1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Ron, and I'm thinking that what holds back regular repairs 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: from becoming good ones is the parts being used. The 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. The valve stem blew out of the fire, 4 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: shot across the shop and the car got a flat 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: sitting there. Welcome to the radio home of Ron and 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Anian the Car Doctor, since this is where car owners 7 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 8 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 9 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: the phone and call in the garage orders are open, 10 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: but I am here to take your calls at eight 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: five five and now he running. Hey, come on an 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: so now the car Doctor here eight five five five 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. I'll say it again, A 14 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: five five five six zero nine nine zero zero A 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: Car Doctor hotline seven. 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That's what this radio show has been and 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: is about for so many years. A couple of things, 27 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: Car Doctor Show dot com has podcasts Tune in my 28 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: Heart and iTunes dot com. All links found. There also 29 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: places to get podcasts and subscribe on various devices. Also, 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: I'm told we're out on Google Play and you can 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: take us from that point on. And I'm welcome to October. 32 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: By the way, this is the beginning of the Fall 33 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: in my Mind fall season. And um, just a quick 34 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: point that if you were suffering from a P zero one, 35 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: which I'm sure you're all, oh my god, I've got zero, 36 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: But if you've got a P zero one eight and 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: you had it in julaw I and if you know 38 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: what that is, a P zero one twenty Actually should 39 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: I tell you what that is? Yeah, a P zero 40 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 1: fault code. If you got that in July, the check 41 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: engine light was on in the mechanic cleared it and 42 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: he said, I don't want to worry about that, and 43 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: now you're gonna have to because it's engine temperature below 44 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: minimum spec where the engine is not warming up fast 45 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: enough Scenaty're gonna find out about it. Oh again another 46 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: two weeks, depending upon what part of the country you're in, 47 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: that you'll be the person with that thermostat that's marginal, 48 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: and that's usually what that is. That's that's the P 49 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: zero one is the marginal thermostat. That's at a calibration five, six, ten, 50 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: twelve degrees something like that, and it's just enough to 51 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: put the car on the fuzzy bridges edge of not 52 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: having correct temperature in a fast enough period of time. 53 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: You got away with it in the summer, you're not 54 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: gonna get away with it in the coming months. So 55 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: I plan to get that car in and if you 56 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: haven't had a thermostat replaced in the past four or 57 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: five years, now maybe a good time to do it. Anyway, 58 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: it's just good normal maintenance with some cool and getting 59 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: the car service because no, they don't run forever unless 60 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: you take care of them. Bottom line, I want to 61 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about, well I should talk about 62 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: I have to do this. I'm sorry, I have to 63 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: do this, Tony. The Giants played bad last week. I 64 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: have to do this, Folks, can you can you humor 65 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: me a little bit? Can you let me do this? Yeah? Well, 66 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: I just I just want to let you know that. 67 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: You see, we've noticed that this football season, every time 68 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: I talked bad about the Giants, they won. And then 69 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: last week I didn't talk bad about the Giants and 70 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: they lost. So I think Tony's Tony's pressuring me now 71 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: he thinks there's a connection here because Tony and Tom 72 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: Bleed giants blue, all right, So I think the Giants 73 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: really have their work cut out for him. On Monday 74 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: night football for all our listeners up in Minnesota, let's 75 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: go Vikings and um, let's see the Giants just rise 76 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: to their full potential because I just don't think they 77 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: have the ability to beat the Vikings. What do you 78 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: say to that, I say, cool on you. Just remember 79 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm just making you guys happy by talking bad about 80 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: the Giants. Well, yes you should, because you didn't last 81 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: week and they played great in the first half. They 82 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: came out and it was like who replaced the team? 83 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: It was like a Folders commercial. You know. Listen, I'm 84 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: just doing my part here because I'm I'm a people person. 85 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: I just want to keep my guys happy, So let's 86 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: see what they do. Of course, you know what, look 87 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: at it this way. At least you guys aren't the Jets, right. 88 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: All I kept thinking was last week's game. Ryan Fitzpatrick, 89 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: he should have signed that three year deal for for 90 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: twenty million dollars because the one year, thirteen million dollar 91 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: deal didn't seem like it would made any sense to me. 92 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: You know, my son is both the Jets and a 93 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: Mets fan. He twe he uh put on Facebook last week. 94 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: He says, you know, the Mets scored more touchdowns in 95 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: the Jets, and they weren't playing football this week. You know, 96 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: so at least you guys aren't the Jets. We'll see 97 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: what they do tomorrow. Anyway, this is the car Doctor. 98 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: This is a show about order repair. I had to 99 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: do that. I'm sorry. I just Tony was pressuring me. 100 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: He says, you gotta talk bad about the Giants this 101 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: week because we have to win Monday night. Okay, tone, 102 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: I gave it to Whammy. Let's see if it works. 103 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about and you know 104 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: I do this thing, the repair of the week. I 105 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: want to talk to you about the dumb repair of 106 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: the week. All right, and this might become a new 107 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: feature too. We'll see how this feels when I do it. 108 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: Take your finger, Take any finger, not that one, Tony, 109 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: Take any finger, okay, And on your other hand, take 110 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: your thumb and your index finger, and put your one 111 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: finger into your folded over thumb and forefinger just like that. Okay. 112 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: Imagine your pointed finger is the A B S sensor 113 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: and the whole that the finger is stuck into is 114 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: the wheel bearing. Now you'll understand this. Oh, seven Nissan 115 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: Morano that I'm gonna tell you about two thousand seven 116 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: Nissan Morano came into the shop at our automotive. The 117 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: wheel bearing was loose. It was a bad bearing, and 118 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: as a result of the bearing being bad, it had 119 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: kicked the corner of the A B S sensor and 120 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: damaged it. But the really dumb part about this vehicle 121 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: and the way they assembled it is and it's a 122 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: good thing the sensor was was damaged. But there's no 123 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: way to pull the censor. There's no way to get 124 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: the bearing out without pulling the sensor out. So now 125 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: I want you to with your thumb and with your 126 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: finger into your thumb and your forefinger. Now try pulling 127 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: your hand away laterally against your finger. You can't your 128 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: fingers locked in the hole, and that's what the wheel 129 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: bearing became. In order to get the wheel bearing out, 130 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: you have to pull it away in such a way 131 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: that you and you can't tilt it because the A 132 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: B S sensors in the way. So you've got two choices. 133 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: You're either gonna unbolt the A B S sensor and 134 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: slide it out, or you're gonna do what we did 135 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: because this mornal, like a lot of moranals, the sensor 136 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: was jammed in there. It had rusted in and it 137 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: wasn't able to easily be removed. And we see this 138 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: a lot, and what we've learned to do is we 139 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: take there's an inner cage on the wheel bearing that 140 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: we will knock off, will air chisel it off, separate 141 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: the cage from the bearing, pull the bearing out, take 142 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: the cage off, leave the censor alone. If the sensor 143 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: is intact, sometimes we find them damage because of their 144 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: close proximity to it. And then when we reassemble the 145 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: new sensor, we just notch the cage a little bit 146 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: and it just gets a little click and a tick 147 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: under and it goes right in. But how dumb is that? 148 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: And and that's that's sort of the point of this 149 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: opening conversation that I wonder if the engineers ever sit there, 150 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: because I've come to the conclusion that they don't. They 151 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: don't sit there and reassemble these things. I don't think 152 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: they have the capacity to. I don't know if they 153 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: care to. And I understand that accountants really run car companies, 154 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: and I get it. That's all about money and making 155 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: money and not spending money in terms of how they're 156 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: gonna put the car together. And but you gotta think 157 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: about taking it apart. Guys, come on, and wouldn't it 158 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: be nice if we if we learned to maybe lubricate 159 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: the whole that the ABS speed sensor or any sensor 160 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: was sitting in, and start to think about disassembly as 161 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: much as assembly. I had a two thousand two, Okay, 162 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: granted it's fourteen years old. I had a two thousand 163 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: to focus this week that needed to power steering line. 164 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: Now this is another dumb repair. The power of steering 165 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: line in the so too, focus comes up out of 166 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: the pump, goes across the top of the engine, right 167 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: over the top of the exhaust manifold. So in your 168 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: mind you would think, hey, top of the exhaust manifold, 169 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: it's always gonna be warm. How could it possibly rust 170 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: the original line? And well, the problem is the reason 171 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: that rusts is because it's also the exhaust manifold is here. 172 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: The tube goes over the top of it. The exhaust 173 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: manifold and the tube are right behind the radiator, so 174 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: all the road, salt, spray, moisture, everything gets blown onto 175 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: the line as well as the manifold. That's why the 176 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: heat shields were gone. They had rusted away and disappeared 177 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: over time. But the dumb repair part here is that 178 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: the original line was painted steel. The replacement line was 179 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: galvanized so it would resist corrosion. Now, not only was 180 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: it a dumb repair, but it was a dumb replacement part. 181 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: Why are we going to spend the money to come 182 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: up with a galvanized pipe on a car that's fourteen 183 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: years old. The car is not gonna last fourteen years. 184 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: It's a miracle that it got this far, and now 185 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna make a part last another five years? Like 186 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: for what? What's the reasoning here? But what really got 187 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: me perturbed was they used a steel bolt into the 188 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: aluminum head to hold the line in place so it 189 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: doesn't rest against the exhaust manifold and melt the rubber 190 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: hose and of course the steel line. The steel bolt 191 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: breaks off in the aluminum head, and we had to 192 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: come up with alternative ways of securing the line so 193 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: that it wouldn't fall apart. The dumb repair of the week. 194 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: So I think we're gonna have to do that. We'll 195 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: make this a regular feature. I'm gonna have to come 196 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: up with some more. It's not gonna be hard. Some 197 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: of the things that are really stupid and the shop 198 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 1: in terms of what they want us to fix and 199 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: how they want us to fix it, because the engineers 200 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: aren't thinking. But um, just if you're driving a Morano, 201 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: you're doing a wheel bearing. Think about that. Take a 202 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: look at that, my brothers and the repair shops. Take 203 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: a look at how the censer goes into the bearing hub. 204 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: Think about taking it apart like that. It might save 205 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: you some trouble and aggravation along the way. Eight five 206 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. I'll anading the car doctor. 207 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna kick the garage doors wide open when every turn, 208 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: don't go away Yeah, welcome backing the card doctor. Five 209 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. By the way, to continue 210 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 1: that conversation before the pause, we're talking about the P 211 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: zero and U engine temperature below spec. Make sure when 212 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: you do pick a thermostat that you get a good one. 213 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: And by that I mean, you know, use the thermostat 214 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: we're using in the shop every day, a STAND superstat Uh. 215 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: You know when I tell you that their heat motor, 216 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: which is the piece that controls how that valve opens, 217 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: how that thermostat opens. When I tell you that that's 218 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: O E level and made in USA and all that, Yeah, 219 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: there's nothing better than that. Um, we still use STAND 220 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: each and every day in the shop. More information at 221 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,479 Speaker 1: stand dot com. Let's get out and talk to Cathy Lacrosse, Wisconsin. 222 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: Two thousand two Chevy Tracker and some questions about the engine. Cathy, 223 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car Doctor. How can I help Yes, ma'am, 224 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: how can I help you? I bought two Chevy Tracker 225 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: earlier this year. I paid a little bit more for it, 226 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: and um, eventually it started smoking a lot and it 227 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: burns a lot of oil. And when I say smoke, 228 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: I mean when I started there's a big puff of 229 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: smoke like a poof And yes, and it smokes as 230 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: I drive it also, And UM, I have had it 231 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: uh to different places, and I've had estimates to get 232 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: a new engine in it, and the um the new 233 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: well I used engine that I could get at a 234 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: Junkyard would be around fifteen hundred dollars maybe a little 235 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: bit more. And I was wondering would it be worth 236 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: it to get another used engine put in there? Or 237 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: how many miles? How many miles around the cars? Uh? 238 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: A hundred and thirty three and almost five hundred all right, 239 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: So it's got a hundred thirty thousand and you paid 240 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: how much for the car? All right? And how long 241 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: have you driven it? I got it earlier this spring, 242 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: all right, So you've got about five months into it, Yes, 243 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: six months into it. So in reality you're at the 244 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: moment where the car ows you nothing, all right, because 245 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: we divide that out by six. Um, you know, would 246 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: would just spend to fifty between two fifty and three 247 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: hundred a month to drive a car. And that's that's 248 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: an average car payment. So let's let's think of it 249 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: like that. We're sort of at break even. And and 250 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: now if you could turn around and sell that car 251 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: to somebody for five dred to a thousand bucks because 252 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: somebody will drive it with oil, you know, burning and 253 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: not not worry about it or be concerned, so you 254 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: can get some of your money back. So let's let's 255 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: just start from that position if we can. All right, 256 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: My concern with a Junkyard engine in a fourteen year 257 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: old car is a couple of different places. Number one, 258 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: is it an exact match? Is it a two thousand 259 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: two Chevy track or engine? Or is it something generational? 260 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: Was it? You know? Sometimes the salvage yards will have 261 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: engines that will they'll pull it out of a two 262 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: thousand or a two thousand one and say this fits 263 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: through two thousand five model year. But you've got to 264 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: change this, this, this, and this, so it's not necessarily 265 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: always a direct it. So first question, is the salvage 266 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: yard salvage yard engine a direct swap? All right? The 267 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: second question is what kind of shape is the rest 268 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: of your truck in? How much it's pretty good shape? 269 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: How much rust is there? You know, the undercarriage, No, there, 270 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: there doesn't seem to be too much rust. Okay, So 271 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: it's a it's a you know I think if I 272 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: always think of engine transplant, it's like a heart transplant. 273 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: So it's it's it's a you know, it's a heart transplant. Case, 274 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: it's it makes a good cause, it's not overweight, it's 275 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: it's not um, it's there's no rot uh um. You know, 276 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: there's there's nothing bad about the vehicle itself. And then 277 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: the third question is, let's say you put the engine 278 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: in it? All right, Let's say you know the engine 279 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: sevent and it's five dollars to put it in or 280 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: is that seventeen hundred dollars installed? Um? Well, I can 281 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: get a friend to install it. Okay, So let's and 282 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: it's Allison Miles on the Junkyard engine, all right. Any guarantee, 283 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: I don't think so? Okay, So you know you've got 284 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: to be concerned if you put it in and it smokes, 285 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: because that's also twelve that's also fourteen years old. What's 286 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: the guarantee factor? Do they at least give you a 287 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: thirty day guarantee on it? All right? You know? That's yeah, 288 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, just because listen, everything is as old as 289 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: that car, right, it's still fourteen years old. It's a 290 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: salvage yard car, all right, and then the question becomes 291 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: how long has it been sitting around? But the bigger question, 292 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: the biggest problem I have in this situation is, depending 293 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: upon how long this has been burning oil, you've also 294 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: been burning oil and coding the catalytic converter. So at 295 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: what point have you coded the cat and damaged it? 296 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: How much oil it's going through? You know you're going 297 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: through how much oil a court? And what five miles 298 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: or not that bad? Oh? Yeah, probably that much. And 299 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: how long has this been going on? Uh, shortly after 300 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: I bought it? Okay, so for the past six months. 301 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: So you're driving a fourteen year old vehicle for the 302 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: past six months with a hundred thirty thousand miles on 303 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: pumping a quarter oil through the exhaust system. Um, and 304 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: you know that's that's got to be a concern for 305 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: the catalytic converter in terms of age and longevity. And 306 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: if you get the the dreaded P zero four twenty, 307 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: which is a catalytic converter efficiency code, all of a 308 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: sudden you're gonna start putting another fIF two thousand dollars 309 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: in the car. Let me ask you the question this way, 310 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: can you afford to go buy another car. Probably then 311 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: why don't you? Um, and I'm and I'm asking that 312 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: question for an answer that you know, No, I love 313 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: this car, this car floats my boat. Or no, I 314 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: can't afford economically to go out and replace this vehicle 315 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: right now? Well I could replace it, yes, okay, and 316 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: I would get it used another use car. You know, 317 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: I couldn't afford an right, but you know another used car? 318 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: And do you have a price range? I mean maybe 319 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: that's part of this answer to if if if, because 320 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: here's my here's my concern. If you put this Junkyard 321 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: engine in or even if you put a new engine 322 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: into this fourteen year old car, two months later the 323 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: transmission failed, what would you do? What would you do? 324 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: Would you fix it? Right? Would you fix it? And 325 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: and yeah? Right? You know this is like listen, listen kid, ooh, 326 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: this is like you and me standing at the counter 327 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: at the shop. I have this conversation four times a week, 328 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: it seems like sometimes this feels like four times a day. 329 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: People want me to do this type of work all 330 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: the time. And my first question is, if the transmission fails, 331 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: would you put a trans in it? The person that 332 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: says yes, I fixed that car. The person that says no, 333 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: I talk him out of it because I don't think 334 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: it's justifiable, because I don't think it's a practical application 335 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: in a way to spend money. You're already right now, 336 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: you're in a pretty good spot. Okay, You're, you're, you're, you're, 337 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: you're in a pretty good spot. You've you've got a 338 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: car that you know, you kind of broke even all right, 339 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: You've you could probably you could probably drive this car 340 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: another month and spend another you know, twenty bucks on 341 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: four quartz of oil, all right, and and get another 342 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: month out of this car, or maybe drive it through 343 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: the winter and just till it till it drops. But 344 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: you know, to start spending sevent hundred or whatever it's 345 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: gonna become. And then two months later, three months later, 346 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: the trans fails, and how's the rest of the car. 347 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you're gonna have four or five 348 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in this seventeen hundred dollar car that's six 349 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: months old. You went from a good position to a 350 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: bad one. And I think it's not a smart money 351 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: move in this case, especially something at this age. Whatever 352 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: you call Kathy, you know, whatever you decide I'm here 353 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: for you. Let me know I'm run any of the 354 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. I'm back right after this. Just take this 355 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: welcome back. I'm naming the car Doctor eight five five 356 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: five six zero nine nine zero zero. The phone number 357 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: eight five five five zero nine zero seven. Give us 358 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: a call, leave a message. We're live on the radio 359 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: network Saturday afternoons two to four pm Eastern time. But 360 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: if you call the aforementioned eight five five five zero 361 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: nine zero zero phone number, leave a message, we will 362 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: call you back and get you in the lineup for 363 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: the following week. As we do this live show each 364 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: and every Saturday and have I don't know six years. 365 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: I think I'm mazing by the minute. Well, of course 366 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: you're razing by the minute, Ron, what's wrong with you? Anyway, 367 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: Let's get back to the phones. Let's go over and 368 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: talk to Roll, and let's see what's going on in Chicago. Way, Roll, 369 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: welcome to the Car Doctor. How can I help? Want 370 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: to thank you for taking call. You're welcome, sir. What's 371 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: going on? I have an O nine cataly cts, it's 372 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: the l Y seven, and I my my own oil 373 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: changes since I bought the car new right and it's 374 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: only got twenty miles. I started noticing that as of lately, 375 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: every time I change the oil, that first startup after 376 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: the oil change, um, I might get like a five 377 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: second um where it sounds like there's a lift or not, 378 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: and then it'll go away once the oil goes through. 379 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: Is there any way to prime the oil pump properly 380 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: because I'm not damage the filter and that that engine 381 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: this is the is this the filter that's upside down? Yes? Right, 382 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: this doesn't have the the filter and then I'm trying 383 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 1: to remember the three sixtridge filter on. Yeah, right right 384 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: right right right, yeah, um now, and I mean, yeah, 385 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: I guess probably the easiest thing to do if there's 386 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: a way to disable the fuel pump, but to crawl 387 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: under the car unplugged the pump or find the fuel 388 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: pump fuse and um, just to get at the crank over. 389 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: You know, seems like a lot of trouble, more trouble 390 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: than it's worth. And how many faults old your cause 391 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: and other things like that. You know, I would take 392 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: it as that's not necessarily the biggest concern I have, 393 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: simply because if you're changing the oil and here's here's 394 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: the argument for making regular oil changes and not doing 395 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: it on a manufacturer's recommendation. Let me let me say 396 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: it like this. I'm trying to learn to talk in 397 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: simple English. You know, if you change the old manufacturers recommendation, 398 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: it's probably every eight to ten thousand miles. Would you 399 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: agree with me, you've probably taken the oil to the 400 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: ragged edge? No? Not, no, not at all. Go ahead, 401 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: go ahead, you change. I do every two times a 402 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: year because I don't put any many miles on the car, right, 403 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: But the person that changes at every eight to ten 404 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: thousand miles has taken that oil to the edge, to 405 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: the to the you know, in my right, they've they've, 406 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: in my opinion, they've been use that oil. They've abused 407 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: that engine. And you know, so, now imagine you're doing 408 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: that oil change at the ten thousand mile mark, and 409 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: you've got that ticky valve because you're running it dry 410 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: until the filter primes and fills it up. So in 411 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: that engine, until the fresh oil comes up through the 412 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: pump and the pickup tube, you've got that ten thousand 413 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: mile oil laying on the lifters and the rollers and 414 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: all the other components. So what sort of protection is 415 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: there on that on that engine startup, not much, whereas 416 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: if you're changing the ORL every five thousand miles, that 417 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: oil still has some chemical property and ability to protect 418 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: that engine. I think you're doing I think you're doing 419 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: less damage. You're actually doing it the right way. Unfortunately, 420 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: now I'm gonna get a ton of email from people 421 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,239 Speaker 1: telling me I'm an idiot, and uh, you know what 422 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing is just supporting more frequent oil changes because 423 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna retire off of that. Trust me, it's got 424 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. No, I won't retire off 425 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: oil changes. One of the concerns, Well, let me just 426 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: finish this thought. One of the concerns I've got that 427 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: I let you get a copy of because you should 428 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: be aware of this. There's a technical document out there 429 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: from GM that talks about engine ticking noise on cold startup. 430 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: Have you seen that at all? Of you had chance 431 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: to look at this? And that's that's the one. That's 432 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: the one that, for everyone else's benefit, talks about the 433 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: oil pump pickup to the O ring collapses when it's 434 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: called it gets compressed and it draws there and you 435 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: know that's a problem as well. I don't think that's 436 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: your case. I think what you've got is a normal condition, 437 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: but just something as this vehicle ages to be aware of. 438 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: Now you had a comment, go ahead, how often should 439 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: I also change the bypass sell because that one's fixed 440 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: on it the top cap. I don't know that they 441 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: really call for the bypass valve to be changed on 442 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: a regular basis. That's the one that's the one inside 443 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: the housing, correct. Yeah, I haven't seen that come up 444 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: as a document to to do that. You know, you 445 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: could make the case. You know, my old rule of 446 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: thumb I think still applies in a lot of cases. 447 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: But you know, listen, I started this radio show twenty 448 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: six years ago. I've been repairing cars forty three. A 449 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,239 Speaker 1: lot of the things I came to I came to 450 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: town with have changed over the years. I've never really 451 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: thought about it, to be honest with you, but I 452 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: guess after a hundred thousand miles, you probably owe the 453 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: car one of everything, and you know, if it makes 454 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: you feel better, yeah, go ahead, change it. I can't 455 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: argue the point. However, I could argue the point against 456 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: changing and owe part out for a replacement part by 457 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: this connotation. So I've started to notice, and I've I've 458 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: been thinking this for the past ten or twelve years, 459 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: that a lot of replacement parts, regardless of where they 460 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: come from, you know, oe dealer level or aftermarket stuff, 461 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: aren't as good as the original pieces on the car. 462 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: And I think somewhere back in the back alleys, shall 463 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: we say where manufactured is live? I think there's a 464 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: stockpile of here's the first rate parts we're putting on 465 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: the car coming off the assembly line. We have to 466 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: warranty for five years and fifty thousand miles, and here's 467 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: the pile of parts that, well, you know, they've got 468 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: ten percent defect in them, and they're not as good, 469 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: but they're still good, and we can't afford to throw 470 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: them out because the bean counters are making us keep 471 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: track of the pennies. And I think a lot of 472 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: that secondary pile makes its way out into the aftermarket 473 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: and the dealer shelves. Whether we realize it or not, 474 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: whether we want to accept it or not, I think 475 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: that's the course. I think that's the course and cost 476 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: of doing business. So sometimes I get nervous throwing out 477 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: that owe part until I know it's really bad, because 478 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: I may never get another one engineered to that level again. 479 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: So that's something to think about too. I would tell you, 480 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: I would tell you to stay on top of your 481 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: royal changes, keep doing what you're doing, and that cars 482 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: an No. Nine probably more than anything else. If you 483 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: have you ever had it back to the dealer or 484 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: to a repair shop to have software flashes done, no, 485 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: then you may want to consider doing that because I 486 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: can almost guarantee you there's more than a few for 487 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: a seven year old car and soft so okay, Well, 488 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: recalls are one thing. Recalls or when Microsoft tells us 489 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: the CD ROM changer is bad and we have to 490 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: replace it, but a software update is where they tell 491 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: us the operating system for that CD ROM changer also 492 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: has to be replaced, so we update the software. Or 493 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: when the software that operates the main motherboard, which has 494 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: nothing to do with the CD ROM changer, is bad 495 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: and we want to replace that as well. Same thing 496 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: with a car. You know, it's it's it's gotten to 497 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: the point now where And I started my radio career 498 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: twenty five years ago predicting this fifty I'm sorry twenty 499 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: five years ago, and then fifteen years ago I said 500 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: we were starting to do it each and every car 501 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: that rolls through the shop. If the car comes in 502 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: and it's got a check engine light on, or it's 503 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: in for a seasonal checklist or something like that, I 504 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: break out the scan tool, I plug it in or 505 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: I connect wirelessly with the new launches of what we've 506 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: been doing, and I go through us a system scan 507 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: and I have it. I am budgeting my time and 508 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: I have it going. I scanned every module on the vehicle. 509 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: It's amazing what I'm finding in terms of codes that 510 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: aren't causing faults yet but are about to, or things 511 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: that have happened in the past. It's really like taking 512 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: a physical of the car because the electronics are so 513 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: tight in. So you may want to consider doing that. 514 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: All right, sir, You're very welcome. You take good care 515 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: of Chicago. We should have asked him for some ribs 516 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: or some deep dish pizza. It's pizza, man, isn't Chicago ribs, 517 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: that's Kansas City. Oh well, we're on in Kansas City 518 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: to how nobody from Kansas City ever sent us ribs? 519 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: Because you talked about the Jets, why they like the Jets, No, 520 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, the Jets lost to them. Last week. You know, 521 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: six interceptions by Mr Fitzpatrick. Well, then I think somebody 522 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: should take pity on us and and and send us ribs. 523 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: I used to be married to young lady from Kansas City. No, 524 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. Okay, there's a lot of places 525 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: I could go with that comment, but we're gonna let 526 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: it go. Way to let it go, because this is 527 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: the family. This is family radio, and I love you. Okay. 528 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull over and take a pause. Zero zero 529 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: zero run Nating of the car doctors coming back, don't 530 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 1: go away? Get kids six six? Hey, hey, welcome back. 531 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: Where eating the car? Doctor? Rolling along here? And let's 532 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: get over to do a quick email. This comes to 533 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: us from Mariy. We spoke last week. Yeah, Maria, I 534 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: remember this. Maury wants to know my opinion of a 535 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: couple of things. He wants to know my opinion of 536 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: oil analysis. Is it worth the money to figure out 537 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: the proper oil change innerval? I'll take these one piece 538 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: at a time, Maury, and for everybody else. I think 539 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: oil oil analysis as its place where I think it 540 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: has its place. Um, maybe I would do oil analysis 541 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: on a new car six months in or six months 542 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: before the warranty expires, to see do I have any 543 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: internal engine issues going on? Is it detecting any signs 544 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: of coolant in the oil? Is detecting any signs of 545 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: metal breakdown in the oil? Telling me that that engine 546 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: is gonna suffer some sort of a failure. This way, 547 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: I can make a case for it before that engine 548 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: is out of warranty, or before that vehicle gets more 549 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: than two or or five or ten thousand miles on it, 550 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: if I do it early enough. However the case may 551 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: be with the manufacturers. Accept that as an indication of 552 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: a problem. I don't know, but it gives you a 553 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: case for an argument beyond that. To do an oil analysis, 554 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: as Murray as Morey puts it, to figure out the 555 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: proper oil change, Nival Mari, Are you gonna do a 556 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: consistent oil change? I mean, are you gonna do consistent 557 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: driving habits? Are you? Are you you know? Fixed robotic 558 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: in in in type of driving style that you do 559 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: four thousand miles, equal amount of warm up, equal amount 560 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: of stop and go, equal amount of cruising time each 561 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: and every cycle, each and every drain interval. No. So 562 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: to use an oil analysis as far as determining oil 563 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: change interval, I don't think you could do it at 564 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: a reasonable cost without driving yourself insane. As a matter 565 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: of fact, the discrepancy or the the way that oil changes, 566 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: well the way the driving habits vary. It's one of 567 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: the reasons why I don't believe in manufacturers recommendations. Case 568 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: in point, I'll say this here on radio so everybody 569 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: knows I said it. You could get in a car 570 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: from New York City, the city where the giants are 571 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 1: gonna lose Monday night, thanks Tony, and drive from New 572 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: York City to California and back at one steady speed, 573 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: at one steady temperature, and probably have to change that 574 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: oil in the average car every six to eight thousand 575 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: miles because the oil isn't going to break down. The 576 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: oil isn't going to have an issue. It has no 577 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: cool down, it has no idle time. It's just one 578 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: steady state. But the fact is, most of you know, 579 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,719 Speaker 1: not many of you drive like that. It's all stopped 580 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: and go, it's all cooled down, it's warm up, it's 581 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: idle time. It's traffic, it's harsh acceleration, it's it's it's 582 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: it's light acceleration. So therefore, you know, when I sit 583 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: here and I talked to you about that three to 584 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: four month oil change innival three to four thousand miles 585 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: un conventional longer on synthetic, I'm basing it on severe service. 586 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm also basing that oil drain interval on if you 587 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: get a qualified mechanic and not somebody that was flipping 588 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: Hamburgers last week working at a well, let's say, an 589 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: oil change place this week, trying to sell you four 590 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: air filters, a cabin filter and valves them capture your 591 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: tires to make us commissi and check. If you get 592 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: a real mechanic under the hood, then yeah, you know 593 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: what that kind of pays for itself, because that's keeping 594 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: you safe more. He also wants to know about the 595 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: valve system on Honda and how the oil affects that, 596 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: the way that Honda works. And it's funny, I've got 597 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: the article here. I was reading it again from the 598 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: folks at ams Oil. The folks at Amazoil wrote this 599 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: article about variable valve timing. We should see if we 600 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: get this up on Facebook somehow, and they talk about 601 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: variable valve timing for Maury and everybody else what variable 602 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: valve timing is. Think of the bicycle sprockets. You've got 603 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: a little sprocket in a big sprocket. If you want 604 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: to advance the bigger sprocket, which is this case would 605 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: be the camshaft and make it out of sync with 606 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: the rear from where the original marks were, maybe advance 607 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: at two teeth. That's variable valve timing. You're gonna advance 608 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: the sprocket and change the way the timing way it 609 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: change the way the valves open in relation to the pistons. 610 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: That's going to affect engine performance, all right. The the 611 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: oil does is the oil is the device. It's the 612 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: fluid that hydraulic lee moves and changes the position of 613 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: the camp through a valve system. So the oil has 614 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: to deal with the hydraulic pressure as well as lubrication, 615 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: as well as the temperature extreme as well as you know, 616 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: the list goes on. So it's very important for an 617 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: oil change interval. More also wants to know the expected 618 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: mileage with proper oil maintenance. Well, we're gonna argue about proper, 619 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: but I think that the average car today I've taken 620 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: care of properly with no mechanical defects that the engineers 621 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: left in there to come out at the hundred thousand 622 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: mile mark. I think you can see two hundred fifty 623 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: three thousand miles out of the average engine. I don't 624 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: think that's impossible. But while you're looking for mileage, in 625 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: terms of talking about the oil change, more also consider 626 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: the rest of the car and think about a maintenance 627 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: plan that covers all of it. Look, if the doctor 628 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: tells you to take better care of yourself and stop smoking, 629 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't mean stop smoking, but drink four dr peppers 630 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: and eat seven twinkies a day, all right. He's telling 631 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: you to take better care of your body and look 632 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: at all departments. Same thing with an automobile. Think of 633 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: engine oil changes, think of trans think of tires, think 634 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: of breaks, all the fluids, rubber hoses, et cetera. You 635 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: get it. Okay, So that's um, that's where we'll kind 636 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: of leave that. As far as a proper oil change innival, 637 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: I still stand behind the synthetic oil change every five 638 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: to six thousand miles, conventional every three to four eight, 639 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: five zero nine zero ron nating the car doctor coming 640 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: back to wrap it up right after this welcome back 641 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: eating the our doctor. Let's real quick get over the 642 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: line one talk to Monty and Idaho some questions about 643 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: oil editors. Monty, welcome to the car Doctor. I've got 644 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: about two minutes. Hi, I was wondering about well, A, 645 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: you're three engine and training and rear ends. Um are 646 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: they as good as they? Well? I think it depends 647 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: on what edit is we're talking about. I you know, 648 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: let me let me answer the question this way to 649 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: Monty if I can. You know, for the longest time 650 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: I've been repairing cars. You guys all know that, and 651 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, years and years and years ago, I learned 652 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: the value of a little blue bottle of additive st P. 653 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: And for the long term listeners to the car Doctor. 654 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: Remember I always just to talk about changing. You know, 655 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 1: a good oil change included a bottle of STP. I 656 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: don't do that as much anymore. We don't use st P, 657 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: which stands for scientifically treated petroleum, by the way, in 658 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: case anybody wants to know. But you know, we don't 659 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 1: use it nearly as much as we used to. And 660 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: the reason is the oils of today have just gotten 661 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: that much better, you know, And when we sit down, 662 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, you can sit down, you can go to 663 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: the Penn's Oil website and you can read all about 664 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, Penn's Oil Ultra Platinum and Penz Oil synthetics 665 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: and everything they're talking about out there. All that stuff 666 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: is true. They've really engineered it to such a fine 667 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: level and taking it to such a standard that I 668 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: question the need for editor is particularly when the engine 669 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: is young. I don't know that you need to do that. 670 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 1: If you're using a good quality oil, of course, then 671 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: the oil change interval has to come into the conversation 672 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 1: as well, and how often has the oil been being changed? 673 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 1: And you know that's that's a whole long conversation. Obviously 674 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: we can't get into it now as I hear the music. 675 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: But as far as edits drive train, yeah, I think 676 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: in some cases on on higher mileage vehicles and um, 677 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: I think it has its place, but you have to 678 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: give me some specifics as far as which editors we're 679 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: talking about, Monty, I'm sorry, the clock is gonna take 680 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 1: me too. Mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.