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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Well, on the podcast, a lot of times you hear

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Speaker 2: us talking about health. And a few years back, I

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Speaker 2: was talking to someone here locally that was kind of

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Speaker 2: in the homeopathic world, and he said.

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Speaker 1: Something to me.

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Speaker 2: He said, you know, in the United States, we have

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Speaker 2: sick care. We don't have health care. We call it healthcare,

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Speaker 2: but it's actually sick care. And as I've kind of

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Speaker 2: pulled back the layers of that onion, I keep noticing.

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Speaker 1: That we are making ourselves sick.

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Speaker 2: Or I would say there are even organizations and companies

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Speaker 2: out there that know that they're making us sick, and

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Speaker 2: they're kind of benefiting off of each other. And I

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Speaker 2: just keep digging into this and finding more. Well, we

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Speaker 2: have talked to Calli Means on this program a lot

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Speaker 2: about this, his sister. He's mentioned his sister multiple times,

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Speaker 2: and his sister is here with us today. I'm really

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Speaker 2: excited about it. She's a Stanford trained physician and the

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Speaker 2: co founder of Levels. You've heard him talk about that.

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Speaker 2: It's a health technology company with the mission of reversing

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Speaker 2: the world meta babolic health crisis.

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Speaker 1: She's also the author of.

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Speaker 2: The brand New Number one New York Times best selling

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Speaker 2: book Good Energy, The Surprising Connection between Metabolism and Limitless Health. Casey,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so thrilled

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Speaker 3: to be here.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was honestly reading through your book and

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Speaker 2: I'm just I just feel like this is something that

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Speaker 2: we need to be talking about. And as I kind

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Speaker 2: of am in those different stages of life, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think when you're younger, you don't really think about

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Speaker 2: your health, and you're having kids and everything feels like

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Speaker 2: it's going well, and then you may not know my story.

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Speaker 2: At thirty eight, I had breast cancer and that kind

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Speaker 2: of was a huge shock. I didn't have any history

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Speaker 2: of it in my family. It was just the doctors

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Speaker 2: are going, oh, did you do this?

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Speaker 1: Did you do that?

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Speaker 2: And we have no idea why that happened. However, as

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Speaker 2: I'm aging, I'm watching my friends who are also getting

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Speaker 2: cancers and getting sick and having heart disease. And I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're in our forties and it seems like I gets

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Speaker 2: hitting us harder and harder. You have some interesting suggestions

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Speaker 2: in here. How did you get into this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I had a circuitous route. I did

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Speaker 3: the totally conventional path Stanford Medical school training as ahead

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Speaker 3: and next surgeon, you know, doing what we would all

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Speaker 3: consider sort of like climbing the ranks of the traditional

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Speaker 3: American healthcare system, and was such a believer in it.

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Speaker 3: And when I was about nine years into my surgical training,

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Speaker 3: my medical school and my training, I kind of was

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Speaker 3: looking around me.

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Speaker 3: Popped up for a little bit from the day to

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Speaker 3: day of the eighty hours a week just cutting into

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Speaker 3: people NonStop in the operating room and kind of looking

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Speaker 3: around me and looking at the trends of American health.

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Speaker 3: And like you said, they're not good. They're not good

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Speaker 3: at all. We're actually getting sicker as a country every

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Speaker 3: single year. The data is overwhelming. This is you just

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Speaker 3: spoke about cancer. We are estimated to have two million

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Speaker 3: new cases of cancer in the US this year. That's

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Speaker 3: the highest rate ever reported in history. And it's hitting

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Speaker 3: the young in disproportionately. And then you look at all

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Speaker 3: the different chronic lifestyle diseases. Type two diabetes and pre

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Speaker 3: diabetes is hitting fifty percent of the country now and

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Speaker 3: thirty percent of teens. This is wild heart disease mostly

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Speaker 3: preventable leading cause of death the United States growth men

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Speaker 3: everything's kind of going up all at once. And I

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Speaker 3: was sort of seeing this and thinking, Wow, I'm like

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Speaker 3: throat surgeon, literally not paid to think about any other

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Speaker 3: it's who else's job is it to stand up and say, like,

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Speaker 3: what are we missing here? What is the elephant in

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Speaker 3: four point three trillion dollars each year going up every year,

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Speaker 3: so that was the question I really devoted my life

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Speaker 3: getting so sick? And the answer to that question is

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Speaker 3: actually so much simpler than I think every institution wants

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Speaker 3: the modern Western American world is absolutely crushing our cellular health,

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Speaker 3: and almost all of us are developing metabolic dysfunction. And

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Speaker 3: so metabolism is really this unifying principle that the science

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Speaker 3: of the tree of all these American diseases, and unfortunately

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Speaker 3: it's the biggest lind spot in healthcare. And yeah, so

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Speaker 3: that's what it was. Just me.

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Speaker 2: There was so much that went into that things that

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Speaker 2: I mean, things that used to just happen for us,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, man, we are just bombarded with things that

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Speaker 2: we weren't ten years ago. I wanted to mention you

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Speaker 2: mom to pancreatic cancer. I lost my grandmother to pancreatic cancer.

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Speaker 2: when my grandmother had it years ago, they were like, oh,

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Speaker 2: yet it seems like we're reversing, we're getting we're dying younger.

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Speaker 2: So tell me a little bit about metabolism, because I,

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Speaker 2: And I was just actually talking to somebody about this today.

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Speaker 2: You can't warn people about this because you always think,

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Speaker 2: The one thing that you don't come with your own handbook.

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Speaker 2: You have no idea how to reverse or how to

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Speaker 2: So give us some of those keys that you have

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Speaker 1: Our bodies are getting sick. I guess I should say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean hopefully the hope with this book

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Speaker 3: just we aren't born with. Right, we get that handbook

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Speaker 3: and the body, as we talked about, it's facing challenges

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Speaker 3: of unpeeling the onion is to just really recognize that

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Speaker 3: the world around us has change. It's so different than

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Speaker 3: And so I look at food, I look at our sleep, habits,

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Speaker 3: just our medications, So like, what are we taking that

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Speaker 3: stock of like where could I be doing more to

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Speaker 3: support my cellular health. Fundamentally, health is about meeting the

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Speaker 3: needs of your cells and not overburdening them with too

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Speaker 3: those different vectors. That's what it is, and unfortunately the

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Speaker 3: healthcare conversation has made it seem so confusing, and really

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Speaker 3: So the main things I would say, like the foundation

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Speaker 2: how what do I not know how to eat unprocessed food?

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Speaker 3: No, No, I mean this is I totally understand. We're

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Speaker 3: we should actually never be eating any of it. I

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Speaker 3: like to think of it as it's a seventy five

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Speaker 3: to get to your question, what do you actually do?

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Speaker 3: It's all about swaps. You know, there are so many

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Speaker 3: swaps these days that are better for you options. For instance,

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Speaker 3: flax seed crackers, so like they're still crunchy, they're a cracker.

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Speaker 3: You can dip things, but they're totally unprocessed. Actually it's

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Speaker 3: just flax seeds, water and apple side or vinegar and

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Speaker 3: knowing how to essentially take what you or your kids

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Speaker 3: slightly healthier option. There's lots of packaged food that actual

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Speaker 3: ingredients and there's more than five and it's things you

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Speaker 2: I mean, because I think that that's kind of a

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Speaker 2: When I look around at young people today, I mean

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Speaker 3: those incentives, it's going to be very difficult to get

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Speaker 3: Americans healthy.

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Speaker 1: Well that's another thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many gosh, I feel like we're

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Speaker 2: going to have to have a follow up to this

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Speaker 2: because there's a few of those things that I want

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Speaker 2: to touch on. One of those is stress, because you

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Speaker 2: put a big emphasis on stress. And I was just

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Speaker 2: sitting this morning talking to a friend and I was like,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I had this epiphany last night, which

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Speaker 2: that sounds so stupid because why wouldn't I. But after

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Speaker 2: I'm going through all of this and I'm realizing I'm

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Speaker 2: constantly connected. Like at night, I think I'll just relax

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Speaker 2: by scrolling through my phone right before I go to sleep,

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Speaker 2: And yet I'm not relaxed, especially in the world of politics. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: I'm in politics every day most of the day, and

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Speaker 2: I never was as a kid. I never thought about politics.

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Speaker 2: In college, I never thought about politics. I mean at manufacturing,

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Speaker 2: I never really thought deeply about politics. I didn't have to.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't thrown at me all the time. It was

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Speaker 2: like when I had to research that person that I

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Speaker 2: wanted to vote for, I research them. Politics has become

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Speaker 2: another industry of addiction, where I think that the combination

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Speaker 2: of big tech in politics has gotten to this point

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Speaker 2: where people are constantly seeking what's happening next, what's going

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Speaker 2: on with the Hunter Biden trial, what's going on with

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Speaker 2: the Trump trial, what's happening in the election, And it's

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Speaker 2: never there's never an answer, there's not a solution. Like

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Speaker 2: in life, in business, we have solutions, Okay, this is

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Speaker 2: the answer, and we move on. In politics, it's ever changing,

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Speaker 2: it's constant, it's a tug at your heart constantly, and

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Speaker 2: I think that in combination with the light that you're

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Speaker 2: talking about at night, And I do think those two

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Speaker 2: are connected because generally, if you are on your phone

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Speaker 2: at night, you are reading news, you are in some

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Speaker 2: sort of stressful world. I mean, outside of maybe going

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Speaker 2: into a Netflix or watching a movie at night, you

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Speaker 2: are probably doom scrolling. And we call it that because

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Speaker 2: it causes a massive amount of stress. So how much

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Speaker 2: have those organizations connected? Because once you have that amount

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Speaker 2: of stress, then you feel like I've got to find

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Speaker 2: something to relieve this stress, and then you go to

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Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical industry or food one of the two.

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Speaker 3: Right it is. It is a difficult spiral and it's

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Speaker 3: the same business model right as food and healthcare. It's

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Speaker 3: like they know how to exploit our dope mean loops, right,

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Speaker 3: and how to get us coming back for more. There's

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Speaker 3: amazing you know books about this dope mean Nation by

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Speaker 3: doctor An Lemkey, Hacking of the American Mind by doctor

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Speaker 3: Robert Lustig. It's really like our attention is the profit

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Speaker 3: center for these huge, huge industries and they know exactly

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Speaker 3: how to get us coming back for more. So I'm

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Speaker 3: just all this is so funny that you're mentioning that

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Speaker 3: because I actually bought a phone safe that I cannot

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Speaker 3: you cannot open it. It's impos unless the time is up.

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Speaker 3: And so that's like one of the ways that literally

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Speaker 3: for myself personally, I lock my phone in the safe

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Speaker 3: before I get into bed at night so that I

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Speaker 3: cannot look at the phone but I'm in bed because

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Speaker 3: these things are strong, these grips, but more probably on

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Speaker 3: stressed the framework that I think about it again, it's

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Speaker 3: I always am thinking about the cell and like, because fundamentally,

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Speaker 3: if our cells are working properly, we have help. That's

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Speaker 3: our health is just the bubbling up of what our

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Speaker 3: forty trillion cells are doing. Our cells biochemically. I devote

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Speaker 3: a whole chapter and my vote to this. Are constantly

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Speaker 3: listening through neurotransmitters and hormones to like sort of what's

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Speaker 3: happening in the environment. Is it safe? Is it not safe?

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Speaker 3: Is there something urgent I need to attend to And

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Speaker 3: if the cells are getting that signal that there is

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Speaker 3: something urgent and there might not be something safe in

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Speaker 3: the surroundings, which is basically what the news is telling

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Speaker 3: us all the time. You know, war and drama and

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Speaker 3: all of this, the cells will channel energy towards defense, alarm,

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Speaker 3: and inflammation away from homeostasis, rebuilding and thriving. So part

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Speaker 3: of our responsibility, as like the autonomous self with agency

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Speaker 3: who can make choices, is to think of what do

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Speaker 3: I need to do with my boundaries around technology and

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Speaker 3: the way that I think about the fear triggers in

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Speaker 3: my life are stress triggers to basically create a sense

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Speaker 3: of safety for myselves. And that might be just like

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Speaker 3: really putting some of the information stream away because you

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Speaker 3: can't fool the body, right, like if you are constantly

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Speaker 3: seeing that information going into your eyes, like the body

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Speaker 3: is sensing that something is not safe, and that totally

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Speaker 3: changes our biology. And so I think that you know, that,

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Speaker 3: coupled with the blue light blasting into the eye, which

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Speaker 3: really has a very negative impact on our circadian rhythms,

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Speaker 3: and the melatonin, which is this restorative hormone that helps

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Speaker 3: us fall asleep and actually get the most out of sleep,

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Speaker 3: it's basically destroying these few hours of RESTful time that

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Speaker 3: we have at night to clear out you know, for instance,

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Speaker 3: the cancer cells that develop in all of our bodies

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Speaker 3: during the day, like the sleep is when we That's.

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Speaker 2: What I think people don't understand. These things are building up.

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Speaker 2: Your body is built to flush them out, but we

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Speaker 2: are not taking that time to do that.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 1: a Tutor Dixon podcast.

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Speaker 2: I think the message that I took away the most

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Speaker 2: from your book is it's not just that you have

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Speaker 2: to that you are you need to try to make

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Speaker 2: these changes in your life. It's that you need to

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Speaker 2: understand what your body is telling you, because your body

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Speaker 2: is telling you these things. When you're feeling run down,

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Speaker 2: when you're feeling inflamed, when you're feeling stressed, when you

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Speaker 2: feel tired, all of those things, they're not happening because

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Speaker 2: you just are an anomaly. They're happening because of the

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Speaker 2: way you're living your life.

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Speaker 1: And it's not because you are a bad person.

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Speaker 2: It's because this is all thrown at us and we

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Speaker 2: don't have that guide book. And so I really I

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Speaker 2: want to have you back because there's so much I

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Speaker 2: want to have a part too, because I want to

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Speaker 2: dig into some of the things that you have in

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Speaker 2: the book. But I do want you to promote the

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Speaker 2: book right now and tell folks where to get it,

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Speaker 2: because I thought that was when you said that, well,

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Speaker 2: this is the guidebook. I'm like, gosh, we need we

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Speaker 2: have a guidebook for everything, for our car, for our refrigerator,

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Speaker 2: for everything, but not our bodies. And this is the

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Speaker 2: guide book. So tell us where people can get it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. So it's called Good Energy, The Surprising Connection

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Speaker 3: between Metabolism and Limitless Health, and it's everywhere. Books are

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Speaker 3: sold Barnes and Noble, Amazon, small bookstores. It's coming soon

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Speaker 3: to airports, to Hudson News, which I'm so excited about,

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Speaker 3: but really anywhere. And then my website is caseymeans dot

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Speaker 3: com and that's the hub for all my social media

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Speaker 3: and you can buy the book there and all of it.

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Speaker 3: But and I have a newsletter that comes out called

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Speaker 3: Good Energy Living that share a lot of sort of

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Speaker 3: the more week to week stuff digged about with health

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Speaker 3: and metabolic health. So happy to come back for a

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Speaker 3: round two anytime and just dig.

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Speaker 2: In more going to I mean, because there is nothing

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Speaker 2: more important than having good energy in our lives. And

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Speaker 2: I say that from a standpoint of feeling all of

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Speaker 2: those changes as you age and you're going through different

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Speaker 2: hormonal changes, and I'm like I have been told there

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Speaker 2: are things that you can do to try to adjust,

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Speaker 2: but how do I know? And here it is, so

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Speaker 2: I want everybody to know. So definitely, let's have you back.

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Speaker 2: Casey means thank you so much, thank you so much, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor

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Speaker 2: Dixon Podcast. But this episode and others go to Tutor

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Speaker 2: dixonpodcast dot com or head over to the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and join

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Speaker 2: us next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Have a blessing,