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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. Rewind, we have a

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Speaker 1: fun one here for you. This is a Christmas episode

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Speaker 1: from last year in which we discuss the nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: sci fi action film I Come In Peace. This is

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Speaker 1: an explosion filled, muscle filled action fest that yes does

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Speaker 1: take place at Christmas and has at least some subtle

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Speaker 1: Christmas themes going on in it, but mostly explosions and muscles.

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Speaker 1: So let's dive right in.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey you, welcome to Weird House Cinema.

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Speaker 3: This is Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And

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Speaker 3: today on Weird House Cinema, we are going to be

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Speaker 3: talking about the nineteen ninety sci fi action cop movie

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Speaker 3: I Come In Peace, starring the one and only Dolph Lundgren.

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Speaker 1: That's right, aka Dark Angel. That was I think the

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Speaker 1: international title for it, and it was released in the States.

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Speaker 1: Is I Come in Peace? I Come in Piece as

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Speaker 1: the title that I was exposed to as a kid.

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Speaker 1: You see it on like the other trailers that would

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Speaker 1: be on your VHS rental or I think I would

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Speaker 1: see the poster art and I was always really intimidated

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Speaker 1: is here to deal drugs, and I don't know that

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Speaker 3: So it's funny. I recall no awareness whatsoever of this

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Speaker 3: have sought out when I was, you know, eight or whatever.

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Speaker 3: But I don't remember this one. The Dolph Lundgren movie

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Speaker 3: I do really remember, though I never actually saw it.

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Speaker 3: I just have the cover of the VHS box burned

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Speaker 3: into my brain. Is a later one from nineteen ninety

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Speaker 3: six called Silent Trigger, where he's just holding this ridiculous

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Speaker 1: Silent Trigger, is that a thing getting?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Is it like the trigger doesn't make

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Speaker 3: just Dolph Lundgren looking very grim, and I think he's

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Speaker 3: plot is about how he wants to achieve a silent

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Speaker 1: Well, Dolph never had any trouble looking grim, serious like

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Speaker 1: interesting thing about the movie we're gonna be discussing today

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna get to see Dolph, you know, do

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Speaker 1: be more of a certainly an action hero. He's still gonna,

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Speaker 1: you know, spinkick the soul out of people, but you

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Speaker 3: I'm more used to him in Ivan Drago mode, where

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Speaker 3: Dolph Lindergrin. I'm not sure if he quite has the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure it was entirely a success, but

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Speaker 3: I think he's got it on pretty much the whole time.

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Speaker 3: Does it ever come off? I think maybe there's one

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Speaker 1: By the way, it's towards the end though, almost as

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Speaker 3: But hey, I know why you picked this movie, Rob.

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Speaker 1: That's right. We love to cover legit weird Christmas movies

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, so Lethal Weapon apparently takes place at Christmas

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Speaker 3: I always forget that there are Christmas themes in Batman Returns.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that's about as weird as a big budget

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can relate. And it's there's also almost a

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Speaker 1: This is another Texas movie filmed and this time set

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Speaker 1: sixty three. So this is of course one of the

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Speaker 1: most successful screenwriters of the nineteen nineties, and beyond having

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Speaker 1: worked on ninety two's Death becomes her ninety three's Jurassic

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Speaker 1: Park to a lesser extent, ninety four is the Shadow,

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Speaker 1: ninety six is Mission Impossible. Then you got the Lost World,

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Speaker 1: Jurassic Park. Other films like Panic Room in twenty two

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Speaker 1: thousand and two, Spider Man in two thousand and two,

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Speaker 1: War of the Worlds in two thousand and five, and

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Speaker 1: also the two most recent Indiana Jones movies. He's also

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Speaker 1: directed a little bit as well.

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Speaker 3: When do we get to Dolf take you a look

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Speaker 3: at golf?

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Speaker 1: Come on, all right, all right? Dolph Lundren plays Detective

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Speaker 1: Jack Kane. I don't really don't even have to introduce

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Speaker 1: Dolph all that much here, but you know, born nineteen

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Speaker 1: fifty seven. I believe he's about six five. Always hard

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Speaker 1: to tell with people in entertainment, like what's the actual height,

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Speaker 1: what's the build height? He's pretty tall, and we have

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Speaker 1: people in this film that look even taller, and of

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Speaker 1: course there are ways to trick that, but at any rate,

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Speaker 1: huge guy, tall guy Swedish made his film debut in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five's View to a Kill, and he immediately

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Speaker 1: followed that up with his iconic role of Ivan Drago.

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned in Rocky four.

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Speaker 3: I did not remember that Dolph Lindergren was in a

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Speaker 3: View to a Kill, though that would make sense because

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Speaker 3: I know he at some point was the boyfriend of

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Speaker 3: Grace Jones, who was in View to a Kill.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if memory serves, they were no longer dating at

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Speaker 1: that point, but still knew each other, and she recommended

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Speaker 1: him for the job, saying like, Hey, you want somebody

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Speaker 1: stern and huge to stand in the background if your movie,

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Speaker 1: well you should call my friend Dolph. And they did.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, certainly by by Rocky four is off to

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Speaker 1: the races. I mean, very iconic role. If he'd done

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Speaker 1: nothing else after that, we would still be talking about it.

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Speaker 1: But then in nineteen eighty seven he played he Man

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Speaker 1: and the Masters of the Universe adaptation. I remember him

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Speaker 1: as being being very fun and of course very jacked

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Speaker 1: in that as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in that movie, don't they like they're

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Speaker 3: not just hanging out in Eternia or whatever. They come

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Speaker 3: to modern day la so he gets to have some

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Speaker 3: you know what is the eighties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Masters of the Universe is one of those films

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Speaker 1: that it had just had some awesome design choices in

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Speaker 1: There're some great casting. I love all the villains in

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Speaker 1: that movie. But even and at the time I was,

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Speaker 1: I was rather disappointed when we leave Attornia and then

484
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Speaker 1: we just do a you know, fish out of water

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Speaker 1: story with all these goofy scenes of these fantastic characters

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Speaker 1: interacting with modern life before then going back to Attorney

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Speaker 1: and having like an awesome showdown.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go to the galley.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's a huge male scene. That's awesome. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: so he was he was already a huge name by

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety. He had just played the title role in

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Speaker 1: an eighty nine adaptation of Marvel's The Punisher. But as

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Speaker 1: all these titles suggest, yeah, he was playing the stern,

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Speaker 1: tough guy with maybe a little bit of humor there

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Speaker 1: and Masters of the Universe. But apparently what attracted him

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Speaker 1: to the script is it gave him that chance to

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Speaker 1: try more things, you know, to try a little comedy,

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Speaker 1: try a little romance, and in the featurette I mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 1: the director back so he gave him, gave him a

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Speaker 1: lot of credit for his professionalism and his performance. So

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Speaker 1: he was trying new things, but for the most part

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Speaker 1: moving forward, Dolph would end up sticking mostly to action

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Speaker 1: and it's still active today, often in a lot of

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Speaker 1: action films. Subsequent movies included the Universal Soldier franchise nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety five, Johnny Mnemonic. He pops up in the Coen

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Speaker 1: Brothers Hail Caesar, and he's also in the Hockerman movies.

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Speaker 1: I think he's like a Russian submarine pilot. I can't

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Speaker 1: even remember if he's in the movie or if he

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Speaker 1: because I think, you know the Coen Brothers film late

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Speaker 1: Coen Brothers films. Everybody in the world is in those casts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that movie's got a big cast. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I did not remember that. That's funny.

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Speaker 1: So again Dolf was trying new stuff with this particular spreading.

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Speaker 1: His wiing was a little bit but one of the

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Speaker 1: things for me anyway, I don't know if you had

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Speaker 1: this experience, Joe, It's like, you can't help but compare

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Speaker 1: this movie to Split Second, which came later, but in

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Speaker 1: doing so, you can't help but compare Rugger Howard's performance

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Speaker 1: to Dolph Lungdren's performance. And that's entirely unfair. It's unfair

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Speaker 1: to compare most actors to Rugger Howard, but yet I

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Speaker 1: kept doing it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's natural for us. I would say

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Speaker 3: that I wouldn't expect most people who see one of

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Speaker 3: these two movies to see the other one, and I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't expect most people who see both to remember both

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Speaker 3: of them. So the comparison is not like inevitable, but

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Speaker 3: for weirdos like us, Yeah, yeah, it's kind of hard

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Speaker 3: to ignore it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. This is another thing that comes to mind is

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Speaker 1: I often remember this film, or at least promotional materials

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Speaker 1: for it, alongside promotional materials for Eve of Destruction and

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Speaker 1: have kind of merged them into a single film that

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen. So I still need to get around

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Speaker 1: to Eve of Destruction at some point, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's one we could necessarily watch for weird house.

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Speaker 1: All right, So Dolph is our cop who plays by

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Speaker 1: his own rules. We have to also have a cop

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Speaker 1: that plays by the rules, that is Special Agent Rwood

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Speaker 1: Larry Smith or Agent Smith, played by Brian Benden.

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Speaker 3: We do not learn that his name is Urwood until

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Speaker 3: the very last line of the film.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a hilarious reveal that they leave until the

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Speaker 1: very end, but it hits about as well as most

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Speaker 1: of the comedy in this movie, the intentional comedy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, Brian Benden born nineteen fifty six. You might watch

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Speaker 1: this movie and say, where have I seen this guy before?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: I never watched it, but he was the star of

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Speaker 1: the HBO sitcom dream On from nineteen ninety through nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety six, and he was also in Radio Land Murders

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Speaker 1: in ninety four. Both of these were things that co

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Speaker 1: starred Michael McKean.

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Speaker 3: That's weird. I haven't seen those things, though he did

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Speaker 3: somehow seem familiar to me. I must have seen him

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Speaker 3: in something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would just see ads for dream

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Speaker 1: On or you know, or perhaps if you're trying to

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Speaker 1: watch the Tales from the Crypt episode, dream On would

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Speaker 1: be on as the intro and you're like, well, I

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Speaker 1: guess I got to set through this to get to

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Speaker 1: the Cryptkeeper. It was not a film that was catering

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Speaker 1: to me as its audience for sure, but people seem

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Speaker 1: to quite like it at the time. It's easy to

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Speaker 1: see looking at this film how this actor went on

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Speaker 1: to have success and kind of a you know, a

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Speaker 1: TV sitcom environment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's the nerdy new partner. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Now, of course we also need a love interest, and

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Speaker 1: that's where we have the coroner, Diane Palone, played by

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Speaker 1: Betsy Brantley.

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Speaker 3: She plays the romantic coroner.

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Speaker 1: Yes, which is fun. I mean, it's a fun idea

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Speaker 1: and they do it mostly works from a like a

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Speaker 1: slight comedic standpoint, and she does come off as like

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Speaker 1: a character who knows her stuff. Like she makes some

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Speaker 1: vital breakthroughs in the case.

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Speaker 3: Credit to Betsy Brantley for delivering some of the most

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Speaker 3: ludicrous lines in this entire screen, like the scene where

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Speaker 3: she has to where she asks Dolph Lundergren to promise

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Speaker 3: her something anything, That was hilarious, and also the scene

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Speaker 3: where she has to explain how the alien endorphin plot works.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, she's great in that scene as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the whole idea, we'll come back to the promises aspect

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Speaker 1: of the plot. That's yes, it doesn't quite work, but anyway,

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Speaker 1: Brandtle is an American actress, best known for her roles

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Speaker 1: as the Mother and Princess Bride, So that's John Savage's

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Speaker 1: mother in that film, as well as supporting roles in

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Speaker 1: such movies as ninety eight Deep Impact. In nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: nine's Double Jeopardy, she was the performance model for Jessica

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Speaker 1: Rabbit and who framed Roger Rabbit from eighty eight, and

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Speaker 1: her first big role was opposite Sean Connery in nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty two is Five Days One Summer, but her first

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Speaker 1: credit acting credit is actually for a small part in

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Speaker 1: Richard O'Brien's Rocky Horror follow up Shock Treatment from nineteen eight.

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Speaker 3: I know you've talked about looking at that multiple times.

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Speaker 3: Of course, I know Rocky Horror, but I've never seen

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Speaker 3: Shock Treatment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. We recently had someone right in suggesting it as well,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know, I need to give it a shot.

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Speaker 1: I've never actually watched it. I've seen Rocky Horror so

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Speaker 1: many times, but I've never watched Shot Treatment. Brandley also

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Speaker 1: pops up in a nineteen eighty four episode of the

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Speaker 1: excellent Granada Sherlock Holmes series, and she was previously married

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Speaker 1: to director Steven Soderberg and later worked with him on

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Speaker 1: his nineteen ninety six films Schizopolis, and more recently in

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Speaker 1: his twenty twenty two film Kimmy, which was also written

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Speaker 1: by Cope. All Right, it's time to get to our

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Speaker 1: alien drug pusher here.

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Speaker 3: What are you gonna do first? Good Alien? Bad Alien?

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Speaker 1: Oh we got to go bad alien. Okay, okay, the

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Speaker 1: reason for the season here, and he's credited as bad

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Speaker 1: Alien tallic. So Tallick is his name, though I don't

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Speaker 1: remember them ever calling him that. That's the gig character's name.

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Speaker 3: I don't recall that coming up.

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Speaker 1: Played by Matteus Hughes born nineteen fifty nine. I have

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Speaker 1: to just say again this is a character that scared

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Speaker 1: me a bit as a kid, and watching the film

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Speaker 1: still a bit scary. He's still quite a screen presence.

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Speaker 1: I've seen his height listed as anywhere between six five

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Speaker 1: and six eight, and he's wearing lifts in this alongside

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Speaker 1: you know, various camera trick or to just make him

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Speaker 1: look like an absolute giant.

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Speaker 3: Another freaky thing they do to him is they, I

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Speaker 3: guess it must be contacts or something. They cloud his

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Speaker 3: eyes over so he can't really see where he's looking.

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Speaker 3: Like his eyes are kind of foggy, and he speaks

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Speaker 3: in this this creepy horse whisper, and basically the only

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Speaker 3: line he says in the movie is repeatedly telling people

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Speaker 3: I come in peace right before killing them.

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Speaker 1: It's great. It's like you get the sense that this

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Speaker 1: is the only thing he knows how to say in

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Speaker 1: like Earth language, maybe he can say to multiple Earth languages,

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Speaker 1: and he doesn't necessarily even know what it means. He

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Speaker 1: just knows that it's something that you can say to

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Speaker 1: a hostile human being to moment momentarily give them pause

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Speaker 1: so you can blow them up or drugs snake them. So.

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Speaker 1: Hughes is a German born Venice Beach bodybuilder who initially

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Speaker 1: pops up as an uncredited extra in the nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: seven cult themed Dragnet movie, but then he followed this

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Speaker 1: up with small roles and eighty seven's No Retreat, No

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Speaker 1: Surrender eighty eights Big Top Peewee. He plays the lion

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Speaker 1: tamer in that, but then he pops up in another

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Speaker 1: movie that we've we've talked about the cover art for

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Speaker 1: this one, because he's the other muscle dude fighting Jorge

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Speaker 1: Rivero on the cover on the VHS art for nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty eight Fist Fighter. Oh.

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Speaker 3: Jorge Rivero is the star of Conquest, and many listeners

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Speaker 3: may also know him as the villain from the movie Werewolf.

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Speaker 1: He's Yury, Yeah so Matteas Hughes' other credits include ninety

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Speaker 1: one's Kickboxer, two ninety one Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country.

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Speaker 1: I believe he's a Klingon in that I'm assuming like

653
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: maybe kind of a background us will cling on. And

654
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: then he's also in two thousand and eight puppet Master

655
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: The Littlest Reich. Again, I love him in this. It's

656
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: one of these roles where I guess I haven't seen

657
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: him in a lot. So this character feels to me

658
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: like very disconnected from the rest of cinema, Like he

659
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: is an actual seven foot alien who has just popped

660
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: out of a crater to start harvesting human brain juice

661
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: for space drucks. Now that's the bad alien. We also

662
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: have a good alien by the name of Azak. Again,

663
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure we ever hear his name, but this

664
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: alien is played by another very tall individual. Jay Bilas

665
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: born nineteen sixty three former pro basketball player and coach

666
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: who currently works for ESPN as a college basketball analyst.

667
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: He had no acting experience for this, but he was

668
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: six ' eight. So they said, hey, how would you

669
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: like to shave the front part of your head and

670
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: put some contacts in and run from some explosions and

671
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: he gave it his all. So given all of that,

672
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: given how green, he was like, that's a pretty good job.

673
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: So when he's on one of those shows on ESPN

674
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: where the guys are yelling at each other, do they

675
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 3: bring this up at him? They're you know, they're like,

676
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 3: oh yeah, yeah, uh huh. The astros are good this year.

677
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 3: How about you go and starring I Come in Peace too?

678
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope he's proud of it. I

679
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: hope he should be.

680
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 3: Proud of his haircut in this movie is solid. There

681
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: are multiple mullets in I Come in Peace, but this one,

682
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 3: this one is scullet.

683
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hair. The hairstyle is apocalypse in the front,

684
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: party in.

685
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 3: The back, yep, yep. He also has cloudy eyes.

686
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: All right, these are the main characters that are in play.

687
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: So I'll try and run through some of the other

688
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: actors a little a little more speed. But a we

689
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: have some criminal elements human criminal elements that pop up.

690
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: The first is Victor Manning, played by Sherman Howard born

691
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: nineteen forty nine, American actor of stage and screen, perhaps

692
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: best known for playing the zombie and headphones bub from

693
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: the eighty five Romire movie Day of the Dead. He

694
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: also pops up An eighty nine's Lethal Weapon two, as

695
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: well as various TV episodes, including shows like Seinfeld and

696
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: Deep Space nine.

697
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: He plays an incredibly smug gang boss in this of

698
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 3: a weird gang that we'll discuss more as we go on.

699
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we don't see as much of them as

700
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: I would have liked. It's good that it's it's pretty

701
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: pretty fun and over the top lot.

702
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: Last, you know, regarding the bad guys, we've talked about

703
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: movies before where unfortunately you have some trouble telling the

704
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: different characters apart. I don't have that trouble with the

705
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: main characters in this movie, but the villains. There are

706
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: like seven villain characters in the yuppie gang slash the

707
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: Feds in this movie that all look exactly the same. Fortunately,

708
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: you do not need to be able to tell them

709
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: apart to follow the plot.

710
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a lot of bad guys in suits in

711
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: this film, and ultimately they're not a part of the

712
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: final showdown. Another key character is Inspector Switzer. This is

713
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: our villainous federal agent who's looking into the whole Alien

714
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: murders angle, played by David Ackroyd born nineteen forty, actor

715
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: of State, screen and TV. His other credits include eighty

716
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: three's Cocaine One Man Seduction, eighty three's Deadly Lessons, and

717
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six is a Smoky Mountain Christmas starring Dolly Parton.

718
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 3: Ow Yeah, does he play a hard nosed federal agent

719
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: in that?

720
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: I hope? So, I hope So Sorry.

721
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: To Dolly, I'm gonna bust up this whole operation.

722
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: Now. On the criminal element side of things, we also

723
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: have another guy who I'm uncertain if he's the main

724
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: boss or the secondary boss, but he's His name is Warren.

725
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: We only encounter him in a skyscraper.

726
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: He's the number two. He's so like the main boss

727
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 3: of the villain of the gang in the movie, leaves

728
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: after the first scene. He never comes back in the movie.

729
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: He's just we hear about him being in Rio, enjoying

730
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 3: the sun and the beach while all the other characters

731
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: are suffering under the alien boot heel, and so he

732
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: leaves this other guy, Warren in charge.

733
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, played by Sam Anderson More nineteen forty seven. And

734
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: if you're a movie go over of a certain age,

735
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: you probably see this actor and you're like, I've seen

736
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: this guy before, but I just can't place him. I

737
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: suspect that the reason is that he's the principal in

738
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four is Forrest Gump.

739
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 3: Yep, I had I spent several minutes with it pause

740
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 3: to just trying to think without looking it up, who

741
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: is this guy? And then I realized, Yep, he's the

742
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: He's the creepy principle, and.

743
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: He's done some other TV work as well. I think

744
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: he's also in Critters too. Oh okay, cool, but certainly

745
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: Forrest Gump. That's a big pop culture footprint to leave there. Now.

746
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: We talked about Split Second earlier. We mentioned Split Second.

747
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, there is one individual. There may be some

748
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: more in the deeper in the credits, but there's one

749
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: core member of the cast who connects these two pictures,

750
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: and that is the wonderful character actor Michael J. Pollard,

751
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: who lived nineteen thirty nine through twenty nineteen. He played

752
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: the rat Catcher in Split Second, and in this movie

753
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: he plays a snarling criminal informant by the name of

754
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: Boner who's essentially Gollum. He's essentially Gollum.

755
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, who I will add plays no role whatsoever in

756
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: the plot. He's just there to like get ruffed up

757
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: by Dolph Londegren. And then Dolph Londergren, unrelated to his

758
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: interaction with this guy, has an epiphany about the case.

759
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird that it goes like that. It's almost

760
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: like they're like, like, look, we got Pollard for a day.

761
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: We got to use him, find a way slot him

762
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: in there somewhere.

763
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: He just happens to be, fortunately, standing next to a

764
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 3: pool table, and then Dolph Londergren looking at the pool

765
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 3: table is like, aha, aliens are throwing murdered discs through

766
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: the air.

767
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: But Pollard's always great though, as other films include sixty

768
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: sevens Bonnie and Clyde. He's an eighty eight Scrooge for

769
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: a Christmas tie in, and he's also in Rob Zombie's

770
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: House of a Thousand Corpses from two thousand and three.

771
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: All right, now, this is a small role, but I

772
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: have to point out that al Leong is in this

773
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: playing the luggage salesman. There's like, essentially it's like a

774
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: drug drop kind of a situation. Born nineteen fifty two,

775
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: small role, but I think film fans will recognize this

776
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: guy because he plays the Wingkong hatchet man from nineteen

777
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: eighty six is Big Trouble in Little China.

778
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 3: He's another one of these recognizable character actors from a

779
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: bunch of eighties movies. A lot of other people might

780
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: remember him from die Hard.

781
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he popped up and die Hard he's ginghis Khan

782
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: and Bill and Ted from eighty nine. He's an lethal weapon,

783
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: longtime stump man as well. One of these guys is

784
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: kind of kind of a low key action film legend,

785
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: I think, because you just see him pop up in

786
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: so many things. And he had a signature look and

787
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: it had kind of like a receding hairline, but long hair,

788
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: so you know, glorious mullet and then a really robust mustache.

789
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 3: Powerful mustache, really strong.

790
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. So sometimes he's just standing in the background, other

791
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: times he's screaming with a hatchet in his hand. Does

792
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: great work.

793
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 3: You attached a picture of him in the outline where

794
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 3: he's like squatting in the foreground and then you can

795
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: see the Hollywood Hills in the background and the Hollywood

796
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: sign is under his thigh.

797
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: Glorious. I hope he used this as his main promotional

798
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: image for many years. I think he's still active too

799
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: great now. This we generally don't mention like special effects coordinators,

800
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: but I will mention real quick that Bruno ven Zebrowick

801
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: is the individual who had the honors on this movie.

802
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: Still active and highly cited by Baxley in the feature

803
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: atte is a key part of the film's success, you know,

804
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: from a stunt and production standpoint, So I'm looking at

805
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 1: him a little bit. He worked on Predator and also

806
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: such films as John Carpenter's The Thing, Return of the Jedi,

807
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: David Lynch's Dune Action, Jackson Roadhouse, Alien three, and die Hard.

808
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: So again, the stunt and and explosive effects pyrotechnics pedigree

809
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: of this film is just you know, can't deny it.

810
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: And then finally coming to the music, I got kind

811
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: of excited when I was previewing the the credits for

812
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: this one because we have we have Yon Hammer on

813
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: this born nineteen forty eight. This is the Czech American musician, composer,

814
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: and record producer best known for two tracks. Really he's

815
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: done a lot of work, but there's the theme song

816
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: to Miami Vice, the TV show, and there's another track

817
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: he did for Miami Vice titled Crocket's Theme. Both of

818
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: these from or from the eighties TV series. Crockett's Theme

819
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: especially is just an incredible track. It's just oh, it's

820
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 1: just so perfect. It's just this glittering, upbeat synth masterpiece

821
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: you know that just just bleeds Eighties directly into your veins.

822
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's strong, it's moody. It's got a kind

823
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 3: of a surprising and moody chord progression, but also the

824
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 3: bouncing rhythmic synthesizer tone in it. I feel like it's

825
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: something that has tried to be copied later by anything

826
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: that is evoking the spirit of the eighties. Even like

827
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 3: the Grand Theft Auto games I think have some musical

828
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 3: score in them that is trying to copy this feeling.

829
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it's incredible. I highly recommend listening to it.

830
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: And even the Miami Vice theme song like that one

831
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: earned him I believe two Grammys, So highly successful guy.

832
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: Other scores include two episodes of Tales from the Crypt.

833
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly which one off off the top

834
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: of my head. He did night Rider two thousand. Some

835
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: of his music appears on nineteen ninety two is Beyond

836
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: the Mind's Eye, which was one of these like early

837
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: like CGI psychedelic visionary art kind of things he could

838
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: order off an advertisement on television. And he also scored

839
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six as beast Master three The Eye of Braxis.

840
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: Who is Braxis?

841
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he's got an eye. I was

842
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: trying to be just like what beefy guy plays Praxis

843
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: in this, and I couldn't tell that there is a Praxis.

844
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: There's a voice of Braxis, So maybe it's some sort

845
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: of a special effects god sort of situation.

846
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 3: I briefly forgotten. Then, just remember that we covered beast

847
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: Master two through the Portal of Time on this show.

848
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that one was great wings Houser.

849
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: And that one speaking of he Man coming to La

850
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 3: that's another one.

851
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: All right. Let's let's get into the plot of I

852
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: Come in Peace.

853
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: All right. So the opening sequence we have ringing synth

854
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: bells and a lonely city street late at night. They're

855
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: trying to establish that moody eighties, you know, Neon signs.

856
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: In the background, dark city atmosphere. A car is driving

857
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: down the street. It's a luxury car. We see the

858
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: driver and he looks like one of Patrick Bateman's friends.

859
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 3: And this will be a recurring theme. Fancy suit, smug face,

860
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: looks like a rich, aggressive, mean guy. Driver of the

861
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: car activates some blinking futuristic panel on his dashboard.

862
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: What is it?

863
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 3: Is a CD player and he inserts a gleaming silver

864
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: CD into the slot. What's he listening to? Can you guess?

865
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: It's a new hit called Hark the Herald Angels sing.

866
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: He had to get that hit of the Christmas music.

867
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 3: So this guy from the Bateman crew, he's cruising through

868
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 3: the deserted city streets. It's nighttime. He's jamming to his

869
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 3: Christmas carols until the music starts skipping. The song sounds

870
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 3: totally scrambled, like the notes are playing at double speed,

871
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 3: random order, that kind of thing. And the driver is

872
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: very angry. He needs his Hark and he complains. He's like,

873
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: you pay seventy thousand dollars for a car and then

874
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: they give you a broken CD player. Then suddenly the

875
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: CD shoots out of the slot at him violently. He startled,

876
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: and he nearly collides with a bus at an intersection,

877
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: swerves to avoid an impact, and ends up crashing his

878
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: car into a lot full of Christmas trees. So they're

879
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 3: hitting you with a lot of Christmas right at the top.

880
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: Almost makes you wonder if this whole prologue here was

881
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,479
Speaker 3: like added on to it really emphasize the Christmas themes.

882
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 3: But I guess probably not, because we're about to meet

883
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: a crucial character. So he gets out of the car,

884
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 3: he complains some more, and then to make things even worse,

885
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: suddenly a fireball descends from out of space and obliterates

886
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: his car, leaving only a flaming crater in its place.

887
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: And the driver looks on as out of the flaming

888
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 3: crater comes a man dressed in black with gloves, a

889
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 3: long dark coat, and some kind of technological gadget strapped

890
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: to his arm like the Predator. He's got long blonde hair,

891
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 3: his eyes are foggy, like they're clouded with cataracts.

892
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they shoot him rising up out of this

893
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: crater like he's like he's a redwood tree. You know,

894
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: it just seems like he's at least eight or nine

895
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: feet tall. It's great.

896
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 3: So the man from the sky approaches the driver and

897
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: looms over him. He opens his lips and says, in

898
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 3: a hoarse whisper, I come in peace. Cut to something

899
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: else next week, Get an infiltration. There is a dude

900
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: sneaking into some kind of building through air ducts, cutting

901
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: through metal grating with a torch, climbing around in the

902
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 3: duct work. This is also a favorite theme of eighties

903
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: action movies. They love putting a guy climbing through the

904
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 3: ventilation shafts. So what's going on here? Well, it's a heist.

905
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: This is some kind of police building. I think they'd

906
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: later call it a federal warehouse. An infiltrator sneaks in.

907
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 3: He sneaks into an evidence room and then in there

908
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 3: he runs into a police officer and kills him with

909
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: a throwing knife. He steals the officers. I was thinking

910
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: at first he stole his clothes and his badge, but

911
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: I think maybe he just takes his badge or his

912
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: name tag, because you know, this police officer's clothes would

913
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: have a big knife hole in the front and a

914
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 3: bunch of blood on it.

915
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, this whole sequence is ridiculous. You know, their standards

916
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: sort of nineties Batman s chaos criminals because there's not

917
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: ultimately nothing smooth about them. They immediately follow up the

918
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: stealth portion of their mission with a seemingly unnecessary murder.

919
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: Right, And so he's disguised as a cop. Now he's

920
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: got this other guy's badge and name tag on. He

921
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 3: loads up a briefcase full of these little plastic baggies

922
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: of white powder. It looks like he's stealing about thirty

923
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: pounds of heroin. And then the killer meets up with

924
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 3: a co conspirator who's been like walking him through the

925
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: heist on a on a walkie talkie. Together they go

926
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: to the front desk and they sign out to this

927
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: suitcase full of drugs, and the guy at the desk

928
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: has a righteous mullet. He's like, some must be some party,

929
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 3: ha hahu.

930
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: According to I was looking at a two thousand and

931
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: nine DEA press release, and according to that press release,

932
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: thirty pounds of heroin might be worth somewhere in the

933
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: neighborhood of for like thirty million dollars. So just go

934
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: ahead and sign that out. To officers shifty and sauce here.

935
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 3: Yes, So on the way out these guys, one of

936
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 3: these guys drops a bag on the staircase in the

937
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 3: lobby of this police building. Somebody is just black joy

938
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 3: to the world, and they leave the building. They pile

939
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 3: into a waiting getaway car. The driver also has a

940
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: mullet and is wearing you know, he's dressed like a

941
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: Bateman bro. They're driving a luxury sedan, so the themes yet again.

942
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 3: They drive away and then the police building explodes, and

943
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 3: as we said in this movie, everything explodes.

944
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, just fireballs of unreal proportion. It's amazing.

945
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 3: But the other guys in the car are like, what

946
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 3: was that, and the infiltrator dude says a little insurance

947
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 3: policy and the guy goes, what the hell for and

948
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: he's like, no witnesses experienced criminals here, and then they're

949
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: all like, oh, yeah, okay. So next we move on

950
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 3: to a stakeout where we meet Dolph Lindegren's character. This

951
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 3: is Detective Jack Caine. He's sitting in a car with

952
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 3: an earpiece listening to a drug deal unfold at what

953
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 3: looks like an empty nearby nightclub and he's got a

954
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: man on the inside wearing a wire. This guy on

955
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 3: the inside is Turner his partner, who is undercover as

956
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: a drug buyer. And the gang Turner is doing this

957
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: deal with is called for some reason, the White Boys.

958
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 3: Their thing is that they are yuppies, So this is

959
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: like a criminal street gang that distributes heroin throughout Houston.

960
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: But they all have Ivy League degrees and they drive

961
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 3: sports cars and they look like a Brooks Brothers catalog.

962
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 3: So it's like, is this one of the concepts of

963
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 3: the gangs from the Warriors, along with like the baseball guys.

964
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 3: If not, it should have been, Yeah, I agree. And

965
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 3: Victor Manning, the leader of the gang, is giving a

966
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 3: speech to Turner about how he once thought his education

967
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: would be his saving grace, but then he got out

968
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 3: of Princeton and he realized nbas were quickly becoming a

969
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 3: devalued commodity. So he says he went back to school

970
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: and got another master's in international banking, and then he's

971
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 3: like quizzing Turner, and in character he's like, what university

972
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 3: did you attend? And Turner says a funny but sort

973
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: of unrepeatable line, and then before the gang boss here

974
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 3: gets to the point of his story. His preppagoons arrive

975
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 3: with the heroine they stole from the police warehouse. By

976
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 3: the way, this is one of these scenes taking place

977
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 3: on a street where the storefronts are just all apparently

978
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: liquor stores and adult movie theaters, and they all have

979
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 3: neon signs.

980
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: He's very convincing. I don't know if they had to

981
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: build this or they just found this in Houston.

982
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 3: So they let Turner see the merchandise. Yep, that's a

983
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 3: bunch of drugs. And then he opens up a briefcase

984
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 3: full of money, and Victor Manning goes on with his speech.

985
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 3: He's like, you know, if you don't have at least

986
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 3: a master's degree these days, you could find yourself really desperate.

987
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 3: You might have to turn to a life of crime,

988
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 3: or even worse, become a cop. And meanwhile, right next door,

989
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 3: two guys in duster coats run into an unrelated liquor

990
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 3: store and start robbing it. They're roughing up customers, they're

991
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 3: pointing a shotgun at the shop owner, and Dolph Londegren

992
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 3: sitting in his car he sees this happening. Uh oh,

993
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 3: Jack Kaine is supposed to be listening in on the

994
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 3: wire for Turner to make the deal so they can

995
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 3: make the arrests. But now there are people in peril.

996
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 3: What's a dolf gonna do. Of course, he's gonna go

997
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 3: administer some roundhouse kicks, So he drops his earpiece. He says,

998
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 3: keep talking, guys, and he goes and he roundhouse kicks

999
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 3: one of the guys in the in the store and

1000
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: then shoots the other one. And unfortunately, while Kanine is

1001
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 3: busy doing that, not listening, the gang boss reveals that

1002
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 3: they know Turner's real identity. They've been playing him this

1003
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: whole time. They shoot Turner, they take the money he brought,

1004
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 3: and then Victor Manning leaves the scene, telling his goons

1005
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 3: to make sure they get quote every grain of that heroin.

1006
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 3: But after the boss leaves, while the preppy henchmen are

1007
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: finishing up with the scene, a new player arrives and hey,

1008
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 3: it's the alien from that flaming crater. He comes up

1009
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 3: to the henchman, he says, I come in peace. Then

1010
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 3: he attacks them with an alien murder disc that shoots

1011
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 3: out of his wrist. Rob do you want to describe

1012
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 3: the death disk attack?

1013
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? I really love the idea of the death discs,

1014
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: and ultimately it's a lot of fun in the movie.

1015
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the sci fi explanation that they get into

1016
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: about how they work. More on that in a bit,

1017
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: but let's face it, the execution of the effect is adequate.

1018
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't take you out of the movie,

1019
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: but it's very clearly just a CD spinning that they shot.

1020
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: Watching the movie, you really want this thing to be

1021
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: something more like a cross between the tall Man's spheres

1022
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 1: from Phantasm and the Predators killer Frisbee. I don't remember

1023
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: if he had the frisbee in Predator one or if

1024
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 1: that's just a Predator two thing, but that's Predator two. Yeah, Okay,

1025
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: so you want it to be like that INSTEADY weirdly

1026
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: seems to hit with more blunt force impact than slicing terror, So,

1027
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a little disappointing in that regard, but

1028
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: otherwise still effective. You still buy it.

1029
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 3: Yes, On the other hand, I mean it is quite

1030
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 3: clearly just a CD.

1031
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it kind of deflates it a bit too

1032
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: when we had that opening scene with the CD player

1033
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: and the CD flying out. That's not doing that. It's

1034
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: not doing the effect any favors.

1035
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a strange. It's strange to offer that visual comparison.

1036
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 3: It's almost like the alien got the idea of using

1037
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 3: a CD from that scene. Yeah, So after defeating the henchman,

1038
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 3: the alien steals the heroine and leaves the alien one

1039
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: of those drugs, and then Dolph Lundgren comes in to

1040
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 3: find his partner dead. So in the next scene, police

1041
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 3: are all over the place, so we kind of get

1042
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 3: a walk through. Somebody says, looks like somebody put the

1043
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 3: White Boys through the Queason art, I guess, referring to

1044
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 3: the cuts from the fly disc and Jack Kaine's boss

1045
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: arrives to give the classic reprimand of the rogue cop

1046
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 3: by the chief monologue. So we get eye out to

1047
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 3: break your neck. You're taking it to personal. You're a

1048
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 3: loose cannon. You're off the case, go on vacation. That's

1049
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 3: in order. We're not yet to meet your new partner,

1050
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 3: but that will come in the next scene.

1051
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, by the books.

1052
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 3: Now, in the opening scene, we don't necessarily get a

1053
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 3: great look at the character of Jack Kane because he

1054
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,439
Speaker 3: is sitting in a car. And then the later action

1055
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 3: scene'es in like a dark store where they've shot out

1056
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 3: the light. So let's take in Kane in his full

1057
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 3: glory here.

1058
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say he's essentially a walking big and tall

1059
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 1: store rack in this film. Like I just kept being

1060
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: shocked by just like how much clothing he's wearing, and

1061
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: you know, not just that he's not shirtless, but like

1062
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: it's like, wow, that's a lot of clothes. He had

1063
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: to go to the big and tal shot for that.

1064
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 3: That's specially in this movie. He does not have his

1065
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 3: Ivan Drago blonde Frankenstein haircut. He's got brown hair and

1066
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 3: I don't know what you call this hairdoo, but it's

1067
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 3: more normal looking. It's sort of done up a little

1068
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 3: bit elvisy, but with a I don't know, later more

1069
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 3: eighties kind of style. His outfit includes what looks to

1070
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 3: me like a black denim cutoff of vest. I think

1071
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 3: it used to be a jacket or long sleeve shirt,

1072
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 3: but with the sleeves removed, the badge mounted on the vest.

1073
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: And then this is over a black Houston Astro's T shirt.

1074
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 3: So it's a I thought, an amusing look. But another

1075
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 3: thing I want to get to is that a lot

1076
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 3: of movies of this kind will introduce some sort of

1077
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 3: little personality quirk to their main cop character to distinguish

1078
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,959
Speaker 3: them ever so slightly from the other butt kicking, loose

1079
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 3: cannon cops who get results that we may have encountered

1080
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 3: in our movie Going Lives. For example, with Rutger Howard's

1081
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 3: character Harley Stone in Split Second, the quirk was do

1082
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 3: you remember what it.

1083
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 1: Was, Rob? Oh, he loved coffee and he loves sweets.

1084
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a sweet tooth candy and he put tons

1085
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 3: of sugar in his coffee. Yeah. So that was an

1086
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 3: interesting pick. And honestly, I think the quirk they pick

1087
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 3: for Dolph Lindegren's character here is kind of weak. The

1088
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 3: quirk is that he never breaks a promise. It is

1089
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 3: something that is universally true of his personality and everybody

1090
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 3: knows this about him. Odd choice, Yeah, I agree.

1091
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: I mean it feels kind of mythic or folkloric in

1092
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: its own way, but it also never feels real either.

1093
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: There's like the scene with his on again, off again

1094
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: girlfriend which he's like, I wish you would make a

1095
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: promise to me one day, like you make promises to

1096
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: other people, and he's like, I don't know I'm not

1097
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: ready to do that yet.

1098
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't do it in the scene. But also

1099
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 3: what promises is she aware of him making to other people?

1100
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 3: And also isn't keeping promises just a normal thing that

1101
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 3: is expected of most honest people, Like I feel like

1102
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 3: it would be more notable if a person was known

1103
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 3: for breaking a promise every promise they made.

1104
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it seems like the get to come up

1105
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: with something else with this character, and I mean they

1106
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 1: kind of they kind of weave it into the plot

1107
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: a little bit, but it never really sticks.

1108
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 3: The way it's first introduced is in this scene where

1109
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 3: the chief is you know, Chiefs is chewing him out.

1110
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: He's saying, you're off the case. I command you to

1111
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 3: take vacation, and then he says, actually, no, I don't

1112
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 3: order you to take vacation. I order you to promise

1113
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 3: me you will take all your vacation days because I

1114
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 3: know you never break a promise. Jack Caine, Oh, he

1115
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 3: got him, He got him. Can't get out of this.

1116
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 3: There's no way out unless there is intervention by a

1117
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 3: higher power. And then here we introduce the FEDS. The

1118
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 3: FBI comes in and Dolph meets the character of Agent Switzer.

1119
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 3: An arrogant, domineering FBI agent of the shut up and

1120
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 3: do what you're told style. He explains that his job

1121
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 3: is to know things, and he's smarter than everybody else

1122
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 3: and that regular cops like Dolf are just stupid and

1123
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 3: beneath him, and they need to obey what he says.

1124
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 3: So Switzer takes Dolph in the bathroom to discuss the

1125
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 3: strangeness of the murder scene. It's like, what could have

1126
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 3: left these incisions on the victims? And Dolph says, I've

1127
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 3: seen a lot of knife wounds, but these were done

1128
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 3: by something else. Okay, I mean to be clear, Like

1129
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: we see the wounds in the movie and that nothing

1130
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 3: seems all that remarkable about them.

1131
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also we don't have a weapon.

1132
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 3: Yeah that's right.

1133
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: They're like, what could have done?

1134
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 3: Whatever this weapon is, it's the key to understanding what

1135
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 3: happened here. So Switzer decides that Cain should be back

1136
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 3: on the case. He comes and he tells the chief, Hey,

1137
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 3: you know, you've got to put him back on the case,

1138
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 3: and the chief complies. But the condition here is that

1139
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 3: Cain has to be paired with a new partner, and

1140
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 3: Dolph might as well look directly into the camera and

1141
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 3: shrug while a zoink sound effect plays. It's like new Partner. Okay,

1142
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 3: so it's a classic cop movie pair up. The new

1143
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 3: partner is a sharply dressed f BI agent named Larry Smith,

1144
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 3: and it's cop oil versus FBI water. Cain is tall,

1145
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 3: Smith is short, Cain is buff, Smith is skinny. Smith

1146
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 3: is by the book. Cain plays by his own rules.

1147
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 3: Smith is snooty and stuck up, while Cain is down

1148
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 3: to earth. You could have a beer with him. Smith

1149
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 3: operates on reason and logic, which the movie implies are

1150
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 3: stupid and doomed to fail, while Cain relies on instinct,

1151
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 3: which is smart and gets results.

1152
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a whole sequence where they discuss the difference

1153
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: between relying on your gut and relying on logic and

1154
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: learning without ever drawing the obvious. I mean, I would

1155
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: think to everyone, connection between learning and repetition and instinct. Yeah,

1156
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: like you like, these things go hand in hand. Why

1157
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: these things like these are falsely separate categories here?

1158
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, to the to the extent that instinct

1159
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 3: would actually be useful. It's like because of experience. Yeah,

1160
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 3: but essentially they're setting it up where like Cain is

1161
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 3: a jock and Smith is a nerd, and this movie

1162
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 3: hates nerds. Well, actually there are some nerds later on

1163
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 3: that we find out are okay, but certain nerds are

1164
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 3: not so good. And in the scene where they very

1165
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 3: first meet in the chief's office, they are immediately clashing

1166
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 3: because Smith condescends to Cain. He's like trying to explain

1167
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 3: the definition of the word parameters, and Cain is getting mad,

1168
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 3: and then they get interrupted when the coroner comes in.

1169
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 3: The coroner is Diane Palone, as we mentioned earlier. She

1170
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 3: also happens to be Cain's girlfriend or something like that.

1171
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: They are in some kind of ambiguous romantic relationship. Oh

1172
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 3: and something I didn't mention before. Apparently Jack Caine went

1173
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 3: off the grid for eight days before the nightclubs stakeout,

1174
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 3: and nobody knew where he was or if he was

1175
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 3: even alive, including his boss and including Diane. Though it's

1176
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 3: I don't think it's ever explained why he went dark

1177
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 3: old this do they ever say.

1178
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: We never get an explanation, He never has to explain

1179
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: what was yeah, and we just kind of forget about

1180
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: it after a while.

1181
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 3: Maybe his reason was just instinct.

1182
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, or maybe he had a really good reason he

1183
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: made a promise about it. I don't know.

1184
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 3: Anyway. So Jack and Smith are in the room and

1185
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 3: the coroner comes into the scene to explain that the

1186
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 3: forensics work is done. The murder weapon was quote razor

1187
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 3: thin and razor sharp. It made a deep, straight incision.

1188
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 3: I'd have trouble making with the scalpel. And the chief says,

1189
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 3: how do you explain it? And the coroner says, I can't,

1190
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 3: music sting. Everyone in the room makes ominous eyes at

1191
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 3: each other. I was laughing out loud here. I'm reminded

1192
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 3: of our episode on the cattle mutilation Panic, where it's like,

1193
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 3: it's impossible to explain these cuts in the skin being

1194
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 3: so straight and precise with earthly technology. Oh and also

1195
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 3: the Jack tries to patch things up with Diane after this,

1196
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 3: but it doesn't go well. She's mad at him because

1197
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 3: you know, he disappeared for eight days without talking to her,

1198
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 3: and Smith mocks Jack's relationship troubles.

1199
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: Smith is not likable at first. He thankfully he does

1200
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: grow on you. But they really come out strong with

1201
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: the idea that this guy's just unlikable, that we're totally

1202
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: un team Dolph at this point and can't wait to

1203
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: lose this guy.

1204
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 3: That's right, So we get to see them clashing again

1205
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 3: because they get immediately into some police work. Smith wants

1206
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 3: to start off their investigation by reading the coroner's report

1207
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 3: and Kine wants to ignore the report and go straight

1208
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 3: to the scene of the crime. Smith explains how he

1209
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 3: solves crimes according to the quote Switzer Manual. It is

1210
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 3: a handbook created by his boss, Agent Switzer. And to

1211
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 3: be fair, yet that does sound really lame. But the

1212
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 3: handbook includes advice such as exploit the knowledge of experts.

1213
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 3: Their expertise is essential. And Jack Caine is dismissive of this,

1214
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 3: and rightly so. It would be foolish to clutter your

1215
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 3: mind with facts about the case. You know, He's you're

1216
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 3: supposed to go to the crime scene and like get

1217
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 3: a vibe, feel it out.

1218
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, just just feel it out. And we see this

1219
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: all the time in cop shows, right, I Mean, there's

1220
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: like a cop and he just has to inhabit the scene,

1221
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, he has to get in the mind of

1222
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: the killer, put in some headphones and listen to some

1223
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: music and kind of like have a have a jazz session.

1224
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: With the crime scene.

1225
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he has to really feel it. But then, oh,

1226
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 3: and then there's some more clashing because the Switzer manual

1227
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 3: says that you're supposed to dress professionally. Smith says external

1228
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 3: things are very important. They tell people who you are.

1229
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 3: And Jack Kane is apparently just not dressed up to standards.

1230
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 3: But once they get to the crime scene, this dynamic continues.

1231
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 3: Jack mark Smith for taking measurements and notes at the

1232
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 3: crime scene. What a nerd? Jack says, So it's all clinical. Huh,

1233
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 3: what about in stinct? And Smith thinks instinct is no good.

1234
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 3: Jack says it works for him. Meanwhile, we're going to

1235
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 3: see the arrival of a second man from space. There's

1236
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 3: like a derelict building where there's a woman sorting through

1237
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 3: aluminum cans. Suddenly a fireball hits from above, plows through

1238
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 3: a bunch of walls, and a guy dressed like the

1239
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 3: first alien emerges, except he has dark hair instead of

1240
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 3: blonde hair. And this is the one with the scullet.

1241
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 3: This is going to be our good alien.

1242
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: Yes, who spoiler is hunting the bad alien.

1243
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 3: Right, but we also see the bad alien at work.

1244
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 3: We're going to get our first alien heroin attack scene

1245
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 3: in a scene structure that will be recreated several more

1246
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 3: times in the film The Blonde Alien like he attacks

1247
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 3: a bail bondsman in his office late at night, and

1248
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 3: he does some kind of weird stuff to his body

1249
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 3: before murdering him. Rob, do you want to explain the

1250
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 3: breakdown of one of these attacks?

1251
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: Sure? Sure, this is how it goes down. So first,

1252
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: our evil alien drug pusher is going to rip the

1253
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: shirt open a little bit, and then he's going to

1254
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: use sort of like a it's kind of like a tentacle,

1255
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: but also kind of like a kind of like the

1256
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: thing Scorpion shoots out of his wrist in Mortal Kombat.

1257
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it's I think of it as a

1258
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: heroin injector tentacle. So this embeds in your chest and

1259
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: just fills you with like a lethal dose or a

1260
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: near lethal dose of heroin, just all the heroin in

1261
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: the world pumped directly into you. And then while this

1262
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: is going through your system, he has this big spike

1263
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: that he loads out of his like wrist gauntlet thing,

1264
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: and he drives that into your brain to then we

1265
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: get a lot of sci fi explanations about this later,

1266
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: but Essentially, he's draining the brain juice out of your

1267
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: heroin addled brain and then using that later to manufacture

1268
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: his own special space drug.

1269
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 3: That's right, So that what you were calling the heroin

1270
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 3: injector tentacle. I was thinking of as the drug snake.

1271
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's like a it's like a prehensile winding

1272
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 3: kind of thing. It stabs into the people, it injects them,

1273
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 3: and then he gets the brain juice.

1274
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: Oh and then the spike. Yeah is really really they

1275
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: did a great job with the effects on this, because

1276
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: the spike really looks brutal when he drives this into.

1277
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: One of the victims says, they don't show it at first.

1278
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: They kind of successfully build up the mystique regarding like

1279
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: what exactly is he doing to these people, But then

1280
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: we see it. Yeah, he's draining something out of their

1281
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: brains after he gets them high with the heroin.

1282
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 3: Oh and every time he says, I come in peace.

1283
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: Yes.

1284
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 3: There are also later scenes where he does the same

1285
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 3: attack on different people. He attacks a guy driving a forklift,

1286
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 3: a woman repairing a car, and in these later scenes

1287
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 3: we see the scullet alien chasing after the blonde alien

1288
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 3: blowing up nearly every car and building in Houston in

1289
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 3: the process, so many explosions. There's one scene where that

1290
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 3: the fugitive alien is just running away by like jumping

1291
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 3: from car hood to car hood. He's like running in

1292
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 3: every step lands on a different cars as they're parked

1293
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 3: in a row, and all of the cars explode as

1294
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:04,959
Speaker 3: soon as he jumps off of them.

1295
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: Because the aliens, in addition to these gadgets that we've

1296
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: already mentioned with the bad Alien, they also have these

1297
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: crazy guns that I believe are also based on like

1298
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 1: the same underlying technology that he used to create the

1299
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: RoboCop gun. They have this like crazy space gun that

1300
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: just explodes everything in its line of fire.

1301
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it shoots explosives at a buzzing rate of fire.

1302
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 3: But the blonde alien just keeps getting away. So we

1303
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 3: come back to our cops. Jack Caine apparently is going

1304
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 3: to show Agent Smith how to work by instinct, and

1305
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 3: so he takes him to some kind of combination nightclub

1306
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 3: bar slash strip club and he says, I can think here,

1307
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 3: and Smith is not happy with this. He's like, I

1308
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 3: don't drink on duty. And then Jack Caine goes and

1309
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 3: harasses and sort of beats up a guy, some regular

1310
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 3: informant of his. This is owner, Yeah, this is the

1311
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 3: ratcatcher from Split Second. But this apparently gets them nowhere.

1312
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 3: The guy has no information to report except to say

1313
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 3: that like, oh, there's no drugs on the streets. Everything

1314
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,799
Speaker 3: dried up. What happened? Smith promises to file a report

1315
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 3: about this, but Jack Caine does get insight in this

1316
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 3: scene unrelated to his harassment of this poor guy here

1317
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 3: by looking at a nearby pool table in the bar.

1318
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 3: And I didn't understand what his revelation was at first,

1319
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 3: but then going back on it, I realized, Oh, he's

1320
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 3: watching the ball bouncing off the walls of the pool

1321
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 3: table to make a bank shot. And then he realizes

1322
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 3: that the weapon at the murder scene was a projectile

1323
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 3: that bounced off the walls.

1324
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't understand the connection either, but hey, I

1325
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: mean that's the thing. We're too logical. He is an

1326
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: investigator that is based entirely an instinct.

1327
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 3: That's true. We are nerds and losers who rely on reason,

1328
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 3: and that's not getting us anywhere, so we would never

1329
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 3: solve this case. He goes back to the crime scene,

1330
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 3: digging Smith with him, and they find the weapon. They

1331
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 3: see Jack Kane sort of like models how it flew

1332
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 3: around the room and realizes it ended up lodging itself

1333
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 3: in a speaker cabinet, and it's still there in the

1334
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 3: speaker cabinet. It's like jammed into the speaker cone and

1335
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 3: like vibrating, and it looks again like a metal CD.

1336
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 3: It looks it's a disc and if removed from the speaker,

1337
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 3: it cuts them and flies around the room until lodging

1338
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 3: itself back in the speaker. So they have found the

1339
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 3: secret alien weapon. Jack Kane takes the weapon home to

1340
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 3: his apartment, against the protestation of Smith, who quotes the

1341
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 3: Switzer Manual saying that evidence must be turned over in

1342
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 3: a timely manner. And again, I'm sorry I get a

1343
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 3: side with him here. He's right, like, can cops just

1344
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 3: take evidence home with them overnight? What about chain of custody?

1345
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's just normal evidence, not even getting into

1346
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,480
Speaker 1: the realm of strange alien weapons that nobody understands.

1347
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 3: But in this scene we get a little bit of

1348
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 3: the thawing of the reallyationship between them, because Smith follows

1349
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,560
Speaker 3: Jack Kine into his apartment and he is immediately impressed

1350
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 3: Jack Kane, but why he's impressed was funny. He's impressed

1351
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 3: that Jack Kane has like high end wine and fine

1352
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 3: art on his walls. So Smith is like, wow, I

1353
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 3: thought you were a low life, but actually you are

1354
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 3: secretly very classy and I didn't realize.

1355
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love that. Like this kind of reveals

1356
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: more about Kane's character, but also doesn't. It's just kind

1357
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: of like, oh, he likes paintings and he likes wine,

1358
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,759
Speaker 1: all right, very well, yeah, he's a wine guy instead

1359
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: of a beer guy. I guess that's some level of depth.

1360
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 3: It seems like he's a beer guy in public but

1361
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 3: a wine guy in private. What does that mean? Well, anyway,

1362
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 3: Jack threatened Smith. He's like, if you try to take

1363
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 3: this evidence from me, I'm gonna I'm gonna hit you

1364
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 3: very very hard. So Smith leaves, and then Jack later

1365
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 3: goes to Diane's apartment to be like, I love you.

1366
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 3: You know I'm sorry that I didn't tell you where

1367
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 3: I was for eight days. She's she's very mad. But

1368
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 3: here's where we get to that that bizarrely written line

1369
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 3: where she's like, Jack promised me something. She says, promise

1370
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 3: to remember my birthday promise you'll come meet my mother,

1371
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 3: promise me anything. I just want you to promise me

1372
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,679
Speaker 3: something like you promise everybody else.

1373
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like a very low bar for him

1374
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: to meet in this relationship. So it's really hard to

1375
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: figure this one out. What they were trying to try

1376
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: trying to reveal about this character.

1377
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 3: I feel like he could have workshopped that. Yeah, I

1378
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 3: don't know. Yeah, but he doesn't promise her anything. They

1379
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 3: just start smooching, you know. And Dolf comes back to

1380
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 3: his apartment the next morning to find it ransacked and

1381
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 3: Smith is hiding inside. Smith says he just got there.

1382
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 3: He found it like this. Somebody tried to steal the

1383
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 3: evidence the alien weapon, but fortunately Jack dropped it off

1384
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 3: the night before with somebody else who Well, here we're

1385
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 3: going to meet another character, the scientist who works at

1386
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 3: the university. And what's this is Jack Kane actually associating

1387
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 3: with a nerd. I guess there really is more to

1388
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 3: him than meets the eye. And in this scene they

1389
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 3: go talk to the nerd and it is explained that

1390
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 3: the murder disc works by electro magnetism, being attracted to

1391
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 3: the electric charge of the human body or to any

1392
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 3: or to any magnetic charge. So they say, the reason

1393
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 3: it's lodged in the speaker is because the speaker cone

1394
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 3: has a magnet in it. That's the driver, and it

1395
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 3: was attracted to that. But you can tune it to

1396
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 3: attack the charge of a human body. And the scientist says,

1397
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 3: it's like turning your radio dial to K I L L.

1398
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: This whole scene with what is his name, Bruce, I

1399
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 1: think the scientists vary over the top. This is some

1400
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 1: of the other like intentional humor humorous parts of the

1401
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: film are a little more subtle, but this is one

1402
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: of the moments where it's really ratcheted up, like a

1403
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: like some sort of an explosion that's been triggered for

1404
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 1: a string of cars.

1405
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 3: And I would say with mixed success. Some of the

1406
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 3: gags in the scene really fall flat. Others are kind

1407
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 3: of funny, Like it is funny the way the scientist

1408
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 3: is frantically trying to hide pills from the FBI guy, Well,

1409
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 3: that was.

1410
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: Good, Yeah, it's like these are vital to my research.

1411
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 3: So they leave the disc with the scientist and then

1412
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 3: later Jack and Smith meet with Diane at the coroner's

1413
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:28,480
Speaker 3: office to review new evidence from the alien murder suspects

1414
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 3: the people who have gotten you know, drug snaked, and

1415
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 3: she explains what's going on. People are being injected with

1416
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 3: massive heroin overdoses. They don't know why yet, but she's like,

1417
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 3: you know, people do all kinds of weird stuff to

1418
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 3: each other. And then she looks at Jack. But on

1419
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 3: the way out, Jack, oh, this is the scene where

1420
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 3: he gets a postcard from the villain from Victor Manning

1421
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 3: and Rio that's just like it's just like, Jack, wish

1422
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 3: you were dead. I hate you. I'm sending people to

1423
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 3: kill you right now.

1424
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll never see this guy again. There's no follow

1425
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 1: up to this part of the plot. At the end.

1426
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 3: You get a sense that the ending is kind of

1427
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 3: like the ending of Silence of the Lambs, where it's like,

1428
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 3: you know, they're going after Chilton and wherever he is.

1429
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 3: But okay, so Victor Mannings gang is coming after Jack

1430
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,719
Speaker 3: Jack for some reason. So there's like a car chase

1431
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,759
Speaker 3: where his goons chase Jack and Smith around in traffic.

1432
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 3: So they're like, okay, we got to go confront these guys.

1433
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 3: So they go to the White Boy's headquarters, which just

1434
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 3: seems to be like a big law firm Jack like.

1435
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 3: He gets inside by setting off a bunch of car

1436
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 3: alarms on the sports cars outside. People open the door

1437
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 3: and he sneaks in. He beats up the guards outside

1438
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 3: the board meeting and then goes into the board meeting

1439
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 3: confronts Warren, the second in command, and Warren thinks that

1440
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 3: it is the cops who killed their guys and stole

1441
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 3: all the heroin. Jack doesn't know what he's talking about,

1442
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 3: so they're like, well, then, who actually took all the heroin?

1443
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 3: They don't know, but the gang has no drugs to deal,

1444
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 3: so their business is suffering. So Warren makes a deal.

1445
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 3: He says, all right, we have captured your your FBI

1446
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 3: buddy Smith here and we're going to kill him unless

1447
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 3: Jack goes and buys them a bunch of heroin for

1448
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 3: them to sell. This is the scene where we meet

1449
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 3: al Leong because he's the guy who's supposed to be

1450
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 3: like selling the heroin to Jack, but it's a double cross.

1451
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 3: He gives Jack an empty suitcase with nothing in it

1452
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 3: after Jack gives him the money, and then he runs

1453
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 3: out of the building. Jack chases after him, but on

1454
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 3: pursuit he encounters Aliens. The blonde Ali and meets him,

1455
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 3: I think, like grabs him by the neck. But then

1456
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 3: the cop alien shows up and they start shooting at

1457
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 3: each other and they make the whole alley way explode

1458
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 3: and Jack witnesses the entire thing.

1459
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: So at this point things are finally like getting back

1460
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: on track. I feel like the investigation portion of the

1461
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: movie feels like he goes on a bit too long.

1462
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 1: There aren't any explosions, you know. Luckily we do have

1463
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 1: those random scenes with the aliens to keep things moving.

1464
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 3: Oh meanwhile, in this whole scene, Smith beats up his

1465
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 3: captors and escapes, so maybe hey, he's maybe he's part

1466
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 3: jock after all. But after this, we we sort of

1467
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 3: followed the blonde alien back to his lair like he's

1468
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 3: you know, he has this big fight and he gets

1469
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 3: away and we see him go back to It's kind

1470
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 3: of in fact, it's kind of like when we see

1471
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 3: the Predator, like, you know, cleaning his trophies in the

1472
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 3: first movie.

1473
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we find that he's he's just basically camped

1474
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,839
Speaker 1: out in the ruins there, the industrial ruins there in Houston.

1475
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: When I would see the trailer for this movie and

1476
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 1: the promotional materials back in the day. I always assumed

1477
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: that that this guy was going to like take over

1478
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: or insert himself into the local drug world using his technology.

1479
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: You know those maybe those crazy discs that fly around

1480
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 1: attracted to people's electromagnetic fields. I assumed he was going

1481
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,879
Speaker 1: to maybe be using some sort of of a crazy

1482
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 1: space drug that the world wasn't ready for. He's going

1483
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,839
Speaker 1: to dominate the market, destroy the competition. But no, instead

1484
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 1: he's operating like a lone wolf out here, you know,

1485
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 1: living amidst the ruins, just harvesting what he needs to

1486
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: fill up is this small supply of drugs that he's

1487
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 1: going to bring back I guess to his home planet

1488
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 1: or his home system.

1489
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 3: Is he also using the drugs he's harvesting for his

1490
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 3: own pleasure? I think we see him do that.

1491
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: I believe so. Yeah. I mean in general, he does

1492
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,759
Speaker 1: a lot of snarling, and you know, he has again

1493
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: just a terrific performance here. Just he's a beast. But yeah,

1494
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 1: I think he is also using this special brain drug.

1495
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: What do they call it? It's called like barci, Is

1496
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: that right, Barsie? I think, yeah, we find out eventually

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Speaker 1: it's called BARSI.

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Speaker 3: That's human brain juice. That's what it's called barsie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but at least that's what the good cop tells

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01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: us when he dies in the backseat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we'll get there in just a second. Okay,

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01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 3: But first there is a scene between Jack and Diane

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01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 3: where she explains, how you know all the murder victims

1504
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 3: have a hole jammed in their heads all the way

1505
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 3: down to their pituitary glands. Ah, there it is m

1506
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 3: which she says, this is where endorphins are created. She

1507
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 3: explains that endorphins aren't nature's ecstasy. So if you shot

1508
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 3: somebody full of heroin then extracted the endorphins from their

1509
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 3: pituitary gland, you would have on your hands the perfect drug.

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01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,560
Speaker 3: The only problem is nobody on Earth has the technology

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01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 3: to extract, preserve, or administer endorphins. Not yet. But Jack

1512
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 3: puts it all together. He's like, Aha, nobody on Earth.

1513
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 3: So now I know for sure we're dealing with aliens,

1514
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 3: he tells Smith. They go back to their scientist's friend

1515
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 3: to try to get the disc back because they got

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01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 3: some physical evidence to back up the drug dealer theory,

1517
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 3: the alien drug dealer theory. Sorry, but when they get there,

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01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 3: the disc has been stolen. The scientist says that the

1519
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 3: disc was stolen by guys who looked like Smith. So

1520
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 3: you assume at this point that means more of these

1521
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 3: prep be gang members. You know, they're dressed in their

1522
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 3: suits and they're back to square one. But then the

1523
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 3: alien drug dealer attacks more people in a convenience store

1524
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 3: and gets into a fight with the alien cop, and

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01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 3: the alien cop is injured in the fight, like he's

1526
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 3: got sort of ian home from alien guts hanging out

1527
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:23,680
Speaker 3: of his belly, and eventually Jack well, first they get

1528
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 3: to the cops get to the location, and Jack is

1529
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 3: ordered off the case once again. The Feds take over everything.

1530
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 3: They're like, Jack, now you really have to go on vacation,

1531
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 3: and he convinces Diane to quit her job and go

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01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 3: on vacation with him. But before they can do that,

1533
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 3: Jack gets into his car and he is confronted by

1534
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 3: the cop alien who's like hiding in his back seat.

1535
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 3: I guess somehow he knows Jack can be trusted unlike

1536
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 3: anybody else here.

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01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: He can tell, he can tell that this is a

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01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: true police officer, you know, a man who solves crimes

1539
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: with his gut as opposed to his logic. This is

1540
01:20:58,160 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: the guy I need to bring the details of the

1541
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: case to instinct.

1542
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 3: Can recognize instinct. Yes, So the alien explains, I am

1543
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 3: a law enforcement officer from space. The other alien is

1544
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 3: a drug pusher from space. And he explains if he escapes,

1545
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 3: he will bring more like him to Earth because they'll

1546
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 3: realize this is a good place to harvest endorphins and

1547
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 3: they will kill millions to steal their brain juice. Oh,

1548
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 3: and then Smith is in the car with him at

1549
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 3: this point. So Smith witnesses all of this. He knows

1550
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 3: about the alien at this point. And then the alien

1551
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 3: self destructs. They're like, we've we've got his body to

1552
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 3: show people, so they'll have to believe us. And then

1553
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 3: like light starts coming out of his mouth and his

1554
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:39,640
Speaker 3: eyes and he explodes.

1555
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: It does like a mini quickening and then explodes.

1556
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he leaves behind his alien gun as evidence.

1557
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 3: Smith insists on turning in this piece of evidence, and

1558
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 3: he holds Jack at gunpoint to be like, you're not

1559
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 3: taking this one. I'm taking this to the boss. You know,

1560
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 3: this is we got to go by the book. But

1561
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 3: there's a double cross. He takes the gun to Switzer,

1562
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 3: and Switzer instead of you know, using it to expose

1563
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 3: the whole plot. He like hides the gun in a

1564
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 3: bag and he's like, Okay, this will be of great

1565
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 3: use to the US military for our you know, for

1566
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 3: our global domination. Now we're going to have to kill

1567
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 3: Jack Cain. And then he does another double cross and

1568
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,440
Speaker 3: he's about to kill Smith, I guess to eliminate witnesses

1569
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 3: once again, but Jack Caine shows back up and saves

1570
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 3: Smith's life by shooting Switzer. After this, Smith just fully

1571
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 3: converts to Harley Stone. You know. He's like, I'm kind

1572
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 3: of used to following procedure, but now I think we

1573
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 3: should just and he holds up the alien gun and

1574
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 3: he's like kicks some ass.

1575
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 1: And so it's it's definitely going to be just all

1576
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: explosions in action from here on out, and that's ultimately

1577
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 1: what this film does best.

1578
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 3: Right, So there's a bunch of the rest of the

1579
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 3: movie is really just fight scenes. There's like a fight

1580
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,799
Speaker 3: scene where they go and try to confront the alien

1581
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 3: and shoot him with the alien gun, but it gets away.

1582
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,600
Speaker 3: They're injured in the process. They have to retreat the

1583
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 3: two cops. Finally, they eventually meet up with Diane. She's like, hey,

1584
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 3: I quit my job, ready to go on vacation, and

1585
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,799
Speaker 3: they're like, no, we have to kill an alien drug dealer.

1586
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 3: So then all three of them are again can they

1587
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 3: confront the alien. There is a final showdown inside an

1588
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 3: abandoned factory, of course, where Dolph ends up taunting the

1589
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 3: alien drug dealer by like smashing the endorphin vials. He's like, oh,

1590
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 3: you're precious, Barsie, I've got it now, and he's smashing

1591
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 3: it on the floor and there's a big you think

1592
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,799
Speaker 3: at the end that the alien is going to defeat

1593
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 3: Dolph by like piercing him with the drug snake, but

1594
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 3: in the end, Dolf is able to out you know,

1595
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 3: outdrawn the alien and twist the drug snake back on him,

1596
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 3: and then he injects him. He like kicks him into

1597
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 3: a pipe where the pipe stabs through him, much like

1598
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 3: the defeat of the villain at the end of the

1599
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 3: movie Come and with Arnold Schwarzenegger, by the way, where

1600
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 3: the villains, yeah, gets shoved into a pipe. And then

1601
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 3: in the end, the alien just says, once again, I

1602
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 3: come in peace, and Dolph Lindgren says, you go in pieces.

1603
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: It's a great exchange, it's a great exchange. I think

1604
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 1: they give it away in the trailer, but it's great

1605
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: when you finally reach it organically at the end of

1606
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 1: this journey.

1607
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 3: And then at the end of the movie, the three

1608
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 3: friends are like, hey, we did it.

1609
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I think they're all going to go

1610
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:34,759
Speaker 1: on vacation together. They're talking about this vacation, but Smith's

1611
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: there too, and so yeah, I'm assuming that they just

1612
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 1: all go on vacation together. And I'm fine with it.

1613
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 1: I think it's great.

1614
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 3: They're three way buried now and they're going to go

1615
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 3: to Rio and get revenge on Victor what's his name. Yeah.

1616
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,719
Speaker 1: I love how this film sets up a future adventure

1617
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 1: that does not involve all of the cool stuff that

1618
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: made this film watchable. You know, they're like, up next,

1619
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 1: just just struct dealers. All right. Well, at this point,

1620
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: I do want to come back to a question we

1621
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:05,719
Speaker 1: raised earlier. Is Tallic the drug pushing alien Santa Claus?

1622
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 3: So that's credibly good question.

1623
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you may have a gut answer for this,

1624
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 1: your instincts may tell you one way or another, but

1625
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 1: I thought we might apply a little logic here. So

1626
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: first of all, kind of in the pro category, Tallic

1627
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 1: has white hair. Like Santa he is coming to town.

1628
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 1: We already established that. Yes, he is giving people something

1629
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: that evidence suggests they like. Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean biometrically,

1630
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 1: you can't argue with that. I guess. He arrives from

1631
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 1: on high. Okay, Like Santa Claus in a number of movies,

1632
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: he has to contend with a supernatural adversary that is

1633
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: trying to stop him.

1634
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 3: Oh, this would make the alien good cop kind of

1635
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 3: the pitch of this film.

1636
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. He makes use of various special tools, much

1637
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: like the Santa Claus in that film. Uh huh. He

1638
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: prefers to operate in the shadows. Obviously, his blood or

1639
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: may not be eggnog, which you know is very Christmas y.

1640
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 1: I also have to add he may use a sleigh

1641
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: in Reindeer. We never see what made the crater. We

1642
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: don't know if talk and the other alien just fell

1643
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 1: from the sky, We don't know. You know, if they

1644
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 1: were encapsuled in anything, If there's a spaceship, but disposable

1645
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: spaceship they travel in, well, it's just left to the imagination,

1646
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 1: and you may use your imagination to insert a sleigh

1647
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:28,520
Speaker 1: with Reindeer.

1648
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 3: Therefore, he did use a sleigh in reindeer, disprove or

1649
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 3: accept exactly.

1650
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 1: However, he has no beard. That's just undeniable. Taalik has

1651
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 1: no beard, therefore maybe he's not Santa. Also, he does

1652
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 1: not reward and punish with his gift giving. Instead, it's

1653
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 1: heroin and brain drains for everybody, unless he blows you

1654
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 1: up with his space gun instead. And then finally, there

1655
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 1: are no rules of correspondence with talent clause, like nobody's

1656
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 1: riding to Tallic and saying, hey, I've been a good

1657
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: boy this year. I would really like a whole lot

1658
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 1: of heroin shot into my neck with a space snake. Now,

1659
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: you don't communicate with him, he just comes regardless.

1660
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 3: I would also say that no one leaves out milk

1661
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 3: and cookies for Tallic.

1662
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 1: No, no, I mean he doesn't want milking cookies. He

1663
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: wants that sweet brain juice, so he knows where to

1664
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 1: get it. You don't need to leave it out for him.

1665
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,640
Speaker 3: Does he know who's been naughty and who's been nice? Unclear?

1666
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: Unclear? Yeah, I might push that into the con category

1667
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,799
Speaker 1: as well. But hey, maybe you listeners have some thoughts

1668
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: on this. We'd love to hear from you. Also, just

1669
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 1: in general on the topic of Christmas action films. Are

1670
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,560
Speaker 1: there some other key examples that we didn't mention? Do

1671
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,799
Speaker 1: you have some favorites? I don't know. I'll even entertain

1672
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 1: the old sort of false or sort of trumped up

1673
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 1: argument of is Diehard a Christmas movie or not? I mean,

1674
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 1: it's a Christmas movie if you want it to be.

1675
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: Why not?

1676
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 3: Okay? I think that is all I can do on

1677
01:27:58,680 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 3: the icome in piece.

1678
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right in. We'd love to hear from anyone

1679
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 1: else's thoughts on this film. In the meantime, we'll go

1680
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,120
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1681
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:10,679
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1682
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1683
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,360
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1684
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,959
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1697
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