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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Sophia Bush here. Welcome to Work in Progress,

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Speaker 1: where I talk to people who inspire me about how

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Speaker 1: they got to where they are and where they think

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Speaker 1: they're still going. Today's guest is the incomparable Terra Hausa.

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Speaker 1: Terra is a tribal attorney founder of the Canoe Collective,

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Speaker 1: which is an Indigenous women lad frontline resistance movement. She

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Speaker 1: is also a co founder of Not Your Mascots, a

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Speaker 1: nonprofit dedicated to fighting against stereotypical Native representation in sports

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Speaker 1: or misrepresentation in sports. Really, and she is truly just

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Speaker 1: an overall badass inspiring activists. I'm so happy to have

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Speaker 1: Tara joined me to share her story and more about

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Speaker 1: the work that she's doing with the Collective on Native

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Speaker 1: of land and for Native people. Right now, we're in

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Speaker 1: a time where it seems that more and more of

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Speaker 1: the Collective has realized and is beginning to come to

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Speaker 1: terms with how whitewashed our history is and always has been,

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Speaker 1: and we are talking more and more about how Native

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Speaker 1: out of the conversation, being left out of history creates

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Speaker 1: a ripple effective impact across Native communities. That go through

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Speaker 1: this erasure and this whitewashing, the substantial harm that environmental

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Speaker 1: racism does to these communities and the environment at large.

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Speaker 1: Tera and I talk about this erasia and violence. We

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Speaker 1: talk about her work upon the environment, and she offers

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Speaker 1: a personal perspective that I think will be enlightening to

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Speaker 1: so many of you at home. She'll walk us through

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Speaker 1: what treaties are, the lack of federal response to violence

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Speaker 1: against Native people, especially Native women, and so much more.

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Speaker 1: And big news just yesterday a judge ordered the Dakota

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Speaker 1: Access pipeline shut down by August five. Tera and so

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Speaker 1: many indigenous activists have been fighting on the front line

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Speaker 1: of this issue, have been chanting and teaching the rest

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Speaker 1: of us. Water is life, nie we Tony. This is

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Speaker 1: a huge win for a movement and makes our conversation

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Speaker 1: feel even more timely. Tera will teach all of us

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Speaker 1: how we can lend our support and what justice really

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Speaker 1: looks like. Enjoy. I'm so excited to have you on

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Speaker 1: the podcast today and such a fan of your work,

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Speaker 1: and and I just think I think it's long overdue

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Speaker 1: I'm also incredibly inspired by the moment that we're in.

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Speaker 1: My I saw my dad for Father's Day and he

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Speaker 1: was telling me that, See, he said, seeing all of

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Speaker 1: marching we did for civil rights and against Vietnam, and

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Speaker 1: all the times we hit the streets in the sixties

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Speaker 1: And I was like, Dad, um, it was kind of interesting.

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Speaker 1: He was saying he felt he felt like nobody was

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Speaker 1: going to listen for a while, and now he's seeing

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Speaker 1: something that he never saw he'd see in his lifetime.

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Speaker 1: So does it does it feel different to you now,

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Speaker 1: the kind of the the moment, the kind of boiling

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Speaker 1: definitely feels different, just from like a visibility standpoint of

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Speaker 1: Native people in particular, I think that we've been kind

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Speaker 1: it's starting to feel a little different, you know. I Mean,

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Speaker 1: I think the resistance that happened in Standing Rock really

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Speaker 1: patriarchy and capitalism and these really um, you know, advanced

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Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are, They're really coming up, and

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Speaker 1: we not? When? What did we? But here we are

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Speaker 1: And I look at at these young kids and I

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Speaker 1: it's historically taken. I think a lot of us a

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Speaker 1: And and these kids, I'm like, you already know about that?

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Speaker 1: in hoe of all of them. Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: Like what what what fight will I take up? Or

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Speaker 1: what mantle? What issue? What? Uh? You know what am

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Speaker 1: I going to dedicate my time to to defend my

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Speaker 1: Like and I'm I will go and talk to those

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Speaker 1: systems and work, you know with them, but I'm that's

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Speaker 1: not ultimately what we're looking for. We're trying to build

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Speaker 1: feels like a different shift that that learning curve is

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Speaker 1: a it's that healing that's happening too well. And that's

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Speaker 1: something that I find so interesting, And you brought it

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Speaker 1: we're laying there the truth of all of this whitewashing

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Speaker 1: one of the things that you highlight in your TED

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Speaker 1: talk when you talk about the fact that when your

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Speaker 1: people have gone through erature, it then makes it so

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Speaker 1: much easier for people in power or people creating policy

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Speaker 1: think about it in those terms. You you really kind

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Speaker 1: who look like me, who you know read those history

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Speaker 1: one tribe maybefore, but that's it. You know. There there's

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Speaker 1: been a lot that we've not been taught, that we've

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Speaker 1: I think that's happening, you know, with all these monuments

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Speaker 1: You know, my one of my dear friends and I

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Speaker 1: They were put up as these racist warnings to people

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Speaker 1: and and we were just like, hey, there's real history

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Speaker 1: in America. The Confederacy, You guys only lasted four and

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Speaker 1: the White supremacy. And by the way, where we filmed

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Speaker 1: which lasted longer than than the Confederacy. Our show lasted

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Speaker 1: nine years. That's twice as long as the Confederacy. You

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Speaker 1: we don't want to repeat. We don't need to have

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Speaker 1: of something. And and we have to think about, your point,

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Speaker 1: what is it we're celebrating, Like where are we putting

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Speaker 1: our energy? Who who are we literally exalting and putting

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Speaker 1: up on a pedestal, And how for your community? You know,

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Speaker 1: as a person looking from the outside in, I just think,

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Speaker 1: how could we have erased the history of Native peoples

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Speaker 1: on this land? How could we not acknowledge that almost

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Speaker 1: every city to your point, cities, roads, counties like these,

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Speaker 1: all of these names come from native language and and

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Speaker 1: so things have always been taken, They've always been reappropriated.

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Speaker 1: children anymore. UM, And then that comes through right. So

431
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Speaker 1: like my grandmother now, who's like in our you know,

432
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: she in her seventies, not knowing anything and being embarrassed

433
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: about it, you know, and being so happy that somebody

434
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: has taken that back up. You know that there are

435
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: people that are proud of being indigenous. Again, I think

436
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: that means so much. But you know, I don't think

437
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: that that's that story and that UM experience is really

438
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: so far removed from humanity. I think that people are

439
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, whenever I talked to quote unquote white people

440
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: about their own understanding of who they are. You know,

441
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: there has to be some sort of I mean, I

442
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: think it's it's not real, right, like why does now

443
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: You're actually probably like maybe your English or your Scottish

444
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: or your eye fish or you're all these things, and

445
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: you probably had this beautiful you know, or maybe not

446
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: so beautiful, depending on what the situation was, but at

447
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: least you had there was a time that you were

448
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: deeply connected and tied into a culture that was centered in,

449
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, the the environment around you. And there's a

450
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: loss there too. You know. Maybe it's not so recent

451
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: as like my living grandmother, but there is definitely a

452
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: sense of loss, like there there must be, you know,

453
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: and I think that that process of finding who you

454
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: are and reconnecting to that gives people a deeper fulfillment

455
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: than many many other things attempt to mm hmm. I

456
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: think so too. It's it's interesting because what what got

457
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: me into politics in the first place. Political activism really

458
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: was fighting for the environment. I grew up in southern California,

459
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: so for me, the mountains in the ocean and the

460
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: forests like those are the places that we spent time,

461
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: you know, when I was growing up. That's where my

462
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: parents took me to be out in nature. My dad,

463
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: my dad is from Canada. You know when you talk

464
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: about the border towns of the lakes, literally in the middle,

465
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god, we've gone. We've done a back

466
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: and forth as a family. And it's funny because you're

467
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: like literally in the middle of the lake and you're like,

468
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna they're gun right now. What's happening is it's

469
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: so weird international waters. When you're like in the middle

470
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: like lake, You're like, what you realize how silly it.

471
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: You're like, what does this even mean? But you know,

472
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: my dad, my dad grew up his family. You know,

473
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: when I think about your points about what we've lost generationally,

474
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: my dad's grandparents had a little farm on the St.

475
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: Lawrence River and when Canada installed its major lock system

476
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: for you know, those giant shipping boats to come through

477
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: the river for for people listening at home, essentially it's

478
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: like these barriers that go up the river and they

479
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: can fill the locks to raise the water or lower

480
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: them down so these big boats can move. But when

481
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: you fill up a river, it means that you raise

482
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: the water line. And so my dad's grandparents, like just

483
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: their whole there. It was one year the government said,

484
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, we're we're taking land back and we're buying

485
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: land back for essentially nothing. And their farm is underwater,

486
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, their houses underwater now. And so I think

487
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: about my dad's stories and think about my great grandma's

488
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, stories of growing tomatoes in Italy like we

489
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: we did. To your point, we all used to have

490
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: a deeper connection to what was happening around us. And

491
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: it's not lost on me that we're in this time

492
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: where people are are discussing how to better advocate across

493
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: so many communities, how to acknowledge history that has been

494
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 1: unjustly erased. And you see all these moves around the

495
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: country of like urban farming, and I you know, I

496
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: see all these hipster kids like getting into growing zucchini,

497
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, something is something's happening, And it feels

498
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: it feels um, it feels really interconnected the way that

499
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: that you mentioned those relationships. Yeah, I mean I think

500
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: that I I when it comes to environmental justice and

501
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: environmental organizing and all that, I'm very strongly believe that

502
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: it we do ourselves a disservice by not centering the

503
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: land first and foremost in all those conversations, we get

504
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: tied up or I mean, I don't know as a whole,

505
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: I think that we get tied up into following the

506
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: more understood and familiar paths of what we just gotta

507
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: change the elections, and if we change the elections, and

508
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: we can make a little bit of change, and we

509
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: just got to like, you know, maybe we'll just shift

510
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: some stuff to some solar energy and then we'll you know,

511
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: we'll just go to renewables and that will solve the problem.

512
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: And then well, you know, we're trying to like technology

513
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: and use technology and use the same systems in the

514
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: same ways that have already been causing massive, massive harm

515
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: to us right into many many other living beings. And

516
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: I think there's so much to be said for a

517
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: value shift of really deeply understanding land and deeply understanding

518
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, our relationship to it, right like, instead of

519
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: being separate and creating these structured, kind of human made

520
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: separations that are really all in our heads. You know,

521
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: every single person on this earth needs soil to grow food.

522
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: Every person needs water to drink and air to breathe,

523
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: and those are fundamental truths and never ceases to shock

524
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: me that I have to explain it to grow an

525
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: adults who are sitting in positions of quote unquote soqual power,

526
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: and they've completely forgotten that. Yeah, you're like, this isn't

527
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: just exist by accident, right, or even I mean or

528
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: sitting among fellow environmental colleagues who I think, um, you know,

529
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: are overwhelmed. And there is certainly a lot of sadness

530
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: I think of the science of climate crisis and the

531
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: realities of just how far along we really are in

532
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: in the in our in our destructive paths as human beings.

533
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: But I really hope that we don't get too caught

534
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: up in that sadness and forget why we're doing what

535
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: we're doing, and we forget to put our feet in dirt,

536
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: and we forget to remember what it's about, you know,

537
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: and that's not self, you know, self granted or anything

538
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: like that. It's about it's about something else. Right. Well,

539
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: how when you when you talk about not getting caught

540
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: and continuing to press forward, I think about the work

541
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: that you do, and I'm curious, at what point did

542
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: you decide that you both needed and wanted to do

543
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: this I know that obviously, I'm like doing all of

544
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: this research, speaking out on all of this stuff that

545
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: you're working on. And I know you had internships of

546
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: the White how US in the Department of the Interior,

547
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 1: and and you know you've worked in a series of

548
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: tribal focused lobbying positions, and I'm curious, how did you

549
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: decide to take that step into this sort of arena

550
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: of political activism. I think sometimes there are folks who

551
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: are this is what I'm gonna do, and I wanted

552
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: to do it since I was five years old, and

553
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: I'm that person. I am not that person. Um you know,

554
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: I actually really wanted to be a doctor, a medical

555
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: doctor and work with um, you know, pediatrics and did

556
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: the whole science thing and all that and got that

557
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: training and ended up learning about the insurance side of

558
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: medicine in the United States, and I was like totally

559
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: appalled by that and went to law school on a whim.

560
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: One of my partner at the time was like, you

561
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: could go to law school, and I was like, huh,

562
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, like you go to law school, never had

563
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: seen law and order and like knew nothing about lawyers

564
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: at all, and just went thinking that you know, I

565
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: really like reading, and this might be an interesting thing

566
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: and kind of you know, just seeing what was in

567
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: front of me and working with that and learning from that.

568
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: So you know, the place I'm at now, which is

569
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: I live in the woods about two hundred yards of

570
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: opposed pipeline route from a you know, a couple of

571
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: years ago, I was sitting in a d C office

572
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: and wearing a suit and doing that every day on

573
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill. Is you know, at least to me when

574
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: I see um a truth in front of me. UM.

575
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: I think the the drive that my parents have instilled

576
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: in the values that we've instilled whip is to be

577
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: honest with yourself. And I think learning as much as

578
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: possible about the systems has been super valuable. It's been

579
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: a learning process obviously for myself, UM, as a person

580
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: who's maybe not quite so young anymore, but still not

581
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: really that old either. But I just saw things or

582
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: in front of me and like to do my best

583
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: to to do the best I could to represent out

584
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: in the world. In this world, can you explain to

585
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: the listeners what it is you do as a tribal attorney,

586
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: what what that means kind of in the legal system,

587
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: and what your cases are like and who you find

588
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: yourself up against. Yeah, sure, I mean so when I

589
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: was a full time practicing trouble lawyer, UM, I represented

590
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: tribes all over the country on a variety of issues,

591
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: everything ranging from doing gaming to Indian child welfare, you know,

592
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: which is trop protection and keeping trying to keep families

593
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: together too. You know, sometimes working on these environmental issues

594
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: that come across tribal nations dests. So someone wants to

595
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: build a pipeline through your your res or through your

596
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: treaty territory, or maybe there's a you know, a nuclear

597
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: plant that wants to dump waste some word in your watershed,

598
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 1: or there's just so many different issues that you work

599
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: on when you're a tribal attorney and you're kind of

600
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: working at them UM, at least myself. You can work

601
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: locally or you can work federally. I was working on

602
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: a more typically federal level, not so much inner in

603
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: tribal governance and in DC, I was doing a lot

604
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: of lobbying on the half of the the tribes, which means

605
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: meeting with the delegation of representatives from that particular region

606
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: and you know, pushing for things like hospitals, schools, program

607
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: funding for you know, uh, everything from youth programs to

608
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: elderly care all of that. And it's very strange being

609
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: a lobbyist in that situation because then you've got us

610
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: who gets like five minutes, and you've got the guy

611
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: next to you who works for big oil or big

612
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: tobacco or you know, the big egg, and they've got

613
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: like two hours and the lunch later, and you're like,

614
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: oh my god, like, this is this is the state

615
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: of politics, and this is how these politicians are all

616
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: in but well, and so it's something that's really fascinating

617
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: to me and for the listeners at home who might

618
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: be like, wait, what do you mean? The world of

619
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: lobbying and the inception of what we know to be

620
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: modern lobbyist culture in America in the seventies has inexplicably

621
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: damaged are our political system and what it's meant to do,

622
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: I e. Like, be for the people by the people, right,

623
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: Like what a joke, That's not what's happening. And and

624
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: if if I may, I just want to highlight for

625
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: you guys at home, part of what Tera is talking

626
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: about is she can sit and represent tribes and be

627
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: literally talking about things that that matter in life and death.

628
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: To your point, water, what's happening? You know, actual nuclear

629
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: power plants can dump toxic waste, and let's not forget

630
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump and his administration just made that even easier.

631
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: They rolled back water and air protections, which seems insane

632
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: since again to your point, we all have to drink

633
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: water and breathe air to live. But that's that's her

634
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: a separate day. But the fact that these core brit

635
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: lobbyists who are the ones essentially defending their quote right

636
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: to dump toxic waste into watersheds and and literally endanger

637
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: people and the environment because of how much money they

638
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: put into the political system, they get so much time

639
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: and and their systems are essentially called necessary and and

640
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: they're not. You know, um if if folks listening to

641
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: this episode also listened to the conversation that I got

642
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: to have with Zack Bush last year. We talked about

643
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: regenerative agriculture, which can completely turn around environmental devastation also

644
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: increase profits to farmers by cease chemical usage. There's no

645
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: bad side to this stuff. And yet because a lot

646
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: of corporations make a lot of money selling agricultural chemicals

647
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: and and you know the like back and forth to

648
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: each other. These systems are allowed to remain when it's us,

649
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: the people who live here, who are who are all

650
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: suffering the side effects. So if this sounds crazy to you,

651
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: I just want you all at home to know, like,

652
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: dig in, do some research. Obviously, you know we'll be

653
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: thinking to terrorist Ted talk and every other brilliant thing

654
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: she's you know, spoken at and written for this episode.

655
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 1: But I really encourage you to look into this stuff

656
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: because so many of us have not only been kind

657
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: of so many of us suffer not only the divestment

658
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: of our relationship to nature, but of our relationship to

659
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: our judiciary systems and to the people who make these policies.

660
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: And they kind of get made in the dark, and

661
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: a lot of us don't know about it. So that's

662
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: my rant about that. Thank you for the way that

663
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: you have defended the environment in those rooms. And oh

664
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: my god, I can't imagine how frustrating it is to

665
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: get ten minutes to argue for the environment and and

666
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: for human rights and then see these polluters get two hours.

667
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: How do you how do you figure out or how

668
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: did you when when that was your full time job.

669
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: How did you figure out how to not lose it?

670
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I would just be screaming and everybody

671
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, I mean I think, uh, you know,

672
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: my reactions to seeing a very even to me, I

673
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: was pretty shocked at the level of corruption and at

674
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: the once I really understood that, you know, oftentimes congressional members,

675
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: even with the best intentions, have deep debts that are

676
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: owed to the party um that they actually have a

677
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: certain amount of fundraising that they have to do every

678
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: single day to maintain the position in office. That you know,

679
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: we essentially have a system that's unlimited campaign budgets, right

680
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: Like that's what the U S system is founded upon,

681
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 1: which leads to a whole mess of other problems. Seeing

682
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: that led to kind of my putting on another hat,

683
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: which was I started showing up to protests, you know,

684
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: and I I actually have not been a quote unquote

685
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: long time activist. I didn't go to my first march

686
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: and until in d C. And it was against the

687
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: keysn XEL pipeline, which I was familiar with because it

688
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: had been at the White House Counsel Environmental Quality an

689
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: insurance there. And so I started seeing this other advocacy

690
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: stream and seeing the impacts that that had, you know,

691
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: that that specific piece of the project into forcing and

692
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: bringing to light many issues that I think would not

693
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: see the light of day had it not been for

694
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: the people themselves pushing for them and showing up at

695
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: you know, showing up at John Carey's house, showing up

696
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: at you know, though maybe not the White House and

697
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: White Houses protested a single day, but you know, understanding

698
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: like the local governance levels and and really pushing all

699
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: those different lovers and so I basically it was a

700
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: full time new associated at a big law firm or

701
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: a midsize law firm and also organizing demonstrations and attending

702
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: them on my lunch breaks. It was It was wild.

703
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: That's so cool. And I think to your point, the

704
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: protests at Standing Rock, the protests over the Keystone Excel

705
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: pipeline were such a wake up call to so many

706
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: people about what was happening. And one of the things

707
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: that made me frustrated about it was learning that the

708
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: pipeline was supposed to go through like a more affluent

709
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: white neighborhood and that everybody protested and said, oh, absolutely not,

710
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: We're not having that here. It's dangerous. And then the

711
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 1: government said, okay, cool, well we'll build it through a reserve,

712
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: we'll build it through territories that belong to Native Americans.

713
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: And I just can't fathom how that's okay. And yet

714
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: over and over again we see that this is how

715
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: the system your works. Can you walk listeners through this

716
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: kind of culture of pipelines, how dangerous these things are,

717
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: and and and talk to us about what was what

718
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: was happening at Standing Rock? A bit? Uh sure? I

719
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: mean I would say that to get a sense of

720
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: There are many pipeline maps that exist out there, typically

721
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: awesome by right wingers that are saying, look at all

722
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: these existing pipelines, I can't believe you guys are protesting

723
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: these ones. There is an aging infrastructure system that is

724
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: underneath the whole of what's now the United States are

725
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: what is to me Turtle Island, hundreds and hundreds and

726
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: hundreds of lines of transporting everything from fract oil to

727
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: natural gas to tar stands just really really dirty. The

728
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: dirtiest form of fossil fuels in the world that comes

729
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: from Alberta, Canada. There is a very heavy push by

730
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: the fossil fuel industry to continue their method of operation,

731
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: which is a continual expansion no matter what they have

732
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,479
Speaker 1: to expand its exponential growth. That is what they've built

733
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: their entire model on UM, which means that as we've

734
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: reached the point of these these old pipelines starting to

735
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: kind of age and corrode and crack and they can't

736
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: hold quite as much, or there's lots of spills and

737
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: they're blowing up towns and small places all over the country.

738
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: It happens at least every month, you know, there's some

739
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: crazy massive explosion that kills a couple of people. Are

740
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: almost skills some people or whatever that they want to

741
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: build new pipelines, really really big pipelines UM. Their responses, well,

742
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: let's let's let's leave the old ones. Will will keep

743
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 1: the old ones in the ground, We'll let them rot,

744
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: and then we'll build these brand new ones and keep

745
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: expanding our industry and we'll create new jobs with that.

746
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: You know. That's kind of like their plan, I guess

747
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: for however, many years until the planet is completely on

748
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: fire and I'm uninhabitable, you know. And so what with

749
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: the situation in North Dakota, and why I would say

750
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: I personally felt so pulled and drawn to go to

751
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: that place. I mean, I left Washington, d C. And

752
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: left I packed myself in our rental car and went

753
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: to this place I've never heard of, you know. And

754
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: the reason that I felt so drawn was because, you know,

755
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: there's so many projects that happened in these out of sight,

756
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: out of mind places. There's so many of these projects

757
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: that happen in in Indian countries. Specifically, we live in

758
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: places that are you know, there's many many Indians that

759
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: live in cities and urban populations, about seventy percent of

760
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: us actually living our populations. But then there's this whole

761
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: other group of people who are living in reservations, reserves

762
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: or in border towns, and we're way to back out there,

763
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, where we're on the land that people don't

764
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: think of, and we're next to a lot of public land,

765
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: and we're next to state you know, forests and national

766
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: forests and all those things. So when these projects are proposed,

767
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: they typically get proposed through or near our territory. In

768
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: Standing Rock, it was proposed actually go through Bismarck originally,

769
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: that's the white town that's just above it. They actually

770
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: didn't really have to protest that much. They literally just

771
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: were like no, like this is dangerous for our people,

772
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, okay, and then moved it south

773
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: to go through the rest and so it was not

774
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: to them it was risky to put it through this population,

775
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: but definitely okay to put it through another. And that

776
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: environmental racism is carried across the board, you know, like

777
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: that's black and brown communities that are in urban centers

778
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: that are breathing in chemical toxic you know, toxifiers from

779
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: nearby plants that are magically in their neighborhoods. It's you

780
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: know what I talk to sisters from m a Lockridge,

781
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: from the dirtiest zip code the United States in Detroit.

782
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: It's the fact that her neighborhood, which was now almost

783
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: entirely black neighborhood, right next to a Tar Sans refinery,

784
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: the same tar sands of the pipeline. I'm trying to

785
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: fight that the white folks in the neighborhood were offered

786
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: here's your here's your home value, and you can move

787
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: somewhere else, but the black folks in the neighborhood were

788
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 1: not offered that same courtesy. You know. It's it's basically

789
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: valuing a specific community over another and saying it's not

790
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: okay for me, but it's okay for you, and there's

791
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: not enough of you to really make that big of

792
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: a difference. So, you know, I mean that's kind of

793
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: what we've seen with with all these different social justice issues, right,

794
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: which is, well, black black men are being killed by

795
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: the police. But I mean, you know that's that's you, guys,

796
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: and maybe you shouldn't commit so much crying, right or

797
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: like these ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous responses to it, instead of

798
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: being like, why are black people so disproportionately being killed

799
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: by police? Why are Native people beingsportionally killed by police?

800
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: You know, like, what is the issue here? And why

801
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: is that community being so heavily targeted? Why is that

802
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: community experiencing such a different treatment at the hands of

803
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: law enforcement. Yeah, I wish people were more thoughtful and

804
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: like they're when they're looking at something into and I

805
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: think when you look at the numbers to your point,

806
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: the disproportionate killings of black and brown people at the

807
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 1: hands of the police, disproportionate experiences of everything from poverty

808
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: to violence. That's so many Native people experience here in

809
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: what so many people call America, These things cannot be ignored.

810
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: What what always strikes me as very obvious in the

811
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: same way that you know, talking about the environment felt

812
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: so obvious, feels so obvious to you and to so

813
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: many people in those rooms where decisions are made. It

814
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: feels so obvious to me that if our neighbors are suffering,

815
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: so are we. Like, there is no such thing as liberation,

816
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as real safety if it isn't

817
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: for everyone. And my my real hope is that that

818
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: that that is something that is coming into very sharp

819
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: focus right now for us as people. And and when

820
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: we think about proportions and ratios, something I also would

821
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: like to offer to listeners which I find to be

822
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: so incredibly inspiring and also such an indicator. And we

823
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: often talk about trusting experts, right while we should trust

824
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: the experts, it's like, well, who are the experts in

825
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: terms of what the indigenous community globally does for the world.

826
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: Indigenous people's make up five percent of the world's population,

827
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: and you are the stewards of of the world's nature

828
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: and wildlife. We should be as we design new systems

829
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: to try to protect the environment. We should be trusting

830
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: your expertise, and I I think about that statistic often

831
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: when I think about the environment, and I thought about

832
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: it watching your TED talk, when you talked about how

833
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: as you were fighting for the funding you mentioned earlier

834
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: that you would be told over and over again, you

835
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: know quote Indian people can't manage their financial affairs, and

836
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: I was like, excuse me again, I'm so amazed by

837
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: your poise because you are so you have this like

838
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 1: beautifully even attitude where you just bring up a fact

839
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: and I don't know how you do it. I just

840
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: I think you're a rock star because I've I like,

841
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: my blood is boiling all the time, and I I,

842
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't help accompliment you because I just

843
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: think you're the coolest person. But I offer some of

844
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: those interjections into our conversation for the people who I

845
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: know are listening to this, because I really want to

846
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: try to put some of this in perspective for the

847
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: folks who might be listening to to whom this is

848
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: a new conversation. You know, it's important for us to

849
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: understand the history of everything from Indian culture to treaty rights,

850
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: to what's happening to our environment, and and the way

851
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: that so many Native people are really leading the charge

852
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 1: to defend it. We want folks to listen to Greta,

853
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: and I want folks to listen to the youth strikers

854
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: and to listen to all of these children that are

855
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: rising all over the world like that is such a beautiful,

856
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: powerful thing. I really also hope that as people who

857
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: seem so deeply hung up on stickistical analysis and climate

858
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: crisis being broken down into numbers and figures, and you know,

859
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 1: so many articles shared on the latest horrific thing coming

860
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: out of the Arctic, you know that it was a

861
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: hundred degrees or whatever, that there's also space and thought

862
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: for the fact that we're five percent of global population

863
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: holding eight percent of the world's biodiversity. Five So we've

864
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 1: got some things figured out, and that we are, yes,

865
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 1: we are now kind of like often or sometimes being

866
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: brought into these spaces with these you know, typically white

867
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: male or white female climate faces as we process information,

868
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: that we understand that just because the words are maybe

869
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: not so familiar, and because the outlook is not as

870
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: easily understood, that it's not broken down into a series

871
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: of statistical data or analysis or whatever. We can give

872
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: you that too, but that we really try to listen

873
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: the knowledge is being shared. Then when we're talking about

874
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: climate crisis, just from a straight statistical standpoint, you know,

875
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: if you've got a people that's so such a small

876
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: segment of the population holding so much of our future

877
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: in their hands, maybe we should empower those hands and

878
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: lift those hands up. Maybe like that. It's actually a

879
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: pretty um solid and intelligent and you know, thoughtful contribution

880
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: to figure out how do I empower indigenous sovereignty around

881
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: the world. How do I make sure that these extractive industries,

882
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: these expansive extractive industries, can't continue to do this and

883
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: destroy the rainforest, that someone like Bolsonaro can't go burn

884
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: down the Amazon willingly and ly in front of the world,

885
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: burning the world's lungs. You know that maybe if we

886
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: had a better network and understanding of how to empower

887
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: and really try to put in things like rights of

888
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: nature into our understandings of our legal systems, that our

889
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: liberation also is tied into that right, that we can

890
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: do this together. Mm hmm. From your vantage point, are

891
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: there suggestions you would make? Because I'm sitting here like

892
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: fervently nodding, I know there's so many people who are

893
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: listening to this conversation doing the same. How do you

894
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: suggest we begin to act on this stuff in in

895
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: real time as as people are getting more and more

896
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: conscientious about calling their representatives and sending in the emails

897
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: and signing the petitions. What what do you think the

898
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: big wishes can look like for for each of us

899
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: who considers themselves to be like, you know, just one

900
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: voter or an average citizen who is trying to figure

901
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: out how to make a difference. Yeah, I mean, I

902
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: think you know, I mentioned that in the in the

903
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: in my ted talk, which was it's hard for me

904
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: to even found them. What it would look like if

905
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: treaty obligations were actually upheld, that Indian people did not

906
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: have to go and fight for services that are mandated

907
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 1: by law, Um that we have not had since those

908
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: laws were signed. Um, that are people were not you know,

909
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: I think that it's pretty well understood generally even in

910
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: the population that Indian people are oftentimes a deeply poverty

911
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: stricting situations that you know, basic healthcare, education, all that

912
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 1: infrastructure is woefully inadequate. Mhm. Oftentimes you know, we are

913
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: being put into the is you know, situations because the

914
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 1: you know, the mind is knocking at the back door,

915
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: and we're sitting there with a hundred other pressing issues,

916
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe there were ten suicides in the

917
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: last month, you know, I mean of like a very

918
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: small population, and so it's really hard to be able

919
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: to be these defenders that we want to be if

920
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: we're also in a situation where we're dealing so many

921
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: other things that I think would help massively. Um, So

922
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: ask your reps, you know, what are you doing in

923
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: for Native people? What are you doing for native appropriations? Specifically,

924
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 1: are you appropriating the the amounts actually fund these programs?

925
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: But I think on a on a more deep level,

926
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: like to anybody that is, you know, listening or trying

927
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, what do I do? I

928
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: think there's lots of things that we all can do.

929
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: You know, we can change our carbon footprint individually, and

930
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: we can try to eat conscientiously and buy our clothes conscientiously,

931
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: and think about the hands that are behind it, right Like,

932
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: think about the hands that are holding each piece of

933
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: fruit as you pick it up. Think about the hands

934
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 1: that are behind each thread that you're that's on your body.

935
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: You know, I also hope that we are teaching each

936
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: other and teaching our our new generations about other values

937
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: and about other forms of quote unquote power. And I

938
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: don't think this accepting it wholesale is it's helpful? Right?

939
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: And I'm curious, do you think that there's a a

940
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: real need for deeper education and awareness around what happened

941
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: and what is happening to native people's here? Absolutely? I

942
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: mean education is like I can't tell you the number

943
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: of people that I've met that are that our US

944
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: citizens that they meet me in d C. And they

945
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: would be I thought you guys didn't exist, like straight

946
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: up you know, like this like thought we were or

947
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: asking these questions that are like did you write? Like

948
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: do you have like a horse? Like are you you know,

949
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 1: are you do you live in a DP or like whatever?

950
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, my TV's got like WiFi a

951
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: second story. They're like what And I'm like what are

952
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: you asking me? Like are you serious? Like but yeah, actually,

953
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: you know what, It's okay, Like I actually do have

954
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: a TV. But that's like, you know, it's living in

955
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: two different worlds, in two different spaces, right, Like it's

956
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,959
Speaker 1: not like we just stopped when and like they killed

957
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: all the buffalo and tried to put native people onto

958
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: as many of you know, I kind of find reservations

959
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: as possible. It didn't end there, you know, it kept going,

960
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: and now there's like a whole bunch of us that

961
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: are in all kinds of different spaces and places. Some

962
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: of us are maybe like living the path I'm on

963
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: where I'm like half in, half out of like you know,

964
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm half in the forest, half out of the forest,

965
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: like whenever I'm on the road. But then others are

966
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: out in d C, they're living in completely Um, They're

967
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: they're in l A, They're they're all over the place. Um.

968
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: So something that I think is interesting just from the

969
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: standpoint of education. Again, for for folks listening at home,

970
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you this really expert, but

971
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: for anyone who's listening who's heard you make reference to

972
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: the treaty laws that have never been upheld. There's obviously

973
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: a lot of information available, you know, to you guys

974
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: listeners online, But but so that we can understand a

975
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: little bit about what we're discussing. Historically, Congress force tribes

976
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: onto land that they essentially assumed was unsuitable for tribes

977
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: to build self sustaining economies and then teara to your point,

978
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: programs like health services and education services were grossly underfunded.

979
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: And then the real kicker guys comes in when Congress,

980
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: along with all these kind of big lobbyists, realized that

981
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: the land it had given to many tribes actually had

982
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: incredible value to natural resources. And that's when Congress essentially

983
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: attempted to erase Indian country entirely. So this is the

984
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: kind of flight that exists on the services level, on

985
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: the environmental level, on the actual geographical level. And and

986
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 1: when we then begin understanding the complexities of modern experience,

987
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: from protesters being beaten by a militarized police force at

988
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: Standing Rock to as we touched on earlier, the experiences

989
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: of violence that Indigenous people go through, but specifically, Indigenous

990
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: women face the highest rates of violence and sexual assault

991
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: in this country. It shouldn't be, to your point, statistical,

992
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: but if we don't look at the writing on the wall,

993
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: and we can and you to try to deny that

994
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: it's happening, we are continuing to add to the erasure

995
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: of Native people. And I just really want everybody who's

996
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: listening to sit with that for a moment, and if

997
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: it upsets you in the way that it upsets me,

998
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: if it upsets you in the way that I hope

999
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: that it does. I really hope that we can all

1000
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: follow terrorists lead and figure out how to positively contribute

1001
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: to a conversation advocate demand that our representatives are having

1002
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: conversations and demanding resources for these communities, which again to

1003
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: your point, those resources are mandated, they've just never been

1004
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: lived up to. There's them and you know, I think

1005
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: understanding of you know, even um, the US gave us

1006
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: something we gave the US, the US, you know, like

1007
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: the reality is that they had a very serious Indian

1008
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: problem and did their absolute best to attempts to conquer

1009
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: us and that didn't work out. So they had to

1010
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: do it through trying to sign agreements, and then they

1011
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: did their best to try to eradicate us through cultural

1012
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: gen side that didn't work. As they try to do

1013
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: our their best to eradicate us by taking our children,

1014
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: that that in work. Heither and Native people have subboringly

1015
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: persisted because this is this is where we're from, right yeah,

1016
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: And as we exists now side by side with each other,

1017
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: you know one that you know, uh I think there's

1018
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: a level of understanding that any nominative person can have,

1019
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: which is, you know, which who's landing my on and

1020
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, how do I come to terms with that?

1021
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: How to reconcile with that, and what's the best way

1022
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: forward for that? And then to like to anybody that's

1023
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, believe strongly in democracy, believes in the at

1024
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,919
Speaker 1: least the vision of what the United States proposed, which

1025
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: is like, you know, we the people, even though the

1026
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: people were not all the people at that point, right,

1027
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: Like the even foundations of the have some very serious

1028
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: laws of dehumanization and you know, human chattel and like

1029
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: all those things. But like, beyond all that, where we're

1030
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,439
Speaker 1: at right now is we're all trying to at least

1031
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: many of us are, are pushing for equity and for

1032
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: a real functional democracy. It should upset every single person

1033
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: that's looking at that that Native people do not have

1034
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: the same jurisdictional prosecution rates and authority as every other person,

1035
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: every other group on this land. That if a non

1036
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: native person comes onto a reservation and rapes a Native woman,

1037
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: that we oftentimes cannot prosecute that person, and if we can,

1038
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: it's at lesser rates. So we can only give him

1039
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: a couple of years, and we can only give them

1040
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: give him a few thousands llars with the fines like

1041
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: that is so shockingly appalling. And sitting in a law

1042
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: school class with your fellow students as they're sitting here

1043
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: hearing that next to you and say something like that's wait,

1044
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: this is America. That's not fair, and then you look

1045
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: at them and say, no, that's your America. This is

1046
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: what we experience here in this country that we actually

1047
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: do not have the same We don't even have the

1048
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: same laws, you know, we don't have access to the

1049
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: same laws or rights because of a whole series of

1050
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, Supreme court cases and also like congressional fixes

1051
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: that have tried to address that for years and have

1052
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: never been able to successfully pass. You know, the violence

1053
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: against women against Native women is extreme, and it is

1054
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: well known by human traffickers, by drug cartels, by extractive industry,

1055
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: by so many different industries that are extremely harmful to

1056
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: women and children. Mm hm, why why is the federal

1057
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: response so awful? And and it may seem like an

1058
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: ignorant question, but truly, how can it be permissible to

1059
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: allow for those enormous gaps in the in the law

1060
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: in prosecution. I understand that it's so many series of

1061
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: events that have been designed to um to humanize the

1062
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: native population. But what do we do now? How do

1063
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: we again? How how can people listening who might not

1064
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: live anywhere near the communities we're talking about, but who

1065
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: want to when support? Is there anything that that can

1066
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: be done about this? Is there is there a legal

1067
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: battle underway? Or is this something that the government is

1068
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: managing to just kind of push under the proverbial rug?

1069
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: What what's what's the current landscape look like? So they've

1070
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: tried to fix this forever since the Olifan case happened,

1071
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: which was the case from the Supreme Court that stripped

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01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: us of criminal jurisdiction in a very real way in

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01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: and really left us essentially unable to protect our own people.

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01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: So that happened in the fifties, and where we're at

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01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: now is there have been some changes that have happened

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01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: through legislation. There is a piece of law, the Vince

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01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: Against Women Reauthorization Act, right that comes up every couple

1078
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: of years or whatever. They've tried to put in fixes

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01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,919
Speaker 1: within that, specifically for Native women and Alaska Native populations.

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01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: There have been some advances in that. UM. Oftentimes they'll

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01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: come with caveats of if you guys are gonna be

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01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: able to prosecute like us, you have to have court

1083
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: systems just like us. So that means you have to

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01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: have this and you have to have public defenders, and

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01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: you have to have jails that can support it, and

1086
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: you have to have this many staff, and you have

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01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: to have all these things. We're actually gonna funding in

1088
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: those things, but we're gonna make but you have to

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01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: have them otherwise you don't get this protection, right like,

1090
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: instead of what the situation is, which is, if you

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01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: go into another state, no matter what county it is,

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01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: no matter how small the courtroom is, no matter how

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01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: small the jails, if you commit a crime, you're gonna

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01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: get charged with the crime, right Like, That's how it works.

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01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: You know. The pushback that I've seen, and that is

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01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: not just limited to Republicans. It's also just ignorance across

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01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: the board, I think, and also apprehension and old fears

1098
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: and a lot of stereotyping, UM, which is you know,

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01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: there was this instance, I think in North Dakota where

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01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: a state's statesman got up and said, you know, if

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01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: this law passes, every white man in America should be

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01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: terrified to step onto an Indian reservation. And this woman

1103
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: got up in the audience and said, just don't rape

1104
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: anybody and you'll be fine, Like you know what I mean,

1105
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: Like that's how could you begin to even say something

1106
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: like that, you know, like that you should be scared

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01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: to step onto an Indian reservation because you might get

1108
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: prosecuted for a crime you commit. Like that is um

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01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: I think uh. To me, it was an example of

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01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: really understanding just how deeply entrenched racism is when it

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01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: comes to Native people that you know, we're a population

1112
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: where they'll try to pull racism that we have to

1113
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: actually prove that. So many of us are offended by

1114
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: people literally put in painting their faces and putting on

1115
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: fake turkey feathers to like show that we're offended. You

1116
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: know that we have national sports teams and Halloween costumes

1117
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: and zero representation in any real way Like that is

1118
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: where we're at it. So, you know, I think it's um.

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01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: Invisibility has many different um outcomes, but some of them

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01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: are extremely deadly, and that's happening across the board for

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01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: lots of people. I mean that's happening with black men

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01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: right now, right like, that's what happens when your population

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01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: is systemically undermined, dehumanized, and terminalized. You know that you

1124
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: are still quote unquote and sabbage people. Well, and I

1125
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: can't begin to fathom what it feels like to live

1126
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: in a country, to live on land which was always

1127
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: your people's land, but to live in a cun tree

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01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: that committed a genocide against you people and then refuses

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01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that that happened, refuses to accurately include teaching

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01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: about treaties and Native people's in its curriculum, and and

1131
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: then in present experience wild denying history, purports and and

1132
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: upholds racist imagery, and this this mascot nightmare and denies

1133
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: what's happening to Native women. It feels like from the

1134
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: outside looking in, it makes me angry and sad, and

1135
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: I I I honestly am at a loss for words

1136
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: for the totality of the experience. And and it doesn't

1137
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: surprise me that there is depression and that there are

1138
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: so many incidents of young people taking their lives in

1139
01:08:55,479 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: the community. How do you look at all of that

1140
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: and move forward? Because I think anyone who's been through

1141
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,480
Speaker 1: trauma gets asked the question, well, how did you manage?

1142
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: And then you just say, well, I didn't have any

1143
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 1: other choice. But when you're pursuing, truly pursuing justice for

1144
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: your people, for the environment, how do you then begin

1145
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: to envision something new? Is it? Is it through the law?

1146
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: Is it through teaching? Is it through your collective which

1147
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: we haven't touched on yet, What for you feels like

1148
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:39,879
Speaker 1: the path forward? So all those UM pieces are obviously

1149
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: very painful, right, and it's it's um, I guess something

1150
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: that you know you can become used to, but it

1151
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: never stops really hurting, right, And it never um really

1152
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 1: truly pushes that both anger and sadness away, Like it's there, right,

1153
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: It's it's there even when you're sitting in circles of

1154
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: other persons of color, or you're setting with other allies,

1155
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: and people forget that you're there, even when you're there,

1156
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, even when you're physically there looking at them,

1157
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 1: they forget. And then there's also all this lateral violence

1158
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,919
Speaker 1: and hurt within the community, and like you know, substance

1159
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: a peace and intergenerational poverty and trauma and all that,

1160
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: and that really hurts also. But you know, I think

1161
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:29,919
Speaker 1: this word resilient gets thrown around a lot when Native

1162
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 1: people are brought into the conversation at the times that

1163
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: we are, that we've been through genocide after genocide after

1164
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: genocide and are still here. And to me, I think,

1165
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: you know, the the strength of the wisdom that has

1166
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: passed between indigenous generations of people is so incredibly powerful,

1167
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: and like, to me, it's grounding, right, It's like, know what,

1168
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: I know that I'm standing on my own two feet,

1169
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: and I know that I'm holding this wisdom that's been

1170
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 1: passed on through generations, through thousands of first that I

1171
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: fully grasp that I'm standing in like this very long

1172
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: line of people perform for me to be here and

1173
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: that I am hopefully going to have this very long

1174
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 1: line of people that come after me. To me, it's that,

1175
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, and that's maybe specific to maybe indigenous wisdom

1176
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: and in those ceremonies and those teachings and the language

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01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: and all the pieces that are have kept our people

1178
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: around for all these years. But I think there's also

1179
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: something to be said for really truly understanding that you

1180
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 1: are just one link in this big chain and rather

1181
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: than feeling overwhelmed, but feeling deeply comforted by that that

1182
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 1: you have so many people who stood behind you to

1183
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: get you here. You know that your life is so

1184
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: important and that you uh have this one chance to

1185
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: be in this plane of existence, that we have this

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01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: one opportunity to do something and and say something or

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01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 1: contribute something. Maybe it's art, maybe it's music, Maybe it's

1188
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: an advocacy, maybe it's you know something, maybe it's just

1189
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: maybe here to make a family and make the best

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01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: children in the in the world you possibly can. You know, like,

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01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: there's so many beautiful pieces, and to me, there's so

1192
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 1: many beautiful pieces of being in a business person. You know,

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01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: it's it just comes with it. You know, there's really ugly,

1194
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: hard pieces too, but the beautiful parts are so powerful.

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01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's beautiful. What when you're when you're rooted

1196
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 1: in that, because that that feels like it's so swollen

1197
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 1: with potential and goodness, And it's that kind of perspective

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01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: that just for me as a human and as a

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01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: person who's on the outside booking in on this particular experience,

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01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: that makes me feel like, hell, yeah, there's there's a path.

1201
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: What is what is justice look like? In your mind,

1202
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: what do you what do you hope to cultivate and

1203
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: to see moving forward? You know the space that uh

1204
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 1: I and other folks have worked really hard to create,

1205
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: which just to touch on the work that our collective

1206
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,759
Speaker 1: does as we've built this, you know, this resistance camp

1207
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: right but does a lot of direct action and advocacy

1208
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: and we go after fossil fuel funding and you know,

1209
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: in corporate spaces and in the streets and all these

1210
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: different things. But it's also a space that is very

1211
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: deeply grounded in indigenous traditions and wisdom, which includes food sovereignty,

1212
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 1: which includes you know this this healing that's so needed,

1213
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: and that means things like chopping wood for elders and

1214
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: showing up in medicine lodges and putting in work and

1215
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: helping you know, the the Sun Dance Lodge come together,

1216
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: helping being the elder get connected to the youth that

1217
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: needs to you know, that needs that needs that. And

1218
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: for me, that means doing my absolute best to use

1219
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:10,560
Speaker 1: the understandings that I've learned and the westernized world to

1220
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: uplift and I guess empower the teachings and uh occurring

1221
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 1: that's within the indigenous world and to always carry all

1222
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: the indigenous world with me no matter where I go.

1223
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: You know, I think, I I think that English does

1224
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: a it's it's a language that does a disservice, right,

1225
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: like we're starting, we're speaking in English right now, and

1226
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 1: it's so limiting, you know for me, Like I think

1227
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: of the word um so one of the one of

1228
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 1: the lodges I'm part of, and teachings I've been learning

1229
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: for a very long time, ever since I was twenty,

1230
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: which has been now mid day win. My day win

1231
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: is you know, the basic English translation is just like

1232
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: medicine society, right, It's just a medicine society. But my

1233
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 1: day win is about oh day is like your heart.

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01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: And so the word it's an you know, words are

1235
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: really action filled. It's really about someone filling someone else's heart.

1236
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: So I'm filling the knowledge of my heart and filling yours,

1237
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, And so thinking of it like that, you know,

1238
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 1: thinking about filling your heart up and keeping it full

1239
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: and maintaining that and filling that with love and from

1240
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: teachings from others like that is you know, I think

1241
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,919
Speaker 1: that that happening that would help so many people overcome

1242
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: all these doubts and struggles that they carry with them

1243
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: so many spaces. I mean, I see, I see a

1244
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: lot of really hurt people operating in a lot of

1245
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: different spaces. That sucks to me. It almost feels like

1246
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:53,600
Speaker 1: a reclamation is necessary, like a reclamation of our humanity,

1247
01:15:53,680 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: our intuition, our relationships to nature. I I think about remember,

1248
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 1: as a kid, my dad actually teaching me. He talked

1249
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: to me a lot about you know what I wasn't

1250
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: learning in the history books, and he wanted me to

1251
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: read books about Native people. And I'm so grateful. It's crazy.

1252
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: As an adult, I look back, I'm like, God, I mean,

1253
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: parents are pretty fucking cool. They're just They're just some cool,

1254
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: dialed humans. And and my dad, seeing how geeked I

1255
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 1: was on nature. I remember as a kid, asked me

1256
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: to consider a native principle that you would make decisions

1257
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:44,520
Speaker 1: based on how they would affect seven generations into the future.

1258
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 1: And I think about how profound that is, how beautiful

1259
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: that is. And I also think about the profound loss

1260
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: that's happened in so many cultures that don't think that way,

1261
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:00,759
Speaker 1: the damage we've caused to the world around us, into

1262
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: each other, and of course, there's a lot of hurt

1263
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: people walking around. We haven't really considered our impact and

1264
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: and the impact we have on each other. And and

1265
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 1: so when I think about the work that your collective

1266
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: is doing, when I when I think about all these

1267
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 1: youth activists demanding change, I'm like, there it is there.

1268
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: There are spaces where we are demanding to consider our

1269
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: impact in in real ways and in deeper ways. And

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01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: I I feel really incredibly inspired about building new systems

1271
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 1: with those considerations. So I guess that's my very long

1272
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: winded way of saying thank you for the work that

1273
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: you're doing and and for taking the time to, you know,

1274
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 1: come and have a conversation. I must admit it. I'm

1275
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: usually I feel like I'm usually better at this, but

1276
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely just such a fan of yours and trying

1277
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 1: to figure out how to do the thing is host

1278
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: where I'm like, what if someone who's listening to this

1279
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: episode doesn't know anything about this? I have to ask

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Speaker 1: questions that feel obvious but also are not obvious, And

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm trying. Guy's just also just keep my ship together.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for your humoring me for the last

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Speaker 1: hour and a half. I I have one more question

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Speaker 1: for you, and it is my favorite thing to ask

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Speaker 1: everyone who comes on the podcast because it's always a

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Speaker 1: place that I tend to find some new thought. The

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Speaker 1: show is called work in Progress, and I'm curious, what

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Speaker 1: is the idea of a work in progress stor for

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Speaker 1: you right now? What what feels like a work in

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Speaker 1: progress either in your life for or in the space

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Speaker 1: around you that you're thinking about at present? I'm a

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Speaker 1: work in progress. I think every single person walking this earth.

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Speaker 1: As a way I've been taught is that we are

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Speaker 1: all a work in progress. When we sit in a

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Speaker 1: circle together in a launch, there are elders that know

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Speaker 1: a lot right, and then there's little babies at the end,

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Speaker 1: and then there's people like that are maybe somewhere in

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Speaker 1: the middle and they're trying to learn the most they

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Speaker 1: can they can pass it on to the next babies

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Speaker 1: that are coming in right like. And that's how the

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Speaker 1: log of orients of every single person sitting in there,

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Speaker 1: it's all a work in progress because we're all pitiful

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Speaker 1: human beings and we are doing our absolute best two

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Speaker 1: do the past we can in this life that we

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Speaker 1: have and that we're gonna make mistakes and we're going

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Speaker 1: to screw up and we're not going to be the

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Speaker 1: best people we could be at that moment, but we

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Speaker 1: can always pick ourselves back up and try again. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm a working progress, so I'll definitely say that I'm

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Speaker 1: always trying to learn as many new skills and learn

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Speaker 1: as many new, um, you know, bits of wisdom as

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Speaker 1: as I really can to to do my best and

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Speaker 1: to be a beneficial piece of by community. And of

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Speaker 1: this time I have here protecting those zoomers, right, these

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Speaker 1: little zoomers that are coming up. I just learned what

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Speaker 1: they are called the other day and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: is I wish you guys are called? I love that?

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Speaker 1: When like five, Like when did that happen? Honestly, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I realize I'm a millennial and I'm like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're not the youth anymore. Yep. That was a crazy thing.

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Speaker 1: But I really appreciate the time. Um and oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: that you ask. That's super cool. I told some of

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Speaker 1: the zoomers that I was going on a podcast here.

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Speaker 1: They were like so excited. I love that. That's so cool. Well,

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Speaker 1: I I'm I really, I mean, I'm just so amazed

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Speaker 1: by the work that you do. And if there's ever

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Speaker 1: anyways that you know we can when any kind of support,

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Speaker 1: I'm in. I I was lucky enough. You know, everyone's

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Speaker 1: been talking about like what's happening now, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you've there's like people are sending me like

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Speaker 1: astrological memes being like the last time this was in

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Speaker 1: this and this wasn't that, and it's like all these

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Speaker 1: three social movements and now it's all happening at once,

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Speaker 1: and and I keep thinking back after after the first

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Speaker 1: I want to say it was like maybe the first

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Speaker 1: eight months of standing Rock really like being in on

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Speaker 1: the news and everyone knowing what was going on. One

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Speaker 1: of my one of my buddies, was on the ground

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Speaker 1: there for almost a year, and he was bringing one

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Speaker 1: of the elders there and his son to California to

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Speaker 1: help do some political action. And I was living in

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Speaker 1: Chicago at the time, and they came and stayed with

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Speaker 1: me for it was supposed to be two days, the

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Speaker 1: three of them, my buddy Sean and and Frank Iron

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Speaker 1: Eagle and Frank's son, who's amazing, and they wound up

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Speaker 1: staying with me for a week and every night we'd

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Speaker 1: like sit, we'd have a bourbon, and we just like

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Speaker 1: talk about life. And Frank I was telling he told

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Speaker 1: me something I've not forgotten and I think about it

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Speaker 1: a lot. He said that we were leaving the last

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Speaker 1: leg of the buffalo and entering into the body of

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Speaker 1: the elk, and that the elk is been a sacred

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Speaker 1: feminine and that we were going to come back to

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Speaker 1: this divine female energy and that it would be a

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Speaker 1: whole new world order. And he looked at me and

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Speaker 1: he was like, we're ready for the women to beat

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Speaker 1: And I was like, when did this happen? And how

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Speaker 1: can we help it? And I don't know. I just

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Speaker 1: I keep thinking about that even last week. Again, statistics

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be the point, but they helped me win arguments

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Speaker 1: with Republicans sometimes with each other, right, like people, we've

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Speaker 1: just been trying to think it's the math is helpful.

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Speaker 1: And I was looking at the stats on COVID and

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Speaker 1: how every country that's run by a woman has essentially

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Speaker 1: beaten coronavirus, and I was like, bring me that elk, Frank,

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Speaker 1: bring it on, you know. So I know it's so

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Speaker 1: tumultuous and wild, but I hope that. I really hope

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Speaker 1: that what we're seeing does it. I hope. I hope

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Speaker 1: there's a whole new world order coming. I think there is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's gonna be women, transgender to spirit, bipoc,

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Speaker 1: all the things, like the multi generational and beautiful and

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Speaker 1: cultural rainbow people that are out caring for each other.

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Speaker 1: It's so powerful. Yeah, I mean in Minneapolis in the streets,

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Speaker 1: like it was so many youths just leading and caring

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Speaker 1: for each other so beautifully. That made me so happy

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Speaker 1: and seeing kind of like that old leftover like really patriarchal,

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Speaker 1: like this is how we do things, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go yeah on a microphone and blah blah blah, and

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Speaker 1: like always used like hell no, we're not doing that.

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Speaker 1: Where is the women? Like where are the women? And

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Speaker 1: like where are two spirits? Where I was just like

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Speaker 1: hell yeah, guys, like we got this. You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have had your turn and look

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Speaker 1: what you did. Look what you did. Yeah, I'm inspired.

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Speaker 1: I really I appreciate sharing the space. This show is

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Speaker 1: executive produced by me, Sophia Bush, and sim Sarna. Our

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Speaker 1: supervising producer is Alison Bresnick. Our associate producer is Kate Linley.

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Speaker 1: This episode was edited by Matt Sasaki, and our music

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Speaker 1: was written by Jack Garrett and produced by Mark Foster.

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Speaker 1: This show is brought to you by Clapp Rallion Anatomy