Speaker 1: Look out. It's only films to be buried with Judgment Day. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with Judgment Day.
Speaker 1: My name is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor,
Speaker 1: a writer, a director, a Terry Yaki sauce, and I
Speaker 1: love films. As Cassandra Claire once said, only the very
Speaker 1: weak minded refused to be influenced by literature and poetry,
Speaker 1: and the even weaker minded pretend they don't get emotional
Speaker 1: watching some films. WHOA, Hey, you're talking about some of
Speaker 1: my guests here, Claire. Give them a break. Every week
Speaker 1: I invite a special guest over, I tell them they've died.
Speaker 1: Then I get them to discuss their life through the
Speaker 1: films that meant the most of them. But not today,
Speaker 1: because today, my friends, it's Judgment Day. The world has ended,
Speaker 1: and James McNicholas stands before me. He has one chance
Speaker 1: to prove why I should send him to Heaven and
Speaker 1: not to hell. What will happen? Find out in this episode.
Speaker 1: Check out The Patriot at patreon dot com Forward slash
Speaker 1: Break Goold Steam, where you get an extra twenty minutes
Speaker 1: of chat with James. We talk about secrets you get
Speaker 1: the whole episode uncut and ad free and as a video.
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of other stuff there too. Check it
Speaker 1: out Patreon dot com, Forward slash Break Goldstein. So James
Speaker 1: mc nicholas is back for a third time. He is
Speaker 1: a brilliant podcaster, writer, football journalist, and stand up and actor.
Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite people and he's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite guests. If you haven't listened to his last
Speaker 1: two episodes, I very much strongly suggest that you do,
Speaker 1: because they are some of the greats. We recorded this
Speaker 1: on Zoom a couple of weeks ago. It's a delight
Speaker 1: as ever. I really think you're going to enjoy it.
Speaker 1: So that is it for now. I very much hope
Speaker 1: you enjoy episode two hundred and twenty three of Films
Speaker 1: to be Buried with Judgment Day. Hello, and welcome to
Speaker 1: Films to be Buried with Judgment Day. It is me
Speaker 1: Brett Goldstein, and I'm joined today by an actor, a sketch,
Speaker 1: a podcaster. He's a husband, he's a father of a dog.
Speaker 1: He's a lover, he's not a fighter. He is a legend,
Speaker 1: and he is one of my all time favorite guests
Speaker 1: on the show, which is what I'm having h back
Speaker 1: for the third time. He's a horrible historier and a boy.
Speaker 1: Please welcome. He's also a man. Welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: the one and Nini. I can't believe we've managed the
Speaker 1: game here he is. Everyone cheers mister Jacks me Nicholas.
Speaker 1: Woo wow. What an intro. Thanks Brett. I can't believe
Speaker 1: you managed to get me again. I think I must
Speaker 1: the least famous person to have been on this show
Speaker 1: three times, and I think that's a record. I've got
Speaker 1: a decent chance of holding. I will agree to disagree.
Speaker 1: You're very well known, in respected in your field. You
Speaker 1: are very popular among the custom crew of ted Lasso,
Speaker 1: who are all fans of your work because they will
Speaker 1: support the wrong team and they listen to your disgusting
Speaker 1: work that you do, your propaganda that you for that
Speaker 1: disgusting team. It can we briefly talk about why is
Speaker 1: that team doing so well? It's really upsetting. It's weird,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, I don't know. It won't last, Brett.
Speaker 1: It's you know now you're talking. That's my boy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The pessimist in me says it won't last. But I'm
Speaker 1: enjoying it while it is, that's the thing you've got
Speaker 1: enjoying the journey. I mean, it's quite phenomenal. It is amazing.
Speaker 1: I know that the Arsenal manager Michault, has watched Ted Lattter,
Speaker 1: so maybe in a way this is your fault. Fuck.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's occurred to you as a possibility,
Speaker 1: but fuck yeah, like all seasons long, I'm still going
Speaker 1: to win the league and you're gonna be like, how
Speaker 1: did they do it? How? And then one day you'll
Speaker 1: be filming at the ends stadium, go in the dressing room,
Speaker 1: you believe, saying believe above the door. No I did
Speaker 1: this to myself. Yeah, okay, but it must be a
Speaker 1: real treat for you as as someone as hard court
Speaker 1: as yourself, and you've had a difficult time of it.
Speaker 1: It must be really something. And are you enjoying it
Speaker 1: or are you spending the whole time gaining? Won't ask it?
Speaker 1: We'll go away this this this is the one off.
Speaker 1: That's the reason I'm saying that's because I'm enjoying it
Speaker 1: so much. You know, I'm scared I'm going to let
Speaker 1: the spells going to break and we'll turn back into
Speaker 1: a big footballing pumpkin carriage thing. But no, I'm really
Speaker 1: enjoying it and we've suffered for it. Arsenal fans, you
Speaker 1: know we were. We were figures of fun for so long.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that the supporters have got something to
Speaker 1: cheer four once and yeah, let's hope it lasts. That's lovely.
Speaker 1: Have you with all your work you've done your propaganda
Speaker 1: work for us? Have you got the things like that that?
Speaker 1: Is I get accute? I actually get accused of that.
Speaker 1: I get people here like you work for the club,
Speaker 1: the owner stand cronky, kissed your mum, and these your
Speaker 1: real dad and mikol Arteta, and you have a cuddle
Speaker 1: after every match. You just he whispers things you're hear
Speaker 1: you write them. So do be careful with those propaganda allegations. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you've been reading my tweets. Let me just
Speaker 1: be clear. It's absolutely true. You do. You do propaganda
Speaker 1: for the club. But have you has it got you money?
Speaker 1: It's very lucrative aside from the riches. Has it got
Speaker 1: you in with the team? Are you are you? Are
Speaker 1: you talking to these people? Are you close with them?
Speaker 1: Has that changed your relationship with yeah, they're much more
Speaker 1: like real people to me. Now, you know, I suppose
Speaker 1: I would be breaking confidence as if I if I
Speaker 1: was specific. But it is interesting, like I tell you
Speaker 1: this to it. So I write about football, you know,
Speaker 1: that's one of the things I do. And I interviewed
Speaker 1: a footballer not too long ago. He's an Arsenal player,
Speaker 1: and we did the interview and it went well. I
Speaker 1: thought we got on nice guy. And then afterwards it
Speaker 1: sort of got back to me that this particular player
Speaker 1: had said, oh, I didn't realize it was going to
Speaker 1: be that journalist and that publication I was writing for
Speaker 1: the athletic and he said, if I'd known it was
Speaker 1: going to be them, I wouldn't have done it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, why why did he say that? And
Speaker 1: he said, well, apparently four years ago you wrote a
Speaker 1: piece where or one of your colleagues he wasn't sure,
Speaker 1: wrote a piece where, you know, you sort of slightly
Speaker 1: criticized the player and used some stats and said maybe
Speaker 1: he wasn't playing particularly well, and it was just a
Speaker 1: really interesting thing where you're like, oh wow, he remembered that.
Speaker 1: Not only did he read it, he remembered it and
Speaker 1: he bore that grudge beast. May I ask you something,
Speaker 1: tell me one of the bad views that you've got
Speaker 1: many many years ago at the Fins, and I bet
Speaker 1: you can do it word for word. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: And that is one of the great sort of paradoxes
Speaker 1: and contradictions of my life is that I'm a performer,
Speaker 1: and when I perform, I would say I hold my
Speaker 1: critics in complete contempt, and yet I am effectively a
Speaker 1: football critic, and so reckoning with that duality is a
Speaker 1: constant internal battle. I am my own enemy. Has it
Speaker 1: changed your relationship as a performer then, when you're getting
Speaker 1: reviewed and all that used to equally? That would be
Speaker 1: very grown up, wouldn't it if the answer was yes?
Speaker 1: But it's not. I think. I think I genuinely I
Speaker 1: sort of said it with an ironic tone, that I
Speaker 1: hold them in contempt, but it is kind of true,
Speaker 1: like I ultimately feel like, you know, what they're doing
Speaker 1: has not a great deal of worth. I know this
Speaker 1: is my ego, that my prickled ego after criticism probably,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I do sort of think, well, we're the
Speaker 1: ones doing it, you know, what, do you know? Get
Speaker 1: up on stage? But I'm sure that's how football is.
Speaker 1: Think of me kick a ball. I can't. I'm rubbish.
Speaker 1: But so, yeah, it hasn't really led to a kind
Speaker 1: of appreciation. What do you like with critics? Do you
Speaker 1: like critics? They keep giving your awards, so I imagine
Speaker 1: you've sort of come around. Yeah, at the moment, I
Speaker 1: seem to think they're all right. Do you know what?
Speaker 1: I think? It's so difficult. I don't. Sometimes I'm like
Speaker 1: the person making that I should never read the reviews
Speaker 1: because it's a discussion happening about you and your work.
Speaker 1: I don't know that you should be in Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not for you. Is it not design for your validation?
Speaker 1: I know that that's how it feels as a performer.
Speaker 1: But a review exists to inform the public of whether
Speaker 1: or not they might enjoy something. I don't know. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to follow the trail if you've been hurt
Speaker 1: by a critic, following them home and unhappy and you go, okay,
Speaker 1: you're the problem is as well that like, obviously, if
Speaker 1: you're going to sort of disregard criticism, it means you've
Speaker 1: got to disregard the positive reviews as well. But I
Speaker 1: think you do anyway, right, as in, that's the I think.
Speaker 1: That's the point is that if I ask you give
Speaker 1: me a line from a bad review you've had, you could.
Speaker 1: But if I say, tell me about your great reviews,
Speaker 1: could you word for word them? Actually you probably could.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've actually can you not see? I've
Speaker 1: got all those written on the walls behind me, then
Speaker 1: tattooed across my body. No, I know what you mean.
Speaker 1: I actually my irritation with reviews often it's like commercial
Speaker 1: So if you're doing a show, especially in Saint Edinburgh,
Speaker 1: you're sort of dependent on the reviews slightly to sell
Speaker 1: the show. So often, like the value of like a
Speaker 1: four or five star review is purely a commercial one,
Speaker 1: and when you don't get it, you're like, oh, from
Speaker 1: a marketing perspective, having put all this work in, that's
Speaker 1: annoying or frustrating. But the words themselves don't tend to
Speaker 1: live with me for too long. You know, I had
Speaker 1: lovely reviews of things, and you know, by all means,
Speaker 1: if there any critics are listening, continue to write those
Speaker 1: lovely reviews. But yeah, it's it is something I wrestle
Speaker 1: with and it is something that I factor in to
Speaker 1: my writing about sport. I think I write about sport now,
Speaker 1: but I do so with kind of the caveat that
Speaker 1: I accept I can't know as much about that profession
Speaker 1: as someone who's doing it every single day, and I
Speaker 1: think all critics would benefit from that perspective. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: spoke to a footballer when preparing for Ted letter. I
Speaker 1: had spent some time with an older footballer and I
Speaker 1: asked him about critics and country stuff, and he said,
Speaker 1: he said, the reality is no one actually knows how
Speaker 1: it works. So people are saying all this shit on
Speaker 1: the TV or any thing, and they're like they don't
Speaker 1: know how we train and how much of it is
Speaker 1: rehearsing set pieces and like we have plays planned out,
Speaker 1: like so much of it is not at aol. What
Speaker 1: you think what people are shouting at is wrong. It
Speaker 1: is like you don't understand what we actually what we've
Speaker 1: been doing, and what we're doing here, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it's almost a different game to what
Speaker 1: people think it is. And I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: I think I just get I read it. It's nothing
Speaker 1: to do with me, And I won't name the show.
Speaker 1: There's a new show that's come out and I saw
Speaker 1: a review for it, and it's a fucking like twelve
Speaker 1: part show, must have taken years to make, and the
Speaker 1: review is simply the headline is not worth your time.
Speaker 1: And then there's a review and you go like, not
Speaker 1: worth your time. This is someone's, this is many many
Speaker 1: people's at least a year of their life, and you're
Speaker 1: saying not worth your time? And that's taken you how
Speaker 1: long to write that? It's just that, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just insane. I do think maybe all critics should have
Speaker 1: to spend the amount of time it took to make
Speaker 1: the film to write the review. Maybe that's fair. If
Speaker 1: they spend a year thinking, really thinking and honing this
Speaker 1: perfect review, then maybe it's like, yeah, okay, I listen. Also,
Speaker 1: what sort of headline is not worth your time? I mean,
Speaker 1: who's thin? Who's the headless saying not worth the time?
Speaker 1: And thinks I might dip into that? I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess if it was about someone I knew that I
Speaker 1: didn't like, I probably would read it beyond that. I
Speaker 1: think that's true. And actually, something that exists in sport,
Speaker 1: which I think exists less in art, is the way
Speaker 1: that fans or sometimes pundits or writers will kind of
Speaker 1: talk about a team and say, you know, they didn't
Speaker 1: want it, really they didn't want it, they didn't work hard. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is it. And I think that's ninety nine percent
Speaker 1: of the time, complete projection and completely unfair. Like these
Speaker 1: guys are the absolute elite who have given blood, sweat
Speaker 1: and tears to get to the very top of their
Speaker 1: sport from being like six years old. I think they're
Speaker 1: capable of working hard, and so I think, you know,
Speaker 1: you should try and always show people that respect. I
Speaker 1: think the things I don't like, the things I don't
Speaker 1: like interviews that I think are bad is one where
Speaker 1: you assume the intention exactly that we say either they
Speaker 1: don't want it, or if it's a film, where they
Speaker 1: go like he's clearly he clearly feels this, and you go,
Speaker 1: you don't fucking know that. And the other crime is
Speaker 1: talking about a different film like it should have had
Speaker 1: more of this or whatever, and you go, yeah, but
Speaker 1: it didn't, Like there's a there's a reason it doesn't
Speaker 1: have more of the film. You're imagining this is the film, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this film. Talk about this film, not the film you'd
Speaker 1: prefer if you've made it. You know what I mean absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do think it's an interesting discussion that one of,
Speaker 1: like do you need to have been part of that process?
Speaker 1: Like do you have to have worked in film in
Speaker 1: some capacity to really be able to write about film
Speaker 1: with integrity? I guess I guess the answer is no,
Speaker 1: because an audience member hasn't had that experience, and ultimately
Speaker 1: they're who it's for. But I think for me, simply,
Speaker 1: the reason criticism should exist is to elevate stuff. That's
Speaker 1: what I think, as in stuff you haven't seen that
Speaker 1: is amazing and perhaps you didn't quite get the first
Speaker 1: time you saw it, and then you read an essay
Speaker 1: on it and it's like because of this and this
Speaker 1: and this and this, and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I need to see that again. And then it like
Speaker 1: opens the whole world of stuff. That's where I think
Speaker 1: it serves a great purpose, and it's a sort of
Speaker 1: wonderful thing. Like in Rata TWI like in Ratta TWOI
Speaker 1: you know, no one unless he writes that review, no
Speaker 1: one's going to a little restaurant with a rat as
Speaker 1: a chef with the rat, but but he champions theode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen you Rats two e A. What
Speaker 1: you're doing with your life be don't listen and fast forward.
Speaker 1: You know, Charlie Brooker did a huge five minute piece
Speaker 1: on his show about The Wire and how everyone had
Speaker 1: to watch the Wire. Thank you, Charlie Brooker. You did
Speaker 1: good for the world, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: I think it all comes down to fucking being. It's
Speaker 1: all yes, ending again, isn't it. I think if you
Speaker 1: hate stuff, you should probably keep your mouth shut out.
Speaker 1: I guess, is what I think. But I what's your
Speaker 1: job to write review every week? I guess? But there,
Speaker 1: I guess what The interesting thing is that reviewing is
Speaker 1: also somehow performative. You know. For some people that is
Speaker 1: their persona that they hate stuff, and they play up
Speaker 1: to that, and that's that is there art that they
Speaker 1: create these little pieces where they take things apart. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels a bit cruel to me. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: like it. You're a nice boy. Oh now if we
Speaker 1: can say this, come and say this. You are mid
Speaker 1: shooting Horrible Histories season season I think ten and eleven.
Speaker 1: I think two seasons back to back. Yeah, it's two
Speaker 1: seasons back to back for CBBC. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: history there's so much history. It's twenty four episodes, twenty
Speaker 1: four half hours. I play one hundred and twenty six
Speaker 1: characters or something. How many accents are you doing? Just
Speaker 1: the one sort of like an estuary close to London accent,
Speaker 1: some one who's pretending to be less partial than they
Speaker 1: actually are. Yeah, and it just seems to suit everything
Speaker 1: I do. No, I'm doing. I'm approximating many accents. I'm
Speaker 1: working from a core base of about six. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: really good, and then just sort of doing them like
Speaker 1: louder or quieter, depending on the circumstances. That's what being
Speaker 1: a star is, and that's what I'm doing on children's
Speaker 1: television in Britain, refusing to do accents properly because I've
Speaker 1: reached that level. You're a bloody hero and an inspiration
Speaker 1: to us all. Thanks mate, And how is your As
Speaker 1: we know to the long term listeners and fans of
Speaker 1: Tatimate Nicholas, you will also know he is still married
Speaker 1: to Camille, who done, who is the other favorite guest
Speaker 1: of the show, and a woman with huge death anxiety
Speaker 1: and fear of playing. But don't we have a laugh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's good, she's good. She's well, she's she. I think
Speaker 1: she won't run me saying she because she started having
Speaker 1: therapy now. I think she just maybe talked about that
Speaker 1: on here before, and I think it's really helped to
Speaker 1: get handled on it. She had a session in this
Speaker 1: very chair a few hours ago. It's still warm with
Speaker 1: her anxiety. If I may ask, has her doing therapy
Speaker 1: changed your relationship, changed the way she talks with you?
Speaker 1: Has it made things? Has it led to better things,
Speaker 1: worse things? Has there been an argument because of therapy?
Speaker 1: Has it made things easier? How do you describe it?
Speaker 1: It's really interesting, isn't it, Because like, if you've ever
Speaker 1: been in a relationship with someone who's been going to therapy,
Speaker 1: I think you sort of definitely know when they've been,
Speaker 1: like even if you know normally at the same time
Speaker 1: every week or whatever it might be. But there is
Speaker 1: a tonal difference before and after a lot of chat
Speaker 1: about boundaries, yeah, laugh chat. Yeah, she keeps trying to
Speaker 1: break up with me afterwards. I don't know what some
Speaker 1: advice she's getting. No, I like this therapist because I
Speaker 1: find that afterwards, you know, if there's been a disagreement
Speaker 1: in the week or something We've not seen I to
Speaker 1: nine times out of ten after the session that is
Speaker 1: resolved in some way. So I don't know. I'm obviously
Speaker 1: not privy to what goes on, but my experience of
Speaker 1: it is that this therapist is setting there saying like
Speaker 1: he's a good blow this change. You want to you
Speaker 1: want to give him a break to be honest, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I don't even know who it is. I mean I've
Speaker 1: never met them, you know, of course, but great. Maybe
Speaker 1: they're found in my podcast. I don't know. Maybe they
Speaker 1: love horrible histories. Maybe it's beata, but they always seem
Speaker 1: to be I'm coming out all right of it. So
Speaker 1: far fantastic, which is good. That's ideal. Nothing better than
Speaker 1: the therapists taking your side. Yeah yeah, yeah, No, greater
Speaker 1: win that is. That is the biggest win in a relationship.
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, that's back he told you. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, great, lovely.
Speaker 1: I'm very happy for you. Well, And sometimes there's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think all relationships have this, but you know,
Speaker 1: come he might say how my therapist says this, and
Speaker 1: I'll be like I said that three weeks ago. Do
Speaker 1: you know exactly what you mean? You won't take it
Speaker 1: from me, will you? You take it from a professional, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, someone with a qualification rather than just a
Speaker 1: man with an opinion and an ego. I've actually got
Speaker 1: a very popular podcast. I put it out to the
Speaker 1: listeners and they voted that's what we came to. And
Speaker 1: that's not good enough for you. These are good people.
Speaker 1: James mc nicholas, you have died again. Why because it
Speaker 1: is judgment Day. You stand on the edge of heaven
Speaker 1: and hell. So you must now tell me the best
Speaker 1: and worst thing you ever did in this life and
Speaker 1: answer some questions about film, and in the end I
Speaker 1: will decide whether you get to go to heaven or
Speaker 1: that sounds fair? Yeah, I think So what's the worst
Speaker 1: and best thing you did in this life? I didn't
Speaker 1: know about this bit, but the best as in like
Speaker 1: for the world. You're you're selling me, you as a
Speaker 1: as as like you listen, you're gonna go to heaven
Speaker 1: or you're gonna go to hell, and you need to
Speaker 1: tell me the best and worst thing you did. Okay,
Speaker 1: the worst thing I ever did is easier. I've pissed
Speaker 1: in a lot of people's sinks, uh, and they haven't
Speaker 1: known like they haven't known you have just walked into
Speaker 1: their kitchen and done it. No, it's not the kitchen. No,
Speaker 1: it's in the bathroom. Can you explain if you've got
Speaker 1: a very high waist, why do you need I just
Speaker 1: think it's a better height than a toilet. Don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong. I wipe it down afterwards. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if I sort of revealed this on air because
Speaker 1: no one's gonna let it doesn't matter because you're obviously
Speaker 1: happy together. It does suggest you've got a very small
Speaker 1: Penis that that is the right height for a thing?
Speaker 1: You just pop it, lay it on the It's not
Speaker 1: too far down to the toilet. It's yours long enough
Speaker 1: that it descends into the toilet. Yeah, oh wow, Brea, congratulations,
Speaker 1: mine's dipping in. I have to, like I get on tiptoes.
Speaker 1: You got step ladder, haven't you? You take it in
Speaker 1: with you? What's that ladder? Bill? Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: At least they're not doing this. Think, Am I right?
Speaker 1: Why Why are you always popping it in the sink
Speaker 1: in the bathroom? Then I understand if if the toilet's busy,
Speaker 1: you've got to doing the think, but the toilets of
Speaker 1: any where, you're still going to sink. I just think
Speaker 1: it's more practical. I don't know if it's hereditary, because
Speaker 1: I once told my uncle that I did this. He said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do that as well, and we'd never discussed it
Speaker 1: fror to that point. So somewhere in my genetics, right,
Speaker 1: that's big or small? Have you pissed in my sink?
Speaker 1: I never pissed, and tell fascinating, well fascinating. What I
Speaker 1: say is, if you're listening and you know me, and
Speaker 1: I've been around your house, give the sink a little
Speaker 1: wiper around. Look you asked me've got the worst thing
Speaker 1: I've ever done is and I respect it because you've
Speaker 1: been honest. What's the best thing you've ever done? Leads
Speaker 1: to all the sinks like the kindest thing. Interpret it
Speaker 1: how you will. You're trying to impress me, so I
Speaker 1: don't send you to health for pissing in all the sinks.
Speaker 1: I think the best thing I've ever done is being
Speaker 1: a good brother. I've been a good brother. Go on,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I've been a good son. Okay, whether
Speaker 1: I'm a good husband's in the balance, but I think
Speaker 1: I've been a good brother. I've got three siblings. They're
Speaker 1: all younger than me, and I think I've done a
Speaker 1: decent job of being like a big brother. You know.
Speaker 1: I've helped them out when I've been able to, and
Speaker 1: I've offered advice when it's been asked, but never, you know,
Speaker 1: without unsolicited. I am not one of those brothers who
Speaker 1: likes that over protective of my sisters. Let them do
Speaker 1: what they want. Okay, So now you have to decide
Speaker 1: what happens to me or is at the end. Well,
Speaker 1: let me see based on your two stories. Being a
Speaker 1: good brother is a wonderful, wonderful thing, but pissing in
Speaker 1: people's things is bad. I think we can all agree.
Speaker 1: I still can't decide. Let's ask you some more questions,
Speaker 1: this time about film, and hopefully that will decide it
Speaker 1: for me. What is the film that you saw when
Speaker 1: you were too young to see it that affected you
Speaker 1: the most? Okay, by the way, hard doing this because
Speaker 1: obviously A pized a load of films for your show.
Speaker 1: I had to go. I had to go and look
Speaker 1: up what I've done. Fortunately, people have made spreadsheets, do
Speaker 1: you know. Great someone made a spreadsheet up to one
Speaker 1: hundred and then they said, I can't be bothered to
Speaker 1: keep doing this. Yeah, it might have been that one. Actually,
Speaker 1: that's fair enough. Yeah, that is that is reasonable, but
Speaker 1: very sweet to them to go that far. So the
Speaker 1: film that I saw and I was too young, that
Speaker 1: affected me. I wasn't I wasn't way too young to
Speaker 1: see it. But it was Dante's Peak. Okay, lovely film. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in Damilton Present only pg. Thirteen. Yeah, I actually took
Speaker 1: the liberty of looking it up. Did you know that?
Speaker 1: There's a website called kids in mind dot com And
Speaker 1: it goes it's quite like every film in there like
Speaker 1: a repository, and it tells you sort of what is
Speaker 1: potentially offensive within the film. But it's incredibly detailed, like
Speaker 1: for Dante's Peak. The section of language says one mumbled
Speaker 1: F word, some mild obsenites, a few scatological references, a
Speaker 1: couple of anatomical references, discussion topics, volcano's geology, panic, saving
Speaker 1: people message, natural disasters cannot be predicted or controlled. It's
Speaker 1: categorized every movie in this way. It's a great website. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Why did Dante peak? How? And why did it affect
Speaker 1: you so much? I was only about eleven, which again
Speaker 1: close to the PG. Thirteen. If a parent was with me,
Speaker 1: I would have been fine, leg yeah, but they weren't
Speaker 1: as far as I were cool. Do you remember there's
Speaker 1: a scene in the film there's a grandmother character and
Speaker 1: there's like acid rain because natural disasters are happening, and
Speaker 1: they're on the raft in the middle of like an
Speaker 1: acid lake, and it looks like they're doomed, essentially, and
Speaker 1: grandma jumps off the raft into the acid water and
Speaker 1: pushes the raft with her kids and grandkids to shore
Speaker 1: and saves them effectively. And they drag her out of
Speaker 1: the acid water, and her legs are all burned. You
Speaker 1: see the burned legs. That's mentioned on kids in mind
Speaker 1: dot com. Don't worry about it. That's in the repository, mate, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me tell you. That's something in the repository about that.
Speaker 1: He go. A woman wades through acid water and later
Speaker 1: you see blood on her face and neck and bloody
Speaker 1: patchy burns on her legs. So rible, but it sort
Speaker 1: of really haunted me actually, And I grew up incredibly
Speaker 1: close to my maternal grandmother, a woman called Barbara, and
Speaker 1: I spent loads of my childhood with her. I'd say
Speaker 1: she's sort of like she was sort of my favorite
Speaker 1: person growing up and I was sort of her favorite person,
Speaker 1: which was lovely. And that scene it chilled me. And
Speaker 1: what children about it was. It wasn't the bloody, patchy legs.
Speaker 1: It was the self sacrifice that made me so like
Speaker 1: emotional that I almost couldn't get a handle on it.
Speaker 1: And it was the first time I really understood that
Speaker 1: idea of like a parent or a grandparent being prepared
Speaker 1: to sort of sacrifice themselves for their loved ones or
Speaker 1: you know, their children and grandchildren. And it stayed with
Speaker 1: me so much that I remember as a kid when
Speaker 1: I wanted to not go to school, I remember there
Speaker 1: was a time that had to motivate myself to cry.
Speaker 1: It wasn't because I was acting at that point in time.
Speaker 1: It was just like, I think I need to get
Speaker 1: some sympathy off mam or dad. And when I used
Speaker 1: to when I used to like really try to cry,
Speaker 1: I always used to think, just imagine that's your grandma
Speaker 1: jumping off the raft into the acid water, and it
Speaker 1: would bring me out of floods of tears. The thing is,
Speaker 1: we're talking about critics and stuff that's so fascinating. And
Speaker 1: this is why there shouldn't be reviews, because Dante's Peak
Speaker 1: is considered a piece of shit film. And that is
Speaker 1: a real profound thing that happened to you from that film,
Speaker 1: like a maze. Yeah. No one's thinking Dante's Peak is
Speaker 1: going to really affect you and stay with you for
Speaker 1: your whole life. And yet here we are. Well, let's
Speaker 1: not forget. I am the man who said I think
Speaker 1: last time I was on that, the most romantic film
Speaker 1: I've ever seen was Casper. So here it is, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's fair. There's gonna be some unconventional choices,
Speaker 1: but Dante's Peak. Yeah, And I was young and I
Speaker 1: was prot being affected by it, and I was very
Speaker 1: affected by it. I love you and your grandma famously.
Speaker 1: She was in my show. She's good. She's good value.
Speaker 1: If you could play one character in a film, which
Speaker 1: one would it be, I'd need to be a bit older.
Speaker 1: But the character is called Randy the Ram Robinson and
Speaker 1: it's played by Mickey Rourke. In The Wrestler. You want
Speaker 1: to be the Wrestler? I want to be the Wrestler. Interesting,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, like all comic actors, my reflex is
Speaker 1: to go like the Joker, because I think every comic
Speaker 1: actors like her, I could do a great Joker. That
Speaker 1: there's like a darkness in me that people haven't really
Speaker 1: seen yet, and like, if I just get the opportunity,
Speaker 1: it could really like change perceptions of me. But I
Speaker 1: thought that was a bit of a cliche, and I
Speaker 1: also thought you're putting yourself in competition with some pretty
Speaker 1: decent performances there. There's like a real heritage around that part.
Speaker 1: But I've chosen the wrestler, and the reason being is
Speaker 1: that sort of a secret passion of mine. I love wrestling.
Speaker 1: I did not know this. Yeah, it's it's quite a
Speaker 1: sort of low key thing, but I love it. I'm
Speaker 1: fascinated by it. This is why you're a really good
Speaker 1: value on this year, because it's a new, massive revelation
Speaker 1: every day. And we've known each other years. I've known
Speaker 1: it for years. You would never worked mentioned wrestling. Honestly,
Speaker 1: on my life. I'd say once a month, I say
Speaker 1: to Camille, I'm packing it all in. I'm becoming a wrestler.
Speaker 1: At least once a month. He'd be a fucking great wrestler,
Speaker 1: as I know. And that's why I need to play
Speaker 1: one in a movie. The reality is it's not going
Speaker 1: to happen. Now I've accepted that I'm not going to
Speaker 1: be the WWE Champion, but I want that idea. But
Speaker 1: I think I would love because the other thing is,
Speaker 1: you've got to think it's not just about the finished
Speaker 1: article of the film. It's how much am I going
Speaker 1: to enjoy the process. And presumably Mickey when he played
Speaker 1: that part, had to go to like a wrestling school
Speaker 1: and get slammed on a mat and chucked around and
Speaker 1: learn how to throw a wrestling punch. And I would
Speaker 1: love that aspect of it like I would. Honestly, it's
Speaker 1: a dream of mine to train to do that. I
Speaker 1: can talk more about why, because I think it makes
Speaker 1: perfect sense. I'm someone who's in the entertainment industry, but
Speaker 1: I also love sport and where those two things meet.
Speaker 1: So like story and character, but the sort of live
Speaker 1: atmosphere and the drama of sport is in wrestling. That's
Speaker 1: where they intersect. So I love it. It's like manufactured drama.
Speaker 1: I love the pageant try, I love the spectacle. I
Speaker 1: respect the people, the athletes who do it. They work
Speaker 1: really insanely hard, like, it's not like other sports. There's
Speaker 1: no offseason. They work like several nights a week. Their
Speaker 1: body get battered and bruised, and that's obviously what happens
Speaker 1: in the movie. You know, it's a guy's at the
Speaker 1: end of his career, and it's actually I don't know
Speaker 1: this for a fact, but there's a great documentary film
Speaker 1: about wrestling, could Be on the Map, which I really recommend,
Speaker 1: and it focuses in part on a real wrestler called
Speaker 1: Jake the Snake Roberts, who was like a big deal
Speaker 1: in like the eighties and early nineties. And I feel
Speaker 1: like Mickey's interpretation, Mickey robs interpretation his character is in
Speaker 1: part based on Jai Snake Roberts. He's like a man
Speaker 1: whose life has sort of slightly gotten away from him,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of caught in the mystique of this
Speaker 1: persona that he's created, but his real life, his family's
Speaker 1: kind of disintegrating around him. And that is a theme
Speaker 1: of that movie as well that I really am interested in.
Speaker 1: And another reason I'd love to play the part is
Speaker 1: that idea of like when do you give up? When
Speaker 1: are you ready to relinquish that part of your life.
Speaker 1: When do you give up team propaganda for arsenal and
Speaker 1: become a wrestler? I guess is what you're well, I
Speaker 1: guess maybe that is the internal question. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think anyone who's in the arts who is not
Speaker 1: extremely successful reckons, or even if they are extremely successful,
Speaker 1: reckons with that question at various points in their life. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: at what point am I just pursuing a dream or
Speaker 1: doing this because it's become my identity? Am I still contented?
Speaker 1: Am I still satisfied by the work? Could I be
Speaker 1: better served by doing something else, being somebody else? I
Speaker 1: find that question really interesting. What would be your wrestling name?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, my wrestling name would be changed The Beast McNicholas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess Beast, Yeah, the Beast. Yeah, it's it's all
Speaker 1: there for me. Yeah, I've even got like a shaved head. Now,
Speaker 1: it's the esthetic exactly. That's what I'm thinking. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at you and thinking, I mean I'm a bit more
Speaker 1: sort of like British wrestler from the eighties past. That's
Speaker 1: what people are shouting at the same I know as
Speaker 1: you come out, Brett, you, I mean, you'll get me
Speaker 1: excited now that that is sort of my dream. It
Speaker 1: is kind of mad, and it never was. It came
Speaker 1: to me late. I just sort of fell for it
Speaker 1: as a world. And I do think it's a good
Speaker 1: film wrestler, and I think it's a hello part lovely
Speaker 1: lovely answer. Yeah, what is the worst date you ever
Speaker 1: had at a film? Or time? Could be worst time?
Speaker 1: I struggled with this one, you know, I really struggled
Speaker 1: with it. I've got an answer. I'm just too good
Speaker 1: at dates. No one's ever had a bad date with me.
Speaker 1: Don't write in comment section past. Yeah, if we can
Speaker 1: all focus on the pissing and sync stuff, just let
Speaker 1: that attract a good guy. Yeah, I've got one. It's
Speaker 1: not a feature length film. I hope that's acceptable. You
Speaker 1: tell me Raymond Briggs. You wear Raymond Briggs the snow
Speaker 1: the snow Man when the wind blows right. He's got
Speaker 1: one called Father Christmas. Yeah, and it's it's not a
Speaker 1: feature length film, but it's a lovely Christmas film. It's
Speaker 1: based on a book that Ray Bridges did. I think
Speaker 1: m Briggs died quite recently, didn't it. And it's brilliant
Speaker 1: and it's a Christmas tradition in my house that we
Speaker 1: watch it on Christmas Eve. My hatched my childhood house
Speaker 1: growing up, and one Christmas about I don't know, ten
Speaker 1: twelve years ago, when we were all sort of getting
Speaker 1: a bit too old for that to be a thing,
Speaker 1: we had a big row as a family in the
Speaker 1: house on Christmas Eve, just like over nothing, you know, like,
Speaker 1: well you said we weren't doing presents this year, that
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and you hadn't brought any presence. I
Speaker 1: get it, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And I or
Speaker 1: somebody said, well we haven't and we haven't and guess what,
Speaker 1: we haven't watched Father Christmas. So that's Christmas ruined sort
Speaker 1: of thing. And then someone was like, right, well, if
Speaker 1: you got it, you've got a DVD. Right, well, we'll
Speaker 1: put it on then. And we put it on and
Speaker 1: sat not making eye contact in awkward like stiff silence
Speaker 1: for thirty two and it's or whatever it is Father
Speaker 1: Christmas going around like get all the presents ready. We
Speaker 1: will just sat there fuming with each other. So funny
Speaker 1: you hate watched Father Christmas. We hate watched Father Christmas
Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve and it's like the thing that brings
Speaker 1: me most joy. We sat there be like, right, well,
Speaker 1: I suppose we'll watch it. Then, yeah, well we will
Speaker 1: watch it, and I suppose we'll have fun pie while
Speaker 1: doing it, will we? Yes, I'm enjoying this. If you're
Speaker 1: enjoy this, happen Christmas this year? This is so festive,
Speaker 1: you fucking pie. Maybe I'm not a good brother. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I forget presents once a year. I'm too
Speaker 1: busy in this thing. If you could live in the
Speaker 1: world of one film, which would it be? Right? Well?
Speaker 1: I thought about this because there are some amazing worlds
Speaker 1: depicted in films, and I love fancy and sci fi,
Speaker 1: and so that sounds appealing. But the death traps most
Speaker 1: of them, like yeah, yeah, exactly, like you know, if
Speaker 1: you hop into Lord of the Rings or whatever, and
Speaker 1: orcs taking you out early doors or dragons or something.
Speaker 1: So my answer, I think I've actually cracked this is
Speaker 1: James Cameron's Avatar, and the reason being is that the
Speaker 1: mechanic in Avatar is that you're a human in this
Speaker 1: spaceship effectively, and you jump in a little pod and
Speaker 1: then you get to be one of these avatars aliens
Speaker 1: running around experiencing Pandora. I believe the planet is called
Speaker 1: we're all about to hear a lot more about it.
Speaker 1: And basically, if you die as an avatar, you don't
Speaker 1: die in real life. Do you see what I'm saying? Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: I do see what you're saying. So you get to
Speaker 1: be there in three D or whatever it is. I
Speaker 1: don't know why he's up to camera. You're in the
Speaker 1: I'm actually you're like all the plants and lovely colors.
Speaker 1: Look at the animation on that. Wow, your legs are
Speaker 1: a bit long. That sort of stuff's happening. But if
Speaker 1: you something should be all you, you can fall down
Speaker 1: a hole, you get shot. You just wake up a
Speaker 1: bit stressed in the spaceship. Yeah, yeah, I think I remember. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I seem to remember in Avatar one as it. I
Speaker 1: guess it will soon be known. You just sort of
Speaker 1: wake up a bit like, Oh, that's lucky that that
Speaker 1: was just my avatar and not me. So basically, the
Speaker 1: answer is avatar because you get to explore the world
Speaker 1: without consequences, without being great. Answer correct, I said, that's correct,
Speaker 1: Actually great. Thanks. What is your favorite children's film, Oliver, Yes,
Speaker 1: brilliant film, so dark. I watched it again. Yes, the
Speaker 1: Boy is that a dark you film. It's very, very dark,
Speaker 1: but there's just some incredible look I love the music.
Speaker 1: I remember I saw the show when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and but the performances in it, I mean Ron Moody's
Speaker 1: performance as Vegan is sensational. Oliver read, incredible is in
Speaker 1: there as Bill Sikes? That's my dream? Well a minute
Speaker 1: is basically what I did for Roy Kent, But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so true. Where based in mine there's Bill Sakes
Speaker 1: with with a bit more emotional availability. Was Oliver read
Speaker 1: the ex footballer that you spent time to prepare it?
Speaker 1: I didn't know he played how interesting it is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was always like they don't know what what I'm
Speaker 1: doing out there, and I was like, yeah, no one does.
Speaker 1: And just the scale of the production is extraordinary. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I honestly it's an amazing film. And I feel like
Speaker 1: as a kid it was always on Like maybe it
Speaker 1: was again like a Christmas thing, but I feel like
Speaker 1: it was on Telly an unusual amount every Bank holiday
Speaker 1: at least it was. Yeah, it still is. I reckon
Speaker 1: they're still rolling it out. Yeah, and I can't knock it.
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's got drama, it's poignant, great music,
Speaker 1: big numbers, It's got everything you want. You're a fan.
Speaker 1: I love it. I absolutely love it, and I in
Speaker 1: all seriousness did see it really in them was like surprised.
Speaker 1: How dark the last sort of twenty minutes of it are.
Speaker 1: I mean like really dark, like man gets hung woman
Speaker 1: gets battered to death. You know, kids isn't really happy.
Speaker 1: He just sort of his return to these people that
Speaker 1: will look after him. But it isn't. It's kind of
Speaker 1: weirdly sort of he's still been through a lot of trauma.
Speaker 1: At the end, Yeah, he's been through It's quite a melancholic.
Speaker 1: It isn't like a sort of yeah ending. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh god, I mean, I hope he's gonna be all right.
Speaker 1: They've all been through quite a lot. He'll need some therapy.
Speaker 1: That's what he's going to need, so much therapy and hope.
Speaker 1: But if if it's Camille's therapist, therapist is going to say, well,
Speaker 1: Bill Sykes was probably in the right. Actually hang on it,
Speaker 1: am I Bill Sykes in this relationship? Of course you
Speaker 1: want to look at you. That's true. Actually, big scary
Speaker 1: wrestler build a based Sykes. What is the film that
Speaker 1: you didn't think you would like that. You ended up
Speaker 1: loving It's the Big Short, and it's because I didn't.
Speaker 1: As a premise, I think that I would really engage
Speaker 1: with a movie about the fun actual crash. And actually,
Speaker 1: even in the first fifteen minutes of it, I was like,
Speaker 1: I need a glossary for this film. Yeah, if I
Speaker 1: told you that The Biggest Short lost me maybe five
Speaker 1: minutes in where someone looks at Cameron said, I think
Speaker 1: it's Brad Pitt looks at Cameron goes, I'll make this
Speaker 1: simple for you. For people who don't understand anything, you
Speaker 1: have buns right, and I wanted to put in my
Speaker 1: hand and go go back further. I don't know what
Speaker 1: a bund is. Yeah, that's true. You've just simplified it,
Speaker 1: and I've already lost. I've lost done to step one
Speaker 1: of You're simpler. Well, I didn't see it in a cinema,
Speaker 1: and I think that was crucial because if I recall correctly,
Speaker 1: at those points in the movie, I was pausing and
Speaker 1: googling stuff. Now you could argue the movie hasn't successfully
Speaker 1: done its job if I'm having to google it. But
Speaker 1: I think maybe most people Brett with like real jobs
Speaker 1: know what bonds are. Yeah, I think we are the exception,
Speaker 1: not the rule. Just think it's a spy. We're like, yeah, buns,
Speaker 1: it's got buns and the buds shorted. I'm like, what
Speaker 1: do you want about? But in the end it won
Speaker 1: me round and listen. I mean I should have known, really,
Speaker 1: because Adam McKay and I've liked a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 1: But and I only saw it quite recently. And actually
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where, yeah, I watched it
Speaker 1: on a streaming service, because I remember I was sort
Speaker 1: of pausing and starting to be like, okay, so that's that.
Speaker 1: And I genuinely learned something. I mean, it was sort
Speaker 1: of an area of recent history that I'll hold my
Speaker 1: hands up. I knew nothing about, and I took quite
Speaker 1: a lot away from it. Which part are you playing
Speaker 1: when they do the Horrible Histories episode of it? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Hopefully hopefully Steve Krell, He's got it is
Speaker 1: scary by the way Horrible Histories you think of it,
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, we do like the Tutors, and we
Speaker 1: do like Romans and ancient Greeks. In the forthcoming series,
Speaker 1: there is a sketch set in the year I was born. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six. It's about the first mobile phones. Jesus,
Speaker 1: that is scary. God it have you literally run out
Speaker 1: of history? Jesus, I think we're running out. I know
Speaker 1: ket we're caught upside the crown. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: slay down, caught up and now it's awkward. What is
Speaker 1: the single most erotic moment in film? Right? What are
Speaker 1: people saying for this? I mean I don't even remember.
Speaker 1: Probably something you know, fake, like the feel of the
Speaker 1: breeze exactly. I remember coming on this show the first
Speaker 1: time and complaining about that people weren't actually choosing this
Speaker 1: question is here for you? Thanks? Well? You know what's
Speaker 1: interesting is that out and out sex scenes in movie
Speaker 1: I don't think are often hugely erotic. Um. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you feel the same, but I just feel
Speaker 1: like there's a the eroticism for me at least often existing,
Speaker 1: like the tension the one I've chosen. Have you seen
Speaker 1: a movie called Don John? Yes? I have, and I
Speaker 1: think it's wildly underrated. It wasn't a hit. It's a
Speaker 1: great film, and I think he's really good jose Gordon Levit.
Speaker 1: I think he directed it. He did and I think
Speaker 1: it's a great I think it's a really nice movie.
Speaker 1: Thoroughly recommend it. And he plays opposite Scarlett Hanson in it,
Speaker 1: and there's a scene where they are outside her front
Speaker 1: door then keep talking bring it home. They're outside her
Speaker 1: front door and she's like, I've got to go inside,
Speaker 1: and he's like this very sort of jockish ladies man
Speaker 1: and basically she's sort of dry humping him outside of
Speaker 1: the corridor, isn't she Yeah, But she's talking to him
Speaker 1: while she's doing it. She's sort of giving him some
Speaker 1: dirty talk and he desperately wants to go inside and
Speaker 1: he can't, but she knows that he wants to, and
Speaker 1: she's very powerful in that moment. And this guy who's
Speaker 1: like the consummate ladies man is sort of slightly brought
Speaker 1: to heal by Scarlette Hanson's character. And it is incredibly charged,
Speaker 1: an erotic and it feels very real Cian like. It's
Speaker 1: a credit to their performances because it feels like a
Speaker 1: true private moment and it feels authentic to like experiences
Speaker 1: you've had in your life. I think a bit as well,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, this feels like insanely personal, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, the sort of traditional movie thing of like
Speaker 1: oh we met, we fell in love with, you know,
Speaker 1: going through in Terrati's close off, and that's fine, but
Speaker 1: it's all sort of I think real life's always a
Speaker 1: bit more. There's more sort of forwards and back and
Speaker 1: one you know, breaks an accelerator, and this captures that
Speaker 1: quite well. I don't know if you're agree. I think
Speaker 1: that is an excellent answer and a very rotic moment
Speaker 1: and a great film that was totally missed out one
Speaker 1: that scene. This is what critics should be doing, telling
Speaker 1: people to go and see Don John. Maybe they did.
Speaker 1: Which film you don't care about as a whole, has
Speaker 1: a single sequence that you love, So you don't like
Speaker 1: the film, but there's a bit in it you're like
Speaker 1: that one of the great bits. Small Soldiers, Yes, Joe Dante,
Speaker 1: Small soldiers, Joe Dante, Small Soldiers, Joe Dante, who made
Speaker 1: the Gremlins films. Yeah, it's about Jones. Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: the voice. It's about some sentient toys. Effectively, there are
Speaker 1: a war with each other. I think what the plot
Speaker 1: is that the military developed some sort of AI military
Speaker 1: highly intelligent microchip and it gets implanted either by accident
Speaker 1: or by the design into these children's toys, and they
Speaker 1: end up in a house and go haywire. And there
Speaker 1: is earth sequence or a scene where the sort of
Speaker 1: bad toys they're called the Commando Elite. I think Tommy
Speaker 1: Lee Jones is the leader, and they're hanging out in
Speaker 1: a garage and the young lad in it and Kurston
Speaker 1: Dunce sort of escape from the house and they're like,
Speaker 1: we're away from the nasty toys. Everything's fine. And then
Speaker 1: the garage door blows off, like a hole gets blown
Speaker 1: in it, and that song by Edwin Starr that goes,
Speaker 1: what Yeah, what is it? Good? Fun? Absolutely? And then
Speaker 1: all these toys come out on these like improvised vehicles
Speaker 1: they've made out of things they found in the garage,
Speaker 1: so they've like stuck wheels on a cheese grater, and
Speaker 1: it's just like it's the moment the movie has been
Speaker 1: building towards. You're like, they're in these toys with malicious
Speaker 1: intent and military genius. At what point are we going
Speaker 1: to see that manifest? And then the garage doors blow
Speaker 1: off and these five vehicles come out and Tommy Lee
Speaker 1: Jones as a toy he stood on the top. You
Speaker 1: got that song in the background, and it's just a
Speaker 1: great scene. It's a great scene and then a little
Speaker 1: chasing shoes. It's top stuff. I believe that that song
Speaker 1: war It's also in the Barry Levinson film Toys. Really,
Speaker 1: I believe so, and they're both about adverts. It's used
Speaker 1: in a few movies for sure. Really really good answer
Speaker 1: based in very good What is the film that stayed
Speaker 1: with you the longest after seeing it? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Took it took a while to let go
Speaker 1: of it. Obviously, there are films you remember forever, but
Speaker 1: where you're like, I was crying for a week or whatever,
Speaker 1: I was orney for a week. Yeah, I think And this,
Speaker 1: i'd say, is one of my less maybe niche choices.
Speaker 1: I think it was This is England. Actually I really
Speaker 1: loved that film. I thought it was brilliant and central
Speaker 1: performance from what's his name is? No? Not Tommy T.
Speaker 1: Stephen Graham is just extraordinary. And the scene where he
Speaker 1: sort of beats somebody up in a racially motivated attack,
Speaker 1: I feel like that film did to me what that
Speaker 1: character does. So that character arrives and he's charming and captivating,
Speaker 1: and alluring, and everyone is kind of sucked into his
Speaker 1: orbit and there's a threat of violence in the background.
Speaker 1: But then it all explodes in that one scene and
Speaker 1: all the darkness of his character floods in, and I
Speaker 1: feel like my relationship to the movie was parallel to that.
Speaker 1: Where As I was watching it, I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is so great, such an interesting, colorful depiction of
Speaker 1: like life in a particular period of time in England,
Speaker 1: And there are these characters who I'm sort of falling
Speaker 1: for and I empathize with, and even Stephen Graham's character,
Speaker 1: it's like he holds a sort of roguish appeal. And
Speaker 1: then I felt like that movie, just like Bam, just
Speaker 1: beat the crap out of me, basically, and it's brutal.
Speaker 1: It's really brutal, and it lived with me for a
Speaker 1: little while, and I still think about it quite all. Actually,
Speaker 1: I've not watched that film quite quite a long time
Speaker 1: because I genuinely find that seemed really difficult. Yeah, is
Speaker 1: this way you shaved your head to become a racist stug? No,
Speaker 1: it's to be a wrestler, Bret. The real reason is
Speaker 1: because it makes horrible histories easier, because they can tape
Speaker 1: the wigs to my head. I would say this, you're
Speaker 1: fucking cool, this fucking You're gonna make a great wrestler.
Speaker 1: Thanks man, I'm thinking forward to it. Are you going
Speaker 1: to keep it like this? Interesting question? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think my agent's a bit like weary of me
Speaker 1: keeping it. I think, I mean I've sort of explained that.
Speaker 1: Do you like it? Yeah? I do like it, but
Speaker 1: I do see that you might get pushed down an alleyway.
Speaker 1: But then if I want to play the wrestler, then
Speaker 1: maybe that's not a problem exactly. Thank you. What is
Speaker 1: the film that made you feel better about the world?
Speaker 1: It's School of Rock? Actually, yeah, how could it not?
Speaker 1: Love it? Love it? Love it. I genuinely will go
Speaker 1: and watch the final performance that they do from School
Speaker 1: of Rock if I'm feeling blue. Yeah. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I love Jack Black. I have to say, like, I
Speaker 1: really really loved Jack Black. I think he's absolutely extraordinarily talented.
Speaker 1: Do you want to come with me to D Live
Speaker 1: when they come in the summer? So much like in
Speaker 1: the Last Fortnight, I've spent quite a lot of time
Speaker 1: watching clips of Tenacious D, and he's an incredible incredible performer.
Speaker 1: He really is, and I think he's great on screen.
Speaker 1: He manages to sort of be big and wild and crazy,
Speaker 1: but it never feels out place. And what I love
Speaker 1: about this movie is how earnest it is, how unapologetically
Speaker 1: earnest it is, Like there's no veil of irony to it,
Speaker 1: and it would be so easy for them to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I guess that shouldn't be a surprise if you
Speaker 1: look at like Richard linkle Iiter's other films, like there
Speaker 1: is that earnest quality. I think that runs through the Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think that, Yeah, he's not a snarky guy. No,
Speaker 1: And I think and and genuinely like as someone who's
Speaker 1: sort of professionally snarky, I think like as comics, like
Speaker 1: we're often like quite professionally snarky. As I get older,
Speaker 1: I'm increasingly interested in, like, how can we just be
Speaker 1: like finding permission to just be earnest and for that
Speaker 1: to be okay for me? And Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: you're very good at that. Actually, I think you're pretty
Speaker 1: good at that. But School of Rock is exemplary at it,
Speaker 1: and it's just so much fun. Makes you think, Ah,
Speaker 1: everything's right in the world. Yeah, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: it's an interesting, like behind the scenes thing that I
Speaker 1: learned about school, which maybe is like a thing that
Speaker 1: will go towards your thought, and it is that. I
Speaker 1: think in the original script, you know, he's replacing a teacher,
Speaker 1: subsetucting teacher mister Sneeblee. He gets a phone call we
Speaker 1: need a replacement teacher, and I think in the original
Speaker 1: script the teacher was injured or the teacher broke their
Speaker 1: leg and maybe you saw that, and Jack Black was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want any injury. I don't want it. I
Speaker 1: don't want it to have been something nasty or sad
Speaker 1: that's happened, like as in, I don't want that. It's
Speaker 1: really interesting. You don't want there to be any sort
Speaker 1: of darkness about this teacher, like where's this teacher gone?
Speaker 1: And like it shouldn't be. I think it was sort
Speaker 1: of done as a joke. You see this person break
Speaker 1: their leg or something like that, and he was like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want that. Wow, yeah, but that
Speaker 1: fits perfectly. Yeah. What is your favorite couple in a film?
Speaker 1: It's Adam Sandler and Drew Barrymore in The Wedding Singer. Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean one of my top ten couples is Adam
Speaker 1: Sandler Andrew Barrymore in fifty First Dates. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: actually think Adam Sandler Drew Barrymore. It's interesting, isn't it
Speaker 1: How some couples, particularly rom coms, just have a certain chemistry,
Speaker 1: you know, like Hanks and Ryan. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: those two Sarnlett and Barrymore are so again believable on screen,
Speaker 1: like their relationship feels so real. But in The Wedding Singer,
Speaker 1: there's just a couple of things. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: film I really loved, Like when it came out and
Speaker 1: I was only young, I really enjoyed it. But there's
Speaker 1: a couple of things, like they're friends, their proper friends.
Speaker 1: She's like a good friend to him, and he goes
Speaker 1: through a breakup. And I always am drawn to that
Speaker 1: because my own relationship is like that. We were friends
Speaker 1: first and you know, sort of nursed each other through
Speaker 1: breakups as friends and then ended up getting together. So
Speaker 1: I've got a soft spot for anything like that. It
Speaker 1: sounded like I was going to cry then, bas I
Speaker 1: just had a cough. But there's also a little bit
Speaker 1: in that movie that really stays with me, I don't remember,
Speaker 1: but there's I think he's just been at the altar
Speaker 1: and he tells Drew Barrymore he's written the song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think the song is called Somebody Kill Me Please.
Speaker 1: It's really great, it's really funny. It's like starts as
Speaker 1: like a gentle ballad and it ends to him just
Speaker 1: like screaming into the microphone. I think that the lyrics
Speaker 1: are I want to die pretty pretty please, somebody kill me.
Speaker 1: And the camera cuts back to Drew Barrymore and she's
Speaker 1: sort of as it's been progressing, she's sort of looked
Speaker 1: a little bit alarmed. But when it sort of gets
Speaker 1: to the end and he's at his most broken, she's
Speaker 1: sort of smiling, yeah, like she's and she says like
Speaker 1: that was great, and she's kind of laughing at him.
Speaker 1: And when he is at his most ugly and his
Speaker 1: most broken, she sees something sort of funny and gentle
Speaker 1: in that when he's screaming abuse about somebody in a song.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the great quality in a couple.
Speaker 1: What film inspired you to do something slight roundabout? Answer this?
Speaker 1: The film is soul animated movie, one of the other
Speaker 1: time greats and The interesting thing about it is that
Speaker 1: the message of that film is kind of that it's
Speaker 1: not about doing one thing, you know, having these great
Speaker 1: dreams and ambitions, but it's about appreciation of life in
Speaker 1: its moment to moment experience. And I think because of
Speaker 1: who I am and the work I have done or
Speaker 1: do and kind of work I've wanted to do, I've
Speaker 1: always thought about my life in terms of, like, if
Speaker 1: I could just get that job, I could just play
Speaker 1: that part, if I could just get that script commissioned,
Speaker 1: if I could just persuade that footballer. I'm not an
Speaker 1: anchor all these things. It was four years ago, give
Speaker 1: Me Let It Go Boy nearly said his name his
Speaker 1: name there we're listening to that. I've always been sort
Speaker 1: of guilty of thinking about my life in terms of
Speaker 1: those achievements and milestones. And that's obviously what character Joe
Speaker 1: in Soul goes through where his focus is. So we've
Speaker 1: got this big break, this potential big break, and he
Speaker 1: kind of pursues it almost at the expense of everything else.
Speaker 1: And in there's that incredible scene where he sits down
Speaker 1: at a piano and he plays a piece of music.
Speaker 1: It's called Epiphany and it's by it's co written by
Speaker 1: Trent Rezner, who's the guy from like nine inch Nails,
Speaker 1: And in that he's I think as as he's playing
Speaker 1: or just before he plays it, he sort of has
Speaker 1: all these like trinkets from his experiences in his life
Speaker 1: and he realizes that, you know, this thing that he's
Speaker 1: got in this pedestal as this ultimate dream, a goal
Speaker 1: and ambition, that's not why he's here. It's not defining,
Speaker 1: and that you know, real purpose and meaning can be
Speaker 1: found in the day to day. So that movie inspires
Speaker 1: me to try and keep that perspective and remember that
Speaker 1: it's not the destination, it's the journey, and you know
Speaker 1: that there is joy and satisfactions be found just in
Speaker 1: being here. Based that sequence that you talk about, I
Speaker 1: have watched it. I have used it for my mental
Speaker 1: health that I have watched it a lot. I think
Speaker 1: it is one of the It is a very very
Speaker 1: very special, profound sequence, and I'm very glad that you
Speaker 1: picked it. And it's mental that it's in a kids film,
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, but it's also such a complicated. It's
Speaker 1: such a I think of all the Pixar films and
Speaker 1: every time they sort of tucked them. But it's it's
Speaker 1: such a like it's so unusual for a Hollywood for
Speaker 1: a Hollywood film where the message is completing the mission
Speaker 1: following your dream is not the answer. The answer is leaves.
Speaker 1: That is like fucking huge. But it doesn't surprise me
Speaker 1: that that would resonate with you as well, because you know, well,
Speaker 1: because we're also we're in the world, and I think
Speaker 1: if you're in these worlds, you may be prone to
Speaker 1: forgetting that. And that's that's partly what the movie is about.
Speaker 1: I also think another layer is added to it by
Speaker 1: by the fact that it is written by Trent Resina,
Speaker 1: and you know, in the nineties he was writing and
Speaker 1: recording music so dark and about a man sort of
Speaker 1: nihilistic almost in terms of like destroying himself, and he
Speaker 1: was almost living it as art. And now he's at
Speaker 1: another point in his life doing very different work and
Speaker 1: with a very different perspective. You know, when you know
Speaker 1: that as well, I think it adds another layer to
Speaker 1: that sequence. It is an amazing, amazing sequence based you
Speaker 1: have answered all the questions very well, and now I
Speaker 1: must decide will you go to heaven or will you
Speaker 1: go to hell? Who will be surprised that, of course,
Speaker 1: after all these wonderful answers, I am sending you to heaven.
Speaker 1: Well done, You've made it. But that doesn't mean I
Speaker 1: won't resurrect you in the end. You could offer to
Speaker 1: give me one missed a bit. In the end, you
Speaker 1: can offer to give me one film that is meaningful
Speaker 1: in the hope I will spare you. Then I will
Speaker 1: make my final decision. No spoilers. I sort of already
Speaker 1: made it. Okay, it's got to be soul, hasn't it.
Speaker 1: It's got to be soul. Correct, You're back into heaven.
Speaker 1: Well done, Yes, beasts, James the Beast mc nicholas. I
Speaker 1: look forward to seeing you wrestle in heaven with your friends.
Speaker 1: Thanks Man and Arteta back. Yeah, well, you're always work
Speaker 1: from You are truly a magnificent, thoughtful, funny, sensitive and
Speaker 1: brilliant man. Is there anything you would like to tell
Speaker 1: people to listen to look out for a watch in
Speaker 1: the coming months. No, not really. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm in a few movies here and there, but I
Speaker 1: won't tell you which, and then people will just be
Speaker 1: like that's that guy from Breast podcast. No listen, go
Speaker 1: and watch Don John. Yeah, if we've done anything, If
Speaker 1: we've done anything, it's established that people need to go
Speaker 1: and watch Don John. That's my message to you, great beast.
Speaker 1: I love you, Thank you, have a wonderful time in heaven.
Speaker 1: I see you, see I will do. I look forward
Speaker 1: to come back for the fourth one. Thank you. Films
Speaker 1: to be buried with Bretch, run out of famous friends.
Speaker 1: I work on a new concept. You just have to
Speaker 1: name fifteen other films you've seen that you haven't mentioned
Speaker 1: so far. Yeah, every question is gone, tell me another one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: wors we see Okay, all right, good good day to you. Bye.
Speaker 1: So that was episode two hundred and twenty three. Head
Speaker 1: over to the Patreon at patreon dot com. Forward slash
Speaker 1: Brett Goldstein for the extra twenty minutes of chat, secrets
Speaker 1: and video with James. Thank you so much to James
Speaker 1: for giving me his time. I very much. Hope you're
Speaker 1: all well. I really appreciate you listening. Next week it's
Speaker 1: going to be another banger. Thanks to Scoopings, Pip and
Speaker 1: there's tracks, some pieces of Network. Thanks to Buddy Piece
Speaker 1: for producing it. Thanks to ACAS for hosting it. Thanks
Speaker 1: to Adam Richardson. For the graphics, at least align them
Speaker 1: for the photography. Come and join me next week for
Speaker 1: another incredible guests. But that's it for now. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: have a lovely week and please, now more than ever,
Speaker 1: be excellent to each other