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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. And now your hosts Isaiah Stanback, heck

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Speaker 1: My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's it's a Wensday

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Speaker 1: edition of Talking Cowboys here from the s WBC Mortgage

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Speaker 1: Studios virtually again as always, Glad you're with us here

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Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys. And you know I would introduce Isaiahs

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Speaker 1: introduction already because of oh Man pre show antics or

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Speaker 1: revealed to the public. But that's okay. Heck Ma Harrison,

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand back, Glad you're with us here

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Speaker 1: on this Wednesday. I hope you're having as much fun

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Speaker 1: as we are. We're gonna break down the San Francisco

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers as well as the Dallas Cowboys coming

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Speaker 1: up on Sunday. But guys, first off, glad you're with

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Speaker 1: us and hope you're having a great day. But Rob

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Speaker 1: kind of break down the fact that the Cowboys could

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Speaker 1: get some reinforcements back as soon as today on the

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Speaker 1: practice field, Mike McCarthy saying that secondary could see some

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Speaker 1: guys get back and healthy. Yeah, just real quick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we gotta stop the jokes. I guess right before because

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Speaker 1: Chris gets mad. Chris is yelling at us to stop

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Speaker 1: giggling because we got stand by. Yeah, stop it, stop

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Speaker 1: and stop it. Okay. Injury wise, yeah, it looks like

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Speaker 1: Cheeta Wuzier should be back to practice, which means taking

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Speaker 1: him off of reserve COVID list. McCarthy said Monday that

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Speaker 1: he definitely should be ready Wednesday, so that's good, and

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Speaker 1: some more help in the secondary. Potentially Trayvon Diggs who's

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Speaker 1: still on IR and Donovan Wilson as well could practice

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Speaker 1: as early as today. So for Diggs that would be

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Speaker 1: starting that through that three week window to get him

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Speaker 1: back with the fractured foot. So you know, hey, going

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Speaker 1: some healthy bodies back there in the secondary. That's good.

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Speaker 1: How significant is that heckmanna get some some healthy bodies

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to hear about Donovan Wilson coming back

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Speaker 1: in his presence is solely missed on the defense. He has,

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Speaker 1: you know, been a temple setter for our defense. As

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Speaker 1: far as the physicality that he brings, I think Thompson,

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Speaker 1: Well will linebacker stands and he's so physical he's able

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Speaker 1: to do it well. And so hearing that he's going

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Speaker 1: to be back, and also Cheeto getting him back, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be very important. Um. But as far as

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Speaker 1: our rookie digs through the fractured foot, you know, just

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Speaker 1: let him heal up. Man. It's just I know that

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Speaker 1: we want to get more reps and see this guy

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Speaker 1: and he may end up coming back, but just for me,

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Speaker 1: caution is the best way to go for Diggs. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's good to hear that some of these guys are

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Speaker 1: coming back. I mean, you definitely, your your approach to

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Speaker 1: doubling down on what Heck just said in terms of digs,

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Speaker 1: I've had foot issues. I had to total as Frank,

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Speaker 1: and you're the foot is nothing to play with. If

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Speaker 1: he is, if he's not one, if he's like ninety,

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Speaker 1: you know, eighty five, then just let him let him

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Speaker 1: So just make sure that he's one hundred percent healthy

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Speaker 1: They came in and the form reincarnated form of Wilson

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Speaker 1: that's what we thought we were going to miss last game.

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Speaker 1: a completely different, completely different defense. Yeah, Isaiah, go for

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Speaker 1: a rob No I was just thinking, you're throwing some

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Speaker 1: more important to return? Isaiah, if we were kind of

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Wilson would be the guy between those two simply

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Speaker 1: I guess we lost Rob. So with that being said,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about growth, we're talking about wins,

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Speaker 1: There's so many different scenarios here where you can see

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Speaker 1: allow you to more evaluate or more accurately evaluate these

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Speaker 1: what we're doing right now right. I mean, we're looking

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Speaker 1: Whenever it comes to the Dallas Cowboys and that secondary

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Speaker 1: and I believe Rob Phillips is back here with us, Rob,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to hear your answer to that question, growth

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Speaker 1: since you are mister professional football analysts, We're gonna let

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Speaker 1: you start this off here. How about that? Heck my Harrison.

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Speaker 1: So Cowboys defense, San Francisco offense. This is a San

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Speaker 1: Francisco offense that is extremely banged up, missing multiple pieces

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Speaker 1: on their offensive line. No starting quarterback in Jimmy Garoppolo.

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Speaker 1: Nick Mullins comes in ten touchdown passes this year, but

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Speaker 1: he also has ten interceptions and the two touchdowns that

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Speaker 1: Washington scored the only two touchdowns that Washington scored against

435
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers last week, we're on an interception

436
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Speaker 1: return for a touchdown and a fumble recovery out of

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Speaker 1: the hands of Nick Mullins. So he has had some

438
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Speaker 1: trouble holding onto the football. The Cowboys, of course, forced

439
00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: three turnovers against Cincinnati on Sunday. When can this defense

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00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: find some success forcing turnovers against they banged up and

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00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: pretty loose offense whenever it comes to hold on to

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Speaker 1: the football. Yeah, I mean, that's that's a plan. And

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00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 1: you saw, you know, take Lawrence and him creating those fumbles,

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00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: and so hopefully because of the way that they laid

445
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: the ball on the ground, that's something that we can

446
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: we can repeat that performance. But guys. I know a

447
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: couple of y'all eighties babies, but do y'all remember this

448
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: forty nine is Cowboy rivalry and what it used to

449
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: mean in the nineties. This used to be musty TV,

450
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: Joe Money, Roger Craig Raffman. No, this was the game

451
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys may have had four Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: champions had it not been for Dion Sanders in the

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00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,959
Speaker 1: past interference against Michael Lervin. But anyway, I just you know,

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Speaker 1: look on defense has got there. They got their hands

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Speaker 1: a field with this offense. But you said it, man,

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00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: they are missing Jimmy g and I wish he would

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Speaker 1: have gotten an opportunity to play. This was a game

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Speaker 1: I had circle because of Dak and the contract and

459
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Speaker 1: all of that. Jimmy Gee, what three years ago was

460
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Speaker 1: the highest fad quarterback in the league. And so I'm

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00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: just looking for this defense to make some advancements. Although

462
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Speaker 1: they don't have Kittle, they do have Jordan Reid, who

463
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Speaker 1: was a tight end for the Washington football team. You

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Speaker 1: don't remember, he's given us fits for a number of years.

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Speaker 1: And so there are some matchups that I look for

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Speaker 1: in this game that I think are going to be

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Speaker 1: pivotal for this team. And the two that I have

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Speaker 1: is Trent Williams and Aldon Smith and Jalen Smith versus

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Speaker 1: the fullback Kyle you check. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: things that in this football game that you got to

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Speaker 1: just kind of circle and look at and because those

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Speaker 1: are gonna be pinpointed after this game how we won

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Speaker 1: or lost. I say, what matchups are you looking for

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Speaker 1: in this game overall? Is it something with the fact

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Speaker 1: of maybe a Jeff Wilson versus these linebackers by the way,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Wilson a former member of the Me and Green.

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Speaker 1: And then we've also got also got guys like Brandon Aiyuk.

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Speaker 1: I know you mentioned him earlier, the rookie out of

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Speaker 1: Arizona State. He's been have been quite the rookie season

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Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I'm not even too concerned about the

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Speaker 1: individual battles. I'm more sore concerned about their um, their

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Speaker 1: approach as a team and as an organization. Uh you know,

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Speaker 1: HECKM already alluded to it about how physical they are.

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Speaker 1: We haven't done good against physical teams. We just we

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00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: just haven't, especially teams that are relentless and um in

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Speaker 1: their pursuit to establish the ground game. These guys are

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Speaker 1: going to run the ball. They don't have Jimmy g back.

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Speaker 1: They're throwing the thing around, as you ready alluded to. Um,

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Speaker 1: they do have Brandon Ayouk, but guess what, he gets

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Speaker 1: the ball awful lot of play action, right, he gets

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Speaker 1: the ball off a ton of play actions. So these guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm more concerned about our offensive offense, their offensive line

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Speaker 1: being able to establish the ground game and then what

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Speaker 1: comes off of that. Obviously they have the matches, you know, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: hopefully we can get some digs back and you have

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Speaker 1: somebody to stand, you know, a bit of guard Ayuk

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Speaker 1: Man a man. Jordan Reed obviously concerned about him. Um,

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Speaker 1: he's been a sleeping giant. But we know what he's

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Speaker 1: capable of. So there's definitely there's definitely some a couple

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Speaker 1: of matchup opportunities there that we have to be aware of.

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Speaker 1: But overall, I'm more concerned about this office a line

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00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: collectively dominating our front seven. Right. Absolutely, you took my

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Speaker 1: thunder as a because I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking

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00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: about that Cleveland game where you know there were breakdowns

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Speaker 1: as a unit in the front seven just trying to

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Speaker 1: stop the run, and what Cleveland tries to do use

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Speaker 1: play play action off of that. That's what the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers want to do. It's it's that wide zone

509
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Speaker 1: scheme and they're gonna pound you and pound you. If

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Speaker 1: it's working, they're gonna do it over and over again.

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Speaker 1: I mean, think about the NFC Championship game last year.

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00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo through eight passes and they put up thirty

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Speaker 1: seven points, like in what's a passing league. Now, that's

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Speaker 1: just how good they can be. Now, they've had some

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Speaker 1: problems with the health of their running backs this year,

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Speaker 1: and then you lose your quarterback and the running game

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Speaker 1: hasn't been the same. Actually, I think it's actually ranked

518
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: just below the Cowboys this year, but they're still capable

519
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Speaker 1: of being productive in that area against the Cowboys defense

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00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: that has struggled there obviously, and Mike Nolan spoke to

521
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Speaker 1: this couple days ago that run defense is about everybody

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Speaker 1: winning their individual assignments and their responsibilities. And if you

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Speaker 1: get beat more than more than half, you know, five

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00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: six times out of eleven, you're you're probably in big trouble.

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Speaker 1: So they've just got to be sound as a unit.

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Speaker 1: Man's that's been the key all year long to stop

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Speaker 1: in the run game. All right, So I just kind

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Speaker 1: of want to call all three of you guys out

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Speaker 1: of one time here for just a split second. So

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Speaker 1: I'm the one that's been talking about draft and I'm

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Speaker 1: the one that's been talking about potentially losing the next

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00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: three games and on having the best feel here. But

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Speaker 1: you guys are the one that are talking up in

534
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Speaker 1: offense that's not very good right now, to the point of,

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00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they're gonna run all over us. There's physicality,

536
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: there's all sorts of different zone schemes and things like that.

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00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: I know Kyle Shanahan's a fantastic coach, but this is

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00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: not the same team that was in the NFC Championship

539
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: game last year. They don't have Garoppolo, where he mosted

540
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: is questionable, if anything, doubtful for Week fifteen. Deebo Samuel's out.

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Speaker 1: I mean Tom Compton, their offensive guard is out. Harris

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Speaker 1: Grouse or however you say his last name. The starting

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Speaker 1: center is out. I mean, there's a lot of guys

544
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: on this team that are banged up, that are hurt,

545
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: that are not going to be here, So how do

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00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: we expect them to be as physical Isaiah as they

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00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: have been in the past. So just just a piggyback

548
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: off of your point, I'm glad you brought all those

549
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: things up. Right. These guys are still who they are,

550
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: we are, they are who we think they are. That

551
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: is is in their DNA. They are relentless in their

552
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: pursuit to run the ball. They have eight yards last week.

553
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: It well, look who they're playing. The play they played Washington.

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00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they're playing Washington. I mean and they I

555
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: mean they're playing Washington. Look look what we do against Washington. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, regardless, these guys, these guys are consistent. So

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Speaker 1: and even to your point, Yeah, they've had a bunch

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Speaker 1: of injuries they've had They probably had more injuries than

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Speaker 1: we've had. Honestly, umah, yeah, I mean they've they've lost

560
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Speaker 1: more primetime guys than then we've lost. Maybe, as I said,

561
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: we're right about the same. But but yet they still

562
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: are trying to do the same exact things that they

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00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: do and nothing's changed. They're not They're not all of

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00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: a sudden throwing the ball all over the place. They're

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00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: not all of a sudden, you know, just trying to

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Speaker 1: change up what they do. They're not bringing a bunch

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00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: of reverses and and fake punts and all that kind

568
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: of stuff. They are who they are, um, and that's

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00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: that's to me, that's more dangerous than a team that's

570
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: just trying to figure stuff out, just Willie Nearly trying

571
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: to pull stuff out the back of the playbook. These

572
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Speaker 1: guys are consistent. They know who they are and again

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Speaker 1: this is in their DNA. Kyle, I have a rebuttal

574
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Speaker 1: to your rebuttal. Do it. Let's go rebuttal to the butt.

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00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: I got a butt to. But who picked against the

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00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: Dallas Oh? Last week? I totally did talk about what

577
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: was the Bengals record? Oh to nine one? Okay? And

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00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: why did you pick against the Cowboys? Because I was

579
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: mad at the Cowboys? Because you don't because maybe you

580
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: don't take the motion out of the Kyle, you don't

581
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Speaker 1: know what you're gonna get from a week to week.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's true. Yeah, and so, and I think I

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00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: think that's what we're talking about. Like, to me, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't number one. They they have shown they can run

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Speaker 1: the football better than anybody in the league when they're

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Speaker 1: when they're right number two for the for the Cowboys,

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00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't this year. It hasn't mattered who they're playing.

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00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I was saying earlier. In terms

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00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: of defensive if they're not sound with what they're doing

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Speaker 1: assignment wise defensively, they can get run on. I mean,

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00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: that's that's happened a lot of games this year. So

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00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about. But I will say this,

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00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: I will I will say this. They they are they

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00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: kind of mirror the Cowboys in terms of the injuries.

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00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: They don't have their quarterback. They can't stop turning the

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Speaker 1: ball over. I think they turn the ball over at

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00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: least twice in seven straight games. So if they do that,

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Speaker 1: and if the Cowboys are able to capitalize on that,

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00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: then the forty nine ers aren't giving themselves a chance

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Speaker 1: to win. So that that's key. But but in terms

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Speaker 1: of stopping the run, it's about the Cowboys. To me,

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00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not so much just about the opponent. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And I agree because I want to have a rebuttal

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Speaker 1: to your rebuttal to my rebuttal. But yeah, whatever it comes,

605
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to the Cowboys worst rushing defense performances.

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00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: Who was it against It was against Cleveland, it was

607
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: against Baltimore. And then throw in one more in there.

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00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: It's just one more bad game against the run this year, Washington. Cool.

609
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: That's fine. Great. So there's three right there, all the

610
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: same schemes. What did those three teams have that San

611
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: Francisco does not have. They had their starters, They had

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00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: starting guys run against you. You had Nick yeah, but no,

613
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: there no hang on, there were there were backs wear Jackson,

614
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: and then you had Antonia running went out in the

615
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: first quarter, Willow. They had their starters at one point

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00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: of time in a game. But the guys who killed

617
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: us were not their starters. It was Antonio Gibson, and

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00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: it was for Washington, Gus Edwards. I will give you, okay,

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Speaker 1: what about Cleve About Cleveland, it was Nick Chubb, Ka Hunt.

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00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: It was not Kareem Hunt has been to a Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: It was their thirst ring running back the head out

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Speaker 1: Hunters there yards get us the Okay, what's the same, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying it starts with those guys. First.

624
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: You don't have that front line of events. You have

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00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: guys that are just there. I love I mean, Jeff

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Speaker 1: Wilson's gonna be the number one rusher in this game. Hey,

627
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: are you scared of Jeff Wilson. Mike rob just said

628
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: when he quoted the rock, it doesn't matter who's in there.

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Speaker 1: It's about the scheme. Man. I mean, I understand where

630
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: you're coming from college, and you know it makes sense,

631
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Speaker 1: I believe if you just think about it long enough.

632
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: But oh man, we went up against the Baltimore squad

633
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: that was was you know, had injuries up front as well,

634
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: and they were managed to run the ball on it.

635
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: So you know, when you have a defense is giving

636
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: up what we have over the course of the thirteen

637
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: games that we played. Man, it's it's you. You cannot

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Speaker 1: we can stop this running game. Even with the damage

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Speaker 1: So a lot of those pieces are still there. The

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Speaker 1: That's what the guys are talking about the culture, the

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Speaker 1: to promise you when you line up against them is

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Speaker 1: stay committed to that inside zone and it's just gonna

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. Those things are still coming up

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Speaker 1: impersonation on certain plays. So we have got to get

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Speaker 1: those things shored up. And again we talk about momentum

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Speaker 1: fantastic day. Rob Phillips, Isaiah's dam back in professional football

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Speaker 1: trying not to drive it off the tracks. But okay,

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Speaker 1: we talked. We talked about this last segment, the coaching

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Speaker 1: staff and the DNA, and certainly the forty nine ers

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Speaker 1: do have that DNA, and Isaiah completely agree with you

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Speaker 1: on that. Whenever comes to Kyle Shanahan and what he's

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Speaker 1: begun to build out on the West Coast, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's done a great job of kind of turning that

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Speaker 1: once they get some of these guys back and these

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Speaker 1: me how the Cowboys can exploit Kyle Shanahan and how

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Speaker 1: this Mike McCarthy LEDs to can have some success against

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff as talented as this one. I think

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Speaker 1: you have to just be relentless man. That's why I

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Speaker 1: think we all said that Donifan Wilson's such an important

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Speaker 1: establish a form of physicality. We have to be able

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Speaker 1: on because you need to come downhill. It at them

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Speaker 1: know that you're there for the whole game. So they

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Speaker 1: has to start from the first snap. Um. And like

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Speaker 1: you watch, you know, the forty nine ers first play

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Speaker 1: of alignement, turns back and completely just just destroys one

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Speaker 1: of their one of Washington's linebackers, and they let they

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Speaker 1: let them know, Hey, y'all might be a better team

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Speaker 1: than us right now. But guess what, we we're here.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, We're here. We're physical. Um So,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's what you're gonna get out of these guys.

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Speaker 1: And like you said, it's in their DNA, and you know,

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Speaker 1: with their GM being who he is, I think that

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Speaker 1: so you might night I gotta have any softies on

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Speaker 1: that side of the ball. Rob Yeah, No, I mean

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Speaker 1: that what they did, even without Donovan Wilson, DeMarcus Lawrence

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Speaker 1: physical mindset culture you're talking about. Kyle offensively, Kellen Moore

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Speaker 1: said it on a call on Monday, He's got to

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Speaker 1: do a better job calling plays in the red zone

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Speaker 1: kicking field goals. You know, a better day for Greg's rline,

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Speaker 1: to go situations. And I think more than anything, they

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Speaker 1: get space. But that's got to be a key to

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Speaker 1: finish your drives. That's been a problem all year long. Hey, Rob,

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Speaker 1: that that what you just mentioned by Kelly Moore. I

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Speaker 1: want people to look past the fact that he admitted it,

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Speaker 1: right He's That's that's called accountability. And players, as much

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Speaker 1: they want to know are they pushing this off on

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Speaker 1: us or are they going to own up to it

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Speaker 1: and self critique themselves. So that's huge. Yeah, yeah, accountability

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Speaker 1: has been a huge problem at the beginning of the season.

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Speaker 1: And again, you know, when you go back over the record,

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Speaker 1: And we've seen those games where it was just hopeless

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Speaker 1: and we had nothing. And I just believe that that

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Speaker 1: demoralizing feeling that that Cowboys as a as an organization

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Speaker 1: has filmed. They're done with that, and I hope they're

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Speaker 1: done with that, and hopefully that's a nasty taste in

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Speaker 1: the game, right, but we're not gonna lose the fight.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna bring it all, right, And that's what this

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Speaker 1: kind of matchup is indicative of. Man, you have got

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Speaker 1: you know, but the fight's still there. We try so

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Speaker 1: we gotta have some of that this Sunday when you

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Speaker 1: think that's a huge credit to this coach because if

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Speaker 1: no fight. It seemed like there was no energy, there

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Speaker 1: was no rallying to the football, and even after that.

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Speaker 1: you saw it again on Thanksgiving at least for three quarters.

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Speaker 1: ready to play to the point where they're not embarrassed anymore.

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Speaker 1: They're out there making hits. Like rob said, you got

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Speaker 1: of swagger that you've been waiting to see from this

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Speaker 1: the last few weeks, and I think it continues to

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Speaker 1: it here for this edition of Talking Cowboys. So glad

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