Speaker 1: Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition
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Speaker 1: Brian Alvarez here on Wrestling Observer Live. We are here
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Speaker 1: And normally you know that means, but not today because
Speaker 1: we got some changes today. Normally we do a very
Speaker 1: in depth aw Dynamite Report. We will not be doing
Speaker 1: that today. I will be talking about what happened on
Speaker 1: the show, some notes from the show. But in the
Speaker 1: second segment we will be joined by Runney Paquette. I
Speaker 1: love saying that name, Runney Pusquette, and we have a
Speaker 1: lot to talk about, including the Wrestling Revolver returning to Dayton, Ohio,
Speaker 1: iming Sunday, two shows in one day live on Fight TV.
Speaker 1: There is a Women's Grand Prix at three o'clock PM,
Speaker 1: and there is Revolver Redemption with John Moxley and Gringo
Speaker 1: Loco a eight PM and Renee is I believe they're
Speaker 1: calling her the Special Ambassador and so she's going to
Speaker 1: talk about the Women's Grand Prix as well as aw
Speaker 1: Dynamite and plenty more. We have her for two segments
Speaker 1: here today, so that should be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: And prior to that, we'll talk about the news, which
Speaker 1: is the lineups for the title Tuesday and NXT shows
Speaker 1: next Tuesday. Killy wait, will we talk about this?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: We've got Adam Cole injury update on him, NXT No
Speaker 1: Mercy ratings, the post pay per view show, and yes,
Speaker 1: a bunch of notes from Dynamite Wednesday, where a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff happened and we got some show to build towards.
Speaker 1: We already know the main event for Full Gears MJF
Speaker 1: defending the title against Switchblade. So a lot to get
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Speaker 1: be joining us in the next segment of the show.
Speaker 1: But first, we got a lot of news coming off
Speaker 1: the Dynamite Show last night. Not gonna do a full
Speaker 1: Dynamite review that'll be on the Brain of NU show
Speaker 1: tonight nine Pacific midnight. Eastern Subscribers Wrestling Observer dot com
Speaker 1: get the Bryan and Vinnie Show can also watch it
Speaker 1: at video dot at four w online dot com. And
Speaker 1: they announced a bunch of things because everyone's losing their
Speaker 1: mind about next Tuesday. Aw is determined, determined to win
Speaker 1: the night. N XT is determined to win the night.
Speaker 1: And uh, I mean, I don't know, man.
Speaker 3: What's the matter?
Speaker 1: Who cares? I mean, it's literally it's one day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't matter. Make it special, I mean, make
Speaker 1: it special, everything like that. But like it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if NXT. If NXT loses, what difference does it make.
Speaker 1: If Dynamite loses, what difference does it make? What's gonna matter?
Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna tvd ye. Hey, listen, it was gonna matter
Speaker 1: for the next TV deal, like how you're doing on average. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like they're going to go. You know, we were
Speaker 1: thinking about giving you one hundred and fifty million, but
Speaker 1: that one day, that one Tuesday, one Tuesday, you did
Speaker 1: a little bit better than usual. Man, Now we're going
Speaker 1: to give you a three hundred million now, right, Well, it's.
Speaker 3: This is for the people that just love throwing mud
Speaker 3: back and forth at each other and are big fans
Speaker 3: of one product over the other. That is all this
Speaker 3: is about. At the end of the day, I doubt
Speaker 3: anything will happen on either one of these shows that
Speaker 3: shakes the core of their business down to its very foundation,
Speaker 3: and I just don't I don't foresee that happening. So really,
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, when it comes to
Speaker 3: be Wednesday morning, it's just going to be another couple
Speaker 3: of shows that happened, and we'll get a bunch of
Speaker 3: content out of it for a couple of days with
Speaker 3: everybody fighting back and forth, and the rating will be
Speaker 3: let out and then everybody will fight about that and
Speaker 3: then we're on to the next one.
Speaker 1: You know, the worst thing about doing a show is
Speaker 1: people listen to it.
Speaker 3: It's a blessing.
Speaker 1: Actually, I take that back. The worst part of doing
Speaker 1: a show is people don't listen to it. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: bloke here, mushroom man, Brian hates fun. What in the
Speaker 1: name of God Almighty does? What did I say that
Speaker 1: I had anything to do with fun? What I said was,
Speaker 1: if I may repeat myself, it doesn't matter which show
Speaker 1: wins on this one Tuesday. It only matters for people's egos.
Speaker 1: I didn't say I wasn't gonna enjoy the shows. I
Speaker 1: didn't say I didn't like the lineups. I didn't say
Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna be fun. What I said was neither
Speaker 1: show is gonna get a better deal if they win,
Speaker 1: and neither show is gonna get canceled if they lose.
Speaker 1: So for the people involved, what difference does it make?
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any difference except for everybody's ego. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun because we got two stacked lineups.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about it might be happy to
Speaker 1: all right? Thank god, poor Renee is not falling victim
Speaker 1: to this yelling. So NXT has Carmelo Hayes with John
Speaker 1: Cena against Brawn Breaker with Paul Hayman. Roxan Perez will
Speaker 1: be facing Osca Yes, the Great Oscar and Cody Rhoades.
Speaker 1: Cody Rhodes Yes will be making a major announcement huge. Yes.
Speaker 1: We have John Cena, Paul Hayman, Oscar and Cody Rhoads
Speaker 1: all on NXC. That's just what they've told you so far.
Speaker 1: They haven't announced the Ridge Holland match. Now for Dynamite
Speaker 1: Soria or as I like to call her, Sorea defends
Speaker 1: the International Women's World Championship. There's a lot of belts
Speaker 1: bro against the Karashida Ray Phoenix will defend the International
Speaker 1: title against John Moxley. It looks like they're gonna do
Speaker 1: exactly what I did not want them to do, which
Speaker 1: is the first match back. Moxley just wins his title
Speaker 1: back because he wasn't supposed to lose it. But sure
Speaker 1: looks like that's where we're going here. We have got
Speaker 1: Brian Danielson Swerve Strickland in a Number one Contenders match.
Speaker 1: We have Jay White against Hangman Page. We have got
Speaker 1: Adam Copeland against the Luca Source in his debut, that
Speaker 1: being Adam Copeland of course, and we've got Chris Jericho
Speaker 1: against Powerhouse Hobbs, who has joined this absolutely horrible croup
Speaker 1: of I said creep, which is also horrible. That's what
Speaker 1: he should call this group. Don Callis's croup a horrible
Speaker 1: childhood disease that my child has suffered from multiple times.
Speaker 1: It's Chris Jericho Powerhouse Hobbs. He has joined the family.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: What a head to head that's gonna be. You know
Speaker 1: that sounds like my fun. But you know what, it
Speaker 1: certainly doesn't matter which side wins.
Speaker 3: I think the fans win, don't they.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll have to watch the shows because
Speaker 1: there's a very good chance I'm gonna lose because Dave's
Speaker 1: gonna want to do a show that night, and I'm
Speaker 1: on the West coast, so I'm I'm I'm just screwed
Speaker 1: six ways from Sunday. No getting around it.
Speaker 3: Mm hm hmmm. Well, no, it gives you Wednesday night off, now.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't because I'll do the Bryna v Show
Speaker 1: that night. Are you able to watch two shows? A
Speaker 1: Bryan and Viny show and a Dave show in one night? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, no, that's not gonna happen. I hit my
Speaker 1: wall about uh, about ten am on Wednesday when I
Speaker 1: beg Glance to just go solo because I just couldn't
Speaker 1: do anymore. I just couldn't do it. How is he
Speaker 1: enjoying it? Eight shows in forty eight hours, eight and
Speaker 1: forty eight hours.
Speaker 3: You know, honest to god, you know, Carl Stern died,
Speaker 3: for Heaven's sakes, pulled himself back up, uploaded his show,
Speaker 3: went to the hospital, found out that he died, came
Speaker 3: back to life, kept uploading shows, And here you are complaining.
Speaker 1: Hey, Carl Stern will outlive all of us. I think
Speaker 1: that's abundantly clear we're really saying, and more power to him.
Speaker 3: Jim Valley and Carl Stern are going to keep us
Speaker 3: all safe. Yeah, they repelled death like nobody else.
Speaker 1: Adam Cole provided an injury update during a Twitch stream
Speaker 1: on Thursday. He broke his ankle during a run in
Speaker 1: on Dynamite. Says it's not clear exactly how the injury occurred.
Speaker 1: He said it's going to require two surgeries, eight screws,
Speaker 1: and a plate being inserted into his ankle. Obviously, he said,
Speaker 1: as many people know, my ankle is broken. When all
Speaker 1: is and done, when I'm eventually able to get everything
Speaker 1: all fixed. I'm gonna need to get two surgeries. Will
Speaker 1: be a total of eight screws a plate. Not ideal,
Speaker 1: he says, extremely painful, most painful injury I've ever had.
Speaker 1: So keep this in mind. By the way, when they
Speaker 1: shot that angle yesterday where MGF made a move furniture
Speaker 1: with a broken foot, I'll bet he loved that.
Speaker 3: Welcome to narth rightist kid freak.
Speaker 1: Type of thing. The doctor said, I'm doing my best
Speaker 1: to stay as positive as possible at soul crushing a bummer.
Speaker 1: I mean, the most shocking thing to me was he
Speaker 1: hadn't had the surgery yet, so I don't know if
Speaker 1: they have to wait for like it's possible there's an
Speaker 1: extremely like a lot of swelling and they gotta wait
Speaker 1: for that to go down or I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on. But as of yesterday on the show was
Speaker 1: like they said, he hadn't had surgery yet, so I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. But yeah, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know it a storyline, Uh.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure we'll get a skit about it.
Speaker 1: Actually, of course we will. But the storyline is that
Speaker 1: MGF is going to try and hold onto those ring
Speaker 1: of honor take team titles until he gets back. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's happening. I mean, he may do it
Speaker 1: a few times, but I mean we're talking about I
Speaker 1: guess it doesn't matter, but we're talking about icing these belts.
Speaker 1: I mean, this could be close to a year. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a very very serious thing right here.
Speaker 3: So you want to skit for the future, just ignore
Speaker 3: the belts, make them go away, and then next year,
Speaker 3: at some point, Tony Kahan in that bar that they
Speaker 3: were doing all the skits in there for a while,
Speaker 3: he goes in, somebody opens up the freezer, and there
Speaker 3: the title is in, you know, in a block of ice.
Speaker 3: I gotta be honest, hopefully that by that point there
Speaker 3: are really no more ROH titles except for maybe a
Speaker 3: world title. But that's me.
Speaker 1: NXT on a Tuesday, eight hundred and fifty seven thousand viewers.
Speaker 1: The week before, they did six thirty six, best viewership
Speaker 1: totals since October twenty, twenty eighteen to forty nine. They
Speaker 1: did a point two too, up from point eighteen. It's
Speaker 1: down a little bit from the September nineteenth and September
Speaker 1: twelfth shows, but they went head to head with the
Speaker 1: MLB wild Card playoff, so big number, and it would
Speaker 1: be expected that they would win next week. But you
Speaker 1: know what, no man back in a moment with Renee
Speaker 1: Puquette Wrestling Observer Live, back in the show, Brian Alberez
Speaker 1: here Wrestling Observer Live, Mike SIMPERBB also have Wrestling Observer
Speaker 1: dot Com and Yes, believe it or not, we are
Speaker 1: delighted today to be joined by Renee Puquette here on
Speaker 1: this program. Hello, how you go. I'm doing I'm doing great.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good, fresh off of a red eye flight. I
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on, but we got lots of
Speaker 2: wrestling to talk about.
Speaker 1: Yes we do. There is a show coming up this
Speaker 1: weekend that we've been talking about for the last couple
Speaker 1: of days. The Wrestling Revolver returns at Dayton, Ohio, two
Speaker 1: shows in one day, live pay per view on Fight
Speaker 1: TV at three pm Sunday this Sunday. It is the
Speaker 1: Women's Grand Prix and we had Billy Starks on yesterday
Speaker 1: talking about that, and then at eight pm there's a
Speaker 1: Revolver Redemption show with it says here, John Moxley versus
Speaker 1: Gringo Loco is that correct. I don't know.
Speaker 2: You have to ask him about that. I cannot confirm
Speaker 2: or deny that.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought that when I was plugging it
Speaker 1: all day yesterday. I was like, maybe we should confirm that, because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure. I wish that I could confirm that,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I'm not one hundred percent what all is
Speaker 2: going to happen on that show. I only know about
Speaker 2: the Grand Prix stuff. You know, whatever happens on the
Speaker 2: other show, that's their business. I'm working with the ladies.
Speaker 1: Yes you are. You're billed as the special Ambassador. What
Speaker 1: does that mean?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It feels sort of reminiscent of when I was like
Speaker 2: the special contributor on SmackDown. I don't know. I mean
Speaker 2: I think, you know, it's really cool to be able
Speaker 2: to go in and represent for the women. We have
Speaker 2: such a great roster of women participating in this tournament.
Speaker 2: So for me to be able to kind of like
Speaker 2: spearhead that in some way, to be able to jump
Speaker 2: on commentary, contribute in that way, just kind of talk
Speaker 2: to the girls and be around that like independent wrestling
Speaker 2: scene for the women, that feels really cool to me.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited about it.
Speaker 1: You know, before we get more into this, I have
Speaker 1: to ask you. They call you the remarkable Renee Piquet.
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know what, It's got a nice ring to it.
Speaker 2: I feel like ex Caliber really has coined some great ones.
Speaker 2: That was great. Even last night on the show he
Speaker 2: got the little reference that I only ketchup chip sorry hook,
Speaker 2: those plane lays weren't cutting it. I'm a ketchup Chip
Speaker 2: lady through and through. But you have remarkable Renee. Why
Speaker 2: have I not been using that the whole time? It's great.
Speaker 3: It's got a great ring to the renaissance woman an
Speaker 3: a piquette as well too. I mean, you wear probably
Speaker 3: more hats than anybody else. You have the I just
Speaker 3: because I forgot about it until today. Being a football
Speaker 3: fan Renee all day. You got the new one up
Speaker 3: with Mike Hilton. You have the sessions you have. You
Speaker 3: love to entertain so much so that you have a
Speaker 3: cookbook about it, which you now turned into a v
Speaker 3: log as well too, or whatever you call those things
Speaker 3: on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Mike is very old, so you let yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: you know what, I use a lot.
Speaker 2: Of old references too, and sometimes the kids, you know,
Speaker 2: it's so funny. Like with the aw roster, I feel
Speaker 2: like they are their young group. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: my grandmother around here? What are these words are? What
Speaker 2: are they? What's the terminology around here? But yes, I
Speaker 2: do like to stay very busy. Working with the Bengals
Speaker 2: has been awesome to be able to do RENEE all day.
Speaker 2: I mean, I wish they were getting a couple more
Speaker 2: w's on their side lately, but still it's been really
Speaker 2: great to go down and hang out with those guys
Speaker 2: and still kind of like do those interviews, kind of
Speaker 2: keep those chops nice and fresh and and dabbling in
Speaker 2: the football world instead of just keeping everything straight pro wrestling.
Speaker 2: But they've been fantastic. I'm doing the cooking stuff. I'm
Speaker 2: actually about to go make a chicken pop pie once
Speaker 2: I jump off here with you guys. So there's always
Speaker 2: good smells happening in this house.
Speaker 1: Now. I got to ask you this question because you are,
Speaker 1: in fact remarkable. We're not just saying that because you're
Speaker 1: on the show. We've talked about this many, many times.
Speaker 1: But I want to mention Dasha because Dasha, she used
Speaker 1: to work for WWE. Yeah, and you know I had
Speaker 1: a lot to say about old Dash and WWE, and
Speaker 1: and then she went to a w and like immediately
Speaker 1: I went what what she was so great in aw
Speaker 1: as compared to what they had her do in in
Speaker 1: WWE and wanted her to do? And it was like
Speaker 1: it completely blew my mind. Now I bring that up
Speaker 1: because you somehow were great in WWE, which sometimes seemed
Speaker 1: like that would be impossible. So I guess my question
Speaker 1: to you is, like, you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: disrespect anybody, but I kind of am, but like you were,
Speaker 1: you were the best person to ever do that job
Speaker 1: by miles to the point where like people called you
Speaker 1: like the new gene Okerland, which is about as high
Speaker 1: a praise you can give somebody.
Speaker 2: It really is. It really isn't. It goes to my head.
Speaker 1: But well that's fine, that's fine. So but my question
Speaker 1: is how, because like, nobody else has been able to
Speaker 1: do this, and there are very talented people like That's
Speaker 1: why I brought up Dasha because she's incredibly talented, but
Speaker 1: when she was in ww you would never have known
Speaker 1: that because of what they wanted. And so my question
Speaker 1: to you is, how how did you do that?
Speaker 2: I honestly don't know. I don't know how it kind
Speaker 2: of happened, Like I almost want to chalk it up
Speaker 2: to maybe the art of subtlety that I think I
Speaker 2: was able to sneak stuff in over the course of
Speaker 2: my career there that didn't rub Vince the wrong way.
Speaker 2: So all of a sudden I was allowed to have
Speaker 2: some reactions. I was allowed to have a little bit
Speaker 2: more personality. But it did feel like an uphill battle.
Speaker 2: There was definitely conversations of like, don't outshine the talent,
Speaker 2: don't do too much, be straight laced, ponytail, blazer, ugly dress,
Speaker 2: all of these things that were like conversations that I
Speaker 2: had had during my time there. But the more I
Speaker 2: had chipped away, the more I had earned the trust
Speaker 2: of Vince, of Kevin Dunn, of those guys there, Michael
Speaker 2: Cole once, once they knew that they could trust me,
Speaker 2: I think that's when it kind of opened up a
Speaker 2: little bit more because there still really was like the
Speaker 2: edict to a lot of the on air personalities to
Speaker 2: like no sell everything, no reactions that like blank stare
Speaker 2: into the abyss when somebody walks off, Like that's a
Speaker 2: specific direction that is given to people. It does feel
Speaker 2: like they get a little bit more leeway with that.
Speaker 1: Now it's a little better now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little bit better now. But it definitely
Speaker 2: was like an uphill battle of like can I just
Speaker 2: get away with a little something? So I would always
Speaker 2: just try to get away with a little bit more.
Speaker 2: And it's all just in those like subtlety things. And
Speaker 2: I always say there's like new people coming in too,
Speaker 2: Like there really is just such like a little small
Speaker 2: nuances of like the way that you bring on a
Speaker 2: heel or a baby face, to how you stand next
Speaker 2: to them, and it's just like listening to them and
Speaker 2: reacting to someone like the ridiculous things that they say.
Speaker 2: And it's it's those reactions that I think help make
Speaker 2: that moment great or help, you know, give that character
Speaker 2: something to do. And I always love working with other
Speaker 2: talent that give me something to do because it's kind
Speaker 2: of my job to be reactionary to the stuff that
Speaker 2: they do. So when people use me as that tool,
Speaker 2: I love that. It's really fun.
Speaker 1: Well, you know the reason I bring it up as well,
Speaker 1: and you actually explained it exactly how it is, which
Speaker 1: is they don't want you to outshine the talent they
Speaker 1: want you to just be And it always amazed me
Speaker 1: because it is better now. But you know, back several
Speaker 1: years ago, they.
Speaker 2: Would hire start days for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah they were. They would hire these people
Speaker 1: with these great resumes and like great people, but then
Speaker 1: they wanted you to be not great. And I just thought,
Speaker 1: why do you waste your money just like if you
Speaker 1: just want so much at that?
Speaker 2: And it's like it's really frustrating and painful because you
Speaker 2: bring in these people that are like, well, wait, you
Speaker 2: hired me because I'm good at X, Y and Z,
Speaker 2: but now you want to like wipe that slate clean. Yes, restart,
Speaker 2: here's your new name, here's the new deal. We don't
Speaker 2: reference any of the things that you've done before. And
Speaker 2: now you become like this glorified mic stand, which is
Speaker 2: not very fulfilling when you know that you have other
Speaker 2: things to bring to the table. So yeah, I just
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I mean, I guess I know why.
Speaker 2: I'm just yeah, you want the moment to just be
Speaker 2: about the talent. But when you have the right person
Speaker 2: in there that can help to make a moment better
Speaker 2: without making it about themselves, you can have some really
Speaker 2: great moments of magic. I mean, I think me and
Speaker 2: Paul Hayman so many times I think about working with
Speaker 2: him and the moments that we got to have and
Speaker 2: him getting in my face or like, you know, I've
Speaker 2: had moments like that with Samoa Joe. I've had them
Speaker 2: with Eddie Kingston. It's cool to be able to use
Speaker 2: someone in a different layer like that.
Speaker 3: You obviously had a very notable career before joining WWE,
Speaker 3: as many people have, Scott Stanford or Michael Cole or
Speaker 3: a lot of folks who come in from news and
Speaker 3: from sports especially. What was the most jarring thing that
Speaker 3: you had to get used to other than Vince directly
Speaker 3: yelling at you. What was the most jarring thing for
Speaker 3: you coming from outside of that crazy world and then
Speaker 3: being dumped right into it.
Speaker 2: I think the thing that threw me for the biggest loop.
Speaker 2: So when you work in Canadian television, you don't really
Speaker 2: get the star treatment. You have to do everything you're
Speaker 2: because sometimes doing your own here in your own makeup,
Speaker 2: you're putting the segments together, You're like you are your
Speaker 2: own producer a lot of the time. So I was
Speaker 2: really used to being so hands on with like, what's
Speaker 2: a segment. Do I have to write an intro for something?
Speaker 2: I was like writing a lot of my own content
Speaker 2: and like really in control of that. So when I
Speaker 2: started at WWE and they're like, your name's Renee Young
Speaker 2: and here's your script, I was like, wait, what, I
Speaker 2: don't have to I just have to memorize this thing
Speaker 2: and then regurgitate it. And you guys don't need anything
Speaker 2: else for me other than that. I mean, obviously that's
Speaker 2: just for the backstage stuff. It's different when you're doing
Speaker 2: a kickoff show where you're you know, you're doing a
Speaker 2: panel or a studio show or something like that that
Speaker 2: requires a different skill set. But yeah, that was the
Speaker 2: weirdest thing to me to like be handed a script
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, okay, well that was easy enough.
Speaker 1: How long before the delight of that being like a
Speaker 1: really easy job kind of started to be like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I could do a little more. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean the frustrating thing is I think when a
Speaker 2: lot of people like I know my value, I know
Speaker 2: what my skill sets are. I know like my drive
Speaker 2: and my ambition, But when you have other people like
Speaker 2: confirm it to you have like shouldn't you be doing
Speaker 2: like a little more than this, and you start to
Speaker 2: feel like, man, you're right, I am like spinning my wheels.
Speaker 2: And you really get sucked into it too, because it's
Speaker 2: like all of a sudden, you're on the road every
Speaker 2: week and you've got pay per views, and you've got
Speaker 2: these big moments or these big interviews that you're doing,
Speaker 2: and you like get the gratification from doing those things
Speaker 2: that you sometimes lose track or time passes very quickly
Speaker 2: where all of a sudden you're like, wait, whoa, I've
Speaker 2: been doing this for a year or two, and like
Speaker 2: what else can we do? What other kind of like
Speaker 2: what other shows can I host? How else can I
Speaker 2: contribute in other ways? Yeah, it sinks in it pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think just kind of like getting that
Speaker 2: confirmation from other people of like we're not using you
Speaker 2: to your full your full capacity, and that is like
Speaker 2: a really heartbreaking feeling of feeling like you're just not
Speaker 2: living up to your full potential. It's really frustrating.
Speaker 1: All right, stand by back in them with more Observer Live. Hey,
Speaker 1: we're back here on the show. We've got a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about. There's a Women's Grand Prix coming up.
Speaker 1: Pro Wrestling Revolver. It is this Sunday. It is the
Speaker 1: Calumet Center in Dayton, Ohio, so you can go everybody.
Speaker 1: There is a meet and greet at one thirty in
Speaker 1: the afternoon, the doors open at two o'clock and the
Speaker 1: Women's Grand Prix starts at three. And if you're not
Speaker 1: in the area, you could of course watch this on
Speaker 1: Fight dot tv. It is a double header. There's a
Speaker 1: Revolver show at eight o'clock afterwards and tickets available. It
Speaker 1: can add to pro Wrestling revolver dot com. All of
Speaker 1: the information is up there, and the special Ambassador, Renee Paquette,
Speaker 1: is joining us here today. And how many of these
Speaker 1: these women have you seen regularly?
Speaker 2: I'm quite a few of them. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: from Billy Starks to Marina Shafir, Emmy Sakrara, I mean Vixen.
Speaker 2: Vixen was just on TV with us. Obviously, I've seen
Speaker 2: Alison k a ton. So yeah, it really is like
Speaker 2: a good, strong group. I'm super excited to see what
Speaker 2: they bring to the table. And you know, having like
Speaker 2: my experience of participating doing commentary for the May Young
Speaker 2: Classic several years ago and being a part of a
Speaker 2: women's tournament like this. There's something really special about really
Speaker 2: just putting the full focus on the women. I love
Speaker 2: that it's like a full female commentary team. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: just think it's a great moment for all of these
Speaker 2: women to shine, to take that spotlight and like really
Speaker 2: own it and maybe just show people something that they've
Speaker 2: not seen from them before.
Speaker 1: So what can you tell us about commentary? Your role?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be the meet and greet? What can
Speaker 1: you tell us?
Speaker 2: I will be doing some commentary, which I'm very excited about.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Ada Scott, so I'm excited
Speaker 2: to be able to work with her to get to
Speaker 2: pick her brain because I feel like she's been really
Speaker 2: honing in her craft the last couple of years, and
Speaker 2: I hear her on different calls and stuff like, I
Speaker 2: just think she's so well versed in that space. I've
Speaker 2: obviously not done it for a minute, but I've done
Speaker 2: it in a different capacity. It was funny I was
Speaker 2: talking to John about this, and like there's just always
Speaker 2: like sort of a funny feeling that I get when
Speaker 2: I think about doing commentary that I'm like, oh, do
Speaker 2: I want to do that? How do I feel about that,
Speaker 2: But I feel excited thinking about the times of when
Speaker 2: I was doing NXT commentary and I was with Tom Phillips,
Speaker 2: I was with William Regal so to be able to
Speaker 2: jump or you know, even when I did we did
Speaker 2: Evolution and Beth Phoenix and I got to be on
Speaker 2: that call together. I think about those shows and how
Speaker 2: much fun that was. So I'm kind of going into
Speaker 2: it with that in mind of like, we get to
Speaker 2: have fun. I get to take some of the like
Speaker 2: things that I've learned from, you know, my year plus
Speaker 2: of doing London Ross Commentary, the ups and the downs
Speaker 2: of that, and then being able to apply that here
Speaker 2: of just like take the good stuff and then just
Speaker 2: have fun with the rest of it, like kind of
Speaker 2: throw back to those old days when there were no
Speaker 2: rules and regulations, no one yelling at me.
Speaker 1: And you know, we did talk about all that. I
Speaker 1: don't want to go back to that, but we can
Speaker 1: talk about that in relation to this show and doing commentary.
Speaker 1: But you trained an improv for a while. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned, you know when we were asking you
Speaker 1: why were you great at this job? You said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, when people use me to basically react to
Speaker 1: them that is when you're at your best. And really
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert in acting or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but to be a good actor, it's all about reacting.
Speaker 1: And you see a lot of people reacting. They say, yes,
Speaker 1: you see a lot of people acting, and when they act,
Speaker 1: they're horrible. But the best actors are the people who react.
Speaker 1: And you know, is that the same thing essentially when
Speaker 1: you do commentary, like you're you're job, I presume, is
Speaker 1: to react to what you see, react to the other commentators.
Speaker 1: Is that kind of what you enjoy the improv nature
Speaker 1: of doing something like.
Speaker 2: That, So I do, I do love that aspect of it.
Speaker 2: I mean as much as it's like look at the monitor,
Speaker 2: call what you see. And it is a different skill
Speaker 2: than like doing like a backstage promo, where that's like
Speaker 2: pure reaction and that's in the subtleties of like you know,
Speaker 2: a facial reaction or body language reaction, all of those things.
Speaker 2: But in commentary, like, I'm a big preparer. So I'll
Speaker 2: write a bunch of different notes on every girl. I'll
Speaker 2: pull stuff from their social media, I'll pull stuff from
Speaker 2: conversations I've had with them and find different ways to
Speaker 2: like plug that stuff in there. But then it's also
Speaker 2: taking all that preparation but being okay with completely abandoning
Speaker 2: it and just going with what you see because things change.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a radio show exactly.
Speaker 2: It is that it's the same thing. It's like you
Speaker 2: can prepare a ton, but if the converse station goes
Speaker 2: a different way, or your guest wants to talk about
Speaker 2: something else, you like, your best bet is to just
Speaker 2: follow what they want to do because that's going to
Speaker 2: be your best content. And I feel like it is
Speaker 2: the same way with commentary. It's like I've never worked
Speaker 2: with these other girls before, so to kind of like
Speaker 2: jump in there, and I've also done it for a
Speaker 2: little while, so just you know, kind of shaking off
Speaker 2: that commentary rust. Well we call it that. It's not
Speaker 2: ring rust, but yeah, it is that reactionary side of things.
Speaker 2: It's that acting, it's that improv it's the listening and yeah,
Speaker 2: not not having to like shoehorn stuff. And then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I have this line that I really wanted to get
Speaker 2: in there. I think when you kind of put that
Speaker 2: pressure on yourself, you can really you just mess up
Speaker 2: the flow.
Speaker 1: Did John do that level of preparation for his commentary
Speaker 1: gig and wrestled Dream this weekend.
Speaker 2: No, John doesn't need to prepare like I need to
Speaker 2: prepare because it's already all in his head. So I
Speaker 2: have to do more work where I'm like, well, I've
Speaker 2: not rest all, so I have to bring something else
Speaker 2: to the table that I can't rely on my own
Speaker 2: experience to Now, Oh this hole does whatever, This is
Speaker 2: gonna affect this part of the body or whatever. He
Speaker 2: knows that stuff already so he can lean on that.
Speaker 2: But it's so funny how many people are like, wow,
Speaker 2: John was great on commentary. I'm like, yeah, what did
Speaker 2: you think was gonna happen? Of course he is, like
Speaker 2: he knows pro wrestling through and through, but he's also
Speaker 2: just like so entertaining and like sneaky funny, like the
Speaker 2: stuff in I mean, covering his mic and some of
Speaker 2: the stuff saying.
Speaker 1: I went to Wrestle Dream Live so I couldn't hear
Speaker 1: his commentary, but I had people, I mean they immediately
Speaker 1: I started getting these text missus like can this guy
Speaker 1: retire and just do commentary? And then last night I'm
Speaker 1: on t last.
Speaker 2: Night were watching me and Claudio, we were we were
Speaker 2: watching from one of the locker rooms, and we were
Speaker 2: just like dying laughing at some of the stuff that
Speaker 2: he was saying. Time about Brian, like his tantric sex
Speaker 2: and walking around on all fours like so so funny.
Speaker 2: John's not worried about throwing anyone under the bus in
Speaker 2: their private lives.
Speaker 1: I believe that uh bacha mania put up like a
Speaker 1: I thought that the John Moseley swear jar. I was
Speaker 1: almost crying. I was laughing so hard. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I mean, I don't know pres actually
Speaker 1: got fine, but I'm sure he's all right with it.
Speaker 2: But hey, yeah, I'm worth it. It was well worth
Speaker 2: the moment. It was. That's like my secret back back
Speaker 2: pocket weapon that like it all goes to Hell's but
Speaker 2: can we get John out here? Like I know he'll
Speaker 2: always be able to save the day on those moments.
Speaker 2: He's he's so good at it.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of laughing, I mean, does anyone It seems
Speaker 3: to be more more and more now that people are
Speaker 3: trying to really take your professionalism and really test the
Speaker 3: bounds of it, because it seems like everybody is making you,
Speaker 3: trying to make you crack, whether it be Tony Storm
Speaker 3: or RJ City or whoever. Zach Saber Junior. It seems
Speaker 3: like everybody is going to try to make you pop
Speaker 3: out there at some point. What is it like to
Speaker 3: try to hold off on that? And have you ever
Speaker 3: had to do multiple takes? Have we ever seen something
Speaker 3: we thought was live but it was the thirty seventh
Speaker 3: time because you couldn't stop laughing.
Speaker 2: No, I don't laugh at anyone. None of them are funny,
Speaker 2: not one of them. I'm just stuck with these bad jokes. Now.
Speaker 2: You know who actually gets me more than anybody is
Speaker 2: Daddy Magic. He when him and I will just do
Speaker 2: like the quick little like rundowns for rampage and stuff,
Speaker 2: and that's one I've had to have. Like my nostrils
Speaker 2: are flaring, my face is contorting, like I don't know
Speaker 2: what has happened. I don't know if it's because we
Speaker 2: shoot those so late in the day that I'm like
Speaker 2: also delirious, But there's always this window when I'm shooting
Speaker 2: with Daddy Magic that I'm like, this is going to
Speaker 2: go off the rails, which also is my favorite time
Speaker 2: to work. I like when things like they're about to
Speaker 2: go off the rails. He always gets me. Also, Daniel
Speaker 2: Garcia with that dance. It makes me laugh when I
Speaker 2: watch him do it in the ring. When it's up
Speaker 2: close and personal, it is like a different experience. So
Speaker 2: that also pushes me to my limit. You know.
Speaker 3: Get the dead stare on his face too. He's doing.
Speaker 2: Kills me like it kills me. I don't even know
Speaker 2: where to look. I don't know what this energy is.
Speaker 2: It's it always like it kills me.
Speaker 1: As far as Daddy Magic, Jericho didn't interview once about
Speaker 1: the Jericho Appreciation Society was talking about all the guys
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, if you if someone said to you,
Speaker 1: explain Daddy Magic. We don't know who this guy is.
Speaker 1: Can he explain it? You know, you go on and
Speaker 1: on for a while, but Jericho is just basically he
Speaker 1: just goes He's a gimmick. That's it. That's all you
Speaker 1: have to say. That's like that completely explains everything about him,
Speaker 1: and he is amazing. I know this is unprofessional, by
Speaker 1: the way, but how much money would I have to
Speaker 1: pay you to crack that creep Christian on air?
Speaker 2: Like? Oh not much, like like some Timbits or something.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't take much because yeah, he he is a
Speaker 2: creepy guy. That's that's what he does. That's when that's
Speaker 2: when Christians in this eat spot and he is like, wow,
Speaker 2: is he ever in the moment right now of just
Speaker 2: leaning into the cree the moment of like the turtleneck
Speaker 2: over his head for that first fall of that match
Speaker 2: was so great. But yeah, he's a real pos Now.
Speaker 1: We got a bunch of other non tournament matches here
Speaker 1: on this show, and Jordan Grace is there killer Kelly Jessica.
Speaker 1: We've also got all of the tournament entrance Billy Stark's
Speaker 1: Marina Shaffir Vert vix Have you seen a lot of
Speaker 1: Vert Vixen?
Speaker 2: No, you know what, I actually haven't. But she she
Speaker 2: had a match just this past week with Julia Hart Yea,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I got to like get eyes on her
Speaker 2: see what she was bringing to the table. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I'm seeing that crowd in Seattle too, like
Speaker 2: super behind her. So I'm really excited to call some
Speaker 2: of her matches. Yeah, she'd be really cool. Same with
Speaker 2: Emmy Sakara, like to see her out there and like
Speaker 2: she's just such a legend. So I'm really pumped to
Speaker 2: get out there and just like just to spend time
Speaker 2: with some of these girls and see the stuff that
Speaker 2: makes them tick. I think Marina is another really cool
Speaker 2: one to keep an eye on. I know, just what
Speaker 2: she's been doing with Revolver has been a little bit
Speaker 2: different from what we normally see from her in AW,
Speaker 2: and I think that she could be one to keep
Speaker 2: an eye on for the tournament. For sure.
Speaker 3: They have the right matchup for in the first round
Speaker 3: against Jani Kai, who's been on H and been on
Speaker 3: AW a couple of times. Great, you know, a striker,
Speaker 3: truly a striker, so that ought to be actually a
Speaker 3: really fun matchup.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of these ladies are gonna
Speaker 2: beat the everliving hell out of each other, and that's
Speaker 2: the way it should be. A you know, I was
Speaker 2: talking to Sammy Callahan about this too, and talking to John.
Speaker 2: It's like we've seen such an incredible evolution in this
Speaker 2: sport for women, And when I think of like the
Speaker 2: time that I started in the pro wrestling world to
Speaker 2: the stuff that we see now in the variety and
Speaker 2: the types of matches, the variety in women that we're seeing,
Speaker 2: the diversity in there, to the length of matches, the
Speaker 2: styles of matches to really kind of take off that
Speaker 2: like this is women's wrestling, Like no, this is pro wrestling,
Speaker 2: and these are women that have been like honing their craft.
Speaker 2: They want to get out there and they want to
Speaker 2: do the same stuff the men are doing. They want
Speaker 2: those same opportunities that the men are given. I feel
Speaker 2: like that's something that we're looking to just move things
Speaker 2: forward that much more with this tournament for these women.
Speaker 1: It does feel, you know, even with AW that there
Speaker 1: is a lot more that could be done with the
Speaker 1: women because you can look at the quarter hours and
Speaker 1: there's just a couple of weeks ago, there was like
Speaker 1: three shows in a two week period where the most
Speaker 1: watched segment involved the women. Yeah, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of clamor from fans for more, and yeah, well, I.
Speaker 2: Mean that's the way that it goes. You know, we've
Speaker 2: seen this before, We saw the you know, give divas
Speaker 2: a chance, give women that opportunity, because you see so
Speaker 2: many of these women that not only can they go
Speaker 2: in the ring and have these incredible matches, but they're
Speaker 2: these really great storytellers. They are these like complex layered characters,
Speaker 2: and the more that we can have those storylines and
Speaker 2: not just have them fighting for like time on TV.
Speaker 2: It's like fighting for that thread of like a real
Speaker 2: good storyline. We've seen it succeed, we've seen it. We
Speaker 2: know that there's a want and a desire for it.
Speaker 2: We just you build it and they will come and
Speaker 2: we I feel like, you know, especially in aw it's
Speaker 2: like we have such a great roster of womens and
Speaker 2: they all want to work. I feel like every women's
Speaker 2: roster of any time, they've all wanted to work. Nobody
Speaker 2: wants to just like nail it in and have a
Speaker 2: quick match, like you know, you make the most of
Speaker 2: what you're given, of course, but I think the more
Speaker 2: we give women that spotlight and let them cook, let
Speaker 2: them do their thing, like we're always really pleasantly surprised.
Speaker 1: All right, hold that thought back. In just a moment,
Speaker 1: Observer Live are gonna show Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Mike Simberbebe, also of Wrestling Observe dot Com. A little
Speaker 1: one may do a run at any time, So we're
Speaker 1: gonna wrap this up. Pro Wrestling Revolver it is coming
Speaker 1: up this Sunday the Calumet Center in Dayton, Ohio, Meet
Speaker 1: and greet at one thirty the doors open it to
Speaker 1: the women's show. The Revolver Women's Grand Prix starts at
Speaker 1: three o'clock and at eight o'clock there is a Revolver
Speaker 1: Redemption show as well. If it can be there live,
Speaker 1: there are options to watch on pay perviewfight dot TV.
Speaker 1: It's a live pay per view, two shows in one day.
Speaker 1: And uh renee, let's get some final plugs in here
Speaker 1: for that and anything else you got, You got a lot, were.
Speaker 2: All sorts of plugs. Yes, do not miss the Women's
Speaker 2: Grand Prix. These ladies are going to absolutely crush it.
Speaker 2: We've got eight really strong competitors taking on this tournament.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited to be on the call, to be
Speaker 2: jumping back on commentary again and just getting to like
Speaker 2: participate in women's wrestling. And again, I think the big
Speaker 2: takeaway is not that this is just women's wrestling, but
Speaker 2: this is professional wrestling and these women are going to
Speaker 2: absolutely crush it. Of course, you guys can catch me
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Speaker 2: Ready for that true true, Well.
Speaker 1: Listen, thanks so much for doing the show today. We
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Best of luck with your brand new teeth.
Speaker 1: Huh ah, yes much, get in there.
Speaker 2: Two more trays you got that, That's.
Speaker 1: Right, I got two more here. So thank you very
Speaker 1: much for doing the show here this week, and check
Speaker 1: out the show this coming Sunday, everybody, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: wrap it up for today. So thank you, Renee, thank you, Mike,
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