Speaker 1: Yo, yo yo. What's up? Is Baron Davis aka the
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Speaker 1: a legend. His name is Baron Davis, Hey, bar Oatmeal
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I just want to give you
Speaker 2: props because I'm a basketball fanatic and you were one
Speaker 2: of my favorite players to ever watch. I remember when
Speaker 2: you got drafted by the Hornets, like watching like the
Speaker 2: early Hornets days. Man, you was like a fucking you
Speaker 2: were just like a shot of energy in the league,
Speaker 2: like on.
Speaker 1: Your size, could dunk on everybody. Like, man, you have
Speaker 1: to you know, you have to come in the league
Speaker 1: back then, like you have to make a name for yourself.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You coming in the league
Speaker 1: with you know, you got juggernauts. Still you got stop
Speaker 1: some malons, like because when you get drafted ninety ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's like, yeah, Penny was still around, uh.
Speaker 1: Everybody every day. It was just coming into his own.
Speaker 1: Steve Nash just was coming into his own. So it
Speaker 1: was like the the it was kind of before the
Speaker 1: wild point guard renaissance. Yeah, like midw I would say,
Speaker 1: we had a hell of a point guard renaissance. So
Speaker 1: my air is pretty you know well, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean especially I think that was the start because
Speaker 1: you were coming in while a lot of those guys
Speaker 1: like stocked In and the traditional point guard Mark Jackson
Speaker 1: were going out. Yeah, Mark Jackson was a post up
Speaker 1: point guard. Ros Strickland was to get to the whole
Speaker 1: type of point guard. So they was all k was there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was in his prime.
Speaker 2: Now I still don't know because I hear people consider
Speaker 2: him like he's more of a shooting He was a
Speaker 2: guard on that team. Yeah, Eric Snow was the point guard. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was a scoring guard. I remember those battles man,
Speaker 2: you against that dude.
Speaker 1: He was sick. Yeah. Yo.
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to you because I feel like
Speaker 2: correct if I'm wrong. I remember seeing something when I
Speaker 2: was like younger, when you were in the league. Were
Speaker 2: you throwing up your neighborhood like ever on video, like
Speaker 2: when you were like making shots and shit? Because that
Speaker 2: never happened, okay, Because I wanted to ask you about
Speaker 2: how you feel about the job and ran shit because
Speaker 2: I was in the job rane kind of interesting, and
Speaker 2: you were obviously a young kid who came from a
Speaker 2: serious area of LA got drafted into the league.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you dealt with a lot of shit. I
Speaker 1: was just guilty by association. But I mean I don't
Speaker 1: I don't remember, you know, maybe off the court, but
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Like on the court, maybe I did.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you get hype, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like anything happened. But obviously you you know, we did
Speaker 1: a lot back then. You feel what I'm saying. It
Speaker 1: was a lot. We did a lot back then, and
Speaker 1: there was a lot of you know, if we had
Speaker 1: social media back then, everybody will be like have horrible
Speaker 1: Tarnus images, you know what I mean, because it was
Speaker 1: just you know, back in the day, like you could
Speaker 1: win no camera phones, so like whatever was cracking, you know,
Speaker 1: right then and there it was what was cracking, Like
Speaker 1: you have to have a video person, You have to
Speaker 1: tell somebody bring a camera, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Back then, So you know a lot of people was
Speaker 1: like not so much getting in trouble, like cause I
Speaker 1: don't think John Morett is in trouble, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like he did some you know, some stupid shit, right,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, like we've been doing like
Speaker 1: we've been doing stupid shit for the longest time, long time.
Speaker 1: You know, a microscope. Yeah, yeah, it's under a microscope.
Speaker 1: Because you know, I was saying to uh, just to
Speaker 1: my friends, Man, I'm you know, I cried on my
Speaker 1: twenty fifth birthday. I cried on my thirtieth birthday, and
Speaker 1: on my thirty fifth birthday, I was like, damn, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna actually live, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And so just thinking about, you know,
Speaker 1: that journey from the time I got drafted to the
Speaker 1: time I hit thirty was just it was just a
Speaker 1: lot coming back home, you know what I mean, having
Speaker 1: to deal with that, you know, being on the road
Speaker 1: people you know, just during the season, people think you
Speaker 1: SAWT say something to you. You know, you gotta go
Speaker 1: find him in off season and see if it's real,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like just wow, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And like I think, once I kind
Speaker 1: of got to go to the state, you know, things
Speaker 1: just start kind of like leveling out. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: let me change, let me change who I am, and like,
Speaker 1: I don't need to be this. This is not me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm not I'm not like,
Speaker 1: I'm not like this, you know, I want to be
Speaker 1: What do you have to prove? Like I didn't have shit?
Speaker 2: You're you know you're a millionaire on TV every day
Speaker 2: you ain't.
Speaker 1: At the same time, like, bro, I'm scared to die. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's real out here, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: they shoot at athletes out here back in the day, crazy, right,
Speaker 1: Remember Jalen Rose got shot at. Why are you shooting
Speaker 1: at Jalen Rose? Right? Who the fuck shoots at Jalen Rose?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And he was on Sunset,
Speaker 1: so that just you know, for me, it was just
Speaker 1: like that era was a lot of jacking, you know.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of pressure, extortion. You know, the
Speaker 1: NBA players are getting extorted, Paul Day, NBA players, rappers, uh, musicians,
Speaker 1: anybody came to LA. It was just not a good
Speaker 1: place to be, you know what I mean. Like if
Speaker 1: you got found or you was out shopping. It like
Speaker 1: if if you can stay low cool, but back then
Speaker 1: if you was, you was on the move and you
Speaker 1: get caught it. I mean, you at Thay mercy.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, because I always like, like, obviously
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff is highly back to the
Speaker 2: camera phones thing. We see a lot more of the
Speaker 2: people getting robbed on Sunset or on Melrose, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that kind of shit has always been happening in LA.
Speaker 2: But I feel like back in the day it was
Speaker 2: really like peak, you kind of had to come to
Speaker 2: LA and like if you were gonna move around, you
Speaker 2: really had to be in line with some guys to
Speaker 2: make sure that there wasn't any sort of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was the whole Like, uh, the tap
Speaker 1: In era, the tap In era, people's chains were getting
Speaker 1: took people. Yeah, you get the chain back, We got it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I got a couple of chains
Speaker 1: back from some for some uh some rappers actually no
Speaker 1: basketball players who changed, you get.
Speaker 2: We don't talk like that.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what labeled the I just know
Speaker 1: they one of my favorite, you know, one of my favorites. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of rappers, man, just that's just
Speaker 1: how it be, you know what I mean, Like couple
Speaker 1: rappers just like come to and you gotta think like
Speaker 1: coming up in that game era, the era with the game.
Speaker 1: When Game was first starting to like break out, like,
Speaker 1: it was no blood rappers. It wasn't no bloods famous period,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you really think outside of Mac ten, Yeah
Speaker 2: it was Mac ten and then and then the game,
Speaker 2: and then everybody was a blood.
Speaker 1: Everybody started being bloods, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: imagine like rocking with a blood that is on his
Speaker 1: way up, you know what I mean. In LA. So
Speaker 1: it was a lot to deal with with that.
Speaker 2: And he was the face of LA for like a decade.
Speaker 2: He carried the whole coast for like a very long.
Speaker 1: Shit and and I think it just kind of for me,
Speaker 1: like hanging with Game made me realize that, Okay, men,
Speaker 1: my plan was me and Game rocking together. I mean,
Speaker 1: he can unify the music, I can unify the hoop,
Speaker 1: and then we can create this l a unified system
Speaker 1: where like we can make it better for dudes, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we can stop all the
Speaker 1: jacket and shit like that. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like at least if they're fucking with us, they rolling
Speaker 1: with us, they ain't gonna get jacked, You don't gonna
Speaker 1: get robbed, ain't gonna get into no funny business, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And like that was the goal
Speaker 1: is really Like once I saw that, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: like Nip coming, Domn coming. You know. YG had had
Speaker 1: a couple of songs, but YG was on his what
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was a bunch of
Speaker 1: dudes just like on They Rise. And I was like, damn, dude, Kendrick,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Jay Rock was out, but
Speaker 1: Jay Rock was like on his wife. So like, I
Speaker 1: remember we did the Gang, the Cripson Bloods Gang documentary,
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I need to put a
Speaker 1: soundtrack together, and on the soundtrack it's all them dudes,
Speaker 1: like damn their first soundtrack, right, I remember album? How
Speaker 1: long ago was that documentary?
Speaker 3: I think I want to say twelve four. I think
Speaker 3: two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, Yeah, it was like two thousand and four
Speaker 1: or when I got to Yeah, it was like two
Speaker 1: thousand and four. I think I was in New Orleans
Speaker 1: when that came out.
Speaker 2: When you end up on the Clippers, being a guy
Speaker 2: who's from where you're from, playing in LA obviously not
Speaker 2: for the Lakers, but playing for the Clippers, sure, you
Speaker 2: guys have a very very entertaining team. But was it
Speaker 2: like how much of the like extra shit did you
Speaker 2: have to deal with it?
Speaker 1: Being home all of it? Uh, you know what, like
Speaker 1: being playing for the Clippers, Like and I never really
Speaker 1: talk about that shit because people always talk about Doun
Speaker 1: Levy or Donald Sterling, you know what I mean, But
Speaker 1: just playing for the Clippers. Like my mission when I
Speaker 1: left Golden State was like, all right, I know the
Speaker 1: Clippers are the Clippers. I'm coming back home to hopefully
Speaker 1: do what I did in Golden State. I told Golden State,
Speaker 1: give me three years, you know what I mean, with
Speaker 1: being the playoffs if we get the right people around,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, that's what I like,
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to do. So coming here it
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, if I can get the Clippers to
Speaker 1: the playoffs, if I can turn the Clippers around, then
Speaker 1: there'll be a whole different story, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: so historical, it would have been historical, and so like
Speaker 1: that was kind of like my mission. It was like
Speaker 1: I need to get through those first three years because
Speaker 1: the first three years is all bullshit, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. You gotta clean up, you know, all of
Speaker 1: just negative shit that be going around and you gotta
Speaker 1: protect your teammates, and then you gotta build your teammates
Speaker 1: to where they feel like they can walk in like
Speaker 1: we walking in the season and like it's just us,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And then it's us and
Speaker 1: the coaches and then everybody else. It's our family, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I think with the Clippers,
Speaker 1: it was just that's it was just hard, bro. That's
Speaker 1: it was just hard because it was a lot of racism, sexism, backstabbing,
Speaker 1: people telling lines, snitching and shit. And I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I thought we came to work to play basketball. So
Speaker 1: all of the Donald Sterling shit was very accurate, extremely
Speaker 1: extremely accurate, you know, I mean, besides him, you know,
Speaker 1: being like a piece of shit in the scum of
Speaker 1: the earth, Like he's actually that speaking of extorted, he
Speaker 1: got shopped down for real. Sure he got him on
Speaker 1: camera video. Yeah she did him dirty. But he deserved it.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, he deserves. He deserved way more than that, bro,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You desive a lot worse
Speaker 1: than that.
Speaker 2: It's crazy because I went from having this like like
Speaker 2: genuine like love for the Warriors growing up as a kid.
Speaker 2: They were kind of like that fun team to always watch.
Speaker 2: And then obviously the era of you, Michael Petrice, Barnes,
Speaker 2: Jay rich was such a dope era. But then fast
Speaker 2: forward to this whole lass like decade of basketball. I
Speaker 2: fucking cannot stand these Warrior fans now again, because they
Speaker 2: knew they're new.
Speaker 1: Listen. I lived in Tampa, Florida.
Speaker 2: I was doing rady on Tampa at the time when
Speaker 2: the Steph Curry and and and the lebron and shit
Speaker 2: was happening. And I'm in Tampa, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: there's just this influx of hardcore Warriors fans in the
Speaker 2: middle of Florida. And I'm like, where were y'all when
Speaker 2: Mitch Richmond was there, Chris Mullen, Yeah, Baron Davis. But
Speaker 2: it it's crazy because you have such like a place
Speaker 2: in Bay Area history, in Warrior history. What is it
Speaker 2: like for you to kind of you like, the Warriors
Speaker 2: are kind of like a forgotten franchise and I feel
Speaker 2: like you helped kind of re establish them on the map,
Speaker 2: but now they're like the franchise. Ye, what's that like
Speaker 2: to kind of just witness like.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, man, you know, I just consider myself the
Speaker 1: curse breaker. You are the curse breaker. I am definitely
Speaker 1: the cursebreaker. Uh. And I you know, I just kind
Speaker 1: of like I love watching the Warriors play. They played
Speaker 1: the right way. I'm a huge Steph Curry fan. I
Speaker 1: never forget saying to the Warriors, like when I signed
Speaker 1: with the Clippers, like y'all don't even like y'all gonna
Speaker 1: forget about me, like this kid is he's next, he's
Speaker 1: your future. And when they win the championship, I feel
Speaker 1: like I went to you know what I mean? Uh,
Speaker 1: And you know I was. I would say, just for
Speaker 1: us with that, we would leave squad and me in
Speaker 1: the Bay Area. It wasn't just on the court, it
Speaker 1: was off the court. Is being accessible to people in Oakland,
Speaker 1: San Francisco, in the hood, in corporate, in tech and
Speaker 1: so like, you know, the Bay Area to me is home.
Speaker 1: And that's hard to say before La, dude, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, But it's like I got I got
Speaker 1: real family, real real people who take care of me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Uh, in the Bay Area.
Speaker 1: So like whether I'm in LA or the Bay's, no,
Speaker 1: there's no difference, and there's definitely no hate. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying in between anymore. So you know, my
Speaker 1: goal was just when I went to Golden State was like, yo,
Speaker 1: like we got to establish ourselves as somebody, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like we can't just be like the
Speaker 1: dead corpse, you know what I mean that a Pacific Division.
Speaker 1: We got to have at least a style. So if
Speaker 1: we get beat, like whattherfucker's it's like, oh, good game,
Speaker 1: that's you know what I mean, Like I got game work. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But when when I got there, that shit was dead.
Speaker 1: It was you know, it was just like a lot
Speaker 1: of dead energy and dudes didn't even want to play basketball.
Speaker 1: So for me, it was like, how the fuck don't
Speaker 1: you want to play basketball? This is like how you
Speaker 1: relieve your stress, your mental health, all that shit, Like
Speaker 1: basketball was that. And so once we kind of like
Speaker 1: got to a point, I think the city was just
Speaker 1: like hold on, Like we got people who actually care
Speaker 1: because nobody liked before whether you wanted to be there
Speaker 1: or not, you didn't know because they just kept trading
Speaker 1: coaches and players in and out. You know, Don Nelson
Speaker 1: Mike Montgomery was the coach when I first got there,
Speaker 1: and then we had a little success at the end
Speaker 1: of the year, and then they brought him back, which
Speaker 1: was a bad move for the second year, and he
Speaker 1: started coaching you know what I mean, which is yeah,
Speaker 1: not probably something he can really do well, Ladies of
Speaker 1: good dude. And then Don Nelson came in after Mike Montgomery. Yeah. Crazy,
Speaker 1: and then we believe the year Dog it was crazy. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we sucked that year year. I mean, you
Speaker 1: guys are the eight seeds, you get the playoffs barely,
Speaker 1: like uh at all. At All Star Break, there was
Speaker 1: like we were the odd person out, kind of like
Speaker 1: the Lakers this year. They were the thirteen seed at
Speaker 1: the All Star That's exactly where we were. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we just hit a run, like
Speaker 1: we figured it out, you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2: Were you there the year that Steph got drafted or
Speaker 2: was that in the off season traded off season?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we missed the playoffs. I go to the Clippers.
Speaker 1: The Clippers have a bad year, the Warriors have a
Speaker 1: bad year. The Warriors draft Steph Curry. You know, Pick,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I'm a huge Stuns fan, and I have to ask
Speaker 2: you because you and this guy aren't necessarily tied together
Speaker 2: but you guys do have some kind of coincidential yet
Speaker 2: it's you and because obviously you leave the Clippers. He yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure, you leave the Hornets Chris Paul team. What's
Speaker 2: your relationship like with CP and is there I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: I have friends on the Suns, and I would say
Speaker 2: most of my friends are not.
Speaker 1: Too fond of Chris.
Speaker 2: What is your like does he get a bad rap
Speaker 2: amongst other NBA players? And how's your guys' relationship because
Speaker 2: you guys are kind of tied together with two friendchies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and crazy enough. I got all the love
Speaker 1: and respect for Chris Paul when Chris Paul was at
Speaker 1: Wake Forest. I called Chris Paul when I was in
Speaker 1: the league, like, yo, bro, I fox with you. I
Speaker 1: think his grandfather died. I was like, man, shouting you out,
Speaker 1: like you gonna you know what I mean, just like
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, we're brotherhood at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, for sure. So like me and Chris
Speaker 1: have always been linked like that. And so when I
Speaker 1: left Charlotte, New Orleans and he came in, I kind
Speaker 1: of figure like, all right, I'm gonna clean this ship
Speaker 1: up and then I'm gonna let Chris Paul. Then Chris
Speaker 1: Paul gonna come in and take it, you know, to
Speaker 1: another level. But you know, I just think as a player,
Speaker 1: like he's an incredible point guard, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think that's end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a rising guy. Feels like with like his teammates.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a big personality. I think when you look
Speaker 1: at him, you think, you know, CEO president, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Corporate Players Associations President of NBA players.
Speaker 1: So when you're looking at that, you know, at your
Speaker 1: leader out there on the floor, you know, like he
Speaker 1: he coming with a full corporate you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: corporate like he running it. He running that team away.
Speaker 1: He want to run a team. You feel very much
Speaker 1: a coach on the floor. Big guy. Yeah, he'll be
Speaker 1: a great He'll be an excellent coach, for sure. He
Speaker 1: will be an excellent coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like like you said, like he's he's very
Speaker 2: much he's running the team.
Speaker 1: He's just he he come in like his ship is
Speaker 1: corporate business.
Speaker 2: You've played for a lot of coaches and I do
Speaker 2: feel like that. We'll see certain teams like make a
Speaker 2: coaching change, and it's like day and night right, How
Speaker 2: important is coach like a coach like on an NBA team,
Speaker 2: Because a lot of times you'll hear, I guess, generic
Speaker 2: basketball fans, it's about it's in the players hands, like
Speaker 2: the players ain't performing.
Speaker 1: Man, No, it's it's you played for some bad coaches.
Speaker 1: You played for some great coaches. Play play for some
Speaker 1: terrible coaches. I played for some great coaches too. I
Speaker 1: played for some coaches that had we had one or
Speaker 1: two other pieces, they would have been Hall of Fame. Come.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Championship coaches, the team dynamic
Speaker 1: and the coach dynamic, Like you need a good coach.
Speaker 1: Good coaches are hard to come by. What determines a
Speaker 1: good coach? You know what I mean? A lot of
Speaker 1: coaches when they come into the business, they like they
Speaker 1: have established who they are, their style, what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: A lot of times coaches that are players separate themselves
Speaker 1: from the players today in order to be okay coaching. Then,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Seems like at times like if there's a guy who
Speaker 2: used to play, they kind.
Speaker 1: Of Mike, Hey, dude, Mike Dunlevy, he played in the league,
Speaker 1: and all he would talk about in reference is when
Speaker 1: he played, which was like in the fucking seventies. Gives
Speaker 1: a fuck, You're not like you're and you're a point guard.
Speaker 1: So like I used to always be like like, yeah,
Speaker 1: when I play, I said, coach, if you played in
Speaker 1: this Ara Bro sweater, guy, I elbow you in your face.
Speaker 1: I follow you to the locker room, elbow you again. Well,
Speaker 1: he wasn't a great He was not that great of coach.
Speaker 1: Mike Dunnet. He was tough. He wan't to get along.
Speaker 1: He he he was his son. Never on your guys team. No.
Speaker 1: I played with Mike Mike Jr. Mike Jr. Is dope.
Speaker 1: He was cool. I played with Mike Jr. And Golden State.
Speaker 1: He actually got he was the trade. He was the
Speaker 1: person that they traded to Indiana for stat Uh and
Speaker 1: Al Harrington. But like that's your crazy team.
Speaker 2: It was a it was a how much weed was
Speaker 2: getting passed around in that and those off off season
Speaker 2: when you guys were like, you know, how they move together?
Speaker 2: Everybody was one of the highest teams in the NBA.
Speaker 1: It was up.
Speaker 2: It was you had Al Harrington, Stephen John Well, he's
Speaker 2: got a week now.
Speaker 1: But it's all yeah, But he he based that off
Speaker 1: his grandma. And then Matt Barnes, Matt Barnes pothead. Oh
Speaker 1: my good, Stephen Jackson podhead. I'm smoking. I'm a smoker.
Speaker 1: I'm not a pot heead just I mean, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say that I'm a I'm a smoke, but I ain't
Speaker 1: no pot. You know. I guess now maybe how crazy.
Speaker 2: Was like the Bay Area night life scene in like
Speaker 2: not crazy, not crazy because it still wasn't crazy.
Speaker 1: It's not crazy, but it was up, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean when we was winning, it was up because.
Speaker 2: That was like right after like the hyph Era was
Speaker 2: like it was it was in the middle of it
Speaker 2: was almost it was Yeah, we were still getting Hyphie
Speaker 2: and ship.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, to kick the sneak we was running.
Speaker 1: We was running that up. Uh who else was we
Speaker 1: running out? Mister fab has federation. Federation that was old,
Speaker 1: that was older. Yeah, we was, Uh obviously forty is
Speaker 1: always forty. Forty was cool. Let me ask you. Forty
Speaker 1: wasn't around when we was forty was not? I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask forty wasn't around, Ron.
Speaker 2: Rolle, forty forty went, whether we believe you no, never
Speaker 2: we have to talk forty next time I see him
Speaker 2: and be like, you know, didd he said, you wasn't there, bro, No,
Speaker 2: he wasn't there.
Speaker 1: He went, No, he he showed up a couple of
Speaker 1: times and ship. But you gotta think like in that time,
Speaker 1: he forty was touring and traveling. True, he had to
Speaker 1: the joint ghetto report the ship with fab and all that.
Speaker 1: So for us, it was like shit, if he forty
Speaker 1: would have came to the game, it would have like
Speaker 1: we matched E forty. You feel what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: our energy match E forty. Like we we the ones
Speaker 1: who started telling the Warriors, ya, why we playing Bay
Speaker 1: Area music when we at home? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I remember, I'm only in town for the uh oh
Speaker 1: yeah mister yeah. Like we've been yeah life for the party.
Speaker 1: So we've been in layups and somebody lay up like this,
Speaker 1: everybody just start dancing and ship fuck the lambs. We
Speaker 1: just start grooving in the lawn. It was cool, man.
Speaker 1: We had a We had a great fun team, and
Speaker 1: it matched the personality of the city, of the city
Speaker 1: of the whole entire Bay you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Because it wasn't just like, oh, we was stugging out,
Speaker 1: smoking weed and ship like that. Like, no, we was
Speaker 1: doing a lot. Bro. I was like, I just start
Speaker 1: getting in tech. You know. Matt and Stacked, they were
Speaker 1: always in the city doing you know, dope charity work.
Speaker 1: Monte was doing. You know, was a young young boy
Speaker 1: and he was a young he was a young dog.
Speaker 1: He was a young dog. Jack Rich had been there
Speaker 1: for five six, seven years doing everything. Rich is a beast.
Speaker 1: He gave the Sons a couple of great years. Man,
Speaker 1: Jay rich Man, when we when I when I got there,
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Speaker 1: because I was a little older in my career, was
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Speaker 1: and people got access when I'm playing, Yeah, I'm busy.
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Speaker 1: And like I was just happy that we make the
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Speaker 2: Have you ever gotten bipped in the Bay. Let's where
Speaker 2: they crack your window and take your shit.
Speaker 1: Na uh uh you know that's the thing in the
Speaker 1: bay maybe bipping. It's called bipsitty Oh is it? I
Speaker 1: know that?
Speaker 2: So like now if you go to the Bay and
Speaker 2: hein't got no car, I'm taking Like if you have
Speaker 2: a rental, they say, like anybody will tell you you
Speaker 2: roll your windows down and you pop your trunk open
Speaker 2: when you park. So that way, when you're going to
Speaker 2: your restaurant, you're going to the hotel or whatever, nippers will.
Speaker 1: Drive by and they've already been. It's been here.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, they won't even bother it because
Speaker 2: they'll know ain't nothing in there. The thing is is
Speaker 2: they'll crack your window even if they don't see anything.
Speaker 2: The windows getting cracked, no matter, just because it's an
Speaker 2: inconvenience state. Everybody to pop the trunk take everything in that.
Speaker 1: It's wild, super crazy ship.
Speaker 2: Yo, talk to me about the U c l A
Speaker 2: Days man, because uh, one of my best friends is
Speaker 2: a U c l A. Brewing and he was in
Speaker 2: college in a fraternity when you were playing, and he
Speaker 2: was just like so excited when I told him that
Speaker 2: you were going to be on the show. Uh, what
Speaker 2: was like the energy being because an LA kid at
Speaker 2: U c l A. Obviously that was crazy. You guys
Speaker 2: were really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We we had once again some problems my freshman year.
Speaker 1: Shae Cotton, they didn't let it he was supposed to
Speaker 1: come with us. Uh. And then Jelani and Chris they
Speaker 1: got caught up, you know, for smoking during like the
Speaker 1: first year or whatnot. And so we kind of played
Speaker 1: like everybody played out of position. My freshman year we
Speaker 1: started two point guards. Toby Pailey played like the three,
Speaker 1: Chris Johnson played the four, Jr. Henderson played the five.
Speaker 1: And so it was crazy because we had all the talent.
Speaker 1: If our if our team would have potentially came together,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and we could have sustained it.
Speaker 1: We had all the talent to go out and win it.
Speaker 1: So U c LA it's all about winning national championships
Speaker 1: for sure. So for me it was just like, man, like,
Speaker 1: I want to win the national championship, but I also
Speaker 1: want to like this bitch on fire, you know what,
Speaker 1: I mean, like let's send it up, you know, and
Speaker 1: so you know cross Is dunks all that, like we
Speaker 1: were there that like no matter what we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna create some entertainment, you know what I mean. Growing
Speaker 1: up watching U C l A basketball, it was always
Speaker 1: like they were always good, always highlights. So I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta go there and like I gotta make sure
Speaker 1: I get my highlights, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: they remember me. Yeah, it was more so like they
Speaker 1: have to remember me, Like I can't just be you know,
Speaker 1: a traditional point guard. They got good stats and make
Speaker 1: All Conference. Now I gotta do some ship where these
Speaker 1: people are gonna remember me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like USC has slowly taken over La?
Speaker 2: Absolutely no, I gotta ask you because they got they
Speaker 2: got they got James.
Speaker 1: If you don't, they're definitely taking over. I mean they've
Speaker 1: kind of had football front. I ain't even got football.
Speaker 2: We beat them, listen. Then Lincoln Riley's a hell of
Speaker 2: a coach.
Speaker 1: And you know it's a famous quote, it's just SC.
Speaker 1: It's just a SC. Don't worry about.
Speaker 4: It's so crazy to me because those two colleges, like if
Speaker 4: for people who don't know, Like if you were to
Speaker 4: just drive around USC, it's in South central, right, and
Speaker 4: then if you go to the other side of town,
Speaker 4: it's it's u C l A.
Speaker 1: It's like night and day. The vibes, the just the students,
Speaker 1: like the student flavor and energy is different. You know,
Speaker 1: like SC got like more of a downtown Like they
Speaker 1: more like downtown, so they got like a New York
Speaker 1: kind of vibe, you know what I mean, or like
Speaker 1: a I don't know, a downtown vibe. On the West side,
Speaker 1: people chilling, super laying out. You know, we're going to
Speaker 1: the beach. You know, people from s C. They not
Speaker 1: driving all the way to the you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: they not driving all the way to the beach. They're
Speaker 1: going to go trying to find a rooftop pool. Right.
Speaker 2: Talk to me about because I always do say that
Speaker 2: hip hop and basketball have always been so heavily aligned.
Speaker 1: They're parallel to each other.
Speaker 2: There's been a numerous artist outside of yourself that have
Speaker 2: had ventures in hip hop. I mean I remember growing
Speaker 2: up in Phoenix, s Mari Stodom.
Speaker 1: Had a label.
Speaker 2: Everybody growing Rollo had a label. I'm forgetting somebody he.
Speaker 1: Had a label. Do you remember the Best Kept Secrets? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: of course. Jason Kidd had a song. Jason Kidd, Brian
Speaker 1: Shaw had a song, had a video video. Sid had
Speaker 1: a video out. Great DJ. People don't great DJ. He
Speaker 1: can get down? Who else was on that album? I
Speaker 1: had it? I bought it. Yeah, I feel like I
Speaker 1: got to remember just being like what these guys are?
Speaker 1: You know? They was getting off to Dana Barrows. He
Speaker 1: had a song and a video. It was sick. But
Speaker 1: but that's what That's what I'm doing now. That's what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: You're obviously involved in in You've always had your hand
Speaker 2: in hip hop. I feel like even when you're in
Speaker 2: the league, you'd pop up in the game video or
Speaker 2: you would be, you know, around a lot of these guys.
Speaker 2: Since obviously ending your career, what has been because you've
Speaker 2: been involved in so much on the entertainment side, kind
Speaker 2: of give me a rundown on what's going on on
Speaker 2: the music side with you right now?
Speaker 1: Yesh I created this character bart Olmeal bart o'mill is
Speaker 1: the legend. The legend is bart Oldmeial. His tag get
Speaker 1: a ball. You know what I mean? You ain't gotta
Speaker 1: get one. You know, you can bring one if you
Speaker 1: have one. Uh. And so I just start thinking about, like, damn,
Speaker 1: my career over. I'm djaying, I want to get better
Speaker 1: as a DJ, start producing, start sampling, producing, doing all
Speaker 1: that shit. And then nobody would rap to my beats.
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, well I'll start riding
Speaker 1: and rapping, spin them all. Two beats can't be worse
Speaker 1: than Chris Webers. No, bro, I got heat. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying because Chris Webber had a beat on the No.
Speaker 1: He had like two beats on the NA were the
Speaker 1: worst songs. And I love Chris Webber.
Speaker 3: It's like Chris Webb, we got beats that NBA saw
Speaker 3: When NA says yes to that beat, it's because you're
Speaker 3: Chris Webber.
Speaker 1: It was a dope sample. He had a dope sample.
Speaker 1: No man, it was shot out the web. He took
Speaker 1: the sample from the from the Whiz on that on.
Speaker 3: That song with the NA song, the one song on
Speaker 3: hip hop is dad, uh was not it?
Speaker 1: Which wasn't for me? So so yeah, man, I'm producing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ain't nobody rapping to my ship? All the rappers around
Speaker 1: here they like, oh yeah, that's cool. You know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, send me, send me the record back. You know,
Speaker 1: it was Curtains Crickets really yeah, but I also feel
Speaker 1: like it was early too, and so I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep grinding. I I don't play basketball
Speaker 1: no more. So I go to the gym, go to
Speaker 1: the studio, and I started making a studio basketball because
Speaker 1: then I got a chance to write. So write a script.
Speaker 1: It one day I write a script, one day I
Speaker 1: write a short story, one day I write you know,
Speaker 1: just start making music and start writing. And so I
Speaker 1: started making music, start writing, and I wanted to create
Speaker 1: this character Bart Oatmeal that can speak and say whatever
Speaker 1: the hell he wanted to, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because Bart and Baron is that completely different. Bart says
Speaker 1: something that doesn't yeah, and Bart is yeah, Bart, Baron
Speaker 1: Davis created Bart Oldmeal. Bart Oatmeal is slowly not fucking
Speaker 1: with Baron Davis. Okay, that makes it?
Speaker 2: Would you say that the uphill battle for you is
Speaker 2: like because we know you as Baron Davis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So it's hard because.
Speaker 2: We I don't think we've really seen Damian Lewire's done
Speaker 2: a decent job recently of like you know.
Speaker 1: You can get down. Here's dumb, But.
Speaker 2: Is that the uphill battle for you? You would think
Speaker 2: it's it's like a benefit, but it's also kind of
Speaker 2: not see you as a as a legendary NBA player player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's what I you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. This is fun for me.
Speaker 1: You're doing it because you want to? Yeah, I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I'm like, you know, it's also like good
Speaker 1: mental therapy, you know what I mean. I went to
Speaker 1: I went to the art. Like it's like going into
Speaker 1: the arts allow me to be able to like kill
Speaker 1: a lot of that anxiety, you feel what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Or be able to sit and watch a game and
Speaker 1: not have anxiety about if I would it, should have
Speaker 1: did it? You know? Yeah, none of that, bro, It's
Speaker 1: just now I get to be around another community and
Speaker 1: build a community of like dope artists. Still funk with
Speaker 1: my NBA dudes, you know what I mean. Now they rapping,
Speaker 1: So it gives me reason again to be involved because
Speaker 1: I can produce, curate and then bring the NBA dudes
Speaker 1: and the rappers together for ballers.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, you are hell yeah, Okay, So I know
Speaker 2: a couple of guys that wrap it. You might not
Speaker 2: do you know Jared Jackson Junior raps J Yeah he's
Speaker 2: recorded here.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's hard trip j what up boy? He came.
Speaker 1: That's my dog, Dame dam It's called Miles Bridges. Miles Bridges,
Speaker 1: who is actually dope Dope, super dope bones, Highland Dope
Speaker 1: Bones Hyland raps. I mean Katie has a song from
Speaker 1: like twelve years ago. You got to bring the whole
Speaker 1: everybody together, man. Yeah, all the dudes just like Ola
Speaker 1: Depot he sing. Oh yeah, he could sing like Serge Ibaka.
Speaker 1: He got like kind of like a like an AfroB vibe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for people have Victor Olipo's don't Yeah, Victor oly Depot
Speaker 1: can sing for real for real? Uh? Who else? It's
Speaker 1: a couple other people. Uh. Kawhi he rapped, kaid I
Speaker 1: put it, he put a he put a compilation out,
Speaker 1: But Kawhi rap see I I yeah, I got, I got.
Speaker 1: I was in the studio.
Speaker 2: That hard because I have hard. I have a hard
Speaker 2: to me. I would I would only assume he had
Speaker 2: zero flow. No, he hard, bro, He's just like Monday. No, No,
Speaker 2: does he rap like he talks at this press conferences.
Speaker 1: No, I gotta hear this. No, It's it's crazy because
Speaker 1: you know, we all chilling in the studio and he's
Speaker 1: playing the ship and I'm like, man, who is that
Speaker 1: this motherfucker going? He was like, Yo, that's like good,
Speaker 1: that's he was like, hell yeah, wow, Like he dope.
Speaker 1: Her Derosan is dope. I don't doubt that. The man
Speaker 1: with a lot of dope rappers. The mar sounds like
Speaker 1: god damn two thousand, like he should have been out
Speaker 1: with in the game. Hell yeah, dumar hard damar. Who
Speaker 1: else lou Will is dope? Will's been dope. Yeah, shout
Speaker 1: to Will. My guy's got one of the greatest lives ever.
Speaker 1: Hey man, he friends. At the same time, he was
Speaker 1: dropping videos on World Starr and Ship the swag, all
Speaker 1: the swag. Terry Roseier is hard. Scary, Terry scary, Terry
Speaker 1: is hard. Yeah, it's a bunch of dudes. I've just
Speaker 1: been like DMN dudes, Darren Darren Waller. I think John
Speaker 1: Moran wants to be a rapper. I mean, you should
Speaker 1: him on something. I'm sure he can't. I'm sure he can.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he can. What would be everybody act like
Speaker 1: he going to jail or something. It's like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have free time. He gonna be honest. It's like, bro,
Speaker 1: he's not going to jail. He didn't commit a crime.
Speaker 1: There's no crime committed. Everybody in the world is like,
Speaker 1: damn John Moran going to jail, John Moran, like you
Speaker 1: about to do life. It's like, no, he's not, Bro,
Speaker 1: do commit a crime. I know, I think this hard.
Speaker 1: I think the whole thing is very overblown. I just
Speaker 1: think that, you know, once again, we go back to
Speaker 1: social media. You go back like think about this, right,
Speaker 1: every day you wake up your basketball content you get
Speaker 1: in from who social media?
Speaker 3: Steven A, Oh yeah steven A or skip skip yeah.
Speaker 1: Shannon Shark, JJ Reddick, Richard Jefferson. You feel what I'm saying, Like, man,
Speaker 1: who's credible? I mean, JJ Redick and Richard Man, if
Speaker 1: you don't knock it off, how could JJ? I mean?
Speaker 1: And I love JJ Wright, but here a great career, man, Listen,
Speaker 1: BRO hit a long career. So did Richard Jefferson. So
Speaker 1: yes career, they'd had a great career. But the what
Speaker 1: made JJ Redick like what made me kind of sour
Speaker 1: on JJ Redick is how he disrespected Jerry Wes. You
Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying, that was it. I'm gonna lead
Speaker 1: that at that, you know what I mean? Yeah, because
Speaker 1: JJ Reddick should never speak on Jerry West. You can't
Speaker 1: even sit at the same table, bro, if it's a
Speaker 1: big ass basketball banquet, you are not you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, You're not at the same table as Jerry West.
Speaker 1: Jerry was not even talking to you, bro. To be fair,
Speaker 1: though it ain't no to be fair. I think Jerry West,
Speaker 1: he said, Jerry West played with what plumbers? Right now?
Speaker 1: Go back to JJ Reddick clip and he said, man,
Speaker 1: I choose three hundred jumpers a day, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? I do my workouts was harder, bro. And
Speaker 1: you couldn't fix a car and go play basketball, JJ
Speaker 1: Reddick did all this just to be an NBA. You
Speaker 1: couldn't have been a mechanic and did that like so,
Speaker 1: you couldn't have played when there was mechanics, right. I don'
Speaker 1: want to hear that, you know what I mean. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't listen to that because you put all this
Speaker 1: work in to be average. He was a specialist. He
Speaker 1: was average right right right?
Speaker 2: He was not an All star. He was a he
Speaker 2: was an average bridge great role player.
Speaker 1: He was average. He's a good role player, he was
Speaker 1: average Jerry West the logo, right, So we like. The
Speaker 1: only thing I don't like is like a lot of
Speaker 1: time people just be saying shit for like clickbait or
Speaker 1: cloud or probably what they personally feel. But when you
Speaker 1: look at you know, I'm a historian, When you look
Speaker 1: at the game, it's like.
Speaker 2: You can't disrespect its rim damn near thirty something bird
Speaker 2: shoot better than you look at I look at the
Speaker 2: basketball convo kind of like the hip hop convo, right,
Speaker 2: because you can't say something you can't say you can't
Speaker 2: disrespect run DMC because when they when they started making
Speaker 2: hip hop, it was a different.
Speaker 1: Art form ever disrespected.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, like when we talk about the all
Speaker 2: time break list, right for guys liked even like rock Him,
Speaker 2: somehow gets like like slept on that because it's different
Speaker 2: hip hop.
Speaker 1: Dudes was talking shit about Tupac, you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They was talking shit and talking about Tupac couldn't rap,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: who's saying this, right? Yeah, No, that's fair. You know,
Speaker 1: that was my whole thing. Like, so like making up
Speaker 1: getting your media from like five people true Big Perk
Speaker 1: shout to Park shout out.
Speaker 2: Like sounds like he sounds like bun.
Speaker 3: Be and PIMC when he says when he says players.
Speaker 1: That sounds like U GK, Brog, Big Park V up
Speaker 1: there rapping.
Speaker 2: They ever did they ever try to like hit you
Speaker 2: to try to do something similar?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like, uh like I feel like audition Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just never auditioned. I did the T and T thing.
Speaker 1: That was cool, but it was uh, it was just
Speaker 1: what about a podcast? Would you do a podcast? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I feel like I should do it.
Speaker 2: You should, man, there's lots of money out there, and
Speaker 2: there's some shitty, shitty basketball players doing podcasts getting money.
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, there's some real role players out here,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's some real people that
Speaker 1: shouldn't be talking out here or shouldn't be talking about
Speaker 1: certain ship you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You mentioned something earlier that like doing music writing, being
Speaker 2: a creative now helps kind of you keep your mind
Speaker 2: off of maybe some of the what ifs of your
Speaker 2: NBA career. You were somebody whose career was filled with
Speaker 2: a lot of what ifs because you had a lot
Speaker 2: of injuries.
Speaker 1: Give me, like, how hard?
Speaker 2: Because I don't think we hear the side of like
Speaker 2: somebody like you who's an All Star, who I mean,
Speaker 2: at your peak, when you're healthy, can play with anybody
Speaker 2: in the league. When you have one of those careers
Speaker 2: where there's a lot of injuries, how much does that
Speaker 2: weigh on you mentally when you start like thinking too
Speaker 2: much about like damn, if I'd have been healthy or
Speaker 2: what if?
Speaker 1: For what could it? Would have? Should have? Like is
Speaker 1: that a hard thing to kind of a deterioration of
Speaker 1: the mind, right when you think about if I would have,
Speaker 1: should have, could have? And you can't do nothing else
Speaker 1: about it, you know what I mean. It's like I
Speaker 1: can't turn it around, you know, after I retire and
Speaker 1: be like, all right, I'm gonna go ahead and do
Speaker 1: all this shit, right, you know what I mean? It
Speaker 1: was just you have to accept life and what you
Speaker 1: thought your NBA career was gonna be, I supposed to
Speaker 1: what it actually is. And then you gotta learn to
Speaker 1: appreciate like there were better players than you that had
Speaker 1: shorter NBA careers, you know what I mean? There are
Speaker 1: sorrier players that have had illustrious careers. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. You made it food like who is cut
Speaker 1: like you? Who came from what you came from, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And then you should respect everybody
Speaker 1: who's played in this league from here to here, so
Speaker 1: everybody gets to respect and appreciation. And I think for me,
Speaker 1: it was like all right, now I can lead that
Speaker 1: shit right there, I'm done. I want to leave it there,
Speaker 1: and like I can't talk about like I can talk
Speaker 1: about it all day. If I would have should, I
Speaker 1: can talk about it. But if I start living in
Speaker 1: that erg my mind be I'm be thinking about that
Speaker 1: all the time. So me, I can never really be present,
Speaker 1: right and I can never really be half pride or
Speaker 1: the confidence, you know what I mean That I need
Speaker 1: to be present because I'm always thinking about some shit
Speaker 1: went wrong. I fucked up. I should have did this,
Speaker 1: or I should have did that, or what if I
Speaker 1: wouldn't got hurt, or if I wouldn't have got hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like yeah, if I wouldn't have got hurt, like
Speaker 1: it had been cracking, but I got hurt, And a
Speaker 1: part of like me being hurt was like I always
Speaker 1: played hurt, So it was never help your career. My
Speaker 1: whole career, I was never healthy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was like not one year, maybe one year or
Speaker 1: two that I kind of came into the season like
Speaker 1: I feel good, Yeah, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: other than that, it was always like I came in
Speaker 1: college with a just came off aca my fresh My
Speaker 1: first year in the league, I had torn carllage in
Speaker 1: my knee. I never got surgery. Second year in the league,
Speaker 1: still had that torn carlage, had a little minor surgery
Speaker 1: in the off season, played, came back played the second year.
Speaker 1: Third year, that's when my back start hurt, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like it was just just always we're dealing with it,
Speaker 2: but it was like I couldn't.
Speaker 1: It's like you be hurt. But then it's like dog
Speaker 1: and mine just starting like you can't be out there.
Speaker 1: You start feeling bad. You want to work harder, You
Speaker 1: can't work as hard as you want to get to
Speaker 1: overthink yourself into a place. Yeah, hell yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: It's not easy, you know what I mean. It's not easy,
Speaker 1: Like you know, waking up every day and like you know,
Speaker 1: thinking about can I do this again, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like Doe, they love me, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like, well.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: The one thing about you, Baron was I feel like
Speaker 2: anybody who was like a true basketball fan, like I
Speaker 2: really appreciated when you were playing because you were like
Speaker 2: I feel like you were kind of like like like
Speaker 2: who It's like kind of like fucking guy. You know,
Speaker 2: like a few guys like you, Like I remember I
Speaker 2: used to love watching stuff on Malberry Yo. That last
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Speaker 1: back to the interview. Because it was kind of like
Speaker 1: my locker was next to Jeremy Lynn's. Oh so it
Speaker 1: was cracking after those games next to the locker. It
Speaker 1: was No, it wasn't cracking. It was like, my locker
Speaker 1: is here, Jeremy Jeremy Lynn locker is here, and there's
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty media in the locker. I mean,
Speaker 1: not cracking. You have to leave. You have to get
Speaker 1: hey man, hold on, let me get my shit and
Speaker 1: let me go change in the in the regular bathroom,
Speaker 1: in the bathroom stall. Heyde Jeremy Lynn had the whole
Speaker 1: team changing in the fucking shower wherever we could. You
Speaker 1: couldn't be in that locker room. They have to move
Speaker 1: him from the locker room, and every interview he had
Speaker 1: was a press conference. Crazy. It was like one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty people every time he had to get interviewed.
Speaker 1: He couldn't do it in the locker room because it'd
Speaker 1: be too many people in the locker locker room. You
Speaker 1: couldn't change, you couldn't stretch, you couldn't do shit. So
Speaker 1: they have to like take him to another sport. D'Antoni
Speaker 1: coaching that team. D'Antoni was, Yeah, it's crazy because I
Speaker 1: think like me and D'Antoni used to call Jeremy Lynn
Speaker 1: angels in the outfield. I tell because I told that
Speaker 1: because I was Jeremy Lynn was there to like help
Speaker 1: me get back to planning. So I needed another week.
Speaker 1: And so that's how he wind up staying that week,
Speaker 1: playing against brook the Brooklyn Nets, and then going on
Speaker 1: his run. That's how he got his other ten day.
Speaker 1: Because I wasn't ready. My back was still fucked up,
Speaker 1: and if you would have been healthy, we might not
Speaker 1: ever would have never seen Jeremy Lynn. Crazy.
Speaker 2: There was like this thing because Mello was injured at
Speaker 2: the time, right, and went on that run.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I told Mellow. Mellow was carrying the team
Speaker 1: Mellow was carrying the team and he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: we were struggling. We was like losing by six, losing
Speaker 1: by four, and it was all due to we didn't
Speaker 1: have a point guard that went downhill because Mike Mike
Speaker 1: Bibby was on the team. Right was on the team,
Speaker 1: but Mike Bibby was Mike Bibby was towards the end
Speaker 1: of his career. Tony Douglass was a point guard, but
Speaker 1: not really a point guard. Aman Shumper was a rookie
Speaker 1: who was a shooting guard, not a point guard, play
Speaker 1: on that team. Yeah, so like j R. Smith on
Speaker 1: that second time, j R. Smith a rookie. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was my rookie year, but like his rookie year was
Speaker 1: uh the I feel like that was the year I
Speaker 1: got traded to go to State. Yep. I think it
Speaker 1: was yep. So you played with him for like a
Speaker 1: half a year. Yeah, but he's you know, Swiss used
Speaker 1: to live with me. Yeah, like he lived with his
Speaker 1: parents in New Orleans, but like you know, when he
Speaker 1: wanted to go out and hang out, like I'm spending
Speaker 1: night at bad house, We're gonna go to practice. So
Speaker 1: Swiss is like my little brother for life.
Speaker 2: I didn't say the mellow Jeremy Lynn thing. I remember
Speaker 2: the national narrative was like, uh, you know, how's mellow
Speaker 2: gonna play with Jeremy Lynn when he comes back from
Speaker 2: being healthy. Was there like any sort of like ever
Speaker 2: any tension in the locker room between that with that
Speaker 2: whole situation.
Speaker 1: Uh, there was some weird shit going on because obviously
Speaker 1: like we're riding the wave super wave and thelysanity wave
Speaker 1: is a mellow out. Remember he was injured when he
Speaker 1: when he went on that run. Yeah, yeah, he going
Speaker 1: to run. We went like five six in a row.
Speaker 1: Mellow come back. But when Mellow come back, Jeremy Lynn
Speaker 1: is the biggest star in the world. Fucking fuck New
Speaker 1: York in the world. Fuck New York the world, bro
Speaker 1: sure the world. He is the He has literally went
Speaker 1: from like nobody to the base of the NBA for sure.
Speaker 1: And you gotta remember, also, I feel like we are
Speaker 1: just transitioning out of the whole lockout, remember the lockout squeeze.
Speaker 1: So we about a year and a half or maybe
Speaker 1: two and a half years in so it's like the
Speaker 1: league is still needing a thing to happen. Man, when
Speaker 1: that thing happened. It was like Mellow came back and
Speaker 1: Jeremy Lynn was so big. He was bigger than Mellow
Speaker 1: media wise, and so it did create a little like
Speaker 1: this ship is not like we can't we can't live
Speaker 1: in sustainable or not. Yeah, Bro, we can't live in this,
Speaker 1: but like we should be living in it. But I
Speaker 1: think like it started to create like tension in the
Speaker 1: in in the way we played, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because it's still Mellow team. It's Mellow is still the dog, Mello,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Mellow is still our goal
Speaker 1: the team. Omari was on the team. Amari was injured
Speaker 1: and coming back. But remember it was Amari's team first
Speaker 1: first year had a rocking. When he had that first
Speaker 1: year with the next we had it rocking, he had
Speaker 1: it rock mother injury another I mean yeah, think about that,
Speaker 1: like like now, imagine Amaro Stottamayer, what if? Why Why
Speaker 1: would I sit here and be questioning myself crazy? You
Speaker 1: got people like you know, Amari Stot, Yeah, Brandon Roy,
Speaker 1: Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill.
Speaker 3: Grant Hill would have been probably been the top ten
Speaker 3: player ever, Sewan Livingston.
Speaker 1: Like Bro, we ain't even get to see the real
Speaker 1: Sean Living. I mean we saw it. We saw him
Speaker 1: a great career. I saw him have an incredible career,
Speaker 1: but you didn't see what could have been. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? But you can't live on that ship?
Speaker 2: Was Mike D'Antoni Because I'm a Suns fan, so obviously
Speaker 2: I have a place in my heart for him. How
Speaker 2: was he like to play with Was he.
Speaker 1: Doing the seven seconds or least ship with you guys?
Speaker 1: Mike D'Antoni was as a coach? Was cool? Yeah? No defense?
Speaker 1: Did God give a shit about defense? Is one talking
Speaker 1: about no defense? He wasn't talking about it talking about it?
Speaker 1: I ain't talking about no defense just seven seconds or
Speaker 1: les offense. No, it wasn't so much seven of seconds.
Speaker 1: It was just more so like he needed his point
Speaker 1: guard to go north south. Yep. And as talented as
Speaker 1: you were being able to go north south, his point
Speaker 1: guard was the most integral part of the of the
Speaker 1: offense because anytime point guard goes downhill, the whole lane,
Speaker 1: the whole defense. Yeah, because you got shooter, you got
Speaker 1: shooters surrounding.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then if the big man is setting a pit,
Speaker 1: you really playing two on two basketball. If they stay
Speaker 1: at home. So like, that's why Steve Nash was so good.
Speaker 1: You know, Chris Duhan had thirty one assists the Knicks.
Speaker 1: Duhan was a fucking I remember Havings and his system
Speaker 1: man and d'antoni's system. If you're point guard and you
Speaker 1: go north, That's why Jeremy Land was so successful because
Speaker 1: at the time he could penetrate that pain man. He
Speaker 1: just put his head down, drive right and go and
Speaker 1: he's not bad. He can make players at the rim,
Speaker 1: he can finish. He's a big your guard, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But if you go downhill, even if
Speaker 1: you get in trouble, somebody's open facts and so like
Speaker 1: that's kind of like the D'Antoni system. That's why I
Speaker 1: went to the Knicks, you know at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, because I was like, damn if I can
Speaker 1: get right, right, I can, I can Steve nast this ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, hell yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: just like I fuck my shit up. I came in
Speaker 1: and the Knicks not thinking I'll be able to walk again.
Speaker 1: Was Isaiah Thomas the GM at the time, it was
Speaker 1: Glenn Gronwall.
Speaker 2: Okay, shout out to Isaiah Thomas. Very scared that he's
Speaker 2: going to take over the Sun's GM position.
Speaker 1: We'll see, Oh, that'll be dope. I don't know would
Speaker 1: it be.
Speaker 3: We'll see that's real tight with Matt Ishbiel, So yeah,
Speaker 3: that'll be dope.
Speaker 1: I will see. I'm just liking. I'm like, I think
Speaker 1: James Jones is there now. Yeah, James is great. Yeah, James,
Speaker 1: James Jones is cool.
Speaker 2: Okay, give me quick, your favorite teammate you've ever played
Speaker 2: with and the best teammate skill wise you've ever played with.
Speaker 2: Your favorite and the best are two separate things.
Speaker 1: Person Yeah, I would have to say probably, Like, damn, dude,
Speaker 1: I got so many favorites. I hate doing that ship.
Speaker 2: Just give me, give me the first one that comes
Speaker 2: to mind without you know.
Speaker 1: Or give me a couple of mantel is. Elden Campbell.
Speaker 1: Eldon Campbell the o G big Homie. Eldon Campbell is
Speaker 1: the original and I need people to know this. He
Speaker 1: is the original big homie. There's nobody in the league
Speaker 1: that was calling they centered big homie outside of us.
Speaker 1: Eldon Campbell took the whole big home. Yeah, me and him.
Speaker 1: Dereck Coleman, Hell yeah, dude, we had some crazy people.
Speaker 1: Hey dude, we had Derek Comen used to bomb on me.
Speaker 3: Wow, hey man on the Nicks.
Speaker 1: The nicest, scariest you know what I mean? Big, I
Speaker 1: mean you could ever have. He's a very underrated power forward.
Speaker 1: He's super underrated. Yeah. Yeah, Brown was on that squad.
Speaker 1: Elvin Kimbell was the first big homie, So you know
Speaker 1: my big homie. That's fun. Yeah, okay, what about the
Speaker 1: best the best teammate I've probably ever played with. That's tough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I mean I played with Mellow with the Knicks,
Speaker 1: so I saw I wasn't like where I was, but
Speaker 1: he was doing some crazy ship Jamal Mashburn. You got
Speaker 1: to put him up there cold, You gotta put him
Speaker 1: up there. What about turing the Clippers run? Who was
Speaker 1: there's nobody Blake came but he was young, but nobody
Speaker 1: Yeah not not like well, when when Blake got drafted,
Speaker 1: he didn't play the first year. Yeah, he got hurt
Speaker 1: the first year and then he came back his rookie year.
Speaker 1: It was really his second year, his second year, but
Speaker 1: he got hurt his rookie year. I feel like I
Speaker 1: think he did too. Yeah, I feel like he got
Speaker 1: hurt the rookie year too. What was on your Clippers team,
Speaker 1: because I remember DeAndre were my rookies. Eric Blesso was
Speaker 1: my rookie. Eric Gordon was my rookie. Jesus, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Those are some guys. Yeah, those were my rookies. Who
Speaker 1: else was on the team. I can't remember. Craig Smith,
Speaker 1: Ryan out from here? Uh Eric go, Yeah, those are
Speaker 1: my rookies. Ryan Gomes was on that team. I believe
Speaker 1: Eric Gordon. We we you know, we had we had
Speaker 1: a cracking like when we when we had the black
Speaker 1: Ship and DeAndre er was your rookie too, was of
Speaker 1: a Suns fan.
Speaker 2: The Dark Ages is when the only jersey I could
Speaker 2: go buy at our team shops.
Speaker 1: Was Eric Eric Closets and the other point guard from
Speaker 1: Kentucky what was his name? He was really nice?
Speaker 2: Uh you about Tyler Tyler h Ednis, Tyler Short.
Speaker 1: I like that kid. All right.
Speaker 2: Last question, hardest player to defend that you had to
Speaker 2: play against.
Speaker 1: Hardest player to defend? Yeah, oh man, okay, let me
Speaker 1: tell you this unfair. I am a point guard six
Speaker 1: three maybe two fifteen two eighteen at the guard Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan or on the Wizards the Wizards, but which was
Speaker 1: still a the fifty point game. Wait, you were guarding
Speaker 1: Jordan when he didn't score them all. He scored like
Speaker 1: eight ten on me. Wow. So for people who don't
Speaker 1: know that, people, fucking that's up. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: this is where I think there's a Michael Jordan like
Speaker 1: Maketrix you can fall into because you watching him and
Speaker 1: he's scoring, and he's making this shit look easy and
Speaker 1: he's entertaining, and you, as the offense and the defense,
Speaker 1: you just fall asleep like admiring fall silence Jordan Hayes
Speaker 1: where you're just like, let's call it the timeout. Lee
Speaker 1: Naylor was guarding him in the beginning. Paul Silas called
Speaker 1: the time out. Man, what the fuck y'all doing? And
Speaker 1: everybody's sitting there like, you know, like, damn, dude, is
Speaker 1: Jordan got sixty points? Like man, y'all just watching this dude?
Speaker 1: Like we were literally like you're watching him like.
Speaker 3: Like damn, like go ahead, like you're not gonna help?
Speaker 1: Do U? G do you?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 1: Was ill? It was ill because you know then it
Speaker 1: was like all right, fuck it, I got him and
Speaker 1: he hit me with the fane and it's like, damn,
Speaker 1: I ain't getting no help. I'm looking around everybody looking
Speaker 1: at me, like John, that was some good defense. Well,
Speaker 1: I think people trying to like as a good defense.
Speaker 1: Jordan wasn't cold on the Wizards. He was cold. I
Speaker 1: watched all gave us a fifty piece show, went to
Speaker 1: the All Star Game, almost took him to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: We had beat them in Charlotte. I think I had thirty,
Speaker 1: Mass had twenty something, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: so the whole you know, Jordan gotta get his bounce back.
Speaker 1: Shit like that fifty points. That was the bounce That's
Speaker 1: what this shit. Yeah, man, he came out and here
Speaker 1: like sixteen in the first quarter. I seen, I was
Speaker 1: watching it. I was there. This is all this like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, he just got sixteen, Okay, shit, Damn
Speaker 1: he got twenty four at halftime. Damn he got foty
Speaker 1: in the third quarter. And you're just admiring it. No,
Speaker 1: by the time halftime come around, you're like, hey man,
Speaker 1: we can't let this move. Fucker get this guy.
Speaker 3: He's a lot older than this guy's like like, bro,
Speaker 3: you're doing everything.
Speaker 1: It's over. You're doing everything to stop him now it's ober.
Speaker 1: He heard him rip Hamilton Jaheedi White.
Speaker 2: It's like the most random like assortment of players on
Speaker 2: the Wizards.
Speaker 1: Man. It was like it's like he coming out of
Speaker 1: the game and it's like almost like you know, people
Speaker 1: just getting their flow getting shot and shit. Actually not like, man,
Speaker 1: this motherfucker got twenty four, Like and you playing hard,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, But it's still like the
Speaker 1: intensity of the game ain't picked up yet. Wow. And
Speaker 1: by the time you your intensity level pick up, like.
Speaker 2: He laughing at you at that point, What about the
Speaker 2: most underrated guy that you played against, Because there's a
Speaker 2: lot of players who don't get.
Speaker 1: Brandon Roy, Nick van Axell, Jason Terry uh uh, Damon Stottlemeyer,
Speaker 1: Michael Redd, Michael Red.
Speaker 2: When he was on the Bucks, Darren Williams Yes shot
Speaker 2: out to d will Jared Jack, assistant coach for the Suns. Well,
Speaker 2: I don't know if he is anymore, because you know.
Speaker 1: I just think that dude was highly underrated. I think
Speaker 1: he's going to Detroit. I think Tony Parker, I mean,
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. But like you don't talk, we don't
Speaker 1: talk enough. We talked more about Chris Paul than we
Speaker 1: do Tony Parker and Parker got the rings. To me,
Speaker 1: Parker top five point guard all time. Wow. I mean
Speaker 1: if you look at it, you know where he sit.
Speaker 1: You got him above CP all time, have to you
Speaker 1: got four titles. That's fair. I mean you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like if you if you're putting it like,
Speaker 1: you know, you got stock Thing, you got Magic, you
Speaker 1: got Isaiah, you got Steph stephte Steph is, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got Steph.
Speaker 2: I think you got Tony Parker. I put c P
Speaker 2: in the in that five spot. I think I just
Speaker 2: think Parker was blessed to play in that Spurs system.
Speaker 1: I think if you put Chris if you can't say that,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have won. If you put Chris on the Spurs,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't one. You don't think so, m M Nope,
Speaker 1: because Chris Paul play a different style. Like people, people
Speaker 1: don't appreciate Tony Parker.
Speaker 2: I agree that as a fan who had ripped out,
Speaker 2: you hate him, you hate him, had ripped out by
Speaker 2: the But I.
Speaker 1: Would say he's probably the most underrated person that people
Speaker 1: don't talk about. Yeah. I even think somehow Tim Duncan
Speaker 1: is like, don't Yeah for sure. I just hate watched him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you people, no emotion when he scored. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: can you can you get it together?
Speaker 2: He's just nonchalantly cooking us, sending us home every fucking playoffs.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Anyway, well, look, anything going on?
Speaker 2: Can you kind of give us a quick idea on
Speaker 2: what's going on the music side here?
Speaker 1: Bart oat Mill, you know down lo I am not
Speaker 1: I am at Bart Oatmeal, at Bart dot Oatmeal. You know.
Speaker 1: I've been working with some dope Uh producers, Mike and
Speaker 1: Keys shout out big shout out to Mike and Keys
Speaker 1: apaying the album. I got my young producers and the
Speaker 1: Sean and Ai with me. Uh got some stuff from
Speaker 1: no Id. Shout to no Idea. He's a legend, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And Uh I got a song
Speaker 1: with g Perico, Dom Kennedy, j Stone just keeping it.
Speaker 1: You know. Glasses, Damar Glasses is a legend. That's my dog.
Speaker 1: He was around Black Wall Street days, early Black Wall
Speaker 1: Street days. So I got a joint with mister fave
Speaker 1: Big Rich from the Bay Big Riches. He's man. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I brought Big Rich out of retirement. He's like man,
Speaker 1: You're gonna bring me out of retirement. So I just,
Speaker 1: uh ship like that. Man. I got a cool little
Speaker 1: album that's out right now, my brother the Big Scott
Speaker 1: and Slim Cutters La to La, and then I got
Speaker 1: my little Bartomill get a ball one that's on iTunes,
Speaker 1: and then I'm on shout out to Jay Worthy Rock Marciano.
Speaker 1: I'm on that project. I got two joints on that project.
Speaker 1: Jay Worthy shit though, yeah, hell yeah, he was like
Speaker 1: top three on the hip hop so much amazing. Just
Speaker 1: getting the ship off albums for sure. Yeah, getting the
Speaker 1: ship off. We got a tape coming together. Oh ship,
Speaker 1: we got a tape coming together. Uh who else? I
Speaker 1: gotta working on a tape with somebody else. We just
Speaker 1: said it was going to do a tape together. I know,
Speaker 1: me and g Perico got a tape coming out. Yeah
Speaker 1: we got we got some folks songs like that, but
Speaker 1: I'm looking to drop mine probably in the June.
Speaker 2: Did game ever try to like sign you to Black
Speaker 2: Wall Street back in the day, because everybody was on
Speaker 2: Black Wall Street.
Speaker 1: I was kind of like the executive, you know, I
Speaker 1: was kind of like the executive of black was on there.
Speaker 1: Everybody sat out the Jews. Uh Malone was Malone on
Speaker 1: what was his name? Life Life?
Speaker 2: That life was there, Black Wall Street was peaceful Ben Yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 1: Was Illis Yeah man ship the blast was. He was
Speaker 1: also on Death Roast was on Death ro and Black
Speaker 1: Walls Street. That's so wild, man. I appreciate your time. Man,
Speaker 1: thank you. Bro. I definitely I need to come to
Speaker 1: your spot. You gotta come through. Game three were cracking.
Speaker 1: We got to watch party Denver, Miami. So we got
Speaker 1: a Jimmy Butler gifting sweet for Game three and four.
Speaker 1: Come get some Jimmy Butler swag.
Speaker 3: Really, why not a Jokic gifting sweep because you know
Speaker 3: we're rocking with Jimmy Butler. That's the brand that I'm
Speaker 3: a huge when they pay, when they pay for the studio,
Speaker 3: and you know Nike, if somebody pay for the studio,
Speaker 3: we have a Joker's sweet.
Speaker 1: I hate watch Jokic. You're crazy.
Speaker 2: I hate, I hate, I hate watching him. It's over no, no, no,
Speaker 2: Like he's so good. He's so good that like I
Speaker 2: like Phoenix Suns when I'm a I'm a basketball fan,
Speaker 2: so I love I love to watch him. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it's like it's almost like I'm it's like.
Speaker 1: A hate watch. You like hating. Yeah, No, I can't
Speaker 1: hate on Jokic. I just can't do it.
Speaker 3: It's like you hate the fact that he's so good
Speaker 3: and he's shaped like me, and he's just like.
Speaker 1: So gifted.
Speaker 2: I'm just like this giant round mound of caucassidy is
Speaker 2: just out here cooking everybody for sure.
Speaker 1: Nothing he's got scraped up. He's bleeding out of both
Speaker 1: arms like bruising and ship. What the fuck? Hey, dude,
Speaker 1: he I'm so glad that they are on the national stage.
Speaker 1: Me too, because remember he is the back to back
Speaker 1: the MVP of the league, could easily be three times
Speaker 1: three times m v P. And I'm so glad he's
Speaker 1: on this stage now everybody. Now, everybody can shut up.
Speaker 1: Everyone's talking on Twitter. I'm like, you guys don't even know.
Speaker 1: You never you've never basketball. Yeah, you just see it.
Speaker 1: You see and reels and ship and you see stats
Speaker 1: and think like, oh, it ain't real. No, this dude
Speaker 1: is like he is. He is all time with his ship,
Speaker 1: all time. He has transcended with his ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's just shout out to him. Man,
Speaker 1: you know, shout out to Jimmy Buck too, because Jimmy
Speaker 1: Butler is another one that I say is underrated. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like you don't know, you
Speaker 1: don't like. It's not like, oh, there's like a style,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like Jimmy Butler coming to
Speaker 1: win and get.
Speaker 2: Out the mund I know I keep saying last thing,
Speaker 2: but promise you this is the last thing.
Speaker 1: I'm a Sons fan.
Speaker 2: I just want to get your quick take on the Sons,
Speaker 2: Katie Booker and our Frank Vogel coaching higher.
Speaker 1: What do you think? Man? Good? Higher? Bad? Higher? I
Speaker 1: like Frank Vogel Man. I liked him. You know.
Speaker 2: I'm always stay all over as as assistant. Kept Kevin
Speaker 2: Young on as as assistant. So we have the highest
Speaker 2: paid assistant staff. So well it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: That don't mean shit.
Speaker 2: Do you think listen, do you think we have a
Speaker 2: chance to get a ring with those two with those
Speaker 2: two guys?
Speaker 1: No? No, all right, well that's how we're gonna end
Speaker 1: up interview. I mean, you know, I love the Sons.
Speaker 1: I think that they have the talent. They're gonna trade
Speaker 1: Ayton and then Chris Paul is gonna go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: If they change Chris Paul and Ayton. It depends on
Speaker 1: what they get. But I don't think that that team
Speaker 1: right there, that team is Ayton. Is. The thing is
Speaker 1: they don't Phoenix, don't play no defense, Frank when you
Speaker 1: think of when you think about yeah, so if they
Speaker 1: start playing some defense, yeah, they may be all right there.
Speaker 2: It is all right, well, all right, Baron Davis, get
Speaker 2: the ball there it is.
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