1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Okay, this is Annie and Samantha. Welcome to Stuff I 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Never Told You production of iHeart Radio, and welcome to 3 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: another edition of Monday Mini. I think we are going 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: to kind of switch up the Monday Mini soon ish Um. 5 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: We're it's still gonna be newsy type things, but we're 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: also gonna have kind of a Samantha reacts to stuff 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: Corner tells me about it. Yeah, I want to tell 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: you about things and see how you react as I 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: discuss it. Put me in the hot seat. Okay, okay, okay, 10 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: but this one is sort of This outline is probably 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: one of the spiciest outlines I've ever written, y'all. She 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: wrote this so quickly three weeks ago, two weeks ago, 13 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: and like a fury. And when I looked at it, 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: the first thing you said it was like, did you 15 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: read it? Yes, yes, I don't think I'm not feeling 16 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: as riled up as I was when I wrote this. 17 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: This is one of those things every now and then 18 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: it happens you just have a question and you're like, oh, 19 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: I'm going to look into this, and then it becomes 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: an episode and you weren't planning it at all. That's 21 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: what happened here. There is a content warning, but I 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: mean nothing serious. But we are talking about some toxic 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: fandom and some of the fallout from that. I asked 24 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: to be really clear because this is a spicy outline. 25 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: I grew up reading like a lot of d C comics, 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: Like I I this is not like me saying anything 27 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: in particular about like, oh I don't like DC or 28 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 1: anything like that. I kind of just was curious about 29 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: some things because it kept coming up in other outlines 30 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: we were doing, Um, this kind of fan base, and 31 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: it is a toxic part of the fan base. We're 32 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: kind of talking about the d C EU, the DC 33 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: extended universe, and specifically kind of the Snyder verse. So 34 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: I just want to be clear with that, Like, even 35 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: though I'm going to get brought up, I've really annoyed 36 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: it kind of these toxic Snyder fan boys, but not 37 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: the fan of at all. There are plenty of DC 38 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: movies that I like, Um, plenty of DC movies. That's 39 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: not gonna happen anymore. Also true, and I get that 40 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: that hurts. I do get that that hurts. And I'm 41 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: going to talk about that too, um and it yeah, yeah, 42 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: And they like shows, and like I said, comics that 43 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: I liked one of the things I find really interesting 44 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: about Snyder Verse, and I find this interesting with Star 45 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: Wars as well, Like the original Star Wars trilogy was 46 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: supposed to be optimistic and that's why a lot of 47 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: people liked it, and now all the new stuff is 48 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: not optimistic. Now all the new stuff is like, this 49 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: is drama and warn Batman, well, I guess not when 50 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: it was early early sitcomy, yeah, wasn't. But specifically yet 51 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: Batman was kind of the like, oh you like Superman, 52 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: who was the super optimistic, kind of hopeful character. And 53 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: what we're seeing with the Snyder versus not really that 54 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: at all. Um. In fact, even in just like the 55 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: the color tones and palette they use, it's very brim 56 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: So that's something I've been thinking about and I want 57 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: to come back and visit, but that's that's where that's 58 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: for a later day. Um. So, basically, the question I 59 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: had was why were we running across the Snyder Verse 60 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: and so many of our other episodes, because we talked 61 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: about them in our Amber her Johnny dep trial, which 62 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: makes sense because she was in Aquaman. We talked about 63 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: that them in our YouTube episode. I remember the Oscars 64 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 1: kind of sillily had like a fan you can vote 65 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: for best Picture. I don't know if it was last year. 66 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: I think I might have been two years ago, and 67 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: they voted for Justice League and so, and that wasn't 68 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: like on my radar at all. So I was kind 69 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: of like scratching my head about it. I keep seeing 70 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: some kind of Snyder Verse things trending on Twitter. I 71 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: knew about like release the Snyder Cut and all this stuff, 72 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: so like it's like four or five hours long, right, Yeah, 73 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: it's ridiculously long. Yeah, yeah, And there's plenty of articles 74 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: about it. Honestly, I think we could come back and 75 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: do a whole episode on this. I did read that 76 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: it's rated as more toxic than Star Wars, which says, 77 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: but Rise of Skywalkers for sharing the same thing. Because 78 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it in a second, but the 79 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: idea of like who whose fan, whose voices of fans 80 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: get heard and whose dosn't, and what gets retconed because 81 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: of that is a big part of this conversation, and 82 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: Rise of Skywalker was an example of that. For sure. 83 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: I did find DC fans are in general older than 84 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: Marvel fans, and like a lot of the arguments breakdown 85 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: to a DC verse is Marvel thing in a way 86 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: that I wasn't anticipating, And maybe that's silly of me, 87 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: but I guess like feeling DC fans feeling very persecuted 88 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: and angry at Marvel and Disney in general for doing 89 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: better kind of financially, are getting more what they view 90 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: is more support, like publicly as opposed to d C 91 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: when they think that DC movies are better. Um, so 92 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: it's basically proof for all unintelligent sheep. And again I 93 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: want to make very clear this is a small section 94 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: to fan base. I am not saying this battle. Please 95 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: don't get mad at me. But like there are articles 96 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: you can find from publications that I was kind of 97 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: surprised printed them where they were basically saying this is 98 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: all a conspiracy. Disney infiltrated d C and ruin those movies. 99 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: They get more Marvel and Star Wars movies made. DC 100 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: is not under Disney, isn't no, But exactly, but because 101 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: we'll talk about this in the second, because Josh Weeden 102 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,119 Speaker 1: came in and took over to this league, they see 103 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: that as like, ah um okay, So when asked about this, 104 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: Zack Snyder has said that they are these fans are passionate, 105 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: not toxic, which I do think there are passionate fans, 106 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: but I also think they are very toxic fans um. 107 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: And when I was reading about this, it seems some 108 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: people don't understand what toxic fandom is and are arguing 109 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: that people bullying them by liking another fandom more is toxic, 110 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: which it can be toxic, but to me, it just 111 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: sounded like, well, they don't like what I like and 112 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: they're not like backing me up, and that's toxic. Like 113 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: it really didn't seem like a bunch of the articles 114 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: I read got what toxic fandom is, and I saw, okay, 115 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm getting into the spicy bits because I read this 116 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: article and the person who wrote it was said claimed 117 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: that he was called a toxic fan because he didn't 118 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: like the Star Wars equals, and I would don't believe 119 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: that's true, or at the very least, there is no 120 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: way in hell that it equates to what people who 121 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: were in created and people who liked those equels experience 122 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: like they're kind of notoriously not like especially the last Jedi. 123 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: Like I maybe some people were mean to you. I'm 124 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: not trying to downplay it, but my god, when I 125 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: was reading that article, I was like, no, no, just no. 126 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: And you can criticize films for valid, non hateful reasons. 127 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: I always trying to make that point, Like those totally legit. 128 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: That's not toxic fandom, Like, that's not what we're talking 129 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: about here, We're toxic fandom is like attacking people online, scaring, forcing, 130 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: coercing people off social media who were actors in it, 131 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: like not people who are like, actually, I think this 132 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: was pretty good, Like, no, it wasn't. That's not talking 133 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: fandom anyway. Here is a quote from this article. It's 134 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: just off putting that a company that once made a 135 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: short featuring Donald Duck dressed up as a Nazi you 136 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: should think it has the right to cash judgment. The 137 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: whole world is so frantic to assale anyone who is 138 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: less than elated by the latest Star Wars film that 139 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: they seem to completely overlook the historic crimes of the 140 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: parent company. Now do you seriously think that's by accident? 141 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: The point big that it's supposed to be some big 142 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: conspiracy that Disney and filtrated d C and did all 143 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: this and look, I don't know what world you're living in, 144 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: Disney gives your Okay, they've done some bad stuff. I'm 145 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: not defending that, but the you're talking about, I can 146 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: tell you again, angry people online and in general did 147 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: not like the sequels. I don't know what this is 148 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: what you're talking about with like less than elated by 149 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: the latest Star Wars films. This is not though. No, yeah, 150 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not defendingtuly at all, but I just 151 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: don't understand this mind process. But a lot of it 152 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: did come down to that of like Marvel versus d C, 153 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: Star Wars versus d C. This is some big plot 154 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: uh to ruin the Snyder verse for us. So, man, 155 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: I am getting round up. I wasn't expecting this, okay. Sorry. 156 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: So the campaign for the Snyder cuts began in when 157 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: Snyder had to back away from filming Justice League due 158 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: to a death in the family. It was very tragic 159 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: and Josh Weeden was higher to finish it, and this 160 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: was supposed to be the pinnacle of Snyder's for a 161 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: in the DC universe. It did not do well. Um 162 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: and fans uh started demanding for the Snyder cut. They 163 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: were known as the hashtag release the Snyder Cut Collective, 164 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: and this campaign went all out at the Comic Con 165 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: and in Times Square, perhaps paid for by Snyder himself, 166 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: according to some things I read, And there was this 167 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: huge myth that got built up around it that there 168 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: was this mysterious cut that multiple reports have shown did 169 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: not exist. UM Snyder tweeted about it, though actors who 170 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: were in it tweeted about it. So the myth continued. 171 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: And and this collective has done some good things, like 172 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: raising hundreds of thousands of dollars for suicide prevention awareness 173 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: after the death of Snyder's daughter, UM those some have 174 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: argued they just did that to appear legitimate. I don't 175 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: want to get into that. UM Snyder said of this 176 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: and the accusation that the movement was toxic in regards 177 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: to that toxic fandom or it's a win in for 178 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: toxic fandom. Again, in what world does this toxic fandom 179 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for suicide prevention? How 180 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: is that toxic fandom? They probably achieved more than any 181 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: other fan base and done more good than any other group. 182 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: So I don't understand, well, I could explain it. To you, 183 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: but I you will not. Let's see, both things can 184 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: be true, you know, you can do a good thing 185 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: and the toxic fan. Both things can be true, And 186 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: I feel like that's a culture we have a hard 187 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: time accepting that that does not mean good or bad essentially, 188 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: like loyalty could be like it's either or on that one. 189 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: So if they're loyal to Snyder, then yes, they're going 190 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: to care about what he cares about and then therefore 191 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: do what he wants or what he what they think 192 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: is an owed to him rather. UM. I have no 193 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: idea because I didn't realize. All I know of this 194 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: controversy is yes, that's a Snyder cut, which lasts like 195 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: hours apparently. Um. And then Weeden came in and he's 196 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: got a lot of stink on him, uh, from the 197 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: actors that have made many accusations towards him, which have 198 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: been somewhat founded by witnesses and all that stuff. So 199 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: I find it interesting that maybe it's just the drama 200 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: surrounding the people that are a part of this not 201 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: so much, you know, like that in itself can cause 202 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: a lot of drama and therefore studios maybe backtracking, even 203 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: though with Ezra Miller, they're not backtracking weirdly enough. Yeah. 204 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: Well yeah, And that was one thing that struck me 205 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: when I was two am researching this, because this was 206 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: a fury of research I did a very late Um 207 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: was how many controversies that kind of stumbled on that 208 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow, I could because like Ezra Miller, 209 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: there was stuff with jous Weeden when he came in 210 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: as well in this universe specifically other stuff people like these. 211 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: It does not seem stable. And I don't know if 212 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: it's because they are trying to bring in someone that's 213 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: a good fit, because I know Snyder has been a 214 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: part of this for a while, right since Christian Bale 215 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: was he part of the Christian bille No, that's Christopher Nolan. 216 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: It's kind of a biscuit. There's so many people in here. 217 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: So he was a part of the cavil affletic world. Yeah, okay, yes, 218 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: I'm caught up. Yeah yeah, Well, and so again, we 219 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: could come back and do a whole episode on this, um. 220 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: And I know I'm like coming out strong, but I promise, 221 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: I promise, I don't have a problem. I like, I 222 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: like some of these things. Um. And one of the 223 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: things I saw a lot in articles defending Snyder have 224 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: some kind of like version of well, every group is 225 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: problematic in some way, which is true at least, especially 226 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: like when in this specific conversation, when you're talking about 227 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: these kind of big fandoms. Here's a quote um. For 228 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: some reason, though, the toxic tags often tossed onto Zack 229 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: Snyder's DC fans like their unwanted freaks. Moreover, Warner Media 230 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: CEO and Sarnov joined the chorus of booze. Sarnof admitted 231 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: to Variety that behavior is reprehensible. Don't matter what franchise 232 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: you're talking about or what business you're talking about, is 233 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: completely unacceptable. I'm very disappointed in the fans that have 234 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: chosen to go that negative place with regards to d C, 235 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: with regard to some of our executives. Quite frankly, Sarnov 236 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: comes across as a Karen, would you like cheese with 237 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: your wine? She tossed everyone in the trash. On some level, 238 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: her bitterness is understandable, after all, there are some nasty 239 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: folks out there. Nevertheless, she's misinformed. Can you imagine Marvel 240 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: Studios president Kevin Figi bashing the m c U fans 241 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: who demanded that The Falcon and Winter Soldier be a 242 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: gay love story. Furthermore, Warner brothers inability to reason and 243 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: communicate with Snyder fans is among the worst PR disasters 244 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: in decades. The hypocrisy of a studio operating in such 245 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: a toxic inner to supposedly toxic followers is shocking. From 246 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: my perspective. He has among the most passionate fans I've 247 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: ever seen. They moved mountains on social media to have 248 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: the Snyder cut finished and released. Warner Brothers swiped left, 249 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers slammed the doors in their faces and left 250 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: them out in the cold. There's a lot to pick 251 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: part in that quote. Okay, okay, um, so the rubbing 252 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: of the forehead, Okay, I do. I am a fan 253 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: of things. I am a big fan of things. I 254 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: get hurt by choices creators make. I try to keep 255 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: it all in perspective of ultimately, you know, this is 256 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: a entertainment. I don't own um and what I want, 257 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: what I think, you know a lot of people might want. 258 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: That's not what everybody wants, and that's not what's gonna 259 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: happen a lot of times. In fact, let me backtrack, 260 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: here because I knew people wanted the Snyder cut. The 261 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: reason Snyder stopped Justice League was because of a death 262 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: in his family, a tragic death. So they brought on 263 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: we did mm hmmm. Are the fans accusing Warner Brothers 264 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: of finding an excuse to replace him to begin with? 265 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: Or are they upset that they didn't just pause the 266 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: filming and let him grieve and then come back like 267 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: what was the controversy again that? Because that seems to 268 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: be reasonable to continue along with the project. But I 269 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: guess Snyder didn't give his blessing to who would do it? 270 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: Or two if they can do it? Is that the 271 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: is that the Yeah? I mean it's it's it's a 272 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: bunch of things. I think that. Like I said at 273 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: the start, this is I keep saying that DC, but 274 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: it's more of like the Snyder verse fans that we're 275 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: talking about. Um, so they thought like this is his pinnacle, 276 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: this is going to be the you know, the last 277 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: thing he might do, and it's going to be really good, 278 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: and then he leaves. Instead of stopping it, they bring 279 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: in Josh Weeden, who had done the Avengers and so 280 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: this is where that kind of conspiracy theory angle comes in. 281 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: I like, but he was in Marvel and now you're 282 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: bringing him in here, which we'll talk about what's going 283 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: on right now in a second. Um. So some people 284 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: have like that conspiracy level anger about it. Others are 285 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: more just like why didn't you just wait to finish it? 286 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: And because it was kind of widely not the finished 287 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: product was a mess. That's kind of the consensus that 288 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: it was, like, well, it could have been so good. 289 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: And then this, like I said, according to most stuff 290 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: I read, there was not a mysterious cut like waiting, 291 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: but there was like this I myth or like idea 292 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: that there was and they were holding it. People viewed it. 293 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: They did, but that's we're going to talk about that 294 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: in a second. But it didn't exist previously. Um. But 295 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: they were saying, like it's there and you won't let 296 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: see it, okay, because I from what I read, the 297 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: critics really bombed it, like hated. Oh well, maybe I'm wrong. 298 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: Maybe there's just the people I follow or I've seen 299 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: in my timeline and they're like, oh no, hope, this 300 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: was not worth it. Right. Well, yeah, we'll talk about 301 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: that more in a second. To you. One of the 302 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: other things I want to say here is as I 303 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: was kind of alluding to, like any creator who's kind 304 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: of like, you know, like if you are in the 305 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: DC world and you don't like DC, that can be 306 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 1: a tough pill to swallow. I from what I read, 307 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: that is not what was going on here. She was 308 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: saying like there they were all of these kind of 309 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: toxic actors in the space, like toxic fans in space. 310 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: That's not That's not what I from what I gather, 311 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: that's not what she was talking about was like DC 312 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: fans at general. She was talking about this very specific thing. 313 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I don't think. I think 314 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: she was talking about what we've talked about several times 315 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: about like the kind of abuse actors and creators and 316 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: people will higher ups face when you do something that 317 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: that fans don't like. And you can, like I said, 318 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: you can have a valid opinion that you can voice 319 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: in a way that isn't hateful and isn't toxic, that's 320 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: a different thing. But if you're kind of like swarming, attacking, 321 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: hating somebody, then that's like toxic territory. That like when 322 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: we talked about that in our Johnny Depp Amber heard 323 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: thing like they kind of we're constantly mentioned, is like 324 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: helped sway the trial the way when with their presence 325 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: on social media because they thought Amber Heard was ruining 326 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: their DC universe. Interesting. Also, yeah, let's talk about if 327 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: they had made Falcon in the Winter Soldier a Galo story. 328 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: Do you think that would have gone over well? Because 329 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: I don't. People are pussing themselves for the different ethnicity, 330 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: playing different roles that would never existing, or playing the 331 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: original roles. Are like, but that's not what we like 332 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: now I love it? Yes, okay. Another thing reporters and 333 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: general people about the Internet, which I did think about 334 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: when I was putting this together, and have received death threats, slurs, 335 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: and hateful messaging for the crime of publicly not being interested, 336 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: not being interested, not even not liking, not being interested 337 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: in the Snyder cut um or dared not like his 338 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: other works, um d C Comics, and Warner Brothers executives 339 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: stopped using Twitter altogether due to balance a lot of 340 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: hate that they received. Yeah, okay. Snyders seemed in some 341 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: ways to encourage this whole thing. He told The New 342 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: York Times that while sometimes terrifying, quote, it's in some 343 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: ways fun to serve the way of a cultural phenomenon um. 344 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: He allegedly kept a list of those who doubted him 345 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: and those he wanted to confront, but was held back 346 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: from doing so, Like he'd be like, oh, if only 347 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: I could confront this person. You know who it is, 348 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: wink wink um. So there's that from Vox. Here's a quote. 349 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: Not only did the crusade stand out in terms of 350 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: volume of harassment, but frequently in terms of its tone. 351 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: As detailed in a medium post by cultural writer jam Carter, 352 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: the key figures of the movement included one YouTuber who 353 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: posted a meme in which Marvel had Kevin Figi was 354 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: murdered by Nazis, and a blogger who attacked everyone even 355 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: peripherally related to the Justice League with quote vulgarity and 356 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: racially charged histeronics. So that's what we're talking about. That's 357 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: that's I just want to be like a hundred for 358 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: sick clear because I am getting mad. But I'm getting 359 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: mad at these folks, which do exist in a lot 360 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: of fandom, almost all fandom, all fandom probably. But the 361 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: quote continues, So when we discussed the Snyder cut, then 362 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: we're not only discussing the film's long journey to release. 363 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: We're also discussing a sustained harassment campaign rooted in fans 364 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: loyalty to and love of Zack Snyder himself. Snyder is 365 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: a straight, white male creator known for making movies that 366 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: showcased grim, dark, violent, testosterone field fantasies of hyper masculinity. 367 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: I would argue that it's far more accurate to describe 368 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: it as a conspiracy theory that fans brought to the 369 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: studio's attention through toxic online harassment. Warner Brothers decision to 370 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: ask Snyder to edit a version the film he was 371 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: originally slated to direct, arose as a response to demand 372 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: from an entitled, male dominated fandom. Imagine if the fifty 373 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: Shades of Gray fandom, full of older female romance fans, 374 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: suddenly began demanding a new sixties Shades of Gray with 375 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: all their consumers might Would the media's reaction be one 376 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: of breathless excitement. Would it be one of condescending disbelief, 377 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: tinged with mockery. Compared to the massive media attention garnered 378 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: by fans calls to release the Snyder cut, the hashtag 379 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: Barrier Gays campaign received a pittance of cultural attention, and 380 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: it arguably achieved a negative result. At the Writer's Guild panel, 381 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: several writers actively resisted the call to stop killing queer 382 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: characters and pushed back against the idea that fans should 383 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: fixate on character's sexuality at all. And then from Time, 384 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: the man who originally started to change dot org petition 385 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: to release the Snyder Cut, ROBERTA. Mata, has made racist 386 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: and sexist comments and another change dot org petition. He 387 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: called his critics feminist, Black Lives Matter advocates and social 388 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: justice warriors trying to silence him for the sake of 389 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: quote political correctness. To their credit, other prominent voices in 390 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: the release of Snyder Cut movement have disavowed madam. And 391 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: so this kind of brings us to the like what 392 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: I was saying before is which fans get hurt Because 393 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: here's another quote from time. Warner Brothers is far from 394 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: the first studio to bend to the will of their 395 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: loudest critics. After a group of misogynists protested the all 396 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 1: female Ghostbusters movie and harassed and hacked one of its stars, 397 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: Leslie Jones, to the point of driving her off social media. 398 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: Columbia Pictures Greenlight, another Ghostbusters movie goes Sbusters Afterlife, directed 399 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: by Jason Reitman, and do out next year that would 400 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: ignore the events of the six film. Rightman declared he 401 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: would quote hand the movie back to the fans, which 402 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: many took us a suggestion that the misogynist trolls who 403 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: railed against a female Ghostbusters were the true fans and 404 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: women were not um. And that's something we talked about 405 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: with the Last Jedi as well, when they kind of 406 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: reconed and ignored everything that happened in the Last Yet 407 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: I after all this bad outcry, like who won in 408 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: that it was kind of these like racist, sexist people 409 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: and like, like again, you cannot like the twenty sixteen Ghostbusters, 410 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: you cannot like the Last Jedi. But the people who 411 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: were leading these campaigns so much but was infiltrated by 412 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: that toxicity, and they were the ones that got what 413 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: they wanted in a variety of reasons, including wanting to 414 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: distance from Weedon to satisfy fans and make up with Snyder. 415 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: HBO put seventy million dollars more or to the Snyder 416 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: cut um. And this was after Major Leae flopped, which 417 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: fans blamed Disney Slash Marvel and the media for that 418 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: they were paying for good reviews and d C was 419 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: being oppressed essentially, was a argument I heard a lot. 420 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: They also attacked Star Wars properties as a way to 421 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: damage Disney, so they were some of the like Star 422 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: Wars hate that was coming, even they didn't care about 423 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: Star Wars. Some speculate that A. T and T and 424 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: HBO did this purposefully to get subscribers, like they knew 425 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 1: like this would stir up like old people will come 426 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: and watch the Snyder cut. Um. The think pieces for 427 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: whether the resulting film is good are too much for 428 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: right now, so many argue about whether it was worth 429 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: it or just a huge company bowing to a small 430 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: but loud group. Someone't even call them toxic, which m hmmm, 431 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: I would disagree. It is two and forty two minutes long. 432 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: But Snyder fans loved it and up fair about our 433 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: critics did too, to be fair fair about our critics 434 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: did too. But yeah, I was kind of shocked at 435 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: how problematic things I found in this very brief research, 436 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: and that brings us kind of to you today, which 437 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: is yes. Recently, James Gunn and Peter Saffron were named 438 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: co heads of the newly formed DC Studios, and there 439 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: was enormous backlash, and that's like it's its own thing. 440 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: That is, it's something. But but um, they both released 441 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: statements that were kind of like, wow, I get not 442 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: being disappointed or not being happy or but these are 443 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: like death threats and hateful things. I kind of was 444 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: immediately like, well, they just stick up for the women 445 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: in your films. But anyway, that's also different. Yes, report 446 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: found that of the Snyder Verse may have been powered 447 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: by bots, which is interesting, but again, yeah, this is 448 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: sort of my big takeaway is like what fans get 449 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: what they want because they spent a lot of money 450 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: tree shoot, this based on what sounds like to be 451 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: just a small all this group of very very angry fans, 452 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: very angry, toxic fans, And uh, I do I do 453 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: get being upset. I promise you about a thing that 454 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: you love. But it's just a difference between that and 455 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: threatening people, um online and kind of controlling the narrative 456 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: and and silencing silencing other people who don't agree with you. 457 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's definitely the opposite of as people talk 458 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: about being too woke or too politically correct, and you 459 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: can't do anything anymore. This is kind of that same 460 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: other side is if you have this type of loyal 461 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: type base that wants to keep this level of misogyny 462 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: in the conversations in like these types of movies and 463 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: I say level of misogyny meaning like the dudes who 464 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: go after and I said, the dudes who go after 465 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: actors and an executive directors or people who have minimal 466 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: control or what may not have the final say or 467 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: may have made decision based on finance, which does is 468 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: hurtful because it is so personal for people. It is 469 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: interesting that that gets listened to in that respect, But 470 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: you know, like we give excuses for the other side. 471 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: It's it's it's weird spectrum of who has the power, 472 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: who really has the power, and who has perceived power, 473 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: right for sure, because it's it's definitely so much of 474 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: this that I was reading was kind of the a 475 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: word of victims here the media is against us, Disney 476 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: and Marvel's got a conspiracy plot against us, like all 477 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: of these things. I don't know. It was definitely like 478 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: that was one of the things I wasn't expecting as 479 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: much of was the oh, I'm being victimized by Marvel. 480 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: Are being victimized by It's kind of like, oh, that's 481 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: really interesting the versus and I get it, Like I 482 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: jokingly of her. People talk about who prefers what, and 483 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: I think, right now, yeah, Marvel had the headway in 484 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: getting the movies and the characters out there, and this 485 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: popularity definitely helped that. Disney did buy it out and 486 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: had a lot more money and now bringing the universes 487 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 1: together instead of being it separate. But it's quite interesting 488 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: because I don't beat comics and I don't have an opinion. 489 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: I enjoyed the Marvel films because I think they're brainless films. 490 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, great, let me enjoy this action packed, nonsensical blockbuster. Um. 491 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: You know, I kind of felt the same way about 492 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: But I really enjoyed Wonder Woman and I'm very sad 493 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: that she's not coming back. And uh, I think that 494 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: that's sad, and I understand the second movie flopped. It 495 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: is what it is. I enjoyed it. Was it ridiculous? Yes? 496 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: Did I enjoy it? Yes? But it's it's interesting this 497 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: whole battle between them. There's so many levels of why 498 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: people are angry. Yeah, and the fact that I'm guessing 499 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: since Gunn worked with these and Marvel as a Betroyal 500 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: as well. Yes, oh yes, and that's like what I 501 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: keep seeing now is oh, he's gonna hire all these 502 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: Marvel actors to be in d C and the whole 503 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: thing that happened with Henry Cavill. They're like, oh, I 504 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: guess he wasn't Slighter Verse, but there was not a Superman. 505 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: He didn't do a Superman. It was all just Justice 506 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: League or Batman, right, he was Injustice League. Yeah, yeah, 507 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: But I mean, it's just so many things I can 508 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: talk about. But I mean, there are problems with Disney 509 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: and Marvel, like I don't want to get sound like 510 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: they are. There are problems with those fandoms as well, 511 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: but I just hadn't anticipated the level of to me 512 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: what felt like conspiracy theory. And certainly like Disney does 513 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: owned so much stuff, so I get that, but wow, 514 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: some of the things I read, I was like, WHOA, 515 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: people are ready to fight. Apparently people are ready to fight, 516 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: and not in the fun fan way that I enjoy. Um. Yeah, 517 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: you can have like a fun rousing disagreement about like, 518 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: well I think this is better, but this is not that. 519 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: This is not fun. No, harassing people's note. No it 520 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: is not No, it is not so listeners. If you 521 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: have any thoughts about any of this, If you are 522 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: a DC fan you've had to deal with any of this, 523 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: please let us know. You can email us at Stuffing 524 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: and stuff at I hurt meia dot com. 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