WEBVTT - Week 7, Episode 1: Chiefs Concerns, Bengals Statement, Making history, Bob under fire! 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:06.920 A brand new football week to talk about Here on 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:10.039 tape its Bobo Shoes and Dan Orlovsky Scott p Olie, 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:12.680 the podcast that takes you behind the xs and os 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:15.000 and we go deep dive into football. For all the 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:17.239 football nerds out there like me, it's great listening to 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:19.760 Dan and Scott break it down every week. And guys, 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:22.639 there is no team as the jumping off point for 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.200 this week on tapeds that people seem to be trying 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.080 to do a deeper dive on and getting less answers 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.919 than the Kansas City Chiefs. What is wrong with this offense? 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.120 What is wrong with their defense? And Patrick Mahomes. There 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.600 are a lot of questions starring around this team. Here's 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:41.400 what the quarterback had to say. I mean, it's it's 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:43.560 it's kind of been one thing here and there each 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.880 and every week. It's not like a whole overarching one thing. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:48.960 I mean today it was probably me who just pressing 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:50.519 a little bit too early in the game, and then 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.440 it kind of got down and we were in that 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.800 kind of mode where you're kind of no huddle but 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:56.120 you don't want to be in. In In the NFL, you 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:57.840 can actually a little bit, but it's hard to get 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:01.040 sustained drives. Um, so it's gotta better earlier in the 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.400 games so we don't get behind like we did today. Well, 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.280 maybe Dana does have to be the quarterback. I don't know. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:07.080 I mean, obviously he's not playing the way we've seen 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.120 Patrick Mahomes play in the past. But it seems like 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:13.119 the problems for this team go way beyond Patrick Mahomes, 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.760 Andy Reid and what always used to work, a seamless 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:20.039 offense that would just glide down the field seemingly at 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.200 ease every game. What what do you think the problem is? 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.759 There's a lot of problems to your point, problem, I think, 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:29.240 so I'll start on the other side of the football. Defensively, One, 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.399 everything in football is connected. You guys know that it 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.480 is always connected. So the Chiefs defense is not good. 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.399 They give up a lot of points. That impacts the 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.360 way philosophically that defenses are going to play against the 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.560 Chief's offense, and that impacts philosophically the way the Chiefs 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.680 offense is going to try and go about their business. Right. So, 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.480 as an opposing team, when you play the Chiefs, you know, 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:55.880 are right, our offense is gonna score some points. We're 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.560 gonna score twenty eight plus points. More than likely they're 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:00.280 given up, I think averaging like third. Do you want 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.960 our thirty two points defensively? So when you play the 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.080 Chiefs offensively, you feel comfortable you're gonna get to a 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:10.640 round thirty. So then that frames again philosophically, how do 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.200 we want to play defense against the Chief's offense? What's 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:18.400 the best way for us to slow indoor stop them 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.799 from scoring thirty points? Number one, teams are playing too 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:26.920 high safety at in a ridiculous rate against the Chiefs. 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.800 Is that something new? Absolutely not. This is a rather lather, 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:35.000 rinse and repeat thing. Everybody has been doing this against 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:38.320 the Chiefs for probably close to three years now. Teams 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.760 are playing a lot of two high safety now fundamentally 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.040 in offensive football. When you get two high safeties, your 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.000 number one goal should be run the football. It is 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.480 a football is a math game. It always has been 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.600 to me. If I've got six guys blocking and you 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.360 only have five, which is often the case in a 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.120 two high shell defense, I should be able to run 0:02:56.160 --> 0:03:00.720 the ball wherever, whenever, however I want so. The Chiefs 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.720 aren't doing enough of that. They aren't kind of banging 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:05.880 their head against the wall with we are going to 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.200 run the football. Number two. And this is a thing 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.320 that you and I have talked about at nauseum a 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:13.959 little bit, Bob. I think that the RPO offense, the 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:19.080 run pass option, has hurt this offensive line significantly and 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.680 it's affecting Patrick Mahomes number one. The offensive line. There's 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.320 no pop in their run game. There's no Okay, we 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.040 are putting our hands in the ground. We're calling a run. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.079 I do not care what the defense is in. We're 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.880 gonna get four yards. I don't you know there, it's 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.840 always well, we're gonna call a run and if we 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.440 if we get a half a body too much, maybe 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.800 Patrick will throw the ball. You know, you watch the 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:42.880 offensive line come off the ball and there's no pop 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.920 in the past aspect of it. You watch this offensive 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:47.400 line come off the ball and you can see it 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.760 on tape. They will start to peek back to see 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.720 if Patrick has pulled the ball to throw the pass option. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.760 So that's the first aspect that in the run game 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.360 it's really impacting them. The second thing is when you 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.080 live in the RPO world, there's a quarterback, there's very 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.760 little rhythm to your feet you know you are catch 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.600 place ball down read a defender, either give it or 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.000 throw it right now, there's very okay, I'm dropping back 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.440 number one, number two, my feet tell me to get 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.640 to number three to a checkdown my feet. There's no 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:20.239 rhythm to the checkdown for Patrick Mahomes. So all those 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:25.400 variables are the fundamental reason why the Chiefs offense has 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:31.200 had moments of stagnant play. Obviously the turnovers are a 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:35.240 result of those symptoms. Yeah, Dan, you know you're hitting 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.560 on a keyword, and you mentioned the word fundamentals, and 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:41.719 there's an absence of some real fundamental things going on 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.560 right here. I do want to talk touch on you 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.160 talk about the pop of the offensive line on play action, 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.760 and you know, I was forcing around to be around 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.640 some pretty good coaches and watch them coach play action. 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.840 It's r p O S play action, same thing you're 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.080 baking them, you know. And one of the things that 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.159 I remember the most about the best play action team, 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.880 it was not only the ball handling and the footwork 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.839 and the track of the running back and the quarterback, 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.960 but was the offensive line. When you saw a team 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:16.440 that could run the play action really well, you could 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.479 you didn't just see it, right, you you're talking about 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.120 what we could see on tape. The other thing is 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:22.919 you heard that offensive line. There was a sound of 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.200 them coming off the ball. And again this is this 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.479 is where my scouting thing comes in. It's you know, 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.960 there's certain things that you can hear and feel and 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.400 sense when you're on the field and when you're around 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:37.920 Kyle Shanahan, Mike Shanahan, Charlie Weiss, Josh McDaniels. Some of 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.360 the best play action teams that I've been around, Ron 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.560 Earhart back in the day, Dan Henning. Their play action. 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.039 You could hear their play action coming and it was 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.960 enough where the offensive line would come off. It's with 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:54.359 such intensity. The defense even thought it was it was 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.000 it was this visual thing that they saw the play action, 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.599 but they heard a play that sounded like a run. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:01.680 So I don't want to spend too much time on that. 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.039 But the other thing is the fundamentals of this. It's 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:07.160 the turnovers. Right. They are dead last tied with the 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.800 Jacksonville Jaguars at minus eleven and turnovers, and they've had 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.359 some other turnovers that they've gotten away with. You go 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:15.200 back to this game in particular, we're looking at go 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.920 back to the first court. Tennessee's up seven nothing, The 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.160 Chiefs have the ball third seven at their you know, 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.440 the minus forty nine, their own forty nine yard line. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:27.240 Bud Dupree gets the edge on Orlando Brown, strip sax Mahomes. 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:31.080 Now Kansas City recovers. But the thing is, you know, 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.919 we've talked about this before. Just because you do something 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.160 wrong and it works out in your favor doesn't mean 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.280 that it's right. You know. One of the things that 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.479 again the best coaches I was around that they always 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.559 preached was making sure that you don't plant the seeds 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.599 for future defeats, and not just defeats in games, but 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:54.080 in series and in turnovers. So now you know that 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.360 we've seen this. This has been all year. This offensive 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.640 line has not been performing in Orlando. Brown want to 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.120 go to in the city because he wanted to play 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.359 left tackle, saddle up, buckle up. Here we go. But 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:08.040 he's getting beat by bud Dupree, and and you know, 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.720 so so that happens. Now. The other thing is happening 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.520 is one of the things of magic of Patrick Mahomes, 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.640 who I still think is magical and is going to 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.840 be magical and continue to be that way. The extended 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:20.800 players are not working out the way they used to. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.239 Can go back to the second quarter. Case's got first 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.560 and ten on their own, twenty five Titans are already up, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.640 you know, seventeen nothing at this point in time. Nobody's open, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.600 which again, this is becoming a problem. The people are 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.480 not getting open, which puts pressure on the offensive line, 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:40.040 which hasn't jailed yet. He's trying to squeeze one in 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.920 on this play, gets tipped in the air and intercepted. 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.360 Tennessee gets the ball. You know, they only have to 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.360 go forty six yards right now because they've gotten the 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:51.080 interception in Kansas City territory. Touchdown, and now the game's 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.920 twenty four nothing. We're still in the second quarter, and 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:55.840 now we go to this place again. We're still in 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.400 the first half, but we're now we're under two minutes. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:04.400 Mahomes scrambles terrific scramble thirteen yards. But I encourage everyone 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.400 to go back and watch the tape. The way that 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.240 he is carrying the ball the entire time that he's 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.960 running for thirteen yards. This is the kind of stuff 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.600 that Patrick has been able to get away within the past. 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.080 He's not protecting the ball. He's got it in one hand. 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.239 It's out as this play is ending, and he's going down. 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:25.200 Sure enough, he's stripped balls. Turnover again. Tennessee gets the 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.560 ball with less than two minutes eight plays, only eighteen 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.400 yards ahead of field goal. We turned around and it's 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.840 twenty seven nothing. And I think part of what's happening 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.280 here is some of the things that you know, you 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:41.160 can get away with not being fundamentally sound for a 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.160 certain amount of time if you have rare talent and 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.760 the Good Lord is looking over you. At some point 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:50.080 in time, those things are going to manifest themselves into 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:54.200 unsuccessful plays. And that's what I'm seeing right now, in 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.880 addition to the stuff you mentioned, Dan, Yeah, I mean 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.040 it was twenty four nothing and the Chiefs had run 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.080 eleven offense plays. I wanted to touch on the the 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.720 interception play right because I think it's a big teaching 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.360 point for everybody listening that there is a difference when 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.920 I say the rhythm of your feet listening to the 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.600 rhythm of her feet to your check down. There is 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:19.120 a big difference between checkdown an outlet for a quarterback. Okay, 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:23.240 a checkdown is something that is built into the progression 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:27.240 of a play. Hey, we are going one, two to three. 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.800 And on that interception that first and tent where he 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.320 scrambles to his left and he throws back across his body. 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.319 Three is so he goes a little flash fake, backs 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.720 on his left, flash fake, and the back is coming across, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.200 so he's gonna cross Patrick. He's gonna help a little 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.280 bit in protection with the chip, and then he's gonna 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.640 run what's called the check M. So if you think 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:48.120 of the McDonald's arch right, the M one half of that. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.319 So he's gonna go check M. So it's gonna almost 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.720 look like a little bit of that arch loop and 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.760 you're really just trying to get the back to start 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:59.200 going downhill at the defense while also looking to the quarterback. 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.400 And so Patrick goes. Number one is Travis Kelsey on 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.199 a little bit of it in an out whip route, 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.600 It's not there. Number two is an inbreaker, it's not there. 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.160 If you go one hitch to Kelsey, to hitch that 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.800 that inner basic and three to your check m. He 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:16.640 is going to catch that ball, and it is going 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.120 to be at worst if he catches the ball and 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.160 starts to trip on his own feet. It's going to 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.040 be second in two. That is in the rhythm of 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:27.360 the play. That is a in rhythm check down. Now 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.000 an outlet is, hey, there's the the ball has to 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.959 get out of your hands. You are scrambling, there's a sack, 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.960 you're under duress, and somebody has leaked out, and is 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.520 it is your only option to get the ball of 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.680 your hands. That is the difference between the rhythm of 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.360 a check down and an outlet for a quarterback. And 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.800 that's what I say when Patrick has got to really 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.800 and the Chiefs have to really start to hone in 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.439 on this is when you start to listen to your 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.320 feet way more, which again is not part of that 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:01.040 RPO offense. You get into the rhythm of your checkdowns 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.960 way more often, and then you don't make those mistakes 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.720 that right now are really hurting this football team. Well, 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.080 let me say you're a good partner, because obviously working 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.920 the golden arch is in there brings me into the conversation. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.920 So like, I appreciate that you're you're now talking about 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.800 metaphor understand lonely I can see it. Hey, look real quick, 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.600 we only have a minute or two left in this segment. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:25.840 Every time We talk about the Chiefs every week, though 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.280 it seems like our conversation is what's going wrong with 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.440 them rather than what the opponents sometimes is doing right. 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.000 How about a quick thought on Tennessee. I mean, this 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:35.520 is a team that I watched a couple of weeks 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.720 ago lose to the Jets and and Scott to your point, 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:43.320 offensive line, imposing your will physically win. Like we spend 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.599 all our time with the Chiefs talking about Kelsey and 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.679 Tyree Hill and Mahomes and his magic and Mikole Hardman. 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.480 I mean, what's the biggest problem arguably with their offense. 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.240 It breaks down on the offensive line, and it short 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.240 circuits everything that they want to do. When the Titans 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.240 get it going, there aren't too many breakdown on that 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:05.320 offensive line. Mike Rabel is such a stickler for doing 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:10.760 things the right way, fundamentals and just perfection and detail, 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.199 and you know, it's part of what he learned as 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.120 a player. And again, so I've known Mike forever since 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:17.839 since the time he came out of college and he 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.520 had those couple of first years as a player with Pittsburgh. 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.560 We brought into um New England, and he was with 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.240 me in Kansas City. Also, Mike was a student of 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.480 the game. And Mike was not a rare physical talent. 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.520 He had to do everything right in order to be 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.720 a good player, and he was not a good player. 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.800 He was a very good player because he did things right. 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:41.880 He was prepared mentally, he did things right fundamentally, and 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.199 that is the image of the team that he wants. 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.760 That's why John Robinson goes out and gets the type 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:48.960 of players that they may not be, they may not 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.439 have a whole lot of sizzle, but what they're gonna 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.840 do is they're not gonna They're gonna try not to 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.440 lose football games. But I have to say this. You 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.599 know what people forget sometimes is every team in the 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:03.320 National Football League is playing with pro football players. Even 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.960 the backups are pro football players. These guys are the 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.440 best of the best in the world. And you know, 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.640 I mentioned this last week. Every once in a while, 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.000 you know, Betty Crocker is gonna burn the Brownies and 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:16.800 and the Jets burn the Titans Brownies. And I think 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:18.360 that they learned from that. And I think that's what 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.960 good teams do, is they learn from making mistakes and 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.320 not playing well. One week, I could keep it simple 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.760 for the Titans number one defensively, they do a good 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.560 job with coverage disguise what that does for a quarterback 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.800 and makes you just hesitate for a second. They got 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.880 two first rounders on their defensive line that are playing 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.280 really good football, and they got a second rounder that's 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.160 playing really good football. So Landry's playing good football, dupri 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.520 is playing good football, and Simmons playing good football. Right, 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:46.920 so that's tied together. Offensively, they have the mon stars offense. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.000 I'm just a p s A to everybody listening that 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.400 is watching the Titans. If you line up defensively to 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:57.240 stop Derrick Henry, you are going to get gashed by 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:00.480 those receivers. They their skill position players Bob skill a position, 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.040 not their tight ends. Skilled position guys. Henry, A. J. 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.800 Brown and Julio average six pounds. No one in the 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.199 NFL is like that, nobody, no one in the NFL 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.199 defensively can match up to them. So they're big boys 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.440 on the perimeter are a problem for defenses. If you 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.839 line up to stop Derrick Henry, you are going to 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.760 get play ash and passed to death. And when they 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.720 lost to the Jets, there without Julio and A. J. Brown, 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.880 so obviously that takes away a big part of how 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.200 they want to play. A team right now that is 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.400 playing exactly the way they want to play. Though, the 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.000 Cincinnati Bengals, we're gonna talk about them when we come back, 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.640 because that was a statement win for them this past 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.880 week in Baltimore. And also Dan and I were a 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.080 part of history, a very unusual version of history. But 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:41.640 we will tell you about that when we come back. 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:47.000 One Pets back here on TEPTS Bobo shooes Him, Dan 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.000 Or Loves Kip, Scott Pioli, the podcast that takes you 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.920 behind the xs and ohs and guys. We've been, i 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.400 think all season with the Cincinnati Bengals having this discussion, 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.480 waiting for a reason to say they should have taken 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.280 Penny Soul, they should have addressed the offensive line this 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.480 team with the role draft, and every time we want 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.600 to have that conversation, Jamaar Chase does what Jamar Chase 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.040 does again. Joe Burrow looks like he's got plenty of 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.120 protection upfront, and this team looks like they are really 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.000 four real? Was that as much of a statement went 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.160 on Sunday as we all may be on the surface 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.480 think it was well. I thought it was the most 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.920 emphatic and impressive win by anybody in the NFL this season. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:28.640 Cincinnati to go down and beat down Baltimore almost in 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.240 a way that Baltimore has usually beat up people over 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.440 the last decade plus. Uh. One thing that stood out 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.520 to me defensively, Bob, if you go to the second quarter, 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:40.360 there's a third and eleven and um. Something that the 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.440 Baltimore Raven defense has been notorious for I played against 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.360 it too many times. Is in that situation. Here comes 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.640 all out man to man coverage, zero pressure, and you 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.400 as a quarterbacker sitting there going good gosh, dude, I 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.760 know one guy is gonna get unblocked. I gotta get 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.600 this ball out in one point three seconds. I'm gonna 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.320 get hit, and I've got to find a come pieient 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.240 for a first down. So they show that all out pressure. 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:07.440 Lamar drifts to his right, the backside linebacker becomes unblocked. 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.800 There's nowhere for the Lamar to throw the football because 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.240 the defenders are squatting at ten yards. Ball has gotta 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.920 come out and there's an incomplete throw only a field 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.000 goal opportunity. So then, as a quarterback, now the seed 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.760 has been planted by the defense. Alright, third down eight plus, 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.880 here comes zero pressure. You better have a stinking answer. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.560 You gotta figure out who's getting blocked, who's not getting blocked. 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.200 You better know where the ball can get thrown for 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.320 a completion for a first down. Then fast forward to 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.480 the fourth quarter. It's only a ten point game. Fourth 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.800 and seven, the Ravens have to go for it. Here 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.080 comes that all out pressure again. Man, the man across 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.760 the board, everybody up until the line of scrimmage ball 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.080 gets snapped. Lamar is gonna drift his left because he 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.760 full slides his offensive line from the right to the left, 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:49.160 so the right defensive end is gonna come unblocked. He 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.520 drifts from it because he knows that's the unblocked defender. 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.160 Everybody on the Bengals defense at the line of scrimmage 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.280 comes into the offensive line right first for one quick second, 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.960 and then the linebackers drop out. Now are playing almost 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.160 like a zero zone, so to speak. Everyone's sitting at 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.879 eight nine yards. They're playing in and out coverage, and 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.800 those linebackers drop underneath and almost pick off the ball, 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.080 tip it away. Lamar's thinking, I got an easy completion 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:15.159 to a slot receiver, ball gets tipped away. When you 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.800 as a defense do that, I as a quarterback and going, 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.480 I got no clue, coach. Now, Offensively, the thing that 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:25.280 I love the most that they did was they knew 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.879 Baltimore was gonna do the same thing. They knew on 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.840 third down Baltimore was gonna go here, we comes a 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:31.840 man to man coverage, all our pressure, they kept their 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.439 tight ending right next to Joe Burrow. They kept their 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.280 tail back in right next to Joe Burrow. Seven guys 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.760 in protection, and guess what we're gonna bank on Tee 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:41.640 Higgins wining verse man to man, or We're gonna bank 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.119 on Jamaar Chase on an en route winning versus man 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.320 to man or a back shoulder. I thought their protection 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:50.600 plans and then the way they attacked protection were brilliant. Yeah, 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:55.480 and what happened there was going back to again, what 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.399 does this win mean? Like? What does this mean? Because 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.520 the Bengals have been here before, they win a game, 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:03.400 but they don't know what. This was a statement game. 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.200 Everyone said this was a shot heard around the division, 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.040 and it really was because this is what that wind 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:13.080 does in that moment, is it creates hope. And belief, 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:15.399 And I'm not sure there's been a whole lot of 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:19.240 hope and belief in systems and in processes and cultures 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.280 in the past because they haven't been able to win 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:23.960 a big, a big game like this and have a 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.000 record quite honestly like this. So when when you look 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.320 at this, you know, it just I started thinking about 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:30.520 some of the teams that I was a part of, 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.760 you know in Cleveland, when you know when we turn 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:35.920 things around, like all these teams where we turn things 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.120 around in the Cleveland Browns, the New York Jets, the Patriots, 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:41.879 the Atlanta Falcons, where we did it pretty much in 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.000 quick time. In Kansas City, we actually did it in 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:46.280 quick time in the second year. We want a division, 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:51.040 but we didn't follow through. Again, we couldn't sustain it organizationally. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:55.399 Now what they did was create this hope and belief 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.840 that I've seen before. But now what they have to 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:01.600 do is treat this as though, Okay, that was big, 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.679 that was important. It's just another game. We beat up 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.280 the bullies on the block in the division, but we 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.479 got a bunch more football to win. Because you go 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.840 into every season the goal is to win the division 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.040 because then the division. You know, win division, you're in 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.359 the tournament. Then the goal is where the Titans are 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.240 at right now, where they have been able to win 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:21.880 in the division. But now the last two weeks they've 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.239 been able to win big ones within the conference. So 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:26.880 now they know they're for real. So right now there's 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:30.680 a mentality with the Bengals where they think, the players believe, 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.040 the locker room believes that, coaches are starting to believe, 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.879 the franchise is starting to believe. Now they have to 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:39.200