WEBVTT - #731 Packers Unscripted: Tough loss

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkoitz. We're coming to you

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<v Speaker 1>hear from our studios at lambeau Field, and unfortunately, Wes,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to talk about a difficult defeat Sunday in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>The Packers fall to the Falcons twenty five to twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>getting outscored thirteen to nil in the fourth quarter. Packers

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<v Speaker 1>let this one get away. There's no two ways about it.

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<v Speaker 1>They played pretty darn good football for three quarters, but

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<v Speaker 1>it all kind of unraveled on both sides of the

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<v Speaker 1>ball in the fourth quarter, and they came back from

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta with a lot of regrets.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think the tough thing about this and

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<v Speaker 2>I know I notice it with our fans the Insider

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<v Speaker 2>Inbox column. These losses are always difficult because you don't

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<v Speaker 2>get blown out, you don't you know, there isn't one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that you can point to. It's just fifteen minutes

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<v Speaker 2>of regrettable football at the end of that game. And Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Lafleura, it's not a big thing. I know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna draw the most headlines, but he hit it

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<v Speaker 2>on the head afterwards, and he reiterated on Monday, complimentary

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<v Speaker 2>football in this league is so important. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the Atlanta Falcons and what they did in

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth quarter and the people that stepped up, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Bjhon Robinson's pretty darn good. Yeah, Desmond Ritter made some

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<v Speaker 2>good plays, some good checks. But it was across the

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<v Speaker 2>board with players stepping up. For the green Bay Packers,

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<v Speaker 2>they just didn't have that one guy that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>put it on their shoulders. So not that you need

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<v Speaker 2>it to be one guy, but sometimes that's where you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the game against Chicago and you're like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron Jones, that offensive line that gave them the spark.

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay needed a spark in the fourth quarter, and

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<v Speaker 2>they just couldn't find one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was the thing, is it? As that fourth

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<v Speaker 1>quarter was unfolding, the Packers began it with a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four to twelve lead. The Early in the fourth quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>the Falcons hit a forty five yard deep shot down

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<v Speaker 1>the field that put them into scoring range. And so

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<v Speaker 1>even though the Packers were up by twelve point, once

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<v Speaker 1>they hit that big shot, they were down in the

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<v Speaker 1>red zone. It was like, okay, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is game on for an entire fourth quarter and

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers just never, whether it was on offense or defense,

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<v Speaker 1>were never able to make a play that even started

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<v Speaker 1>to shift the momentum. If if the defense got a

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<v Speaker 1>third down stop, they gave up a fourth down conversion,

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<v Speaker 1>or the Falcons were kicking a field goal, the offense

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<v Speaker 1>was unable to get a first down. The last three

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<v Speaker 1>possessions a three and out, a three and out, and

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<v Speaker 1>a four and out. Both sides of the ball had

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities to turn the tie to get things going back

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<v Speaker 1>in the right direction. And it's really too bad because

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<v Speaker 1>if the Packers had been able to either hang on

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<v Speaker 1>or find a way with that final possession with fifty

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<v Speaker 1>seven seconds left to get the points that would have

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<v Speaker 1>been needed to win this game, it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>such an uplifting victory. Because you went into this game

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<v Speaker 1>without Christian Watson, without Aaron Jones. You find out ninety

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<v Speaker 1>minutes before kickoff, David Baktiari can't play. Those are three

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<v Speaker 1>of your most important, most valuable players on the entire offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet everything was going just fine until the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the game, and give the Falcons credit when the play

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<v Speaker 1>when the Chips were down, as you said in Insider Inbox,

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<v Speaker 1>when the chips were down and the plays had to

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<v Speaker 1>be made, the Falcons were the ones that made them.

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<v Speaker 1>The Packers didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, And unfortunately not every quarter is created equal. In

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth quarter, if you win that one as decisively

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<v Speaker 2>as the Falcons did one hundred and sixty six total

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<v Speaker 2>yards to eleven, obviously the points swing that you just

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<v Speaker 2>touched on, it's going to be something that catapults you

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<v Speaker 2>to a victory. To quickly pull a great line from

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<v Speaker 2>the wonderful Dom Capers, I will start with the positives

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<v Speaker 2>for a second, and the positive that my takeaway was

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<v Speaker 2>is that this game showed you again how much of

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<v Speaker 2>a gamer Jordan Love is a lot of things working

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<v Speaker 2>against this offense. You don't have Christian wattson in week two. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>now you know you're not gonna have Aaron Jones. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't have your all pro left tackle, you lose Elton Jenkins.

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<v Speaker 2>All the depth that I spent training camp talking about

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<v Speaker 2>of oh you got the veterans where you need them,

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<v Speaker 2>Well it got young real quick, and Jordan Love still

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<v Speaker 2>rallied the guys. He still made the most of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love the play call. I probably have beaten

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<v Speaker 2>it to death more than anybody else on the beat,

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<v Speaker 2>but being aggressive early on with the flea flicker giving

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<v Speaker 2>them something to sort of set the tone, to give

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<v Speaker 2>you that feather in your cap. Matt Lafleur and the offense.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the way they started this thing off with

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<v Speaker 2>the first fifteen scripted plays. It was just a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of execution and the green bit Packers, for better or worse,

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of turned into this game where you either

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<v Speaker 2>were on a scoring drive you kind of were going

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<v Speaker 2>three and out, and unfortunately the three and oults came

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<v Speaker 2>at the wrong time in the fourth quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I want to get to the young players

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<v Speaker 1>for the Packers that stepped up on offense and gave

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<v Speaker 1>them a chance to win this game. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing, and we don't need to go through

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<v Speaker 1>chapter and verse on everything that went wrong in the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter. There was you know, the fourth and four

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<v Speaker 1>with the read option play, the zone read play by

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<v Speaker 1>the Falcons. You regret that when there's the third and

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<v Speaker 1>one on offense with aj Dillon at that one. But

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Lafleur also made a point on Monday to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not as though the first three quarters

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<v Speaker 1>of this game film were you know, pristine, totally clean football.

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<v Speaker 1>The Packers had a ton of missed opportunities, whether you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, you know, taking a delay of game on

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<v Speaker 1>a field goal which then pushes you know, the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>five yards further back, and Lafleur decides not to try

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<v Speaker 1>from fifty six yards and play the field position game

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<v Speaker 1>there off off of the first possession, so the flea

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<v Speaker 1>flicker which drew the defensive pass interference ends up going

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<v Speaker 1>to waste there. Rasull Douglass gets an interception early in

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<v Speaker 1>the ballgame, but then on a third down you have

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<v Speaker 1>a miscommunication on pass protection. Jordan Love gets sacked by

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<v Speaker 1>a free runner, a free blitzer, so that turnover is

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<v Speaker 1>not turn into points again the complimentary football thing. Defensively,

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers dropped two interceptions that hit him right in

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<v Speaker 1>the hands, right in the chest. However you want, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to say, it's so there were there were all

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<v Speaker 1>of these missed opportunities where yes, the Packers had a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four to twelve lead after three quarters, but when

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at it strictly from the Green Bay perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>and certainly there were things Atlanta did wrong, and they

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<v Speaker 1>had their regrets in the first three quarters as well,

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<v Speaker 1>But the Packers really felt like they should have been

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<v Speaker 1>ahead by a lot more than twelve points after three quarters.

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<v Speaker 1>But then what it comes down to is in the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter, And this is what the NFL is all about,

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<v Speaker 1>is when it's crunch time, when it's game on the line,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to call it winning time or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>phrase you want to use. What you do in those

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<v Speaker 1>moments either either magnifies your regrets from earlier in the game,

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<v Speaker 1>or it erases them, it takes them away. The Packers

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<v Speaker 1>regrets became magnified, and the Falcons got to forget about

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<v Speaker 1>all theirs because they walked out with a win.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, Mike, I don't want to pat

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves in the back, because that's now why I'm saying here.

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<v Speaker 2>But what did you and I talk about the most

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<v Speaker 2>last week? There were two big tangibles I thought were

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<v Speaker 2>in this matchup. It was, as you wrote in you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one last look, who wins the ground game? Where's that

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<v Speaker 2>game decided? And then the turnover margin Green they actually

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<v Speaker 2>managed to win the turnovers in this with that pick

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<v Speaker 2>from Rasoul Douglas. But how different is this football game

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<v Speaker 2>if that is three to zero or as Rasul even

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<v Speaker 2>said in the locker room afterwards, five oh five. Because

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<v Speaker 2>Rudy Ford had his hand on a ball.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there were yeah, there were some deflected balls

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<v Speaker 1>that deflected up in the air and the Packers couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>come down with him.

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<v Speaker 2>The jay Yere one would have been a spectacular play

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<v Speaker 2>if he made it. It would have been probably a

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<v Speaker 2>highlight reel type play. The real gut punch for me, though,

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<v Speaker 2>was the Quay one, just because it was almost a

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<v Speaker 2>carbon copy exactly Chicago. He had a own drop, he

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<v Speaker 2>had the read. It was something the Packers were looking

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<v Speaker 2>for and you just couldn't quite bring.

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<v Speaker 1>It in a young quarterback who just didn't see him

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<v Speaker 1>and threw the ball right to him. And and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was it was You're right. It was a carbon

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<v Speaker 1>copy of Chicago. He caught the one in Chicago. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't catch this one. That's what that's that happens.

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<v Speaker 2>And last thing I'll just say on this quickly, b

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<v Speaker 2>Jon Robinson came his advertise a really explosive young man

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<v Speaker 2>two way player, as I joked an insideerr inbox, not

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<v Speaker 2>even really a joke, it's the truth. You're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>happy that he didn't end up in the NFC North.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this guy looks like he's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>real problem down in the South. But the other aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of it, tip your cap to Desmond Ridder, because I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't give him a whole lot of respect going in

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<v Speaker 2>this thing. I wasn't overlooking him. But you just to

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<v Speaker 2>see the stats. You see how they play conservatively, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, okay, like how good is this guy? What

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to do, what Arthur Smith's trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>down there in Atlanta? The young man runs it really well.

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<v Speaker 2>He had some good checks that that that slant play

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<v Speaker 2>that Matt Lafleur talked about on the third down to

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<v Speaker 2>be Jon Robinson. People can talk whatever they want about

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<v Speaker 2>the containment on the keeper on the fourth and goal, Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>When I finally noticed he had the ball, he was

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<v Speaker 2>crossing the end zone. I mean, it was a really

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<v Speaker 2>good look. You have to defend it better. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>Atlanta did an exceptional job of executing their offense, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was the difference.

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<v Speaker 1>Late yeah, I don't like. I don't want to. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to take credit away from Atlanta. I certainly don't.

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<v Speaker 1>But but I'm you know, I'm not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>on the Desmond Ridder bandwagon after what I thought should

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<v Speaker 1>have been a three interception game for a young quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he really played all that well quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>But the difference in the game was Bjon Robinson. Because yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers struggled to stop the run all game long.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was a problem. But what made it

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger problem is that when they were in position

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<v Speaker 1>on a lot of plays to stop the run and

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<v Speaker 1>the players were where they were supposed to be, Jon

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson just made guys miss. And so that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not about that's not about scheme, that's not about

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<v Speaker 1>the call, that's not about whatever. That's about getting a really,

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<v Speaker 1>really dynamic offensive weapon on the ground. And there was

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<v Speaker 1>one play Matt Lafuur even talked about it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly the one he's talking about, where Robinson made

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<v Speaker 1>four guys miss in a span of about a second

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<v Speaker 1>and a half. And that you know, we had talked

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<v Speaker 1>about that all last week, about about Okay, where is

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<v Speaker 1>your tackling going to be in this game? And are

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<v Speaker 1>you going to be able to is a mistackle going

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<v Speaker 1>to lead to an explosive run or is a mistackle

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<v Speaker 1>just going to lead to a couple of extra yards?

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<v Speaker 1>And uh and Robinson was Robinson was the was the

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<v Speaker 1>difference in this game, hands down. When they had they

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<v Speaker 1>had those fourth and ones, they knew that we're just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna give the ball to number seven and he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>find a way to uh to move the chains. And

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<v Speaker 1>even on some fourth and ones he's getting five seven

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<v Speaker 1>yard runs that are that are pushing the ball downfield

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<v Speaker 1>just too much, too much for the Packers to it

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<v Speaker 1>made a.

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<v Speaker 2>Good adjustment to I mean, they stopped trying to run

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<v Speaker 2>at Kenny Clark after the first quarter and they started

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<v Speaker 2>to get more of the wide zone going. And when

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<v Speaker 2>you have a guy that can accelerate that quickly and

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<v Speaker 2>being able to win on the edges.

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<v Speaker 1>And cut and cut that quickly and and and move

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<v Speaker 1>and the ship the shiftiness of it, and the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>just couldn't handle it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. That was a real challenge. And again

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<v Speaker 2>it's Mike, this isn't new. We we talked about this

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<v Speaker 2>even before the opener. The Packers have some real tests

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<v Speaker 2>coming up. Now. They're gonna avoid Elvin Kamara because it's

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<v Speaker 2>the suspension, and you know, but you still got Gibbs

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<v Speaker 2>after that, you still got you know, Josh Jacobs coming

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<v Speaker 2>down the pipe. They have some tough run offenses they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna face, and you have to learn those lessons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think that's I think that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the tough thing, because you know how this league

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<v Speaker 1>works west. I mean, yes, opponents, you spend some time

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<v Speaker 1>looking at, you know, the previous year's game film and

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<v Speaker 1>whatnot when you're preparing early in the season. Once you

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<v Speaker 1>get a couple of games on film, then everybody's looking

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<v Speaker 1>at those in terms of how they game plan. This

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<v Speaker 1>performance run defense wise is now on film for every

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<v Speaker 1>single Packers opponent to look at and to pick apart

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<v Speaker 1>and to devise their game plan. The Packers are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be forced to stop the run to improve in

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<v Speaker 1>that area, and they can't. You're not just gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>able to take the field and say, all right, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to score a bunch of points and take the

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<v Speaker 1>other team out of their running game. It was twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four to twelve going into the fourth quarter, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Falcons were like, no, we're not giving right, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna keep running the football and because they knew

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<v Speaker 1>there would be enough possessions left in the game to win,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what they were able to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Did it with really good tempo too. I was impressed

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<v Speaker 2>by that they got in and out of their their

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<v Speaker 2>calls pretty quick, and that's that's not always easy to

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<v Speaker 2>do in run calls.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where and that's where I do give rid

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<v Speaker 1>Or credit. And when you had mentioned the way he

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<v Speaker 1>ran some checks, checked out a certain things. You saw

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<v Speaker 1>the way they were running motions, getting a read on

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<v Speaker 1>what the Packers were doing defensively. They had the time

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<v Speaker 1>on the play clock to do that, and they made

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers pay. I do want to get to some

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<v Speaker 1>of those bright spots, certainly talking about young players first,

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<v Speaker 1>spots and what the Packers were able to do here,

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<v Speaker 1>it starts with the rookie wide receivers Jaden Reid with

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<v Speaker 1>two touchdowns, Dontavian Wicks with another one. Wicks was the

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<v Speaker 1>target on the opening play flea flicker that drew the

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<v Speaker 1>pass interference penalty. Christian Watson was not in this game.

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<v Speaker 1>Romeo Dobbs got a lot of attention from the Falcons

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<v Speaker 1>in their secondary, and those the two rookies the second

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<v Speaker 1>rounder and Reid the fifth rounder, and Wicks, those guys

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<v Speaker 1>stepped up and gave gave Jordan Love good targets and

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<v Speaker 1>they made some very efficient and important plays in this

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<v Speaker 1>football game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Mike, you got a chance to see Greg and

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<v Speaker 2>Greg Jennings and James Jones right off the bat. I

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<v Speaker 2>did not in terms of actually covering them, But I

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<v Speaker 2>remember that twenty eleven season, and although I wasn't full

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<v Speaker 2>time on the beat yet, I remember watching Randall Cobb

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<v Speaker 2>and the limited opportunities he got that season. Just how

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<v Speaker 2>much poise he showed, and just for a guy that

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<v Speaker 2>entered the league at twenty years old, the first nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety birth year in the National Football League, but he

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<v Speaker 2>looks so much more mature than that. Jayden Reid gives

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<v Speaker 2>me those same vibes. I mean, he's just a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that gets it. That's not to say that you know

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<v Speaker 2>he won't make mistakes. They're gonna come, yeah, But the

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<v Speaker 2>receiver position, and especially with him on punt returns, that

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<v Speaker 2>is a position where you can't be a deer in

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<v Speaker 2>the headlights. You have to be ready for it. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to be prepared, and you have to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to stand up at those times. I really like what

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen from Reid, and again it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a work in progress. The Packers have to find themselves here.

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<v Speaker 2>They got to rally back from this loss. But you

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<v Speaker 2>just sit there and think, man, oh man, if they

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<v Speaker 2>can get Christian Watson back, we'll see when it happens.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reps that Reid has taken, even Wix getting

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<v Speaker 2>a big confidence boost for his thirty two yard touchdown

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<v Speaker 2>in Romeo, Dobbs just being so consistent despite coming off

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<v Speaker 2>of that hamstring injury. The Packers have a wide array

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<v Speaker 2>of receiving options here, and I think a guy like

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<v Speaker 2>Reid is only going to keep getting better.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And but even as good a game as Jayden

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<v Speaker 1>Reid had, they're dealing with the offense with Love and

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<v Speaker 1>Reid and the ups and downs that go along with it.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a play early in the game where Reid

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have his head turned and the ball kind of

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<v Speaker 1>whizzes past him right. And then on the first play

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<v Speaker 1>of the final drive, Love and Reed just not quite

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<v Speaker 1>on the same page where he's running a quick stop

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<v Speaker 1>route and Love thought maybe he was gonna, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>turn a different way or something, and and the balls

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit off target. So you're you're still you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're dealing with You're dealing with those ups and downs.

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<v Speaker 1>But I am totally on board with you. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>love what you see. There is a there's a smoothness

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<v Speaker 1>to his game. There is there is this presence that

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<v Speaker 1>he has out there that just says, I belong in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL and I and I fit here, And and

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about it all through training camp in

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<v Speaker 1>the preseason, how he just looks like he fits this

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<v Speaker 1>offense and the things that Matt Lafleur wants to do

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<v Speaker 1>with a receiver with with that kind of skill set.

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<v Speaker 2>So and the other thing. Unfortunately you cover the press conferences.

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<v Speaker 2>I go into the postgame, you know, locker room. I

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<v Speaker 2>was in the Jaden Reid scrum when they won and

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<v Speaker 2>when they lost. And he's the same dude. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>was there for it. He had his foot up against

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<v Speaker 2>the locker saying, hey, it is what it is. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to learn from it. That that goes a long way.

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<v Speaker 2>They got a lot of those guys in that locker

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<v Speaker 2>room too.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things I'll point out too, because we've

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the flea flicker, this is this this the second

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<v Speaker 1>game in a row we've seen some real creativity from

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Lafleur and his offensive coaching staff because they came

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<v Speaker 1>out in the second half against Chicago looking for a

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<v Speaker 1>spark offensively and they called the throwback screen. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>real deceptive play and everything. They took the field at

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<v Speaker 1>Mercedes Benz Stadium, you know, all the noise in that

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<v Speaker 1>dome and everything, and the first play of the game

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<v Speaker 1>they run, they run the flea flicker. Not afraid to

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<v Speaker 1>try to try some of this stuff to provide to

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<v Speaker 1>provide a spark and you know, really other than you know, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there were there were certainly breakdowns in the running game.

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<v Speaker 1>There was the one miscommunication and pass protection that led

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<v Speaker 1>to a sack. One of the plays on the final drive,

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Love was under pressure and unfortunately couldn't get a

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<v Speaker 1>deep ball to read where Reed had actually run a

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<v Speaker 1>really good route and had beaten his man, but Love

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<v Speaker 1>just wasn't able to step into the throw. So again

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<v Speaker 1>another regret there. But the Packers, you know, Rashid Walker

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<v Speaker 1>stepped in at left tackle for David you had Royce

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<v Speaker 1>Newman ended up stepping in for Elton Jenkins. Sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>Jenkins is going to be out a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 1>at a minimum with a knee injury, and yosh Nimen

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<v Speaker 1>coming in and playing some snaps of tackle when Rashid

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<v Speaker 1>Walker is playing as the sixth thougher lineman kind of

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<v Speaker 1>that extra tight end thing, whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 1>Packers had a lot of moving parts on the offensive

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<v Speaker 1>line in this game, and unfortunately things just didn't come

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<v Speaker 1>together in the fourth quarter. But twenty four points through

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<v Speaker 1>the first three quarters on the road, that's not a

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<v Speaker 1>bad performance. You just wish they could have added you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all they needed was one drive and you don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know if they necessarily needed points. They needed one drive

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<v Speaker 1>something to get to get going, to move the chains,

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<v Speaker 1>to flip the field, to kill some clock, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>take your pick. And unfortunately, just the fourth quarter didn't

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<v Speaker 1>live up to how they had performed in the first thing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and I think it ultimately, Yeah, it's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>get into a rhythm when you're you know, when you

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<v Speaker 2>have one team that controls the ball for thirty six minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>it runs seventy eight, seventy six plays whatever it was,

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<v Speaker 2>and the other one's at forty seven. Yeah, and unlike

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<v Speaker 2>out of the you know, the break in Chicago where

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<v Speaker 2>you had Aaron Jones, you had a veteran to turn

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<v Speaker 2>to Green Bay didn't really have that in this game.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that showed down the stretch. But I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you what, man, those are the type of crucibles though,

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<v Speaker 2>that guys learned from, especially when you have to like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of look at each other and be like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>how are we going to figure this thing out? And

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be an eighteen week ride and you

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<v Speaker 2>hope that obviously it gets you to its peak by

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<v Speaker 2>the end of it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the New Orleans Saints are up next for the

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<v Speaker 1>home opener. Four days after that, the Detroit Lions will

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<v Speaker 1>be coming in. So it's worth talking about where things

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<v Speaker 1>stand in the NFC North.

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<v Speaker 2>The same as last week, Packers.

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<v Speaker 1>And Lions at one and one. The Vikings and Bears

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<v Speaker 1>are at zero and two. So nobody in the NFC

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<v Speaker 1>North emerged from the first two weeks of the season unscathed.

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<v Speaker 1>The Lions are certainly, you know, regretting what went down

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<v Speaker 1>for them on Sunday because they had gotten the big

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<v Speaker 1>win on the road over the Chiefs. They've got their

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<v Speaker 1>home opener, all their fans behind them. The Seattle Seahawks,

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<v Speaker 1>who had lost a tough home game in week one,

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<v Speaker 1>they come in and, you know, kind of a shootout,

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<v Speaker 1>much like the Lions and the Seahawks have had those

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of kinds of games in the past. It was

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<v Speaker 1>interesting catching the highlights later how that game unfolded. Jared

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<v Speaker 1>Goff threw a pick six in the fourth quarter. It

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<v Speaker 1>looked like the Lions were dead and gone. They come back.

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<v Speaker 1>They score ten points down the stretch in the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>quarter to force overtime, but then their defense can't get

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<v Speaker 1>off the field in overtime, they give up the opening

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown drive and the Lions aren't able to get the

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<v Speaker 1>ball back on offense in the OT so Seattle leaves

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit one and one. Detroit comes out of that at

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<v Speaker 1>one and one. And we'll see here after week three

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<v Speaker 1>with when the Lions and the Packers will both be

0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.159
<v Speaker 1>on a short week. Who's going to be two and one? Who?

0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Who is somebody going to be one and two? Long

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<v Speaker 1>way to go here, but it's already looking like that

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<v Speaker 1>that Week four game at Lambeufield is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>awfully big. No matter what happens in Week three.

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<v Speaker 2>It will be. And again we're really earlier in the week,

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<v Speaker 2>but it sounds like David Montgomery here possibly a thigh injury,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, potentially taking him down. That was another thing

0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.760
<v Speaker 2>you and I talked about in preseason that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a talented guy, but he's had a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>injuries and that was one of the issues that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of prevented him from being in every down player consistently

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<v Speaker 2>for the Bears. That's gonna be big because it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like Gibbs as talented as this young man is. The

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<v Speaker 2>pass pro is probably the area game where he's still

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<v Speaker 2>trying to catch up. There is no Jamal Williams to

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<v Speaker 2>go back to, very interested to see how they handle that.

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<v Speaker 2>This doesn't have anything to do with the North, but

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, a real nice, strong gut check by Seattle,

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<v Speaker 2>a disappointing loss, they rally back for a win on

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<v Speaker 2>the road. I thought Gino Smith showed a lot of poise,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly when you have someone like Tyler Lockett, who

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of quiet in Week one, being able to

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<v Speaker 2>bounce back the way he did. A lot of talented

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<v Speaker 2>teams in the NFC, I mean, I think there's a

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<v Speaker 2>few that have sort of really separated themselves early on,

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<v Speaker 2>but especially in this division, in the NFC North, it

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be anyone's race, and even a team

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<v Speaker 2>like Chicago that is really struggling right now, there's still

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<v Speaker 2>only one game behind here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, and you know that the Vikings

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<v Speaker 1>are as happy as anyone that both the Packers and

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<v Speaker 1>the Lions lost in Week two, because the Vikings had

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<v Speaker 1>that tough task going to play Thursday night football at Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 1>They gave the Eagles a run for their money, ended

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<v Speaker 1>up losing that ended up losing that game by one score.

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<v Speaker 1>The Vikings are oh and two, but now they get

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of extra rest heading into week three,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're looking at it as hey, yeah, we're owing two,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're only one game out of the of the

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<v Speaker 1>NFC North lead, and it sure feels like it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to take a while to see if anybody in this

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<v Speaker 1>division is actually going to be able to take control

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<v Speaker 1>of things.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's funny, it seems like every year we do

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<v Speaker 2>this show and we start talking about games in week

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<v Speaker 2>two and week three and week four in the narrow

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<v Speaker 2>margin of victory. Yep, you have the Minnesota Vikings at

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<v Speaker 2>oh and two now going to be going up against

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<v Speaker 2>an LA Chargers team that is oh and two and

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<v Speaker 2>has lost those two games by combined three points. Right now,

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<v Speaker 2>Austin Eichler, we'll talk about this later in the week.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether or not he's back, whether or not he's not,

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<v Speaker 2>that changes the entire complex this game. As I was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about yesterday, you know Dalton Reisner now signing with

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<v Speaker 2>the Vikings after their banged up offensive line, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get some more depth moves and counter moves yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>seeing exactly how those things are going to equate to

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<v Speaker 2>a win. It will be interesting to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And everybody's talking about that seat getting hot under

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Staley with the Chargers after the playoff Debaco last year,

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<v Speaker 1>and now they're starting zero to two and twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>they've got the Vikings. On Sunday, the Packers are gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have their hands full with a Saints team that is

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<v Speaker 1>coming into Lambellfield at two to zero off of a

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<v Speaker 1>road Monday night victory over the Panthers. We will talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that and that entire Saints team some more on

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<v Speaker 1>our next show, but for now, we'll call it a

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<v Speaker 1>rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>follow all of our coverage of the team on Packers

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. For Wes, I'm Mike. Thank you for tuning

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<v Speaker 1>in everybody. We will see you next time.