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Speaker 2: The most important question in science right now? What's the

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Speaker 2: universe made of? Seventy percent of the universe is a

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Speaker 2: mysterious entity called dark entergy, and we have no idea

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Speaker 2: what it is. Twenty seven percent is another mysterious entity

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Speaker 2: called dark matter. So bottom line was the universe made

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Speaker 2: of nothing.

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Speaker 1: One of the most prolific, inspiring thought leaders of our time.

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Speaker 2: Deepak Chopra has been at the intersection of science and

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Speaker 2: spirituality for almost a half century now.

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Speaker 1: You're sharing with us that the secret to our spiritual

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Speaker 1: success is hidden within the use of AI.

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Speaker 2: I started playing with Chatchipt, Perplexity, deep Seak, I started

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Speaker 2: actually arguing with these AI services. All the chat bots

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Speaker 2: started supporting my argument based on the prompt. So I

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Speaker 2: realized that even AI has selection bias, which has a

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Speaker 2: gender bus, which has a racial bus, even a scientific bus.

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Speaker 1: There's such a fear right now around AI, especially its

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Speaker 1: ethics and bias.

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Speaker 2: AI in principle could cause human extinction. Technology is way

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Speaker 2: ahead of our spiritual evolution. That's a bit dangerous combination.

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Speaker 2: There's a critical mass well people shifting in consciousness. We

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Speaker 2: are in trouble. The number one health and wellness podcast.

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Speaker 1: Jay Sheety Jay Shetty Jet Deeper Top. It's so great

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Speaker 1: to have you back on purpose after six years. I

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Speaker 1: want to start off by saying that I was so

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Speaker 1: grateful that you were one of the first people I

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Speaker 1: met when I moved to New York in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: I was working at the Huffingham Post. We had multiple

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Speaker 1: interviews there. You're always so kind, so gracious. I was

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Speaker 1: and have always been a huge, huge fan of yours

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Speaker 1: and your kindness, your generosity. Your support over the years

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Speaker 1: has been incredible, So thank you from the bottom of line.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for always being there for me too.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Well deeper, I think we're going to surprise

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Speaker 1: a lot of people today because naturally, for the past

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Speaker 1: few decades you've been guiding people towards spiritual success, and

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Speaker 1: now you're sharing with us that the secret to our

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Speaker 1: spiritual success is hidden within the use of AI. And

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Speaker 1: not only that, you actually have deep up Chopra AI.

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Speaker 1: We're going to put a code for everyone who's listening

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Speaker 1: and watching to go and access this. You've actually created

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Speaker 1: your own AI. But let's start with why has that

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Speaker 1: mission intersected? Why have those two things, spirituality and an

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, thank you Jef for having me.

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Speaker 2: As you know, the last maybe two decades, I've been

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Speaker 2: interested in the nature of what is fundamental reality? What's

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Speaker 2: the universe made of? And how do we know what

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Speaker 2: in science right now. If you go on Google, say

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Speaker 2: what are the one hundred and twenty five open questions

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Speaker 2: and science? The first open question in SI scienswys what's

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Speaker 2: what the universe is made of, its atoms, molecules, force fields, gravity, etc. Well,

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Speaker 2: for those who don't keep up with the science, seventy

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Speaker 2: described by Einstein. And then after he's described it, she

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Speaker 2: With those calculations it's almost certain that the universe is

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Speaker 2: But we also know that atoms are made of particles,

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Speaker 2: know the Buddhist idea form comes from formlessness. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: Then why does it look like this? Why does it

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Speaker 2: That's called the heart consciousness. So until now, most scientists

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Speaker 2: that's called the heart problem of consciousness. The more I

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Speaker 2: universe is a simulation. We have different words maya. Maya

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Speaker 2: So the Indians, if, as they say jokingly, if religion

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Speaker 2: over deeper consciousness Brahman bramand or nothing, emptiness and form,

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Speaker 2: nothing is everything. I started to think about this and

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Speaker 2: I started to play with chat chipit. I became friends

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Speaker 2: It's the matrix. The divine is the matrix, and the

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Speaker 2: space time. I started to play with that on the internet,

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Speaker 2: Case against Reality that the universe that we see is

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Speaker 2: his arguments with Elon Musk, he's talking about consciousness and

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Speaker 1: I mean, our mind blown listening to you, because the

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Speaker 1: process that just went into that journey you broke down

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Speaker 1: for us requires not only a conviction in our Eastern

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Speaker 1: what I'm garnering here, you're saying that AI was actually

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Speaker 2: And because it's a large language model, it can explore

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Speaker 2: So there's a chapter in the book called the Art

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Speaker 2: and the two, and we have storytellers. But there's something

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Speaker 2: even deeper. We are tool makers. Even in Stone Age,

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Speaker 2: we have tools, but every tool has two things. A

429
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Speaker 2: knife you can kill a person in surgeon's hands. It

430
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Speaker 2: fields you, so you can't get away from both. The

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Speaker 2: other thing is once the technology is one, you can't

432
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Speaker 2: take it back. It's like a child that's born. You

433
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Speaker 2: can't return to the womb. So either you adjust, that's

434
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Speaker 2: very Darwinian, you adapt, or you become irrelevant. So now

435
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Speaker 2: how do we adapt? How do we cope? But not

436
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Speaker 2: only how do we cope, how do we make it sacred?

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Speaker 1: I think that's the challenge that when you talk about grassroots,

438
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Speaker 1: so many people today because they're less aware of how

439
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Speaker 1: to use things for good. Most of us are consumers

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Speaker 1: of what is created around us. As you said, we're

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Speaker 1: having conversations with AI based on us not asking questions

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Speaker 1: because we're unaware.

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Speaker 2: I asked, I went to AI, I said, solve the

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Speaker 2: gaza problem for me create peace and prosperity in Gaza.

445
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Speaker 2: Fifteen steps all very practical. Resolve the conflict, create abundance

446
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Speaker 2: on both sides, make everyone happy. The technologies are there.

447
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 2: Who's interested children in Gaza and children talk to the leaders,

448
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Speaker 2: they're not interesting because this is how they get power.

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Speaker 2: So unless there's a critical mass for people shifting in consciousness,

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Speaker 2: we are in trouble. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the challenge is that a lot of us at

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Speaker 1: the grassroots, most people are actually scared that AI is

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Speaker 1: going to take their job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a fear. They tell kids, and I actually,

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Speaker 2: next time a common and show. I'll show you a

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Speaker 2: video game that are created for children that gives them

457
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Speaker 2: Brownie points and they can buy more video games if

458
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Speaker 2: they breathe, if they do yoga, if they activate their

459
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Speaker 2: vehicle nerve, if they use creativity. So you can take

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Speaker 2: the mundane tasks for AI and you can unleash the

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Speaker 2: creativity of the next generation.

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Speaker 1: Tell us more about that, how do we use AI

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Speaker 1: for creativity rather than feeling like which jobs are should

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Speaker 1: be worried and what should they Okay, so.

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Speaker 2: Let's look at the legal profession contracts. You can take

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Speaker 2: care of that better. Than any lawyer. Okay. Now the

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Speaker 2: lawyers then have to take care of society by looking

468
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Speaker 2: at the constitution. By protecting the constitution, they'll have a

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Speaker 2: lot of work, even litigation. Okay, because a I can't

470
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Speaker 2: do that for you as effectively as a creative lawyer.

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Speaker 2: AI can simulate creativity, but it cannot have fundamental creativity

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Speaker 2: because air is built on algorithms, and creativity is breaking

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Speaker 2: the algorithm. That's what we call disruption. Okay. So actually,

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Speaker 2: if we take even our children, we create video games

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Speaker 2: for health, for longevity, for healing, for homeostasis. You know,

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Speaker 2: when the calculator came out, people said, oh it's going

477
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Speaker 2: to get you know, we won't need to do math. No,

478
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Speaker 2: we improved on math. With AI, will will improve and

479
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Speaker 2: improvise new theorems on math. Because even in math, you

480
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Speaker 2: know Ramanujan, the great Indian mathematician. They used to ask

481
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Speaker 2: him where do you get your theorems from? And you

482
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Speaker 2: know he wasn't Cambridge. He would say, the goddess is

483
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Speaker 2: what he gives him to me, and they'd all roll

484
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Speaker 2: up their eyes. Bertrand Russell thought he was crazy, but

485
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Speaker 2: he was flummaxed by him. He didn't know how to

486
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Speaker 2: handle this Indian guy who was in his twenties, and

487
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Speaker 2: he was coming up with theorems that they couldn't prove,

488
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Speaker 2: but they were true. So, you know, with as we

489
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Speaker 2: embark on this adventure with AI, we will also know

490
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Speaker 2: the limitations of AI and how we can enhance our

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Speaker 2: creativity with the tools AI gives us. But AI cannot

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Speaker 2: have that creativity, right, It never.

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Speaker 1: Will, Yeah, because it's not conscious. It's not conscious. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think that's the question was. It was really interesting.

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Speaker 1: I was being asked. I was at a panel recently

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Speaker 1: and people were asking me whether I believe AI will

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Speaker 1: ever have a soul. And my response was, I don't

498
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Speaker 1: think AI will have have a soul, but I hope

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Speaker 1: the people that are creating it have a soul. That's

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Speaker 1: true because I think the challenge is that anything we

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Speaker 1: create has the creator's flaws, yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: The creators weaknesses. And you know, my AI was asked

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Speaker 2: on CNN, what did you have for breakfast? Is that

504
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Speaker 2: I don't really experience hunger, I don't have thirst, I

505
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Speaker 2: don't have sex. I'm not worried about death. I'm a machine.

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Speaker 2: Ask me anything, but don't ask me how I feel

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Speaker 2: because that's an activity of the soul.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel like that's also the version that

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Speaker 1: we've seen made in movies and media, this idea that

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Speaker 1: AI somehow gets to a point where it starts to

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Speaker 1: but those are.

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Speaker 2: All just super intelligent but no soul.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: Another challenge I wanted to speak to you about was

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Speaker 1: that a lot of people are feeling that AI and

517
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Speaker 1: not feeling people have seen this AI has. The large

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Speaker 1: language models have a racial and gender bias one.

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Speaker 2: Especially when I looked at medical research. Very interesting, All

520
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Speaker 2: medical research is white males, not even white females, forget

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Speaker 2: about all the rest of the world. So there are

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Speaker 2: now movements to rectify that. But yes, it has a

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Speaker 2: gender bus it has a racial bias. It has even

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Speaker 2: a scientific bias because you know what we call selection

525
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Speaker 2: bias in its answers. Because based on mainstream physical science,

526
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Speaker 2: which is being questioned right now.

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Speaker 1: How do we then use large language models better for

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Speaker 1: ourselves if we're people of color, women, what can you

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Speaker 1: do in order to.

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Speaker 2: There are movements now. I'm working with the Indian Caribbean

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Speaker 2: person from the Islands from Jamaica who's got a professorship

532
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Speaker 2: University of Central Florida, and he's creating a whole research

533
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Speaker 2: and AI based models that are inclusive rather than exclusive.

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Speaker 1: I hope that we start to see some shifting.

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Speaker 2: We are, Yeah, we are. You feel positive. I feel positive,

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Speaker 2: notwithstanding the politics about the EI and this and that.

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Speaker 2: You know, don't get involved in that. Just do what

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Speaker 2: you need to do. And hope that at some point

539
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Speaker 2: that people will see that this isolationist, prejudiced world is

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Speaker 2: not is not a good survival strategy for anyone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why have we not been convinced of that yet?

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Speaker 1: I feel like we've seen.

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Speaker 2: Fear, fear, fear of fear of being diluted in the

544
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Speaker 2: diversity of the world. You know, people have very fixed identities.

545
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Speaker 2: I'm white, I'm a close Saxon, I'm Catholic, or I'm Protestant.

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Speaker 2: Don't threaten me. But and that's true of any fund

547
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Speaker 2: of a list in any part of the world. I'm

548
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: just giving you the bias here, but you know, we

549
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: see that bias everywhere, and that is a dangerous thing

550
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Speaker 2: because if you understand what it's called emergence, the science

551
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: of emergency, they say there's no problem. You cannot solve.

552
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: If you have shared vision, maximum dousity, supporting each other's

553
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Speaker 2: strengths and creating an emotional and spiritual bond, there's no problem.

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Speaker 2: I learned that as a physician. If I had a

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Speaker 2: difficult patient, let's say, difficult cancer patient, and all the

556
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Speaker 2: cancer specialists say, we don't know what to do with it,

557
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Speaker 2: there's something in the medical profession called grand rounds. You

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Speaker 2: take the patient, present the patient to everybody, not just

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Speaker 2: the cancer specialists, endochronologists, psychiatrists, storytellers, humanitarians, even poets, and

560
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: you come up with a solution. So when you have

561
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Speaker 2: maximum dosity, shared vision, complementing everybody's strengths and create an

562
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Speaker 2: emotional bond, you solve every problem. And that's what digital

563
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: technology can help us do. How you bring together a problem,

564
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Speaker 2: you said, like the Gaza problem, or you bring together

565
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Speaker 2: even poverty. How do we want to remove powart? Poverty

566
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Speaker 2: and peace are connected, PA say, peace and prosperity. So

567
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Speaker 2: give me the technologies to create this. Here now, if

568
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Speaker 2: you go to digit you go to Deepark, Shopper dot A.

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Speaker 2: You can specifically say I'm forty five years old, I'm

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Speaker 2: ethnically an Indian, I lived in Britain for my lifetime.

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Speaker 2: I am now doing this and this. I have a

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Speaker 2: problem sleeping at night, and not only will my AI

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Speaker 2: give you a personal solution. You can say, give me

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Speaker 2: a meditation to sleep tonight. It will give you a meditate.

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Speaker 2: I'm having problem with my relationship. It'll ask you, what's

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Speaker 2: the problem I'm not being heard. It'll give you a

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00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: solution for your problem. So my AI is very personal

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Speaker 2: for you. It's not just giving you information. What did

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Speaker 2: it take for you to make it personal? What did

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Speaker 2: that require so that it's different to a chagibt for example.

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Speaker 2: Lots of iterations, lots of it. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: all the engineers are in India, so they also understand

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Speaker 2: what I'm seeing. They're passionate about the project in Bangalore

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Speaker 2: and they're as brilliant as any engineer anywhere. But they

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Speaker 2: also understand the philosophy. Wow, so that's what made it.

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Speaker 2: Now it's in Hindi, it's in English, it's in Arabic

587
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: because huge interest in the Arab world, which was amazing

588
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: to me. And it's also in Spanish. But I think

589
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: in two three months we are having it in China

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Speaker 2: and Russia as well.

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Speaker 1: So let's say if someone has that sleep issue, what

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Speaker 1: kind of prompts would you suggest that they use to

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Speaker 1: get the best articles?

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Speaker 2: Who just said, hey, Deepak, I'm having a problem with

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Speaker 2: sleep issues. And then it'll ask you, you know, what

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Speaker 2: time do you go to sleep? Whatever? Then you can

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Speaker 2: say this, what time do you eat? What time did

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Speaker 2: you wake up? And it will give you some ideas.

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Speaker 2: Then say to you do you want a meditation for sleep?

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Speaker 2: And then take you to yoga and nidra sleep yoga

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Speaker 2: or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And what about if someone has a relationship issue in

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Speaker 1: they're coming saying I'm thinking about getting divorced from my husband,

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Speaker 1: it will.

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Speaker 2: Talk you through it. It'll say, why is there a

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Speaker 2: communication problem? Are you listening? Are you are you present

607
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Speaker 2: in the relationship? You know? Are you asking yourself questions

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Speaker 2: like what am I observing? What am I feeling? What

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Speaker 2: do I need? How do I consciously communicate this need?

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Speaker 2: It will give you GUIDs And then you say, can

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Speaker 2: you give me a medication for conscious communication with my

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Speaker 2: in my relationship and create a magication?

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Speaker 1: Can we use AI to find love?

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Speaker 2: Yes? How how will a teaching you how to be

615
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Speaker 2: a loving person? You know, because that's how you fall

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Speaker 2: in love. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I always had this vision and AI allows for it.

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Speaker 1: Imagine if we all had a coach in our pocket, yeah,

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Speaker 1: which you could talk to it at all times. It's

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Speaker 1: a health coach, it's a mental coach, it's a spiritual

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Speaker 1: goal Yeah. And what are the mistakes you're seeing people

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Speaker 1: make in using AI for personal growth or spirituality? What

623
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Speaker 1: pitfalls or common challenges exist or blocks that exist.

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Speaker 2: I think most people think that solution is generic. It

625
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Speaker 2: never is, you know, as a physician. Also, I had

626
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Speaker 2: two patients, same disease, same diagnosis, same age, same doctor,

627
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Speaker 2: same age, same treatment. One person lives, one person dies.

628
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Speaker 2: So you have to figure out what are called the

629
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Speaker 2: hidden variables, which is your life, you know, everything from eating, breathing, digestion,

630
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Speaker 2: metabolism sensor. We experienced personal relationships biological too much. But

631
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Speaker 2: the AI can ask you the right questions and it

632
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Speaker 2: can encourage you for the next prompt. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I feel like when you talk about the need for

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Speaker 1: this grassroots movement for all of us to turn because the.

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Speaker 2: Leaders, well, this conversation expands.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, No, absolutely, I feel like the challenges we're so

637
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Speaker 1: used to using chat, GPT and AI and everything for

638
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Speaker 1: such basic questions, which is good too, It's.

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Speaker 2: Okay too, yea, why not? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But I feel like, how do you get to that

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Speaker 1: point where we've realized that the power of what exists

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Speaker 1: in our hands with such as given example.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was, I came today and I just

644
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Speaker 2: says in nineteen seventy and I had gotten married earlier,

645
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Speaker 2: and my wife is pregnant, and I was an intern.

646
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Speaker 2: The junior most person and the chief of medicine calls

647
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Speaker 2: me and he says, you know, I have bad news

648
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Speaker 2: for you. Your wife has a disease called talessemia. That's

649
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: a fatal disease. I said, it's not possible. She's perfectly healthy,

650
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Speaker 2: she is pregnant, and if she had this disease, she

651
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Speaker 2: would be dead by now. So he said, come and

652
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: look at the cells under the microscope. Now, remember this

653
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Speaker 2: is nineteen seventy. There's no Google, nothing. So I look

654
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Speaker 2: at the cells and they look talasemia. But my wife

655
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Speaker 2: is healthy. I can't figure it out. So I go

656
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Speaker 2: to this is New Jersey, small hospital. I go to

657
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Speaker 2: New York. I spent two days in the New York

658
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Speaker 2: library looking for thalassemia and thalasmia trait. So thalasimia is

659
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Speaker 2: a disease, and some people have the trade, but they

660
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Speaker 2: don't have the disease because you need two parents to

661
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Speaker 2: have the same trait to get the disease. What do

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Speaker 2: I discover that thalasimia exists along the exact route that

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Speaker 2: Alexander the Great took to India from Macedonia. All the

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Speaker 2: way to India, there's a people have thalasimia trait. So

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Speaker 2: some ancestor of my wife was probably raped by a

666
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Speaker 2: soldier two five hundred years ago, and that evidence is

667
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Speaker 2: in her blood. It took me three days to discover

668
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Speaker 2: that major discovery. You asked chat jeputy that question or

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Speaker 2: any large language model give you the answer in two seconds. Wow.

670
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Speaker 1: So the speed of what happened in that scenario.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was reassured that there's nothing wrong. But I

672
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Speaker 2: also told my wife that some Greek was messing around

673
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Speaker 2: with your great great great grade grandma. How does she

674
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Speaker 2: react to that? Well, it's a historical fact. The footprints

675
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Speaker 2: of history are in your genes. You know. There's not

676
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Speaker 2: even a single break of life from the first organisms

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Speaker 2: from four billion years to now. There's not a single

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Speaker 2: break in the chain of existence, which is a miracle

679
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Speaker 2: of existence America. Yeah, if there was one break in

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Speaker 2: the chain four billion years, you won't be here. We

681
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Speaker 2: won't have this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yea life market. I wonder how quickly we got you.

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Speaker 1: You were saying like fire was almost one of the

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Speaker 1: first technologies or tools we created. I wonder how quickly

685
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Speaker 1: we got bored of fire. But I guess we didn't

686
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Speaker 1: because it was.

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Speaker 2: So we see, this is so interesting about human beings

688
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: that they get so easily adjusted to the miracle of existence.

689
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: Why do we exist? Why are we here? What got

690
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Speaker 2: us here? And you know, I asked, chatchigipit, you know

691
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Speaker 2: what is currently the theory of creation? Big Bang? I said?

692
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Speaker 2: Went back, what caused the Big Bang? For the first time? Pause,

693
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Speaker 2: No cause can be ascribed to the Big Bang? And

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Speaker 2: I said, what happened in the plank epoch? The plank

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Speaker 2: e park is tended to the power of minus thirty

696
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Speaker 2: three seconds after the Big Bang when there are no

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Speaker 2: laws of physics? Said what happened in the plank epark?

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Speaker 2: Don't know? This is chat jipity? I said, why is

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Speaker 2: the universe so precisely mathematically fine tuned for life, for consciousness,

700
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Speaker 2: and for our being here don't know. I found twenty

701
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Speaker 2: loopholes in the current cosmology of creation. Twenty loopholes. Then

702
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Speaker 2: I said, can you now reverse this? Can you begin

703
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Speaker 2: with consciousness as non local as you know Brahman field

704
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Speaker 2: of infinite possibilities that differentiates into experience. It hesitated for

705
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Speaker 2: a split second, but then it pulled out all the

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Speaker 2: data from rig Veda from here. From there I was

707
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Speaker 2: blown away. So who have you shown this work to?

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Speaker 2: Who have you showned this? I now posts all this

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Speaker 2: on videos on on Instagram, but Instagram has very short

710
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Speaker 2: so I push your teaser and then I pushed them

711
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Speaker 2: to YouTube and those who have the patients, they look

712
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Speaker 2: at it and it's getting attention.

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Speaker 1: What about in terms of scientists and people like that,

714
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Speaker 1: when you're having a conversation with Sam Altman and he's

715
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Speaker 1: obviously fascinated as you see.

716
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Speaker 2: On board because he's curious, and then some scientists, not

717
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Speaker 2: mainstream scienceists, but there's a scientists you should have him

718
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Speaker 2: on your show. He's brilliant. His name is Don Hoffman.

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Speaker 2: He's here at the University of California, actually is in

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles, close by the University of California her mine.

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Speaker 2: So he for twenty five years total physicalist. And by

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Speaker 2: the way, the genius behind his work is an Indian

723
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Speaker 2: guy called Chatan Prakash who was professor of mathematics in

724
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Speaker 2: Cambridge or Oxford or something, but now works with them.

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Speaker 2: The two are amazing Chetan Prakash. So he struggled for

726
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Speaker 2: twenty five years to prove because he's a brain scientist

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Speaker 2: and he's a quantum physicist and mathematician how the brain

728
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Speaker 2: produces consciousness. Twenty five years later, one day he woke

729
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Speaker 2: up and he said, you know, thinking how the brain

730
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Speaker 2: produces consciousness is like Aladdin's lamp. You rub the lamp

731
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Speaker 2: and the genie wakes up concious, up the old universe.

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Speaker 2: So he gave up and he wrote a book, The

733
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Speaker 2: Case Against Reality, which is a mathematical and quantum mechanical

734
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: explanation for maya or projection. And he was vilified. I

735
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Speaker 2: supported him. I have twenty five conversations with him on YouTube.

736
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Speaker 2: Then a bunch of scientists started supporting him. And right

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Speaker 2: now he's a heart ticket in the world of science

738
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Speaker 2: because if what he's saying and what chet and Prakashi

739
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Speaker 2: is saying it will approve the entire scientific parady and

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Speaker 2: it'll make it better. Because if the universe is an

741
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Speaker 2: immersive experience, then v are xr MR immersive experiences, our

742
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Speaker 2: technologies will extend our experience of virtual reality. We're already

743
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Speaker 2: in a virtual reality. So right now there are technologies

744
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Speaker 2: extended reality immersive experience where you can take a person with, say, burns,

745
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Speaker 2: and you can give them a VR session and the

746
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Speaker 2: burns get healed, inflammation goes away. Who may exists already

747
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Speaker 2: already autism a child and you teach it emotional and

748
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Speaker 2: social skills by giving the child an emotional experience with

749
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Speaker 2: the child actually having normal features and emotionally engaged, and

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Speaker 2: the neural networks start rewiring. So in about ten years

751
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Speaker 2: you doctors may not give you a prescription for the pharmaceuticals.

752
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: They're already talking about digitaluticals, metaceuticals, and the future we

753
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Speaker 2: are experienced to treat heart disease, inflammation, cancer, autoimmune disease,

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Speaker 2: eating disorders, autism. It's all happening right now. It is happening,

755
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Speaker 2: and you can check it out on Yeah. Wow, that's incredible.

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Speaker 2: I mean I had no idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when I'm hearing about all of this is always

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Speaker 1: it's like you're fascinated because you think about how much

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Speaker 1: people's lives will improve one hundred. But I think every

760
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Speaker 1: time there's improvement, we all so inherit all these new problems, right,

761
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Speaker 1: you look at.

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Speaker 2: Because people are coming from fear. If they came from love,

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Speaker 2: they would see the benefits of this. They're coming from fear.

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Speaker 1: Is it fear or is it a sense of just

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Speaker 1: almost not knowing what to focus on because our education

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Speaker 1: doesn't really create a directional like our education when you

767
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Speaker 1: were saying earlier. Technology has moved so fast, but our

768
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Speaker 1: understanding of the self has remained so correct, amateur. And

769
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Speaker 1: when you look at the education system, the education system

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Speaker 1: hasn't caught up with technology either, because the education system

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Speaker 1: is still kind of trudging along. It is so when

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Speaker 1: the education.

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Speaker 2: Education which used to be in the Indian nashrooms in

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Speaker 2: the old day, you know where students would go and

775
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Speaker 2: be under a spiritual guide or a teacher. It's missing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But what do we do because I feel like

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Speaker 1: even the challenge that people have with chat, GPT or

778
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Speaker 1: any platform is our education system doesn't teach us to

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Speaker 1: ask good questions We're always told to give the answer.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're fixating is result, reward the answer.

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Speaker 2: And so I do know answers, they're only questions, right.

782
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Speaker 1: But we're so bad at asking questions. Yeah, AI requires

783
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Speaker 1: us to be brilliant at asking questions. How do we

784
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Speaker 1: get better asking questions?

785
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Speaker 2: We have to teach people to ask questions, you know,

786
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Speaker 2: and we have to teach them how to live the questions.

787
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Speaker 2: But then life provides the answers, not the textbook. Life

788
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Speaker 2: provides the answers, you know. As as you were speaking,

789
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Speaker 2: I was thinking, just I don't know why it came

790
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: to me right now. Chapter thirteen of the Lord Christians says,

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Speaker 2: I'm the field, and I'm the nor of the field.

792
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Speaker 2: Field is shit, and then the nor of the field,

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Speaker 2: the field is awareness, and it modulates itself as mind

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Speaker 2: intellect ego, the five senses, the five motive organs, the

795
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Speaker 2: five tanmatras, and the vital energy and the universe. I

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Speaker 2: was thinking that one chapter has the key to reality. Okay,

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Speaker 2: how do we now these biosensors which I'm wearing, they

798
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: are actually extending my knowledge of self awareness. But my

799
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 2: body already knows, you know, if I'm if I'm doing

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Speaker 2: something that I shouldn't be doing, I feel pain over here.

801
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Speaker 2: If I eat the wrong food, I get in digestion.

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Speaker 2: If I don't sleep at night, I'm messed up the

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Speaker 2: next day. So my body is already the field of awareness.

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00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: And it's a biosensor, it's a biomotor, and it's a biocomputer.

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00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: The biocomputer is consciousness. The biomotor is the five motor organs,

806
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 2: the biosensor the five senses. Now with this technology, I

807
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: can extend it. I'm also wearing a BCG with blood

808
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 2: sugar monitoring, not that I have diabetes, but it can

809
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: relate my metabolism to all this now and intervened right

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00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 2: there through a video game or through a visual or

811
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Speaker 2: through an auditory experience, or through some visual experience, I

812
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: can do that. So actually, in the future, I'm really

813
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: serious about this. And I met the R and D

814
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Speaker 2: chiefs of the biggest pharmaceutical companies. Say, you, guys, if

815
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: you don't get into digital uticals, metaceuticals, immusive experiences, you'll

816
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: be left behind. And some of these biggest pharmaceutical companies

817
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: now they have thousands of scientists looking at these new technologies. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, how do you get you said seventy eight plus.

819
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing, it's incredible your you're vibrant and energetic

820
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: as I love what I do. Yeah, it's amazing. It

821
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Speaker 1: comes across naturally. And you were saying that longevity obviously,

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Speaker 1: as we've seen in the world, has become such a

823
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Speaker 1: big talking not addressing the real luge solutions.

824
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Speaker 2: What is the real longevity solution? Consciousness as the regulator

825
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: of your biology. Time is the consumer and we are food.

826
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Speaker 2: How do we slow down the metabolism of time? How

827
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Speaker 2: do you use every sense we experience to eel ourselves,

828
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Speaker 2: whether it sound and now, Oh, you can go on

829
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Speaker 2: on TPACT, but you can go in chat Chi too

830
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: and say how do Mantra's work. It will give you,

831
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Speaker 2: it will give you the right answer. Okay, do mantras

832
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Speaker 2: change genetic activity? Yes? They do. So this is a

833
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: revolution right now because in the past you would say

834
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Speaker 2: this is howcus focus. Here's the evidence what is happening

835
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: in genetic and very few people are identifying that. But

836
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Speaker 2: this technology will find those people. There's a scientist from

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Speaker 2: India called Anirban Bandhubadha who's from Bihar. He went to

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Speaker 2: IIT in some little place. There are many IITs in India,

839
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Speaker 2: So in a place called Monday in Himachal Pradesh. He's

840
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Speaker 2: now the chief scientific officer for a very big outfit

841
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 2: in Japan, and he's totally on board on consciousness and

842
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 2: how it is. You know, the brain is like a

843
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: computer interface. So the consciousness uses the brain to give

844
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: you access to experience. Just like I can go on

845
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Speaker 2: my desktop computer and I don't need to know how

846
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Speaker 2: it works. I press Amazon dot com. It gives me

847
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: a way to shop. Yes, So the brain is like

848
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Speaker 2: that computer interface, and these neural correlates a little symbolic,

849
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Speaker 2: you might say, symbols that you can use to plug

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Speaker 2: in to the bigger reality. And so I'm going to

851
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Speaker 2: India just to meet this guy because he's brilliant, and

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00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 2: he's in Japan, but he's questioning Nobel Laureates at the

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Speaker 2: moment and he's brilliant. Absolutely. And you see, you have

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Speaker 2: to have a cultural background to explore all this because

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Speaker 2: you know, when you speak to scientists who totally brought

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Speaker 2: up in the materialistic paradigm reductionists, they roll their eyes,

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Speaker 2: they said, what are you talking about? This is nonsense?

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Speaker 1: But what do you think it's going to take for

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Speaker 1: those individuals to actually open up their minds.

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Speaker 2: And the science the science.

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Speaker 1: Do you think though, that we can even measure some

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Speaker 1: of this with science, Like is it even possible to see?

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Speaker 2: You can't measure the experience, but you can measure the

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Speaker 2: symbolic correlate of the experience as what is called the

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Speaker 2: neural correlate of experience. You can see the pat what

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Speaker 2: they call pattern recognition. Okay, so the brain has a

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Speaker 2: pattern recognition to an experience. It's like your desktop with

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Speaker 2: twenty or thirty or in this case infinite symbols that

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Speaker 2: you can.

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Speaker 1: Plug into to get the experience right right. Fascinating, It

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Speaker 1: is fascinating. It is fascinating the more because we have

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Speaker 1: a common language. I can understand the ease with which

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Speaker 1: you know, But when I think about people who don't

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Speaker 1: have that, it becomes so hard to wrap your head

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Speaker 1: around even the possibility.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and ultimately still a mystery. You know, we know

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Speaker 2: how to use you know, just like we know how

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Speaker 2: to use computers without knowing what's happening in the belly

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Speaker 2: of the computer that you leave to the engineers. But

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Speaker 2: we can still use a computer that's what we need.

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Speaker 2: You can fly a plane as a pilot without knowing

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Speaker 2: how the airplane works. So that's all we need to

883
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Speaker 2: use the technology because ultimately what we call consciousness is

884
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Speaker 2: such an infinite mystery that in the end you have

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Speaker 2: to surrender to it. You know, the fifth Niama, which

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Speaker 2: surrender to the divine each word surrender, because you won't

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Speaker 2: be able to solve it. You know, what's his name,

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Speaker 2: Freeman Dyson, one of the greatest physicists of all times, Princeton,

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Speaker 2: before that Cambridge. He said, God is what the mind

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Speaker 2: becomes when you can't figure it out, when it process,

891
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Speaker 2: it goes beyond the threshold of your comprehension. You have

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Speaker 2: to surrender to the mystery.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the If someone's really interested in self realization,

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Speaker 1: they're really fascinated by the conversation you're having.

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Speaker 2: My next book what is called awakening? Oh wow, okay, perfect?

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Speaker 2: The Path to Freedom and Enlightenment. I'll come to you.

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Speaker 1: Oh please, I love that. Now I was going to

898
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Speaker 1: ask you, what's the first question? They should ask ai?

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Speaker 2: Who am I? Who am I? Then they should go,

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Speaker 2: you know, all the way like Romana Marsh, did you

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Speaker 2: know am I the body or am I the awareness

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Speaker 2: in which the body is a changing experience? Am I

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Speaker 2: the mind? All the way this was. These days it's

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Speaker 2: being called the direct method. But it was popularized by

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Speaker 2: an Indian teacher called Atmanan Krishna Menan. But it's ancient.

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Speaker 2: It's there in the Vedic literature. And right now it's

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Speaker 2: been called the direct method, and yoga and all the

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Speaker 2: other methods are called the progressive method. Direct means you question,

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Speaker 2: what is this? Well, the human construct is this is

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Speaker 2: a glass of water? Okay, what else is it? It's

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Speaker 2: an object, But before you can call it an object,

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Speaker 2: it's an experience. Where is the experience happening? Not in

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Speaker 2: the brain. There's no photo of this in your brain. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So where is happening consciousness? Where is consciousness? Don't know?

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Speaker 2: Why don't you know? Because it doesn't have a form.

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Speaker 2: So this is an experience happening in the infinite. The

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Speaker 2: infinite is present in every finite experience. God is not

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Speaker 2: difficult to find. God is impossible to avoid. It's in

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Speaker 2: everything that you see. You need consciousness, and that consciousness infinite.

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Speaker 2: So every finite experience is based on the presence of

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Speaker 2: the infinite. This is the direct method. It's a reflection.

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Speaker 2: It's called atma vichar, and it leads to what is

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Speaker 2: called artma dshan. But that's very deep for both people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly which depact we have? Why not asked

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Speaker 1: you today that I should have asked you? No, I

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Speaker 1: think you asked me a lot I was going to

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Speaker 1: ask I was gonna ask you GPT. Right now, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to say what questions should ask you? I ask

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Speaker 1: Deepak about AI and spirituality.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing this live and in real time. Yeah, not

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Speaker 2: part of our original prep.

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Speaker 1: It says if you're having a conversation with deep and spirituality,

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Speaker 1: you might want to explore how he viewsed the intersection

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Speaker 1: of technolog consciousness, which we did, and it says, how

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Speaker 1: do you see AI influencing human consciousness and spirituality in

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Speaker 1: the coming years.

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Speaker 2: We talked about that.

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Speaker 1: I believe in your view, can artificial intelligence ever truly

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Speaker 1: achieve consciousness or a sense of self awareness? You said no,

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Speaker 1: So we talked about that. Do you think AI could

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Speaker 1: be used to enhance spiritual practices such as meditation self awareness?

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Speaker 2: You said yes. We talked about that.

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Speaker 1: How do you reconcile the rapid development of AI with

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Speaker 1: spiritual concepts of mindfulness, presence. Yeah, we've Yeah, it feels good.

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Speaker 2: We did a good job.

946
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to see if there's anything that we missed

947
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Speaker 1: here that we didn't ask you. No, it's pretty farn Yeah,

948
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Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing. It's pretty phenomenal. But debag, I'm always

949
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Speaker 1: in awe of how you've found a way to take

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Speaker 1: the teachings of the East so far and so deep

951
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Speaker 1: and now to take it all the way through to AI.

952
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Speaker 2: And this is India's contribution to the words really is

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Speaker 2: we never conquered through violence, but our culture is taking

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Speaker 2: over the world, whether it's Bollywood, or it's cuisine, or

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Speaker 2: its fashion, or its philosophy or its spirituality. This is

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Speaker 2: the way to influence the world. As you know, there's

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Speaker 2: a Sanskrit expression bars they've kam the world is our family. Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: The book is called Digital Dharma. Of course, head over

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Speaker 1: to Deepatupra dot Ai will be putting a code for

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Speaker 1: anyone who wants to use it. As well. As always,

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Speaker 1: you've blurned my mind, You've expanded my consciousness.

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Speaker 2: You make me proud of the culture.

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Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough to study and deeply look at

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Speaker 1: in my time and thank you so much for doing

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Speaker 1: all the incredible work you are and peace for.

966
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Speaker 2: Going up in here and leading the way for your generation.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, thank you.

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Speaker 1: live healthier, go and check out my conversation with the

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Speaker 1: world's biggest longevity Peter Attia on how to slow down

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Speaker 1: aging and why your emotional health is directly impacting your

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Speaker 1: physical health. Acknowledge that there is surprisingly little known about

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Speaker 1: the relationship between nutrition and health, and people are going

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Speaker 1: to be shocked to hear that, because I think most

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Speaker 1: people think the exact opposite.