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Speaker 1: A big bank.

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Speaker 2: DJ Scream bring you big facts.

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Speaker 3: A lot from Revolse Studios. It's time for big facts,

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Speaker 3: big bank.

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Speaker 1: What up? DJ Scream up here?

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Speaker 3: We got special guests in the building, Rico love Lyrica Anderson,

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Speaker 3: Sean Garrett, a lot of publishing, a lot of money

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Speaker 3: in the building today, a little big fast.

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Everybody feeling? Everybody is amazing. How you feeling?

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Speaker 1: Everybody good? Everything good.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have a good, good conversation today as it

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Speaker 3: pertas to you know what I want to start with.

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Speaker 3: I want to start with a question so we can

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Speaker 3: clarify this right What is a hit?

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Speaker 1: What is a hit record? Let's start right there. What

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Speaker 1: is a hit? A hit song is just something that

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Speaker 1: does well and performs well. If you're asking with a

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Speaker 1: great song or something, that's a different conversation. But a

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Speaker 1: hit is not necessarily any science. It's just a song

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Speaker 1: that's plaid a lot, that does well. It does numbers

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Speaker 1: that climb the charts. Okay, it's very drive. Just like saying,

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Speaker 1: what's a pop song? A pop song and songs is

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Speaker 1: very popular like by nature, no matter the genre, a

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Speaker 1: pop song is just a song that is extremely popular.

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Speaker 3: So can somebody say in the studio that's a hit?

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Speaker 3: Can they really say that before it's been tested and

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Speaker 3: been put out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think people know a hit and they could

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Speaker 1: recognize a hit, and that's and also there are people

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Speaker 1: that can recognize it a quality song that does it's

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Speaker 1: incredibly well written and crafted and may not perform as well.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, there are some people who are extremely talented

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Speaker 1: at observing a record and saying this record is going

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Speaker 1: to perform in this way, and this record has the

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Speaker 1: qualities of a song that can be consistently paid played

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Speaker 1: as a hit record, we give it a shut.

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Speaker 4: I agree. I think that when you're in the studio,

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Speaker 4: you do. You just feel it.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes I've been in the studio people and they're just like,

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Speaker 5: oh my gosh, this is a hit.

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Speaker 4: We got us one, We got us one.

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Speaker 5: And fair ears matter though, get in the record, you know,

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Speaker 5: pushed and heard and stuff, because you could have a hit

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Speaker 5: and be sitting if you get it to the right

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Speaker 5: person and it gets out there like like you said,

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Speaker 5: it's climbing the charts and boom, you got you a hit.

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Speaker 1: What's so? Yeah, I guess I would I tend to agree.

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Speaker 6: I think there's definitely a different difference in like levels

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Speaker 6: of hits. You know, I hear record is you know.

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Speaker 6: I think over time, we've sort of like come to

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Speaker 6: a place where we've used the word hit.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: I think that you know, keeping that keeping that level

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Speaker 6: is important for all of us.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, keeping that level of uh strive.

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Speaker 6: It's it's like just because your record is on the radio, well,

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Speaker 6: just because the record is playing because I mean a

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Speaker 6: lot of times, when you know the business, you know that,

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Speaker 6: you know a lot of times your records are played

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Speaker 6: in cycles, right, So you might have a six week cycle,

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Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, You might go to radio

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Speaker 6: for six weeks. And just because your records playing on

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Speaker 6: the radio for six weeks doesn't necessarily mean it's a

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Speaker 1: My mean, it's getting some action, right.

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Speaker 6: But I feel like hits are things that take over

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Speaker 6: to me in my opinion, I feel like records are

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Speaker 6: because that's the goal.

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Speaker 1: You know, the goal is to.

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Speaker 6: I mean, for lack of better words, you got to

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Speaker 6: plate because there's only so many slots, right.

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Speaker 1: What's what's you think? What's you'll think? The biggest song

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Speaker 1: out right now, like the biggest hit right now. This

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Speaker 1: Summer is the Miami record for sure. It is the hottest,

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Speaker 5: Love that record. Yeah, I think it's on this way too.

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Speaker 5: That's gonna be her big one on her big big Oh,

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Speaker 1: Your Banging and uh Janney. Those are very strong records,

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Speaker 1: very strong. So I think right now though, if you

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Speaker 1: But it's like even though people they counted Drake out,

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Speaker 1: they still play those records now, but they've played his

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Speaker 1: the Floyd Mayweather music people hope that he failed. I

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Speaker 1: to watch Floyd fight just to see if he's going

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Speaker 1: to lose, and every and every fight you would hear

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Speaker 1: him with this. So I think that because Drake has

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Speaker 1: him to lose every time around. But wait, young Miami.

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Speaker 1: The reason why I feel like this record feels a

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Speaker 1: bit more urgent is because she was really left to die,

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Speaker 1: her all the way out, even her own record company.

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Speaker 1: So I think that the fact that this record is

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Speaker 1: like male female and everything about it is like strong.

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Speaker 1: I think this record right now, it's just it would

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Speaker 3: What's the difference between that though, Like not saying particularly

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Speaker 3: pointing to her record, but you got you got hit

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Speaker 3: records that we hear and they take over the summer,

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Speaker 3: then you got swag surfing, or you got the records

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Speaker 3: that never go away? Back that ass up juvenile, Like,

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Speaker 3: how do we categorize that's all those colossal hiss t.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can even know, like over time

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Speaker 1: you'll know, like you'll decide. You can't decide in the

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Speaker 1: moment that that song is going to be a forever record, right.

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Speaker 1: I think as the summers progress, as time goes on,

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Speaker 1: what happens is it becomes a staple, a call out

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Speaker 1: I think social media is where you kind of get

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Speaker 1: it's almost impossible to predict is this song gonna be

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Speaker 1: around ten years from it? You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Because you got to be

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Speaker 1: in the studio, you you kind of know a special record.

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Speaker 1: Y'all got it? When I say knowing a special record,

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Speaker 1: knowing it is a record is special, and knowing how

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Speaker 1: to it long long term, it's different. And this is

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Speaker 1: a new this is a total new space that we're in.

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Speaker 1: We're in a space where we can't we don't even

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Speaker 1: we can have the best song. You can't even predict

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Speaker 1: it's gonna do well. There's six hundred thousand songs upload

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Speaker 1: every day on Spotify. So it's not about how good

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Speaker 1: your song is. It's about the that you create around yourself.

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Speaker 1: We can go in the studio right now and create

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Speaker 1: the most powerful record, impactful, we think for an artist,

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Speaker 1: and then it'll be an artist that just had a wave,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you could literally get

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Speaker 1: popular by falling downstairs these days.

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Speaker 4: So that's what I meant by fair ears.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because it's not guaranteed just because it's a hit

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Speaker 5: record that it's going to get heard like that. And

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Speaker 5: I agree with you on Young Miami, it's like feels

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Speaker 5: like it's her time, like she got counted out and

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Speaker 5: people like to root for the underdogs too, so it's like,

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Speaker 5: oh my gosh, now she was in the group and

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Speaker 5: jac was doing her thing. Now she's doing hers, Oh

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Speaker 5: my gosh. So I think it's a mixture of that. Drake,

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Speaker 5: I think, is one of those type of people where you're.

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Speaker 4: Saying, your records live on forever. We've been listening to Drake.

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Speaker 5: I lost count so many years at this point, but

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Speaker 5: every time Drake drops new things, I'm just like such

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Speaker 5: a fan because it's just it's always urgent, it always

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Speaker 5: feels good. So I think he's just one of those

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Speaker 5: really special artists. But like Rigo said, you can't always

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Speaker 5: guarantee your record's going to be around ten fifteen years.

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Speaker 5: Some nineties records we still I still love today.

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Speaker 4: Who would or not like? Who would have thought? You

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Speaker 1: Told me a long time ago. He said, Uh, he

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Speaker 1: made a song called Drunken Hot Girls too much with

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Speaker 1: these Drunken Hot Girls. It ended up being performed, but

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Speaker 1: his mentality behind that song was that whenever you can

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Speaker 1: at the top, it's gonna be in stadium. That's what

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Speaker 1: he told me, right, So when when you hear wait

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Speaker 1: Till I Get, it's just instant, not just because of

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Speaker 1: the infectious choruses, because it's a fairy tale type of

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Speaker 1: uh you know record so oh my scam ma. It's

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Speaker 1: just too easy to learn to think that those type

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Speaker 1: of And you know what, the greatest part about the

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Speaker 1: hits are they remind you of where you are today

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Speaker 1: in this moment. This is a song Lately by Stevie

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Speaker 1: Wonder but Joe See did the remakers of Lately, And

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Speaker 1: every time I hear the song, I remember the exact

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Speaker 1: I remember what was going on. I remember it was

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Speaker 1: a summer where a lot of guys I knew had

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Speaker 1: for me. So it's a certain nostalgia and it's almost

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Speaker 1: like a sadness that comes over me when I hear

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Speaker 1: that song. But there are certain records that define a

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Speaker 1: I also feel like, you know, music is about your optimism.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. It's like it's like it

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Speaker 6: has a lot to do with you too, right. It's

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Speaker 6: like it's like I feel like people live to hate,

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Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, Like they live to hate

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Speaker 6: what you do, right, But if you're really optimistic about

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Speaker 6: what you do and you're really excited about it. Because

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Speaker 6: I remember a lot of times, you know, when I

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Speaker 6: was younger, I was a bit wild, you know. So

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Speaker 6: I was really wild about music, you know. And I

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Speaker 6: think a lot of times we used to be like, yo,

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Speaker 6: why he's so fucking hype, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: But I used to really be excited about the music.

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Speaker 6: I was excited about, like I want to hear this song,

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Speaker 6: like I believe this song is great, Like, you know,

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Speaker 6: I had to optimism, and I think a lot of times,

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Speaker 6: you know, it's sometimes rubbed off on other people to

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Speaker 1: If we could be honest, I feel like the most

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Speaker 1: I hate that we know so much. No think the

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Speaker 6: But I'm saying if you, I'm saying, you know, I'm saying,

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Speaker 6: This ship is not it's a facade, right, So it's

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Speaker 6: I'm saying, it's just like, you know, then everybody talk

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Speaker 6: I'm seeing more, I'm seeing people doing shit that goes

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Speaker 6: That's music. Like people have changed the perspective of what

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, it's like participation.

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Speaker 4: It's like a kid in a candy store.

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Speaker 5: There is so many choices, like you said, there's so

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Speaker 4: So it's like you almost have to catch you have

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Speaker 4: You're on the charts. People are focusing on that.

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Speaker 1: to the forefront because everything else is going to be

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00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,919
Speaker 1: oversaturated and overdone. So when he made that song to

437
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 1: entertain it and what eight years before I was even born,

438
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,439
Speaker 1: it was an idea of shit is getting fucked up,

439
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: the same conversation that we have in right now. It's

440
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 1: always happened. That's why it doesn't scare me as much

441
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 1: as a scared most is because I know that we

442
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 1: came there. It's always gonna happen. It's gonna get it's

443
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: gonna go further, further, further, further, further this way, and

444
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 1: before you know it, there's gonna be this one kid

445
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: that shows up with a guitar and a great voice,

446
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: and then kids are only gonna want to hear great

447
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 1: quality voice, great quality songs. So I just say, let

448
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 1: it run, let it run its course. Thankfully enough, we

449
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 1: created catalogs and music that's gonna that gonna keep running back.

450
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep being sing, were gonna keep being.

451
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,719
Speaker 4: Life is gonna keep changing, and we just like, as

452
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 4: long as you.

453
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: In your purpose and because stay consistent in what you do,

454
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 1: that's why it's important for us to even platforms like this,

455
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: the value is that we live with. We gotta keep

456
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 1: talking about it. We gotta keep presenting ourselves and being

457
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, present and being available for people because it's

458
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 1: somebody watching that's gonna be like, you know, I resonate

459
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: with that more than I dude the fluff, you know

460
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 1: what I mean? And they need to hear.

461
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 6: They need to hear the reality is like we've been

462
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 6: there when it was like you ain't had none, you

463
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. It's like you had to score,

464
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 6: right and he had to score again. They had to

465
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 6: score again, and it's like that scoring is like it's

466
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 6: like a need. It's like a need like you you

467
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 6: love it so much, like the love gotta come back

468
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 6: to it. It's basically what we're trying to say. It's

469
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 6: not to sound corny and no shit like that, but

470
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 6: it's just like a great song is just a great song.

471
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 6: You know, it's just like it's some shit that makes

472
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 6: you like Sadie swims like, you know, like he's really

473
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 6: a great artist. Like I don't, I don't care what, no,

474
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. It's just like his voice

475
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 6: is really really great.

476
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 1: You know.

477
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 6: He just has an affectionate vibe right that makes you,

478
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 6: you know, want to listen to his music, whether you

479
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 6: a guy or a girl or whatever, you're in love

480
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 6: or not. It's just great music. And I think that

481
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:58,719
Speaker 6: the more that we witness each other in our uh uh,

482
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 6: in our experience, like you got to talk about when

483
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 6: you went through those times when you didn't have nothing,

484
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 6: You got to talk about those times when you struggle,

485
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 6: because when you struggle, you don't worry about struggling no more.

486
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

487
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 6: You're like, man, I've seen shit way worse than this,

488
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. But people don't actually believe it.

489
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 6: It's like people ask you all these questions like what

490
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 6: did you do? What did it take? You know, and

491
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 6: when you give them, you give them your heart and

492
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 6: tell them like yo, man, I really sat in the

493
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 6: studio for three days in road this fucking song. You

494
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, I really believe this motherfucker was

495
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 6: gonna really go. You know what I'm saying. I really

496
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 6: did tell him that, Like I really did argue with

497
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 6: this person for like a whole fucking two weeks about

498
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 6: this song. You know what I'm saying, all of the

499
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 6: things that you go through. I really did talk to

500
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 6: my brother's mama and say, Yo, this is going.

501
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's like those things are

502
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: so ask you something when you because what I had

503
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: to do a long time ago was learn how to

504
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: recognize what could work and what not work, right, I

505
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: said it before another uh scenarios and other settings Like

506
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 1: when I first heard Yeah, I laughed. I thought it

507
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: was I thought it was a horrible song, right, And

508
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, and now I hear it, I'm like, how

509
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: wrong was I? You know what I mean? Like now,

510
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: I just my ear is different and I understand what

511
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: the hit records sound like. But you know, I'm not

512
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: one of those niggas in front. I didn't get it

513
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: at first, and then when I heard it on the radio,

514
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: it was almost like a different thing. Then what I

515
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: when I started learning how to do was hearing the

516
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: song the way the writer hears it, hearing the song

517
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: division because I know you heard it the way that

518
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: it was when you did it right, So over time

519
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: what with and I know the same I'm not the

520
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: guy in it, but I got right here. I'm just

521
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: trying to ask you, when was the time in the

522
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: moment that you knew how to recognize this thing is special?

523
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: Because he got a lot of evergreens, you know what

524
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: I mean. A lot of people were fortunate enough and

525
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm blessed enough to have had some great successes in

526
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 1: the business, but not many guys like Sean who could

527
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: say they got twenty evergreens, you know what I mean. So,

528
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: and if you don't know what the evergreen is, it's

529
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: just one of those songs that just don't stop. And

530
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: this man got a lot of them. So what about

531
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: your ear? Or or is it even a thing? Sometimes

532
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: we exist as a thing so long that you don't

533
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,959
Speaker 1: even know that you just have that magic? Or is

534
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: it the ear? Is it somebody else who heard the

535
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: song for you even though you're created Because a lot

536
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: of times people heard the records that was my best songs,

537
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: and I didn't know, you know what I mean, but

538
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: when do you hear the song and say, I know

539
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: because it was Goodies, it was yeah, and it was

540
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: one more right up run it and it was like

541
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people may not get it early, but

542
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: you got check upon it. It was same type of way.

543
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: What do you feel like, isn't what are you hearing

544
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: in it?

545
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like all of us got superpowers,

546
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 6: see like like seriously, like I'm I'm like a I'm

547
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 6: like a kid that believes in it, like the unbelievable

548
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 6: I really do believe in unbelievable shit, you know what

549
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 6: I'm saying. Like I remember sitting in my sitting in

550
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 6: my my sitting in my room when I was like

551
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 6: a kid. You know, I'm from King's Ridge, you know,

552
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 6: I'm overd a Europe when I was like six, So

553
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 6: like I had, I had an imaginary type of life,

554
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 6: like I ain't really like my parents, Like I was

555
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 6: kind of sheltered from Like I'm in King's Ridge and shiit,

556
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 6: but motherfucker's out in the streets playing football in the

557
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 6: middle street and ship and I'm in the house thinking

558
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 6: about songs.

559
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

560
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 6: I really liked songs. I really like music. I really

561
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 6: loved it, like I loved it, and I just had

562
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 6: an imagination. So I felt like a lot of times

563
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 6: when I when I would do create songs, I was

564
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 6: creating songs from imagination and a feeling. I wasn't creating

565
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 6: songs to like be cool or to hang out people,

566
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 6: or to be popular or no shit, I really like,

567
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 6: I really was just like and if anybody that's seen

568
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 6: me work, you know what I'm saying, Like, I just

569
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 6: love music. I love songs and I and I felt

570
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 6: like once I get that feeling, I feel like, oh damn,

571
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 6: I felt like I loved it so much. I wanted

572
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 6: to give it to other people. People be like, damn,

573
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 6: why don't you keep them songs for yourself? I'll be like, shit,

574
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 6: I feel so good about it. I could I could

575
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 6: do a song for you. I could do a sothng

576
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 6: for you. I could do a song for you. And

577
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 6: I got a thrill from that, you know what I'm

578
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 6: saying At the first time. I never thought you know

579
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 6: about that at first? And I feel like people do

580
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 6: have superpowers. I feel like people can imagine and I

581
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 6: feel like the shit you really believe in it could

582
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 6: really happen. Like my mom really convinced me that I

583
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 6: could do anything I really wanted to do.

584
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: So I really believe that shit.

585
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 6: I really did, Like Kanye say, my mom said I

586
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 6: could do that shit, Like I really believe that. So

587
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 6: the more I the more I did it and the

588
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 6: shit started happening, I was like, old on, this ship

589
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 6: is for real. So then it got to a point

590
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 6: nobody could tell me I could because those same people

591
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 6: that told me the shit didn't work.

592
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: By the way, on once this thing happened, is for

593
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: you one time, and I'm going to tell you even

594
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: even better. There have been many scenarios where I got

595
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: really close before I got a break, and that that

596
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: that's when they was fucked up then. Like it wasn't

597
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: the thing when I made a hit that made me confident.

598
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: It was when I got really close and they said, oh,

599
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: you can be in the room now. Then I was like, oh,

600
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: y'all fucked up now. Like that that gave me more

601
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: confidence than even actually having a success. It was when

602
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: we would take the meeting and they I'm like, bro,

603
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: we really in this meeting, Like they let us upstairs

604
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: and they name my name was. They showed me y'all

605
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: fucked up so I could even leave the meeting. They said, nah,

606
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: not this time, but take my number. Goods good and

607
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: that that and I think that that is you know

608
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: that feeling even when it's like this close. I remember

609
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: when I heard you.

610
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 6: When I heard it right, when I heard the song

611
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 6: that he had on Confessions, I was fucked up because

612
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 6: I was like, Damn, I only knew him as a rapper.

613
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: I was like, Damn really wrote that song? What's throw back?

614
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: Bro back?

615
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

616
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: And then the other song that I heard that I

617
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: think pool Bet did is Superstar.

618
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 6: When I heard Superstar and then I heard caught Up,

619
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, ship, Like it was it was

620
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 6: either I was going to show up or I wasn't

621
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 6: gonna make it. And this is a different part of

622
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 6: music making that I think people haven't experienced.

623
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: Don't get this ain't no street ship. This ain't no

624
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: like there's some real music ship, like we really bro.

625
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: Atlanta was different. There's some music. This is not like.

626
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 6: This ain't like trying to be cool, trying to hang out,

627
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 6: trying to take pictures.

628
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: Who the fuck? How hard you are? This is bro,

629
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: this is how it was. You had KP you had

630
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: Mark Pitts, Right, those are the two main guys working

631
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: that record, and KP would come down and Daryl Jones.

632
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: You would come in. Daryl Jones, you would come down

633
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: and if you had a me with KP, KP would

634
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: pull you in the room and he would play you

635
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: six songs off Confession and you'd be like, oh my God.

636
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: Like by the way, the talk of this album in

637
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. It came out, oh four in

638
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, the talk of this album was

639
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: like the coming of Christ. It was like that you

640
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: hear everybody in the business is walking around. Did you

641
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: hear a new usher word? Bro? You got to hit

642
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: this nigga guy. So when you got in that room

643
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: and they played you Caught Up because I think because

644
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: remember Caught Up and Bad Girl was attendant for the

645
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: single before Yeah came about, they thought that burn was

646
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: gonna be there warm up. Well, Burne was the missile

647
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: that they was going to follow up. But they was

648
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: gonna start, you know, get to get the people talking.

649
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: But they thought that Bad Girl or Caught Up were

650
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: going to be the uptempo records that take them to

651
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: the moon. So when you running around and you're hearing

652
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: him sing on Caught Up, because the vocal performance on Caught.

653
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 4: Up was insane, out of this world.

654
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: So imagine at a time where that was truly respected

655
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: in the culture. So it was a different time because

656
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: relationships were different. Now social media it separated us so much,

657
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: something that was intended to bring us closer because you

658
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: got everybody at your fingertips. Accessibility can create a certain

659
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: distance that people don't expect, and the fact that I

660
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: have the easy access to you makes you less valuable.

661
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: You gotta call you, you what you're doing because I

662
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: can already look at So with Confessions, it was like

663
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 1: word of mouth. It was like did you hear the

664
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: new record? Did you hear about this song? So the

665
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: competition was almost scary because you were like, well, we

666
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: about two weeks done on it. I think I like

667
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: maybe another week on this album. And I think the

668
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: last week of recording is when he came a year

669
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Speaker 1: And I remember after you cut the record and I

670
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: heard the vocals and I was like, oh shit, hold

671
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: on now, and I just I really feel bad. I

672
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: feel bad for current songwriters in this space because they

673
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: don't get the opportunity to exist amongst each other the

674
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: way that we existed.

675
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 6: But they gonna be somewhere saying it's in a different

676
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 6: way way, so.

677
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: It's all gonna be the same thing repeated, it's gonna

678
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: be what I think. I pray that they don't get

679
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: further further away from each other than we did.

680
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 5: Even Chris Brown, like he was around when no social

681
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 5: media was popping.

682
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 4: You know, I've written for chris'all written.

683
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 5: For Chris and then like now look at him. He posts,

684
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 5: He let us be known. He speaks his mind what

685
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 5: he's feeling. He'll put it on Instagram, cut somebody out

686
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 5: if they pissed him up. And I like that because

687
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 5: he's always his authentic self. But I'm saying, like back then,

688
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 5: it wasn't a thing like they like you just said

689
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 5: you could sit and just write a song in a studio.

690
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 5: What was he like sixteen fifteen when he first came out.

691
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 5: Now he has to like, like I said, the times.

692
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 4: Change for the internet, it's just different. Yeah, I agree.

693
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 6: Like when I worked with him, you know, I did

694
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 6: run it and give me that and ain't no way.

695
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 6: But I knew that, like I knew he was out

696
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 6: of there because I knew that I could. I had

697
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 6: already had already tested the water with yeah right, And

698
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 6: I had already knew.

699
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: That Chris was like the closest thing to Usher.

700
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 6: So it was like, if I could give Chris a

701
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 6: record that was close to Michael Jackson because I knew

702
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 6: he I knew when people saw him they had never

703
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 6: seen him. The thing is like, you got to play

704
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 6: into the other things too. It's like, if you know

705
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 6: a person is attractive, you gotta play to that lead.

706
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 6: If a person can dance, you gotta play to that lead.

707
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 6: If as if a person has a kinetic personality, you

708
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 6: gotta play to that lead.

709
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: Right.

710
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 6: It's like the songs that I would write, I would

711
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 6: write songs to play to people's personality. I went playing.

712
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 6: I was just want writing songs. I was writing like

713
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 6: ringa Along was about, of course, when there's a billion

714
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 6: dollars on the motherfug elevator, some shit gonna go down.

715
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: That was the first sound of it. You feel me.

716
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: It's like Enia Along.

717
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 6: I've been through this too long, but I'll be damn

718
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 6: if I see another bitch in your own she gonna

719
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 6: be rocking Chintilla coats.

720
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: If I let you go piped in the house. Fuck

721
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: the coach, you know what I'm saying.

722
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 6: I was on that type of time, and it was

723
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 6: like it was always a surprise people because I was

724
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 6: thinking out of this world. I wasn't thinking like trying

725
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 6: to be rational, you know, I was trying to be irrational.

726
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 6: And the idea of superstars are people that think outside

727
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 6: the box, people that do irrational ship. You know, the

728
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 6: song get Me Body, that was like taking a phrase from.

729
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: Sleep on that bridge too, by the way, that's one

730
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: of the dopest bridges. Or don't give me to Me,

731
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: that's one of the dopest bridges.

732
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: This up a little bit. How do y'all do that?

733
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 3: Like how how do y'all write these records for women?

734
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: How do you write a record for a man?

735
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 1: Like? How what?

736
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 3: What's the pro I just want to understand that, Like

737
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 3: what's the process? Like do you have to meet conversation?

738
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: It's being yourself under the imaginary circumstance. The greatest actor

739
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: is the person that can be themselves under the imaginary circumstance.

740
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: So all I'm doing is observing transformers. You're not the

741
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: actual This up to come right. You get inside the

742
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: machine and you're moving it in a way that you

743
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: feel like it should move right. So I think what

744
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: people think that the assumption is that I understand women.

745
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: I do not. The assumption is that assumption. No, No,

746
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: I don't understand women. What I do know is that

747
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: I paid attention to things that make them react. I wrote.

748
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: I wrote songs that I totally disagree with, you know

749
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: what I mean? I wrote twork for the city girls.

750
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: I don't even like that type of girl, you know

751
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: what I mean? That talk like that show materialistic and

752
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: he got to give me money. I hate them type

753
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: of girls, right, But I hear the things that they say,

754
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: and what I'm saying I know and I've observed from

755
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: and I think that that's why I always believe that

756
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: a person who writes great songs can't be arrogant, because

757
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: to be able to observe and anything, everything about what

758
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: we do is observing and putting ourselves second and saying,

759
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: all right, how do this is what I observe that

760
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: you're saying. This is how I imagine you're saying it.

761
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 5: This is really a great make yourself like be them

762
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 5: instead of trying to be you like, allow yourself to

763
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 5: put yourself in their shoes?

764
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: Did you exactly like you? You're imagining yourself as them.

765
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: You're not you, but you are you because you. It's

766
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: your interpretation of what.

767
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 6: Basically said, basically saying you can you can you can

768
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 6: expose a person through their music from your leans. Yes,

769
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 6: you're saying like, this is what I.

770
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: Think you mean, right, even if it's ridiculous, I'm going

771
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: to say it the way in a crazy less enough.

772
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 5: Sometimes if you get in with the artists, they'll tell

773
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 5: you their story. Like Chris, I think.

774
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: It's better when you don't. When you don't you don't know.

775
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: I think it's better when you tell them what you

776
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: think of when I get When I get in the

777
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: studio with artists, I never asked them to tell me

778
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: what they want to sing about. I talked about. I

779
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: talked to them about current events. They don't even know.

780
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm really telling their temperature. We'll get in the studio

781
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: and I'll talk to them about what's going on culturally.

782
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: I'll just make up a random story about something that

783
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: happened to me, and I'll see how they respond to it.

784
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: When I'm with women, I'll say like a risky joke

785
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: to see how they respond, and I can see she

786
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: won't sing that in the song if I say something

787
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: a little risky, never never inappropriate ever, you know. But

788
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: I'll say something a little risky, and if she like

789
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: is prudish, I'll be like, all, she ain't gonna say

790
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: that in the song. And but if she laughs and

791
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: goes on, all right, I could play with this. Even

792
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: if it's an artist who is presenting themselves as a

793
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: bit more prudish, I'll say, you know, she got some

794
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: freaking her. I know I'm gonna say this little thing,

795
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: and shit, it's gonna appeal to her because I so.

796
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: What I don't like is tell me what you want

797
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: to sing about. Uh, because you're gonna tell me what

798
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: you think you are. It's like when when you dated somebody,

799
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: Exactly when I'm dating the person, I would never ask

800
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: them to tell me about yourself. I don't want to

801
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: talk about it. Let's talk about everything else. I'll figure

802
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: out who you are based on how you start talk

803
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: about it. And I think as a songwriter, that's my

804
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: superpower is psychology. Like I'm to sit down and break

805
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: it down.

806
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 5: Ways I've done it the way he's saying it, Like

807
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 5: when we got in with Demmy Levado. She specifically wanted

808
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 5: to write a song about her father, and then when

809
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 5: we started picking at her because she was the good

810
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 5: girl image Disney like I don't do anything wrong, then

811
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 5: the freak came out and we ended up writing a

812
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 5: freaky song for her just from talking to her with Timbaland.

813
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 4: So it does depend.

814
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 5: But I agree with you if you like go in

815
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 5: the lens of them and you just write from them.

816
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 5: You know, sometimes I just want to tell you, like,

817
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 5: oh my god, I'm going through it and they want

818
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 5: you to be their therapist for a second. And then

819
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 5: when they you listen and you just hear, then you

820
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 5: can take it and still make it your own from

821
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 5: their lens.

822
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 4: So I think you can do both.

823
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: But it's the same thing. It's just that I don't

824
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 1: want to ask them in that way, like I'll ask

825
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: them in a different way. So instead of me saying,

826
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: you tell me what you think about yourself, no, not

827
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: like that.

828
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 6: No no, No, what you're saying is they giving you.

829
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 6: They don't even know they're giving you the truth. Having

830
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 6: a regular I's ask you.

831
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: To be on guard. You're going to tell me subconsciously, yes,

832
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me what you think I need to do. Right,

833
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: But if we just had some shots you smoke a

834
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: jay and you just out there hanging out, you're gonna

835
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: slip up and say that because you're gonna be you.

836
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 6: The camera out on you, which is my eyes like you,

837
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 6: I'm talking to you. I'm not looking at you, but

838
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 6: I ask you who you are. You know I'm looking

839
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 6: at you exactly. You know what I'm saying.

840
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: Would say, He's the best way to look at a

841
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: person is and not look at him. I will tell

842
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: you too.

843
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 6: Like I think that, like this is a really good

844
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 6: platform because I don't think that people really understand.

845
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: They don't understand what we do.

846
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 6: They really don't, because it's like it's like a lot

847
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 6: of artists don't even a lot of the A and

848
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 6: rs don't know what we do. To be very honest,

849
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 6: because they don't understand. Like sometimes you know, like I

850
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 6: spent a lot of time talking to artists more so

851
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 6: than writing the song. I could write the song in

852
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 6: ten minutes because I could go sing the song. I'm

853
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 6: gonna just put a beat on and I'm gonna sing

854
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 6: the song. It's gonna come off my head. But the

855
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 6: information I'm gonna I might take two three hours and

856
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 6: talk to a person. They're like, well, what is he doing?

857
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 6: Why does it take it so long? And the whole

858
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 6: point is I'm getting all the data. I'm just taking data,

859
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 6: taking data taking that, I'm ask some questions that I

860
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 6: don't even I'm.

861
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: Asking them the worst way they love.

862
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 6: I'm asking them what broke their heart, what they hate,

863
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 6: what they you know, what they don't appreciate, what they appreciate.

864
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: You know. It's kind of like, you know, I don't

865
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: even talk about what they think, right I I asked them.

866
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: I asked them, like, let's say we all if we're

867
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: all in a safe space and let's say some famous

868
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: celebrities going through a breakup, and you know it's a

869
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: safe space. I'll talk about that. How you respond to

870
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: that's going to take me a We're all doing the

871
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: same thing. It's just about different ways. We all got

872
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: different Men like.

873
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 6: Papers like like us should you know that's my brother?

874
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: You know?

875
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 6: He ever We were talked about this a many times,

876
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 6: but he hated papers. He was like, yo, I'm not

877
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 6: I'm not doing that. And but I was like, so

878
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 6: he had already he had already had a record I

879
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 6: called Moving Mountains, and I was just like, well, damn,

880
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 6: you're going through the voice Like in my mind. I

881
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 6: didn't say this to him, but I was like, in

882
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 6: my mind, you're going through the divorce. And like, you know,

883
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 6: Usher spent his whole career like living in the world, right,

884
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 6: you know, being at the colleges, you know what I'm saying,

885
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 6: spend a time on college campuses, and he loved the girls,

886
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 6: and he grew up in front of us, like he

887
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 6: grew you know, he grew up in front of us,

888
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 6: so like he's a part of our life. So it's

889
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 6: not like he's a different type of artist. He's not

890
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 6: like one of those artists that like just pop up

891
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 6: and you like, oh, you know, like we grew up with.

892
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: Him, we knew him, you know what I'm saying. He

893
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: married somebody, he dated somebody, Like who the hell is that? Why? Why?

894
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: You know?

895
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 6: So to me, I was like, well, the perfect conversation

896
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 6: is like, well we noticed it's going left, so it's

897
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 6: better for you to jump in front of this conversation

898
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,959
Speaker 6: than the world, you know what I'm saying.

899
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: So that was where approach is a lot more direct,

900
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: and I think and I think that that's why in

901
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: making an album, there should be one main nucleus, right,

902
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: And I think that the like Jermaine was the main

903
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: nucleus Jermaine and then it was Jam and Lewis, they

904
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: were the nucleus and every other portion were the parts

905
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: that they don't approach. So if you even think about

906
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: not to be the dead horse, but when you go

907
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: back to yeah, when you go to papers or something

908
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: like that, you think about all of these songs the

909
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: opposite of what you would do, and because it's different,

910
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: it makes it stand out. And that's why I end

911
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: up being a number one record and coming out as

912
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: a single because all these other songs we're so close

913
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: to it as the nucleus. And even when we think

914
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: about how records are made, I stopped doing sessions with

915
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: artists when they want to book two days, right, I

916
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: just tell them it's listen. If you already got the

917
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: meat and potatoes and you need the record, then let

918
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: me just make the record, and if I have it,

919
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: I'll give you the record. Right. But if you haven't

920
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: created the meat and potatoes yet, then let me give

921
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: me two weeks, give me a month, let me let's

922
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: camp out. If you don't believe in my gift enough

923
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: to give me opportunity to create a nucles for this project,

924
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: then I don't want to work on it because it's

925
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: just it ultimately sometimes ends up being a waste of

926
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: your time. So the reason why I'm saying all this

927
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: is to say, once you have the nucleus, once you

928
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: have the soul of what the album is, there are

929
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: things that you will miss. It's no way that Jermaine

930
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: was gonna write yeah, you know what I mean, especially

931
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 1: because the album was in no way in that direction.

932
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: When you think about it. It's no other song on

933
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: an album like Yes, and even so much so when

934
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: they put the repackage, they had to have them right

935
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: red Light because they needed another song that felt like

936
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: that to be consistent with what was going on and

937
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: how big and massive that record is. But that's the dichotomy.

938
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: That's the most incredible part about Quincy Jones saying I'm

939
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: gonna do all of these songs and then I'm gonna

940
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: have Rod Tipperton come and do all this other stuff,

941
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: or the idea of the album feeling like this moody,

942
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: viby thing, and then saying let's shake it up because outside,

943
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: but right now you got a bunch of people submitting

944
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: songs and they're all competing to have the single. So

945
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: now you got a bunch of song to sound like

946
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: they could have been a single, but they really weren't

947
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: quite good enough instead of it being a real To me,

948
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: that's what's wrong with the game.

949
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 6: It's not really like it's you know, because some people

950
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 6: like it's like it's like the NBA. It's like, you know,

951
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 6: it's like okay, like the old heads hating on the

952
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 6: young heads, like hell ands like I want, like I

953
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 6: want the competition, like that's how we thrive. It's like

954
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 6: I want, I want to hear songs won't make me

955
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 6: want to go crazy and go go work, you know

956
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. But it's not that's not the case.

957
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 6: It's like because people don't understand, like you need the

958
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 6: an rs who understand what the nucleus should be.

959
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: You need these people to be able to say Chris.

960
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 6: It's like I really feel like if we really did

961
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 6: if Chris just said, you know what, I'm gonna call

962
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 6: the super Friends and we're really gonna do yeah, a

963
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 6: super It's like I'm so mad, like.

964
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: That's that's why I want to bad. I want to

965
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: ask you all this question, and all y'all can answer this.

966
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 6: Which artists do y'all think in this time, in this

967
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 6: day and time that they had that It could be

968
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 6: Chris Can had the biggest album, but Chris Chris been

969
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 6: around on saying like like somebody that never even had

970
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 6: that moments like Chris had. But you know that this

971
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 6: one of those artists that can be that if he

972
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 6: had that, you know what I'm saying, if he had

973
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 6: that Camaraberie, if he had them.

974
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: Real honey, who Kaylanie? I think Kaylanie could be Beyonce

975
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: levels talent successful if it was. But I think that

976
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: sometimes obviously she did a great job co writing Unfolded,

977
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: but I think that sometimes people have a difficult time

978
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: relinquishing the reins and if we want, like you kind

979
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: of you kind of gotta let some other people drive

980
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: the car sometimes and not saying she's she's gonna have

981
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: an amazing career, She's already had an amazing career. So

982
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: and I know how you know, everybody is a little

983
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: bit more brittle. It's a lot of brittle spirits now,

984
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: so I think hearing that might be offensive. If we

985
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: could be honest, if I want, I want to be

986
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: completely honest, I would say that I look at an

987
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: artist like that, and I would say, as far as

988
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,479
Speaker 1: body of work, like a classic Timeless, Dangerously in Love

989
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: Sasha Fears, I think that it's very it's great potential

990
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: for Kaylani Anti type of album. I think that she

991
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: has all the potential in the world. I said, I

992
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: don't even know who that is. Pick up your close Yeah. Well, well,

993
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this vocally. Vocally, I'm gonna say this vocally,

994
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: she's dynamic and as a star. No, no, but listen,

995
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: as a start, if she walked into this room right now,

996
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: if she walked into this room right now and nobody

997
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,479
Speaker 1: knew her, everybody would look at her. She's a star.

998
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: She's special. She's one of those she's one of those things. Now,

999
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: she's made a career off her mystique, off the fact

1000
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: that she doesn't have a bunch of mainstream success. She

1001
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: does have a cult following. She did do Arena tour

1002
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: without a huge, massive hit. Right now, imagine if after

1003
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: fold it came she had a ring the Alarmed Sweet Dreams, Uh,

1004
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 1: you know, get me, like, imagine that that and that's

1005
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. This is my breath opportunity to create

1006
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: a body of work like that. That's, by the way,

1007
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: that's an amazing question. Nobody's ever asked that. And I

1008
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: think that that's something that a discussion that we all

1009
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: as songwriters have behind the scenes is like, man, if

1010
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: I could just get my hands on this artist and

1011
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: spend some time, I know what could be. And I

1012
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: think that we're in a time where artists are making

1013
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: more money. Now, they're making so much money. How do

1014
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: I tell artists exactly? How do you tell the artists

1015
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: who just got off the road and made they're not

1016
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: making more money.

1017
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 6: And no, no, I'm trying to this question, trying to

1018
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 6: these questions.

1019
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: I know, but they don't. They don't know. They don't

1020
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: know what say money and they know what they I

1021
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: just told you the whole point, the whole.

1022
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 6: Point is listen, this is the need to be sad

1023
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 6: because people don't know. Like that's the whole point.

1024
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: It's not.

1025
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 6: It's like, I gotta tell you this, and I want

1026
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 6: you to tell me that. The point of the matter is,

1027
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 6: bro they don't know, Like these people keep on acting

1028
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 6: like they fucking know.

1029
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: Listen, listen, listen say this. People keep talking about making money.

1030
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Everybody made money when you

1031
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: do it right.

1032
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 6: But let me tell you, bro, these people were making

1033
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 6: Chris Brown when he came out running.

1034
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: He was fifteen turning sixteen.

1035
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, his first tour, like like

1036
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 6: his first song with No One for eight weeks on

1037
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 6: the Hot one hundred, number one high one hundred. You

1038
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 6: know how much money it is.

1039
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 3: You think something you think some of that though, is

1040
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 3: like and I'm just speaking, this is my thoughts. You

1041
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 3: think some of that is maybe removing that cut because

1042
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 3: if I write it myself, did might be.

1043
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 6: We're getting every time Chris shows up, he getting paid

1044
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 6: off off top getting paid brow he getting paid. You

1045
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 6: just want to be a part of every everybody, And

1046
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 6: like people don't listen, you know what I'm saying. And

1047
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 6: then they don't. They don't, They just don't listen. They

1048
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 6: want to jump the gun. I'm not trying to be

1049
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 6: mister telling you everything.

1050
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this. I'm gonna tell you like this, right.

1051
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 6: But when I'm trying to tell somebody got nothing, I'm

1052
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 6: trying to tell you some ship hard. It's harder, it's

1053
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 6: harder to beat to put that same young shun hunger

1054
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 6: because you got money too. So I ain't gonna be

1055
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 6: chasing you'all nigas around, try to get y'all know hit.

1056
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something my first see people.

1057
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 6: Let me tell you about our community, right, I don't

1058
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 6: keep it a buck your success.

1059
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: Niggas hate on you. You know what I'm saying. But

1060
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: my first ten singles were Hot one hundred number one.

1061
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 6: Hey, stop all the bullshit like I'm dead, motherfucker serious.

1062
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: I got fifty two number one.

1063
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 6: Saying I got eighteen high one hundred number one is

1064
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 6: debt fucking serious. So you know, I've been trying to

1065
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 6: tell people what the fuck it is, but they be.

1066
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: More fucking mad what it is? I was like, why

1067
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: you mad at me to get some inflation? We don't

1068
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: want to hear all that? Cool?

1069
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 6: Okay, But but you ain't spending no facts though, because

1070
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 6: the fact is big facts.

1071
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: The facts.

1072
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 6: Is this a hot one hundred number one for one

1073
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 6: week on the Hot one hundreds?

1074
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: How much money is that bro? One week? One week?

1075
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: Six figures? Right? Six figures? No million? Million, for one

1076
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: week the artist pocket No No. One hundred songs. It's

1077
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: like the biggest everything that means a radio play, that

1078
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: means the spins, that ells, that means everything. One week

1079
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: is at least a million dollars. Yeah, it was number

1080
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: one for to You Got When You Got like a

1081
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: Bleeding Love, one of those type of you can get

1082
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: seven and a half million the song and makes seven

1083
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: a half eight million. Yeah. Yeah, So let me tell you.

1084
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: Let me tell you the perspective making no money. They're

1085
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: not making no money of these people, they're not. But

1086
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: let me show you something. And and this is why

1087
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: I empathize, is we don't know nothing about that.

1088
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 6: Listens, listen to this real quick, quick experience, real quick.

1089
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: We're telling them about here, we telling them. Let me

1090
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: show you something. Let me show you something I had.

1091
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: I had a conversation get hot one, don't get you

1092
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: a one. Listen, I had a conversation with you. I

1093
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: had a conversation with an artist before and I said,

1094
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: they just came off the road. I said, how much

1095
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: you made off the road? Because it's somebody I know.

1096
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: He said, I made about four and a half million

1097
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: three months on the road. That sounds incredible, that's great shows. Yeah,

1098
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: And I said, Rihanna get that in one night, right.

1099
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: The reason why she get that in one night is

1100
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: because her songs are just global. It just smashes. So

1101
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: what the reason why I empathize with the artists. I'm

1102
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: trying to see it both ways. I can't just expect

1103
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: them to know. If you had nothing and you made

1104
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: four and a half million dollars in three months, you're

1105
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: gonna feel good about yourself. It's gonna be difficult for

1106
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: me to tell you what you need to do. Yeah,

1107
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: me and you saying the same thing. So what I'm

1108
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: trying to tell, what I'm trying to explain to you,

1109
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: is that when you're trying to tell a person that

1110
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: they can go, exactly you try to explain to them

1111
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: that they can go on the point is going to

1112
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: be difficult for I wanted to tell my people. Listen,

1113
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: I understand, I understand all that ship you said you

1114
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: want to be like enough, Yes, bro, Exactly when you

1115
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: be mad at me if you told me, if if

1116
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: I told you, hey, bro, it was twenty million in there,

1117
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: you only got two. When you be pissed, especially when

1118
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: that two ran out, Hey, you was in there. You

1119
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and you ain't available. Yeah, man,

1120
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1121
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 3: The whole process man of like music creation, it's just

1122
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 3: a lot different. Like even going to the studio with

1123
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 3: young artists, like they aren't going to move no more

1124
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 3: to mic right by the engineer, they damn show and

1125
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 3: not writing nothing on no paper that that's unheard of.

1126
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 3: There's no pen, there's no paper, there's no nothing.

1127
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 6: That's just it's just different, like you don't have to

1128
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 6: have that, but it's crafting it. It's like it's like

1129
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 6: it's like your processes.

1130
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: I think. I think more so the creation of music

1131
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: is your Your process is less important than your ability

1132
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: to accept and hear other people you're in if you

1133
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: if you're saying to me that how you create the music,

1134
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 1: that's all subjective because I know some of the best

1135
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 1: songwriters in the world that take two weeks to write

1136
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: a song. At the end of the day, it don't

1137
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: matter how long it took you to write it. If

1138
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: it makes the deadline right, I don't care if you

1139
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: wrote it in ten minutes. And I've written some of

1140
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: my biggest records in ten five, ten minutes. But it

1141
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 1: don't matter because there's some songs that took two weeks

1142
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: that was bigger, you know what I mean.

1143
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 4: Because they wrote a record quick I've.

1144
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: Heard that makes it.

1145
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 4: I could write this in ten minutes. Okay, that doesn't

1146
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 4: mean it's going to.

1147
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: Be don't mean. And it don't mean if you took

1148
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: too month, if you took two months to write it,

1149
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: don't mean it's gonna be a hit. Regardless of the

1150
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: process is I know guys who write songs in two

1151
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: weeks they got biggest hits in anybody in the world.

1152
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: And I know guys who write songs in ten minutes

1153
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: who write I know some people don't even write songs.

1154
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:50,479
Speaker 1: They're just going there.

1155
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 6: They're just going there, and and the engineers just recording

1156
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 6: what they recording what they what they say. You know,

1157
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 6: like everybody got different techniques. But dis the point that

1158
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 6: I was wanting to make. So there's a takeaway, right

1159
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 6: The takeaway is, man, listen, once you've done something and

1160
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 6: you've scored and you've won, it's not about bragging. You're

1161
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 6: not bragging when you say it. It's actually letting people

1162
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 6: know that it's possible. I just try to let the

1163
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 6: younger people understand, Yo, you could really, Yo, this is

1164
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 6: real estate. This is not this is the more. This

1165
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 6: is more lucrative than buying houses straight up, straight up,

1166
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 6: there's not a house that can make a fifteen million

1167
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 6: dollar house. I could write one song and make thirty

1168
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 6: million dollars. Like I'm seriously right, one song, one song.

1169
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 6: I didn't spend no money to write the song. I

1170
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 6: made the song. The song is working for me and

1171
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 6: it's Mike. It's a part of my catalog for the

1172
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 6: rest of my life, facts and my kids' life. That's

1173
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 6: one song. You gotta explain that to these people. They

1174
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 6: can unders standing. This is not a joke. It's not

1175
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 6: like just going in Yo. You can go there and write,

1176
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 6: Hey man, I did ten songs tonight. Ten songs. Okay,

1177
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 6: I mean that's dope. But hopefully one of them songs

1178
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 6: end up becoming an evergreen, which is what he was

1179
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 6: talking about.

1180
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: Right.

1181
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 6: This is this is really like a hidden art like

1182
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 6: all those people that you see that's still doing Like

1183
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 6: what's my man that almost passed out last night, that

1184
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 6: was eighty years old. Well, let's take Billy Joe. Them

1185
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 6: songs that Billy Joe got, bro Yo, all of those songs.

1186
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 6: One of those songs is probably like worth forty or

1187
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 6: fifty million dollars worth. I'm not talking about he made

1188
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 6: fifty I'm talking about this worth it a lot of

1189
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 6: people that made money out there. Shit yeah yeah, no,

1190
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 6: but it is still worth for it right now.

1191
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: You give it somewhere, it's still worth yeah yeah, And

1192
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: you get your even if you sell it, even if

1193
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: you do a loan against it, you still get it

1194
00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: back in thirty three years.

1195
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 4: And he's right. It is bigger than real estate.

1196
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 5: If you buy a house, you're right because it keeps

1197
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 5: money making money forever forever.

1198
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: People they don't, they don't have you pass it now,

1199
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: you can write it down thirty three years from now.

1200
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: You gotta By the way one streaming start touching monetizing

1201
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: most of the world. We're gonna really start streaming is

1202
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: only monetizing a small person in the world. The world

1203
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: is monetizing on streams. You get the biggest streams in

1204
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: the week.

1205
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 5: Literally, But it's because it's keeps, It keeps coming back

1206
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 5: and like recycles itself, like.

1207
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 6: Like like this ain't no, like this ain't street money

1208
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 6: we're talking about. I'm there serious, but I gotta be

1209
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 6: I gotta break it down.

1210
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: No, because this ain't hustle muney.

1211
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 6: No, seriously, this is white people. It's just that, and it.

1212
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 1: Keeps it coming.

1213
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know they licensed them, They licensed it out.

1214
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: You license it in film.

1215
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 6: You can put it in commercials like like yeah, right, commer, Okay,

1216
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 6: that's you performed at the super Bowl. You know how

1217
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 6: many songs? You know how many commercials that paid four million,

1218
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,439
Speaker 6: five million, six million, eight million for that one song

1219
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 6: in that commercial.

1220
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 4: I did the song twenty years ago exactly. Now that's

1221
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 4: a new check for him.

1222
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: Hey, let me ask you a song?

1223
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 6: So who would y'all pass it to?

1224
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: Like the young crew? You know what I'm saying, like

1225
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: young right, ain't listen. I'm not even I'm not being disrespectful.

1226
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: People got to listen. It's just like, hey.

1227
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 6: You think they're looking at it like man, old that

1228
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 6: niggas trying to tell the name. I don't know how

1229
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 6: the new you can look at me.

1230
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: They ain't.

1231
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 6: Oh you know what I'm saying, graceful now, shit, don't

1232
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 6: go like this no more. You know how your niggas

1233
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 6: don't like listen listen that that ship, that ship went

1234
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 6: out with it.

1235
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: That ship went out with good times. Bro, all that

1236
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: all that.

1237
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 6: Old niggas shit. Hey man, you better grow your ass up,

1238
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 6: because you really listen to listen to Oh we had

1239
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 6: to listen?

1240
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is that how you think we learned listen?

1241
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 6: I just said this, y'all use the same format, and

1242
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 6: can y'all use the same format that the niggas who

1243
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 6: y'all could have said, Oh, y'all woul using like this.

1244
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: Is how you do it? But we never said they

1245
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: was know what I'm saying the reason why we wouldn't

1246
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: we can't. I'm saying like basically, y'all didn't look at

1247
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: them like they was y'all coming to y'all looked at

1248
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: them like they was insightful for we looked at them

1249
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: like I can't believe that, y'all. Look, I can't believe

1250
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in front of l a read. That's how

1251
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: I can't believe that babyface is in my studio. Like

1252
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: that's how I felt. I didn't. I didn't look at

1253
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: it as like you know, and I think that, like

1254
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: I said, accessibility killed that. Once you start seeing a

1255
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: person anytime you want to see them, superstardom becomes average.

1256
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: Then the person coming up has a difficult time reverence

1257
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: giving reverence to somebody who's paved the way. You don't

1258
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: got a writer, you see what I got on? A

1259
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: ton of great new writers can walk around. Listen, listen,

1260
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: I didn't like what do you needs you? That's the name?

1261
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: Like she to me, she one of the hardest. I

1262
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: love it. I love her. I think she's like one.

1263
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: Of the you think, look man, okay, like for real,

1264
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 2: I love her, and I think it's I think it's

1265
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 2: a fun of song like I got.

1266
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: I gotta understand I got on the two people it

1267
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: is dope. I be real question, Like.

1268
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 6: Listen, if if they're gonna in basketball, basketball, they got

1269
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 6: to score?

1270
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: Dog is hard like I like, but listen, upstairs may

1271
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: be a stiff. I'm not upstairs. And the fire is

1272
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: a kid named Christian white Head that that's coming up.

1273
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: But I think he gonna be a young kid.

1274
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 6: No, bro, I really like, I really love these kids

1275
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 6: like I really love them, Like like if you I

1276
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 6: spent time with the kids, you know what I'm saying.

1277
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 6: It's just the fact that I be wanting them to

1278
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 6: have more success than us.

1279
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to it don't mean no sense. I

1280
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: got kids. You know what I'm saying.

1281
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 6: I want my kids to be better than me, but

1282
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 6: I want my damn kids to listen. You know what

1283
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 6: I'm saying, Like like, don't keep on coming to me tonight.

1284
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 6: You need some money, nigga, And I'm trying to put

1285
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 6: you in the game.

1286
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You supposed to score about this.

1287
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: You'd have been doing this shit for five years. You

1288
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: supposed to have got damn score by that.

1289
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 6: You need a hot one hundred number one like these folks,

1290
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 6: these supposed to be acting like, Oh, all he ever

1291
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Speaker 6: do is talk about is hot one hundred the ones.

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01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 6: That is the motherfucking purpose the rings. You need the

1293
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 6: rings and our people need to stop lying. You think

1294
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 6: we sell them too fast? Yeah, we be lying each

1295
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 6: other and selling. We hate listen, bro, niggas be hating

1296
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 6: and lying at the same time.

1297
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: But no hate. No. The fact they don't want to

1298
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: get the information up.

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01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 6: First of all, DN, they try to tell you you're

1300
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 6: not giving the information up.

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01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,959
Speaker 1: Hey, bro, why don't you help who you think is better?

1302
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: Ain't listening? You know what I'm saying.

1303
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 6: You either gotta go to school, goddamn study score on

1304
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 6: the motherfucker test. If you don't want to do that,

1305
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 6: you can't complain. You know what I'm saying, I ain't

1306
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 6: finna see it. Tell none of my people. Oh that's cool.

1307
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 6: That shit is not cool. Nigga go you gotta score,

1308
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. Chris Brown got a score.

1309
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: He got there.

1310
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 6: He of course all sitting down you think Chris don't

1311
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 6: want to do it. I'm bigger than Usher. Absolutely, that's

1312
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 6: the goal. Yeah, we ain't been doing this shit. A

1313
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 6: just out here doing this we I want to encourage

1314
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 6: people the same way I was encouraged.

1315
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: Like me, I was competing with him.

1316
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 6: Absolutely, JD competing, you know what I'm saying, Brian Michael

1317
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 6: Cox competing, Tricky, all them the dream Hell yeah, y'all sung.

1318
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 6: So you poked your chests out when you when you

1319
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 6: when you had that number one, when when you got

1320
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 6: the singer, like when you got a singer, did you.

1321
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: Wasn't no poking That motherfucker was smoking.

1322
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 6: I'm just saying like, because y'all was competing, so it's

1323
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 6: like you heard that ship like you know, the crazy

1324
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 6: they was killing me like they wasn't even sucking with me.

1325
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 6: None of these niggas get to listen. Listen, listen, it's

1326
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 6: not like you.

1327
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: But we all we all were in the shame. Yeah

1328
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: we listen. This is how it was. We all were

1329
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: in the shame community, right. So we was working at

1330
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: Red Zone. I was in one room, Dream was in

1331
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: another room. Sean was down the street at Hicco. You

1332
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It was like a community. We

1333
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: all would cross past esther. Dean used to sing my

1334
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: demos for me like we was all family. Sierra would

1335
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: come to the studio after she got out of school

1336
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: and we sing demos. Cary Hilson was in the group,

1337
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: called uh pretty, Ricky pretty, something like that. You went

1338
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: in the mix though, No, no, we always he was

1339
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:01,439
Speaker 1: in the mix.

1340
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 6: They will let me tell you we was all in

1341
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 6: the He's not going to tell that live.

1342
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: Let you.

1343
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 6: Listen, bro, I'm telling it from my lens, my lins

1344
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 6: because the kids out there.

1345
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you fucking bro, I'm not learning. We always figure

1346
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: out in the community, the community. Let me just say this.

1347
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: If I was in the community, I didn't know I

1348
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: was in the community.

1349
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 6: What I felt like outcast, Like I wouldn't I didn't

1350
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 6: I had just came from Germany.

1351
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: Bro Few you the hell yeah, So so maybe you

1352
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: didn't know, but.

1353
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 5: In our studios, don't want to say that they did.

1354
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 4: The only one.

1355
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: No, because she was the you know why, Because she

1356
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 1: was she was smart enough to say, let me sing

1357
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: the demo. She'll go in there and just them on. Hold.

1358
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this, man, let me take you. Listen, listen.

1359
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 6: No, it's not it's just it's from a different lens. Yeah,

1360
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. When you feel like you're outcast,

1361
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, and you're not in there,

1362
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 6: and you see these niggas hanging out all the time,

1363
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 6: and ship they're doing all kind of ship he he

1364
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 6: on stage the ship with us.

1365
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: Some man.

1366
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 6: We was up man, bro Bro, I was over there

1367
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 6: trying to figure my life out.

1368
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: So after, that's why you didn't like that song. Keep

1369
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: it breaking what We don't need that ship. We already

1370
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: got this man. I would mean the same way. Let's

1371
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: be let me tell you, let me tell let me

1372
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: tell you about me. Never, never, in the history, never

1373
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: in the history of me them, have I ever hated

1374
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: I was saying. It was hate. What I'm saying, I

1375
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: was wrong. We heard songs that we loved that I

1376
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: didn't do, and we heard something we didn't understand.

1377
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 6: If somebody saying, if you a man, if this is

1378
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 6: your last opportunity to catch you know what I'm saying,

1379
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 6: and a nigga say that ain't it?

1380
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: What are you doing that? He not. I'm not saying

1381
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: he was. Literally I understand.

1382
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 6: But on the end of the day, I'm gonna keep

1383
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 6: it rid, my man, what we need.

1384
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: But for we already got a classic. They already that's

1385
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: that's not what it was. Let me that's what it

1386
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: would have been. But let me tell you what it was,

1387
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: what it really was. I'm in the room by the way,

1388
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: you see me on stage with Usher. But when I

1389
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: left that stage, Usher went to the mansion. I went

1390
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: to the corner boys couch, you know what I mean.

1391
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: So so let's be clear. The re'st why I say

1392
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: we all in the same community because I showed up

1393
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: when it was time us just say come, Rico's time

1394
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: to do this today, right, But every other day I

1395
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: was at Red Zone in that back room with Pierre.

1396
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: But when you got called no, no, no, that's not the case.

1397
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: Because they would play me. They would play me another

1398
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: song and I would say that ship is fire. That's

1399
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: fight that I didn't do. It's just that I was.

1400
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: And the reason why I brought it up was to say,

1401
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: my ears weren't mature enough to understand if you would

1402
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: have made it, would you? I mean, I mean, I

1403
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: only only he wanted he won went off.

1404
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 6: Look, look, we got our own competition. We have our

1405
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 6: own competitive ship, That's what I'm saying. But y'all, but

1406
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 6: both of y'all did some great ship.

1407
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: That's what. It's amazing love.

1408
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 6: But but what I'm saying, and it is it is

1409
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 6: love because we've we've done a lot of a lot

1410
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 6: of work together.

1411
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: We you know, we got mad respect. Like I love,

1412
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: I love recording.

1413
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 6: But what I want to say, what I want to

1414
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 6: say though, is the real ship, because because this real

1415
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 6: ship is why we're here. Like we really worked that hard,

1416
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 6: We really competed that hard, like she had to. You know,

1417
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 6: she had to fight her way in this ship like

1418
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 6: the girls. The girls definitely.

1419
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 5: It was all about we have to work like one

1420
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 5: girl wrapper the doors start opening.

1421
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 4: It's the same thing songwriters.

1422
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 5: But I just didn't stop consistency, like both of y'all said,

1423
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 5: keeping it going, going up.

1424
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:20,439
Speaker 4: Every day, showing every day.

1425
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,439
Speaker 1: Everybody says, it's not about what you know, is about

1426
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: who you know. It's not it's nothing about.

1427
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 4: Who know you.

1428
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: They start recognizing you, you'd be consistent in those rooms

1429
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 1: and adding value. And it's about building.

1430
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 6: It's about building, Yeah, building that report and people respect

1431
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 6: your your your your art to your abilities.

1432
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: That's that's really what it is. It's like, this is sports.

1433
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 6: It's like if a person know you really don't, you

1434
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, they will be more likely to

1435
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 6: want to get in the studio with you. You know

1436
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. And then it's like then you build

1437
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 6: a relationship with them. But you know, you know, I

1438
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 6: just don't like the lot of the people no more. Man,

1439
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. It's just like these people

1440
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 6: be like, man, well how do I get on? And

1441
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 6: how do I stay on?

1442
01:07:59,240 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: Right?

1443
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 4: Everybody has their own journey though they asked those questions,

1444
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 4: but everybody's story is different.

1445
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 6: Well, everybody, before we get out there won't get everybody

1446
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 6: gonna start with you. Give everybody somebody who want to

1447
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 6: be in your seat right now, what would you tell them?

1448
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: They need to do, and there.

1449
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 4: Is a songwriter.

1450
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm just I do a lot.

1451
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 5: Okay, strictly songwriter, Okay, as a songwriter. I'm gonna tell

1452
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 5: you what a publisher told me. You know, I at

1453
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 5: one time I didn't have a publishing deal and I

1454
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 5: really really wanted one.

1455
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 4: When I finally was like, oh I want a publishing deal.

1456
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,839
Speaker 5: That's so cool, and we're like, write so many songs,

1457
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 5: Like I have a lot of songwriters who asked me,

1458
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 5: and they have like five songs and then out of ten,

1459
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 5: like we were talking about hits. Just because you think

1460
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 5: it's a hit out of ten songs, don't mean all

1461
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 5: ten of your songs are hits. And I say that

1462
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 5: even as me humbly, like just cause you think you're dope. No,

1463
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 5: I don't like that song, like how he just said.

1464
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 5: He was like, look, I ain't like that song at

1465
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 5: first or whatever, right, and then it grew on him.

1466
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 4: Now obviously that's a hit.

1467
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 5: No, no, no, But I do feel like my thing

1468
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 5: is keep writing, don't give up. And my mom teaches

1469
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 5: me the same thing. Sean was saying, like, you know,

1470
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 5: consistency and don't let nobody tell you nothing because your

1471
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 5: journey could be very different. You could be singing in

1472
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 5: the bathroom a hook of a song you wrote and

1473
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 5: freaking Taylor Swift is in the bathroom p. And two,

1474
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 5: and now you got the number one song on a

1475
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 5: Hot one hundred. You just never know, And so I

1476
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 5: just feel like it's best to keep writing, have like

1477
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 5: a lot of songs as many as you can, and

1478
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 5: don't give up because.

1479
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 4: Your situation may be different. Period.

1480
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 5: I just moved to Atlanta. I'm sitting here in big

1481
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 5: facts like you never know. So just don't give up,

1482
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,719
Speaker 5: stay focused, and if you really want to be a songwriter,

1483
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 5: keep writing because you're just gonna get better.

1484
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: I would say, study your craft and listen to all

1485
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 1: genmas and music. I've been able to be a student

1486
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: of all genres. You know, my favorite, one of my

1487
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: favorite songwriters is you know, Billy Joe, and I listened

1488
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 1: to Billy Joe, and I listen to John Brian, I

1489
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 1: listened to Rufus wain Wright, and I listen to Carly

1490
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: Seign and in Paul Simon, and you know, I don't

1491
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 1: I don't really limit myself in my ear, and I

1492
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: focus on being the greatest I think to be. You

1493
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: want to be I want to be the greatest, more

1494
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 1: than I ever wanted to be the richest. And once

1495
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: you focus on your art and your craft, and if

1496
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: you do something extremely well consistently in due time, you'll

1497
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: be discovered for well. I second both of what Lurc

1498
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: and Rico said.

1499
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 6: You know, I'm very very passionate about this art and

1500
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 6: this opportunity. You know, shut up to Cloud Davis, she

1501
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 6: passed yesterday. What do you used to always say is

1502
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 6: that you should be fortunate for opportunity. You know, I'm

1503
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 6: always excited about the opportunity, you know, opportunity to be there,

1504
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 6: opportunity to try, opportunity to have a chance. So you know,

1505
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 6: try your best to get as many opportunities as you

1506
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 6: possibly can.

1507
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 1: Get a shot.

1508
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 6: You know, when you get a chance to you know,

1509
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 6: here's some people that's doing something that you want to do.

1510
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 6: Really pay attention to it and think about it working,

1511
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 6: think about it happening. You know what I'm saying. And

1512
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 6: you know, I feel like, man, you know, we all

1513
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 6: grew up, we all from the same place, right, and

1514
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 6: I feel like the way we grew up, we was

1515
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 6: always encouraged in a different way of not necessarily it

1516
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 6: being optimistic. It's kind of like it can happen. But

1517
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, But I don't even look

1518
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 6: at it like that.

1519
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: Man.

1520
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,719
Speaker 6: I look at it like, man, this shit can definitely happen.

1521
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 6: And once it happened one time for me, I don't.

1522
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 6: I have this excitement that I don't know how to

1523
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 6: turn that shit off. It's like I don't know how

1524
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,759
Speaker 6: to tell people, Oh, it's possible. Shit is not just possible.

1525
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 6: This shit is incredible. It's like, yo, people out here,

1526
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 6: you know, try to show you how to you know,

1527
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 6: we're in the hustles on at this point. You know

1528
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, that's what people trying to show you

1529
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 6: how to buy real estate or invest your money in

1530
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 6: something this or that.

1531
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: This.

1532
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 6: Man, when you got the opportunity, it doesn't cost you

1533
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 6: anything to write a song, but you can. But the

1534
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 6: upside to make a hit song is it's life changing,

1535
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 6: right and and it just grows and it grows and

1536
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 6: it's growth. I swear this is the best secret. It's

1537
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 6: one of the best kept secrets. When you can if

1538
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 6: you can write a song and you can actually get

1539
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 6: your song published and get your song to actually be

1540
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 6: promoted by someone. I mean, it's it pays off and

1541
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 6: and and dividends that I can't really explain.

1542
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, I got an album coming out June

1543
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,560
Speaker 1: twenty sixth this Friday, called ninety seven Bad Boys. So

1544
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: that published the work ship you wrote. I know you

1545
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 1: wrote out your features on them. You know what. I

1546
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: put a Q Parker from one twelve on it. Album's

1547
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 1: called ninety seven Bad Bays. Sooping this stuff. You know,

1548
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: just when I fell in love with music was in

1549
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: ninety seven. I was fifteen years old. I knew that's

1550
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,520
Speaker 1: what I wanted to be and that was the soundtrack.

1551
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: You know. No Way Out came out that Yeah, Life

1552
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: After Death came out that year. In Hall Them World

1553
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: Ice came out there. Yeah. So I think about that

1554
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: time and that era and that energy, and I put

1555
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 1: that in this album. So before we get out of here,

1556
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I shamelessly plugged that album.

1557
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 6: Let me ask you, let me tell you well, let

1558
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 6: me ask you something, well, let me throw somebody. I

1559
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 6: feel like the insight that all y'all have, man, y'all

1560
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 6: old it to the younger people that really won't want it,

1561
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,679
Speaker 6: not the people who got their mind made up because

1562
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 6: you've got some kids out here that don't know, Like

1563
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 6: you said, what kind of money could be made out

1564
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 6: this shit?

1565
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They just looking at it

1566
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 1: like I can, Cause this is.

1567
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 6: Gonna spark some somebody gonna watch this and be like, damn,

1568
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 6: you get that much off a song?

1569
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1570
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 6: I think we gotta do this more for what, get

1571
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 6: some get some younger kids up here that I think

1572
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 6: they got to figure it out. Let me make it down,

1573
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 6: bring y'all back. Yeah, I mean, I think the thing

1574
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 6: about us, uh, you know, as you can tell, like

1575
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 6: we all love what we do, and we all want

1576
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 6: to give back to to to our community.

1577
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: You know, we've been giving back.

1578
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 6: Part of giving your songs away is giving back to

1579
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 6: To be very honest with you, it's a way of

1580
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 6: making a living. But it's also you know, it's it's

1581
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 6: such a like he does seminars, we go to camps,

1582
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 6: We do all kinds of things.

1583
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We just don't really talk

1584
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 1: about them much, but you know I would love to.

1585
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 6: We want to be a part of that too, yeah, man,

1586
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 6: Like we would love to because this is this is

1587
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 6: really like the Big Fact Songwriting Retreat and everybody do it.

1588
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,719
Speaker 1: We can do a full weekend out here in Atlanta.

1589
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 1: We book out a bunch of rooms. We'll have playbacks

1590
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the week. I do something called

1591
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: that We Love Music Conference, but I'm always about collaborations,

1592
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't even make it about me. I think

1593
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 1: it'll be dope to use this platform and we speak

1594
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: a full weekend. We do it. We do a town

1595
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: hall with a bunch of artists, a bunch of producers,

1596
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: and then we had the executives come and sit in

1597
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: front and we put them on the hot seat and

1598
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 1: say this is what's happening. And then we spend the

1599
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: rest of the days creating, doing camps, doing workshops, communicating

1600
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: our processes with each other, then speaking back to us

1601
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: and how they see and view the World's be an

1602
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: incredible weekend. Big Facts weekends do it. Yeah, I think

1603
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: that's important too, because the are using.

1604
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 4: Don't make it all got the girl.

1605
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 6: Really really amazing female writers out here. You know, you

1606
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, like.

1607
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 5: Anderson and then yes, we got it.

1608
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 4: I give it up.

1609
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 5: I'm mad hater, Like I'll say when somebody is dope

1610
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 5: and there are something shout out to ink I love her,

1611
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 5: Like there's some really dope male and female songwriters.

1612
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 1: That's the gene.

1613
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 6: It's like my favorite female. But she's been she she

1614
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 6: kind of came out with us. I think think the

1615
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 6: other thing too, I was gonna tell the audience is

1616
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 6: that people it's not just writing a song though, you

1617
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. It's like, you know, if you

1618
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 6: can sing, it's a good thing. You know, being able

1619
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 6: to sing is a really good thing. If you don't

1620
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 6: know how to sing, then one way of presenting your

1621
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 6: records is to if you write a song and you

1622
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 6: get a person that can demo the song, would be

1623
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 6: a great way to present your song because I think

1624
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 6: a lot of times some people think the idea of

1625
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,600
Speaker 6: just writing is just actually writing down lyrics on a

1626
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 6: you know, on paper, but it's actually presenting because what

1627
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 6: we have to do is actually perform the song, create

1628
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 6: the song, perform the song, and present the song. So

1629
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 6: we don't just go and say, hey, I gotta hit

1630
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,719
Speaker 6: song for you. We actually present the song. They play

1631
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 6: the song, the and arts to play the song or

1632
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 6: the artists to play the song, and they end up

1633
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 6: loving the song.

1634
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: That's why we got a solution. People like Clive Davis

1635
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: who rest in peace, Clive who gave me my first

1636
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: record deal. But Clive such an ear that Diane Warman,

1637
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: who cannot sing, would sit down at the piano and sing,

1638
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: you know, you know, unbreak my Heart, and Clive would

1639
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: be able to hear past her vocal. She wasn't a

1640
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: great She isn't a great singer. So I think that

1641
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: we got to start paying on it and start developing

1642
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,560
Speaker 1: younger A and rs who understand how to really understand

1643
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: how these songs are crafted. And I think it should

1644
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: be a rule. I think that if you don't know

1645
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: the components to a great song, you shouldn't be able

1646
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: to an R record. And I think that what's happening

1647
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 1: now is becoming like where influencers. If you got a

1648
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 1: hand in on the culture, you become an R as

1649
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: opposed to somebody who understands. And not saying that the

1650
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:43,759
Speaker 1: person doesn't have an ear, but I think they should

1651
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 1: learn how a record is crafted before they get the gig.

1652
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 1: And that's what I was trying to say to you.

1653
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 6: It wasn't that I was trying to you know, I

1654
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 6: was really just trying to be honest to say some people,

1655
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 6: if I could be honest, they're not qualified to have

1656
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 6: another person's life in their hands. You know, you got

1657
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 6: people out here, man that's struggling, trying to survive, trying

1658
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 6: to take care of their kids, or trying to take

1659
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 6: care of their family, and this is all they got.

1660
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 6: And they got a record deal. You know what I'm saying.

1661
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 6: Then you got an arn R. That's playing with your life,

1662
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. They don't really understand the

1663
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 6: components of how to make hit songs. You need a

1664
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 6: hit song to be able to one hit song you

1665
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 6: can be able to tour for the rest of your life.

1666
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 6: So you need to you need a shot. But to

1667
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 6: get a to get a record deal, opportunity and to

1668
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 6: miss on your album and then you get you know,

1669
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 6: you get shelved or you get dropped, I mean depression.

1670
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I mean that, you know.

1671
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 6: So I just don't like to play with you know,

1672
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 6: I don't like to play with people because it's real ship.

1673
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: You know, big facts ninety seven bad boy right now, now,

1674
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: get up real quick.

1675
01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 3: What's the what's the highest honor as a songwriter? Grammy plague,

1676
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 3: uh ask or being my award? What's the highest on of.

1677
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: Ya feel like hall of fame when it's all sitting done,

1678
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: I think that's the goal. Songwriter, hall of Fame, hall

1679
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 1: of fame. It's out the j D. You know what

1680
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, yeah, carry trick you just got Yeah,

1681
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:24,440
Speaker 1: it just got hard inducts.

1682
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:24,480
Speaker 4: Like the high.

1683
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1684
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 5: For me, I'm just I love it being my as

1685
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,520
Speaker 5: I love all the awards because it's still just appreciation,

1686
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 5: because this is an art This is a gift, you know,

1687
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 5: and it takes time out of our day to give,

1688
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 5: and it takes energy to give to the artists you know,

1689
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 5: and want them to love it, of course. So I

1690
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,600
Speaker 5: mean for me, I love all all the awards, all accolades.

1691
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, the money to Toronto he won, uh songwriter, Yeah,

1692
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 1: the Grammys. I don't want to say that. Yeah, and

1693
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: that was the first. He was the first one to

1694
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 1: get it in the first year. So I don't want

1695
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,839
Speaker 1: to say that that's that my my My mount Olympics

1696
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: is songwriter Hall of Fame. But I don't I would

1697
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 1: be remiss not to shout out him because he is

1698
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: his first year, the first first win. The awardran and.

1699
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 5: When I say I just want to take is humble

1700
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 5: on top of the like tront is like he deserves

1701
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 5: every bit't name him when we were naming songwriters because

1702
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 5: he's one of the ones.

1703
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: To him, you get him on, we need to get

1704
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 1: him in him.

1705
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 6: I will say this too, like you know, uh, people's personalities, uhh.

1706
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: I don't feel like everybody should.

1707
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 6: Be humble, to be honest, No, I'm serious because because everybody,

1708
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 6: everybody didn't have an easy, easy, easy role, right and

1709
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 6: and and and sometimes you got to be arrogant when

1710
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 6: you want to keep on surviving in this game, you know,

1711
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 6: because people acting like this ship is like this, this

1712
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,759
Speaker 6: is this ain't cut through this. It is if somebody

1713
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 6: takes you, either you getting that shot or he getting

1714
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 6: that shot, right, and if it comes down to you too,

1715
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 6: it's gonna be some aggressiveness going on.

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01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 6: So I don't like the lot to the people and

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01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 6: not like this is easy, this is easy competition.

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01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: It's not.

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Speaker 6: It's that's the reason why you have you know, they

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Speaker 6: just everybody smiles. Everybody act like it's cool. But this

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01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,719
Speaker 6: is for the money. Don't be smiling acting like it's cool.

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Speaker 6: You have a songwriter Beef. But that's for the next episode.

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Speaker 6: That's for part two.

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Speaker 1: Y'all appreciate y'all pulling up man.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was dope man, very information, informative, informatively.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, big shots out there, everybody for pulling up. Check

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Speaker 3: us out to a triple W dot Big fatspod dot com.

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Speaker 1: Salute.

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