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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast, The Pick yourself up, dust yourself off,

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Speaker 1: and start all over again. Addition, going all the way

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Speaker 1: back to Nat King Cole for that intro, and it

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Speaker 1: feels like you have to go back that far to

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Speaker 1: remember a Bengals win. As Cincinnati fell to Owen seven

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. With a twenty seven seventeen loss to Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: coming up, you'll hear radio replays, locker room comments, and

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Speaker 1: Dave Lapham will join me for postgame analysis plus and

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Speaker 1: this week's fun facts conversation. We'll meet the person under

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Speaker 1: known as b W Webb, a Bengals newcomer this year

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Speaker 1: for making life in the Horde household a little sweeter. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's get to football. The first quarter of Sunday's game

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Speaker 1: against jackson could have been a disaster. The Jags out

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Speaker 1: gained the Bengals one ten to eleven. Cincinnati's four running

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Speaker 1: plays went for minus six yards, but thanks to a

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Speaker 1: to give it to Fournette. He leaps and he did

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Speaker 1: He jumped Mike Tournette did a couple of Brahma bulls

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Speaker 1: first half went for the Bengals defense. They allowed a

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Speaker 1: did a really good at field goals. You know, it

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Speaker 1: first half, hunting on their first five possessions, but with

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Speaker 1: ground in twenty nineteen. Crazy Joe Mixon leads the AFC

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Speaker 1: touchdown in seven football games. Speaking of Mixon, he carried

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Speaker 1: state of the Bengals running game. I mean, every football

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Speaker 1: team history was nine hundred forty nine yards, set back

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Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty two was a strike season and the Bengals

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Speaker 1: only played nine games. The final score Sunday was twenty

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Speaker 1: In case you're wondering, the worst start in team history

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Speaker 1: is and ten in nineteen ninety three. The bengals next

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati will be an underdog in all three games. After

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Speaker 1: That's a tough way to play when you can't run

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Speaker 1: Wilson Webb. Why b W? People always forget the junior? Sorry,

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Speaker 1: spurt until college. But yeah, I was always a fast guy. Man.

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Speaker 1: I think I got it from a mom. So you

427
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Speaker 1: went to William and Mary, and one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: why you wound up there was the fact that you

429
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Speaker 1: weren't very big. I have read five nine, one hundred

430
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Speaker 1: and fifty five pounds when you went to college. Is

431
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Speaker 1: that accurate? Yeah, it might have been even you know,

432
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Speaker 1: they try to give you a couple of pounds. So

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Speaker 1: one I really remember is like when I first got there,

434
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Speaker 1: I think I was like five nine one forty seven.

435
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Speaker 1: It was It was crazy. Man. I never really lived

436
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Speaker 1: at ways until I got to UH college, so I

437
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Speaker 1: helped out. We're talking to B. W. Webb. Few players

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Speaker 1: in college football history have had a better first game

439
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Speaker 1: than you had. Describe what you did in your college debut. Man,

440
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Speaker 1: we were playing UVA at their place. First game. Had

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Speaker 1: the Jitters ended up with three interceptions, one took back

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Speaker 1: all the way for a touchdown, man, and gave us

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Speaker 1: to win. So, uh yeah, it was great. It was

444
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Speaker 1: a great first in present. So William and Mary knocks

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Speaker 1: off Virginia. You have three interceptions, including a pick six,

446
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Speaker 1: and after your very first college football game, you were

447
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Speaker 1: the National d Offensive Player of the week. Yes, sir, man, Man,

448
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: it was a dream come true. Man, all the hard

449
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: work I put in and man, just a chip I

450
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: had on my shoulder. Man from other colleges that overlooked

451
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: me told me I was too small, So that was

452
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Speaker 1: my thing. I wanted to prove everybody wrong. You had

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Speaker 1: eight interceptions your freshman year, and then teams started throwing

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Speaker 1: at the opposite direction. Right, you didn't have many passes

455
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Speaker 1: thrown in your direction. Oh yeah, for sure. They learned

456
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Speaker 1: their lesson that first year. Well man, they went a

457
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Speaker 1: smart way. But uh yeah, I mean that was that

458
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: was big for me, man. It kind of show that

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Speaker 1: teams respected me. We're chatting at b W Webb. William

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Speaker 1: and Mary is a very prestigious academic institution. It's the

461
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Speaker 1: second oldest college university in the country behind Harvard. How

462
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Speaker 1: challenging was the school work for you? It was tough, man,

463
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: you know it wasn't a big like football school, so

464
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Speaker 1: you know, we really didn't get passes on you know,

465
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Speaker 1: no teachers looking out for grades or everything. Man. Everything

466
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Speaker 1: we had to do ourselves. Man. So uh you know,

467
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: going from class to practice and trying to get your

468
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Speaker 1: work done, trying to watch film. And it was tough, man,

469
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Speaker 1: you know, but I got the hang of him in,

470
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Speaker 1: stayed on top of everything and just made the best

471
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Speaker 1: of my opportunity. What does a William and Mary degree

472
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Speaker 1: mean to you everything? Uh No, It's it's kind of

473
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Speaker 1: crazy because you know, it's such a small school, but

474
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Speaker 1: a lot of people knew a lot about it. And

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Speaker 1: I really didn't understand that until after I graduated, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I got to speak with people in they

477
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Speaker 1: would like, oh, you want to William and Mary. But

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Speaker 1: um man, it's big, man. So many connections people that

479
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: you you meet at school. Uh No, Coach Duffner here,

480
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: he went to William Mary. Robert Livingston went to William Mary.

481
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: Potts went to William and Mary. So it's a big,

482
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Speaker 1: traditional school. Man. So after a great college career, there

483
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Speaker 1: you are a fourth round draft picked by the Dallas Cowboys,

484
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: America's team in twenty thirteen. What was your draft experience? Like?

485
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: It was amazing, man, it was a dream come true,

486
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: something that I wanted to do for a long time.

487
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: But it was kind of it sounds weird, man. It

488
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: was kind of bittersweet because on the plane ride, like

489
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: actually going to Dallas, I was sad, man because it

490
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: was my first time like being away from home, Like, uh,

491
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: you know, home from whim Mary was thirty minutes so

492
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: I could drop by get a meal from my mom. Man. Man,

493
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 1: I think, Man, I went to Dallas. It was like

494
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: twenty two hours away and it was just crazy. Man.

495
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: You know, I was gonna miss my parents, family and friends.

496
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Speaker 1: But man, I got over it. So I'm s all right.

497
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: You have had an unusual NFL career because you basically

498
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: changed teams every year, six teams in six years. What

499
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: is the most difficult thing about that? And Arthur any

500
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 1: positives to bouncing around from place to place? For sure? Um,

501
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: the most challenging thing, man. You have to pick up

502
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: the playbook and go ahead and be able to roll

503
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: with the punches. But I don't know for me. I

504
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: mean I took it as a challenge, man, Um. I

505
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: didn't hang my head. I didn't feel bad for myself.

506
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: I just seemed as another opportunity to go out there

507
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Speaker 1: and showcase my skills. It mean you meet a lot

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Speaker 1: of people, So I mean I've definitely met a lot

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Speaker 1: of people in the league. Man, been around a lot

510
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: of places, became good friends with a lot of people. So, uh,

511
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: some positives that came out of it. Looks like you're

512
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: traveling days are over for a while. The bank all

513
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Speaker 1: signed you to a three year contract as a free agent.

514
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: Was that a relief to have that stability one hundred percent? Man?

515
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: Just to be able to grow with the team was

516
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: big to me. And be able to have that relationship

517
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: with coaches and you know, for them to actually learn

518
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: like who I am and not gonna learn who they are,

519
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: what they like, what they don't like. It was very

520
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: big to me. And you know, God bless me to

521
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: sign that contract for three years, so I was looking

522
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Speaker 1: looking forward to it. A few more fun facts for

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Speaker 1: b W Web. If people in Cincinnati see a guy

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Speaker 1: with long drags riding around on a motorized unicycle, chances

525
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: are it's you. You seem to really enjoy that thing.

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00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's it's easy man. I don't gotta you know,

527
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: I don't spend too much money on gas. I get

528
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: I get from here to my apartment. Quit not in

529
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: any traffic. I don't have to wait in any traffic.

530
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Speaker 1: So it's all good for me. Man. I get around

531
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Speaker 1: the city, man, because I have a big truck, so

532
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to park it everywhere. And Man, with my

533
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: little scooter, I just get in and out. I read

534
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: somewhere that you were a roller skater as a kids.

535
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: Who have you always been into things on wheels like that? Uh? Yeah, yeah,

536
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: you know Newport News every Sunday. You know, we all

537
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: go to the roller skating ring. Man have a time.

538
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: So that's what we did in my area. Man, everybody

539
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: seems like roller skated, and uh that was my thing.

540
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: That was our little getaway from from sports or something

541
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: back in the day. I can I still do it

542
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: to this day. If you could meet anybody in history, athlete, actor, politician,

543
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: religious figure, whomever it might be, who would that person be?

544
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: Tupac Corp. I don't know him ever since I was younger, man,

545
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: I mean I loved his music. Man. He was a

546
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: very smart person man, very gifted person. And I mean

547
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: I just always just wanted to sit down with him, man,

548
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: just kind of pick his brain. Man. But that's one

549
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: person for sure. You've done some great things in the

550
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: community back home where you're from, celebrity basketball, game, football

551
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: camp for kids. What is the crux of your message

552
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: when you talk to young people coming out of Newport

553
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: News in a seven five seven area. Everybody knows it's

554
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: not the best area in the world, and a lot

555
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: of kids get caught up, you know, doing dumb things,

556
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: getting caught in crimes and everything like that. And I

557
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: just want to show him that it's a way out. Man.

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00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: You don't have to be a part of all that.

559
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's guys like myself, Michael fitt Al Narverson

560
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: who who came out of this area and we followed

561
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: our our dreams, our goals and got to where we

562
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: wanted to get. And you know, at times it seems like,

563
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, we might just be a face on TV

564
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: and and we're not real people. But you know, I

565
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: just want to come back and show him that, hey, man,

566
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: like I was in the same situation y'all was, and no,

567
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: I found the way I made it out. Got a

568
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: scholarship so my parents didn't have to pay for a

569
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: school because I was the biggest thing. And man, just

570
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: to keep grinding, man and no sin, it's gonna be

571
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 1: doubters along the way and everything that happens along the way.

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Speaker 1: May just use that as motivation. I've enjoyed this. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to us, Cincinnati. Great to have you part of the

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Speaker 1: team and the best of luck going forward. Definitely thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's b W Webb. We hope you'll join us and

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Speaker 1: one of our on location radio shows this week. On

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night from six to eight, we'll be at Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Wings and Rings and Liberty Township for the Bengals Game

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Speaker 1: Plan Show. Then on Friday afternoon we'll record the Bengals

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Speaker 1: pep Rally Show in London at the Admiralty, the Bengals

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Speaker 1: official Bar. We anticipate taping the show from five to

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Speaker 1: eight London time, so if you are making the trip

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Speaker 1: or live in the UK, we hope to see you

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Speaker 1: there to hoist a pint. That's going to do it

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Speaker 1: for this episode of the podcast. If you haven't done

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Speaker 1: so already, don't forget to subscribe wherever you get your podcast,

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