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Speaker 1: Vice. Sure, it's nice. Hello lo love a love loa Loawallo.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Naughty but Nicia and your host rum Shooter.

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Speaker 1: It's Thursday, which means our dear friend Mark Luther joins us,

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Speaker 1: I missed your last week, louve hellover loa lo are

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Speaker 1: you there?

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Speaker 2: I missed you to lupy luis here Hi Rum.

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Speaker 1: I was back in Britain last week. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: all your kind messages. Mark, you sent me a lovely texting,

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Speaker 1: so thank you, thank you, thank you. My dad is

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Speaker 1: doing a little bit better, thankfully, because I had a

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Speaker 1: hospital so fingers crossed. I read him or your DMS

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Speaker 1: all your messages and it gave him such joy. He

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Speaker 1: was also to a little bit perplexed. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he really knows what I do for a living, and

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Speaker 1: so this is a very difficult thing to explain to

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Speaker 1: a policeman, a retired policeman. My family all had regular

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Speaker 1: quote jobs like teachers, police people. They were one my

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Speaker 1: brother's an electrics cution. My sister Anne is a nurse,

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Speaker 1: and so me talking each day and making out of it.

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Speaker 1: They fired absolutely bizarre, particularly because they think I should

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Speaker 1: shut up a little bit around the family dinner table. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's jump into the show. What time is it, my friends?

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Speaker 1: It is tea time. So luckily, the silver lining of

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Speaker 1: me being in London, Mark is I met with all

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Speaker 1: my old friends who now mainly work at Buckingham Palace.

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Speaker 1: If you're a gay guy in Britain, the number one

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Speaker 1: job you want is in Bookingham Palace. And I've got

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Speaker 1: to admit at least three or four of my friends

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Speaker 1: now work for the Royal sel. I've got a ton

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Speaker 1: of Royal news. Harry and King Charles's peace summit, which

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Speaker 1: was meant to happen next week. Harry's going back to

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Speaker 1: London next week for a charity event. It has imploded

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Speaker 1: and they can't agree on anything. Mark, So sources tell

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Speaker 1: me this long waited meeting and have not seen each

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Speaker 1: other in twenty months. Mark, that's a long time. That's

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Speaker 1: theost two years not seeing each other. So their camp's

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Speaker 1: got together. They're trying to schedule this, but they can't

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Speaker 1: agree on even the basics. The whole thing's a mess.

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Speaker 1: One source tells me they can't decide the date, the time,

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Speaker 1: or the location. So forget the agenda, forget what they're

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Speaker 1: talking about At this point, they can't even decide where

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Speaker 1: they want to do it. Charles the King wants to

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Speaker 1: do it at Windsor Castle or at Buckingham Paris Palace.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Clarence has Harry's team wants a neutral settings far

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Speaker 1: away from the palace walls, so the clashing of the

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Speaker 1: location also to the time. Harry is a little bit flexible.

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Speaker 1: He's light, we'll do it at two ish. Charles is light,

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Speaker 1: we'll do it at two like they don't do ish

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Speaker 1: and I get that to him. My mom and dad

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Speaker 1: got really annoyed with me when I was in Britain

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Speaker 1: because I'm very Ish, Like if we have drinks, mark

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Speaker 1: on make you six ish, but it's not your very

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Speaker 1: actually your old school on this you if you say six,

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Speaker 1: on time. I like that, but it's just another difference.

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Speaker 1: And then what are they going to talk about? So

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is going to happen at least

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Speaker 1: might be wrong, Maybe they'll change their minds. I've got

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Speaker 1: But I think he a deep down mock is they're

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Speaker 1: They don't really want to meet. This has happened to me.

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Speaker 1: If I say to you, let's get a drink, but

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Speaker 1: I don't give you the date, I don't really want

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, yeah, I mean I think

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Speaker 2: that's life in New York, right. You just you want

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Speaker 2: This is different because it's when you break it down

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, it's so neither one of them are

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Speaker 1: But I think here, with friends or people that you

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Speaker 1: oblique which come with that too. It is a messy affair,

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Speaker 1: this family. You have said it, Mark, and I have

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Speaker 1: TV talking about the Royals. Petty, petty, petty, I just

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Speaker 1: it's such a petty bunch. They can't get it together now.

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Speaker 1: An insider in California tells me, even if this meeting

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Speaker 1: waste of time. It's never ever going to be fixed.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this will be the first step, Maybe it'll be

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Speaker 1: good pr for Harry and for the king, but it's

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Speaker 1: not going to fix anything unless William, who really is

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Speaker 1: You can make time, you can find a priority, even

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Speaker 1: if it is the day of the Queen's and that's

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Speaker 1: That's another thing that they're very worried about, too, is

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Speaker 1: The meeting between King Charles and Prince Harry has collapsed

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Speaker 1: as of now, it is not happening. He's going back

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Speaker 1: next week and they have nothing on the schedule. Who

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Speaker 1: is to blame? Hi? Ooh is it the King? Is

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Speaker 1: it Prince Harry? Maybe it's both. Hey, go vote on

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Speaker 1: to hear your results. Hey, loopy lou, where are you

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the ass warrens h Okay. So, Asia

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Speaker 2: Osborne's death has left fans more the Prince of darkness,

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Speaker 2: but while his family works to sanctify his legacy critics

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Speaker 2: well and not all the stories are great or fit

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Speaker 2: for sainthood. So let me explain. So last this past week,

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Speaker 2: Jack Osbourne came out swinging at Pink Floyd legend Roger

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Speaker 2: Waters for dismissing Ozzie's music. But the outburst has backfired

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Speaker 2: and opened a pendor's box, so to speak of ugly reminders. Now,

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Speaker 2: one source said they're trying to rewrite history, the source

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Speaker 2: told our podcast, and Ozzy was loved, but he had

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Speaker 2: a complicated legacy. Now I have a list free of

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Speaker 2: just a few finders, a few reminders.

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Speaker 1: A big big is a big So.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty nine, Ozzy drunkenly tried to strangle Sharon,

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Speaker 1: I remember there was also cruelty towards animals. He is

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Speaker 1: We've had this happen in the world of celebrity whenever

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Speaker 1: TV talking about Hulk's legacy. It's a complicated legacy. This

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Speaker 1: But is at the moment to tell the whole story.

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Speaker 1: Forgive me for making this about myself, but I've been

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Speaker 1: be very clear. He but people are complicated, Mark, You

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Speaker 1: and I have stories, we have moments that were not

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Speaker 1: have a rule, Mark, that you have to give me

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Speaker 1: at least eighty percent joy. You can be an awful

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Speaker 1: of the time, then we cannot be friends. I can

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Speaker 1: forgive a mistake, I can forgive a tantrum. I can

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Speaker 1: forgive a bad moment. Once again, These Ozzie examples that

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Speaker 1: Mark provided are are extreme, and none of my friends

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Speaker 1: one incident. Mark. If you did something really outrageous that

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Speaker 1: not what you do. You talk about. Where are you

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Speaker 1: on this, Mark? I would imagine you're a little bit

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