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Speaker 1: I'd like to smile a lot. Some days, it is
Speaker 1: tough to be outside and just be happy. Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: Cadine and we're the ellis Is. You may know us
Speaker 1: from posting funny videos without boys and reading each other
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Speaker 1: to open dialogue about some of life's most taboo topics,
Speaker 1: things most folks don't want to talk about. Through the
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Speaker 1: this topic is very heavy for us, Yes, heavy load.
Speaker 1: Today I'm with Jackson in the park and this white
Speaker 1: woman next to us, she's there with with her kids,
Speaker 1: and I'm Neil with Jackson, and you know, she says, oh,
Speaker 1: I see, it's it's your day. And I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, you know you you and
Speaker 1: your son out, you know, it must be your day,
Speaker 1: you know, your weekend. I was just like, nah, like
Speaker 1: I did this yesterday because I'm married and I do
Speaker 1: this every day, this fatherhood thing. This is something I
Speaker 1: do every day, Like contrary to what you may believe,
Speaker 1: I'm a father every day. And I just walked away,
Speaker 1: didn't like, didn't the knowledge the fact that that was like, really,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a tough thing to say to somebody.
Speaker 1: When I walk with my boys anywhere. If people don't
Speaker 1: know what's via social media, the comments and things they
Speaker 1: say are often very similar to that. You know, you
Speaker 1: can't assume that people know that you're married, but they'll
Speaker 1: say slick stuff like that, oh it's daddy's weekend, must
Speaker 1: be daddy's weekend, or you know, like or taking Jackson
Speaker 1: to the movie theater, you know, saying a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: this was the other day, I'm taking Jackson to Linden
Speaker 1: movie theater. And the young lady behind there said, and
Speaker 1: I don't think she was being aggressive, but she said, yeah,
Speaker 1: when it was my dad's that he used to take
Speaker 1: me out of school and take me to the movie
Speaker 1: theaters too. And it's like, damn, Like I'm a black man.
Speaker 1: I can't just have spent time with a song without
Speaker 1: people thinking that, oh, I'm just doing this too compensate
Speaker 1: for something else, or maybe I'm not around right. Because
Speaker 1: those are the hardest things for me to deal with.
Speaker 1: Y'all had me a little gased up with the last
Speaker 1: karaoke session. It actually wasn't karaoke was actually the very
Speaker 1: top of the show last time, and they clipped that
Speaker 1: little bite where I hit that note at the end
Speaker 1: Jazmine Sullivan song. I mean, I will not profess to
Speaker 1: be any singer, but that was the one shot deal.
Speaker 1: So don't expect any more of that for me, guys.
Speaker 1: I'm just putting that out there for future karaokes because
Speaker 1: the pressure is on. But no, I think today, because
Speaker 1: our topic is super serious. Um A song came to
Speaker 1: mind from um the legend Bob Marley. Bob Marley spoke
Speaker 1: a lot about human rights or lack thereof, and he
Speaker 1: was an advocate for that. Oh lord, snapstop s s snap.
Speaker 1: Until the philosophy which holds one race superior to another
Speaker 1: inferior it's finally and permanently discredited and abandoned. Everywhere is war.
Speaker 1: Miss a war that until there's no longer first class
Speaker 1: and second class citizens of any nation under the color
Speaker 1: of a man's skin, Until the color of a man
Speaker 1: skin is no longer significant or more significant than the
Speaker 1: color of his eyes. Miss a war that until the
Speaker 1: basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard
Speaker 1: to race, this is a war. I think the whole
Speaker 1: song is super super deep and it's crazy, and you know,
Speaker 1: once you put a beat on the back of it,
Speaker 1: you know it's pretty dope. But it's poetry. He's a poet.
Speaker 1: He spoke about things that mattered. Um, you know, so
Speaker 1: shout out to Bob and um that song, and I
Speaker 1: think it's a great segue because it talks about what
Speaker 1: we're talking about today, talks about human rights or lack thereof,
Speaker 1: taken from US and the war on human rights, the
Speaker 1: war on women, the war on our black and brown
Speaker 1: men and women in um. So this was perfect and fitting.
Speaker 1: I think, I know it's difficult. I mean it's difficult.
Speaker 1: I think about my boys. I wake up in the morning,
Speaker 1: I look at them, and this is the hardest part
Speaker 1: for me. I look at them some days and I'm
Speaker 1: just like man from fifteen to nineteen. I really have
Speaker 1: to arm you with the tools to survive just being yourself,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think about that all the time.
Speaker 1: I think that's a lesson you learn with situations like
Speaker 1: this that you've been in that now since you've experienced that,
Speaker 1: it's how do we equipped our boys. Think about the
Speaker 1: hundreds of you know, young men who are in your
Speaker 1: mentorship program and in your speed and performance enhancement training
Speaker 1: program where it's not just about learning how to run
Speaker 1: or how to jump, or how to get that college scholarship.
Speaker 1: It's about how to survive in these streets. It's about
Speaker 1: knowing the code to which you have to address authority
Speaker 1: things like that. I mean, it's what makes this topic
Speaker 1: so heavy today, and we feel like it's so necessary.
Speaker 1: And you know, people know us for laughing and joking
Speaker 1: and smiling on the Graham and having funny videos, but
Speaker 1: we feel like we would be remiss when doing this
Speaker 1: podcast if we did not touch on and speak to
Speaker 1: topics that are currently affecting us on a day to
Speaker 1: day basis. Yeah. The truth the truth to millennial parenting,
Speaker 1: like the truth millennial parenting right now is this. You
Speaker 1: look at the current climate and how racism has become
Speaker 1: accepted now because you're allowed to say whatever you want,
Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, this is the way I feel.
Speaker 1: So now you see how people are approaching us. And
Speaker 1: it was very similar. I remember when Barack Obama in
Speaker 1: two thousand eight first became president and they said we're
Speaker 1: going to have a race war, and you saw a
Speaker 1: lot of biggots come out because they felt like they
Speaker 1: had to defend their whiteness because we had a black president.
Speaker 1: And now we have Donald Trump as president and it's
Speaker 1: now the biggots are out again and they have to
Speaker 1: once again defend their whiteness and then defending their whiteness.
Speaker 1: They have to, you know, show you that you're still
Speaker 1: just black in America. And it's hard for me sometimes
Speaker 1: because all you really want to do in life, it's
Speaker 1: just just enjoy your life, have fun and build your family.
Speaker 1: And it's difficult, right, And it's difficult because you're seeing
Speaker 1: rights being taken away. You know, you're watching boys still
Speaker 1: being murdered in the streets with no repercussion. You're watching
Speaker 1: women being murdered no repercussions. And it's like when you
Speaker 1: when it's just you, you like, I could take care
Speaker 1: of myself. It's me and my wife, We adults can
Speaker 1: take care of yourself. But when you send your children
Speaker 1: out into the street, you're saying, now, like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I just please like that that conversation that we I
Speaker 1: have to have with the boys. Now. I feel like
Speaker 1: sometimes we're regressing. Because I remember my my grandmom, uh
Speaker 1: shout out to Della from South Carolina, Orangeburg, South Carolina.
Speaker 1: I asked her at one point, why were you so
Speaker 1: hard on us growing up? And she said to me,
Speaker 1: you know, growing up when I was growing up, if
Speaker 1: you were a young black boy and you stepped out
Speaker 1: of line, your life could be taken and no one
Speaker 1: would care. So for her it was I have to
Speaker 1: keep you in line first at home, so you know
Speaker 1: how to behave outside. And the only way she knew
Speaker 1: how to do that was with force. So we used
Speaker 1: to get spankings, but we were all in check, me
Speaker 1: and my brother and my cousin d Van, and so
Speaker 1: that was done out of fear and out of it
Speaker 1: was done out of fear and love. She never wanted
Speaker 1: anything to happen to us. It was like, if I
Speaker 1: teach them how to be polite, dressed properly, walk a
Speaker 1: certain way, talk a certain way, it would limit the
Speaker 1: opportunities for something bad to happen to them. And I
Speaker 1: felt like when I was young, I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: things have changed, so it's not that bad. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not the sixties anymore. They're not lynching people in
Speaker 1: the streets anymore, you know, and getting there, and then
Speaker 1: you look at the past couple of years and you
Speaker 1: see how many unknowned black men were murdered, which are
Speaker 1: almost like modern day lynchings because they're murdered and there's
Speaker 1: no repercussions period. People get to walk away scot free.
Speaker 1: So what's the message we're sending people who are murdering
Speaker 1: black boys and black girls. Oh, you can do that,
Speaker 1: because nothing's gonna happen. So now, when when our boys
Speaker 1: are walking in the street and the old solution we
Speaker 1: used to be will take them out of the hood,
Speaker 1: move them to a better neighborhood and they can avoid
Speaker 1: those things. Hell no, because now you see the stories
Speaker 1: of the young black kids who are in the white
Speaker 1: neighborhood and the cops came to the swim party and
Speaker 1: they all got hemp done. He's in the back of
Speaker 1: their neck, and it's like, now I'm worried if I
Speaker 1: move my children too are predominantly white neighborhood or an
Speaker 1: affluent neighborhood, they have to be the only black and
Speaker 1: then they're the target. So you can't avoid it, whether
Speaker 1: you stay in your community or whether you move to
Speaker 1: their community. It's almost like you can't avoid it. So
Speaker 1: you have to arm them with a different a different
Speaker 1: type of level of understanding that you're black, bro. And
Speaker 1: that's heavy as heavy for me, as heavy as a father,
Speaker 1: it's heavy as a mother. I think it's just heavy
Speaker 1: for anybody who loves on these black and brown men
Speaker 1: that we have walking out in these streets, really just
Speaker 1: trying to exist in this space that is America today.
Speaker 1: And before we get into our guests, just a little
Speaker 1: background about why we're even talking about this today. According
Speaker 1: to Vox, four states have passed beat bills this year alone,
Speaker 1: banning abortion as early as six weeks into pregnancy. Alabama
Speaker 1: just passed a near total ban on abortion at any
Speaker 1: stage of pregnancy, with no exception for rape or incest.
Speaker 1: Missouri moved a step closer to passing a ban on
Speaker 1: abortion at eight weeks just station, also without exceptions for
Speaker 1: rape or incests. The bill passed the state Senate and
Speaker 1: now returned to the House for approval. And I was
Speaker 1: down in d C at the Mom Friends with over
Speaker 1: five hundred black and brown mamas. We talked about everything
Speaker 1: from rearing our children to self care, and I feel
Speaker 1: like it was so very necessary to even touch on
Speaker 1: in my keynote speech. I feel like I would have
Speaker 1: been remiss if I didn't speak about women in general
Speaker 1: and how we're under attack in this country and talk
Speaker 1: about the really inhumane and antiquated stance that's been taken
Speaker 1: um with the current recent events that cripple women's rights. UM,
Speaker 1: and just so happens that Jamila Lemieux was down with
Speaker 1: in d C and we were in passing. We didn't
Speaker 1: get to really chat and talk, but I thought she
Speaker 1: would be an amazing person to have on today to
Speaker 1: speak about, uh, the change in abortion rights and women's rights.
Speaker 1: So Jamila, how are you? I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 1: I am doing well? I'm doing well. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us today. Deval and I, UM, we
Speaker 1: just felt like this was a current event topic that
Speaker 1: we had to touch on a little bit, especially after
Speaker 1: the weekend we just had in DC. Absolutely, absolutely, what's up, Jamale.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. We We're truly
Speaker 1: grateful for your voice. I've been following you on Twitter,
Speaker 1: you on Instagram and seeing all the work you've been
Speaker 1: doing and it's it's amazing. Thank you so much. Also
Speaker 1: being a mom yourself and having a beautiful daughter, so
Speaker 1: I appreciate you just stepping out here and being a
Speaker 1: voice for millennials and for those of you who don't know.
Speaker 1: Jamala is an award winning writer, communication strategist who's rumored
Speaker 1: to be a leading millennial voice around issues of race, gender,
Speaker 1: and sexuality. So it was only fitting to have you
Speaker 1: on here today, Jamila UM and I just wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to you really quick about one of your recent
Speaker 1: and most polarized saying. I would say Twitter threads that read, um,
Speaker 1: I feel regret and disappointment for not keeping the Gucci
Speaker 1: shades I put on layaway at t J max in
Speaker 1: two thousand two. I don't feel anything about not having
Speaker 1: a child I wasn't ready for or interested in having.
Speaker 1: And it breaks my heart watching women share these stories
Speaker 1: from their youth or broken days, or of pregnancies they
Speaker 1: wanted but couldn't keep re traumatizing themselves in hopes of
Speaker 1: reaching people who refuse to honor our humanity. But for
Speaker 1: some goof to say no one wants an abortion implies
Speaker 1: that it's okay to criminalize those of us who did no. Wow,
Speaker 1: that was a whole whole read So you need to
Speaker 1: tell us, Jimmy Law, where did that come from? What?
Speaker 1: What sparked this this? This, uh, this thread from you?
Speaker 1: You know. So we're in this moment where they are
Speaker 1: these very restrictive um abortion laws that are being past
Speaker 1: h particularly in southern space, there are other space across.
Speaker 1: Essentially they're looking to pass filar legislation that is going
Speaker 1: to make it damn there impossible for women in these
Speaker 1: places too out of pain allegal and safe abortion. And
Speaker 1: I'm careful not to say a pain and abortion because
Speaker 1: you know, we can very easily return to the days
Speaker 1: on which women have to participate in an underground network,
Speaker 1: you know, where they have to go to someone who
Speaker 1: doesn't have perhaps the training or you know, the standards
Speaker 1: of cleanliness and understanding of you know, the science of abortion,
Speaker 1: uh necessaries to performed it, you know, medical procedure in
Speaker 1: order to obtain one. You know, you're not gonna make
Speaker 1: the desire for abortions go away if you restrate women's
Speaker 1: access that you're just going to find another way to
Speaker 1: do it right. And so you know, as a result, um,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of folks have come forward and shared,
Speaker 1: you know, as this indication. Every two years when this
Speaker 1: legislation is on the table, women are coming forward, you know,
Speaker 1: via social media, via blogs, newspapers and magazines to tell
Speaker 1: their abortion stories and so awesome. You know, the abortion
Speaker 1: stories that are told publicly kind of fit the same,
Speaker 1: you know, profile it's either I was too young for
Speaker 1: a baby, I was too broke for a baby, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe we had children, it can't afford another one. Um,
Speaker 1: there were some sort of medical prices, so either the
Speaker 1: child was not going to survive a lovely life was
Speaker 1: at risks, you know, but there was some you know,
Speaker 1: serious reason. That's the why. There's also raping incests, which
Speaker 1: is one of the two that you would think an
Speaker 1: abortion could be a thing that's very necessary for quickly,
Speaker 1: have have you been open about your your story or
Speaker 1: is this something you choose not to tell you You
Speaker 1: just tell that you have one, but you don't really
Speaker 1: tell the story, the story, you know, I had an
Speaker 1: abortion when I was this was maybe it was twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: I was already a mother, a single co parenting while
Speaker 1: they're in a very happy, healthy, peacefulball parenting relationship. Financially,
Speaker 1: I was doing, you know, pretty okay. We money, I'll
Speaker 1: just say that money was not a factor. So it
Speaker 1: was a personal reference just for you, you just do it.
Speaker 1: We were not loved, you know. I think that if
Speaker 1: I kept the premacy and maybe we would have tried,
Speaker 1: you know, to be in a romantic relationship. But I
Speaker 1: don't think that's the reasons we tried to make something
Speaker 1: like that happened or work, you know, if that's not
Speaker 1: what you want. You know, if there if the premacy
Speaker 1: wasn't on the table, I would have never considered that right,
Speaker 1: So we would be creating a family, you know, because
Speaker 1: we got partner and we'd used the Plan B. You know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that there was complete cautions wrong to the friends,
Speaker 1: but you know, the mistake was made plans he didn't work,
Speaker 1: So I didn't want the baby. And I knew that
Speaker 1: the shot would be fine and we give them a
Speaker 1: good life, you know, whether we were together or not,
Speaker 1: that if the kid would have a very good life.
Speaker 1: But I was like, look, I got I want to
Speaker 1: write a book. I got to you know, and they's
Speaker 1: not one another baby at that moment, right. And not
Speaker 1: not to cut you off, but I think that's also
Speaker 1: a misconception that people often take when it comes down
Speaker 1: to pregnancies, is that you should have taken the proper
Speaker 1: precautions before you've gotten pregnant. You should have used contraceptive,
Speaker 1: then you could have used the Plan B. Here you
Speaker 1: you did, you use the plan being it didn't work,
Speaker 1: so you still had to make a tough decision. And
Speaker 1: I think it's hard for men. And I'm speaking for
Speaker 1: men because you know, realistically, it's difficult for men to
Speaker 1: ever feel comfortable telling a woman what to do with
Speaker 1: her body. But it's also difficult for us to understand
Speaker 1: what you guys go through through pregnancy. I didn't really
Speaker 1: truly understand until I watched my wife go through pregnancy
Speaker 1: of how it changes your entire the trajectory of your life, everything.
Speaker 1: So I think these stories are important for for not
Speaker 1: only women to be able to share, but for men
Speaker 1: to hear, because unless you've gone through a pregnancy with
Speaker 1: a woman or your wife, you don't know what women
Speaker 1: go through. So I think it is important and I
Speaker 1: applaud you for sharing because men need to hear this,
Speaker 1: especially if there's gonna be men making decisions, which to
Speaker 1: me is just ridiculous. I think that's the that's the
Speaker 1: hardest pill to swallow with this whole thing, is that
Speaker 1: we have a whole team of men who are making
Speaker 1: decisions over women's bodies when they I mean, regardless of
Speaker 1: your pro choice, pro life, that's what women like you
Speaker 1: can't walk a mile in our shoes when it comes
Speaker 1: to our pregnancy is our bodies. And I would never
Speaker 1: I would never want to be pregnant or have a baby.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking from a man like for me, it's easy
Speaker 1: to see why a woman would say I'm not ready
Speaker 1: to have a child. I am not ready to go through,
Speaker 1: especially if you're in a career phase. I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it. I watched you go through three times
Speaker 1: and to hear your story, you were you know, you
Speaker 1: were going towards a bigger party of career. So I
Speaker 1: understand and our applogy. That's I really appreciate you sharing that.
Speaker 1: But I do have a question, though, what do you say,
Speaker 1: because part of your quote you said that people are
Speaker 1: kind of discrediting your right to your humanity. What do
Speaker 1: you say to those people who say, well, what about
Speaker 1: what is humane about getting rid of a child? So
Speaker 1: to me, I I respect and affirm people's various religious beliefs.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, in a country where we
Speaker 1: have a separation between church and state, we can't say
Speaker 1: you know, the life again your birth because that's not
Speaker 1: nically true. Right, that's you know that they can't be argued,
Speaker 1: it can be debated. And again, knowing that there needs
Speaker 1: to be access to safe and legal abortion because there
Speaker 1: are times where the mother's life is in crisis, or
Speaker 1: when the child's life you know, is not going to
Speaker 1: serve for the child won't survive. So you have to
Speaker 1: go through a pregnancy knowing that the child is not viable,
Speaker 1: you know, and you're getting bigger and your body is
Speaker 1: going through all crystal changes of pregnancy, knowing that the
Speaker 1: baby can't live outside of your body, right when you
Speaker 1: could have saved yourself that trauma, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: terminated earlier, or you know, in a position where you
Speaker 1: could die right about. So there's a there's this need
Speaker 1: for that. And I think that people who feel otherwise
Speaker 1: from a wall ethical standpoint, have a choice right, which
Speaker 1: is to not have an abortion, which is to not
Speaker 1: partner with a woman would be willing to have an
Speaker 1: abortion under any sir. That's agreement between two people, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think that that's what's important. If we are
Speaker 1: only partner putiple that you know, we can say, hey,
Speaker 1: this is where I feel and this is how I stand.
Speaker 1: And that's not to say that things can't change, because
Speaker 1: a woman can be like, look, we've got four kids,
Speaker 1: and you know, I thought I'd never be willing to terminate,
Speaker 1: but I just can't do this for my body again. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I totally understand that, Jamila. What's one thing that you
Speaker 1: want young women, especially within our community, because that's the
Speaker 1: platform that you have to take away from the conversation
Speaker 1: around these abortion laws. Um, you know, what's what's something
Speaker 1: that you think is the most important thing? Because I
Speaker 1: also read an article recently from the Associated Press that
Speaker 1: talked about the nation's birth rates last year reaching record
Speaker 1: lows for women in their teens and twenties, which tends
Speaker 1: to be the age when most women do have abortions. Um.
Speaker 1: And that's like I think the fewest babies have been
Speaker 1: born in the past thirty two years. So what you
Speaker 1: take away from women who because you know, this is
Speaker 1: a choice, and the biggest thing here is that the
Speaker 1: it's not even for your pro life or pro choice,
Speaker 1: it's the the fact that the choice is being taken
Speaker 1: away from the woman over her body to be able
Speaker 1: to govern over her body. Um. So what do you
Speaker 1: say to young women in the community about this. What
Speaker 1: would be the biggest takeaway? Yeah, I really want all
Speaker 1: young women black, you know, young black women in particular,
Speaker 1: to one be politically engaged and aware to vote, but also,
Speaker 1: you know, black women's maternal health outcomes, and this is
Speaker 1: the thing I think you mentioned in your femail, but
Speaker 1: this is certainly a thing throughout the My friends are
Speaker 1: so devastating that the United States remains on with the
Speaker 1: United States remains to cop to lift the countries with
Speaker 1: uh you know, top ten countries in comes of maternals. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's only in it and it we have to recognize
Speaker 1: that it's only because of Black women. It's not because
Speaker 1: of the death of white women or not black Latino women. Yes,
Speaker 1: that those groups, you know, white women particular, even though
Speaker 1: they're having issues with the chill and birth rates and
Speaker 1: black semen are having infertility issues that aren't being talked about,
Speaker 1: like be clear, but that there, you know, but their
Speaker 1: maternal mortality outcomes to improved. Ours have not. And it's
Speaker 1: not just a matter of inter poverty because for years,
Speaker 1: if so, why is maternal mortality and the mortality rates
Speaker 1: so high for black women and so oh, it's because
Speaker 1: it's team pregnancy and poverty. Well, Peain pregnancy rates have
Speaker 1: gone down drastically over the past twenty years. So it's
Speaker 1: not that la and it's not and it's not class
Speaker 1: college educated high earning black woman who has pre natos
Speaker 1: care is more likely to die as a relate die
Speaker 1: red three or four times when I said that related
Speaker 1: to pregnancy related issues, which means it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be during the pregnancy, that can be within a year
Speaker 1: of the birth. So a air Garner's daughter, for example,
Speaker 1: the herd condition that took her out of this world,
Speaker 1: you know, it's something that would be attributed to her pregnancy.
Speaker 1: We don't talk about dots and enough are like you
Speaker 1: there or four times more white me not just on
Speaker 1: white women, but then white women that are only high
Speaker 1: school educated and did not have preinatal care too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's to talk about, absolutely, and there's so many
Speaker 1: other things that we haven't touched on, like this whole
Speaker 1: right wing narrative that's perpetuating that you know, having access
Speaker 1: to abortions means that the black race is trying to
Speaker 1: be eradicated slowly, Like that's one thing that I've heard recently,
Speaker 1: or even just the other the other side of it.
Speaker 1: If they make it illegal to have an abortion and
Speaker 1: it's now a felony, that takes the way you're right
Speaker 1: to vote. Well, there's so many different ways that this
Speaker 1: this whole conversation can go um, but we appreciate you
Speaker 1: so much for taking the time to even just touch
Speaker 1: on this. I think what you're using your platform for
Speaker 1: is amazing, because, like we said this past weekend, we
Speaker 1: need more forums and more arenas to be able to
Speaker 1: have these open discussions and ultimately it comes down to
Speaker 1: to research and knowing your rights and and realistically, ladies,
Speaker 1: I appreciate both of you because as a man, a
Speaker 1: black man who talks a lot, who loves to talk,
Speaker 1: it was good to listen to you guys speak about
Speaker 1: this and actually learn while I sat here. I'm never
Speaker 1: really speechless, and when I sat here learning so much.
Speaker 1: My wife's been doing research about this for the past
Speaker 1: couple of months and listening to you talk about it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate both of you. Guys. We have to have
Speaker 1: you on this show to do a full show about this.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. I love that. It's really cool they
Speaker 1: I want to say thank you all for using your
Speaker 1: platform for this, because I know how easy it. You know,
Speaker 1: y'all are couple goals and family goals and grey and
Speaker 1: they inspire us all. But I think this uglier. You
Speaker 1: know this more complicated side of parenting and absolutely definitely
Speaker 1: and the road to that. So thank you so much, Jimmie,
Speaker 1: La have a great rest of the day and we
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. So we're going to talk to
Speaker 1: Kenneth Montgomery. He is a lawyer born and raised here
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. Yes, we love Kenny, have a great history
Speaker 1: with him and his family, and over the past fourteen years,
Speaker 1: he has successfully litigated and defended clients charged with everything
Speaker 1: from murder to drug possession, weapons possession, rape, grand larceny, conspiracy,
Speaker 1: identity theft, sex abuse, and so much more. And it's
Speaker 1: important to point out that first Kenny started out in
Speaker 1: the prosecution. He was in prosecution. He learned a lot
Speaker 1: about while being a part of prosecution, but then, while
Speaker 1: being a part of prosecution, noticed how many black and
Speaker 1: brown men and women were walking through the doors. Kenny
Speaker 1: is just dope. His family is dope. His team that
Speaker 1: he works with is dope. Um, their team is my
Speaker 1: entertainment lawyers. I keep it at home because that's my people.
Speaker 1: You know, I trust them, I respect them, and uh,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to Kenny about this now,
Speaker 1: this would be dope. And of course Kenny will tell
Speaker 1: you a lot more about himself when he's in and UM, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it's going to be a heavy loaded topic today,
Speaker 1: but I think it's very necessary, thank you said earlier, Devout.
Speaker 1: It's a part of millennial parenting because you know, again
Speaker 1: we don't profess to be experts on everything, but we
Speaker 1: do like to at least open the dialogue. And that's
Speaker 1: the purpose of this podcast, I think, ultimately, regardless of
Speaker 1: what the topic is, if it's something lightweight, if it's
Speaker 1: something heavy, if it's something that provokes some sort of
Speaker 1: thought and can help you to engage in conversations with
Speaker 1: your group chats or your friends or your family. UM,
Speaker 1: we're just hoping that whatever you take away from here,
Speaker 1: that it will then open up the dialogue which I
Speaker 1: think is so missing within our community today. Is all right,
Speaker 1: So without further ado, let's jump into this conversation. We
Speaker 1: have Kenneth Montgomery with us in the building. Straight up,
Speaker 1: I'm literally straight out Queen Supreme. Today today happened to
Speaker 1: be I gotta get used to this much. Today happen.
Speaker 1: Today happened to be Queens, And I came straight here.
Speaker 1: I'm very um honored to be here. Were honored to
Speaker 1: have my favorite my favorite family vice versa you and
Speaker 1: your family, your wife, I love and adore your wife,
Speaker 1: and we have our own little history. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah right, we found that out kind of
Speaker 1: happenstance one day when I showed up to do her makeup.
Speaker 1: I was like, girl, She's like, yeah, I was at
Speaker 1: the park with you. I was like, what real quick?
Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade is going to be challenged, or it
Speaker 1: is being challenged. The most powerful thing that Trump has
Speaker 1: in his toolbox is the ability to appoint point these
Speaker 1: federal judges. Um, these federal judges people don't understand, and
Speaker 1: this so called civilized society, even even not Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: federal district judges are lifetime appointments. So unless they die
Speaker 1: or move on there there, their job is He's gonna
Speaker 1: put in his group of people to break apart the
Speaker 1: civil rights bills, the Roe v. Wades, all those conservative
Speaker 1: hot bench issues that are dog whistling topics for millions
Speaker 1: of white people in this country. And um, that's what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, and and it's it is happening, And UM,
Speaker 1: I think it's ridiculous that in two thousand nineteen and
Speaker 1: the civilized society that I find it appalling that a
Speaker 1: man would determine what a woman should do with a body.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like discussing the racism you can it's scary,
Speaker 1: literally under attacking so many different ways, so many different ways.
Speaker 1: So talk a little bit about why you went from
Speaker 1: prosecution to defense, that's easy. Um, you know, my motivation
Speaker 1: for being an attorney was I had read Malcolm X's
Speaker 1: book really really early, his autobiography, and it got to
Speaker 1: a section um where he wanted to be an attorney,
Speaker 1: and the teacher told him that he had to be
Speaker 1: a carpenter, like black people didn't become attorneys. And I
Speaker 1: think that was driving with growing up in New York
Speaker 1: at the time that I was growing up, which was
Speaker 1: in the seventies and the eighties, and wondering why my
Speaker 1: neighborhood looked like that, Like I had the feeling as
Speaker 1: a young kid, I didn't know why that something had
Speaker 1: happened that was really bad and it was beyond our control.
Speaker 1: So that resonated with me. You know, Malcolm X wanted
Speaker 1: to be an attorney, that must be something serious and uh,
Speaker 1: and that was the start. So then when I got
Speaker 1: to law school, Um, I always was good. I think
Speaker 1: I had good trial skills really early. And James Cohen,
Speaker 1: who was my professor, a great lawyer, had told me,
Speaker 1: with my skill set, I should challenge myself and although
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a defense attorney, I should go
Speaker 1: to a rigid environment where I had to train myself.
Speaker 1: And he was the person that first suggested I go
Speaker 1: to the district Attorney's office. Um, and I I went
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn. It was Brooklyn or Manhattan. I went to
Speaker 1: Brooklyn because Brooklyn had more crime, you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: from and it was you know, it's such a diversified borough,
Speaker 1: you know, two million people, all kinds of things going on.
Speaker 1: So I was like, let me go to the district
Speaker 1: Attorney's office really to be the spook by the door
Speaker 1: and get the information. And then when it was my
Speaker 1: time to leave, leave, Can you explain the Spook by
Speaker 1: the door Because I people asked me about here's a
Speaker 1: great book and film by Sam Greenley called The Spook
Speaker 1: Who Sat by the Door. You could actually see the
Speaker 1: film and its entirety I think if you if you
Speaker 1: google it, and it basically is a story of how
Speaker 1: this one agent, black agent became an agent for the government,
Speaker 1: but his real it was to overthrow the government. And
Speaker 1: it's a little the book is even deeper than that,
Speaker 1: but it's a great film. And I went there and
Speaker 1: I knew that I wasn't better than anyone, but no
Speaker 1: one was better than me. But I also knew that
Speaker 1: I brought a skill set that most of my colleagues didn't.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Brownsville, I grew up in Crown Heights.
Speaker 1: I know what it's like to be in those situations.
Speaker 1: I know what it's like to assess the case in
Speaker 1: the manner that my colleagues didn't. To a lot of
Speaker 1: my colleagues, even some of the some of them of color,
Speaker 1: it was almost like they were going to the zoo.
Speaker 1: You know. It's these gangs, these bad black guys, Hispanic guys,
Speaker 1: and you can see it. You said earlier that you
Speaker 1: looked at your neighborhood and you could tell that something
Speaker 1: had happened that made your neighborhood like that. But what
Speaker 1: did you mean by that, because you know, growing up,
Speaker 1: you know, at the time I grew up, it was
Speaker 1: these vacant lots, buildings. I'm like, how did this happen.
Speaker 1: It was almost like a bomb had went off in
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. I go to school in the morning, Um,
Speaker 1: the people addicted to heroin or slouching. At eight in
Speaker 1: the morning, I come out for lunch. They still live,
Speaker 1: they just a little bit lower. I come out after school,
Speaker 1: they're there. They head is almost touching it, Like this
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense because my teachers are coming to school
Speaker 1: from Long Island, beautiful teachers I had. Actually they weren't
Speaker 1: trying to save the natives. They were uh, these these
Speaker 1: young Jewish women at the time, who I think they
Speaker 1: understood what happened as well. But I know when I
Speaker 1: watched different strokes, Mr Drummond crib didn't look like that, right, right, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, what happened? And then you know, so
Speaker 1: you know, my life's journey helped inform me of what happened.
Speaker 1: But I went to the d A's office so that
Speaker 1: I can be the best trial attorney on the defense
Speaker 1: side and the civil rights side. I can be that, definitely,
Speaker 1: And it was challenging though. I remember me and Mike Choi,
Speaker 1: one of my good friends, had had to approach the
Speaker 1: bench and this old school judge He literally doesn't look up.
Speaker 1: He just says no, defendants aren't allowed at the bench.
Speaker 1: And Troy was he just turned beat red. He didn't apologize,
Speaker 1: he didn't he kept it moving. And isn't that similar.
Speaker 1: I told a microaggression story similar about a white woman
Speaker 1: saying to me when I was with my son, or
Speaker 1: it must be your day because I was in the
Speaker 1: park with mine with with jackson, and it must be
Speaker 1: your day to be with your son and if and
Speaker 1: I had to explain her, no, I'm married, I have kids,
Speaker 1: And she didn't apost. She was just like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because he wasn't in here to hear that story. But
Speaker 1: it's almost exactly the center, you know. And and and
Speaker 1: for me it was challenging because I had to and
Speaker 1: I ultimately left because I had got what I wanted
Speaker 1: or I needed information time the information, and um, you know,
Speaker 1: it was a good experience. I understood what happens politically,
Speaker 1: I understand why this system is the way it is.
Speaker 1: And it also helped me to develop a skill set
Speaker 1: that to this day. Um, I can do something for
Speaker 1: my clients and I can give information to my community.
Speaker 1: You see, That's that's the key, and that's something I
Speaker 1: always talk about with my kids. Right, if you're playing chess,
Speaker 1: if you're playing football, anything, the first thing you have
Speaker 1: to do is understand your opponent. If you're the oppressed,
Speaker 1: you can't defend yourself if you do not know you're oppressing.
Speaker 1: You have to understand the mindset of the oppressor in
Speaker 1: order to release yourself from oppression. So many of us
Speaker 1: don't even think no, and it's it's difficult for us
Speaker 1: because I think for us, many of us and this
Speaker 1: this crosses um. You know, first of all, the dominant
Speaker 1: thing about European history in Western culture history and particularly
Speaker 1: it's centered on white supremacy, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: get upset about that, but that's what it's centered. And
Speaker 1: to continue that system there has to be a d
Speaker 1: programming of indigenous people, African people. So for instance, in America,
Speaker 1: you know you are likely to you lose if you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be successful, you're likely to lose your connection
Speaker 1: to your African heritage. So if you don't know African heritage,
Speaker 1: you don't see the value in learning anyone's heritage. And
Speaker 1: I think our children feel that. ANDREWS. Hudey Junior High School.
Speaker 1: I went to honey. All of my teachers were Jewish,
Speaker 1: and there was a point during African American History Month
Speaker 1: where we were still doing ann Frank my mom. Now,
Speaker 1: my family is from the country, South Carolina. They grew
Speaker 1: up fighting, they marched. My mom was the first class
Speaker 1: in Madison to be integrated in the seventies. So my
Speaker 1: mom heard about She was on the projects all the
Speaker 1: way to Madison and they had to run out of
Speaker 1: they couldn't heard the bus. They had to run out
Speaker 1: every single day. She was in high school for the
Speaker 1: first two years. So when it comes to educating and
Speaker 1: she was like, you need to know about black history.
Speaker 1: So it's now it's like the middle of February and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I understand, you know, the Holocaust is important,
Speaker 1: but it's Black History Month. Lady blacked on me, how
Speaker 1: dare you the Hollo that was the biggest atrocity that
Speaker 1: ever happened. Kicked me out of class and called my mom.
Speaker 1: So I was like, Yo, if you would have called
Speaker 1: my mom on this situation, go ahead. My mother came
Speaker 1: there and let everybody in that school have it. And
Speaker 1: the sad part is though we did, we did Black
Speaker 1: history for the next two weeks. We did Martin Luther King,
Speaker 1: we did, we did. He definitely did Peanut and in
Speaker 1: the middle it was March first. That was back to
Speaker 1: the Holocaust. And what I'm saying is is that if
Speaker 1: I didn't have my parents to teach me about those things,
Speaker 1: who was going to teach me about black history? Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because my parents, like your parents, migrated
Speaker 1: from the South, um, but they were of My dad
Speaker 1: migrated from deep South Alabama. Like literally he had family
Speaker 1: members killed by the police, hung on crosses, um like,
Speaker 1: very like, and it had broken him. Uh. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: his life was basically he was broken. But my mother
Speaker 1: is like, yo, she said, be smart, and I bet
Speaker 1: you they can't do anything. A lot of people don't
Speaker 1: understand that when they say that, realistically, one black person
Speaker 1: cannot change anything. You can go up there and fight,
Speaker 1: or you're not gonna change anything. You have to be smart.
Speaker 1: We don't have an ideology, and that it's very frustrating
Speaker 1: to me. You know, I represent people on death row
Speaker 1: and charged with federal capital murder um. And and also
Speaker 1: you know I've represented people in the entertainment stuff and business.
Speaker 1: You know, black people have been exceptional since we got here. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Can you give us some examples of cases that you
Speaker 1: worked on where there were clear cases of social injustice
Speaker 1: where you've seen blatant discrimination with black and brown men. Absolutely. Um.
Speaker 1: There was a recent case that everyone seems to be
Speaker 1: interested in of the Bronx one. It was a hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty individuals taken out of Eastchester Gardens projects in
Speaker 1: the Bronx and charged federally with crimes. I represented one
Speaker 1: of the individuals in that case I heard about who
Speaker 1: got time served. That case was a clear overreaching of
Speaker 1: the federal government to label people as gang members, to
Speaker 1: to just remove them from the community. The majority of
Speaker 1: those cases were not violent, no guns, it was just marijuana.
Speaker 1: Get them out. Absolutely, and we don't understand how the
Speaker 1: policing now is targeted to certain neighborhoods. That's how they
Speaker 1: do policing now. So that was one case. There was
Speaker 1: another case of some years back of a bunch of
Speaker 1: young men in Brownsville were arrested for a rate, an
Speaker 1: alleged rate that was really going in the direction of
Speaker 1: the Scottsboro Boys. And it turns out that this was
Speaker 1: on the Ken Thompson's administration. Uh, it turns out that
Speaker 1: it was absolutely false, and fortunately all those young men
Speaker 1: were released, but they were all put on television, put
Speaker 1: on television their faith. It was a lot of them
Speaker 1: because people were comparing it to the Central Park five
Speaker 1: and and in the old case called the Scottsboro Boys,
Speaker 1: that was a case one of my clients was involved in.
Speaker 1: How do you keep the energy too? Because that's draining.
Speaker 1: I call you and you you just sound out of
Speaker 1: it and you like your I just got in my
Speaker 1: mind in case right now? How do you find the
Speaker 1: energy to continue to fight? Um? You know what? Because
Speaker 1: I think if this system is the system that they
Speaker 1: they say it's supposed to be, then the presumption of
Speaker 1: innocence should should count for everyone. And in my experience,
Speaker 1: the presumption of innocence doesn't count for everyone, particularly in
Speaker 1: federal court. So my job, the most revolutionary act that
Speaker 1: I can do, is to stand up for those people
Speaker 1: who that presumption is not supposed to work for them.
Speaker 1: So my thing is, when you're in your current role
Speaker 1: as a defense attorney, the system is so set up,
Speaker 1: like you said, for us to fail, how do you
Speaker 1: tell how do you educate young people to exists realistically
Speaker 1: in the day to day where the system is set
Speaker 1: up for us to fail and get caught up in
Speaker 1: the system. That's a that's a great and and something
Speaker 1: I want I want to be clear on. I'm not
Speaker 1: you know, because people say, oh, he's just a defense
Speaker 1: attorney talking. I'll speak to those who are about math
Speaker 1: and mathematicians. Um, if you put a quarter in a
Speaker 1: video game and you won that in the computer one
Speaker 1: cent of the time, you would be like, Wow, no
Speaker 1: matter how good I get, I'm gonna lose. Think about
Speaker 1: this system that we've created, this legal system. We we
Speaker 1: didn't create it, this legal system in America that that
Speaker 1: exists going to trial on a federal level, of the
Speaker 1: defendants lose. That that has nothing to do with how
Speaker 1: good the prosecutor is, how good the defense attorney is,
Speaker 1: the judge. That's systematic. So you know, one of the
Speaker 1: things that I have to do is, Um, I realized
Speaker 1: that no matter how good I am, I'm just putting
Speaker 1: a band aid on a gunshot wound. The things that
Speaker 1: I have to do have to some have to exist
Speaker 1: outside out of that courtroom because because once it gets
Speaker 1: to that courtroom, right and you know, some of the
Speaker 1: cases that I had, and once it gets there, you know,
Speaker 1: I may get you out this time. But the stigma
Speaker 1: that's attached what it does, it does after spetical social
Speaker 1: media forget about it. So my goal is to put
Speaker 1: myself out of business and to put all of these
Speaker 1: prosecutors out of business. And the way that that has
Speaker 1: to be done is we have to start going into
Speaker 1: our communities. So it's not going to happen in court.
Speaker 1: It's not the legal system. These lifetime appointment federal judges
Speaker 1: and these political hack judges on the state level, they
Speaker 1: make sure that system stays in absolutely. So as a parent,
Speaker 1: you know, we have a lot of parents who are like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you help me parent through this? How do we
Speaker 1: help those parents who has a young young man a
Speaker 1: young woman at home? And say, okay, if you want
Speaker 1: to avoid these pitfalls, this is what you do when
Speaker 1: leaving the how? This is what you do one approached
Speaker 1: by a police officer, an authoritative figure. How? Because because
Speaker 1: I got it's a two part question. The first part
Speaker 1: is that part, you know, what do we tell parents
Speaker 1: on how to how to educate their kids if they
Speaker 1: if they're in public school? So some some parents can't
Speaker 1: home school as tell as they work. How do we
Speaker 1: educate our kids? You know, you know the parents. You know,
Speaker 1: it's unfair a lot of times, because I think back
Speaker 1: to my childhood. My mom was working her butt off
Speaker 1: dealing with my pops and his brokenness. She didn't have
Speaker 1: a lot of time for my nonsense, as bright as
Speaker 1: she was, so unfortunately, sometimes you know, these kids are
Speaker 1: brought into a situation in the world that they didn't
Speaker 1: actually ask for. So how do you do that? I
Speaker 1: think there has to be an awareness in the community
Speaker 1: where we have to stop being afraid to talk to
Speaker 1: one another and knock on the neighbor's door, or you
Speaker 1: see a kid doing something off and you keep your
Speaker 1: mouth shut like it now, I couldn't walk out in
Speaker 1: the streets back in the day without some somebody saying something.
Speaker 1: How dare you? You know? I got into so many
Speaker 1: fights growing up because my mother was one of My
Speaker 1: mother was Miss Barbro in the neighborhood, and you know,
Speaker 1: my mom was a trouble like she just any kid
Speaker 1: doing something, she has something to say. So when I
Speaker 1: come outside, the kids is like, your mom, won't you
Speaker 1: tell your mother? Mona business? So I'm fighting I'm getting,
Speaker 1: I'm getting I'm getting to fight protecting her, and then
Speaker 1: I get a beating for fighting in the street. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a mess. But but we don't have that.
Speaker 1: We don't have that. We don't have a village. Everyone's
Speaker 1: mining their business, you know, kids that don't want to
Speaker 1: be listening. You can't go to Upper East Side and
Speaker 1: start pulling young white males out of their car or
Speaker 1: stopping them on their skateboard and out of all and
Speaker 1: coke or heroin, all those drugs that they do. You
Speaker 1: can't do that because you know what will happened you
Speaker 1: do that, You make that a pattern. Then that local congressman,
Speaker 1: that local police department, that community meeting, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: problems our community. We don't have that synergy, and somehow
Speaker 1: there has to that synergy has to be created. That
Speaker 1: that to me, is because there's no one being held accountable.
Speaker 1: That to me is part of the issue. You know,
Speaker 1: you never want to blame the oppressed for being oppressed,
Speaker 1: but I feel like at some point we lost our weight.
Speaker 1: You look at the civil rights movement and we watched together,
Speaker 1: we joined the spectacle. And the fact is my grandmother
Speaker 1: just there all the time. The worst thing that ever
Speaker 1: happened in niggas is they gave and because because integration
Speaker 1: was it was you know, people always talk out Brown v.
Speaker 1: Board of Education. Your Brown v. Board of Education was
Speaker 1: a very bad decision in my opinion for black people
Speaker 1: because because because kids was really deadly about it that
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't get to talk about. White
Speaker 1: people had to accept, Oh, you're gonna alright, my kid
Speaker 1: is gonna have to sit next to your kid. Alright,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna harass them, We're gonna throw stuff on them,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. What they weren't willing to do. They
Speaker 1: weren't willing to have their children taught by black teachers.
Speaker 1: So pre Brown v. Board of Education, it was probably
Speaker 1: about eighty two hundred thousand black teachers. Once that decision
Speaker 1: came down, those black teachers were cutting and they lost
Speaker 1: their jobs. So and that was imagine, imagine three or
Speaker 1: four generations of teaching our own children. Imagine three or
Speaker 1: four generations of what Malcolm and and self Determination and
Speaker 1: the Panthers were talking. So that had to be you know,
Speaker 1: America had to get rid of anything that even appeared
Speaker 1: to be black and nationalistic and we're seeing what we
Speaker 1: live every day is the result of having lost the war.
Speaker 1: Because you think about now, when things do go wrong
Speaker 1: in the social media era, everything is just like a hashtag.
Speaker 1: Everyone's so upset. You're so upset at the moment, and
Speaker 1: then what happens after that next the other day, I
Speaker 1: was a good friend of mine just got an acquittal.
Speaker 1: And we always laugh because you know, there's something you
Speaker 1: don't never hear me talking about in a quiddo. I got,
Speaker 1: It's that's easy. I'll talk about the losses. I'll talk
Speaker 1: about those other challenging things because it's nothing to be learned. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not here to self promote. I really just want
Speaker 1: to be a vessel for change and and and putting
Speaker 1: in my work to change this narrative. To be honest
Speaker 1: with you, so, I mean, I know we was short
Speaker 1: on time, but I really want you to talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about what you're doing to help changing that.
Speaker 1: Talk about Brooklyn, all right, we got we have Brooklyn Combine,
Speaker 1: which is a group of us who came together. Um too.
Speaker 1: We recognize the social, political, economic, and academic alienation in
Speaker 1: our communities because we all came from different ones. And
Speaker 1: we are designers, lawyers, creatives who have come together to
Speaker 1: mentor and provide curriculum and into underprivileged neighborhoods like Brownsville
Speaker 1: where we're from, you know. And also we have programs.
Speaker 1: We send children in our Brooklyn to Alaska program. We
Speaker 1: send young men from Brooklyn to Alaskas and a half
Speaker 1: wings to learn to land. Uh. You know. Just we're
Speaker 1: doing as much as we can to um create critical thinkers,
Speaker 1: the next generation of critical thinkers. You know, I applaud you.
Speaker 1: There's one thing that I've I've learned following you for
Speaker 1: the past I think it's been eight nine years. You
Speaker 1: don't play the blame game. You never sit back and say, oh,
Speaker 1: it's white people's fault. He's like, what can we do that? Change? Listen,
Speaker 1: I'll call our history. I'm in these federal courts every day.
Speaker 1: I sit on these judiciary screening committees where I interviewed
Speaker 1: the judges. I sit on these death penalty groups. I
Speaker 1: see what's going on, they see what's going on. Right,
Speaker 1: the best thing we could do for ourselves is to
Speaker 1: educate ourselves and to stick together and innovate and create
Speaker 1: something else. You know, Ken Man, thank you. This is
Speaker 1: the first time we're literally chipping away at so many
Speaker 1: different topics that we want to cover on the podcast.
Speaker 1: But with the current climate in our society, local, you know, national,
Speaker 1: we just felt it necessary to come into touch on
Speaker 1: it and introduce everyone to you to know that we
Speaker 1: do have people who are on the front lines and
Speaker 1: the back lines every day. You can find me in
Speaker 1: in all five boroughs in Federal State all the time.
Speaker 1: But but my um my Instagram kJ M p LLC
Speaker 1: and my Twitter I think is e s Q Montgomery
Speaker 1: alright and if not google them. Thank you guys just
Speaker 1: means a lot to me. So what we're hoping is
Speaker 1: that after this conversation today, or these conversations that we've
Speaker 1: had with Jamila and Kenneth, that it now opens dialogue
Speaker 1: and conversations between you and your friends. So whether it's
Speaker 1: in your group, chat with your family over dinner, we
Speaker 1: can now create a forum for you all to now
Speaker 1: talk about these things that are happening within our communities
Speaker 1: or within your lives, talk about experiences that you may
Speaker 1: have had different microaggressions and how it's made you feel.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest takeaway here is to make sure
Speaker 1: that we're talking about it, and also arming yourself with
Speaker 1: the education needed to defend yourself. You know, we're all
Speaker 1: trying to exist in America while black, so make sure
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Speaker 1: hear from you all. So far getting some good feedback.
Speaker 1: So this first one that jumped out at me for today,
Speaker 1: I'll read a little bit for you. It says I
Speaker 1: was told that I should get married before I have kids,
Speaker 1: but things turned out the other way. My husband and
Speaker 1: I had a baby before we got married. Our daughter
Speaker 1: just turned a year this month. We got married on
Speaker 1: September four. Sorry, we got married on February fourth, two nine.
Speaker 1: And it's been a challenge because my mother in law
Speaker 1: lives with us. Oh my goodness, my mother in law
Speaker 1: and I have not known each other that long. So
Speaker 1: we just need to figure out a way to communicate
Speaker 1: better and not step on each other's toes. Impossible, but
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want me and her
Speaker 1: to keep having these issues because it can put a
Speaker 1: strain on my husband and relationship. Just needs some advice, please, yo,
Speaker 1: this is dead aspects I'm about to give you right now.
Speaker 1: So both of our moms are very involved in our lives.
Speaker 1: Right my mom has involved. Her mom is involved, but
Speaker 1: we've noticed a difference in the involvement, Like my mom
Speaker 1: is nowhere near as involved at my house as her mom. Is.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons why my mom said to me
Speaker 1: she didn't want to be involved is because she didn't
Speaker 1: want to be known as the meddling mother in law.
Speaker 1: And I understand it. I understand it. You don't want
Speaker 1: to be overbearing. When you're a mother in law and
Speaker 1: you're in your daughter in law's house, you don't really
Speaker 1: have that relationship. Whereas mem Kay's mom, that's her daughter,
Speaker 1: that's that's her mom, Like they have that relationship. So
Speaker 1: it's a little bit different. I'm gonna I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: honest and say, I don't see how that's gonna work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what your current situation is and the
Speaker 1: reason why your mother in law is living with you.
Speaker 1: I would like to know that, Um, why is it?
Speaker 1: Is it because she's helping with the baby or is
Speaker 1: it because financially it makes sense for you guys right now? Like,
Speaker 1: what are the reasons why she's living with you all?
Speaker 1: And I mean, honestly, my mother has also said to me,
Speaker 1: and she's even said this to me as her daughter
Speaker 1: in the house as I was getting older and trying
Speaker 1: to like assert my you know, independence, and I would
Speaker 1: you know, say something a little sly or maybe in
Speaker 1: the tadbit she would take his disrespect. She would then
Speaker 1: look at me and be like, two women can't live
Speaker 1: in the same house. So that being said, sis, because
Speaker 1: you and your mother get it. I mean we do,
Speaker 1: because sometimes too, she'll come in, you know, ever so passive, aggressively,
Speaker 1: and you know, talk about the state of my house
Speaker 1: and the condition of it, you know, and mom, I'm
Speaker 1: like your mom, like I got three boys and a husband,
Speaker 1: like I'm the only woman in the household, Like you
Speaker 1: should understand my apply and give me a break and
Speaker 1: just come here and not say anything. And and you know,
Speaker 1: she'll always say it comes from a good place, canean.
Speaker 1: But sometimes you don't want to hear that. So imagine
Speaker 1: not wanting to hear that from your mom taking it
Speaker 1: a step further to trying to hear stuff from your
Speaker 1: mother in law. So that's gonna be tough. But I
Speaker 1: do think it's up to your husband. Don't put that
Speaker 1: on him, No, don't don't put it has to be
Speaker 1: a thing where you know, you have to also have
Speaker 1: the communication with your husband and if you feel uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with the way things are moving in your household. You
Speaker 1: should not have to tiptoe around, and you should be
Speaker 1: able to speak with him, and that way he can
Speaker 1: then in turns maybe speak to his mother, you know,
Speaker 1: and then three have to come together and speak about it.
Speaker 1: You don't think that's that's necessary. I have to know
Speaker 1: first of all. I have to know why she's living there,
Speaker 1: for example. And the reason why I say that is
Speaker 1: because we don't. We don't know if it's a must think,
Speaker 1: if it's a health issue for her, if they need
Speaker 1: the help. We don't understand. It's hard to give her advice. Yea,
Speaker 1: we don't. I need a little bit more context. But
Speaker 1: I will say this though, right, being a man in
Speaker 1: the house and the women in my in my mindset,
Speaker 1: it's a woman's house, y'all, handle you know when she
Speaker 1: k creates the funct she makes like, there's certain things
Speaker 1: I don't want to argue and debate about. I just
Speaker 1: want to exist. I want to get my sandwiches when
Speaker 1: I need my sandwiches. I might want to drink here there.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I let you do her thing and
Speaker 1: she can rock. Right, anytime you have a man in
Speaker 1: the middle trying to control two women in one house.
Speaker 1: It's never gonna works of all, are not going to
Speaker 1: control any women anyhow, Well, first of all, you don't
Speaker 1: want us she he needs to interject interjected injection is
Speaker 1: not a matter of control. You can be yes, why
Speaker 1: I said he can't get involved? Can I se go ahead? Baby?
Speaker 1: It's not a matter of controlling the situation. It's about
Speaker 1: him now being able to somewhat mediate or engage his
Speaker 1: mother and his wife, whether it be separately or together.
Speaker 1: Because control control and tell them what to do. You
Speaker 1: put in a hunted on ten. I didn't say tell
Speaker 1: them what to do. I said control the situation. If
Speaker 1: the situation is getting out of control, to mediate the situation,
Speaker 1: then whatever words you want to use, say, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to argue about semantics of words. It's this is
Speaker 1: why he can't get involved. They're two adults. There are
Speaker 1: two adults. They need to is their house or the
Speaker 1: first thing? This is the funny thing. The first thing
Speaker 1: I said was that it was the women's house. Okay,
Speaker 1: I agree, But you want to argue me about the
Speaker 1: word control When I manically said it's your house, I
Speaker 1: understand that, but it's the way you formulated the thing
Speaker 1: it's like, it's not going to You're not going to
Speaker 1: control the two women. It's just an I didn't say
Speaker 1: he was going to control the women. I said control
Speaker 1: the situation first and foremost. How is he going to win?
Speaker 1: He can't tell his mom what and he can't tell
Speaker 1: his wife. It's not a matter of winning, though, But
Speaker 1: when we talk about transparency and communication that people should
Speaker 1: have within a relationship, whether it's a marriage or it's
Speaker 1: a parent child relationship, I think it is up to
Speaker 1: him to be the one to create the dialogue. Because
Speaker 1: she said they have not known each other that long.
Speaker 1: He knows his mother longer than he's known anybody. Understand
Speaker 1: that baby knows ways to communicate with his mom that
Speaker 1: can be effective. But that transparency has to come from
Speaker 1: the two women. He can't always be in the middle
Speaker 1: saying listen, listen, they're two grown, adult women. I agree
Speaker 1: they have to be able to be adult enough. I
Speaker 1: agree with get involved, because I'm telling you right now
Speaker 1: he cannot. And I'm telling you as a as a
Speaker 1: man like you, you always say to me, don't man
Speaker 1: splain right, don't woman splain? I cannot tell my wife
Speaker 1: how to feel about my mom. And I cannot tell
Speaker 1: my mom how to feel about my wife. I agree
Speaker 1: with that, y'all would have to get I would understand
Speaker 1: that I would have to step back and say, listen,
Speaker 1: I love y'all both. Y'all gonna have to learn you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with this if this is the situation.
Speaker 1: And that's part of the thing that bothers me because
Speaker 1: we don't even know why she's living in you see
Speaker 1: my eyes closed. I agree with what you're saying. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, since she's concerned about the strain on her
Speaker 1: marriage with her husband, and she has not known her
Speaker 1: mother in law that long, I think the husband should
Speaker 1: be the one if he knows that it's a concern
Speaker 1: for his wife to say, hey, maybe we should sit
Speaker 1: down and have this conversation. So let me let me
Speaker 1: tell you how this goes. Because you're not a husband
Speaker 1: your wife. Husband goes to mom and says, my wife
Speaker 1: feels the first thing the mom was probably gonna do
Speaker 1: is get defensive. I'm telling you, I'm telling you as
Speaker 1: a son to a mom. If I go, listen, mom,
Speaker 1: my wife feels like then it's automatically even have to
Speaker 1: be posed that way. It could just be like, hey,
Speaker 1: we the three of us have to coexist within this space.
Speaker 1: How about we sit down and get to know each
Speaker 1: other a little bit better and we can then open
Speaker 1: up conversation. Just to make it comfortable for them, let
Speaker 1: me ask a question. It's not about running to mom
Speaker 1: and being like my wife said x y Z or
Speaker 1: want to and my mom said x y Z said
Speaker 1: that he should listen. This is all I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: feel like if my wife and I we chose to
Speaker 1: be together, I would feel like, you know what, my
Speaker 1: wife can approach my mom in a way that's respectful,
Speaker 1: and if they're going to build a relationship, I'm going
Speaker 1: to allow them to build a relationship. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I would need to mediate because I trust this
Speaker 1: woman who was my wife. I know my mom. I'm
Speaker 1: letting them is two grown adult women. I just know
Speaker 1: that from being a husband and speaking to other husbands
Speaker 1: that have issues with mother in laws and wives. When
Speaker 1: he whenever the fathers get involved with the husbands get involved,
Speaker 1: always gets worse. It always gets worse. I guess you're
Speaker 1: speaking from some experience that I don't know. I was
Speaker 1: just saying, I mean, you know, some of the situations
Speaker 1: about mother in laws and wives and how it's always
Speaker 1: like whenever he get involved, it is he's taking her
Speaker 1: side and he's taking this. So yeah, and I don't
Speaker 1: think it has to be a side being taken thing either.
Speaker 1: I think people you should be able to just have
Speaker 1: a conversation and say, this is what it is, this
Speaker 1: is how I feel, and how do we plan to
Speaker 1: move forward and co exist in this space. But again,
Speaker 1: we don't know why they're together in the space that
Speaker 1: they're in. We don't know why. You know, the mom
Speaker 1: is living there. So it's tough. It's tough. But being
Speaker 1: a woman and knowing what it's like to have a
Speaker 1: mother in law, you know, there's a way that the
Speaker 1: mother in law. Yes, like your mom is very detached
Speaker 1: from us because she doesn't she's fearful in the middle
Speaker 1: metal and she's been the opposite of that. And then
Speaker 1: you live with my mom who is now in the house,
Speaker 1: you know, doing her thing when she comes over. But
Speaker 1: it's different for a daughter with her mother in the house. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So and you would normally address your mom with situations
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm not I'm not gonna address you.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna dress your mom, you know, like that's
Speaker 1: that's normally what you'll do. But we do have conversations.
Speaker 1: You have an open line of communication with my mom,
Speaker 1: and if I feel like you feel a way about something,
Speaker 1: I feel comfortable enough to talk to my mom about
Speaker 1: it as well too. So I think that comes with time. Though.
Speaker 1: Think about how long we've been together together, seventeen years,
Speaker 1: Like she said, you know, they literally don't know. Yeah, yeah, sorry, sis, sorry,
Speaker 1: we had more information. Maybe if we got more information,
Speaker 1: we could know how to to better give you our
Speaker 1: take on it. Um, all right, they go to the
Speaker 1: next one. I've been married for almost a year and
Speaker 1: I love my husband. I'm sure who are married, and
Speaker 1: I'm confident we will make it through anything. The issue
Speaker 1: is sex. Although I find my husband attractive, he is
Speaker 1: not someone who likes working out, and he is about
Speaker 1: two inches shorter than me. He's also not into being
Speaker 1: super romantic or any of that stuff. How do I
Speaker 1: navigate the sexual space when there are a few things
Speaker 1: that act as block aides M Do I force myself
Speaker 1: to have sex? Do I keep telling him to be
Speaker 1: healthy and romantic? Do I just let it go and
Speaker 1: we have sex every now and then help you can
Speaker 1: speak on that baby is you feel like you never
Speaker 1: get it enough for me, so go ahead and tells
Speaker 1: us what to do, all right? So this is I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: the facts are the facts. This is yeah, the facts
Speaker 1: are the facts because I know, I know how it
Speaker 1: feels want to have to force yourself to be in
Speaker 1: the mood to have sex, and that ship is wacked.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and the ship is wat to have someone
Speaker 1: have to be forced to have sex with you and
Speaker 1: is wack. Right, So it's back on every level, back
Speaker 1: on every street. The funny thing is that she said
Speaker 1: that's very different is that she says she's not attractive
Speaker 1: attracted to her husband. He doesn't like to work. But
Speaker 1: she said, although I find my husband attractive, he's not
Speaker 1: someone who likes working out. So I think she she
Speaker 1: that was oxy more ron right there, although because you
Speaker 1: felt like you had to say it, but clearly, if
Speaker 1: you're saying that he doesn't work out, then you're not
Speaker 1: attracted to him in this moment. And it's two inches
Speaker 1: shorter than you. So when you can wear heels, like,
Speaker 1: how does that work? Do you wear heels or do
Speaker 1: you wear flats? See, But that's why I think the
Speaker 1: situation a little bit different than ours. But with the
Speaker 1: sex situation, I'm very open about codeem with what I
Speaker 1: need and what I want. So I would tell you
Speaker 1: if that's your husband, he's supposed to be responsible for
Speaker 1: handling all of your sexual needs as your husband. So
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to say to him, Bro, we're in
Speaker 1: this together for life, life. So if you want to
Speaker 1: be in this together for life, I'm gonna need you
Speaker 1: to pick up the slack on these things. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: need you to work on this, you know. And that's
Speaker 1: just me. I I'm all about candor, I'm all about
Speaker 1: honesty and upfront. Ye are, so tell them you sure do?
Speaker 1: So get some lifts alright where Tim's more often, but
Speaker 1: she says she two inches on him, So he gets
Speaker 1: the double Soul team. Put a lift in there. Now
Speaker 1: that's a good three inches. Now he toiling in her
Speaker 1: and she could be in the bedroom exactly and flops.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He worked out a little bit,
Speaker 1: because listen, if you told me as my as my wife,
Speaker 1: if you told me, like babe, I really want you
Speaker 1: to work out, I'd be in the gym every day
Speaker 1: because I've wants to have you maybe tried to you said,
Speaker 1: do I keep telling him he needs to be healthy,
Speaker 1: But are you helping to ensure that he's healthy? Are
Speaker 1: you working out with him? If y'all are in this together,
Speaker 1: let's see, are you helping him to make those healthy choices?
Speaker 1: And you know, doing workouts together so that way you
Speaker 1: can work out in the bed together, like getting at it,
Speaker 1: getting at it um and then yeah, you know, romance
Speaker 1: and spark, that's something that I think every woman wants.
Speaker 1: You know he's lacking there, right, you gotta tell him
Speaker 1: be romantic. If if he wants to have sex more often,
Speaker 1: he should put the energy into being more romantic. If
Speaker 1: that's what. If he wants more sex, he should try
Speaker 1: to be more romantic. And if you still don't want
Speaker 1: to have sex after him trying to be romantic, you
Speaker 1: have to be honest with him that you know, this
Speaker 1: is not really what I want to do, and then
Speaker 1: you're gonna you guys have to make some tough decisions.
Speaker 1: Becaudana and I have been there. You know, I work
Speaker 1: out all the time. I'm tolding her I try to
Speaker 1: be romantic, and sometimes she still don't want to have sex,
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, yo, what is wrong with you? Bro?
Speaker 1: And she's just like, I don't, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: we we do have three kids and niggas be tired,
Speaker 1: you know. And there was a point where she talked
Speaker 1: about how she was she wasn't comfortable within her body.
Speaker 1: Hormones is like a roller coaster, so there's times how
Speaker 1: it is. But your last question said, do I just
Speaker 1: let it go and we have sex every now and
Speaker 1: get no, don't let it go. You can't give up
Speaker 1: if you're married. There's no letting anything go. I'm going
Speaker 1: to do not let it go. Insight right here, listen
Speaker 1: to this inside. Your man knows when you're having sex
Speaker 1: and don't really want to have sex, and the ship
Speaker 1: is whack. We know, I know for a fact when
Speaker 1: Code is like, all right, let's just have sex, even
Speaker 1: when she tries to act like she's in the mood
Speaker 1: and I was like, you really wasn't in the mood,
Speaker 1: and she'd be like no, no, not necessary at this point,
Speaker 1: So you can get this screw face out of here. Man,
Speaker 1: be happy and happy. Sometimes you're gonna take that booty
Speaker 1: just like that too. Sometimes you're just gonna be like,
Speaker 1: you know, don't make the best of it. Fine, but
Speaker 1: you better come back a little role play and be like,
Speaker 1: yeah sometimes you know, you know, she act mad or whatever,
Speaker 1: but just talk to each other. Yeah, you have to.
Speaker 1: You haven't do it for you, do it for your marriage.
Speaker 1: You know, we're suckers for love and people being happy
Speaker 1: though authentically, and I think you need to have the
Speaker 1: conversation and know those conversations an't easy. They're not easy
Speaker 1: in our house, so it's not gonna be easy. I
Speaker 1: don't want you to think that we sit there and
Speaker 1: laugh about these conversations. No, these conversations be real in
Speaker 1: our house, and they often last about three or four days. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean we've gotten better, We've been able to like
Speaker 1: cap discussions and go forward, but working on it every
Speaker 1: day is a work in progress for us. All good luck, baby.
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Speaker 1: All right, So that wraps up our listener letters for
Speaker 1: this week. Those are two nice, little juicy topic to
Speaker 1: talk about. UM, so about tell me, this was a
Speaker 1: very loaded, heavy episode. Um what was your moment of
Speaker 1: truth or your takeaway from this? My moment of truth
Speaker 1: is is very simple, is that it's difficult to be
Speaker 1: black in America. People have to stop acting like it's not.
Speaker 1: People have to stop acting as if it's gone, you know,
Speaker 1: like we hear all of these excuses of all get
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Speaker 1: through a lot on the day to day being black
Speaker 1: in America, and it's okay to admit that sometimes you
Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable being black. Here that's my moment of truth. Also,
Speaker 1: I want people to know that you don't have to
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Speaker 1: Because our children shouldn't have to exist the same way
Speaker 1: we exist today, and the only way we can change
Speaker 1: that is to educating ourselves and giving them the education
Speaker 1: they need to be better. That kind of ties into
Speaker 1: that's joke, that ties into I guess my my moment
Speaker 1: of truth or my takeaway from this, UM. I think
Speaker 1: in talking to both of our guests today, UM, one
Speaker 1: thing that I love is that they both are using
Speaker 1: their platforms to be able to speak to the masses,
Speaker 1: to be able to educate people, to speak about their
Speaker 1: real life experiences, and how they are now using their
Speaker 1: platforms and their their arenas to reach people. You know
Speaker 1: Kenneth who is with UM. You know his program that's
Speaker 1: reaching out to kids the Brooklyn Combine, who are showing UM,
Speaker 1: black and brown men different parts of life that's outside
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Speaker 1: I missed that part, So that's amazing. UM. Just showing
Speaker 1: them life outside of their the confines of their immediate
Speaker 1: community is so important. UM. And you know, just making
Speaker 1: sure that we're we're researching and educating ourselves, even just
Speaker 1: about the women's rights segment that we spoke about, and
Speaker 1: how us as women need to take UM as much
Speaker 1: control as we can over our bodies and over our
Speaker 1: maternal rights for health care and and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: So UM, thank you so much again to our two
Speaker 1: guests who really gave us a lot of insight about
Speaker 1: both topics and UM, I think as a community we
Speaker 1: can work together and we should be doing more of
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