WEBVTT - KJ Live - Lloyd-Webster 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:10.320 This is kJ Live with Chris john Sallen and Chris 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.680 is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:20.720 entertainment in the Strait. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:24.400 tuned in to k J Long. Today's guests on the show. 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:29.400 Who's the head coach? King Drew Boys Varsity Basketball? They 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:34.479 were CIF City Open Division finalist last year, took a 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.400 tough one of Fairfax almost won the championship. We got 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:42.680 Lloyd Webster in the building, coach. What's good with you? Man? 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.120 All a? Well, Man, I appreciate you for having me 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:49.320 man in a long time coming. Man, you know in 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.760 on here with a l A city legend, man, somebody 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.320 that I have a great deal of respect for it 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.800 and look up too. So and I'm just I'm streaming 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.720 humble today. Well man, I appreciate you, brother for making 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.160 the time. Bro, I've been watching you. We we we 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.679 we reconnected. Uh several years ago. I don't know if 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.600 you remember Man University High School. I think it was 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:16.160 might have been a um, you know, hoop master's situation 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:17.640 up there. I don't I don't know what it was, 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.160 but we had reconnected it. I think my son was 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.679 like a sophomore or junior in high school. But it 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.360 was fun to reconnect with you. I was kind of 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:29.720 there before you had got the King Drew job. Man. 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.200 I was always interested because you always were a basketball dude. Man. 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.399 Your knowledge of the game, your command of the game, 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:38.600 and just you knew everything we were talking about. Man, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.680 you knew about everything that I that I knew about 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.119 I was wondering. Man, just talk a little bit about 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:47.960 your background, your beginnings, you know, the foundation of Lloyd 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:51.440 Webster in this in this hoop game. Yeah, Man, you 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:53.840 know I started out like most guys planning at the 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.880 planning at the park, you know, and a lot of 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.720 older guys you're like, Man, you don't mind thinging, you 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.160 know down there, down low, and you you know, you 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.600 sacrifice the body a lot. You know, you might, you know, 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.160 trying to go play a little higher level, man, trying 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:10.800 for the squad or something. By the time, man, I 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.639 was living in Compton and my grandmother lived in Rental, Diminus. 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.920 But back back then, you know, there was a lot 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:21.280 of invisible lines that would keep you going to a 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.040 secular school. So where she lived that when my mom 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.680 ended up moving to that school, was banning, so we 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:29.639 can only go to banking. But my mom at the 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.640 time was working for the district, so she ended up 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.320 getting me and permitted to It's in Carson High School. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:40.160 So that was when my boys in middle school. Would 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:41.880 you know, they would be like, hey, man, the bees 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.200 and seeds are trying out. You know, let's go see 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.400 if we can get on the bees and see squad 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.640 and you know that we can make that. We know 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:52.919 we can get on the tape before, you know, because 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.640 we were hearing all of this stuff about dudes and Carson. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:57.799 I think at the time they had like Rudy Washington, 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.240 Kyrie stay and lead, you know, eyes up there, so 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.560 you know we'll be hearing about it. Like man, you 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.040 know six and eleven. Back then, I was probably like 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.040 five ten. I wasn't here. I was nowhere near six 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.120 ft yet. So I'm like, man, you know, this dude's 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.360 a giant. Let me make sure I'm ready for that, 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:17.720 you know. But you know, and you know how it 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:19.600 is in there, But guys are gonna pump you up 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.160 the making thinking the next Jordan, and you're like, man, 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.000 you know, so try that out with the bees and 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.600 seas as an eighth grader and coach was like, man, 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:31.720 you don't need to be here, you guys need to 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.520 try out with the j B at varsity. Ended up 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.640 doing that. Uh that was like you know in the 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:43.800 early nineties three and UM made the JV squad And yeah, 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.280 that was my first beginning of playing who you know 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.760 at Carson and then you know, got in some trouble 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:53.720 at Carson. Um I had to you know, got an 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:58.000 o t out fitt stuff in Narbonne recruited to go 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:02.400 to the Mingus Hills by coach you know, yeah getting 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.560 you know what, I was not a classroom guys. I 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.040 not have grades. One of the reasons why I had 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.240 to leave Carson because all I did was playing ditch. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.120 I mean, what what what's going on? But why I 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:18.640 want to know why. There was about five or five 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.080 thousand students of Carson, and I mean like Carson was 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.640 like a mini Balling Hills man or you know, you know, 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.599 like man, you know the influx of over there in 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.120 that area. I mean, I'm gonna tell you, man, some 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:35.520 of the finest of dimes man coming through there. So 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.920 and and let me you know, it's very easily influenced 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.840 at Carson at that particular time. You know, there was 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:46.000 a lot going on. The football was blowing up one 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.560 in the ninety four. That was actually when I had 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:53.120 to transfer out. So you know, I played my my season, 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.440 my JV season there and ended up finishing out playing 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.600 War and Norvine after my transferred. So but still would 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:04.159 still late you know, Chris Song Dorsey and yeah, still 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.839 did all of those things. And you know, there was 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.520 so much talent back there. Man, basketball was so different. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.440 I sell the kids all the time. You had six 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.360 ten centers in high school and I played what I mean, 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:20.680 you had real true position players. The city was kind 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.280 of like how everybody glorifies the Southern Section that was 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:27.600 city basketball, Like everybody had a future pro. Everybody had 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:32.480 a future All American. Yeah, it was that it was loaded, 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:37.239 and so you know, I think like at the time, 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.240 I didn't really recognize the college smiths that I had 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.200 made to even just be a recruit in the area. 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:44.720 I kind of downplayed that, like away was it be 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:46.800 one man that was nothing, you know what I mean. 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.520 So I kind of just you know, I took it 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.440 for granted and I went to Juco route. You know, 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.400 played a couple of years of Juco Harbor, West l A. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.960 And and then you know what, I was done playing 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:03.440 juco um a referee at the time my mom was dating, 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.040 was like, hey man, you know, if you if you 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.240 don't love a sport like that anymore, you don't have 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.160 anything to get to it. Just stop playing. And that 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.360 kind of got me to thinking, like, do I really 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.640 love this game the way I you know, I think 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:19.839 I do? Or do I just really do it because 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.960 you know it's fun? And you know which which one 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:25.839 was it? Though? Did you did you love the game? 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:27.640 I mean, because obviously you let the game because you're 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.440 you're a coach, So did you you just didn't like 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.960 the Was it the process of being a player? The commitment, 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.640 the expectations? Talk to me? Yeah, I think that as 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:39.880 a young man, you know, if I could look back, 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.919 you know, and and and really reflect, I didn't have 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.800 the guidance that a lot of guys had. They had 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.520 that father figure that reminded them that all opportunities you 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:51.640 have to take advantage of. And for me, I was 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.080 always one of those guys, like because of that whole 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.000 pressure that you get as a young black male in 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.760 the inner city community, you kind of get that pressure 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.560 like you gotta be top or nothing. You don't get 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:08.120 the opportunity to be second place. So, you know, D 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.880 two n ai A opportunities like that, they didn't really like, 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.320 nobody really cared about I have. But he's walking away 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.320 from those all the time and choosing other avenues. That's 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:21.200 that's wild because you would think that somebody that's coming 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.880 out the hood, that people were big up the fact 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.560 that he's continuing his education, that he's going to college. 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.360 Never mind you if it's a D two n i 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:32.000 A or Juko, why do you think that mentality was 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:36.720 so prevalent in your in your neighborhood. You know, when 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.280 I think about it, I think a lot of it 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.520 have to do with the pressure of the community, because 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.840 you know, the press of the community is always you know, 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.120 if you don't if you don't make it to the 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:52.280 top level athlete, then you kind of failed. You know, 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.800 you didn't you kind of let the neighborhood down and 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.880 let yourself down, and let your family down because there's 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.480 so many people that are that's and then you and 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:05.280 with that pressure comes the pressure to perform. And a 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.640 lot of times it was the times when you didn't 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.880 perform to your best that you started to be believed like, 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.840 well that that's what D two is, if that makes sense. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.320 Like when you didn't, when you weren't on the level 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.600 of someone who was going to be the one that 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.080 was gonna go, that was when you was kind of 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.080 looked at as you know, you you're the failure in 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.000 the area, like you was used as the person that 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.040 people were saying on all you remember someone so man, 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.200 they underachieved, they didn't get it done. A lot of 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.760 guys in the community like that, they had the potential 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:41.360 to be something great but instead kind of kind of 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.440 got you know, second and third place, and they eventually 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.760 got subbed out because they just didn't want to keep 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.920 going because they couldn't handle you know, all of the 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.640 scrutiny that was around. You know, you go to the 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.959 local barber shop on what you're doing now, man, I'm 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:56.920 going up in you. Oh man, you man, you were 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:00.040 supposed to be doing this man, while you're not. And 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.080 when that So that's what led me to the coaching. 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.679 But end up happening was and it's a crazy little 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:09.800 you know, life's are tripped men. You know, it's just 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:13.440 a crazy twiss to how things came about the coaching. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.679 But my I was seeing a dating the ref at 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.320 the time. I was kind of figuring out, I'm gonna 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:23.840 transfer playing the little Jewicoke did a little Jewicoke thing, um, 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:29.960 and I ended up transferring along Beach State. At the time, 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:35.400 it was it was right after so Morgan coach Morgan 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:41.240 Hromycuse from Syracuse coach Morgan coach Bargain was the assistant coach. 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.439 Um there was and I know the other two because 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:47.600 what I'm gonna take you What end up happening was 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.040 I transferred there and a buddy of mine said, you 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.720 need to become a pete you know, a kininesiology major, 0:09:54.480 --> 0:10:00.600 but just like an exercise science major. Hard major for sure. Right. 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:05.760 So I'm taking these classes. Um, everything's doing great. Uh. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.079 And I would notice that a lot of times the 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.600 guys were practicing the gold mine. You know, I'll come 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:14.920 by boxing. Man. I started copping in the pickup with him, 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.240 man whooping, and the guys was like, man, I mane, 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.240 you can hoop. And I made a lot of friends there, 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:24.199 and through those friends, those friends led to networking in 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.720 Long Beach Unified in place like that. So my first uh, 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.480 stop was at Mayfair High School. So I started at 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:35.400 Mayfair with with the with the children's brothers there. You know, 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.920 I want to say one was and one wasn't think 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:44.080 one that graduated. And I started out there on frosts 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:48.920 off and that was when my my mom's reference said, hey, 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.160 there's an opportunity for you at L. A. Marshall. So 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.920 when I went to L. A. Marshall at the time, 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:57.720 it was it was a coach there. His name was 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:02.599 Rod Tangent. Rod Angie was the head coach at Guardina 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:06.720 where we played. He was actually the Asian guy that 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.360 was at Gardena when we played, and he actually was 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.959 assistant coach with coach and I at the need Hills. 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:16.800 So when I shared the story, he says, okay, I 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.120 remember coach and I recruiting you in high school. We 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.920 had a little connection there. I was with him for 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.760 about four years in the Northern League, which is like 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:32.559 Franklin Marshall, Lincoln Wilson, Eagle Rock on that side of town. 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.840 So you you understand where I was at. So I 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.480 got a lot of my you know, coaching fundamentals and 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.720 background from coach Coach TANGI was still on my staff. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.160 So so you're come from that Davia Night tree, come 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:52.720 from that tree, from that tree, um, you know, and 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.760 coach and I is very much connected in that community 0:11:55.800 --> 0:12:01.680 where I you know, being at Fremont uh during that time. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.560 And then of course guys have had a lot of offsprings, 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:11.520 you know, nephews and cousins and they're all connected. And 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.520 he's actually come in a few times and actually assisted 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:18.160 with the program as laid you know so foundation and 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:22.280 has helped us out, um you know, just mentoring the guys. 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.520 So he's coming in several times and mentoring our guys. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.960 And uh, the likes of Fidelis Sokarak who's at birth 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:35.000 Ridge now, Coachyakamatu is at Santa Clara, Haleb leccown who's 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:40.480 at Eastern Carolina. We got ethelberta Num who's at uh Talladega, 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.720 which is an Alabama it's top n Ai n Ai school. 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.600 And I know exactly who Ethew Burn is because he 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.520 played He played in the real Run this summer and 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:52.560 I was and I was actually I did a couple 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.680 of games on the mic over there, and I remember 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.839 that name, so I saw ethel Berg get down a 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.040 little bit. I was wondering where he came from. So 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.680 if you remember Ethel Bird, he's the one that that 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:05.600 that hit the buzzer beater UH for the championship in 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.600 two thousand and eighteen when we won that Van Nuys 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:12.640 against Van Eyes, the moment hit, the hit the he's 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.720 the He's the all time hero, that's right, no matter 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.560 where when he shows up, the King Drew you know, 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:23.840 you know whatever. I'm yeah, legendary man and UH one 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.080 of the most excited games I have a coached in 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.120 my career. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.920 lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.280 Fox sports Radio dot com and within the I Heart 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.640 Radio app search f s R to listen live. Well, 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:42.479 let me ask you this, all this experience and mentoring, 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.079 you hear about it a lot. You hear about coaches 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.680 that are you know, come from or stem from a 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:52.480 certain treat. Just talk a little bit with more specifics 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:58.040 about the influence that UM you and I and coach 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.240 you worked with their Gardina had on you as far 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:05.199 as for your basketball philosophy, game planning, program building, or 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.800 any of those type of basketball related items. I think 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:14.120 the thing that I liked about UM the way that 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.600 they kind of taught our me coming under them and 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.320 their umbrella was the fact that they spent a lot 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:26.520 of times um character assessing the kids. They were big 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:32.160 on kids that played basketball outside of you know, practice, 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.600 But we do, right. The rat that is what they 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.720 call it, you know, the first thing they say about 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.320 a kid when they assess him, and so he's not 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.800 a rat because when you're a rat, you find ways 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.440 to win games. You know, you are hustle a guy, 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.280 you are muscle a guy. You out you you play 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.320 with a guy's head. You know, you understand that talking 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.400 is a part of the game. So you talking to 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.200 the guy all the time, and the guy's not used 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.280 to it because he's never seen a player like that. 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.200 That's a rat just around again, you just out of 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.640 like being a street guy. You can't take a guy, 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:05.840 you know, some guy in the area where there's no 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:07.680 crime and take him to an area with his crime. 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.240 He's gonna vote, he's not gonna be able to understand 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.560 what's going on. So it's kind of similar to like 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.120 taking a guy that's a rat and then introducing them 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.240 to a guy that has no experience. You know, that's 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.160 just no substitute for a guy that's a rat, and 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.760 it helped them. But they're teaching because a guy that's 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.280 a rat, he gets it right away. Oh the same 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.720 on Ballline. Oh you just show me something now, I'm 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.720 gonna get all these steals. A rat is gonna you know, 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.720 a guy that knows the game and can I set 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.560 the game, He's gonna understand that right away because he 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:40.240 has a field. You know, this is not a great field. Um. 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.720 I think that that's where coach and n i success 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.120 came when he was at the Medias Hills for all 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:49.400 those years. Um, and even with coach Tang, we've had 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:53.920 our success because he was also able to recognize a 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.800 kid that actually had it. You know, you either have 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:58.960 it or you don't. And that's the problem with sports. 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:01.960 You know a lot of times we can see something 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:06.280 and we can say, wow, you know that kid could 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:10.000 be something. But how many times have that that Have 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.640 we've seen a guy like that? Well a lot of times. 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:15.800 You know these kids, You see a kid, you see 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:17.880 something in the kid, but he doesn't see it in himself, 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.160 so he doesn't necessarily believe in it. But you see it, 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.400 We see it. We're basketball people, and then he doesn't 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.440 have the as you mentioned earlier, sometimes that guidance man, 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.640 the guidance that voicing his ear to to kind of 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.120 keep him on the right path. A lot of times 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:36.600 dudes lose motivation because they don't have that. You know, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:40.040 Bundini Brown, if you will, you know Mohammad Ali's hype man. 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.280 You know, you always need that hype guy, that that 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.280 makes you believe, believe in yourself, believing your game. Man, 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.640 it sounds like, you know, people in the neighborhood that 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.680 you grew up in, they it was a double as source. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:53.960 So you know why, when the going was good, they 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.640 make you feel great. But when the going gets tough 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.080 a little bit, they're gonna be your biggest detractions. And 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.880 that's okay, I feel like, and you tell me from 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.840 wrong here. Did that type of surrounding an atmosphere, man, 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.359 Did that make you stronger in the sense that you 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:11.200 you feel you feel like you could pretty much take 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:15.440 anything or deal with anything. Yeah, you know what it did, 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.320 because at some point you have to realize that you 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.680 can't let people control you, you know, you know, they 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.879 can't rest spacing your head, you know, And that's exactly 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:26.760 what was happening at that time. And like I said, 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.600 a lot of that happened because uh, lack of a 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.040 father figure. You know, I didn't have a mail, and 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:33.679 you know, of course my mother would tell me, oh, 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.639 you know, but when you listen to your mom, you know, 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.679 you know, you're saying, Mom, you don't really understand, because 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:43.560 these dudes really coming hard. You know, you know she understood. 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.720 But you know a lot of times where we think 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.960 when we're young, is I'm the one doing this. I'm 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.280 the one running these laps and running these seventeens and 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.080 playing in these games where I relied on to get 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.879 twenty and thirty and you know what I mean, And 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.560 and you know, get this look and this opportunity because 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.880 I remember I ended up going to Superstars camp as 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.040 a bar yeah, as a junior, going to be a singer, 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.520 and you know that was where everybody was at, you know, 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:13.639 and and that's when you start to realize, you know 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.720 what I mean, I'm not as good as I thought 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.639 I was. You know what I'm saying, Man, it's a trip. 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.480 It's a trip when you go and see all how 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.960 many ball players are really out there, and it's and 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.800 this dudes that be good that you never heard of. 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.920 They'd be good. They're tall. He's like, God, damn, who 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.280 is this? You know this crazy? Shoot? Good shoot? I 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.119 remember I went to Superstars cap Man. It was this 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.560 dude named Sean Pennington from Hayward, California. Bro. He looked 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.080 like l J. Larry Johnson. Bro. He was out here 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.240 when million he had to. He had the s curl 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.040 like Tommy Davids back in the day. He had the 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.000 nice s curl. This dude was up in here win million. 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.800 I mean absolutely turned it out. But it opens your 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:53.920 eyes and let you know, it gives you a good 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:58.000 gage on where you stand. And for me, I know 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.240 when I got back to the crib and I was 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.600 running hills, I was doing all kind of stuff working 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.080 out on the track, I was extra motivated because of 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:09.720 that experience right right, and and I think that that 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.600 did that for me. But it also bought a reality 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.960 that you know, maybe I need to be more realistic 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.720 about my basketball journey or I'm at it's a tough. 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.120 That's a tough. That's a tough And that was that 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.680 was that was kind of an eye opener. I think 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.320 that what I tell the kids now that they have 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:33.000 that we didn't have. Is that opportunity only came once. 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.000 Now every year you look forward to AU season where 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.960 you have this four or five six months just you 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.600 see everybody. If you want to see him, you have 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:46.639 a choice. Just that was you know what we call that. 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.880 It was a suicide mission. He was going there one 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:53.040 way and you was gonna come back another way. I 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.520 mean it was either gonna go there and be that 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.679 be him or he was gonna come back and be 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.879 a fan like because you know my boy who passed 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.160 away and he was solid in high school, Jason Hodges. 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:08.560 You know, you know there's a buddy of mine with 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:13.760 the Pedro right after Raymond Tuch, he came. His roommate 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:19.040 at camp was Jason Terry j And that was when 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.399 I started to say, danger is that If that's what 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.800 high major is, I need to go work my ass off. 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:27.960 I got a lot of work to do. And j 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.600 t ended up doing some great things as we all 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:36.680 we both know. And uh, after l. A. Marshall, where 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:40.200 did you move on to or what was your next 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.720 stop in your coaches coaching journey man? Great question? Um. 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.119 After Marshall, I ended up getting the teaching job so 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.119 at the time, man, it was so crazy because it 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:52.840 was kind of like when that you know, it was 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.720 like that stage where that was when they just started 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:58.600 to just drag teachers, you know, you know, especially in 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:00.960 l A Unified. Oh you know, oh, a lot of 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:06.720 underachieving students, yeah scores and you know, they were making 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:10.560 teachers take two years extra bits. Uh And I think 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:12.520 they still do that. But it was just a lot 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:14.240 of crazy things went on, and there were not a 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.159 lot of jobs. So you know, when there's not a 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.320 lot of jobs, where do you go to the roughest area. 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:24.960 I went right over there to Sampedro and Imperial and 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:29.120 uh I put my term my resume and the goppers 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:32.720 and uh got a job there in uh oh six 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:36.159 oh seven. And when I got the job there, I 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.880 served the year before I sewed, before I actually um 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.480 got the job. There's a guy there by the name 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:48.160 of Mr Curry. He's a legendary guy, k c that's 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.639 what everybody called him. And he used to coach a 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:53.440