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Speaker 1: All right, guys, so welcome back to a new episode

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Speaker 1: of You Need Therapy Podcast. I have an exciting guest

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Speaker 1: here on a very serious week and it is not

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Speaker 1: only her first time on You Need Therapy, it is

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Speaker 1: her first time on any podcast ever in the world.

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Speaker 1: And she's so excited to be here. Her name is

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Speaker 1: Taylor McLeod and she's one of my best friends. And

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Speaker 1: I just want you guys to know she is feeling

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Speaker 1: really excited to share all of her knowledge today. So Taylor, welcome. Hi. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The truth is the truth is about Taylor is she's

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Speaker 1: not a super public person. Like she posts an Instagram

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Speaker 1: story maybe three times a year. How many times would

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Speaker 1: you post on your feed, like once every three years,

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Speaker 1: maybe once a year. It's like a big life event

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Speaker 1: will post. But she's not a big public out there

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Speaker 1: center attention gal might be a little different when we're

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Speaker 1: with our friends, but she's doing this because she loves

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Speaker 1: me and she's passionate about what we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 1: And I promise I'm gonna let you talk more. But

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Speaker 1: on a scale of one to tend, how pumped were

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Speaker 1: you to come over in record? You know, probably about

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Speaker 1: a four on the excitedness of having my voice out

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Speaker 1: in the public, but a tend to spend downe with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, So now we have that out of

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Speaker 1: the way, we're gonna be talking about something super serious today.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's still going to be an episode that

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Speaker 1: I think you guys will enjoy and get a lot

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Speaker 1: out of. But September, which we are now in, is

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Speaker 1: suicide Prevention and Awareness month, and because of that, I

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Speaker 1: thought it was important to talk about that whole topic,

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Speaker 1: suicide depression, and really create a conversation around it. And

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Speaker 1: Taylor is probably somebody who knows more about this topic

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Speaker 1: than anybody else I know. So Taylor, what do you do?

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Speaker 1: Tell us what your job is and how you got there.

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Speaker 1: This is never a field I really thought i'd be

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Speaker 1: interested in. But I work in crisis prevention and intervention services,

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Speaker 1: so I've done a couple of different jobs in this field.

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Speaker 1: So I've been a crisis responder where I respond to

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Speaker 1: people who are having thoughts of wanting to hurt themselves

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Speaker 1: or others um and also who are experiencing psychosis. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so basically, your job's really hard. Yes, it's a lot

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Speaker 1: to take on. We also really In the job that

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Speaker 1: I work in now, we focus on crisis prevention. So

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Speaker 1: what that means is we're looking at ways that we

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Speaker 1: can help prevent a crisis from happening or having people

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Speaker 1: we want to focus on what people do well, what

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Speaker 1: people are good at, what their strengths are, and incorporate

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Speaker 1: that into their daily life to try to help them

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Speaker 1: find a purpose and meaning um instead of having to

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Speaker 1: go into that crisis mode. That's pretty awesome and important

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Speaker 1: work that we need to be doing. I am very

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Speaker 1: grateful that Taylor's here because I think that she's going

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Speaker 1: to have a lot to offer in some perspective that

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Speaker 1: is good for us to hear. And this episode is

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Speaker 1: for anybody, And I wanted to say that in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people might see this

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Speaker 1: topic or start listening to it and be like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I've never dealt with that, or no, never anybody who's

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Speaker 1: want to learn about that, that's not going to affect me.

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Speaker 1: And the truth is it will This is a bigger

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Speaker 1: issue that affects more people that I think people realize

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Speaker 1: because we don't talk about it very much. So can

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Speaker 1: you tell us the stats you have on this, yes,

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Speaker 1: So according to the CDC, these are all statistics from

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Speaker 1: the year of nineteen. So suicide in twenty nineteen was

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Speaker 1: the tenth leading cause of death overall in the United

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Speaker 1: States and it claimed the lives of forty seven thousand

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Speaker 1: and five hundred people, which to me is quite an

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Speaker 1: the ages of thirty five and forty four. That is crazy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's heartbreaking. So if you think that this isn't something

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Speaker 1: And so what our job is to is to be

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Speaker 1: aware of what this actually is. Just like you're aware

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Speaker 1: And reality is you may not think you know someone

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Speaker 1: But looking at these statistics, you may not know someone

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Speaker 1: You can't see it. You can't see it, and a

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Speaker 1: And one thing that I remember in school, when we

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Speaker 1: had thoughts of wanting to hurt yourself. That's not going

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Speaker 1: if you're somebody who's not struggling right now, somebody were

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Speaker 1: And it's so simple. And what's the worst that that

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Speaker 1: was taught no crime in baseball, like, let's get this done.

433
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: And so people are always telling me how strong I am. Well,

434
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Speaker 1: guess what. People know how strong you are because of

435
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: how much you've had to go through and what you've

436
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: had to do. And so people who are strong probably

437
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: are you know, they're strong because they've had a lot

438
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: of struggle. And just because they can survive that struggle

439
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that inside they are not also still struggling.

440
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: So side note, check on everybody, the strong ones, and

441
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: the person that teaching max and the person on the

442
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: side the road. All people ask all the questions, the

443
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: people that are begging for attention, check on them too.

444
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: So one of the last things I want to talk

445
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: about because this is something that is not normally talked about,

446
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: and so people might not know if somebody does say

447
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: like I'm really struggling and no, I'm not doing well,

448
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 1: or if you yourself are really struggling not doing well,

449
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 1: what our thing is that we can offer to our

450
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: friends after we do the hey, how are you? How

451
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 1: can we support somebody who's struggling, and also can we

452
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: talk about some resources for those who are Yeah, definitely.

453
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,719
Speaker 1: So I think if you know, if you hear that

454
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: somebody is if they say I'm not doing okay, you know,

455
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: ask follow up questions like what's been going on lately?

456
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: How can I support you? It's okay to not always

457
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: have the answer. And I think that's something that as

458
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: a society we struggle with because we always want to

459
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 1: have something to say yeah, but we don't. And I've

460
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: learned that a lot of our friends are really good

461
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: at that. And it may be that you say I

462
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: don't know what you need right now, but can you

463
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 1: tell me or how can I how can I support?

464
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 1: Can I help? What do you need? You know? And

465
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: then follow up with them like, don't let it just

466
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 1: be a one time thing where you ask that question,

467
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: keep asking those questions, keep checking in good point. So

468
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: it's okay to not know what to do next. It's

469
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: okay to not have the answer in life in general.

470
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: Let's like make that a thing. In this instance especially,

471
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: there's nothing that you can say to remove those thoughts

472
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: or feelings from the person, and so there's not going

473
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: to be a perfect follow up anything. But you've been

474
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: there and continuing to be there and say how can

475
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: I support you? Could be the biggest difference, yes, because

476
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: not everyone feels supported in the same way, and so

477
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: we can't be like, do you want to go for

478
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: a walk? I mean you can, you can offer that,

479
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 1: but you can you know you can also walk. Now

480
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: you don't feel good, we have to go on a walk.

481
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: But I know that we probably feel supported in different ways,

482
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: and everyone feels supported in a different way, So ask that.

483
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: Because you can't read people's bonds, you've got to ask

484
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: those questions, Well, you know what makes me think of us?

485
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: And there's things that we've been through. I remember when

486
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: you are going through something one time, you're not as

487
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: much as a verbal processor as I might be. So

488
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: what Taylor needed in her moment was she needed to

489
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: be alone, and then she wanted to go out to

490
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: eat to her favorite restaurant and was Chili's or we

491
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: go to Chewi's. I don't know what time you're talking about,

492
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: but but that's what you wanted to do. And when

493
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time, when I'm struggling, I want

494
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: to talk about it and I want to say the

495
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: same thing over and over again, probably and I don't

496
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: want to go eat. I don't want to go in public,

497
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: and I also don't want to be alone. So Taylor

498
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: needed to take a beat by herself, have her moment,

499
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: and then she wanted to go be with her friends

500
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: and her scale of cookie, our scale cookie. So I

501
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: think that that that's important, Like there's not the right thing,

502
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: but what we probably both did in those circumstances was

503
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: what do you feel like you need right now? And

504
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: so I think that that just you saying that was

505
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,479
Speaker 1: really big deal for anything, but especially this of like

506
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: because people don't ask the question, they don't go there

507
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: because they're like, well, I won't know what to do.

508
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: I guess what you think. Well, listen to an extent,

509
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,239
Speaker 1: I have some knowledge on what to do and how

510
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: to help people. But when it comes to my clients,

511
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what they need all the time because

512
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: they're all different. They're all different. But there's no way

513
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: in heck I'm going to just ignore an issue that's

514
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: happening because I'm afraid that I won't know what to do. Yeah,

515
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes too, we have to be aware

516
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: of the fact that people are going to say I

517
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: don't know what I need right now, and that's okay.

518
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: And sometimes just being present. You don't have to necessarily talk,

519
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: but just being present and just being in the room

520
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: with them and sitting in with them through whatever they're

521
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: going through could be a game changer. And I think

522
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: it's also something that we can do is like build

523
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: upon that person's streets, like what they do well and

524
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: tell them that. And you know, it doesn't have to

525
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: be in a cheesy way of like oh, Catherine, like

526
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 1: you're a way better podcaster than me, and like you know,

527
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: you can really talk to people, but like you can

528
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: just have like a normal conversation and be like, hey,

529
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: remember that time you did this. I really appreciated that,

530
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, like just kind of fine something to bring

531
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: into casual conversation about what you appreciate about that person.

532
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: You know what we should be doing that in again,

533
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: in general, more we should be telling the people in

534
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: our lives why we appreciate them more often. Yes, we

535
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: really should, not just because I crave words of affirmation,

536
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: but because if no one on the room and tell

537
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: me when they love about me, said in a choking way,

538
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: but I also enjoyed the compliments. There's nothing wrong with that.

539
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that. If you need that in

540
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: your life, you better ask for what you need. You

541
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: won't get what you need unless you ask for a

542
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: lot of I say that because some people do not know.

543
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 1: They really don't know the things that they might have

544
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: done that meant a lot to you. I might have

545
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: done something for you that to me was like second nature,

546
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: but to you you're like, oh my gosh, that person

547
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: that meant so much. Right, So I think it's important

548
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: to just like, in general, like we shouldn't be holding

549
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: all this stuff inside of us. If somebody is important

550
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: to you, let them know. It could be literally life

551
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: or death when it comes to this stuff. People might

552
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: think or feel purposeless and disconnected, but they don't realize

553
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: that there's so many people that benefit from having them

554
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: in their life. Yes. Also, if you're listening and you

555
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: feel like I can't afford therapy or I can't afford

556
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: the help that I need. If you do feel like

557
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: you need to go somewhere in patient for more intensive treatment,

558
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: there are options out there. Don't let that be a

559
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: deterrent to getting the help that you need. In Tennessee,

560
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: we have what is called the Behavioral Health Safety Net.

561
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 1: If you have no insurance and you need support, you

562
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: can get it. You know that there are programs through

563
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: the state to give you the help that you need.

564
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: And they're created because there are people in the world

565
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: that don't even know you that believe that your life

566
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: is important. Yes, and I think that's really freaking. That

567
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: is it is, and people are out there advocating for

568
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: more and more support every single day. You know, of course,

569
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: there is the the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, so it's

570
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: one eight hundred two seven three talk and Talk is

571
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: eight to five five, So one hundred to seven three,

572
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: eight to five five. Everything is confidential when you call

573
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: into those lines. Every area also has their own crisis

574
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: line for crisis response, and that's something I think we

575
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: should also kind of touch based on two because if

576
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: you're having that conversation with a friend and they tell

577
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: you like, yes, I am am having thoughts of hurting myself,

578
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: and ask a follow up question for that is have

579
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: you thought about ways you could do it? And if

580
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: they say yes, what is that way that you've thought about?

581
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: And if they say, well, I've thought about, you know,

582
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: taking a bunch of pills, do you have access to that?

583
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: You're wanting to ask those follow up questions of like, yes,

584
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: I want to hurt myself. What way do you have

585
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: you thought about? How? What way do you want to

586
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: do it? And do you have access? And if those

587
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: questions are all yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, then you

588
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: need to call some body because at some point you

589
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: as the friend, you as the friend, need to call

590
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: somebody because at some points, outside of your scope is

591
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: outside of what you can help them with. So you

592
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: want to make sure that you call that you know,

593
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: that crisis line, or you call you know, you say

594
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: can we take you somewhere? You know? Here in Tennessee again,

595
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: we have what's called the Crisis Stabilization Unit, which is

596
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: free to people that don't have insurance, and it is

597
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: a short term stabilization for people that are in crisis.

598
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: You would get therapy, you would get medication management, and

599
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: they would set you up with follow up services. There's

600
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: something that you can also do called a wellness check.

601
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: What I know of a wellness check is you can

602
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: call the non emergency line. You don't have to call

603
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: nine one one. You can call nine one one and

604
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: they will send someone to the home to check on

605
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: that individual. It is typically law enforcement that will respond

606
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: mental health rather than a mental health provider, but law

607
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: enforcement has done a really good job and a lot

608
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: of states, not is not everywhere, but there is a

609
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: big push to get mental health providers to respond with

610
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: law enforcement or law enforcement knows to call mobile crisis

611
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: if they get there and there is a concern for

612
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: someone harming themselves. Okay, and and and so I'm glad

613
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: that you've said all of that, because if you are

614
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: fearful for a person in your life, like there are

615
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: things that you can do. If they're not willing to

616
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: reach out for help, there's things that you can do

617
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: to provide them help and support. Yes, and again, if

618
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: we go back to like, well, I don't want to

619
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: ask those questions because I don't want to put a

620
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: plan in their head. I don't want to make them

621
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: think of it. If they haven't thought of it, they'll

622
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: say no. And if they have, they've already thought about it.

623
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: You're not implanting that you're possibly saving their life. And

624
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: if they say, yes, this is how I do it?

625
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: Do you have the means for that? And let's say

626
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: it's pills, okay, can I hold those for you for

627
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: right now? That can lead you to essentially saving your

628
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: friend or family members or human You might not even

629
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: know this person's life right And I remember I was

630
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: having a really bad day one day. I had, you know,

631
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: just to says somebody, and had to send them, you know,

632
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: to get treatment, to get help. And I was feeling

633
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: really down about it because I was like I just

634
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: ruined their day. And I had a coworker respond to

635
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: me and say, no, you just saved their life and

636
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: you changed you all. I can't remember exactly how she

637
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: worded it, but the co worker said, how I have

638
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: to reframe for myself because sometimes people get really mad

639
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: at you when you're trying to help them, and in

640
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: the moment, they're not going to be happy that you're

641
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: because it might not feel like help to them, it

642
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: might help to them would be going back to the

643
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: burning building. Help to them as different because they don't

644
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: see the hope that you see, right, And the coworker

645
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: said something along the lines of it might have ruined

646
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: their day, but it changed the course of their life

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Speaker 1: and it also made their family members days better because

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Speaker 1: that person, you know, it could have affected so many people.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense? And it makes me think of

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Speaker 1: like to be a good therapist, I have to be

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Speaker 1: willing to allow my clients to be mad at me,

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Speaker 1: Like I've had clients who have left pissed off, right,

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Speaker 1: clients have run away from treatment when I was working

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Speaker 1: at the treatment center. I've had slam my door, fuck you.

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Speaker 1: I've had it all happen. But have to be willing

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Speaker 1: to do that because I Am not going to just

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Speaker 1: ignore their needs. And that's what you're doing as well.

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Speaker 1: Your job is really hard because people don't always think

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Speaker 1: that them staying in their life is the best option.

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Speaker 1: But you can see the hope that they can't see,

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Speaker 1: and so you might piss them off in the moment,

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Speaker 1: but guess what, when they actually get better and find healing,

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Speaker 1: you are going to be like a hero in their story. Yes,

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Speaker 1: having those conversations is not always going to be warm

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Speaker 1: and fuzzy. I don't expect it to always be happy,

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Speaker 1: but it is going to make a difference, all right. So,

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Speaker 1: and the last thing I want to say as we

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Speaker 1: close this out is I don't know if anybody has

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Speaker 1: ever seen this. I'm sure some of you have seen this,

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Speaker 1: but if you've ever seen a semi colon anywhere, like

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Speaker 1: a tattoo, or like a shirt or a bracelet or

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Speaker 1: a sign or whatever, that is a symbol for surviving

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Speaker 1: a suicide, a suicide attempt, or depression or suicidal thoughts.

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Speaker 1: And what it stands for is like a moment of

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Speaker 1: pause where a sentence could have been ended, but it

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Speaker 1: keeps going and there's like a whole continuation of the sentence.

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Speaker 1: And So if you ever see somebody with a tattoo

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Speaker 1: like that, or like a shirt or whatever, like give

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Speaker 1: them an extra smile. Yes, I would say yes. And

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Speaker 1: at the same time, like, if you're somebody who's struggling now,

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Speaker 1: because it feels like we're speaking to the friend or

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00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: the family member or the whatever, but we're also speaking

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Speaker 1: to you. If you're struggling now, that like you might

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Speaker 1: not be able to see that there's a continuation in this.

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Speaker 1: Your story is not over. But I promise you there

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Speaker 1: are people that don't even know you that do see that.

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Speaker 1: And so, um, if you're somebody who is actually really

688
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Speaker 1: feeling down or needing help or needing a needing attention

689
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: or needing connection, there is hope for you too. And

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Speaker 1: so we're going to put that hotline number. We'll put

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Speaker 1: the national one in the show notes. Um, and just

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Speaker 1: know that you could google like crisis hotline in my state,

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Speaker 1: in my city, and you could find something, because sometimes

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Speaker 1: I do know that it feels like there's nobody around

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Speaker 1: you that you know that you can reach out to,

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Speaker 1: and there's always somebody available there. Yes, all right, well Taylor,

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Speaker 1: thank you for doing this. Lasted a lot longer than

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Speaker 1: I thought you were going. Really yeah. I mean I

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Speaker 1: think that we could talk about this for hours before

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Speaker 1: we started. I was like, it only has to be

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Speaker 1: like thirty minutes to like, which felt like tortured me.

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Speaker 1: It's been much longer than that. But thank you for

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Speaker 1: doing your job and being the human you are and

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Speaker 1: being my friend and for having me on. You know,

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Speaker 1: I would say we'll have you back. But it wasn't

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Speaker 1: bad actually walking to your friend friend. This is just

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Speaker 1: talking to your friend with a microphone. Yes, it was that,

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00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: like thousands of people. Well then hear the conversation that

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00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: it's only my mom. Well your mom is going to hear. Yeah,

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00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: you're right. We're only going to send this to them,

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00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: So don't worry about it. Um Now we're setting this

712
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Speaker 1: to everybody because this is helpful and it's just going

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Speaker 1: to help a lot of people, and it's going to

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00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: help people feel seen and feel understood, and it's going

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Speaker 1: to help people help other people feel seen and understood.

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Speaker 1: Care for Thank you. Uh So, I know this was

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00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: like a heavier and bigger issue than we normally talk about,

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00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: and I think that that's okay, and that's important. And

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Speaker 1: the whole point of this podcast when I started it

720
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Speaker 1: was so we could start having conversations that are more

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00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: meaningful and might be a little bit more scary more

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00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: often in the world. So this is kind of like

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Speaker 1: the meat of the work that this podcast was created

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Speaker 1: to do. So thank you guys for being part of

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Speaker 1: our familiar here. And you know what, We're just gonna

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Speaker 1: leave you with. I hope you're you have the day

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Speaker 1: that you need to have today, whatever that may be.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have to be good, doesn't have to be bad,

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00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: just needs to be what you need. Have a day,

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Speaker 1: Have a day by two three