1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on normally normalistics, but when 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: the news gets weird. 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: I'm Mary Cappenham and I'm Carol Marcowitz. Hi Mary Catherine. 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: How was your very calm and no news weekend? 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 3: You know, as always very chill. 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: You know, we all have different traditions for how we 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: kick off writing season, right and. 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 3: What's yours For me? 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: I just like to kick back and watch X. That's 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: really my way of honoring that moment. I don't burn anything. 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 3: That's just me. 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 2: That's really your mistake. 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 3: I don't know about your family. 14 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: I don't do a lot of civil unrest in general, 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: but I don't know what you guys are doing to 16 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: march this mark this important occasion. 17 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: You know, we went to the beach. 18 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: We watched it unfold from the Florida shore. So yeah, 19 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: that was an exciting few days of la setting itself 20 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: on fire again. 21 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 4: What's funny about. 22 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: It is the media taking all of these different approaches 23 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: to covering what is going on in la So let's 24 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 2: start this off with what is going on in La. 25 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: Ice is deporting people and they are a lot of 26 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: the stories that you may hear are actually untrue. 27 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 4: Like right before we went to air. 28 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: I heard that the really prevalent story over the weekend 29 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: was that ICE had raided a home depot, and that 30 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: turns out to be false. 31 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: Can I throw some context from law enforcement in here. Yeah, 32 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: So when they gather in a large parking lot, huge 33 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: numbers of very skilled operatives, those people are not there 34 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: to pick up day laborers in a line at home depot. Yeah, 35 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: they were going to do that, they wouldn't need all 36 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: those assets. 37 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 3: Exact. 38 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: Those people are simply staging in a home depot or 39 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: a Walmart parking lot. So then they can go out 40 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: and serve the semi dangerous warrants that they have been 41 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: given to serve. 42 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 3: That's how that works. 43 00:01:58,760 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 4: That's right. 44 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: Well, because of these arrests and deportations that they are 45 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: doing on again criminals, there have been protests that devolved 46 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: into riots with Mexican flags and fires and burning the 47 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: American flag. 48 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 4: And I got to tell you, I am an immigrant. 49 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: I don't understand the perspective of you better let me 50 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: stay in this. 51 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 4: Country or I will burn it down. Really don't get that. 52 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 3: I don't get it either. 53 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: I think and I think, Look, this is a situation 54 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: where in the past, pre twenty twenty, I would have 55 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: had a lot more leeway for protesters and said, like, Okay, 56 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: let's look, the law enforcement presence needs to be like 57 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: really on their game and careful and all that stuff, 58 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: and all that stuff is true, like I don't want 59 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: them overstepping. 60 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: I am done right with people burning. 61 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: Down American cities, and I think a lot of people 62 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: are done like fool me once in twenty twenty, And 63 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: I've been watching this since like what was it Seattle 64 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: World Trade Organization when we were like in our teens, 65 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: And I've been watching this the whole time. They destroy stuff, 66 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: They stand in front of cars and then complain that 67 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: the cars didn't like leave them alone. You're in a street, 68 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: They ruin businesses, they hurt people, and because it's for 69 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: the right reasons, being the left reasons, we all have 70 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: to just be like it's okay. 71 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: They mean well, but they don't mean well. 72 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: They don't mean well, And in fact, their cause in 73 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: this case is stopping the federal government from federal warrants 74 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: on people who largely have already been convicted of a 75 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: violent crimes. So they're in the country illegally, they have 76 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: warrants out for them. From the federal government, which a 77 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: sanctuary city cannot block. The federal government comes in to 78 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: do so, and people line the streets to attack them 79 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: physic when they come to serve the warrants. And by 80 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: the way, the warrants I looked up some of them. 81 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: Bill Malujin has been reporting on this. The warrants are 82 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: for people who again have convictions. There was I looked 83 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: at a brief list a three Mexican nationals and one 84 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: Filipino national who had each a. 85 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: Sexual assault or a deadly assault with the deadly weapon charge. 86 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 4: I want to keep them in the country for sure, 87 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 4: not charged. 88 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 3: Conviction, right, and we're just gonna be like, sure, stay Yeah. 89 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: So the big controversy of force is that Donald Trump 90 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: sent in the National Guard, and this apparently is a 91 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: very terrible thing to do in the middle of a riot, 92 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: and Governor Gavin Newsom of California really didn't want him 93 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: to and is now blaming the presence of that National 94 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 2: Guard on the riots escalating, which is absurd. And there's 95 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: a lot of evidence that the National Guard actually only 96 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: protected federal buildings. 97 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 4: They did not do very much at all. 98 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: And as we go to air the New York Times 99 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 2: is reporting that Newsom says California will sue Trump over 100 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: National Guard deployment, which is a great use of California's resources. 101 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: Well, and to this point, when the federal officers come 102 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: to serve the warrants that it is their duty to serve, 103 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: they clearly need protection of those folks who are unable 104 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: to do their job because of this, these crimes being 105 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: committed upon them. In the city of La LAPD or 106 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,799 Speaker 1: California Highway Patrol or one of these law enforcement organizations 107 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: would be the people to do that, but they say 108 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: that it took two hours for them to respond. Newsom 109 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: and Bass, the governor and mayor, are like, we're doing 110 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: everything we can, right, Well, we've. 111 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 3: Seen everything y'all can do. Yeah. 112 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: For since it's not going to cut it to the 113 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: point about whether the National Guard is the issue and 114 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: has escalated the riots, Let's go to the LAPD chief 115 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: who will tell us whether this is going on. Because 116 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: a reporter, of course asked him, this is Trump's fault, right, curious? 117 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 5: Right? 118 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: Do you think that the presidence of National Guard increased 119 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: the level to this kind of situation? 120 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 3: I mean, you said that it's disgusting. 121 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 4: Do you think that if you control it with them, without. 122 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 3: Them, it's could be a different. 123 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 6: Situation, you know, I don't know. That's a very interesting question. 124 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 6: What was the catalyst for us seeing the second and 125 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 6: third day of this becoming increasingly more violent. To be 126 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 6: able to say it's because of the National Guard, I 127 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 6: can't because they're aren't enough on the ground at this 128 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 6: point to make a difference. I've seen civil unrest a 129 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 6: number of times before, and generally the second and third 130 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 6: days are more violent than the initial phase, and so 131 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 6: this is not much different from that pattern. But certainly 132 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 6: I think there's a number of things that cause people 133 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 6: to come out. Much of it is they watch this 134 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,119 Speaker 6: and see it on TV, social media, whatever social media 135 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 6: outlets they follow, are asking them or telling them to 136 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 6: come down and be part of this, and they do 137 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 6: that and they come out here. And many come out 138 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 6: and just want to see what's going on. They're out 139 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 6: there with their cameras, but they're putting themselves in harm's 140 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 6: way and potentially setting themselves up for a criminal future. 141 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 6: When you look at some of the things that are 142 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 6: happening here, somebody could easily be killed, and if you're 143 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 6: a part of that, then you're going to be facing 144 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 6: those charges as well. Talk to the DA just a 145 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 6: couple of minutes ago, and the DA will file felony 146 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 6: charges on individuals where it's appropriate, but won't be shy 147 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 6: about doing that where it is appropriate. And also the 148 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 6: potential for federal charges given the type of environment we're 149 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 6: in and the federal authorities don't play. 150 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 4: All authorities don't play well. 151 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: And I hope there are felony charges at home too. 152 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: The thing is we can't count on that because we 153 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: haven't been able to count on that for the last 154 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: five years. Meanwhile, the LAPD the day before or this 155 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: had been upgraded to unrest by the head. They released 156 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: this news release and said today demonstrations across the city 157 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: of Los Angeles remained peaceful, and we commend all those 158 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: who exercised their First Amendment rights responsibly. The Los Angeles 159 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: Police Department appreciates the cooperation of organizers, participants, and community 160 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: partners who helped ensure public safety throughout the day, saying nonetheless, 161 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: they remain ready to respond should. 162 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 3: Things go badly. I don't know what the disconnect is between. 163 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: The police sheet and the Public Affairs Office, but it 164 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: wasn't peaceful the first time, And protesters are not protesters 165 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: once they're setting things on fire, they are not protesting. 166 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: See Paul, it's not First Amendment rights to throw rocks 167 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: off of overpasses onto police vehicles. 168 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: That's not your First Amendment pleasure. There. 169 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: So the three lines of kind of defense about this 170 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: from the left is it's not violent. If it is violent, 171 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 2: that's bad optics for us, So stop being violent. Or 172 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: the violence is very contained. And so each of those 173 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: is getting its own hearing obviously. 174 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 4: That you know, the no violence is taking place. You 175 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 4: just talked about that. 176 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: Adam Shift tweeted, violence is never the answer. Assaulting law 177 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: enforcement is never okay. Indeed, doing so plays directly into 178 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: the hands of those who seek to antagonize and weaponize 179 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: the situation for their own gain. 180 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 4: Don't let them succeed. 181 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the optics aren't really what the problem is here. 182 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 4: Maybe it's actually the violence that's the issue. 183 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a problem in and of itself. 184 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: And by the way, somebody did some digging and found 185 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: that some of these groups that organized these protests that 186 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: became riots were actually funded by the California state government government. 187 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: And because they have so much money to spare, and 188 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: Karen Bass and Newsom are like releasing press releases at 189 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: the time about all the money they got partly from 190 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: the federal government as well. 191 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: Right, that makes it. 192 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,239 Speaker 1: Worse because I think you can call up your bud 193 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: over at the the agitators group and say, hey, we 194 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: actually really need you guys to not be violent, like 195 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: they're your buddies. You gave them many millions of dollars, 196 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: and they're not doing that because in fact, they prioritize 197 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: law breakers and illegal immigrants and illegal immigrants who have 198 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: committed criminals crimes above that over their own citizens. 199 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the media is helping them with that narrative 200 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 2: of you know those three things. Again, if the violence 201 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,599 Speaker 2: is happening, it's just bad optics. 202 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 4: Or it's contained. Here's we're going to roll a clip 203 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 4: from ABC News. 204 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 7: Large group of people. It could turn very volatile if 205 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 7: you move law enforcement in there and the wrong way 206 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 7: and turn what is just a bunch of people having 207 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 7: fun watching cars burn into a massive confrontation and altercation 208 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 7: between officers and demonstrators. 209 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: So I can't believe that's real. 210 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: That's the local ABC. 211 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: And by the way, you should be able to count 212 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: on local news to least understand that this is a 213 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: problem for local people. I love the idea that applying 214 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: law enforcement to the law breakers is where things go awrid. 215 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 2: It's going to be warm in there a good time, 216 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: Mary Catherine, you. 217 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: Are videotaping people setting fire to Waymo vehicles, which are 218 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: self driving vehicles, someone's property, someone's asset, and they're just 219 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: having a good old time doing that, And if the 220 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: police come and break that up, that would be the. 221 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 3: Problem is over. 222 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't want that. 223 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: Who normal thinks this way? 224 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 4: No one. 225 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 3: Who is the constituency for this, Well. 226 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 4: I don't know. 227 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: And also Brian Stelter at CNN, he thinks that we 228 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: don't understand that only a small part of LA is 229 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: on fire, not the whole thing. You got to say 230 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: that it's only a small small part of Los Angeles 231 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 2: that is feeling these riots. 232 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 4: Let's roll that clips. 233 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 5: On one level. Protests are always about images, about spectacle. 234 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 5: You might even say it's about theater, and we are 235 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 5: seeing that play out in LA. And I think it's 236 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 5: valuable to have that perspective as we see some of 237 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 5: these pictures, especially as we zoom out and we recognize 238 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 5: that the unrest is isolated, is not overtaking. The entire 239 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 5: city of La La is home. 240 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: To millions of people. 241 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 5: Most of them are having a normal day here on Sunday. 242 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 3: Cool. 243 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: Cool, Yeah, most people are having a normal day. So 244 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: was I in Florida? It didn't affect me over here. 245 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: The chiron on that clip was as La. 246 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 4: I believe it was as Elie riot spread. So do misinformation? 247 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: Misinformation? 248 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 2: The misinformation is really what we're all worried about here. 249 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 3: So here's the thing. 250 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: Because La is large and someone in a much richer 251 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: part of town is insulated from this, does that make 252 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: throwing rocks off of overpasses onto policemen? 253 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: Okay, yes, I don't think that was the take on 254 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 3: January sixth. 255 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: I think the take was attacking law enforcement is bad 256 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: from Stelter, and that it didn't matter that other parts 257 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: of the capital or other parts of Washington were undisturbed 258 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: by this particular conflagration. 259 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 3: At the Capitol. Was that, sure, do they apply the 260 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 3: same standard here? They do not. 261 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 5: They do not. 262 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: So when the La Police chief, as you mentioned, said 263 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 2: yesterday they're shooting commercial grade fireworks at us, we are overwhelmed. 264 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 2: I think what he should have said was, But think 265 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: of all the people in LA who are not had 266 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: their commercial grade fireworks shot at them, So everything is 267 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: okay over here. 268 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: I don't understand it. 269 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: I don't live in DC proper for this reason. I've 270 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: watched cities do this for many years, and they don't 271 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: seem to care about the people who live in their 272 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: cities unless they're those people who love to do this 273 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: part of. 274 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 3: The city experience. 275 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: But it's just so incredibly damaging to normal law abiding people, 276 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: and they enforce the laws to the nth degree on 277 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: those who are willing to obey the laws. 278 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 3: So they give out a ticket once every seven seconds 279 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: for parking ille in Washington, d C. 280 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: But something like this, it's fine, We're gonna give it 281 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: a pass for a while, right, gott to buy off 282 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: some steam in the summer, you know it is. 283 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 284 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: Our friend John Echtel, who we love even though he 285 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 2: makes fun of us for being women. He retweeted the 286 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: Brian Stelter clip and said, imagine covering a tornado in 287 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: this manner. They are nearly quote, there are nearly five 288 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 2: hundred thousand free standing domiciles in the city, so destruction 289 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: was relatively minor. End quote, and then he said that 290 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: Guy Benson refers to this as anti journalism. Its purpose 291 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: is to leave the audience intentionally uninformed, and that's exactly 292 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: what this is. 293 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: I guess the analogy also would be all LA matters. Right, 294 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: Let's just pull out for the big picture. 295 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: If you do zoom out from LA, you will see 296 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: that largely LA is without riots. And then if you 297 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: zoom out further, you'll see that the only riots all 298 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: summer long will be in blue cities. You'll see the 299 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: whole country without riots, Chicago and. 300 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 3: New York and LA. Yeah, why do we attribute this? Brian? Right? 301 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: What could it be? What could it be? 302 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 2: A lot of people tried the same kind of arguments 303 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, I pulled up a column that I 304 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: wrote in The New York Post at the time. But 305 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: you know, CNN's correspondent Josh Campbell was tweeting about Portland 306 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: while Portland was partially on fire, saying that he was 307 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: enjoying a burrito in a park and everything was fine. 308 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: Paul Krugman tweeted something similar about New York when there 309 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: were riots and broken windows and fires set in d C. 310 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: Washington Post journalist Dan Zach at the time wrote, you know, 311 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: he posted an idyllic scene in a park and said, 312 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: Washington d C is simply out of control. 313 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 4: It's like, real people are going to be. 314 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: Hurt by stuff like this and minimizing it does not 315 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: help them. So here we are twenty twenty five. 316 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 4: They're trying it again. I don't think they're going to 317 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 4: succeed as well. 318 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: And it's worth. 319 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: Noting It's worth noting that the federalizing of the National 320 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: Guard and sending it into a city is the subject 321 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: of the notorious Tom Cotton op ed the New York Times, 322 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: which got our buddy out of Rubinstein in trouble accepting 323 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: this Senator's. 324 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 2: Op ed with everybody agrees with now. I mean, you know, 325 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 2: they probably probably agree to it then too, but everybody 326 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: agrees with now. 327 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 3: Well, And that's the thing. 328 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: There has been this shift where like people are going 329 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: to put up with less of this, and I think 330 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: the Trump administration some people are saying, oh, they want 331 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: us to riot, and they say, okay, well, first so 332 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: you could just not yeah, you could not riot. Second 333 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: of all, if he wants a do over of twenty 334 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: twenty and would like to approach that differently, and you 335 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: oblige him by doing this, and you give him visuals, yes, 336 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: optics of a guy on a motorbike around burning police 337 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: cars waving a Mexican flag as your symbol. 338 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 3: I don't think that's gonna go well for your party. 339 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, speaking of losers, how are the Democrats doing? 340 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: But can I make one last point about safety? As 341 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: your daughter pointed out, who's a teenager, she's just didn't 342 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: we just learn that that they're not that great with 343 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: fire in La, so like maybe we shouldn't be extracurricularly 344 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: setting things on fire. 345 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 346 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 4: She's just very down to earth. 347 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: She's not super into politics, but she sees the whole picture. 348 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 3: You know. She zoomed out. 349 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 4: We'll be right back on normally. 350 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: As you mentioned, the party mechanics are going great for 351 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: the Gems, right. 352 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 3: They have a leader at the d n C. 353 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: Ken Martin, who's just kind of like the sort of 354 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: guy you want at the DNC, who's like a sort of. 355 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 3: Anonymous, a little worrying. 356 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: His job is to just run elections the best he 357 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: can allocate resources, which is as boring as. 358 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 3: It sounds, and get people elected. That's his job. And 359 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 3: then his deputy became David. 360 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: Hawg Oof, who has been making a bunch of trouble 361 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: for him as this wonder Ken twenty five year old 362 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: doesn't know all that much about winning elections, but knows 363 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: a lot about being famous on Instagram and ex right, 364 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: and is basically saying I want to primary everybody and 365 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: then saying things that the left disapproves of on mar 366 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: like dudes like to have fun. 367 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that was right, It's like it was 368 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: something like that. 369 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 4: It was very obvious. 370 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: But I just I don't even want to give him 371 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 2: credit because yeah, he's not totally insane, but he is 372 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 2: totally insane in a lot of other ways. 373 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean he's trying to walk back his 374 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: insanity of yours past, but in service of primarying a 375 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: bunch of people who would otherwise be slightly more normal on. 376 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 3: The Democratic right side. 377 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: Right, So Ken Martin is like the normy in this 378 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: if we can one enormy And what's his new take 379 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: on running the Democratic Party with David Hogg as his 380 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: second in command? 381 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: So a video surface of a phone call that they had, 382 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 2: and Ken Martin told party leaders that he's unsure about 383 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: his ability to lead the party because of. 384 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 4: Infighting created by David Hogg. I'll be very honest with you. 385 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 4: For the first time in my one hundred days on 386 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 4: this job. 387 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: The other night, I said to myself for the first time, 388 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to do this anymore. 389 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: This was a May seventeenth zoom meeting of DNC officers. 390 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 2: In a recording obtained by Politico, Martin tears up a 391 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: few times during the call. Yeah, he chokes up, and 392 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 2: he's clearly very upset about his inability to do this. 393 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:51,719 Speaker 2: David Hogg wants these primaries to happen for people who 394 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: are not super into politics or listening to the show, 395 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: because you are normies and we love the normies. The 396 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: political party don't get involved in primaries. In fact, if 397 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: they do get involved at all, it'll be on the 398 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: side of the incumbent to keep the seat and to 399 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: make I have as many people on their team win 400 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: as possible. It's not about ideology to the party. It's 401 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 2: about party membership. So this idea that David hobg wants 402 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 2: to primary all these people, it's clearly upsetting Ken Martin 403 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: because he knows they're going to lose these seats and 404 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 2: that is quite a big deal to him. 405 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: Well, there's a universe of about eighteen House seats that 406 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: are up for grabs. 407 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 3: Basically it could be flipped. And the problem is when 408 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 3: you start primarying. 409 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: People, you add numbers to that eighteen or so, which 410 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: means you add the money that you have to do 411 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: to play in all of those And Ken Martin's looking 412 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: at his numbers and going, oh my gosh, what's going 413 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: to happen here? By the way, can I just say 414 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: the tearing up is sad and I'm not picking on 415 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: him at all. The Left is relentless. Its ability to 416 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: exact pain on its own members or on the opposition. Yeah, 417 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: is really something. 418 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: Own members even more than the opposition, I would say. 419 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: And you know, the circular fire squad, as I like 420 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 2: to say, and I've said for many years, never misses. 421 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 4: So that's why they do it. 422 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 423 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, but David Hogg is twenty five, and I 424 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 2: think people need to understand that he has zero political 425 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 2: experience and they made him vice chair. They gave this 426 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 2: kind of power to as twenty five year old, because again, 427 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: like you said, he's. 428 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 4: Famous on the internets. 429 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: He's done almost nothing in his life except fail at 430 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: starting a pillow company because he felt. 431 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 4: It would be really important to compete with my pillow 432 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 4: for some reason. Sure, and he failed at that. 433 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: So the fact that he's in this leadership role is insane. 434 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: Even if he does occasionally say things that are not 435 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: totally bad shit. 436 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: Well, and he's making it impossible for the normy to 437 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: do normy things, which is what the Democratic Party needs. 438 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: By the way, can I say that both the riot 439 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: story and this story broke at the end of the 440 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: week where we had the most Jerry Springer esque break up. 441 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, Trump and Elon Musk, Like, the right is 442 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: just like falling flat on its face and like very 443 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: comically having this blow up, and the left is like, 444 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: but we can out do that. 445 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 3: I think we can out do it. 446 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 2: They're like, watch this, it's funny because we recorded our episode, 447 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: so we recorded on Wednesday. 448 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 4: This all hit on Thursday. 449 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: After our episode aired, the Elon and Trump fiasco, And 450 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: I have to say, our number one fan, my husband, 451 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: said that we should have done a special episode to 452 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: address it. Maybe we'll consider stuff like that in the future, 453 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: but we didn't in this case. 454 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 4: So now it's been a few days and. 455 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: Elon is like tweeting through it. Yesterday he retweeted jd 456 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 2: Vance praising Donald Trump with a little American flag. It 457 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: felt very reminiscent of the show Seinfeld when George quits 458 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: his job in a huff and then regrets it and 459 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 2: just shows up on Monday hoping that everybody forgot it. 460 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is like three days after he retweeted 461 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: the idea approvingly that we should impeach Donald Trump, fans 462 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: should become president, and he's like, oh. He also threatened 463 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: at one point to decommission some of his rocket technology. 464 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: I do think there are risks for everybody here for 465 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: the GOP in the future, for he has promised to 466 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: spend a bunch of money for Elon himself, who has 467 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: these businesses that are entangled with the government, as all 468 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: businesses are at this point, where particularly space travel businesses 469 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: to the American people who might lose out on the 470 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: actually really good stuff he does. 471 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: And actually some like tiny account tweeted at him and 472 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 2: said like, please don't decommission this rocket, like we need you. 473 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 4: We kind of all need to be together, and he's like, okay, fine. 474 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 3: I won't. 475 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very reachable. 476 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: He is and like, look, both of these men are 477 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: somewhat volatile. The funny thing about this blow up is 478 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: that Trump, even though Trump at one point at the 479 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: high Road, you know, Trump at one was like, maybe 480 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,479 Speaker 1: we'll cancel all his contracts, But largely he looked like 481 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: the calmer of the two. And I do think accusing 482 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: Trump of being on Epstein's list, which is without evidence, absolutely, 483 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: and if Democrats had that information inside the federal government 484 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: at any point, we would have known about it by now. Like, 485 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: coming back from this is going to be tough, but 486 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: there's always the chance with these guys that like half 487 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: of it is pro wrestling fighting. 488 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 4: That's the thing. 489 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 2: All of my friends who are very committed MAGA people 490 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: were extremely upset about it, Like, are the people who 491 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 2: are having a good time and we're enjoying it. Are 492 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: the people who don't like Trump or don't like Musk 493 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: or don't like both of them? 494 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 4: And they were like, this is amazing. 495 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 2: But the people who really like Trump did not like 496 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 2: him falling out with Elon. It was uh, you know, 497 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: I heard from friends that were like, please tell me 498 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 2: this is fake, Please tell me this is just trolling. 499 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: I couldn't tell them that because I didn't think it 500 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 2: was again accusing somebody of being a child molester. Accusing 501 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: the President of the United States being child molester is 502 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 2: sort of it's across the line. 503 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, yeah, that's a pretty clear line. 504 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: And they had been so I think, look, Trump has 505 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: always seemed quite affectionate toward Elus, right, yeah, including in 506 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: the meeting that they had in the Oval Office last 507 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: week where he's handing him the key to the White House, 508 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: and like, look, I wish that doge had been done 509 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: less mercurially and more professionally, and that you could like 510 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: I had higher hopes for that than were realized. But 511 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: I always have higher hopes than are realized because it's 512 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: the federal government. But so like part of it is 513 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: just like move along, go back to the things that 514 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: you're good at. 515 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 3: But they were on such good terms and then all 516 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 3: of a sudden it was like, right, like sad out 517 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 3: of hand. 518 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: But maybe they're finding a way back, as Elon kind 519 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 2: of lovingly retweets him, which is really all Trump wants 520 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 2: is admiration and retweets. 521 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: And he's still the world's richest man, which means he's 522 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: got cachet in a little power. I will note I 523 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: saw somebody tweet I should really verify this first. What 524 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: the hell I saw somebody tweet that Bill Gates made 525 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: a visit to the White House while this dust up is. 526 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 3: Happening, So like tech bro exactly, He's like, I'm rich. 527 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: Dude, We're going to take a short break and come 528 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 2: right back with normally the other dust up this weekend. 529 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 4: I got it. 530 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 2: Just can you guys not do it on weekends. 531 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 3: Like every weekend? 532 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 4: Take some weekends off. 533 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: So out of nowhere, Seemingly, Simon Biles tweets bully someone 534 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: your own size, which would ironically. 535 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 4: Be a male Riley Gaines. 536 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 2: Making fun of Riley Gaines's buff amazing body is kind 537 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: of just a really low blow and confusing because some 538 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 2: Biles has a pretty buff body. 539 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: So it's crazy to me that in this discussion, which 540 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: to my knowledge she's never been in before, she decided 541 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: on a Saturday night to jump in with body shaming 542 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: a female athlete. We're having lots of muscles, Like, my friend, 543 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: you have so many muscles. I am in support of 544 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: both of you having all those muscles. I don't know 545 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: why you started out by saying like, oh, let's conform 546 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: to traditional feminine beauty standards and not be strong, was 547 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: her first outing bizarre on this she went she went 548 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: harder by saying, at Riley Gains, you're truly sick all 549 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: of this campaigning because you lost. 550 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: A race, straight up sore loser. 551 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: You should be uplifting the trans community and perhaps finding 552 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: a way to make sports inclusive or creating a new 553 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: avenue where trans feel safe in sports. Maybe a transgender 554 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: category in all sports? Okay, can I just say. 555 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, go ahead, I was going to say this. 556 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: You know who had been be an interesting and powerful 557 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: leader to do that. Yeah, so Mbiles right, if she 558 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: wants a third category, it also acknowledges, yeah, that they're 559 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: not the same as women. 560 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 3: Right. 561 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 2: But I also want to say that, until five minutes ago, 562 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: saying that we should have a separate transgender category was 563 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: anti trans Literally, if you look up conversations from a 564 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: year ago, you'll find that conservatives were saying we should 565 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: have a separate category. Obviously, kids who identify as something 566 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: else should be able to play in sports anyway, but 567 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 2: they clearly can't compete. Boys cannot be in girls' sports, 568 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: So that transgender category is only now okay to say, 569 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: and only because people like Riley Gaines made this conversation 570 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 2: a national topic. 571 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: Yes, and by the way, the bullying to which she 572 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: refers is simply pointing out that boys are competing with girls. 573 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: There is a Minnesota softball team that won its state 574 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: championship because there's a guy throwing heater from the mound 575 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: underhanded to young women, and so that that pitcher pitched 576 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of shutouts and they won the state championship. 577 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: Riley points this out, and this is considered bullying ridiculously. 578 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: It's bullying from everyone involved to let this person steal 579 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: prestige from women who have worked really hard to get 580 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: to the state championship. And by the way, one thing 581 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: that annoys me about these one percent or female athletes 582 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: as a mediocre female athlete myself, once you have reached 583 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: the heights of a Simone Biles or a Megan Rappino, right, 584 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: first of all, you didn't have to come up through 585 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: a system in which there was a threat of men 586 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: repeating against you at any point. You got to the 587 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: absolute pinnacle. And like Simone Biles may never be surpassed. 588 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: You get to the absolute pinnacle and then you're like, oh, 589 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: but these guys like they're not important, like their dream 590 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: isn't as important as what mine was. I'm totally insulated 591 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: from this. Have accomplished everything I want to accomplish. 592 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 4: Before it held that ladder up. 593 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now I'm just gonna pull latter up. And 594 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: by the way, elite gymnasts in particular are insulated from 595 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: this in a way that more amateur or like lower 596 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: level gymnasts are not so USA Gymnastics I read from 597 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: Jennifer Say, who's an expert in this allows transjitter athletes 598 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: up until you get to like the varying lead levels, 599 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: because they know that that's not fair right lower down 600 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: and you're trying to make your dream happen. 601 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 3: Who might run up against a Marissa. 602 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 2: Those girls should should have to compete against the boys. 603 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 2: But once you reach elite levels, like you know, Simone Biles, 604 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: obviously all bets are off. 605 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 3: It's disappointing. I'm it makes me sad. 606 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 2: It's unfortunate. And there was a big tennis match. I 607 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 2: don't I don't follow tennis. I gotta tell you it 608 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: was one of those things. But Coco Goff is from 609 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: South Florida, and the people of South Florida were losing 610 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: their minds when she so I do know a little 611 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 2: bit about that. 612 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 4: But she is the cutest. 613 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 614 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: She won the French Open at I believe she's twenty 615 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: one years old. I believe she's following a similar track 616 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: to Serena Williams when it comes to accomplishing these amazing 617 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: things that I'm at stunning ages. And she just seems 618 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: like the most positive, positive, kindest, sweetest athlete. Yeah, And 619 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: I've admired her every time I've seen her win something 620 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: thus far because she always just seems cool. And she 621 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: was showing on TikTok today her little apparently you don't 622 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: get to take the trophy trophy, you get a minier 623 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: true trophy, and she's like, it's like carry on size. 624 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 3: And she's disapplaining. It's everyone adorable. She's get fresh air. 625 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 5: Yeah. 626 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 4: I hope it stays that way. 627 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: And maybe and she won't have to compete against dudes, 628 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: say high school tennis, who has to do that. 629 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 4: Well. Thanks for joining us on normally normally. 630 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 2: Airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere you 631 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 2: get your podcas casts. Get in touch with us at 632 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 2: normallythepod at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening and when 633 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 2: things get weird, act normally