WEBVTT - Concern grows over Kyle Harrison

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to another episode of Brewer Territory.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm your host, Kurt Hogue, here alongside, wait, what's that? Where's,

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<v Speaker 2>JP and Corey aren't here. It is a special, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess special if you want to call it that, episode,

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<v Speaker 2>solo episode of Brewer Territory today, hosted by myself. JP

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<v Speaker 2>and Corey are enjoying their Labor Day weekend, their well-deserved

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<v Speaker 2>time off on rivers, boats, oceans, I don't, some body of,

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<v Speaker 2>unknown bodies of water, that's where they are. getting some

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<v Speaker 2>nice time off with their families. And I'm at the

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati airport where the Brewers, I guess it wasn't at

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<v Speaker 2>the airport, the Brewers did just drop a three-game series

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<v Speaker 2>to the Cincinnati Reds about 10 miles away in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple rough games to finish in. I'm not just

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the rain delays that had me there at

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<v Speaker 2>the ballpark for about five and a half hours of

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<v Speaker 2>the game until 1 a.m.

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<v Speaker 1>On, what night was that? That was Saturday night. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a long night.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not here to listen to me complain about me

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<v Speaker 2>having to do my job, even though I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>do that a couple more times this episode, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of how this series was. The games were long.

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<v Speaker 2>They were dragged out. They weren't particularly well played. Apologies

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<v Speaker 2>to you. You may be hearing, hopefully not, you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Hearing the airline announcements in the background. That's just what

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<v Speaker 1>we're rolling with.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, it's a special one-off solo edition of

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<v Speaker 2>River Territory while my guys are out on the water.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into it with.

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<v Speaker 2>I think was the big storyline from the weekend, especially

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<v Speaker 2>the last two days, which was Kyle Harrison struggling again

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday. Didn't make it out of the fourth inning.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the second straight start of three and two-thirds

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<v Speaker 2>innings for him. He allowed six runs.

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<v Speaker 1>Four of them were earned.

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<v Speaker 2>Strikeout four allowed 13 base runners. And if you're curious, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that was the first time a free starter has allowed

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<v Speaker 2>13 more base runners in four or fewer innings since that.

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<v Speaker 2>jimmy nelson in 2017 so that's great company uh not

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<v Speaker 2>so much for him to be keeping look there's ramifications

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<v Speaker 2>of this of like what's his role going to be

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<v Speaker 2>pat murphy had some interesting comments we'll get to that

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<v Speaker 2>here in a second but the the greater concern isn't

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<v Speaker 2>so much where is he going to pitch i think

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<v Speaker 2>as much as it is is he going to pitch

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<v Speaker 2>in the postseason because like this is a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>He was one of the best starters in baseball for

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<v Speaker 2>three months. You saw the numbers. You watched it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>ERA in the twos. There was real, real all-star potential

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<v Speaker 2>for him. The forearm injury, the arm strain, suffered it.

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<v Speaker 2>And in early July, you started seeing some signs there

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<v Speaker 2>in a couple of those outings. Forced him to miss

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<v Speaker 2>an entire month.

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<v Speaker 1>Came back. The velo hasn't been the same. The stuff

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<v Speaker 1>also hasn't been the same.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's, for me, I mean, going into this week,

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<v Speaker 2>that was a cause for maybe like a five, Five,

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<v Speaker 2>four to five out of ten on that patented brewery

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<v Speaker 2>territory concern scale. And now we're at a full-blown eight

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<v Speaker 2>or nine simply because, look, the results aren't there, but

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<v Speaker 2>the process and the stuff has not been there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're watching this weekend. You saw the basketball

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<v Speaker 1>sitting 93-94.

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<v Speaker 2>The Vela was maybe a little bit better today than

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<v Speaker 2>it was earlier this week at Wrigley when he did

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<v Speaker 2>give up nine runs in three and two-thirds. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a few more flashes, but with Kyle Harrison, it's, it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty simple, right? There's, this is not a guy who's

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<v Speaker 2>throwing a kitchen sink at you. He's throwing maybe like

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<v Speaker 2>one section of, of, of the cupboard or you pull

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<v Speaker 2>out the drawer, maybe just that, that section where you

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<v Speaker 2>keep the forks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he's throwing at you. You know what you're getting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fastball, it's slider, curveball, slur, breaking ball, and then

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<v Speaker 2>very occasional changeup, which he did mix in more against

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<v Speaker 2>the Reds because he He.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't have either of the other two pitches.

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<v Speaker 2>When the fastball is not, it's hoppy, electric, birdie, swing

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<v Speaker 2>and miss at the top of his own self, which

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<v Speaker 2>it hasn't been, frankly, most of the time since he

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<v Speaker 2>came back off the injured list. That breaking ball, the

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<v Speaker 2>slur doesn't tunnel the same. It doesn't play as well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's something that he's talked about. But you can also

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<v Speaker 2>see it. If you watch it, you see hitters, either

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<v Speaker 2>it's an easier take Or there's a couple at-bats where

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<v Speaker 2>the Reds put a good swing on it, or at

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<v Speaker 2>least a decent swing on a pitch that they shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have been putting a decent swing on. So that's where

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<v Speaker 2>we're at with those two pitches. And when you have

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<v Speaker 2>the results that you do, we're going into postgame wondering, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we sure they can give this guy playoff starts?

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<v Speaker 2>And only exacerbating that matter is possible. what Pat Murphy

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<v Speaker 2>said after the game, which was, look, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to move this guy perhaps to a different role.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to have to move this guy to a

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<v Speaker 1>different role.

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<v Speaker 2>That's something we're going to consider, whether it's shortening up

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<v Speaker 2>his starts, which frankly are kind of short already, or

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<v Speaker 2>moving him to middle relief. So we'll see what the

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<v Speaker 2>Brewers ultimately do there. But there's real plausible reasons to

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<v Speaker 2>be worried about what kind of pitcher he could be

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<v Speaker 2>for this ball club in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>And obviously there's a significant because you're going for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Logan Henderson. I still think Dustin Mays in that mix.

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<v Speaker 2>I know people might not be as excited about that,

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<v Speaker 2>but the Brewers still think his stuff is there. They

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<v Speaker 2>like his chances of figuring the execution out between now

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<v Speaker 2>and the end of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>And then if it's not Kyle.

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<v Speaker 2>Harrison, that opens up a whole can of worms and

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<v Speaker 2>possibilities on the other avenues you go. But at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, maybe he figures it out. We have

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<v Speaker 2>seen him be one of the better starters in all

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<v Speaker 2>of baseball for an extended stretch this year. So that

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<v Speaker 2>is quite possible. I have to add that caveat. But

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<v Speaker 2>if he doesn't get to that point, I don't see

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<v Speaker 2>how the Brewers could send out a guy who, not

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<v Speaker 2>even results-wise, but just the stuff that he's shown in

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<v Speaker 2>his last few outings, I don't see how you could

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<v Speaker 2>send that guy out for a playoff start. And that,

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<v Speaker 2>for the Brewers, is a big deal. Another key takeaway

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<v Speaker 2>from this weekend, guys, was David Hamilton's third base defense

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<v Speaker 2>that continues to be this game of, not just Hamilton,

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<v Speaker 2>but there continues to be this game of infield who's

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<v Speaker 2>getting benched musical chairs. Shall we take a run through

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<v Speaker 2>the carousel, the merry-go-round of what this has been for

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<v Speaker 2>the Brewers? I mean, early in the year, it was

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<v Speaker 2>all Joey Ortiz. David Hamilton wasn't hitting much either. but

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<v Speaker 2>it was Joey Ortiz can't play. He's got to go

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<v Speaker 2>to AAA. Is he going to lose his job? Should

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<v Speaker 2>Cooper Pratt come up, and should Joey Ortiz be the

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<v Speaker 2>one to go down? We're in a far different place

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<v Speaker 2>now than we were then. And then it was Luis

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<v Speaker 2>Ranjifo getting cut. And then even within the last month

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<v Speaker 2>or two, there's been some minor storylines along these lines,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was Cooper Pratt getting benched. He actually got

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<v Speaker 2>benched in a game. Okay, what are the ramifications of

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<v Speaker 2>that going to be? And now we are once again–

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<v Speaker 2>at the point of, does Joey Ortiz need to play more?

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<v Speaker 2>And if you watch Sunday's game, you understand why this

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<v Speaker 2>is a relevant topic. Now, David Hamilton has been swinging

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<v Speaker 2>the bat better, but his defense, frankly, from time to time,

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<v Speaker 2>has been a liability for the Milwaukee Brewers. He His

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<v Speaker 2>defensive metrics are interesting. His DRS, he still grades out

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<v Speaker 2>as a plus third baseman. But baseball savant, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>like him in any position.

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<v Speaker 1>You see his total outs above average. He is at

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<v Speaker 1>minus eight.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in the third percentile among all big league fielders

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<v Speaker 2>at his position in there. And then his fielding run

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<v Speaker 2>value is at a minus six. Look, his arm is

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<v Speaker 2>the concern here. He.

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<v Speaker 2>Oftentimes doesn't have his feet set, rushes it, it just

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't fully look natural. He gets to balls, say for

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<v Speaker 2>the second error he made against the Reds, where he

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of missed it. His range, and Pat Murray

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<v Speaker 2>made comments about this after the game as well, his

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<v Speaker 2>range is excellent. If you're just trying to take those

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<v Speaker 2>smaller tools for infielders, and project how good of a

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<v Speaker 2>defender they could be using athleticism range for stuff, things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. David Hamilton is absolutely a contender to be

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<v Speaker 2>a really, really good infielder.

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<v Speaker 1>But right now, when.

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<v Speaker 2>He is making these costly errors time and time again,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems, and maybe I should add to that, in reality,

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<v Speaker 2>it is probably not as bad as it seems. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just the fact that His air is usually like it's

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<v Speaker 2>a bad throw, and in recent past couple weeks, they've

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<v Speaker 2>been in costly moments. They cost you four runs and

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<v Speaker 2>a four-run loss today. Obviously, there was the walk-off error

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<v Speaker 2>against the Mets, coincidentally, in the game where Cooper Pratt

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<v Speaker 2>was benched. But nevertheless, this was also a question we

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<v Speaker 2>posed to Pat Murphy following the game on Sunday, and

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<v Speaker 2>the answer, I think, is worth examining a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you have, it's not as simple as like a

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<v Speaker 2>binary Joey Ortiz or Cooper Pratt simply because the way

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<v Speaker 2>the Brewers see it and they've seen it this way

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<v Speaker 2>for a while frankly is like is Joey Ortiz against

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<v Speaker 2>certain matchups that's a bad matchup sinker, slider, right handers

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<v Speaker 2>historically he has not performed well in those in those

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<v Speaker 2>situations those spots hands right those right-handed pitchers now with

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<v Speaker 2>david hamilton on the team that that theoretically leads to

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty straightforward right left platoon maybe get joey in

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<v Speaker 2>there a little more against right handers that he can

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<v Speaker 2>handle you can sit cooper pratt in those games those

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<v Speaker 2>sort of things but ortiz has actually hit sinkers a

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<v Speaker 2>little better a lot better this year than he has

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<v Speaker 2>in his career he's got 370 average um I would

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<v Speaker 2>say coming into play Sunday, but he didn't play, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's still a 370 average against right-handed sinkers.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, there's some luck. There's some bad at-ball luck, no doubt,

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<v Speaker 1>mixed into that, but I think.

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<v Speaker 2>The expected Woba is somewhere around 360, which if that's

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<v Speaker 2>not your lingo, that's pretty good. That would be a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good overall performance for an entire season. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>the third-best individual pitch from a right-hander that he's hit

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<v Speaker 2>this season.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I don't know how much credence... should or the

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<v Speaker 1>brewers would even give to.

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<v Speaker 2>How he's performed because that's a smaller sample too like

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't face it on a part of part of

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<v Speaker 2>the reason george he's been so successful is because he

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<v Speaker 2>does not they put him in advantageous situations and he's

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<v Speaker 2>not facing a ton of pitchers that the brewers feel

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<v Speaker 2>like are bad matchups for him i think that's important to.

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<v Speaker 1>Mention too but i don't know man this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is a question of.

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<v Speaker 2>How much longer do you continue to operate in this

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<v Speaker 2>realm where it's, uh, where it's Joy Ortiz, Joy Ortiz,

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<v Speaker 2>Joy Ortiz against lefties. And then David Hamilton, David Hamilton,

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<v Speaker 2>David Hamilton against right-handers when your, your operation is based

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<v Speaker 2>centered around run prevention. It's centered around playing good defense

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<v Speaker 2>and pitching, which boy the pitching this week. Well, we'll get,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get some of that more of that starting pitching,

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<v Speaker 2>not just Kyle Harrison. It was, it was, it was just,

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<v Speaker 2>just about bad from a start to finish in Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 2>but nevertheless, um, If you're going into the postseason, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess the point is, is the tradeoff of Joy Ortiz

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<v Speaker 2>against a bad matchup against a right-hander worth it?

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<v Speaker 1>Or the defense when you just have.

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<v Speaker 2>The feelings of confidence that, okay, I know this guy's

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<v Speaker 2>going to make that play. I know he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>make every single play. He'll make the highlight plays as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think David Hamilton also, we should give him a

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<v Speaker 2>little credit for, because of that range, because of that athleticism,

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<v Speaker 2>he does have the ability to make those highlight plays.

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<v Speaker 2>real top of the line athletic plays. I mean, how

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<v Speaker 2>many times you seen like he, when he's coming in

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<v Speaker 2>a ball and just letting it eat, um, moving around, he's,

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<v Speaker 2>he can, he can be a really good defender, but it's, it's,

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<v Speaker 2>it's some of that in between some of like the

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<v Speaker 2>things that you would think would be the easier stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that he, that he seemingly struggles with.

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<v Speaker 1>And so.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's me making the call, if it's the playoffs, um,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm absolutely sacrificing maybe two at-bats of Joey Ortiz against

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<v Speaker 2>a pitcher that he's a quote-unquote bad matchup for or

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<v Speaker 2>against in order to get his defense in there. I've

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<v Speaker 2>just seen it enough, just seen enough times where there's

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<v Speaker 2>plays that need to be made and they've come in

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<v Speaker 2>costly moments, and I just couldn't live with myself, frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>if that's something that costs you down the road. If

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<v Speaker 2>it happens in an 8-0 game, That's one thing, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's no way to control that. What happens if it's

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<v Speaker 2>a 3-2 game and there's a cost layer?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's interesting. I mean, the Brewers know what they're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about with defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Their internal metrics still do like David Hamilton defensively because

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<v Speaker 2>of his range and Pat Murphy's setup. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's made twice as many great ranging plays as he's

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<v Speaker 2>made misthrows. And there's some credence to that, too. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they evaluate their players pretty well sometimes. Most of

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<v Speaker 2>the time, I would think, but In this instance, it

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<v Speaker 2>is going to create for an interesting way to splice

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<v Speaker 2>up the playing time, not only the rest of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>but most importantly, what happens when you get to the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you enjoy it?

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<v Speaker 2>He's facing some more of those types of pitchers now,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's not taken aback by the playoffs. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see. And lastly, guys, the bullpen, it's just, it's taxed.

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<v Speaker 2>How about this nugget? Over the last eight days, Milwaukee

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<v Speaker 2>Brewers starters have gone 33-2. The bullpen, 34 and a third.

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<v Speaker 2>We're seeing it come through in multiple spots where, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Abinaribe had to pitch in the eighth down by five

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<v Speaker 2>to get one out because Jojo Romero had pitched so

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<v Speaker 2>much and wasn't able to get out of it, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>because David Hamilton's defense. Antonio Sensatella has struggled since coming over,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's been pitching a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>D.L.

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<v Speaker 2>Hall, Chad Patrick, Aaron Ashby pitched four times in five

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<v Speaker 2>days and gave up the go-ahead homer.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was the seventh inning on Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not so much concerned about Aaron Ashby's overall performance, but.

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<v Speaker 2>This is going to be something to monitor because the

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<v Speaker 2>Brewers are in the stretch of 16 straight days without

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<v Speaker 2>an off day and simply not getting any length. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they've had one starter go five plus in the last

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<v Speaker 2>eight days, and that was Logan Henderson's gem.

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<v Speaker 1>At Wrigley Field.

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<v Speaker 2>Not another guy has pitched through five innings, a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of pitches into the fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>Dustin May, I think he was.

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<v Speaker 2>He showed some encouraging signs before the rain came on

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday and caused a two-hour, 20-minute delay where they took

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<v Speaker 2>the tarp on, took it off, and all that fun stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that was maybe one of the bigger

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<v Speaker 2>encouraging signs that I saw from this weekend in Cincinnati. But, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the Brewers really need their starters to go deeper because

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to go the whole way in the postseason,

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<v Speaker 2>this team does have a pretty well-built bullpen. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a or the strength of this ball club. And so

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<v Speaker 2>you should ride that in the playoffs. But you need

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<v Speaker 2>them at their best, obviously, for the playoffs. Pitching five

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<v Speaker 2>innings a game is absolutely not going to be good

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<v Speaker 2>for them. You have to find a way to step

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<v Speaker 2>off the gas a little bit on guys like Ashby

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<v Speaker 2>and Uribe and McGill and Sensatella the rest of the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise, it could be interesting. And also one thing to note, too, is.

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<v Speaker 2>is Antonio Sensatella's pitch mix. I want to pay attention

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<v Speaker 2>to this as we move forward. So watch for that too.

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<v Speaker 2>The man has thrown 120 straight fastballs. That's sinker, foreseam, cutter.

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<v Speaker 2>No breaking balls since August 25th. Like he has them

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<v Speaker 2>in there. The Brewers are just choosing to not use

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<v Speaker 2>them in any capacity. So keep an eye on that,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say, as we wrap up this special airport edition

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<v Speaker 2>of Brewer Territory. I got to go pitch a flight.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we are literally boarding right now so thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>tuning in everyone and we'll catch you on the flip

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<v Speaker 2>as we always do at brewer territory