Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here. I thought I made myself
Speaker 1: perfectly clear.
Speaker 2: But you're a.
Speaker 3: Guest to my home. You gotta come to me empty.
Speaker 1: And I said, no, guest, your presences presents enough. I
Speaker 1: already had too much stuff.
Speaker 3: So how did you dare to surbey me?
Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no gift. I'm Bridger Wine girl.
Speaker 2: We are in the backyard. We're here. I hope you
Speaker 2: feel okay. I hope you feel fine. It's been raining
Speaker 2: for about four days. The rain do they say the
Speaker 2: rain is broken? It's gone. The skies are crystal clear.
Speaker 2: And I know you know. A large chunk of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three on this podcast was spent talking about my
Speaker 2: home flooding. It was just kind of a NonStop topic.
Speaker 2: I know you're sick of it. Everyone's sick of it.
Speaker 2: I'm sick of it. Apparently even God wanted a new
Speaker 2: topic on this podcast. Because the house did not flood
Speaker 2: this time, I can reveal today that my home is
Speaker 2: dry for now. So let's all just be thrilled. I'm
Speaker 2: riding a high that's indescribable. Let's get into the podcast.
Speaker 2: Today's guest is so funny, so excited to talk to them.
Speaker 2: It's Vic Machayliss. Oh wow, Vic, I'm just looking dry,
Speaker 2: dry as a bone.
Speaker 4: I thought that before, and I'm a little behind the music.
Speaker 4: I think with this you did fully turn away for
Speaker 4: me to do the intro and then turned into it
Speaker 4: and you said it, and then I.
Speaker 3: Thought, wow, dry as a bone.
Speaker 2: Everything, shoes to hair, everything is, the world is dry.
Speaker 2: The inside of my house is dry.
Speaker 3: Congratulations, by the way, so.
Speaker 2: Much, thank you for your support. The listeners have been
Speaker 2: very supportive. Onalise did not reach out. You know, we're feuding.
Speaker 4: Tough because I would have assumed you'd seen each other
Speaker 4: a couple of times in between that.
Speaker 2: No, no interest on Realise is not interested in the
Speaker 2: moisture level of my home anymore.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a choice. No, it's fine. I'm not judging.
Speaker 3: It's you know. Would I have reached out, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Of course. Had we known each other prior to right now,
Speaker 2: you probably would have been writing.
Speaker 4: Had I seen on Twitter from a stranger that there
Speaker 4: was a chance your house was flooding, I would have
Speaker 4: reached out.
Speaker 2: I wanted to know how was the rain for you?
Speaker 3: Fine? Fine, honestly fun.
Speaker 4: I have spent a lot of time in the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 3: So it's like a snow day for rain.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like it's fun, It's it's costplaying rain
Speaker 4: when l rains.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You feel like it's Yeah, it's because we're not used
Speaker 2: to it, and it feels like kind of a fun,
Speaker 2: exciting little novelty. That's what I want.
Speaker 3: Have you spent much time like in places where it
Speaker 3: rains along?
Speaker 2: No, I grew up in a desert. I live in
Speaker 2: desert Utah.
Speaker 3: Oh amazing.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a surprise desert. I mean, Salt Lake
Speaker 2: City doesn't feel their mountains and.
Speaker 3: It's not like mask Mormon x X.
Speaker 2: But yes, previous Mormon, I'm obsessed you are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I also grew up and I'm if this is offensive?
Speaker 4: Let me know cult adjacent where I'm not denominational, like big, big,
Speaker 4: big churches.
Speaker 2: So was there a name? What was the deal?
Speaker 5: Do you know?
Speaker 3: Harvest Bible Chapel.
Speaker 2: I love that name.
Speaker 3: It is a fantastic name.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I can. I mean, like, listen,
Speaker 4: don't sue me. I can't afford it. I really can't
Speaker 4: afford it. But like our pastor, so I did two
Speaker 4: churches because my dad wasn't very religious, but then he
Speaker 4: was a single dad and I got sucked in because
Speaker 4: you know, they know how to pick them.
Speaker 3: And I I It became my entire personality.
Speaker 2: If you double time, I would.
Speaker 4: Do a regular church at Christ Community Church, and then
Speaker 4: I would do my youth group there and then also
Speaker 4: my youth group at Harvest Bible Chapel, which became the
Speaker 4: big part of my identity.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is too much, I would say, it was
Speaker 2: too much.
Speaker 4: I would agree. I had a big conversation with my dad.
Speaker 4: I remember in a car very vividly, where he goes,
Speaker 4: I don't believe in Hell, and I said, oh my god,
Speaker 4: my dad is going to hell. That is this is
Speaker 4: the worst thing that's ever happened to anybody but I.
Speaker 3: But it was.
Speaker 4: It was one of those things where like our pastor was,
Speaker 4: they were the kind of ones where like they were made,
Speaker 4: they were living the like three million dollar mini mansions,
Speaker 4: and I'm like our pastor got I won't say his
Speaker 4: name because I don't want you guys.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, analyst, I'm looking at you. I don't want
Speaker 3: you in trouble.
Speaker 2: I was constantly getting sued by churches and cults. It's
Speaker 2: kind of their things, and that's.
Speaker 3: Fair enough it but we uh, he got like housted
Speaker 3: from the church by the elders because is allegedly he
Speaker 3: put a hit out on his son in law and
Speaker 3: one of the writers of Christianity today, he like tried
Speaker 3: to hire a hit man.
Speaker 2: And how far into the process process did he get.
Speaker 3: I don't think that far.
Speaker 4: I think that the guy had like recorded him and
Speaker 4: was like, this is a thing that happened, and there.
Speaker 3: Was a big expos in Christianity today.
Speaker 4: And I think he lives in California now and like
Speaker 4: he is a podcast and it's of course like the
Speaker 4: faction of the community that's like I don't understand why
Speaker 4: Pastor I'm not going to say his name. I don't
Speaker 4: understand why Pastor Blank is gone. Like this is like crazy,
Speaker 4: Like people have sinned? Isn't that what we're about? Is
Speaker 4: we sin and we are redeemed? Is that not our thing?
Speaker 4: Which is crazy to me?
Speaker 2: So let me just make sure what.
Speaker 3: You were expecting for today, this is what I was
Speaker 3: hoping for.
Speaker 2: This is what I always want out of the podcast,
Speaker 2: and every guest until now has failed me. So it
Speaker 2: is the official grand opening to hundred episodes later. Okay,
Speaker 2: so Pastor blank Dale, Oh, I love that hires or
Speaker 2: attempts to hire a hitman for two people.
Speaker 4: For two people, the Unity today was doing the expos
Speaker 4: about like basically siphoning money.
Speaker 2: Off of the church towards the mini mansion. Yes, gets ousted,
Speaker 2: then moves to California and starts a podcast.
Speaker 4: I think he just sort of like had his side
Speaker 4: gig because it was one of those things where he
Speaker 4: was like like a at least a local celeb pastor.
Speaker 4: So it was one of those things where that I'm
Speaker 4: assuming was where he got like early podcast money.
Speaker 6: First.
Speaker 2: Oh, inter he was he was in with the stamp
Speaker 2: monkey or what was that thing called male monkey, chimp mail.
Speaker 3: Chip, mail.
Speaker 2: In box, chimp for whatever it's called.
Speaker 4: Sounds right, I'm too nervous to do that. I will
Speaker 4: agree hard with you.
Speaker 2: One of those names must be the name of a
Speaker 2: business that was probably early podcast money. All that aside,
Speaker 2: there were no criminal charges, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think so Wow.
Speaker 4: I think it was like speculation, speculation enough, like he said,
Speaker 4: he said that it was the type of thing where
Speaker 4: it was he got ousted from the church, and I think,
Speaker 4: you know, especially fifteen years ago, that would have been
Speaker 4: like a scandal that nobody ever would.
Speaker 3: Have come back from. Right, And now it's sort of
Speaker 3: just like you can do whatever you want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like in a post sorry to say, a Trump world,
Speaker 4: we're just sort of like, I don't know, Maybe he's right.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's did they think about maybe they should allow
Speaker 3: him to put a hit on those people? Maybe they
Speaker 3: shouldn't be here? Like that was sort of like the vibe.
Speaker 2: Getting away with murder. I'm always like, when you're hiring
Speaker 2: a hit man? Sure, where do you start?
Speaker 3: A great question?
Speaker 2: Did you ask around?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Do you put out like an Instagram?
Speaker 2: Uh? Close friends question? Yeah? Hey guys, kind of a
Speaker 2: private issue, but I have two people that need to
Speaker 2: be dad. They did.
Speaker 3: Do you want me to google this?
Speaker 2: Oh? Let's get you.
Speaker 4: On So sorry, but I'm kind of dying to know,
Speaker 4: is it? I feel like Craigslist has to be the
Speaker 4: only safe place.
Speaker 2: For that these days, right, maybe dark web?
Speaker 3: Dark web?
Speaker 2: Well, but this was probably prior to dark web.
Speaker 4: Can you stumble upon the dark web? That's actually a
Speaker 4: legitimate fear offy.
Speaker 2: Kind of like getting into lost forest or something. Certainly
Speaker 2: like those cartoon eyes in the dark and you hear
Speaker 2: like the howls of wolves and that kind of thing. Yes,
Speaker 2: I don't think you can stumble. I think you have
Speaker 2: to make a real effort. Okay, I think you have
Speaker 2: to get like a maybe it's mail chimp. I think
Speaker 2: that it must be called male chimp.
Speaker 3: That sounds it is you said it, and something inside
Speaker 3: me awoke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like remembering an old song. Yes, we're not
Speaker 2: going to associate male chimp with the dark Web.
Speaker 4: Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly allegedly, we don't know, and we wouldn't speculate.
Speaker 2: I assume that's how their businesses. They get you into
Speaker 2: the dark Web.
Speaker 3: It's just like, how are they still making money? I
Speaker 3: had a streaming service. I think for a little bit
Speaker 3: of my.
Speaker 2: Crazy, streaming services simply aren't making much. Sure, dark Web,
Speaker 2: I think you have to get like a different browser.
Speaker 2: Let's say you have you probably download I Fox dark Web.
Speaker 3: That's what Firefox is.
Speaker 2: Firefox interesting or opera Opera sounds like the browser you
Speaker 2: would get into the dark web.
Speaker 3: Opera like that?
Speaker 4: Is that the type of one where like they donate
Speaker 4: a tree for every Google search you do.
Speaker 3: I know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: There are too many trees at.
Speaker 3: This point, there's too get them out of here.
Speaker 2: You have to burn these things down.
Speaker 4: That's what because now the rain comes because they know
Speaker 4: how many trees we've got, right exactly, So keep your
Speaker 4: house dry. You're very anti rain, I've heard, especially in southern.
Speaker 2: Telifornia, the anti rain. I want, i want this to
Speaker 2: be a full desert. I'm ready for the water wars. Yeah,
Speaker 2: i am. I'm one of the few people that's like,
Speaker 2: I'm stalking the water in my house. I've got bottles
Speaker 2: and bottles. I'm ready to sell the water to people
Speaker 2: who are dying.
Speaker 4: I really love that. I'm sorry. I know this is
Speaker 4: your show, but I'm desperate to ask a question.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 3: You said, ex Mormon, how long you've been out of.
Speaker 2: Mormonism is That's a great question. It's I don't know,
Speaker 2: like the slow exit began when I was maybe twenty
Speaker 2: is oh baby, But then it was a decade before
Speaker 2: I came out. And then but like in that decade
Speaker 2: was the real leaving the church. Sure, and then once
Speaker 2: you're professionally gay, then it's like they would have kicked
Speaker 2: me out anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's some people like they get really involved, there's
Speaker 2: like excommunication and all this, but then you kind of
Speaker 2: have to play their game with them, and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: just leave me alone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a big Sister Wives fan over here.
Speaker 4: Yeah it is oh man, just like so delightful. Though
Speaker 4: then I found out again allegedly they're all in MLMs,
Speaker 4: and that made me like it was hard because in
Speaker 4: the off season when all of them left Cody, I
Speaker 4: was like, amazing, fantastic, fabulous, And then I went to
Speaker 4: Christian's Instagram and I was like, oh, no, we are
Speaker 4: actively all in MLMs.
Speaker 2: Which is are they different MLMs?
Speaker 4: It's one MLM. I can't remember what it is specifically.
Speaker 4: I think I want to say it's a shampoo, but no,
Speaker 4: it's diet stuff.
Speaker 2: Diet stuff. That's a big one.
Speaker 4: It's a big one. And as somebody, I come from
Speaker 4: an MLM family. So my cousin Barbara isn't listening to this.
Speaker 2: But if she is.
Speaker 3: Well, and the good news is you're gonna have to
Speaker 3: sell the house after that, so there's not going.
Speaker 2: To be an issue lawsuits. Your cousin Barbara sure allegedly allegedly, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she does have a babs in her Instagram.
Speaker 4: I'm scared people are going to go find her. Don't
Speaker 4: talk to her about this. I'm begging you.
Speaker 3: I can't. My family can't handle this.
Speaker 2: What was she selling? Am I a little bit?
Speaker 4: Do you know?
Speaker 3: Girl in the Pearl, are you familiar?
Speaker 2: No? What's this?
Speaker 3: My god?
Speaker 4: I'm kind of obsessed with it. It's a little bit
Speaker 4: incredible if I think about it. Actually, it's largely and
Speaker 4: as all of them Marty stays based on Facebook Live.
Speaker 4: What is it called up up so, what's the real name?
Speaker 3: What's the quote real name for it?
Speaker 2: For MLMs?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, pipeline marketing.
Speaker 2: You know the bad words for pyramid scheme.
Speaker 3: Pyramid scheme.
Speaker 2: They call it like direct direct sales.
Speaker 3: Direct sales, which aren't all sales. Kind of direct sales.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like I mean, if you're buying something
Speaker 4: from a grocery store, aren't you directly buying from a grocery.
Speaker 2: I guess it's more you're being direct to the person
Speaker 2: rather than them coming to you.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: Annoying sale, right, annoying sales? Yes, just being irritating.
Speaker 3: Girl and the Pearl.
Speaker 4: You basically it's a lot of being like, Okay, I
Speaker 4: have an oyster. I have an oyster who in the
Speaker 4: chat would like to buy this oyster and then we
Speaker 4: can put it in any kind of set, and so like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm hearing maybe there's two pearls in here, Like let's
Speaker 4: take a peek at this, and then you open it
Speaker 4: up on the live and be like, here's your pearl.
Speaker 4: This is your pearl, and it's going to go in whatever,
Speaker 4: like jewelry set you wanted to go in.
Speaker 2: This is like lottery. This feels illegal. Yeah, you're buying.
Speaker 2: And I thought that this was all going to be metaphorical,
Speaker 2: and they're literally literal.
Speaker 5: Oyster, a old girl, a woman opening a graduating girl
Speaker 5: is opening a pearl, is prying open an oyster on camera?
Speaker 2: Is there ever no pearl?
Speaker 3: Probably?
Speaker 4: So, I think it's kind of one of those things
Speaker 4: where I'm like, I think they.
Speaker 2: To rig it, juice it up.
Speaker 4: I think they got to rig it a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe that's the that's the lottery portion of it.
Speaker 2: They get away with it because it's a guaranteed pearl.
Speaker 3: It's a guaranteed girl.
Speaker 2: Are there ever, like they open it in just dozens
Speaker 2: of pearls? Fim, It's like this disgusting. Does that ever
Speaker 2: happen with an oyster?
Speaker 3: Gotta at some point, right, I think I.
Speaker 2: Do think if you if you say something out loud,
Speaker 2: it's happened.
Speaker 4: I think so too, because it is I have no
Speaker 4: idea is a new idea, And if there's no new ideas,
Speaker 4: then technically it's out there somewhere exactly where to come from.
Speaker 3: And it's like there's octomom, So why couldn't there be autoclam?
Speaker 2: You know? I mean, I fully agreed.
Speaker 3: You said it. I feel great about it.
Speaker 2: So are you are you watching these live Facebook Facebook client?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: I've got to get back on faceboo?
Speaker 3: Well, the company is deceased, defunct.
Speaker 2: Deceased out of money instead, alright.
Speaker 3: It's like themes is out of money.
Speaker 4: I think that they got sued a bunch of times
Speaker 4: because the oysters were coming. Like, I do have a story.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you later, but I can't tell you here
Speaker 4: because I feel like I'm already tearing my family apart
Speaker 4: with this little.
Speaker 2: Your lawyer has quit. Yeah, okay, I've got Girl in
Speaker 2: the Pearl, Girl in the Pearl. Are you aware of
Speaker 2: any other MLMs currently happening?
Speaker 3: Of course?
Speaker 2: What are some others.
Speaker 4: I mean, like you got the classics herbal life, did
Speaker 4: you ever do that?
Speaker 3: There is a shampoo one? Do you know what I'm
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 2: Shampoo I didn't have to do with chessan.
Speaker 3: Oh, chess got to be sounds like we talked about
Speaker 3: the board.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he had a hair that he had a
Speaker 2: shampoo that's making people's hair fall out.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, so I think this monette also was making
Speaker 4: people really sick and making their hair fall out.
Speaker 3: And that one was.
Speaker 4: Also because I think it's a it is a pyramid
Speaker 4: direct marketing scheme.
Speaker 3: Can you still call it scheme if it's the good
Speaker 3: word for it?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 4: Okay, the direct marketing scheme, the dreg sales scheme is
Speaker 4: I think it is like it's all about people buying
Speaker 4: your downline and being like you're gonna be a part
Speaker 4: of this and you're going to sell and.
Speaker 2: You're going to buy a bunch of the products or
Speaker 2: garage is going to be full of this product that
Speaker 2: no one wants.
Speaker 4: Exactly, So I know that's one Herbal life is urban life.
Speaker 2: Is the essential oils, right.
Speaker 3: I think so?
Speaker 4: And then powders and like a skinny tea want it
Speaker 4: feels like it's got to be.
Speaker 2: I mean, if then they made a big mistake with
Speaker 2: that name. If that's not an MLM. Yeah, that's not
Speaker 2: a product somebody buys off a show regularly. Skinny te
Speaker 2: skinny tea.
Speaker 4: But that you know, we say that, and then there's
Speaker 4: Bethany's got the skinny Margarita mix.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she was kind of the original.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and trendsetter.
Speaker 2: It's also yeah, skinny tea.
Speaker 3: Skinny tea.
Speaker 2: What is that? I don't know, Methy.
Speaker 3: It's the thing that influencers are interesting.
Speaker 2: Influencers and MLM go very hand in hand. Interesting.
Speaker 4: Why do you become an influencer if not to be
Speaker 4: the top of an MLAM.
Speaker 2: It is kind of just an MLM. Sure you just
Speaker 2: have that pyramid of followers, Permi Well, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, I guess that is Instagram in general. Is
Speaker 3: Instagram and mL.
Speaker 2: I've exposed something big here.
Speaker 3: I think this is huge.
Speaker 4: It goes all the way to at the end of
Speaker 4: this episode, Pastor Dale is going to call a hit
Speaker 4: on us.
Speaker 3: We've said too much.
Speaker 2: We can now reveal that Pastor Dale is Mark Zuckerberg.
Speaker 3: Is Mark Zuckerberg on at least, did you ever.
Speaker 2: Get any information about hiring a hit person.
Speaker 6: Orne I'm on a monet, yes, but also uh, hiring hitman.
Speaker 6: I found a Cora article which is always trust hiring.
Speaker 3: A hit man?
Speaker 2: Real?
Speaker 3: How do I hire one?
Speaker 6: And basically I'm just going to kind of summarize a
Speaker 6: lot of the tips that this person gave was like,
Speaker 6: just take advantage of vulnerable people. It's like, go hang
Speaker 6: out near the border of Mexico, like go hang out
Speaker 6: near a halfway house people, or like you know, military basis,
Speaker 6: like people looking to make an extra buck.
Speaker 3: Like that's essentially our these.
Speaker 4: Copywriters that are writing this, I feel like it's got
Speaker 4: to be somebody watched, like uh, like the wire or something,
Speaker 4: just like, oh, I I know.
Speaker 3: But immediately I am exing out of this.
Speaker 6: I already wrote a note to my FBI agent in
Speaker 6: a separate search window.
Speaker 3: My job. I'm a I'm on a podcast and I
Speaker 3: have to look up weird things. Please do not arrest me.
Speaker 3: Yeah I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow. So basically, just find someone desperate enough. Yeah,
Speaker 2: get on task, grab it, look, get on fiver.
Speaker 4: I mean I guess that's like anything, right, Yeah, anybody's
Speaker 4: a job other than being desperate enough.
Speaker 3: For money that you have to do it.
Speaker 2: We're all hit men on some level. We're just you know,
Speaker 2: it's hit men. Yeah, MLM's hit men. I feel like
Speaker 2: we've covered two of the bigger topics sort of.
Speaker 3: I mean like that was sort of the list that
Speaker 3: I came in with.
Speaker 2: So what was your exit from the situation? The religious
Speaker 2: situ great question.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's sort of like you said, it
Speaker 4: was the what's that John Green quote where it's like
Speaker 4: slowly and then all at once, you know, which is
Speaker 4: I think about falling in love, but also leaving the
Speaker 4: church specifically. Where I really think it was like pandemic
Speaker 4: was when I, like I left in high school, like
Speaker 4: I think too, like being a queer person and then
Speaker 4: having a lot of complicated because we were very like
Speaker 4: us because I went to I begged my dad to
Speaker 4: let me go to this very Christian high school, and
Speaker 4: so we had a lot of like chapel like in
Speaker 4: the mornings and then also in the afternoon three times
Speaker 4: a week, and then it was like we had a
Speaker 4: lot of like the prey the gay away that would
Speaker 4: like come through. And I remember going up to one
Speaker 4: of my teachers one time and being.
Speaker 3: Like, hey, so like what how how bad.
Speaker 4: Is this on a scale of how bad? And I
Speaker 4: just remember her looking at me and nic and going
Speaker 4: why do you want to know and being like great, great,
Speaker 4: I love this and this is exciting and I think
Speaker 4: that this is good for me. And then we moved
Speaker 4: up to Canada and I was like, you know, it
Speaker 4: just was like a whole world was open up to me.
Speaker 4: I went to an all girls' school and yeah, was
Speaker 4: a very different five.
Speaker 3: So that was sort of like the initial exit.
Speaker 4: But then really over the pandemic, I feel like I
Speaker 4: had this big because I still a little bit like
Speaker 4: the scariest thing that can that I can watch is
Speaker 4: like demons and ghosts, like inhabiting people's because you a
Speaker 4: little bit, I'm just like, you know, it's it's that
Speaker 4: Who's that philosopher that talks about sort of like the
Speaker 4: maybe of it all right, where.
Speaker 3: It's like it's maybe like if God doesn't exist? Was
Speaker 3: it Pascal? Where he talks about like if God doesn't
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: You're asking one of the dumbest people alive.
Speaker 3: No, that's not true. That can't be true. I'm sitting
Speaker 3: right across room you.
Speaker 4: But it's that idea of like if God does exist
Speaker 4: and you believe in him, then like and you say
Speaker 4: you believe in him, then like, what's the what's the harm?
Speaker 3: The worst thing that can happen is that he doesn't exist?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so I think I really live by that
Speaker 4: philosophy for a long time. But then also too, I
Speaker 4: just like the fan club is tough, right right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a not a not an easy exit. No,
Speaker 2: but yeah, ghosts off. I'm always like, well, I kind
Speaker 2: of hope I kind of hope I not come scare me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I kind of love that.
Speaker 4: What would you come back as if you could like
Speaker 4: come back as something you got to.
Speaker 2: Pay like animal wise?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, here's a two part question actually, because it's
Speaker 4: sort of that idea of like if you think you're
Speaker 4: assigned to something based on how you're living your life,
Speaker 4: what do you think you come back as?
Speaker 3: And then like in an ideal world, what would you know?
Speaker 2: Okay, So like what would I be kind of punished
Speaker 2: because of how I am or gifted? Gifted? I would
Speaker 2: say probably like a loose pet, like a small not
Speaker 2: an animal that lives outside, maybe like a gerbil that
Speaker 2: got out of its cage on the outside.
Speaker 4: No, come on, you're painting yourself something that's like five
Speaker 4: years top. Yes, come on, when I'm coming back a
Speaker 4: cockatial at least something.
Speaker 2: An escaped cockatail I could get into.
Speaker 3: The free range cockatile Does that exist.
Speaker 2: Or are they purely bred indoors?
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's a great question.
Speaker 2: Parrots around here.
Speaker 4: Are you saying a loose pet in terms of one
Speaker 4: that got out and escaped and is now living in
Speaker 4: the wild and.
Speaker 2: Kind of just ward bound bound? Interesting?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Interesting?
Speaker 3: Let out on purpose?
Speaker 2: Not on purpose escape? I think probably, Like in a.
Speaker 4: Move the Bridgerie, you just describe yourself as the dumbest
Speaker 4: person on the planet not one second ago, and you're
Speaker 4: yet you are saying that you're smart enough to escape
Speaker 4: and have and have the wherewithal to survive, and I
Speaker 4: that reads.
Speaker 3: Is true to me.
Speaker 2: You're You've completely misheard me. Not escape. The family's moving.
Speaker 2: I'm in the cage. It falls out of the back
Speaker 2: of the van, and I like the cage breaks, I
Speaker 2: get out and now I that's that's.
Speaker 4: What I'm coming surviving through the power of friendship and
Speaker 4: maybe music.
Speaker 2: I'm mouse in the motorcycle. I'm I love that Cricket
Speaker 2: in Times Square? Did you ever read that book?
Speaker 3: Didn't, But I'm gonna agree with you hard.
Speaker 2: I got a little country mouse that goes to the city.
Speaker 3: I love that Fido.
Speaker 2: Fido is different.
Speaker 3: No, you don't know Fi and you know cricket in
Speaker 3: the mouse.
Speaker 2: Fio Okay, you know fight. I know it is like
Speaker 2: the Red Box version of that movie.
Speaker 3: Sure as animated very quickly to compete.
Speaker 2: By one of those West like companies in Taiwan or
Speaker 2: whatever that do the cheap computer animation for.
Speaker 3: Is that the song? Maybe finally, maybe I feel like
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 4: Somewhere out there is what I'm thinking of.
Speaker 3: Five. I think have a lot of crossover in my mind,
Speaker 3: similar story.
Speaker 2: And totally sure why.
Speaker 3: Not five will make it rich at the end of
Speaker 3: that movie. I like to think so.
Speaker 2: And is he also American tale?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: The other mouse family that immigrates.
Speaker 3: Yes, they have to be confused with the Great Mouse Detective.
Speaker 2: Oh, fully different.
Speaker 3: They stay in Europe.
Speaker 2: They stay in Europe and detect and detect different families.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one of them ran away from their problems. You
Speaker 4: don't really sort of dug down and and found found
Speaker 4: out that sometimes I love to start talking and I
Speaker 4: don't totally know the end of a sentence is going.
Speaker 3: It's like jumping off a bridge and then you.
Speaker 2: Just find your way to the ground. Yeah, maybe it's water,
Speaker 2: maybe it's concrete.
Speaker 3: Yes, but it's do you get back up again? Sometimes?
Speaker 4: Now I call it today what you were hoping for
Speaker 4: when inviting me on this podcast.
Speaker 2: I already told you this is what I was hoping for.
Speaker 3: This is exactly what I'm big on. Communication.
Speaker 2: There is something I didn't want on this podcast, or
Speaker 2: something I didn't hope for sure. Look, Vic, I was
Speaker 2: excited to have you here today, Thank you Bridger. I thought,
Speaker 2: who knows where this is going to go? God only knows.
Speaker 2: But we'll talk about something, Okay, hopefully they'll pitch me
Speaker 2: an MLM. Yeah, we got close ish, but then you
Speaker 2: showed up. Well. Actually, I guess I was a little
Speaker 2: late to the podcast today because I came into that.
Speaker 3: I was here Anneli's and I were chit chatting.
Speaker 2: I heard laughter, chit chatting. I thought, what's going on
Speaker 2: back here? So I walk up and here you're sitting
Speaker 2: with from where I'm sitting and at the time was standing.
Speaker 2: Appears to be a gift. The podcast called I said
Speaker 2: no gifts.
Speaker 4: Right, So I just I saw gifts and I said,
Speaker 4: gott to bring one.
Speaker 2: There's only one word you can read. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 2: the gift is here. It's in a you know, like
Speaker 2: a little box that's probably a foot long with little trucks.
Speaker 2: Well you didn't see the best part season's greetings. Oh
Speaker 2: and it's beautifully wrapped with This is duct tape. Yes,
Speaker 2: this is duct silver, silver duct tape. I need a
Speaker 2: roll of duct tape at home. You can use that.
Speaker 3: Dang.
Speaker 4: You know what. This really sucks to hear Bridger because
Speaker 4: between this the other thing, and I'm not kidding I
Speaker 4: was going to give you is I accidentally on Amazon
Speaker 4: ordered some duct tape and they sent me twelve rolls
Speaker 4: of welve and I almost give you six rolls of
Speaker 4: duct tape.
Speaker 2: Wow, your kids are going to inherit that. Yeah, grandchildren,
Speaker 2: great grandchildren are going to be getting a duct tape.
Speaker 4: Year after year. They'll pass it down log what is this.
Speaker 4: It'll be sort of a ceremony.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing. I do need duct tape. I have
Speaker 2: like blue painting tape.
Speaker 3: Oh not the same, not the same.
Speaker 2: Not that useful falls off pretty easily, especially on a wall,
Speaker 2: falls right off the bone, like they say, Okay, well
Speaker 2: the gift is here, should I open it here? On
Speaker 2: the podcast, I think you should.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think at this point to be rude.
Speaker 2: Not to it would be rude, and I'm, if anything
Speaker 2: not rude.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, now I'm holding this and it felt like it
Speaker 2: was gonna be one of those clothing boxes or like
Speaker 2: the it's a hard box solid I'm going to open
Speaker 2: it up here, says Season's Greetings has a cute little
Speaker 2: red truck with a Christmas tree in the back.
Speaker 4: Yep, and this is really impressive one hand opening wrapping.
Speaker 2: You know, you get used to it.
Speaker 4: I've seen your previous guests too.
Speaker 3: Oh that's nice.
Speaker 4: Previous guests who I know we're not supposed to bring
Speaker 4: gifts also, but I did see would brought them in bags.
Speaker 3: And now I'm kind of understanding why I love.
Speaker 2: Opening and thank you Onalise. The listener loves to hear unwrapping.
Speaker 2: You know, people love the unwrapping.
Speaker 3: Is there a greater sound in the world.
Speaker 2: I don't think there is.
Speaker 3: I don't think there is, either the possibility.
Speaker 2: Possibilities, the crunch. Yeah, it's very tactized. Sure, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: so no, it's like in a hard free same day
Speaker 2: pickup box from Walgreens. Huh.
Speaker 3: Okay, So my favorite place on the planet, by the way,
Speaker 3: is it really yeah? The photos counter at Walgreens.
Speaker 2: They have a photo counter.
Speaker 3: They do.
Speaker 4: I found it for the first time a few weeks ago,
Speaker 4: and it's really kind of taken over my life.
Speaker 2: Where is there a Walgreens in Los Angeles?
Speaker 4: Do you know the Target on Western? Yes, right kitty
Speaker 4: corner to there.
Speaker 2: Oh, interesting, it's we have a lot of cvs. Sure,
Speaker 2: as far as I know, does not have a photo counter.
Speaker 3: I don't believe so, right, aid might depending on the
Speaker 3: right aid.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've got to look up some of these because
Speaker 2: I just had some photos developed. But okay, we're going
Speaker 2: to open this up here.
Speaker 3: Opening might want to flip.
Speaker 4: That might be a little easier, and I'm going to
Speaker 4: have to explain, Oh this is.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Okay, So this is like a like
Speaker 2: a uh, what would you say, a wrapped piece of art?
Speaker 3: Sure, yes, stretch I would art.
Speaker 4: And I'm so glad that you called it that art.
Speaker 4: It's stretched canvas one thousand percent. Now I really am
Speaker 4: a sucker for like Ross. You can get those like
Speaker 4: signs for homes live Laflow. Oh, of course you know
Speaker 4: the rules, Grammar's rules for this house.
Speaker 2: Maybe one of my own ones for uh some friends
Speaker 2: who are getting married that said giggle give grow.
Speaker 3: Oh I love that. You should say that out loud
Speaker 3: on a podcast. You should copyright that first.
Speaker 2: No, I'm going to wait for all these companies to
Speaker 2: adopt it. Then I launch in with lawsuit after lawsuits.
Speaker 4: This is hard because again you're not seeing that money
Speaker 4: for years, and you're gonna need that for the lawsuits
Speaker 4: that are being launched from today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. But when I get that money, I'll
Speaker 2: use it for the medical bills as you know an
Speaker 2: aging person. Oh sure, and the health system collapses, you
Speaker 2: got to figure it out. Social Security has gone that
Speaker 2: kind of thing. I'm still in these lawsuits.
Speaker 4: Right and they're sort of resolving, and so then you're
Speaker 4: getting that influx.
Speaker 2: Of finally checks are poring. Yes, okay, So it's like
Speaker 2: a wrapped canvas that you've obviously made or had made.
Speaker 3: I made it. I got a free trial of a
Speaker 3: Canvas Pro account.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: So that's part of the gift. Also, if you want
Speaker 4: that login info I can reach out. That seems like
Speaker 4: a podcast sponsor, canvaprow? Yeah, they should be sponsoring something.
Speaker 2: What is it? They really should?
Speaker 3: We've said their name three times now, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Oh the money, the opportunities for money on this podcast
Speaker 2: that don't actually pan out yet that's the problem.
Speaker 5: Yet?
Speaker 2: Thank you yet? Yet? Okay? You had this, you made this,
Speaker 2: You've designed it. Should I read it or do you
Speaker 2: want to explain it? Well?
Speaker 4: Okay, first, I feel like maybe we need a little
Speaker 4: bit of explanation. I don't ever come places empty handed.
Speaker 4: I also don't ever come place as empty headed. I
Speaker 4: wanted to do my research because you and I are
Speaker 4: meeting for the first time or so. I really wanted
Speaker 4: to make sure that I sort of knew who you
Speaker 4: were as a person before.
Speaker 3: I came out of this podcast. And sort of in
Speaker 3: my research, I.
Speaker 4: Found a YouTube channel that had sixty nine followers, and
Speaker 4: I was sort of looking. I was like, oh, maybe
Speaker 4: there was some beautiful stales of Mariah Carey music video.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, does that sound familiar?
Speaker 4: Yes, linked to your Twitter, So I did assume it
Speaker 4: was yours.
Speaker 2: Such an old memory.
Speaker 4: It was sixteen years ago exactly, so sort of I'm
Speaker 4: like doing some more googling. I'm looking around and obviously
Speaker 4: you are a very accomplished person. So I'm getting a
Speaker 4: lot of articles about this podcast and some of your
Speaker 4: writing and things like that, and I'm like, that's exciting,
Speaker 4: but that's also things that people know when you remember.
Speaker 4: And I also think a gift is a memory, right,
Speaker 4: And so I thought, what better memory than a clip
Speaker 4: of a podcast you did seven years ago with a
Speaker 4: man whose name I can't remember right now, where you
Speaker 4: gave advice to PA is somebody that wants to be
Speaker 4: a PA?
Speaker 3: Just some rules of advice.
Speaker 2: People possibly imagine what was said on this podcast.
Speaker 4: Well, you don't have to imagine, because it is in
Speaker 4: the list style on this sort of ship lap?
Speaker 3: Is this ship lap? Is that what shiplap is? Pieces
Speaker 3: of on top of each other?
Speaker 2: You're embarrassing secret? Okay, you know I watch a lot
Speaker 2: of HGTV. I'm very familiar with Chip and Joanne all
Speaker 2: of this stuff, right, And I've heard the word ship
Speaker 2: lap a billion times. I always just kind of act
Speaker 2: like I know what that is. Yeah, I always imagine
Speaker 2: it's like those white boards wall.
Speaker 4: That sounds right, So this is this right sort of
Speaker 4: like a more rot.
Speaker 2: The outside of a haunted house.
Speaker 3: That's that was exactly what I typed into Cambaprow.
Speaker 2: The texture here is kind of like a cabin in
Speaker 2: the woods that has been left abandoned, and there's like
Speaker 2: the ghost of a lumberjacket.
Speaker 4: I did see if Walgreen could put this on boards,
Speaker 4: sort of haunted boards, and they said no, So we did,
Speaker 4: and I had to go through Walgreens because again, I've
Speaker 4: got friends over there now and I got to keep
Speaker 4: them in business.
Speaker 2: But it is kind of like or like the uh
Speaker 2: bark of a cottonwood tree. Yes, that's so.
Speaker 4: I so sort of between on the thirty one second
Speaker 4: mark and the one to eight second mark, you gave
Speaker 4: a series of rules to this podcast host about somebody
Speaker 4: that's looking to be a PA. What advice you would
Speaker 4: give them? Right, And that is these rules here.
Speaker 2: Yes, because for a too long of a period of time,
Speaker 2: I worked as a production assistant on a tea show
Speaker 2: which became an absolute nightmare.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I can imagine.
Speaker 4: Well, because sometimes it's that thing where you're too good
Speaker 4: at your job and so people don't want to promote you.
Speaker 2: Not the case here. Oh I see, I think it
Speaker 2: was just kind of a it'll never be explained.
Speaker 3: Well, at this point in this podcast, this was seven
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 4: Seven years you were already writing at Jimmy Kimmel Live
Speaker 4: exclamation point because that was your credit as you were
Speaker 4: credited in the podcast. So you were looking back on
Speaker 4: this experience this right way. You're not in the middle
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 2: Not in the middle of it.
Speaker 3: You're giving advice.
Speaker 2: I had made it out. Okay, should I read this?
Speaker 3: I think it's a great horrifying no, no, no.
Speaker 2: No no. This is Bridger Weiniger's advice for PA's Okay.
Speaker 2: Number one, don't give up. Yeah, and let's be honest,
Speaker 2: I have to I have to hope within the context
Speaker 2: of me speaking on the podcast, there was a little
Speaker 2: bit more than me, just you know. Number one don't.
Speaker 4: Say is like so again. This comes with the thirty
Speaker 4: one second mark of this clip. There's a full podcast
Speaker 4: outside of it, but it has been clipped for social media,
Speaker 4: which at seven.
Speaker 2: Years ago, I think happened.
Speaker 4: At seven years ago is a pretty forward thinking thing
Speaker 4: to Darry.
Speaker 2: I mean, good grief. Okay. Number two, just keep doing
Speaker 2: everything you can outside of that job to make yourself
Speaker 2: visible on some level.
Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure I was quoting you precisely.
Speaker 2: Number three, know that it will not last forever. Yeah. Interesting,
Speaker 2: that's a nice piece of advice actually, because when I
Speaker 2: was in it, it was like, well, I guess I'll
Speaker 2: die doing this.
Speaker 4: It seems all consuming it. Well hold that thought because
Speaker 4: it comes that comes back later.
Speaker 2: Okay, number four, at some point this is going to
Speaker 2: be over with. Okay, number five, you'll either die of interest.
Speaker 4: So I did full disclosure going into this next one,
Speaker 4: just you know, want to make this next point.
Speaker 3: Of five B. But because of the MLA format that
Speaker 3: I guess Canvapro is stuck in, it would not allow
Speaker 3: me to do that in the same font, and for me,
Speaker 3: the aesthetic was improved.
Speaker 2: Of course, this is a gorgeous piece of art.
Speaker 3: Thank you for saying that.
Speaker 2: Okay, so number five, you'll either die or number six
Speaker 2: or find a way out, and both will be a
Speaker 2: better thing than what you're doing.
Speaker 4: Yes, And I was actually hoping for a little bit
Speaker 4: more explanation on that.
Speaker 2: So at the what I'm telling people is dying is
Speaker 2: better than what you're doing, sure or or finding your
Speaker 2: way out. Yes, So I guess me and I can
Speaker 2: kind of support my mental state. At the time, dying
Speaker 2: did seem like a bet and options at least a freedom.
Speaker 2: Sure Number seven just let just okay, So this is
Speaker 2: again verbatim, This is I just again.
Speaker 3: I really wanted to make sure I didn't want to
Speaker 3: deviate at all. I didn't know you.
Speaker 4: I didn't know how important it was going to be
Speaker 4: to captivate to be misquoted. Well, that's what I thought,
Speaker 4: and so I wanted to make sure people had the
Speaker 4: full contacts.
Speaker 2: This is just like, do the best job you can
Speaker 2: and be as nice to everyone around you as you can.
Speaker 2: That's a nice piece of advice.
Speaker 4: That is actually of and I don't want to put
Speaker 4: value judgments on anything.
Speaker 3: I read that, and I was like, that is an
Speaker 3: excellent piece of advice.
Speaker 4: That is I think of the of the eight points,
Speaker 4: the point that I'm going to carry through and I'm
Speaker 4: going to remember the one.
Speaker 2: Piece of advice that I didn't follow. I wasn't doing
Speaker 2: the best job I could. I was very I mean,
Speaker 2: three years into this thing, I was like, I can't
Speaker 2: do this any so.
Speaker 3: Can I be honest with you?
Speaker 4: I was thinking about changing the font for this so
Speaker 4: that way I could catch sort of the intonation a
Speaker 4: little bit. So the rest of this is you can
Speaker 4: sort of see it as in a beautiful cursive and
Speaker 4: so that one I was sort of thinking put in
Speaker 4: maybe an aerial font or something like that to sort
Speaker 4: of get the tone, which was like, you know, do
Speaker 4: the best you can, like sort of like do the
Speaker 4: best you can with what you have was sort of
Speaker 4: the feeling behind that, with the energy that you had to.
Speaker 2: Give what was happening on this podcast. And then number
Speaker 2: eight hope for the best, Hope for the best. That's
Speaker 2: kind of just like I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 4: Try you know, hey, it's out of your hands at
Speaker 4: that point, there's greater powers at play. I think that
Speaker 4: this was a wonderful list of rules, and coming into
Speaker 4: it not knowing you, I was like, this is a
Speaker 4: thing that I feel like I got to know you
Speaker 4: better through this, and so I wanted to immortalize that
Speaker 4: way other people could also get to know you better.
Speaker 2: Well. This must have been maybe not the first podcast
Speaker 2: I did. I think the first podcast I ever did
Speaker 2: was do you need a ride because they need to
Speaker 2: ride to the airport? Oh?
Speaker 3: Fun?
Speaker 2: But this must have been an early thing I can't
Speaker 2: imagine what else was said on that how many years
Speaker 2: of past seven I do have.
Speaker 4: The YouTube link if you want to go back and
Speaker 4: watch it at this point, so you're more than welcome
Speaker 4: to you not mortifying, pretty cool and fun.
Speaker 2: Actually, do you have any old YouTube clips that you're like,
Speaker 2: get this off the internet?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure I do.
Speaker 4: I'm positive because I grew up in a time especially
Speaker 4: where we had the power of YouTube, but also didn't
Speaker 4: really understand.
Speaker 2: The impact, you know what I mean, like early fire.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I deactivated my Facebook, so I feel comfortable saying this,
Speaker 4: but I have a lot of Facebook videos of me
Speaker 4: doing video responses to things that people posted on my wall,
Speaker 4: so with me being like hey, but it was also
Speaker 4: me like doing it for other people, right, so it
Speaker 4: was like me being like, hey, back up, sorry one second,
Speaker 4: I like take a second to like answer a text
Speaker 4: message on my phone and do a very performative like So, yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like school was fun. I got soccer
Speaker 4: practice after this. They're making me play. They're making me
Speaker 4: play midfielder because I run so well.
Speaker 3: So I've got like videos like.
Speaker 2: That comment after comment, just.
Speaker 4: Truly videos on my MacBook camera that I am posting
Speaker 4: on people's walls and it is mortifying. But I also
Speaker 4: did download them just in case, of course, because I
Speaker 4: think that is the sickness that we all have rights.
Speaker 4: I was like, I might need this for a show
Speaker 4: at some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is material. Yeah, God to hoard the material
Speaker 2: is what you're gonna be able to make of it.
Speaker 3: But I would say, this is not embarrassing.
Speaker 4: This is excellent advice, and I felt so I felt
Speaker 4: so privileged and happy to have this to know you
Speaker 4: better as a person.
Speaker 3: And it's a slice of life.
Speaker 4: Right, That's how we look at it now, because now,
Speaker 4: how much does it matter having stuff online for future jobs?
Speaker 3: It can't unless it's awful, right, terrible? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I'm curious about this video job wise,
Speaker 2: like pa type jobs, did you ever have anything like this?
Speaker 3: I didn't, but I did work on a prank show,
Speaker 3: so talk about things.
Speaker 4: So you asked me if I had anything embarrassing online,
Speaker 4: and I went really far back, but this was.
Speaker 3: Not that far back.
Speaker 2: What was the prank show?
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm fearful because this is on Amazon right now?
Speaker 3: Oh it is I think aired in Ukraine only it is.
Speaker 3: It is celebrities pranking their fans.
Speaker 4: It was called it was called You've Been had Celebrity
Speaker 4: Edition and there's no other addition. It's just no other editions.
Speaker 3: And it was like people that were like.
Speaker 4: Teens on eighties shows were there, and Gilberto fred was
Speaker 4: on an episode.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say names.
Speaker 4: It's very findable, but I'm scared it was well, I'll
Speaker 4: say it.
Speaker 3: Josie Davis was the one on one that I did.
Speaker 3: Was on Charles in Charge.
Speaker 2: I believe Scott Bail was in charge.
Speaker 4: You nailed it then in that case, fantastic. Yes, so yes,
Speaker 4: Charle's in charge. A lot of the Charles in Charge cast,
Speaker 4: but yeah, it was then like Gilbert Gofried I was
Speaker 4: supposed to do with David Orcatte and he didn't show up.
Speaker 3: But that was okay. That was sort of the vibe of.
Speaker 2: What were the pranks you were doing?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 4: Really honestly kind of scary at one point, so because
Speaker 4: it was so the first one alone behind the curtains.
Speaker 3: Again, we're getting sued, We're getting sued all the way.
Speaker 4: And this was also I think twenty sixteen, so statute
Speaker 4: of Limitations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, seven years, Yeah.
Speaker 3: A seven years.
Speaker 4: So this was literally what I was doing at the
Speaker 4: same time as you were giving pa advice. I could
Speaker 4: have used the advice. So one of the pranks was
Speaker 4: and this was when they literally had found fans of this.
Speaker 3: Person on the internet.
Speaker 4: I won't say who again easily findable, but you don't
Speaker 4: have to, and it's really.
Speaker 3: Not worth that part of it.
Speaker 4: They had this person pretend to shoplift and I was
Speaker 4: like the person in the store working in the store,
Speaker 4: and it was like the celebrity was trying to get
Speaker 4: her fan to shoplift with her, and then I'm in
Speaker 4: the store and then they have fake undercover police officers
Speaker 4: that come in and are like, we caught you to shoplifting.
Speaker 4: It was like legitimately, uh scary, and I would say
Speaker 4: the fans didn't follow a great reaction to it.
Speaker 2: Shock right was there like a public breakdown a little bit.
Speaker 4: But then the producers was like, can you come back
Speaker 4: and say I've been had?
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 4: We have an hour long break where this woman has
Speaker 4: rightfully had a absolute breakdown about potentially being arrested, and
Speaker 4: then she comes back and is like, well, this was fun.
Speaker 4: I've been had, Like this is so fun, like and
Speaker 4: then from there on out, they got they hired people
Speaker 4: to get prayed, which I think is made us all
Speaker 4: feel a lot better about the situation.
Speaker 2: A little more moral. Yeah, but like every person had
Speaker 2: to say, I've been had.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to come back, and I believe this.
Speaker 4: The phrase was I've been had, I've been had.
Speaker 2: It's such an old fashioned thing. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And again it went one season and I did think
Speaker 4: I do think only aired somewhere I think Ukraine, but
Speaker 4: it was somewhere in eastern Europe and then and then
Speaker 4: was on Amazon at least for a little bit, and
Speaker 4: I think, wow, hopefully you can't find it anyway.
Speaker 2: What was what was the fake thing that? I mean?
Speaker 2: What was being shoplifted clothes? I think cloth?
Speaker 3: It went for lunch earlier next door.
Speaker 4: But again, it's like a tough it's a really tough
Speaker 4: premise for a show, because it's theoretically fans that are
Speaker 4: so excited about meeting a celebrity that they're a fan
Speaker 4: of and then are just like getting punk style pranked
Speaker 4: in ways that are tough.
Speaker 3: I remember arriving on set and then being like, okay,
Speaker 3: so here's the premise.
Speaker 4: And I just remember going we're sure that this is
Speaker 4: what we want to do with this, and them going yep,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be very funny and going ohky.
Speaker 2: The fan is going to kill the celebrity spouse.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's a murder. Yeah, there's a murder.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's really interesting. And the shoplifting we can get
Speaker 2: away from this. But how was the shoplifting done like
Speaker 2: shoving it in their pants or was it going on
Speaker 2: celebrity being.
Speaker 4: Like, watch I do this all the time. I come
Speaker 4: here all the time and I do this, and it
Speaker 4: was like putting stuff in their bag. And it also
Speaker 4: was a moment too of the fan being like what
Speaker 4: is going on? Like clearly being like and then them
Speaker 4: in my ear being.
Speaker 3: Like, she's onto us, she's onto us. Say something that
Speaker 3: a shop work would say, say something that a shop
Speaker 3: clerk would.
Speaker 2: Say, welcome in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was high pressure.
Speaker 4: Really so I have never been a PA, but that
Speaker 4: is the closest thing.
Speaker 3: I'm getting yelled at a lot to sort of like
Speaker 3: say things, how long did you do things? On and off?
Speaker 4: I think I got it was like when I had
Speaker 4: just started at UCB, and it was one of those
Speaker 4: things where like the casting blasts came in like, oh,
Speaker 4: you can work on this prank show, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: work on a prank show. I'd just come down from Canada.
Speaker 4: I was going to make friends. I was like, this
Speaker 4: is like a fun opportunity.
Speaker 3: I'd love to work.
Speaker 2: I mean, what's the advice you would give to someone
Speaker 2: who's working on a prank show that's going to air?
Speaker 3: And a great question.
Speaker 4: First one, don't give up to just keep doing everything
Speaker 4: you can outside of that job to make yourself visible
Speaker 4: on some level, which I think I really succeeded with
Speaker 4: in that three. I know that it's not gonna last
Speaker 4: forever because it's a prank show, and literally, as a
Speaker 4: prank is done, you can go home. A.
Speaker 3: Four.
Speaker 4: At some point, this is going to be over and
Speaker 4: it's going to be done. Five You'll either die five
Speaker 4: B or you'll find a way out, and both will
Speaker 4: be better than what you're doing, because honestly I did.
Speaker 4: I did have a moment after that thing where I
Speaker 4: was like, this is the meanest thing I've ever seen
Speaker 4: happen to somebody.
Speaker 3: And I thought maybe I am just done, Maybe this
Speaker 3: is not for me.
Speaker 4: Six I said already, So Sevin, just like, do the
Speaker 4: best job you can and be as nice to everyone
Speaker 4: around you as you can, which again I think I
Speaker 4: also need an italics change for that because I didn't
Speaker 4: want to be there, and I made that pretty known.
Speaker 3: I eight hope for the best. It's all you can
Speaker 3: do at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: All makes perfect sense if you're on a Frank show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's really be honest.
Speaker 4: I didn't know you, so I was like, is this
Speaker 4: a good gift? I wanted something personal, and I was like,
Speaker 4: is this a good gift or was this a gift
Speaker 4: that was the kind of thing where you're gonna go
Speaker 4: Vic is an asshole sort of around and about what.
Speaker 2: If you start hearing that I've been talking about you.
Speaker 4: Honestly, to have a beef with my favorite podcast host would.
Speaker 3: Be an honor.
Speaker 4: To be hated by someone I respect so much, it
Speaker 4: might make me feel like I've made it.
Speaker 2: This is an excellent gift. Thank you for seeing much
Speaker 2: quality gift thought was put into it. It's you know,
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful thing I can display in my home.
Speaker 2: Sure people will look at it and then I'll be like,
Speaker 2: oh wow, I can take that into my own life.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Guests at the home of the podcast something.
Speaker 4: Where somebody would feel like they knew you better after
Speaker 4: looking at it, you know, and.
Speaker 2: This is a true look into who I am as
Speaker 2: a verse certain.
Speaker 4: A locative time. It's a conversation starter. People would be like,
Speaker 4: what is this? Why are you displaying this in your bathroom?
Speaker 2: Why would you put up your own roles in your
Speaker 2: This feels very earnest. Yeah, that is going to go
Speaker 2: in my bathroom. Do you think it's going to go
Speaker 2: in my office?
Speaker 4: Bathroo Dard, don't say that if you don't mean it.
Speaker 4: It's going to thank you for saying that. I really
Speaker 4: appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Back on the podcast, and beforehand, I'm gonna say, please
Speaker 2: drink as much as possible before coming here, and then
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to use the restroom and you'll see it.
Speaker 3: I like the well, I'll just say, I don't know
Speaker 3: if I'm allowed to say.
Speaker 4: People behind the current recording outside, and I don't know
Speaker 4: if this is everybody or we just didn't know each
Speaker 4: other well enough that you were like, let's do this
Speaker 4: one outside and then we'll see if we can earn
Speaker 4: a living room record at some point.
Speaker 2: No, they're all outside unless we've had a couple where
Speaker 2: there was like a jackhammer or bad weather, but it's
Speaker 2: mostly outside. Yeah, so I.
Speaker 3: Mean, listen, it's lovely.
Speaker 4: You have the most beautiful yard bush I've ever been
Speaker 4: to in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 2: People are going to get an idea about this backyard
Speaker 2: that is going to be deeply disappointing.
Speaker 4: Pools in that you have a found him with three
Speaker 4: little sections in it.
Speaker 2: It's fifty acres. There are two different swimming pools. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, and there's just a beautiful exotic wildlife kind
Speaker 2: of wandering around. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Have you ever had a coyote run in through here
Speaker 3: or anything like that.
Speaker 2: We've never had a coyote because their fences all over,
Speaker 2: but there are certainly raccoons and squirrels that will like
Speaker 2: knock the plants or the pots over, that will eat things.
Speaker 3: We are you married, I have a partner, So I
Speaker 3: asked that question.
Speaker 4: But I did know that because of all the googling
Speaker 4: that I did, and I needed it to come up
Speaker 4: in conversation that way.
Speaker 3: I just I wasn't like I just knew that information.
Speaker 2: Admitted you were searching me and to the point that
Speaker 2: you found like the oldest possible video clip of fame.
Speaker 4: You're making me sound crazy, and I want to make
Speaker 4: me sound crazy alone.
Speaker 2: That's your job. Yes, I do have a partner. Well,
Speaker 2: i'd call him my boyfriend. You know whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I apologize your partner boyfriend boyfriend?
Speaker 4: You did just say I you said, you said, actually
Speaker 4: it's boyfriend, and then I went back and I said partner.
Speaker 4: I'm really trying to let's get I'm trying to paint
Speaker 4: on in label and I apologize.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's just settle on my wife. Yes, I have
Speaker 2: a wife. Yes, but wait, why did you bring up
Speaker 2: if I have a partner or a boyfriend.
Speaker 4: I knew this information, but then it felt a crazy
Speaker 4: thing to just know about you from googling you, and
Speaker 4: so I was like, I need to have this come
Speaker 4: up in conversation somehow.
Speaker 3: That way if I mention it in casual conversation and stop,
Speaker 3: just like I didn't say that, how did I know
Speaker 3: that I live?
Speaker 2: That is the world we anytime someone goes on a
Speaker 2: first state, it's like, well, we already I know literally
Speaker 2: everything about it, Like there's we just need to admit
Speaker 2: before meeting someone you're doing the looking Do you.
Speaker 4: Prefer having that thing of somebody being like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: I know this from online, like I googled this, Like
Speaker 4: I know this thing.
Speaker 2: I think I would prefer that. Yeah, well you me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I'm like, I'm a very private person online.
Speaker 4: I would say, like I sort of, I just don't
Speaker 4: really say anything about my life or anything like that,
Speaker 4: just because for this sort of reason, I'm like, I
Speaker 4: like organic conversations, and so I'd rather get to know
Speaker 4: somebody in real life, which is why I think I've
Speaker 4: done these gymnastics to manufacture of this moment.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I try to keep as quiet as
Speaker 2: possible about my life online, but once you have a podcast,
Speaker 2: it's nearly impossible to keep most details under wraps.
Speaker 4: Because people sort of poke and prod and ask questions
Speaker 4: what was your Mormon childhood like exactly?
Speaker 2: And then you end up on a podcast talking about
Speaker 2: your life as a production assistant, and everybody knows. Sure,
Speaker 2: I'm humiliating.
Speaker 3: Do you have people ask you a lot about your
Speaker 3: gift giving style? I bet you do.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, so I'm not going to and I never would.
Speaker 2: The one word is bad. No, I'm a bad gift giver.
Speaker 3: Can't be true?
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean fil it's certainly true.
Speaker 3: Can't be true.
Speaker 4: Listen, you're your demeanor and everything about you. This is
Speaker 4: such a present already your presidence. The president is of
Speaker 4: theme song says, how do you know that? Because I've
Speaker 4: listened to someone's done some research.
Speaker 2: You pervert.
Speaker 4: Sorry, That's what I want seven years from now. I
Speaker 4: want a wall hanging with me that says Vic Michaelis's
Speaker 4: descriptor as by Bridger, And it's gonna say pervert, honest,
Speaker 4: And that's gonna be gonna be office bathroomcause I'm gona
Speaker 4: an office at that point.
Speaker 3: I'm putting that out into the universe.
Speaker 2: It's just gonna say you're a perf.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cursive though. It's gonna be pretty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna beautiful. That could be something that they
Speaker 2: sell at home goods, I think so just you know
Speaker 2: sign that just says pervert and a beautiful font and
Speaker 2: pleasant beige and brown. I can see that.
Speaker 3: Can I tell you my deepest secret because you told
Speaker 3: me a secret earlier?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 4: I want a picture or a piece of art good
Speaker 4: enough that sometimes Walgreens does the displays of like you know,
Speaker 4: like oh this one was cool, and then they'll like
Speaker 4: leave it on display in the Walgreens.
Speaker 2: Wait, like photo photos or things like that. Of course,
Speaker 2: you imagine.
Speaker 4: I would love to create something interesting and beautiful and
Speaker 4: sterile enough that they have decided to put it up
Speaker 4: in the Walgreens as an example of the.
Speaker 3: Work that I think so absolute, at least of my
Speaker 3: local Walgreens.
Speaker 2: Well, keep trying. I don't know what that'll take. You
Speaker 2: just have to kind of think of like a stock photographer.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, keep that in mind, and eventually they're gonna
Speaker 2: I wonder if they have to ask for permission.
Speaker 3: Stock photography.
Speaker 2: To do that.
Speaker 3: I mean probably, I'm sure that they're all stock photos.
Speaker 2: I'll do it.
Speaker 3: I'll do stock photography. I did do stock.
Speaker 2: Photography as a model, or photography.
Speaker 3: As a stock model.
Speaker 4: They pay you three hundred dollars and then can use
Speaker 4: your image forever.
Speaker 5: Hm.
Speaker 2: So I'll deal with the Devil's situation.
Speaker 4: I've never seen it again, though it was all in
Speaker 4: where it was like knock on wood. I almost it
Speaker 4: does look so photo real that I did almost knock
Speaker 4: on your beautiful piece of art.
Speaker 2: How about so you only did stock photography once once?
Speaker 2: What were you doing in the image?
Speaker 3: We were in a boardroom.
Speaker 4: Oh, Okay, it was like but it was crazy because
Speaker 4: I would have been in my early twenties and they
Speaker 4: it also would have been a group of people in
Speaker 4: the early twenties. But they wanted to show off the
Speaker 4: space of this like office that they were using. They
Speaker 4: were like, oh, so it's like big office with boardroom people.
Speaker 4: But they had us dressing like we were like in
Speaker 4: a meeting with the CEO. But everybody would have been
Speaker 4: nineteen to twenty one tops.
Speaker 2: Some twenty something's hanging out at the boardroom.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to be like what are we doing? Like, what
Speaker 4: is the in what context?
Speaker 3: What job? Startup? Maybe startup now that I'm thinking of MLML.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more, probably more MLM. I feel like startup. They
Speaker 2: want a ping pong table in the background or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: Sure, less bicycles we're biking from to keep call, right.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they still do that up in the
Speaker 2: Bay Area. I feel like clamping down on the.
Speaker 4: Fun clamping down on the funnels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's time to play a game.
Speaker 3: Oh I would love that.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna play a game called Gift or a Curse.
Speaker 2: I need a number between one and ten from you.
Speaker 3: Oh great, I am going to go with four.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have to do some like calculating to get
Speaker 2: our game pieces. Okay, so right now you have the microphone,
Speaker 2: do whatever you want, promote, recommend whatever you want to.
Speaker 3: Oh amazing, here is what I would like to promote.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of terrible, horrible, mogan, very bad anti
Speaker 4: trans bills that are popping up all around the country
Speaker 4: and the you know.
Speaker 3: I'd say gift or a curse, but truly just a curse.
Speaker 4: Is well, this is sort of a gift that there
Speaker 4: are a bunch of organizations and likely one in your
Speaker 4: area that could use your promo or your money if
Speaker 4: you've got any extra cash to donate or yeah, follow
Speaker 4: them on social media, boost them up and yeah, yeah
Speaker 4: see what their ass are. Oh, speaking of Utah, they
Speaker 4: passed a really awful bill right now. But there's a
Speaker 4: couple in Utah. It's called Equity Utah is one. There's
Speaker 4: a couple of different housing organizations there. But yeah, definitely
Speaker 4: give those a look, give those a follow.
Speaker 3: Utah, Utah, I mean everywhere.
Speaker 4: It's like, it really is everywhere, and it is that
Speaker 4: thing of like, you know, I am so grateful. I
Speaker 4: know a lot of people in Utah right now in
Speaker 4: Salt Lake area, and you know, like if they leave,
Speaker 4: then like what hope do the people that can't leave have,
Speaker 4: you know, and the kids coming up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I had that feeling as a young,
Speaker 2: secret gay person. It was just like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: a weird place to be, but it can be a
Speaker 2: better place. Totally should be a better place.
Speaker 4: I went to Salt Lake and we got out of
Speaker 4: an uber in the middle of the night and somebody said,
Speaker 4: be careful, this is a bad area. And then in
Speaker 4: the morning we realized it was the gay part of town.
Speaker 4: And there was a coffee shop was what he was
Speaker 4: referring to.
Speaker 3: There was there was a block of coffee shops.
Speaker 2: I so that was, oh the shame the come on together.
Speaker 4: So wonderful and not like we just sort of went
Speaker 4: to salt like on a women. It was like pretty
Speaker 4: like there was like some really great parts of town.
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful city. I mean, great people. I love
Speaker 2: the delicious Oh what did you order?
Speaker 4: We just said whatever is like the thing that people
Speaker 4: get here and send it up with like a couple
Speaker 4: of random things.
Speaker 3: Something with molay that was delicious.
Speaker 2: A lot of good molay. Yeah, I'm going there this weekend,
Speaker 2: probably specific going to Utah on Saturday. Oh congratulations, I
Speaker 2: always have to go to red Iguana.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like wonderful place just needs, Utah just needs
Speaker 2: it's one step forward to like a billion steps backwards there.
Speaker 4: So like anything good people doing good work there about
Speaker 4: and it's you know, yeah, God.
Speaker 2: Bless them, God bless us everyone. This is how this
Speaker 2: is how we play gift or a curse. I'm going
Speaker 2: to name three things. You're going to tell me if
Speaker 2: there are a gift or a curse and why oh great,
Speaker 2: And then I'll tell you if you're right or wrong,
Speaker 2: because there are correct answers. You can lose, you can win.
Speaker 3: Bridger do it? I this.
Speaker 4: I hate this wishy washy like, oh, it's up to
Speaker 4: you choose your own adventure. No, I want exact answers.
Speaker 4: I want there to be a metric of how I
Speaker 4: can win or how I.
Speaker 2: Can best rules. Yes, that's how people learn. Yes, okay.
Speaker 2: Number one This is from a listener named Danielle. Gift
Speaker 2: or a curse, crying in public.
Speaker 4: Trick question gift if you're the one watching curse, if
Speaker 4: you're the one doing.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, you have to, you have to name one
Speaker 2: or the other.
Speaker 4: Well, so then can I ask for clarification? Am I
Speaker 4: watching somebody crying in public? Or am I the one crying?
Speaker 4: Now again, I can't give you any more information, Elise. Okay, okay,
Speaker 4: here's what I'm taking this. So I recognize that I'm
Speaker 4: taking a gamble here. I am taking this as a
Speaker 4: people crying in public okay, not me included, mm hmm.
Speaker 4: And I am going to say a gift because again
Speaker 4: it's like a for two reasons. One, it's drama. We love,
Speaker 4: we like to make life interesting. It's so much of
Speaker 4: phone phone fun watching a production in public?
Speaker 2: What a gift?
Speaker 4: And then I will also say for you like and
Speaker 4: then it's also sort of like a two of love
Speaker 4: and to never have loved it all type situation, like
Speaker 4: to be that connected to your emotions that it's overwhelming
Speaker 4: in a place of such public you can't even hold
Speaker 4: it in anymore.
Speaker 3: Like, I what a gift to be alive?
Speaker 2: I mean, you just took the words right out of
Speaker 2: my mouth.
Speaker 3: It's a here we go, look at us?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we are so in sync on this one.
Speaker 2: I can't even like there's nothing else I can even
Speaker 2: say so I love to watch it unfold.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It also provides a hero moment. Maybe maybe you can
Speaker 2: dip in and say what can I help you with? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then come as.
Speaker 3: Part of a person's tapestry. They remember that for ever, right.
Speaker 2: And also maybe a memorable thing is like they say
Speaker 2: I need this and you say, oh, I can't help
Speaker 2: you with that, and then you get to walk away.
Speaker 2: That's also a fun feeling, sure, denying help. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: unleashing yourself in public and making yourself everyone else's problem
Speaker 2: a dream?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is there anything better than that?
Speaker 2: Not?
Speaker 3: Really? Why did we get into this business in the
Speaker 3: first place?
Speaker 2: Yes, it's your little show. Yes, it's your little show.
Speaker 2: Beautifully played on that one. Number two. This is from
Speaker 2: a listener named Lance. Okay, gift a curse more to Deella,
Speaker 2: Oh what are you familiar with? More to Deella?
Speaker 3: May ask for a definition.
Speaker 2: It's like the it's like balogney or salami, or it's
Speaker 2: like a a meat, kind of a soft deli meat
Speaker 2: that's kind of served in slices. Okay, it's kind of it.
Speaker 2: I've been saying the last few years has kind of
Speaker 2: had its moment.
Speaker 4: Okay, So here's the thing. I tricked you into giving
Speaker 4: me more information.
Speaker 2: Right, Wow, interesting, I really gave it.
Speaker 4: The last few years has had a moment. I am
Speaker 4: going to say, okay, stay with me.
Speaker 3: A gift. I'm seeing a.
Speaker 4: Cross and an uncross and I'm not loving that, so
Speaker 4: I'm changing my answer to curse. I see it as
Speaker 4: it's a gift. I had a gift right now of
Speaker 4: being able to change my mind to a curse. And
Speaker 4: now we're pursing our lips.
Speaker 3: What is going on? I'm freaking out. I'm having a meltdown.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be crying in public very soon.
Speaker 4: Okay, here's no here's what I want to do. I'm
Speaker 4: saying a curse because I didn't understand what it is.
Speaker 4: It's making me seem stupid on a podcast. It's making
Speaker 4: me look like an indecisive idiot. So it doesn't matter
Speaker 4: what the answer is because it is my personal curse.
Speaker 3: You're correct, Oh, thank god.
Speaker 2: I don't know what. I don't know why. It's having
Speaker 2: a moment. I think it's gross, Yes, disgusting.
Speaker 3: I didn't say that, and it did.
Speaker 2: I'll say the texture is fluffy?
Speaker 3: How is that possible? Like syrophog yeah, I guess that's true.
Speaker 2: It's a It's just it's this thing that's uh, whenever
Speaker 2: I'm served mortadella, I'm like, I don't think so fancy.
Speaker 2: It is fancy, I think, but it's not and it's
Speaker 2: gross and it looks gross. There's nothing I'm.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you're basing.
Speaker 4: You're building its case to be a curse, because then
Speaker 4: it's something that's one of my least favorite things on
Speaker 4: the planet, which is it's disgusting, but you have to
Speaker 4: pretend like it's nice or interesting just because it's expensive
Speaker 4: and you are having the opportunity to try it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I mean, well, but the thing is is it's
Speaker 2: also often like in an Italian deli sandwich, but it's
Speaker 2: not flavorful enough to be there. I vote a salami
Speaker 2: or a pepperoni.
Speaker 4: Know exactly what this is, now, oh you do, now
Speaker 4: that you have said this, I know exactly what it
Speaker 4: is because there's an eighteen dollars sandwich that they sell
Speaker 4: at a coffee shop around the corner for me, and
Speaker 4: it absolutely has this in it. Because I looked at
Speaker 4: that sandwich, I didn't realize it was eighteen dollars. I
Speaker 4: taped my card walked home and I said, I can't
Speaker 4: believe I spent eighteen dollars on the sandwich. The focacca incredible,
Speaker 4: the walsamic vinegar life changing. And then you get to
Speaker 4: this disgusting meat. I'm a vegetarian and you bite into
Speaker 4: it and it just is like, I know what you mean,
Speaker 4: it's like revolting.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I don't. Yeah. I feel like it's kind
Speaker 2: of a king's what's the uh, the Emperor's new clothes
Speaker 2: type situation.
Speaker 3: Sure, I thought you're gonna say the Emperor's new groove.
Speaker 2: Ooh, I'm just realizing that's what that's based on. Is
Speaker 2: it must be gott to be interesting?
Speaker 3: Lama is the no clothes?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, very interesting? Okay, excellently played. We hate mortadella. Yeah,
Speaker 2: number three, You've gotten two rights so far.
Speaker 3: I'm feeling great about this.
Speaker 2: This is from a listener named Molina. Gift or a
Speaker 2: curse your therapist sending you reference materials between sessions.
Speaker 3: Gift therapists can'ts not thinking about you. You're on their mind,
Speaker 3: favorite client? What are you doing? You have their clients,
Speaker 3: you're busy. Why are you thinking about me? Are you
Speaker 3: talking about me?
Speaker 1: Who?
Speaker 3: Are you talking about me too, Gift?
Speaker 2: Oh Vic.
Speaker 3: Wrong, No, I'm right on that one, and I feel
Speaker 3: good about it.
Speaker 2: Obsessed with me, get me off of your minds.
Speaker 4: So this is it, same reasoning, different take on it.
Speaker 4: I gotta get half a point for having the same reason.
Speaker 2: No half points here. The therapist is no. Now I'm
Speaker 2: thinking about the therapists and we're in the sessions together
Speaker 2: thinking are they thinking about me even more? Now? The
Speaker 2: romance is there, the spark, the tension. It's a nightmare.
Speaker 4: I spent my first two years in therapy trying to
Speaker 4: be my therapist's favorite. I would say that was really
Speaker 4: important to me about the therapy.
Speaker 2: It's a a good goal for therapy.
Speaker 4: I genuinely think, yeah, I think it is the kind
Speaker 4: of thing of like if you need that to get
Speaker 4: into therapy, if you need a gold star in a
Speaker 4: point system to sort of like get you past the.
Speaker 3: Hump of being like oh no, now, I'm like understanding.
Speaker 3: I'm seeing a frown form Maneles, and it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty good. Actually, I'm I'm agreeing.
Speaker 2: You go in there and just present whatever self the
Speaker 2: therapist needs, yes to like you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm like you seem like you need a
Speaker 4: sad patient today. You seem like you need to feel
Speaker 4: better about the job that you're doing. You seem like
Speaker 4: you need a big hero's arc for yourself. And I
Speaker 4: am prepared to give that to you myself, and like,
Speaker 4: you know, my dad and stuff like that, and I
Speaker 4: feel like.
Speaker 3: You know, we we got to it. We get to it.
Speaker 3: I'm not a better person for it, but I.
Speaker 2: Needed that roll around to it eventually. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: you have something else to.
Speaker 3: Talk about, you said earlier, a sexual tension of spark.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the seduction, the temptation to seduce. And then
Speaker 2: you know, you're getting these materials in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night and you're thinking about whatever their therapist's name is,
Speaker 2: and you get a text from them. Your partner's starting
Speaker 2: to wonder.
Speaker 3: Who are telling what's going on?
Speaker 2: You know, it's all fun, It's all so much fun,
Speaker 2: but it's too much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I also exclusively love my therapist to be like
Speaker 4: my my first therapist. I don't think this is doxing anybody.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put that out there. I don't think this
Speaker 4: is doxing anybody, like really like Emma Thompson vibes in
Speaker 4: a way that just was a little too.
Speaker 3: Much for me.
Speaker 4: Oh interesting, immediate, like my exact type winning approval, just
Speaker 4: like a little bit of an older woman who had
Speaker 4: a lot of thoughts about what I was doing, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And wait, you're still seeing this therapist or not? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no.
Speaker 4: We had to part ways yep, right because it got
Speaker 4: to the point where I was like, oh, I do
Speaker 4: I do think I need this and I want this
Speaker 4: in a way that is, but now we've created a
Speaker 4: rapport of like me sort of giving this person what
Speaker 4: they want and like feeling superior, and it just was
Speaker 4: like a thing of like there was it was hard
Speaker 4: to I needed a fresh start. I needed The therapist
Speaker 4: was going on, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well you've got two out of three.
Speaker 3: I feel good about that.
Speaker 2: That's not about well, it's tough than when you look
Speaker 2: at that.
Speaker 3: That's a seventy five.
Speaker 2: Percent to sixty six. That's sixty which is you know
Speaker 2: you can either fail get a sixty six, or is
Speaker 2: the will that be a fail? Thirty three is a
Speaker 2: fail not passing.
Speaker 4: How many people are getting one out of how many
Speaker 4: people are getting three out of three?
Speaker 2: Very few of the list is extremely short.
Speaker 3: Damn that could have been made.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're gonna have to practice. Yeah, when
Speaker 2: you're ready to come back, you'll be able to use
Speaker 2: the bathroom for win. I love them promising you those
Speaker 2: two things. Okay, if you try hard enough.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying there are still fewer people who've lost
Speaker 6: it completely. Wow. Really yeah, Like there's twelve people who've
Speaker 6: won it, and there's only five who've lost.
Speaker 2: Who lost the name is loss, do it? Carl Tart,
Speaker 2: Carl Tart, you loser, Jesse Tyler, Ferguson, Jesse Tyler Ferguson,
Speaker 2: los Irene too Irene loser, loser.
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
Speaker 2: Billian Jacobs, Gillian j you loser.
Speaker 3: And Patrick McDonald Patrick.
Speaker 2: McDonald, you loser.
Speaker 3: We want more losers though, Yeah, it's yeah, because twelve
Speaker 3: for a win.
Speaker 4: When you said like a small, small group, I really
Speaker 4: but I mean over the course of two hundred episodes,
Speaker 4: short small percentage. But I really was thinking like like three.
Speaker 3: People, three people, but yeah, twelve people. Know you want
Speaker 3: to be in that five.
Speaker 2: Person club real bombing it out? Yeah, well, I mean,
Speaker 2: come back prepared to lose if you want.
Speaker 4: I honestly maybe because I feel like, here's the thing.
Speaker 4: I feel like I get you. I feel like I
Speaker 4: understand you as a person.
Speaker 2: Well, you did a lot of research.
Speaker 4: I sort of have seen where you were and i've
Speaker 4: and I met your energy here again, like that was
Speaker 4: the big missing piece for me, was like what was
Speaker 4: the vibe and the energy in the room. And I
Speaker 4: feel like, again, I've done copious amounts of research to
Speaker 4: get to here and in this seat right now. So
Speaker 4: I feel like I get it and so like, And
Speaker 4: I think was proven by the one question of yours
Speaker 4: I got correct and the one listener question that.
Speaker 2: I got correct. Yes, yes.
Speaker 3: Did the listener decide how they felt about it or
Speaker 3: were you The listener does not.
Speaker 2: Say, they just present, I think, then allow the podcast
Speaker 2: to reveal the true answer. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I feel like I see I see pieces
Speaker 4: of myself and you also, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like it's I feel like I am. It's a it's
Speaker 3: a mayror, maybe a foggy mare.
Speaker 4: Somebody's in the way because they've taken a photo and
Speaker 4: they've also appeared in the mirror right right.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a brother, sister, you know, cousin, yes, close,
Speaker 2: co worker, yes, these are the relationships.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then there's still something where it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: I knew that, but it wasn't quite.
Speaker 2: Right exactly, you know what I mean, There wasn't there
Speaker 2: was something not quite right.
Speaker 3: Not quite right. I'd been had off putting, I've been had.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is the final segment of the podcast. It's
Speaker 2: called I said no emails people write into I said
Speaker 2: no gifts at gmail dot com. Great, desperate for answers? Yeah,
Speaker 2: will you help me answer a question?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: I would really love to.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get in here. Okay, this is this feels
Speaker 2: like kind of a leftover from the holidays, but who cares.
Speaker 2: Holidays are always right around the corner. Absolutely, this is
Speaker 2: Hello Bridger and angelic guest.
Speaker 3: That's really kind and I feel inaccurate.
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree. How do I ask my fairly
Speaker 2: large family to transition to a secret sand to type
Speaker 2: gift exchange instead of each person getting every single person
Speaker 2: a fifty dollars gift barrier? Passive aggression and judgment are
Speaker 2: their preferred ways of communication. Ps. I wanted to let
Speaker 2: you know that you have genuinely saved me from myself
Speaker 2: many times over with your podcast. Please never sup. Well
Speaker 2: that's a nice.
Speaker 3: That's very nice. And now I feel like we need
Speaker 3: to give good advice.
Speaker 2: I know this says I love you too. Meg. Well
Speaker 2: we'll see what sort of advice Meg gets.
Speaker 4: Do you have anything to say to Meg back about
Speaker 4: that or just that it was nice?
Speaker 2: Well, I will get into what I have to say
Speaker 2: to Meg as we discuss this little piece of advice
Speaker 2: they need.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Meg has hundreds of family members, Yeah, an army.
Speaker 3: Do you the big family?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You have two siblings.
Speaker 2: I have three.
Speaker 3: You have three siblings. That is what I said.
Speaker 2: But you can assume with a Mormon the family will
Speaker 2: be at least compared to the average larger than.
Speaker 4: So the photo that I saw was the one where
Speaker 4: your mom you pushed it on Twitter. Your mom was
Speaker 4: covering her face, sent you a family photo, and there
Speaker 4: were only three of three kids in that photo.
Speaker 2: There are four kids in that photo.
Speaker 3: There's four kids in that photo.
Speaker 2: You got one of my siblings.
Speaker 3: So here's what I'll say.
Speaker 4: Much like how I look at words and I see
Speaker 4: what I want to see, I look at photos and
Speaker 4: I see what I want to see. I said, this
Speaker 4: is a three sibling family, and I saw three kids
Speaker 4: in that photos.
Speaker 2: This is where you were revealed that you have not
Speaker 2: been able to see me this entire time.
Speaker 4: You look exactly like me, long brown hair, and by
Speaker 4: long I mean sort of a mid length brown hair,
Speaker 4: blue sweater.
Speaker 2: Yeah, large family, you have a large family. Yeah, got
Speaker 2: a large family.
Speaker 3: Do you really know you're not Meg?
Speaker 4: What am I saying on Alice? You don't have a
Speaker 4: large fan, Alice, We've been talking this entire time. I've
Speaker 4: been forcing you to get on Mike to answer questions.
Speaker 6: You know what, I feel way too perceived today and
Speaker 6: I'm really sorry, really uncomfortable, and I might need to leave.
Speaker 3: This was the straw.
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: Large families, secret Santas.
Speaker 3: I think this was your fault. I'm so sorry to say.
Speaker 3: You looked right in on Elise's eyes and said Meg
Speaker 3: said this.
Speaker 2: I gestured to the world and.
Speaker 4: Here was me trying and what you were saying. And
Speaker 4: so I also made eye contact with Onalise.
Speaker 2: And now a neighbor's dog is joining the conversation. Things
Speaker 2: have gotten out of control, and Meg is sitting there
Speaker 2: just on the edge of their seat.
Speaker 3: How do I fix this? How do I Fiel this,
Speaker 3: do you do a Secret Sanda or anything like that?
Speaker 3: Do you have any advice on how to fix this?
Speaker 2: You know, this is ah. I had a workplace where
Speaker 2: we had a Secret Santa, but uh, they called it that,
Speaker 2: But then everyone also had to get everyone a gift
Speaker 2: and it was the most maddening thing in the world.
Speaker 2: For me. It was like, well, let's just call it
Speaker 2: nothing because now I'm like, I still have to spend
Speaker 2: all of this money on everyone when the idea of
Speaker 2: Secret Santa is to kind of narrow it down. And
Speaker 2: I never made a fuss. I'd just let it kind
Speaker 2: of ruin me financially. Sure, So this sort of thing,
Speaker 2: I think what Meg needs to do. Meg's got to
Speaker 2: make it look like their life is hanging by a thread.
Speaker 2: Oh well, they can't handle getting this money gifts anymore.
Speaker 2: Kind of but through ways where the family notices and
Speaker 2: Meg doesn't say outright, you know, you go out to
Speaker 2: dinner with a dummy credit card offer to pay for everyone.
Speaker 2: The card gets declined in front of the whole family.
Speaker 2: Now they're thinking, what's happening with Meg? Maybe this is
Speaker 2: like right around Thanksgiving time, so now they're really.
Speaker 4: Camping it see I'm thinking this is happening the year before.
Speaker 4: You still got to suffer through on Christmas. But maybe
Speaker 4: like you get the same gift twice for two people,
Speaker 4: like you give somebody two. Tis a sort of a
Speaker 4: thing of like I don't know where this came from,
Speaker 4: like a real like have you seen the nineteen forty
Speaker 4: eight gas light?
Speaker 3: Like the original one?
Speaker 2: I've never seen it.
Speaker 3: So it's like she.
Speaker 4: Is both ingrid Bergman who is being gas lit, but
Speaker 4: also doing the gas lighting, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's sort of like a reverse I doesn't know that
Speaker 4: a dirty rotten scoundrels meets spoiler alert.
Speaker 3: Meets gaslight.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, right, So a similar gift to two.
Speaker 3: People that or two gifts for one person.
Speaker 4: Maybe forget one person and you give one person two
Speaker 4: gifts and you're just like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: What happened.
Speaker 1: Here?
Speaker 2: Is very good? I mean, and you have to do
Speaker 2: that two years in a row, I think just one year.
Speaker 4: So, like you said, you start this off Thanksgiving, let's
Speaker 4: say twenty twenty four, lay the groundwork. We're then falling
Speaker 4: apart by Christmas. We can then sort of maybe foreclose
Speaker 4: on our apartment the year after that.
Speaker 2: It's a slow, long game, but eventually the family will
Speaker 2: have finally settled on we can't keep doing this to
Speaker 2: each other, truly, may Yes, and we can't let what
Speaker 2: happened to Meg happen to us. Yes, because they are
Speaker 2: passive aggressive, Yeah, and they're judgy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So my family does do a secret Sannah. And
Speaker 3: are you the oldest? I knew that third it's.
Speaker 4: I am, so I am the oldest, and so you
Speaker 4: have sort of a gift in that power position. But
Speaker 4: I think really any sibling could do it. It just
Speaker 4: takes emailing and going hey, guys, so I've decided we're
Speaker 4: doing a secret Sanna this year. It is maybe a
Speaker 4: little direct, but also you could just sort of be
Speaker 4: like you guys do whatever you want for each other.
Speaker 4: But like I'm doing secret Sannah. I'm setting it up
Speaker 4: if you want to partake, right, But like I'm getting
Speaker 4: one gift for one person, and so then if they
Speaker 4: don't want to participate, then one person is just getting
Speaker 4: sort of, as mentioned earlier, an extra.
Speaker 2: Gift, right.
Speaker 4: I think so this is sort of my patented aggressive aggressive,
Speaker 4: which I think maybe is something that Meg can look
Speaker 4: to transitioning into.
Speaker 2: And it like kind of casts a light on the
Speaker 2: rest of the family if they don't participate as kill joyce,
Speaker 2: they don't want to be part of the game. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's not really a game, it's a solution, but you
Speaker 2: kind of say it's a game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, it's sort of like you mentioned earlier and
Speaker 4: sort of as we were talking about an ability to
Speaker 4: win and what Secret Sanda does is it really does
Speaker 4: every year march up on like who went over the
Speaker 4: limit even though we said we weren't going to go
Speaker 4: over the limit, who gave the most thoughtful gift of
Speaker 4: the year, And then you can just sort of stew
Speaker 4: on it and really think about it. So we do
Speaker 4: our Secret Sandah draw in now.
Speaker 2: July because we need all the pressure.
Speaker 4: Time to think about it. My brothers lose every single year.
Speaker 4: That's fine, it's not for them. We're not playing for them.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of a shame whoever they get, and
Speaker 4: it's sort of a shame the year that sounds terrible,
Speaker 4: one of us end up getting one of my brothers
Speaker 4: because they'll just you send them an Amazon.
Speaker 3: Link and they will order that off of Amazon.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe Usually it's a picture of whatever they're planning
Speaker 4: on getting you that will arrive sometime around the draw
Speaker 4: in July.
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, that's a mess. That's it. I think you
Speaker 2: should stop playing that. Do you think I don't like?
Speaker 2: I mean that just makes me tinse. Well, it's the.
Speaker 3: Game that keeps on giving because I do win every year.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, support you, fully, support you. Meg. What do
Speaker 2: you think of all of this advice? How are we doing?
Speaker 2: I think we gave Meg some advice that should save Christmas.
Speaker 3: Do you think Yeah? I think so too.
Speaker 2: You said something in there that feels like Meg is
Speaker 2: gonna like either the exchange will happen or the family
Speaker 2: will be torn apart. Either way, it's a solution.
Speaker 3: It's a solution.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then you know where you stand, which is
Speaker 4: all you can ask at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: It is that idea that sort of going back.
Speaker 4: To scary movies, when you name the demon, the demon
Speaker 4: doesn't have any powering exactly.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Meg's family is demons. Meg's family is demon family of demons.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can finally admit that to yourself. It's
Speaker 4: then finally your freed from it.
Speaker 2: Beautiful Meg, you have your advice. Get to work, Get
Speaker 2: to work on destroying your family. I love that, Vic.
Speaker 2: I've had such a wonderful time with you, Richard.
Speaker 3: This has been a dream and now I have this.
Speaker 2: Beautiful piece of art to inspire and to you know,
Speaker 2: make people wonder.
Speaker 4: I was so worried coming into this that this was
Speaker 4: going to be too much, and boy, if it as
Speaker 4: you didn't make me feel like that, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine this was it was either this or
Speaker 2: a roll of duct tape.
Speaker 4: Or yeah, well several roles of duct tape times. So
Speaker 4: you know, if I do come back, maybe just forget.
Speaker 2: To have duct tape. You're gonna have duct tape. A
Speaker 2: ventures have plenty of duct tape. Well, thank you for
Speaker 2: being here, Thank.
Speaker 4: You for having me Bridger. What a what a truly
Speaker 4: a gift and a blessing.
Speaker 2: Bless us everyone. Listener. Podcast is over. Oh there's a
Speaker 2: chill in the air. I've got to put on another layer.
Speaker 2: Put on as many layers as you want. Listener, stop
Speaker 2: listening to the podcast. I need you to stop listening.
Speaker 2: I love you, goodbye, I said no Gifts is an
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Speaker 2: Nelson and It's beautifully mixed by Ben Holliday and we
Speaker 2: couldn't do it without our guest booker, Patrick Kottner. The
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Speaker 2: I said, no gifts. I don't want to hear any excuses.
Speaker 2: That's where you get to see pictures of all these
Speaker 2: gorgeous gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see
Speaker 2: pictures of the gifts?
Speaker 1: And I invited you hear I thought I made myself
Speaker 1: perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you
Speaker 1: gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests,
Speaker 1: you're our presences. Presents enough. I already had too much stuff,
Speaker 1: So how do you dare to survey me