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Speaker 6: It is Wednesday, November twentieth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,
Speaker 6: episode number seventy one. Welcome to the latest edition of
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Speaker 6: Nick's not with us today. He's got some responsibilities. He's
Speaker 6: handling an open locker room which is happening right now,
Speaker 6: So we'll.
Speaker 2: Hold it down for today. We got a lot to
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 6: We'll talk about the Commander's offense and how they'll match
Speaker 6: up against this Dallas defense. But before we go, there
Speaker 6: lots of injury updates. There are a lot of things
Speaker 6: happening on the injury front. For the Cowboys. And so
Speaker 6: I'm gonna run down a list of guys, Brian, and
Speaker 6: I don't know. There are may be some that we
Speaker 6: have some answers on there, maybe some we've had some
Speaker 6: reports on. Sure, maybe some of you're like, we just
Speaker 6: don't know right now. And that's okay too, Zach, let's
Speaker 6: sell it, Zach Martin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's dealing with a lot of things. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: so that one they're they're a little bit worried about
Speaker 3: this week. Really too many to name all the things
Speaker 3: he's dealing with. And in a way you feel sorry
Speaker 3: for a warrior like that that's just happened to you
Speaker 3: battle through things. But it's like you know, when you ask,
Speaker 3: it's which one which injury? You know, And so that
Speaker 3: that would be one I think that has a little
Speaker 3: concern this week. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I started feeling bad because I forgot who I was
Speaker 4: talking to yesterday and he got me thinking it was
Speaker 4: in the topic about him, and I started thinking, man,
Speaker 4: here we are criticizing like how bad he's playing this
Speaker 4: year and probably not knowing to the extent that he's
Speaker 4: actually dealing with all these injuries, and like how much
Speaker 4: I mean, clearly is affecting him, but the reason of
Speaker 4: it not really being his fault, and he's just trying
Speaker 4: his best to be out there and do what he
Speaker 4: can despite all these different pains that he's dealing with.
Speaker 4: So it's just one of those things that it sucks
Speaker 4: either way because you don't want to see him playing
Speaker 4: that way. But at the same time, it's like, damn,
Speaker 4: you gotta give credit to and like respect that he's
Speaker 4: actually tried so.
Speaker 3: Hard show over back ankles, knee. I mean yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, you're better off name in which body parts
Speaker 3: aren't hood as opposed to which ones are hurting, and
Speaker 3: it is. It's compromised him as a player. It really
Speaker 3: really has compromised him. And you know, unfortunately that's uh,
Speaker 3: you know, we've we've seen that kind of happen here.
Speaker 3: Remember with Travis Frederick a little bit when he had
Speaker 3: the illness and then the next year he tried to
Speaker 3: play and he just wasn't the same Travis Frederick. And
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like that that maybe Zach Martin
Speaker 3: is kind of feeling the same things right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to you go and listen to Storyline
Speaker 6: with with Nick Eaman and Nick tells his story about
Speaker 6: It's a story that Darren Woodson told him about when his.
Speaker 2: Career, when he knew his career was oh yeah, and how.
Speaker 6: He's batting through all these injuries and just trying to
Speaker 6: get back on the field.
Speaker 2: And he had this.
Speaker 6: Moment with with britt the the athletic trainer here Brown, Yeah,
Speaker 6: and and and they were both kind of going through
Speaker 6: these drills and it just wasn't and they both kind
Speaker 6: of looked at each other at the same time, and
Speaker 6: and Darren was like, it's over, ain't it. He was like, yeah, man, yes,
Speaker 6: this is it. And so I think that's the hard
Speaker 6: part for any player when you there's you know, father
Speaker 6: times undefeated, right right, and there's comes a time when
Speaker 6: your body just won't let you do it anymore. And
Speaker 6: I'm not trying to prematurely retire Zach Martin. What I
Speaker 6: am saying is yeah, but what I am saying is
Speaker 6: that there's a certain amount of respect that he's we
Speaker 6: have to call what we call what we see when
Speaker 6: we see play, we have to give an opinion, of
Speaker 6: an honest opinion about what we're seeing. But at the
Speaker 6: same time, there's a love of respect for that man
Speaker 6: because of what he's done to this point, and then
Speaker 6: you give him deference for the fact that, yeah, it
Speaker 6: might not look great on the field right now, but
Speaker 6: he's battling. He's battling with everything he's got and and
Speaker 6: you just see where it goes from there. You know,
Speaker 6: let's move on. Let's talk about Jake Ferguson. What are
Speaker 6: we hearing about him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think Jake Ferguson's going to play this week,
Speaker 3: and so that that, you know, he came out of
Speaker 3: the game after the interception. We talked about that a
Speaker 3: little bit yesterday and it doesn't look that he's going
Speaker 3: to be okay for this week.
Speaker 6: How did you assess Brevin s van Ford and Luke
Speaker 6: Schoonmaker this I.
Speaker 3: Think it was I think it was a positive game
Speaker 3: for both of us because I think both of them
Speaker 3: together had fourteen targets. But you know, span Ford is
Speaker 3: not a great catcher of the football. Schoonmaker has ability
Speaker 3: to catch the football. We've seen him be able to
Speaker 3: do that. He you know, he'll take a hit, you know,
Speaker 3: one of his better games. I think as a group together,
Speaker 3: it was one of their better games. When you start
Speaker 3: to talk about the young guys and what they were
Speaker 3: able to accomplish.
Speaker 7: YEP.
Speaker 2: About Tyler Smith.
Speaker 3: Tyler Smith should be okay this week from what I'm here.
Speaker 6: He did say in the locker room afterwards that that
Speaker 6: he felt pretty good. He didn't feel like he was
Speaker 6: he was really that right, So he said he expected
Speaker 6: everything he expected.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the word I got this morning, that they
Speaker 3: expected him to be ready to go.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Tyler Giden.
Speaker 3: Geiden should be okay to go as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's talk about Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 6: He both he and Marshawn Neelan they open their twenty
Speaker 6: one day window, either one of them you expect to
Speaker 6: be out there this week or do you think it's
Speaker 6: kind of a open the window, see how it goes.
Speaker 3: I think it's an open the window, but we might
Speaker 3: be the point now break glass in case of emergency
Speaker 3: and trying to get guys back to make to make
Speaker 3: up for all the guys you've lost. But my anticipation is,
Speaker 3: once you open that window, I mean it's gonna have
Speaker 3: to be you know, practicing, you know, you know, two
Speaker 3: three days it's not you know, well, hey, we'll just
Speaker 3: get them acclimated and even Mike McCarthy said yesterday, when
Speaker 3: you do this, it's when you have these guys back
Speaker 3: or get them back. You're not gonna play sixty plays anyway.
Speaker 3: So I think it's more about the acclamation than it
Speaker 3: is you know, right now, and then we'll see what happens. Man,
Speaker 3: it's unfortunate you got another you know you're gonna have
Speaker 3: a short week. You know, maybe it's a maybe you
Speaker 3: sacrifice this week to make sure you have guys for Thursday.
Speaker 3: You know, that's that's that's where you're really gonna need
Speaker 3: some healthy bodies if you can, if you can pull
Speaker 3: that off.
Speaker 6: Yeah, running these games so close together, it's it's a
Speaker 6: difficult injuries.
Speaker 3: When you're winning, it's you get into a flow. When
Speaker 3: you're losing, it's like bills coming at you know, when
Speaker 3: you when you don't have a job and you don't
Speaker 3: have money, bill show.
Speaker 2: Up great, analogy bill show up really really fast.
Speaker 3: When you've got a really healthy bank account, you're you know,
Speaker 3: you're on time with all your bills. It's like, oh man,
Speaker 3: did I pay that? Oh yeah, I can't. Okay, I
Speaker 3: gotta tell you know. But when you don't have that money,
Speaker 3: it seems like Bill show up every damn day.
Speaker 4: We also right now with this one, it's not so
Speaker 4: much the losing aspect of it is the injury part
Speaker 4: of it that you're like, oh my god, like I
Speaker 4: keep getting worried, are we going to have enough players
Speaker 4: to play again? Because they just keep dropping down and
Speaker 4: the I mean, the good thing is like now you
Speaker 4: can put you're potentially gonna start having some of these
Speaker 4: guys back, but you start getting some back and then
Speaker 4: keep adding so you're you're still losing more than what
Speaker 4: you're adding on. So that's just that's concerning there, because
Speaker 4: the health of the teams.
Speaker 3: Really does happen to teams that that aren't winning. I mean,
Speaker 3: you look at teams that I'm sure that everybody that's
Speaker 3: you know, struggling right now that are you know three
Speaker 3: and seven or four and six or two and whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, they they everybody's struggling with that
Speaker 3: right now. I Mean, you got the aspect of your
Speaker 3: not playing well, but you've also got the you're dealing
Speaker 3: with the injuries. Those are just that's the thing that's
Speaker 3: even that makes it even worse when you're trying to
Speaker 3: kind of play these games. You're right, Ambar, you look
Speaker 3: up and you know you're using three You know you're
Speaker 3: you're using all three of your activations off the practice
Speaker 3: squad to start a game. You know that's that's really
Speaker 3: no way to go.
Speaker 6: Let me ask you this this off this is an offshoot.
Speaker 6: But let's assume for a second that Cowboys come back
Speaker 6: from they get allowed all these guys back from injury, uh,
Speaker 6: and they start playing really, really well.
Speaker 2: Will you be more frustrated or will you be more happy?
Speaker 6: And what I mean by that is frustrated at man,
Speaker 6: if they didn't have all these injuries, they'd be in
Speaker 6: a much better position for the season or happy with
Speaker 6: the fact that, Okay, it really was just the injuries.
Speaker 6: It wasn't everything else that has been painted as maybe
Speaker 6: the problems.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was just that they were so bigged up.
Speaker 2: Which would you get which we did you feel more of?
Speaker 4: I'm not forgetting about those like two first games of
Speaker 4: the season when you have most of your starters still
Speaker 4: in there.
Speaker 2: But let's let's also be clear.
Speaker 6: We've seen this happen, not just with the Cowboys, but
Speaker 6: every team in the league. You get started sometimes and
Speaker 6: you lose some games, and then you get going or
Speaker 6: you start really hot sometimes and you fall off, Like
Speaker 6: I don't, I don't know that you would make you
Speaker 6: wouldn't necessarily make a determination about an eight a seventeen
Speaker 6: game season off of two or three.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm back to you because your point that where
Speaker 4: all the issues stems from is the offensive line, right,
Speaker 4: it's all question. I mean there, you have.
Speaker 8: Your guys there, so it's just I'm not buying it.
Speaker 2: That was the point.
Speaker 6: Like for me, I think the problem is still the past. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but I just want to see how you guys felt
Speaker 6: about it.
Speaker 3: I think Gambar's right. I think that you know, to me,
Speaker 3: the injuries are a part of this, especially ashen you're
Speaker 3: starting quarterback. I would feel better about it if Dak
Speaker 3: was back or was playing and they played better overall,
Speaker 3: maybe like with the rain. Did you know the Rams
Speaker 3: came here last year, took a loss and then I
Speaker 3: think there were three and three and six at the time,
Speaker 3: and then went on a run, you know, and and
Speaker 3: everything kind of then they got you know, got in
Speaker 3: the playoffs and all on. You're kind of like, wow,
Speaker 3: you know, you would feel better that way, but no,
Speaker 3: they they you know, there's a lot of things that
Speaker 3: are not We're not right about this football team and
Speaker 3: I and I take responsibility too because of the platforms
Speaker 3: I have and talking about it on a daily basis.
Speaker 3: There's things that you know that you look at and
Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, this looks right, this looks right then,
Speaker 3: and it really wasn't right. Just as badly as I've misevaluated,
Speaker 3: I think the guys and gals across the hall did
Speaker 3: as well. You know, there's things they do the autopsy
Speaker 3: on this season, and likely it's not going to be
Speaker 3: a very good ending, you know, with your starting quarterback
Speaker 3: being out and dealing with all the things you're dealing with.
Speaker 3: But when they do the autopsy, they've got to go
Speaker 3: back and look at, Okay, what were the things that
Speaker 3: we really believed in when we went into the season.
Speaker 3: I'm not And you know, the possibility of having a
Speaker 3: new coaching staff, if the new if this daft gets
Speaker 3: to come back, you know you have to. You know,
Speaker 3: Mike always talks about what we have to do and evaluate.
Speaker 3: You know, you're gonna have to do a real, real
Speaker 3: deep evaluation of why you thought certain things were going
Speaker 3: to work. And and that's I think that's where I'm
Speaker 3: at right now with his football team. I do. I
Speaker 3: feel bad for fans. I feel like I let him
Speaker 3: down in some ways that you know, talking about players
Speaker 3: in a way of like, hey, they're going to rely
Speaker 3: on this guy, and this guy looks okay, and they
Speaker 3: could you know this could be you know, the tight
Speaker 3: end room wasn't good enough, the wide receivers behind Lamb
Speaker 3: weren't good enough, The running back situation wasn't good enough,
Speaker 3: the offensive line wasn't good enough. You mean you didn't
Speaker 3: expect the fall off of Martin the way it was.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was trying to figure out how A
Speaker 3: and I s Mark slarep this question yesterday on one
Speaker 3: O five three of the Fan. How does a team
Speaker 3: that's the second overall seed in the playoffs in the
Speaker 3: NFC turn into a team it's likely going to be
Speaker 3: picking in the top five of the NFL draft.
Speaker 2: How does that happen?
Speaker 3: And that's the autopsy that you're gonna have to do
Speaker 3: right now. You're going to have to figure that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to know.
Speaker 6: One of the interesting things I think that happened here
Speaker 6: is I think this is a situation where none of
Speaker 6: the individual players that they lost last year were players
Speaker 6: that we looked at and said, oh my gosh, wow,
Speaker 6: what are you gonna.
Speaker 3: Do about that misvaluation?
Speaker 6: But no, But my point is, I don't know that
Speaker 6: it was a misevaluation. As much as this may have
Speaker 6: been a situation where sometimes the individual issues are not
Speaker 6: as big, the cumulative is what becomes the problem. And
Speaker 6: maybe that's the issue, is that they lost so much
Speaker 6: talent that it's more than cumultive.
Speaker 2: It changed the maybe it changed the locker room.
Speaker 6: Maybe it changed your ability to absorb some of the injuries,
Speaker 6: because I know that's one thing we did talk about.
Speaker 2: You didn't really lose a lot of your frontline players.
Speaker 2: You lost your depth.
Speaker 6: And what we're seeing, especially at the defensive end position,
Speaker 6: like if you would have had these injuries, these same
Speaker 6: injuries on the defensive line from the defensive end position
Speaker 6: that you had this year, if you had those last year,
Speaker 6: you would have been okay because the depth was there.
Speaker 6: You had Dorn's Armstrong, you had Fouler, you had guys
Speaker 6: that you could kind of push up because you had
Speaker 6: such depth. You lost that depth, and so it wasn't
Speaker 6: necessarily that losing those players last year was going to
Speaker 6: be huge. From the standpoint of your frontline starters, it
Speaker 6: was that you lost your depth, and.
Speaker 2: The cumulative cumulative of.
Speaker 6: All of those losses I think was greater than the
Speaker 6: parts individually by themselves.
Speaker 4: Well, again, it's why you weren't able to do during
Speaker 4: the off season and during free agency due to the
Speaker 4: lack of money or the cap space that you had,
Speaker 4: but also having to rely on all of these younger
Speaker 4: talents so.
Speaker 2: As a group, because yeah, as a group.
Speaker 4: That you had so many, so much young talent, and
Speaker 4: you're just depending on them and betting on them that
Speaker 4: they're hopefully all at once be able to surpass and
Speaker 4: avoid that learning curve that naturally needs to happen for
Speaker 4: these younger players. But also to your question, what would
Speaker 4: make me happy? You know what would make me a
Speaker 4: little bit happy? It's like, show me something different, try
Speaker 4: something different, be creative, like call different plays, and even
Speaker 4: if you fail, I can feel better and be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: maybe you were right.
Speaker 8: We're all crazy here.
Speaker 4: You know, if you fail, But if you're wining, it's like, okay,
Speaker 4: on you try something, it worked, let's go, and like
Speaker 4: you get it excited about that. So that's the only
Speaker 4: thing at this point that I what would make me
Speaker 4: excited is regardless of all the injuries that you're dealing with, Like,
Speaker 4: I think maybe you can take a little bit of
Speaker 4: pressure from yourself and just be like, you know, this
Speaker 4: is where we're at.
Speaker 8: It is what it is. There's no turning back.
Speaker 4: Now, you can't do anything but like, let's have fun,
Speaker 4: because I think a difference can be seen when you
Speaker 4: switch that mindset and you start just having fun and
Speaker 4: you just accept what you have.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think, based on my own experiences some things that
Speaker 4: I've played or done, when you start having fun, it's
Speaker 4: just it's different, and sometimes that can lead to a
Speaker 4: different outcome because you can take some pressure of yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's a really good point.
Speaker 3: The thing that that I kind of worry about is,
Speaker 3: you know, in twenty twenty five, you're gonna have another
Speaker 3: big chunk of your talent leaving if you look at
Speaker 3: how this thing is set up. You know, we talked
Speaker 3: about Zach Martin, Marcus Lawrence, Brandon Cooks, Trey Lance, Eric Kendricks,
Speaker 3: Brian Anger, Jordan Lewis, Cooper, Rush Lynville, Joseph Ezekiel, Elliott
Speaker 3: c J. Goodwin, Chuma Doga, Trent c OsO, Diggi Zua.
Speaker 3: I'm just going down the list all your free agency, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Rico Daddle, Chauncey Golsten, Nick Vigill, Carl Lawson, Carlos Watkins,
Speaker 3: brock Hoffman, Israel mcqualmu, Marquis Bell Turpin, jan Ya, Thomas, Tyres, Wheat.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have another just another big wave of guys,
Speaker 3: you know. So now you're in a situation where, yeah,
Speaker 3: you lost a lot of depth one year, and now
Speaker 3: you're about to lose the second half of that depth
Speaker 3: and depth. Those are some starters. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we've talked about Martin, you know,
Speaker 3: Lawrence Cooks. Those are all voidable contracts right there. You know.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you're gonna lose you know, Uh, Kendrick has
Speaker 3: played a big part. Brian Anger is a punter. Jordan
Speaker 3: Lewis has probably been one of your better defensive players.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 9: C J.
Speaker 3: Goodwin, they you know, they feel he's their one of
Speaker 3: their best special teams. Guys, you're gonna lose your deep snapper.
Speaker 3: You're gonna lose maybe your best three technique and O
Speaker 3: so Diggy Zuwa, you're gonna lose your starting running back
Speaker 3: in Rico Daddle. You're gonna lose Chauncey Golston, who's kind
Speaker 3: of shown that he could be a a you know,
Speaker 3: he could be a guy when he has to start.
Speaker 3: You know, it's you're not gonna you're you're not gonna
Speaker 3: be It might not be the best, but it's better
Speaker 3: than you know what you thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just it's one of those things where
Speaker 3: you kind of look at it and you're going to go, Okay, well,
Speaker 3: how do you how do you replace that? Okay? You
Speaker 3: know what that turns into. Yeah, you're only going to
Speaker 3: get likely ten draft picks, and then they're going to
Speaker 3: turn around. They're going to sign. They're going to sign
Speaker 3: some guys you know, college free agency. They will They've
Speaker 3: proven that they will spend money to go out. They'll
Speaker 3: give two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to span Ford
Speaker 3: because he's on their draft board, he was a draftable player.
Speaker 3: They'll spend that money. Well, they spend the money in
Speaker 3: free agency. You know, I mean, I'm not asking him
Speaker 3: to play Day one, but they might have to play
Speaker 3: in this year, in this draft.
Speaker 2: I will tell you this.
Speaker 6: I think you know what they've what they've done traditionally.
Speaker 6: They didn't do it this last year. But what they've
Speaker 6: done traditional is they usually sign their own, right. I
Speaker 6: wonder if they go back to that this offseason.
Speaker 10: To say and will want you back, h Jordan Lewison,
Speaker 10: we want you back, Jordan Lewis, we want you back,
Speaker 10: like pick and choose the ones.
Speaker 6: I would I would assume, see we want you back
Speaker 6: like those kind of players. Asume you're going to see
Speaker 6: a litany of those kind of signings where you keep
Speaker 6: those guys because again, you don't want to lose.
Speaker 2: You can't lose too much down because you only got
Speaker 2: so many picks.
Speaker 3: They did that thing just they they they a lot
Speaker 3: of guys went out the door. And I mean I
Speaker 3: can say I just named I named all the guys
Speaker 3: that are eligible to go out the door now. And
Speaker 3: you're right about trying to resign. But I think you
Speaker 3: have to be careful about who you pick and choose
Speaker 3: to sign. You know, maybe some guys they can't.
Speaker 4: Afford the last That's what I was gonna say. In
Speaker 4: the last few years, we've seen guys that we've been
Speaker 4: surprised how much money they were able to get from
Speaker 4: other teams and get signed.
Speaker 2: So that's fan free agency, let's be clear.
Speaker 4: But that's the other aspect of it that you might
Speaker 4: lose it because of that, where these players can get
Speaker 4: more money. And another thing is like, I mean, we'll
Speaker 4: see what happened with the whole coaching situation, because it
Speaker 4: makes me wonder there's a lot of stuff that we
Speaker 4: don't get to hear or really truly know how certain
Speaker 4: players feel. And I'm saying this because yesterday I saw
Speaker 4: a video that Dalton Shultz posted, so lame by the way,
Speaker 4: but I'm like, what where did all this animal animosity
Speaker 4: come from?
Speaker 8: Like what what's happening?
Speaker 2: And you're like, well, you know what it is? For him?
Speaker 2: I think, my personal opinion.
Speaker 6: I think it's that like in Dallas, the media was
Speaker 6: on him pretty hard, Fans were on him pretty hard.
Speaker 2: People wanted him out of town.
Speaker 6: Because he didn't he wasn't performing at the level that
Speaker 6: they thought he should. And then all of a sudden
Speaker 6: he popped up and had a season where it's like, oh, okay, Thaling.
Speaker 2: Child's pretty good.
Speaker 6: And then you came free agent but nobody was like,
Speaker 6: oh man, you gotta sign him.
Speaker 2: Everybody's kind of like he's all right.
Speaker 6: But I don't think he ever felt like he got
Speaker 6: the respect here that he thought he was.
Speaker 2: That's just my own personal thing. I've not talked to him.
Speaker 2: That's that's my.
Speaker 4: Thing is players that I didn't expect them to feel
Speaker 4: a certain way after leaving or once free agency hit.
Speaker 4: It makes me wonder, Okay, who's another one, because I
Speaker 4: get like Cole Beastley, we're not gonna get into that,
Speaker 4: and that might be another one that I love being
Speaker 4: here and then all of a sudden he leaves and
Speaker 4: you're like, wait, what where is this kind.
Speaker 6: It's a hard place to play when you talk about
Speaker 6: the media and fans like expectations are hot.
Speaker 3: Dalton Schultz's last game for the Cowboys was in the
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers game in the playoffs, and it wasn't
Speaker 3: one of his better games. It really wasn't, and I
Speaker 3: think the fan base really went after him for that,
Speaker 3: like bro sidelined. You got to care. You know, you're
Speaker 3: not going for the ball, You're not trying to get upfield,
Speaker 3: You're not you know. There were a lot of things
Speaker 3: and he immediately. I know, I got blocked on him,
Speaker 3: blocked by him. One of his better blocks. He got
Speaker 3: me on Twitter shuts. Yeah, So I mean literally, you know,
Speaker 3: And I was and I was very critical of him
Speaker 3: because I was thinking, man, you've got to be better
Speaker 3: as a point of attack. He still struggles as a
Speaker 3: point of attack blocker. You watch him play against the tech.
Speaker 3: He is who he is. There's times where he's a
Speaker 3: really good football player and in other times he's just
Speaker 3: very ordinary, you know. And so he took it very
Speaker 3: personal when people were calling him very ordinary. You know,
Speaker 3: that wasn't his you know, that wasn't his bag. He's like, no,
Speaker 3: you can't criticize me. I'm gonna block you. Okay, congratulations,
Speaker 3: you actually got a block.
Speaker 6: And I think for some players, the spotlight of playing
Speaker 6: at the Dallas Cowboys is a little too much because
Speaker 6: you do have to take a lot of criticism, like yeah,
Speaker 6: and it comes from a lot of different points. And
Speaker 6: I don't think every player yet, I don't think every
Speaker 6: player wants necessarily deal with that. You go and play
Speaker 6: in the city where it's not as bright, and let's
Speaker 6: be clear, like Houston is maybe one of those kind
Speaker 6: of franchises where maybe it's not as bright. Everybody in
Speaker 6: town loves you and you feel that love all the time,
Speaker 6: and when you mess up, nobody really says much about it.
Speaker 6: And I just don't think that's Dallas. That's not Dallas.
Speaker 6: And so that's the part where I look at it
Speaker 6: for some of these players, and to your point in
Speaker 6: but I think they leave, they go other places, and
Speaker 6: they can be another places where they're like, you know,
Speaker 6: this is just better for my own mental health because
Speaker 6: I don't like having to listen to people criticize me
Speaker 6: in that way. You know, that's just my personal poll.
Speaker 8: Take it out on the fans, not on the team.
Speaker 8: I mean, but again, we don't.
Speaker 4: Know what some of those relationships were like in that
Speaker 4: side of.
Speaker 6: The He might be unhappy that they didn't make a
Speaker 6: play to sign him for more money. Yeah, that's that
Speaker 6: could also be a part of it, right, So again,
Speaker 6: there's lots of things involved there. But we're gonna take
Speaker 6: our first break when to come back. We're going to
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Speaker 6: All right, let's talk about the commanders. We'll start with
Speaker 6: this offense. Jaden Daniels checked us out. In the first
Speaker 6: eight games of this season, he was averaging nine rushing
Speaker 6: attempts per game fifty one rushing yards per game. Over
Speaker 6: the last two games now he's only averaging five rush
Speaker 6: attempts per game and only averaging eleven point five rush
Speaker 6: yards per game. My question is, is in your study,
Speaker 6: is that more about the injury or do you think
Speaker 6: there's been something that's that's maybe even about the opponents
Speaker 6: that they've played. They've played Pittsburgh and Philly the last
Speaker 6: two weeks. Maybe it's the opponent. What do you think
Speaker 6: is the reason why there's less rushing by Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 3: I think that I think that dan Quinn probably went
Speaker 3: into Cliff Kingsbury and said, listen, stop running the dude.
Speaker 2: You gotta get it killed.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only chance we got is with this young
Speaker 3: quarterback in and he has been outstanding. He is he's
Speaker 3: deadly accurate throwing the ball. Uh, he doesn't turn over
Speaker 3: the ball. He has the ability to make you miss
Speaker 3: in the pocket. When he's been sacked, it's it's generally
Speaker 3: been pretty quick. They've they've had some problems, you know,
Speaker 3: at the left tackle spot. Brandon Coleman is a rookie,
Speaker 3: and you know him and Cornelius Lucas have kind of
Speaker 3: switched some spots there, but they've played they've played this
Speaker 3: rookie Coleman, and he's and he's had some trouble on
Speaker 3: that left side him him and then you know, I
Speaker 3: think some other areas in that offensive line that have
Speaker 3: given up some pressures, but Coleman's the one that seems
Speaker 3: to have the most problems. And where he has problems,
Speaker 3: it's very similar to where and I know we're talking
Speaker 3: about the quarterback, and I'm gonna get to it how
Speaker 3: this affects the quarterback because Coleman's with these guys that's
Speaker 3: got some some terrence steel to him that he really
Speaker 3: can't handle the inside rush all day. That well, me personally,
Speaker 3: I'm taking Micah Parsons and I'm running him as hard
Speaker 3: as I can into the inside there. Maybe cover the
Speaker 3: cover the left guard Alligretti, then Nick Alligretti the left guard,
Speaker 3: cover him so you can't double or can't help him,
Speaker 3: and just see if Parsons can win one on one
Speaker 3: because it's been quick pressure, quick sacks. Because if you
Speaker 3: let Daniels kind of float around back there and and
Speaker 3: and and survey the field. You know he's gonna find
Speaker 3: guys that are open, but he wants to get rid
Speaker 3: of the ball quick. That's that's the whole thing. Like,
Speaker 3: you know, he's like an eighty percent passer when that
Speaker 3: ball comes out like at two point five or better.
Speaker 3: So you make him hold the ball a little bit more.
Speaker 3: That's a little bit of a that's a little bit
Speaker 3: of an advantage to you. But Brandon Coleman, number seventy
Speaker 3: four of the left tackle is the one that struggled
Speaker 3: the most. Again, they've all given up pressures and it
Speaker 3: affects the Daniels a little bit. And I say he's
Speaker 3: been dealing with a little bit of that that rib
Speaker 3: oblique kind of thing, and I think that's affected his play.
Speaker 6: One other thing that jumped out to me, and this
Speaker 6: was again about Jayden Daniels running the ball. Three of
Speaker 6: the four games that they've lost this year, he was
Speaker 6: held under three point seven rush yards per tempt. That
Speaker 6: was against Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore. Cincinnati was the only exception.
Speaker 6: They end up losing that game.
Speaker 2: Thirty eight to thirty three. How teams limited his rushing because.
Speaker 6: It feels like that's a big part of being able
Speaker 6: to limit their office if you can keep it from
Speaker 6: running the ball. Not that he's not going to be
Speaker 6: able to get his in the passing game, but we'll
Speaker 6: get the receivers in a second. Those receivers leave a
Speaker 6: little bit to be desired, in my opinion. So if
Speaker 6: you can stop him from being multi dimensional, that gives
Speaker 6: you I think it had an advantage.
Speaker 2: How have teams stopped him when theyve stopped him FM running.
Speaker 3: His best runs are out the right side.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what's.
Speaker 3: Happened is that if he's comfortable taking the ball and
Speaker 3: he sees it breaking down, or they run these design runs.
Speaker 3: And early in the year it was a lot of
Speaker 3: design runs and now not so much. Maybe it's more
Speaker 3: about scrambles or feeling pressure and all that. Because he
Speaker 3: wants to throw out of the middle of the pocket.
Speaker 3: All his tds are from the middle of the pocket,
Speaker 3: none of them are from the outside running. You would
Speaker 3: think a guy that's that athletic, and I remember, you know,
Speaker 3: from my days at LSU, it was like he could
Speaker 3: get outside and throw the ball and then throw it
Speaker 3: down the field. But all his touchdowns have all been
Speaker 3: from the middle of the pocket. So and what he's
Speaker 3: done is he's really good at running out the right side.
Speaker 3: So what he does is that's in going back. That's
Speaker 3: the vision, that's you know, he's looking and then he
Speaker 3: sees it and go. Teams have done a better job
Speaker 3: of not allowing him to escape route. You know, they
Speaker 3: kind of overplayed him a little bit. Like you know,
Speaker 3: is when he drops back, hey, don't lose contain on
Speaker 3: our defensive left side, keep him, keep him down. Now
Speaker 3: he'll throw it in the pocket, like I mentioned, But
Speaker 3: if you're going to get pressure on him and keep
Speaker 3: him in the pocket, his avenue has been the majority
Speaker 3: of his snaps not out the left side of the pocket.
Speaker 3: It's been out the right side of the pocket. So
Speaker 3: teams have done a better job keeping him squeezing him
Speaker 3: in there and then and not allowing him that scape,
Speaker 3: that escape route that he's had in the previous weeks.
Speaker 6: All Right, I mentioned the receivers. Terry McLaren, as we know,
Speaker 6: is a real big threat for them. Yeah, he leads
Speaker 6: them in receptions with forty eight and receiving yard with
Speaker 6: seven hundred and twenty one.
Speaker 2: I think having a stellar year. Now he's finally got
Speaker 2: a quarterback, right, Yeah, but we've always.
Speaker 6: Seen that even with back quarterbacks. Terry McLaren is a
Speaker 6: scary dude, scary quarter yeah, but with a quarterback he's
Speaker 6: even scarier.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: That being said, what other receivers on this roster should
Speaker 6: the Cowby's Cowboys be concerned about?
Speaker 3: You know, I feel like that. You know, we've all
Speaker 3: familiar with Noah Brown from the cap I mean, he
Speaker 3: Noah is. It's funny, the only touchdown reception he has
Speaker 3: this year was the Hail Mary. Yeah, that's the only
Speaker 3: one he's had. Uh, Noah Brown is still very capable.
Speaker 3: Luke McCaffrey has done a really nice job as well.
Speaker 2: I'm a rice player former.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and you know he's a Christian, McCaffrey's brother,
Speaker 3: and you know it was converted converted a quarterback and
Speaker 3: then into a wide receiver and has done a really,
Speaker 3: really nice job for them. I'll tell you what. Here's
Speaker 3: here's a blast from the past. Though you talk about
Speaker 3: with Zach Ertz has been okay, I know he's not
Speaker 3: a wide receiver, he's a tight end. But that's where it.
Speaker 3: You know, when you look at the second most targets
Speaker 3: and the second most receptions on this team, it's been
Speaker 3: zach Ertz has been. So what you're going to get
Speaker 3: is McLaren is really good as a vertical player. We've
Speaker 3: seen that. I mean, they the one thing that of
Speaker 3: all the opponents the Cowboys have had this year, Jalen
Speaker 3: Daniels throw is the best deep ball. So that's Terry
Speaker 3: McLaurin making it on the on the fly, on the go,
Speaker 3: on the go routes. That's that's a big part of
Speaker 3: their offense. But they also run those intermediate routes. But
Speaker 3: we talk about ten to nineteen yards kind of in
Speaker 3: that area, you see a lot of a lot of
Speaker 3: McLaren is his ability to cross and play in that
Speaker 3: and that zach Ertz has also played in that area too.
Speaker 3: So when they don't go to McLaren or they go
Speaker 3: to McCaffrey or Brown, it's going to be zach Ernz.
Speaker 3: But I kind of feel like that to me, zach
Speaker 3: Ertz is not the most athletic guy. There was a
Speaker 3: time when he was a hard stop. When when he
Speaker 3: was at Philly, he was a hard guy to stop.
Speaker 3: He doesn't run as well, but man, he still catches
Speaker 3: the ball really really well. So find a way to
Speaker 3: be alert about about McLaren, be worried about him. But
Speaker 3: then the next thing you might need to take care
Speaker 3: of his zach Ertz. And then like, okay, if Noah
Speaker 3: Brown and Luke McCaffrey are going to beat you in
Speaker 3: this game, then that's tip your cap. That's kind of
Speaker 3: where that's at though. But they they.
Speaker 2: Take the chances.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, but Dallas is you know, Dallas has made
Speaker 3: pretty average receivers look good too at times. I mean
Speaker 3: they have not they have not covered well in the
Speaker 3: middle of the field. They've you know, they they're playing
Speaker 3: with guys, like I say, they're you know, you know
Speaker 3: nothing against you know, Butler guys like that. But that's
Speaker 3: that's who they played. Carson guys. They've played guys that
Speaker 3: have young guys that have struggled a little bit and
Speaker 3: coverage and you know, and and if you're a starting
Speaker 3: caliber wide receiver for the Washington Commanders and you're lining
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Speaker 3: get separation and make a cash.
Speaker 4: You just feel with Dan Quinn being the head coach,
Speaker 4: I just feel like he's gonna find the way to
Speaker 4: know exactly how to attack you.
Speaker 6: Well, actually, that's that was gonna be the next question.
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Speaker 6: I'm ask you guys, how much how much does that
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Speaker 6: these guys on this defense for so long and kind
Speaker 6: of knows them really well, how much does that matter
Speaker 6: into this this matchup. We'll talk about that when we
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Speaker 6: We're talking about the Washington offense versus the Dallas defense
Speaker 6: and Amber you t this up before the Break, but
Speaker 6: dan Quinn's familiarity with this defense, in my opinion, could
Speaker 6: be a challenge for them, because if anyone knows, how
Speaker 6: do you mess with a guy like Michael Parsons, how
Speaker 6: do you mess with a guy like Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 2: You know, I think he knows because.
Speaker 6: Those guys, Yeah, and so how much do you think
Speaker 6: in this instance, this this map, do you think that
Speaker 6: that will be a challenge for Dallas because of his familiarity.
Speaker 4: A lot, Like he's a guy that knows his players,
Speaker 4: Like he's a guy that was very hands on, very
Speaker 4: in there and involved with all these players. So I
Speaker 4: fully trust that he knows all these guys. Granted, there
Speaker 4: are guys that he hasn't worked with in the past,
Speaker 4: but some of those players that you mentioned, they're still here.
Speaker 8: And I think.
Speaker 4: He will know exactly where their weaknesses are and how
Speaker 4: to get to them and exploit that. So I do
Speaker 4: think he is in a more favorable position this week
Speaker 4: when coming up against the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: You could say it on the flip side too, though
Speaker 3: dan Quinn was here, Joe Witt was here. You know,
Speaker 3: you kind of have an understanding, maybe Mike McCarthy, if
Speaker 3: Brian Schottenheimer actually want to do. Yeah, Brian Schottenheimer actually
Speaker 3: started before he was the offensive coordinator here. He was
Speaker 3: working with the defensive staff for the whole entire year,
Speaker 3: working for dan Quinn, breaking stuff down, breaking film down.
Speaker 3: If anybody has an idea of what dan Quinn's gonna
Speaker 3: do against certain formations and certain looks, I sure hope
Speaker 3: that Brian Schottenheimer has that same type of knowledge. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean I think there's a you know
Speaker 3: you kind of everybody kind of goes, ah, it's not
Speaker 3: that big of a don't no. In a way, it
Speaker 3: is a big deal because you do. To me, and
Speaker 3: we've seen a lot of teams that are really good
Speaker 3: at this, they take advantage of your bad players, or
Speaker 3: they if they know, you know, if they know guys
Speaker 3: are not very good, or they'd have weaknesses in certain areas.
Speaker 3: You don't think Dan Quinn has an understanding of how
Speaker 3: to attack Michael Parsons. He dealt with it for three years.
Speaker 3: You know, He's like, Hey, I watched Philadelphia do this.
Speaker 3: I watch San Francisco do this. I watched you know,
Speaker 3: this is what we had to do. And I think
Speaker 3: if you're the d if you're Mike Zimmer and those guys,
Speaker 3: I think you have to be ready for that. You know,
Speaker 3: I have to think you have to be ready. I
Speaker 3: think this is where Al Harris comes into to play
Speaker 3: for you here. Yeah, because Al Harris is a holdover
Speaker 3: from the old staff. You know, Al sat in those
Speaker 3: meetings every single day with Dan Quinn talking about personnel.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's kind of a I think it's
Speaker 3: a little bit of a two way street in this
Speaker 3: particular game. Hey, let's be honest, though, the the the
Speaker 3: Commanders have more talent available to him now than any
Speaker 3: other point in time since they played the Cowboys. You'd
Speaker 3: have to go back to the you know, maybe the
Speaker 3: Robert Griffin, you know, the Third Days, where you know
Speaker 3: the talent. Dallas has always had the better talent in
Speaker 3: a lot of ways, but in this particular matchup, because
Speaker 3: of injuries and things like that the Commanders are clearly
Speaker 3: the better team when you when you look at talent,
Speaker 3: and we'll coaching take advantage of the better talent. You know,
Speaker 3: the good ones do ye.
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's flip back.
Speaker 6: I want to talk about the running backs. We haven't
Speaker 6: gotten to them yet. Brian Robinson, Austin Eckler. You're gonna
Speaker 6: have to handle two backs this week. Tell me what
Speaker 6: each one does best, and and then tell me how
Speaker 6: you you would go about trying to defend them.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The thing with with Brian Robinson is that he
Speaker 3: is He's a really good inside runner. So not to
Speaker 3: say that he can't bounce it outside. I think Austin
Speaker 3: Eckler is a little bit better about getting it to
Speaker 3: the corner. But Brian Robinson is a little bit more
Speaker 3: attack your attacking over the left tackle or tackle, excuse me,
Speaker 3: attack you between the guard and the tackle. That's kind
Speaker 3: of his way of running the football. He's a hand
Speaker 3: it to him and get downhill quick.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: He can bounce it to the outside, but I think
Speaker 3: that you're going to have to be able to not
Speaker 3: allow him just to have those straight shots, those dive
Speaker 3: shots that they take where you know he gets the
Speaker 3: ball and the next thing you know, it's a it's
Speaker 3: a second and four. You know he's running for six yards.
Speaker 3: So he's a really tough guy. Austin Eckler is a
Speaker 3: really tough guy too. I will say this though, if
Speaker 3: you can get these guys in passing situations, and we
Speaker 3: talked about how accurate Jayden Daniels could be, but they've
Speaker 3: had problems with blitz pickups. Austin Eckler has had problems.
Speaker 3: He is never sure of who he's supposed to get.
Speaker 3: He's kind of a like a am I supposed to block?
Speaker 3: Or am I supposed to get out in the flat?
Speaker 3: Now you could throw him the ball in the flat.
Speaker 3: He leads their team and run after catch. You know.
Speaker 3: That's that's something that's really really big for them. So there,
Speaker 3: you know, if you find a way, if you can
Speaker 3: get your rushers on Austin Eckler in the pocket, there's
Speaker 3: a chance for pressure or there's a chance for sack
Speaker 3: because he struggled in that area. But but they're both
Speaker 3: really quality backs. At Robinson Is he's missed a couple
Speaker 3: of games. I mean, but he is so tough running
Speaker 3: the ball, you're gonna you hand it to him. It's
Speaker 3: a pile. It's a five yard game. It seems like
Speaker 3: it's the way every time you watch the tape playing
Speaker 3: this guy and around the goal line. He's extremely tough
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you look at this last game against Joe Mixon.
Speaker 6: Joe Mixon put up twenty carries for one hundred and
Speaker 6: nine yards a five point five average.
Speaker 3: Forty five of that was one carry.
Speaker 6: It was, it was, and then there was also two
Speaker 6: receptions for forty four yard. You had total hundred and
Speaker 6: fifty three yard greens. Here's my question for you, based
Speaker 6: on what we saw in that game, what were the
Speaker 6: areas where you think Dallas or how did you assess
Speaker 6: Dallas's run defense against Mixing and do you think there's
Speaker 6: something that can carry over from that into this matchup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing with Mixing is everything was going to bounce,
Speaker 3: you know, and it was he was going to attack
Speaker 3: you front side, and then as soon as the play
Speaker 3: looked like it was stopped, he was going to bounce
Speaker 3: it outside. And then on the forty five yard run.
Speaker 3: They were just bad at the you know, they they
Speaker 3: they got what they wanted with Parsons and those guys
Speaker 3: squeezing it and forcing it back to the inside. But
Speaker 3: the cut, the cut was so perfect that you know
Speaker 3: Golston got knocked down.
Speaker 2: That was the play where Golston y.
Speaker 3: Israel mcwamu was out of position and then Hooker was
Speaker 3: a terrible angle and next you know, it's a forty
Speaker 3: five yard touchdown. When Dallas is bad in run defense,
Speaker 3: it's usually mistackles. It's that you know, when they get
Speaker 3: bodies to the ball, they can get a guy down
Speaker 3: on the ground. But the problem is they'll at the
Speaker 3: worst times, they'll miss tackles. And I think this is
Speaker 3: where Robinson and Eckler can maybe cause you some problems.
Speaker 3: These are, like I said, they're two tough runners, but
Speaker 3: here here's you know, they're coming right at you coming downhill.
Speaker 3: That's a little bit different than the guys they've had
Speaker 3: to deal with. They've had a little bit more quickness
Speaker 3: to them. These guys run with a little bit more power,
Speaker 3: and I think Mixing was kind of the same way.
Speaker 3: But you take away that forty five yard run, you
Speaker 3: kind of had to feel good about what they did
Speaker 3: against him, and not.
Speaker 6: All that was a pretty good day. Yeah standpoint, Yeah.
Speaker 3: From that standpoint. Yeah, but when Dallas is bad playing
Speaker 3: run defense, they they get knocked out of position and
Speaker 3: then they also struggle with tackling. And we've known that
Speaker 3: and we've seen it, and that's that's kind of what
Speaker 3: I always worry about, you know, in these games when
Speaker 3: you have quality running backs.
Speaker 2: All Right, that's the wrap. We will be back tomorrow.
Speaker 6: We will jump into Dallas's offense versus the Washington defense,
Speaker 6: and we'll talk about all that, all those topics tomorrow.
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