1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stefan 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: Never Told You production of iHeartRadio and Yes, your eyes 3 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: Ears don't deceive you. It is a Saturday New Saturday 4 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: episode because we are doing a spoil Saturdays. It's been 5 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: a minute since we've done one. 6 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: It has been, it has been. 7 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: We have so many ideas for them, but it's yeah, 8 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: but we do have so many ideas for them. But 9 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: as I hinted at in our recent classic about Scream 10 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: five that we brought back today, we are talking about 11 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: Scream six now in New York. I say, heavy horror 12 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: movie franchise has to have the New York movie. They're 13 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: usually pretty, but this is a pretty good movie. So yes, 14 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: there will be spoilers for that because it came out 15 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, early twenty twenty three. I have 16 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: a fun I saw it in theaters. I took a 17 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: picture next to a huge ghost space. That's when Samantha 18 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: sent me the creepy voicemail. Yes, and I have one 19 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: of those cups. It has ghost face on it and 20 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: then it has like a little ghost face figurine. So 21 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: every time you take a sip there it is I 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: as I mentioned I had a really good time rewatching this. 23 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: I thought I was nervous, because, like I said, I 24 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: have this thing where I get nervous about engaging with 25 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: things I really like sometimes, and I think there's a 26 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: lot of reasons for that. But I had a really 27 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: fun time rewatching this. I rewatched it twice for this. 28 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: It's great. You can see our past episodes on screen five. 29 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: We did a whole episode on that one Scream Queens, 30 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: where it was kind of a trojan oors for me 31 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: to talk about Sidney Prescott. And then the recent episode 32 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: we did with Bridget about Scream and technology, which is 33 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: kind of what inspired this, and then the episode I 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: did with Lauren back when I was sort of co hostless. 35 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: Co hostlessness, that's not. 36 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: Right without a co host. Without a co host, you 37 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: could just say you were missing me. 38 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: I was missing I was waiting for Samantha, but yeah, 39 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: why didn't you believe her? Where we did play a 40 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: clip from Scream Too that I love so content warning, 41 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 1: we are going to talk about violence and murder. These 42 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: are slasher films, so that's what we're going to be 43 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: discussing a bit. I did find it funny that Amazon 44 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: lists this movie as erotic. That was one of the 45 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: like three genres that put it in. I was like, 46 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: what awesome If you haven't listen to the one in 47 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: Screen five. Look, I know I make everything about Star Wars, 48 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: but the creators and even some of the actors were 49 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: very clear that Scream five was about the fan backlash 50 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: to the Last Jedi and this one is a continuation 51 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: of that movie. And I was rewatching it and they 52 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: mentioned the Holidays specials. There's the part where the killer 53 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: from the last one, Richie, is on a screen and 54 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: he's just talking about like the stab movies, which are 55 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: kind of the meta version of the screen movies within 56 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: the screen movies, and he's like, well, I didn't see 57 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: the Holiday special I heard how bad it was and 58 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: all this stuff, and I was like, ah, but it 59 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: was a good awe. I'm very excited. I'm very excited. 60 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep a cool, cool head. 61 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: It's trying. 62 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, wow, let's talk about the plot. Stream six 63 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 1: is a twenty twenty three American slasher movie directed by 64 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: Matt Bettinelli, Olpen and Tyler Gillette or Chillette, written by 65 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: James Vanderbilt and Guy Busick, that picks up. Yeah, we're 66 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: screen five left off. I think it's a year later. 67 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: It stars Melissa Barrera, Jenna Ortega, Jasmine Savoy Brown, Mason Goodding, 68 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: a return from Hayden Pantier, as hinted at in the 69 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: Fifth One, Curtin Cox, with cameos by Samara Weaving and 70 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: Anthony Revelaurie. But there was somebody else that you told me. 71 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: You were like, oh, he's a boomer. Now, I can't 72 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: believe it. Who was that? 73 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: Samantha Dermitt Maroni I was talking about the fact that which, 74 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: by the way, I can't believe you didn't put him 75 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 3: on the list. What the hell, He's one of the 76 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: nain people in here. What are you doing so many things? 77 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: I'm very confused. But yeah, he was like a heart throb, 78 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: I guess at my young age. So he played in 79 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: many of different movies as the main male lead, and 80 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: he was the like the first time I ever saw 81 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:26,119 Speaker 3: him was in Julia Roberts my best friend's wedding, which 82 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 3: is huge, uh, And he was very iconic in my 83 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: best friend's wedding, and so growing up, he was just 84 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: that dude that you were like, oh, yeah, he's he's 85 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 3: very like. 86 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: Good looking but normal good looking. 87 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: He's kind of what I would imagine what we call 88 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 3: dadbod type of conversation where he's not beyond handsome. He's 89 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: not like Brad Pitt level of looks, but he's still 90 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 3: endearing and he becomes the male lead because of that level. 91 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: So to see him in this character was quite interesting. 92 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: To see him as the father character. So the boomer 93 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: older character hurt my feelings. Oh, there's a lot that 94 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: has hurt my feelings as of late. Please y'all miss 95 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 3: this entire conversation we had with as a staff meeting. 96 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 3: So executive producer Maya was on and she was referring 97 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: to a lot of the movies, specifically this and how 98 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: it was when she was really young, and I was like, 99 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 3: remember Gonna Sit in their Corner. That was a few 100 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 3: things that was said, and I was like, I think 101 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: you're purposely trying to hurt my feelings, and I feel 102 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: like in this movie was similar to that. But to 103 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 3: be fair, Maroney was is like sixty, I think, so 104 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: it's not beyond the realm, and I think my best friends, 105 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: I guess Julia Roberts is around that age. But because 106 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 3: when you're that young. Those people are the standard of 107 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 3: who you want to be, Like, that's who glamorous and 108 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: sexy and like, oh my goodness was so to see 109 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: him in this role was a real big flip. 110 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: That's interesting. I was thinking about this the other day 111 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: because I always love when an actor gets cast kind 112 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: of against type and then you as the viewer, is 113 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: used to seeing that person, especially in like a who 114 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: Done It type of way. Yeah, so you're like not 115 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: suspecting them because you're used to them in like this 116 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: other type of role. I don't know, I think that's interesting. 117 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: I think he's recently become more of like a nice 118 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: dad role. Oh okay, anyway, I think that's the more 119 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: and more I seen him. But again, this was an 120 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: interesting twist. 121 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: It was it was we will talk about that. So 122 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: this movie, it did make a lot of money. It 123 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: was very well received. They have of course, already greenlit 124 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: a sequel, and yeah, it begins one year after the 125 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: previous film, and that In that movie, Richie Kirsh and 126 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,239 Speaker 1: Amber Freeman were the killers, and they terrorized and murdered 127 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: people in the town of Woodsborough, which is where it 128 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: all kind of started, and a lot of them take place, 129 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: but they namely were after his sisters, Tara and Sam Carpenter, 130 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 1: and yes, their last name is Carpenter. So the new 131 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: ones aka starting with five are like I would say 132 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: that they're kind of like their own thing, like they're 133 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: restarting without ignoring the old ones at all. But if 134 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: the first one of this kind of like new reboot, 135 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: new requel, the fifth one mirrors the first scream, this 136 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: one mirror is the second scream. This is the college one. 137 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: You go off to college, because that's what happens. Tara 138 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: goes off to college, and Sam and the whole crew 139 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: follows her there. But every screen movie opens with kind 140 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: of a random kill, or it seems a random kill 141 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: at the time, and the lady you find out it 142 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: wasn't random, but okay, So it opens with associate Professor 143 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: Laura Crane, who specializes in horror and especially in slasher 144 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: And she's at a bar and she's waiting for her date, 145 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 1: a date she met online, and he's late. He calls 146 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: and lures her down a dark alley, claiming he's lost 147 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: and he's looking for her, and he murders her in 148 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: a ghost face outfit. And you know me as Vier 149 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: watching this, I'm like, whoa the killer already? 150 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 3: Right immediately, which, by the way, the woman that plays 151 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 3: a character is the main evil character from The Babysitter. 152 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 2: Yes, in the Netflix trilogy. 153 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: She's also often confused with Margaret Robbie, and she's in Uh. 154 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: These creators also did a movie called Already or Not 155 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, ready, the wedding movie there's too nu. Yes, 156 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: not that there's two movies, the Hide and Seek and 157 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: Ready or Not different, very different, but yeah, she is 158 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: in that anyway. Yeah, he murders her. It's revealed the 159 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: killer is a student of hers, and that he was 160 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: planning on killing the survivors of the Woodsboro like see 161 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: killings as they're called Samon Tara specifically. However, he gets 162 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: a call from another goho's face who pretty quickly kills him, 163 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: exclaiming who gives a about movies? 164 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 3: And he's the beginning of it is very much like 165 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: don't blame the movies for death and essentially what y'all 166 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 3: you and uh talking about. 167 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: But it was immediately like, oh, this is which they 168 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: said very clearly, the creators of this, but like, this 169 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: is a different killer because normally he's like what's your 170 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: favorite scary mood? Like all that stuff. He was right 171 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: out the gate or she are? They? Like, who gives 172 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: up about scary movies? And there was a pretty graphic 173 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: scene where he opens the fridge and his roommate Greg, 174 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: I think was like cutting the pieces in the fridge 175 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: a co killer. We don't even him, No, he's just pieces. 176 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: And I did think about this because we're hopefully going 177 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: to bring Bridget back, because we did have so much 178 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: to say about Scream. But I was thinking about this 179 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: that I think when I said, like, phone calls really 180 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: freaked me out. I think there's a lot of reasons 181 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: why I'm not alone in that, But I wonder if 182 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: Scream has contributed in some. 183 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: Way to right but on the call, yeah, oh you 184 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 3: know the whole like they're inside your house, which is 185 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: an urban legend. 186 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: Yes, that's true, that's true. I would love to talk 187 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: about that. I did on my rewatch because you were 188 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: recently talking about the trip you checked to New York 189 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: for your birthday and you complained that like the restaurants 190 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: didn't have the sign up front, you couldn't find it, 191 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: and the at the beginning, the same thing. 192 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: I was very was like, oh, I was Yeah. 193 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: In New York City, the new posh Italian restaurant that 194 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 3: we went to that we loved and had the amazing 195 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: food was down an alley, literally by an alley in 196 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 3: like side streets where we had to go where we 197 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 3: passed many restaurants, there was no side said there was 198 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: a design, except it was for a different name. I 199 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: was like, that is not the name. And there was 200 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: no mention of the actual place that we reserved, like 201 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: we went and reserved the table or at the bar 202 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 3: sitting next to the pasta station, as was recommended by TikTok, 203 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 3: and like the name of the restaurant. 204 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: Was not on there. It was a completely different name. 205 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 3: And I had to be like, what the And on 206 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 3: Google it doesn't tell you that it's a different restaurant either, 207 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 3: And I'm like, why did you do this? 208 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: Why would you do this to us? Who? Who? Who 209 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: thinks this is a smart marketing? 210 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 3: I mean it was packed, so I don't one cared, 211 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: I guess, but I was like, this is not smart. 212 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: It was all ghost space. It was ghost space. 213 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 3: I hadn't been when my partner one of those would 214 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 3: have gotten murdered by ghost face. Now I said, that's 215 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: you know, that's the lesson. 216 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: It did make me laugh though, because I think maybe 217 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: if you haven't been to New York aren't familiar with that, 218 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: you know, this opening scene, you'd be as people love 219 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: to do. And I understand it, but you're like, why 220 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: would she do this? Why would she do that? I 221 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: do think that, But she does have that comment about 222 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: the the not they're not being a sign and all 223 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: that stuff, and he kind of uses that to lure 224 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: her out. He's like, you can't find there's no sign. 225 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 3: Which is like, you stand in front of him. That's 226 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 3: a don't go anywhere. Other lessons. Stay with the peoples, 227 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 3: staying with the people. Yep, all right, but yes. Tara 228 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 3: and Sam now all live in New York, along with 229 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: fellow survivors from the last movie, Mindy and Chad, who 230 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 3: are related to Randy, who was the like movie guy 231 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 3: who knew all the rules from the first three. Tara 232 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: is attending the same university where the murdered professor taught, where. 233 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: The killer student went to. In fact, they had to 234 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: run in in the beginning, and it's chafing at the 235 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: overprotectiveness of her sister, who moved to New York to 236 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: keep an eye on Tara. Tara basically wants to have 237 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: a quote regular college experience, and Sam is like, no, 238 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to taste this guy. We are also introduced 239 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: to roommate Quinn, Chad's roommate Ethan Mindy's girlfriend Anika, Quinn's father, 240 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: Detective Bailey, this Dermott guy, Sam's boyfriend from across the 241 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: away of the apartment's Danny, and Sam's therapist, doctor Christopher Stone, 242 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: who she mostly talks about Tara with. So these are 243 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: your suspects, these are your victims. Because of an online 244 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that Sam masterminded all of the Woodsboro Legacy murderers, 245 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: Sam is outcast and regarded with suspicion. When she goes out, 246 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: Detective Bailey brings her in for questioning after her id 247 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: was found the murder of the student, along with the 248 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: ghost Face mask warned by Richie and Amber. However, as 249 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: they're making their way to the police station, Sam gets 250 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: a call from Richie's phone from ghost Face and she 251 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: and attacked at a bodega where ghost Face kills several 252 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: people with a gun. This is notable. We're going to 253 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: talk about this because ghost Face has never not used 254 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: a knife ever. 255 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: That's well, yeah, it's odd. 256 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: Yes. The killer leaves another mask at the scene, this 257 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: one from the twenty eleven words Boro Murders, which is 258 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: Scream four. Once they get to the station, we're introduced 259 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: to Kirby Reid, who is the horror movie scholar from 260 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: the fourth one, who was presumed dead from these twenty 261 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: eleven killings but now works, so they have to be FBI. 262 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: I know I made you watch it in the fifth one, 263 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: if you like, pause it at the right moment on 264 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: the side of the YouTube page you can see survivor 265 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: Kirby talks about the horrors of this whole thing. So 266 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: you well, the fifth one was like, she's alive, but 267 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: in the fourth one I definitely thought she was dead 268 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:49,359 Speaker 1: for sure. 269 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: So it ends like she does she's dead. 270 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, Okay, absolutely. I actually can't wait to talk 271 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: about that because it's got a real like douchebag you 272 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: didn't see how good I was earlier, Now I'm going 273 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: to kill you vibe. So yeah, we'll talk about that later. 274 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: So guess who else is there? Gail Weathers Border Gail Weathers, who, 275 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: despite her promise at the end of the fifth one 276 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: after Dewey Riley was murdered, who is her on and 277 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: off again love interest, and her best friend wrote a 278 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: book about the Legacy killings, which infuriated Sam and Tara. 279 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: This is one of the things Bridget and I joked about, 280 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: is I love about Gail Weathers. At the end of 281 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: every movie, she's like, that's it, I'm done. Never again. 282 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: In the beginning of the next she's like, I did 283 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: it again. 284 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: She gets punched. That's the kind of a running joke. 285 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, she gets punched, and yeah, by the way, Sam 286 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: is the daughter of killer Billy Loomis from the first movie, 287 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: so she was writing a little bit about that. Gail 288 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: informs them that in order to keep her family safe, 289 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: Sydney has gone into hiding, and we will talk about 290 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: that more. In the end, Sam's therapist is murdered by 291 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: ghost Face and the murderer steals her file while weaving 292 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: the ghost Face mass from the Hollywood Killings Scream three. 293 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: This brings us to the laying out of the rules 294 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: scene which they have in every movie, where Mendy explains 295 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: that they are in a franchise and one of the 296 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: big rules is anyone can die and the franchise can 297 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: go on Luke Skywalker Rip, Dewey Riley Rip. But it's 298 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: kind of funny because Scream three already made this point 299 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: when it was like you're in a trilogy. But anyway, right, 300 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: there's survivors of the Legacy killing sort of form a 301 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: pact to stick together and have a lighthearted moment where 302 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 1: they tease Sam about her boyfriend Danny across the lay. Meanwhile, 303 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: said boyfriend sees their roommate to Quinn get attacked by 304 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: ghost Face from his window, tries to get their attention, 305 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: and then ghost Face attacks the rest of the group, 306 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: eventually killing and leaving behind a mass from the Windsor 307 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: College killing Scream too, so it's counting down. Also, there's 308 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: a very scary scene of crossing an alley via a 309 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: ladder suspended horizontally between two windows. Freaky. That is very reminiscent. 310 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: The scene is Scream two where they're stuck in the car, 311 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: the police car, and they have to like crawl out 312 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: the front over ghost Face. No No. Gail tries to 313 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: make amends with the group by bringing them into her investigation. 314 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: She takes them to a theater that she found that 315 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: contains a shrine set up for ghost Face, full of 316 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: evidence now displayed as if it was like a movie 317 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: prop museum, like if you were to go to a 318 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: scream exhibit. It feels like that. The group splits up, 319 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 1: very unsettled. Gail gets a call from gross Face at 320 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: her apartment. This is sort of when they're like trying 321 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: to set a trap for ghost Face and then they 322 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: realize they're gone for Gail, and ghost Face kills Gail's 323 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: boyfriend mocks her previous boyfriend, Dewey, before stabbing her and 324 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: realizing the danger. Gala is in Sam and Tara arrived 325 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: just in time to save her life. She is taken 326 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: to the hospital. They decide to meet up with Kirby 327 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: at the theater at her request in order to trap 328 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: the killer. On the way there, they board a train 329 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: filled with people just as ghost Face. Because this takes 330 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: place at Halloween. 331 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 3: On different faces. You had Mike Myers in there, yea 332 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 3: different killers. Oh yeah, I wondered if they got permission 333 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 3: for that. 334 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: Oh they must have. 335 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: They must have, right, Like that must have cost some 336 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: money though. 337 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: It was a creepy scene, and one of them stabs Mindy, 338 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: who like missed the first train was on a separate train. 339 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: When they get to the theater, Sam is confronted with 340 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: the hallucination of her father, Billy Limis, which was the 341 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: thing that happened a lot in the fifth one, and 342 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: he's basically like, if you want to save your sister, 343 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: you need to embrace your inner murderer, Like, we really gotta, 344 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: we gotta get a move on on this. Sam then 345 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: realizes they are locked in the theater. All of a sudden, 346 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: there are two ghost faces and they attack Chad. Both 347 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: Kirby and Detective Bailey, whose first name is Wayne, shows up. 348 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: They both show up that their guns are drawn. Wayne 349 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: claims that Kirby is the killer, that she never was 350 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: sent here by the FBI, that she is obsessed and 351 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: mentally disturbed after what happened to her. But then he 352 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: shoots her and reveals he is a third ghost face, 353 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: which is a first in the franchise Three Killers. They 354 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: had to do it, and he's also the ghost face 355 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: in charge because the other two are his children roommates 356 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: Quinn not Dead faked the whole thing, and Ethan, and 357 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: they both like made sure they get to live with 358 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: the people they wanted to kill, which is a tripe, 359 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about that and also guess what. 360 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: They're Richie's family and they want revenge his surprise, a 361 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: lot of surprises, that's true. I also talk about that 362 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: yees to that end. They were the ones online spreading 363 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: conspiracies and disparaging Sam. They want to pin the blame 364 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: on her for all of the killings, basically exonerating Richie. 365 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: Sam and Tara fight back, and Tara kills Quinn stabs 366 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: Ethan while Sam puts on the ghostface mask from the 367 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: original Woodsboro killings, the one her father wore in the 368 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: first Scream, and calls Wayne using the pookoder to taunt him, 369 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: which is something else that happens in the first Scream, 370 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: and then kills him. Ethan makes another attack, but Kirby 371 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: kills him with the TV that killed Stu Mocker in 372 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: the first one. Sam promises to let Tara be more independent. 373 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: Tara promises to go to therapy Mindy, Chad and Kirby 374 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: are taken to the hospital. Sam stares at her father's 375 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: mask for a long moment before tossing it away and 376 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: following Tara and Danny, which, by the way, Danny has 377 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: a whole thing where he's like, you shouldn't trust me. 378 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: It's okay, yeah. 379 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: Because she says I've had a good run with boyfriends. 380 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: He's like, I get it, which we are going to 381 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: talk about too, but yeah, that's that's the plot that 382 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: does bring us to the themes. One of the big 383 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: ones in this is definitely like sisterhood and overprotectiveness, or 384 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: I guess you could argue legitimate protectiveness. 385 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 3: Right, I don't think it's. None of this is overprotective, 386 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 3: especially if they're being like online harassed. 387 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 2: That's a little different. 388 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: It is it is, And I think it's interesting that 389 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: it totally makes sense that Tara is like, no, I 390 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: want I want to have this whole college experience. I 391 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: want to be normal. But the fact is they did 392 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: go through this, and they are being harassed online, and 393 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: Sam does have a real concern and trauma around that 394 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: and keeping her safe and keeping her alive, So it's 395 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: like it makes sense. And then you do have the 396 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: scene at the end where Sam's like holding Tara and 397 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: she's about to fall and the killers are coming from 398 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: all the sides, and Tara's like, let me go, let 399 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: me go, I could do this, and Sam lets her go. 400 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: And Tara did. To her credit, she killed that one 401 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: person and then almost the other guy. I mean, it 402 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: feels weird to be like, yeah, you killed him, but 403 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: in a movie like this, that's the point. I do 404 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: like in the beginning because Tara is drunk at a 405 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: college party, having college party and it's like, I want 406 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: to go with this guy, and I like that all 407 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: of her friends are like, no, you really shouldn't. Anna 408 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: becaus like, no, this guy is no good for you, 409 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: and that's when uh, Sam comes in. Days is soon. Yeah, 410 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: She's like, I'm so sorry. I'm just gonna taste you 411 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: in the ball. 412 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta get it done. 413 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. But that it is a nice thread throughout that 414 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: they are friends. They call themselves the Core for jokingly 415 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: and then kind of seriously that they're a team. They 416 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: talk about being like a found family and surviving and 417 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: bonding through this like trauma and the Woodsboro Legacy. I 418 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: really appreciated the camaraderie between Mendy and Kirby Whore you're 419 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: like horror movies aficionados. They have like a whole scene 420 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: where they're like quizzing each other, and I really like 421 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: that scene. But it is true that I would never 422 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: put myself on the same level as this, but protective 423 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: of my brothers, but especially my younger brother, especially when 424 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: I was younger. I've kind of like east back, but 425 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: it is hard when you're like the line between and 426 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: why I doing too much? Like is this more for 427 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: me and less for them? Like all of those things. 428 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: So that made me think about about that. There's certainly 429 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: the theme of trauma in a lot of ways, a 430 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: lot of ways, including the sisters in their relationship, but 431 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: also the ex boyfriend, which is a plot in the 432 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: second scream where Sydney has this sex boyfriend to this boyfriend, 433 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: but she keeps her boyfriend was the killer in the 434 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: first one, so she just has a understandable concern that 435 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: maybe is the boyfriend and this one. And I feel 436 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: like even Dewey says, who he's a cop, and he's like, 437 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, look at the boyfriend, and she has that conversation. 438 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: Sam has conversation with her boyfriends in this one because 439 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: her ex was the killer, one of the killers previously, 440 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: and he is just like, well, don't trust me until 441 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: this is over. Let's figure this out. There's also that 442 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: we've talked about this a lot of times. But the 443 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: whole aspect on like mental health and horror, so like 444 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: having Sam go to a therapist, having the thing at 445 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: the end where Tara agrees to go to a therapist, 446 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: but also the killer like steals her file, Sam's file 447 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: because they know they can manipulate Sam that way, but 448 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: also how people perceive Sam because it is seen as like, oh, 449 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: something must be wrong with her, She's probably the killer. 450 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: She's well, she's going to therapy, and this is what 451 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: the therapist is saying. But then then also on top 452 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: of that, there's the whole thing with Kirby, which I'm 453 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: glad they actually turned because at first I was like, 454 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: oh no, when they're like she's crazy, she's the killer, 455 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: she's obsessedes, I was like, oh, but they kind of 456 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: like weaponized it because they knew people would believe it, 457 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: and then turned out it wasn't true. And I'm glad 458 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: that it turned out it wasn't true because we do 459 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: see that trope all of the time. So I really 460 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: liked that because that's what Scream does. That's what all 461 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: these movies are about, is like taking a trope and 462 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: then being like, let's flip that. So yeah, a lot 463 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: of times it would be her, but it wasn't, and 464 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: I'm glad. And then just the kind of the there's 465 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: a through line throughout with Sydney and then now with 466 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: Sam of this idea like you're gonna crack, You're gonna 467 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: crack and then kill people, And they're both kind of 468 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: consistently either gaslets or being told they're paranoid, even though 469 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: I would again argue have reasons of me paranoid. They 470 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: have PTSD and they're just gonna snap that all this 471 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: trauma with your boyfriend it means you can't function. So 472 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: I feel like there's a constant thing with that of 473 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: the dismissing of their trauma or using it to be like, oh, 474 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: you're the killer. You're definitely like I mean, a lot 475 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: of our true crime shows like Snap to have titles 476 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: like that in there, like You're just gonna one day snap. 477 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: And that was a big theory because that's never been 478 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: done so far, is that one of the main characters 479 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: that you're like onboard with turns out to be the killer. 480 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: But they do play with that this one and in 481 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: a couple of them, so you have like Sam becoming 482 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: the killer, like wearing the mask, using the voice again, 483 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: I know. But we talked about this in the fifth 484 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: one where the whole Star Wars thing where Ray is 485 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: a Palpatine metaphor, which at the end of the fifth one, 486 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: she's like, Oh, you want to kill her, I'll give 487 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: you a killer. Sidney did the whole thing, but she 488 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: didn't have She wasn't the whole Her father wasn't a killer, 489 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: her her parents weren't killers. But that kind of the 490 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: final girl of the victim as the victim versus a 491 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: final girl of the killer. So it's like Sydney is 492 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: kind of the first where she doesn't have this family 493 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: thing looming over her. And then you've got Sam whose 494 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: father was the original killer, and so that's she's a 495 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: kind of different final girl. That's really interesting dichotomy. Yeah, 496 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: and then there's there's something to say about sort of 497 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: the the cycle of abuse here and the mass that 498 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: her father wore when she puts that on. But again, 499 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: she does become the killer then, and she looks at 500 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: the mask and puts it away and chooses to go 501 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: forth with her her sister and her boyfriend. But it 502 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: is sort of suggestive of that idea that it's only 503 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: a matter of time before she becomes her father and 504 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: or it's just like hanging over her. And as you said, 505 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: the blame the family trope is in here, but notably 506 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: there is no mother. It is everyone presumably but the mother, yes, 507 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting. It's also interesting to hear 508 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: Sam describe killing Richie because I feel like most of 509 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: the time that would have been painted in these movies 510 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: specifically would have been painted as just self defense because 511 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: he was trying to kill her. He had killed a 512 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: lot of people. But because of who her father is, 513 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: it seems more like evidence like she's also a killer, 514 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: and that that whole idea of like come to the 515 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: dark side, become a serial killer to save your sister. Again, look, 516 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: I can't help it. It's Star Wars everywhere. Another thing 517 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: I thought was interesting was the fact that the opening 518 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: scene when the professor is killed, the killer is kind 519 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: of like and you think, you know, horror like and 520 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: you think you came down the stark alley and you 521 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: did this, And we briefly talked about that in the 522 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,479 Speaker 1: episode we did with Bridget. But it is interesting as 523 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: someone who does this, as someone who like I love 524 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: to dissect, but I think there is a whole thing 525 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: to be said about, like knowing the tropes but not 526 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: knowing you're in a horror movie. I guess, like I 527 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: don't know. I just I'd like that they commented on 528 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: that though, that they commented on kind of the how 529 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people are dissecting these horror movies, and 530 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: these movies lend themselves to that because there's so meta 531 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: about horror movies. Also, something that was on my mind 532 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: that we didn't get to talk about when Bridget was on, 533 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: but I would love to come back, because we were 534 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: sort of talking about like the media and how that 535 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: maybe inspires killers or make people more violent. Those conversations 536 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: we've all heard, and Bridget was making the point like 537 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: when these movies were coming out, news media, like all 538 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: day news media was really becoming a thing, and they weren't. 539 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: They didn't receive the same rating like Y seven ORPG 540 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: or whatever it would be that media did, so that 541 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: they were kind of escaping the system while blaming the system, 542 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: but doing the thing. And I do think that's interesting 543 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: because so many of these movies have copycat killers and 544 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: we've talked about, oh we haven't talked about but in 545 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: our media, in our society. We've talked about, like there 546 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: was a whole conversation of never saying a mass shooter's name, 547 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: or like never because it'll inspire other people, and that's 548 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: a bigger conversation than this. But I do think that's 549 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: interesting that a lot of times it's not the movies, 550 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: it's the people or copycat killers that saw it on 551 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: the news. And then how often so many of these 552 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: killers and throughout these movies are killing over things, like 553 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: killing over grays. Because it's kind of implied that the 554 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: professor in the beginning was in part killed because the 555 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: guy didn't get a good grade I'm s which is 556 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: real sad and awful. But then he's mad at her 557 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: because he's like, you didn't you don't listen to your 558 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: own you don't know the trope, so you're either you're 559 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: ignoring them to come down this alleyway, and he talks 560 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: about how she feels like an animal and like meat, 561 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: and then the real ghost face calls and it's like, 562 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: how does it feel before it kills him? And then 563 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: this whole idea that they had to finish when Shei's 564 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: filmed the killers in this movie but make it seem 565 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: like he was not the killer and or was not 566 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: to blame. Of course Gale. We talked about her, the 567 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: complex nature of her and her relationship with her friends 568 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: who are very much involved in a very like true 569 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: crime type case, and then her as someone who wants 570 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: to make money off the true crime type case. She 571 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: even has a quote it's all about true crime limited 572 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: series these days, which make me laugh. She does use 573 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: her book to fight off ghost Space, which I thought 574 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: was funny. Uh yeah, okay, and ghost Face makes a 575 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: comment of like, who do you think will make money 576 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: off of your death? There's also controlling the narrative, especially 577 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: with the detective who blames Sam for radicalizing his son 578 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: and his death because his son, Richie was very involved 579 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 1: in this. Dab Movies was not happy with the newest 580 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 1: Dab movie, wanted to make a storyline in real life 581 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 1: that they would make the next Stab movie off of. 582 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: And he's on Reddit boards and all this stuff. So 583 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: not really her fault at all, but that's what the 584 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: detective said. But that was one of the things throughout it. 585 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: You're like, how are they getting this evidence? How are 586 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: they getting this evidence? The ghost face mask and he's 587 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: a detective and he had access to it, so he 588 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: could kind of control that. The trope of the roommate, 589 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: that is a huge horror movie trope, Oh the roommate, 590 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: then they will always look out. The whole idea of 591 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: assassinating the character is a big topic in a lot 592 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: of these where they did purposely go online basically start 593 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: a campaign to say no, it was her, it was 594 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: Sam all along. Like I said earlier, this was supposed 595 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 1: to be it was. It was like this one's different, 596 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: the three murderers thing completely new. I'm still perplexed at 597 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,240 Speaker 1: how he was going to explain his daughter was alive. 598 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: The detective the gun I think was supposed to be 599 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: kind of a hint that it was a cop. But 600 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. Being not a fan of ghost Face, 601 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: I think in the very first scene, you're supposed to 602 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: be like, Okay, this is not because a lot of 603 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: times it does turn out to be somebody who in 604 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: some way respects ghost Face. But this was not that 605 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: kind of leaning into the trope of the good cop 606 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: that he was like the good the good guy, and 607 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: he was gonna he really wanted to get to the 608 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: bottom of this because what happened to his daughter. Then 609 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,919 Speaker 1: you get to see the evolution of the mask, all 610 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: of the different masks and how they get more and 611 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: more worn and torn and dirty. Interesting. So this brings 612 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: us to kind of the elephant in the room. Sidney 613 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: Prescott was not in it, and they did try to 614 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: explain it as like she's taking care of herself. She 615 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: deserves a happy ending, which I've talked about, Like I 616 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: do feel that. I'm like, stay away, Sydney, You've been 617 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: through enough. But the fact she's not in there, you're like, 618 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: oh wait, something's missing. But okay. Yes. This was the 619 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 1: first screen movie not to feature Nev Campbell Sidney Prescott 620 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: and it was due to a pay disputes, and Campbell 621 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,879 Speaker 1: said the offer was insulting. Here is a quote from Newsweek. 622 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: I felt the offer that was presented to me did 623 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: not equate to the value I brought to the franchise. 624 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: It's been a very difficult decision to move on. To 625 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: all my screen fans, I love you. You've always been 626 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: so incredibly supportive to me. I'm forever grateful to you 627 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 1: and what this franchise has given me over the past 628 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: twenty five years. I honestly don't believe that if I 629 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: were a man and had done five installments of a 630 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: huge blockbuster franchise over twenty five years. That the number 631 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: that I was offered would be the number that would 632 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: be offered to a man. I'm not just done with 633 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: the chapter. I care about these movies. If they were 634 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: to come to me with an amount that felt in 635 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: keeping with the value that I bring them, I would 636 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: certainly consider it. So that being said, like I mentioned previously, 637 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: there is discussion she'll be in the next one. It 638 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: is not confirmed at all. There is discussion, and I 639 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: did appreciate that a lot, well, I won't say a lot, 640 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: a couple at least. I didn't like go looking, but 641 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: I saw a couple of high profile cases of her 642 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,280 Speaker 1: co stars supporting her. Matthew Lillard was very openly vocal 643 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: about his support of her and her getting more money, 644 00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: which is nice because we know so often that is 645 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: not the case when things like this happen. So I 646 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: don't know, we'll see. Also, I wasn't convinced Gail was 647 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 1: even going to come back. I thought she might die 648 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: and they'd kind of leave it open. I'm assuming she's 649 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,479 Speaker 1: going to come back unless they don't pay her enough. 650 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: They left it open that she could have died at 651 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: the end. I was I like, looked it up afterwards. 652 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: I was like, Gail is still alive? 653 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 3: That they said she's fine, Then they don't. They say 654 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 3: she's at the hospital, she's recovering. 655 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: They say she's recovering. But I was like, they could 656 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: kill her. It could be like making sure. I don't 657 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: think they would. 658 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 3: It would be really silly. At the very least, they 659 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 3: need to say she's in hiatus or hiding, like because 660 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,320 Speaker 3: they might want to bring her back. Because this seems 661 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 3: to be a never ending thing. Yes, but isn't there 662 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 3: a rumor that Matthew Willer is going to be in there? 663 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 1: There is a rumor he's going to be in there. 664 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,760 Speaker 1: I am so perplexed by it. I mean, he seemed 665 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,399 Speaker 1: it as a door dill, but. 666 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:55,280 Speaker 2: I mean the TV. 667 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: It could be either. It could be the thing like 668 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: with Billy Loomis. Though I feel like they can't hold 669 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: that trick too many times. 670 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't do that. 671 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 3: You can't have too many like I mean, actually you 672 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 3: can if you keep doing the movie and focus on 673 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 3: one at a time. That's so the next one ends 674 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 3: up being the Matthew Lillard offspring. And they're fighting because 675 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 3: they're blaming Billy for killing him because he does kill them. 676 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, Yeah that could be there. 677 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 2: You go, I just saw spoiler. 678 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: I knew you were involved in the writing of that. 679 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,240 Speaker 2: That's true. 680 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: Also, there is something that they're trying to do at 681 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: the end of this one where they are also implying. 682 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: Because it's been mostly oh Sam could be a killer, 683 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: now it's like, oh, Tara could be a killer. 684 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 3: Right, Well, Tara was like the one encouraging her to 685 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,240 Speaker 3: kill him, like a part. She's like, I'm gonna be human, 686 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 3: I'm better than this. And you see the look on 687 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 3: Tara's face where it's like yeah, and then it's just. 688 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 2: Do what what are you doing? 689 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: Yeah? 690 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,760 Speaker 2: To finish them essentially. 691 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like it's of a strange because she's 692 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: not directly related to Billy Loomis. I'm not even sure 693 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 1: that matters that much, but she's the one that's like, oh, 694 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 1: leaning into it. 695 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 3: There's this whole thing and it's not just scream but 696 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 3: like the old narrative that a psychopath or sociopath is 697 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 3: passed down slash hereditary and is still being used everywhere, 698 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 3: except there's no proof at all. 699 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 2: Anywhere. 700 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 3: I'm saying that that's the case mental health, sure, but 701 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 3: that doesn't mean sociopathic serial killer. Like that's a whole 702 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 3: different conversation. We know that sociopaths can also be CEOs 703 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 3: and politicians oftentimes, But like this narrative that just keeps 704 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 3: perpetuating that it has been fairly debunked, essentially keeps happening 705 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 3: and reinforced, which I find interesting because I've seen that 706 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 3: in a lot of K dramas as well. I'm like, 707 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 3: I'm very confused, especially when it's like they're adopted, but oh, 708 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 3: I know that my father was a serial killer. 709 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 2: My biological father was a serial killer, so so am I. 710 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, that's not how that completely goes because 711 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 3: the environment, okay, whatever, But there's a lot of conversation 712 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 3: in that in which we see Sam's character being that, which, 713 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 3: by the way, every time they say Sam and Samantha, 714 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 3: I'm just like, I always confused because my name is 715 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 3: so rarely used as main characters. 716 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,320 Speaker 2: Like, so I'm like, what's happening, what's happening? 717 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 3: But yeah, Taro just being sick and tired of it 718 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 3: and wanted to kill, Like I feel like she should 719 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 3: come out as being the full killer. She's just tired 720 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 3: of Almond and just takes them all out. 721 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,399 Speaker 1: I mean she was giving off that vibe at then 722 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: she is definitely give it off a. 723 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,760 Speaker 2: Vibe like it's my head. She's gonna just go after 724 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 2: a screen fans Oh my gosh. 725 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, where people like get so obsessed and they're on 726 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,479 Speaker 3: Reddit about how amazing he is and attacking the family. 727 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 2: So she just everybody here, I just made two movies. 728 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: You did, You're welcome? Wow, you could be rolling in 729 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: the dough Samantha. 730 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 3: I'm giving damn it. Like I heard like screen producers 731 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 3: are listening to us. 732 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 1: That would be such a like dark heavy load to 733 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: pull off the like terror has been radicalized by Reddit. 734 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: It is now killing people, but like. 735 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 3: Not because she's a fan, but because she's pissed off 736 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 3: that they're perpetuating those and making her life miserable. 737 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: And then the campaign would be like, oh no, because 738 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: Screen does have They had what I think is a 739 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,959 Speaker 1: I mean X it works, but it could have gone 740 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: very wrong where they had ghost space factors dresses go 741 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 1: space walking around New York at night and going up 742 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 1: to like cameras. 743 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 3: I told you, it was just turning very dark. That 744 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 3: I had a defect case where one of the spouses 745 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 3: were tormenting his spouse. His spouse by randomly placing the 746 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 3: screen mask. 747 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 748 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 3: Like, we came to investigate and she was she was 749 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 3: not doing well anyway, so which was perfect layout for 750 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 3: someone to like gaslight her essentially, And she pointed to 751 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 3: the back and was like, do you see this? And 752 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 3: we turned back around and it was the ghostface mask 753 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 3: and I was like, what is happening. She's like, he 754 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 3: put it there last night, and we were like what. 755 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 3: And this was before like security cameras were so accessible, 756 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 3: like you can get them, but it was expensive. It 757 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 3: was for rich people, and she was going through a 758 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 3: really ugly divorce. So I was just like, I don't 759 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 3: know what to do with this. 760 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's no good. 761 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 2: That was my era. 762 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,839 Speaker 3: That was two thousand and five, two thousand and five, 763 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,240 Speaker 3: two thousand and four. 764 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,879 Speaker 1: Right around the fourth one. Nah, that was right around 765 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 1: the third one. The fourth one was excuse. 766 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 3: Me, I was gonna say, I think it was still 767 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 3: in the trilogy because the third one came out as big. 768 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 2: The second was like. 769 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 1: Ooh m oh, I love their well, I love them 770 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: all but I do think that the interesting thing about 771 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 1: ghost Face, and we did talk about this in the 772 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: Fifth Wood, and I promise I'll wrap up, even though 773 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,400 Speaker 1: I did skip a whole section of Star Wars comparison. 774 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: That's fine. 775 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 2: Writing it out. 776 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: I've done enough. I don't need to do it anymore. 777 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: There is an interesting thing about ghost Face and that 778 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: he she, they is not the same killer. It's not 779 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 1: like Michael Myers somehow got resurrected like every movie somehow, 780 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: it is a different killer every time. Uh ooh, that 781 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: could be an interesting Oh no, but it's a different 782 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 1: killer every time. But they wear the mask and it's 783 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 1: like they are ghost Face. And they use that in 784 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the movies where they're at a movie 785 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: premiere and everyone's wearing the ghost Face mask, but one 786 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: of them actually is ghost Face and kills you in 787 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: front of everyone. Like I feel like the ghost Face 788 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 1: mask has this because because it does that, when I 789 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,880 Speaker 1: see someone dressed as that, I am legitimately nervous, like, 790 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: oh god, where. 791 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 2: Were we recently and you're like ghost Face. 792 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: Oh, there was a bunch of them at Dragon Con. 793 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: There was a bunch, That's what it was. Yeah, but 794 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 1: it was kind of funny because he was come up 795 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: the escalator and I was like. 796 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 2: I'm going on down the stairs things. 797 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Well, I have had a blast. I've had 798 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 1: so much fun. I do recommend this movie. If you're 799 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,760 Speaker 1: in any way interested in slashers and horror and dissecting horror, 800 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,399 Speaker 1: I recommend it. We might be doing more. We don't know. 801 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and the second after thing is done, so yeah, 802 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,320 Speaker 3: let's talk about more movies. 803 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,880 Speaker 1: Let's do it. We will announce it one way or 804 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 1: the other. Our Sex in the City happy hours are 805 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: probably gonna resume in the new year. Yes, but we 806 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,359 Speaker 1: might be doing some scream happy hours in the meeting. 807 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:54,280 Speaker 2: I think we should. 808 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,800 Speaker 1: I think we should. Wow, of course I think we should. 809 00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,759 Speaker 1: But yes, well, listeners, if you have any thoughts about this, 810 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,879 Speaker 1: if you have any movies we should do for Spoiled Saturdays, 811 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 1: if you have any like Thanksgiving movie recommendations, let us 812 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,919 Speaker 1: know because we're trying to sess that out. You can 813 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: email us at stuffidomom stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. 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