Speaker 1: The problem with Kim is there are no checks and
Speaker 1: balances with her. No one has ever made her responsible.
Speaker 1: I think it even predates that to her parents.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King,
Speaker 2: the King of Reality TV and one of the most
Speaker 2: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten
Speaker 2: years a production experience. Once a week from Reality with
Speaker 2: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the
Speaker 2: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable
Speaker 2: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey,
Speaker 2: rain drops. So on today's episode of Reality with the King,
Speaker 2: we have a lot to discuss, from Kim Zosias Debores
Speaker 2: to Charae Whitfields, New Boo Martel, who just happens to
Speaker 2: be on my show Love in Marriage Huntsville. So to
Speaker 2: do a deep dive into all of this drama that's
Speaker 2: been spewing, I had to ask fan favorite and my
Speaker 2: good friend Ka Casey to join me.
Speaker 1: Hey, Kate, I have so much to talk to you about.
Speaker 1: I text you as soon as I watched Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of Atlanta. I'm like, I need to know everything about Martel,
Speaker 1: please give it to me. And Kim stuff too. As
Speaker 1: always we're like, what's going on? What's really going on?
Speaker 2: Okay? So for the real house Boss of Atlanta fans,
Speaker 2: the season premier of Atlanta recently aired and what you
Speaker 2: all saw was SCHARAE Whitfields new Boo Martel Holt. And
Speaker 2: you already know Martel Holt from my creation Love and
Speaker 2: Marriag Huntsville.
Speaker 3: What is his background? What is his profession?
Speaker 2: Martel is from Huntsville, Alabama, born and raised. Okay, he
Speaker 2: is a former football player like in high school and stuff.
Speaker 2: I also think he may have dabbled with football in college,
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken. When I first met he and
Speaker 2: his then wife Melody, they own a business called Holt
Speaker 2: and Holt Enterprises because that's his last name, and they
Speaker 2: were doing property preservation. They had a lawnowing service, landscaping service.
Speaker 2: They were serial entrepreneurs together that made lots of money doing.
Speaker 3: That in Alabama.
Speaker 2: In Alabama?
Speaker 3: And did she know him in high school?
Speaker 2: They met in college?
Speaker 3: Where did they go to school?
Speaker 2: I believe Alabama A and M.
Speaker 1: But if I'm not mistaken, Okay, so big like a football
Speaker 1: kind of college, like a big time fund.
Speaker 2: And the way they met, she was like the class clown.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: He's attracted to powerful women, like women who have personality
Speaker 2: right smar if you will, right like? He loves that.
Speaker 2: And he approached her, and she asked her severity sisters
Speaker 2: to do a background on him to make sure she
Speaker 2: wasn't dating a crazy person. And long story short, the
Speaker 2: day she graduated, he proposed to her.
Speaker 3: Okay, and then quickly after got married.
Speaker 2: Yes, and they have four kids again. Oh, enjoy that.
Speaker 3: I enjoy that? Okay? Why did they break up?
Speaker 2: This is where things get interesting. Raindrops. While they were married,
Speaker 2: he had an affair with whom with a woman who
Speaker 2: years later would become the mother of his fifth child.
Speaker 2: She got pregnant while he was married.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of problems with that.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Did Melody know this woman? No, she was a complete stranger.
Speaker 2: Like were they friends? No? No, no stranger Yes.
Speaker 1: In retrospect, did she think that there were signs that
Speaker 1: he was cheating?
Speaker 2: Yes, going to the gym, late boy, you know those
Speaker 2: things would happen yep, complete.
Speaker 3: Betrayal, devastation.
Speaker 1: The kids must have been a wreck, did her sorority
Speaker 1: sisters want to go back and murder him.
Speaker 2: Melody has a tribe. So what was so interesting Kate?
Speaker 2: His mother learned that he cheated on Melody and that
Speaker 2: Melody filed for divorce. His mother was devastated. I believe
Speaker 2: it because his mom looked at Melody as her daughter.
Speaker 3: Okay, so how many years ago is this?
Speaker 2: So the show started in twenty eighteen, I believe first
Speaker 2: day of filming we heard rumblings of this infidelity. I
Speaker 2: did not know that when I met them back in
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. The affair started maybe a year or two
Speaker 2: before filming. The woman got pregnant.
Speaker 3: I want to say, So this affair went on for
Speaker 3: you're saying like three years?
Speaker 1: Yes, three years? This is devastating. What is she doing now?
Speaker 1: Did she remarry? Did she find love?
Speaker 3: Is she happy? Do I need to worry about her?
Speaker 2: She has moved on. She's dating. She's not, from my understanding,
Speaker 2: in an exclusive relationship, but she is dating. She's seeing
Speaker 2: somebody who has not appeared on the show yet, for
Speaker 2: all into some and purposes. She is very happy now.
Speaker 2: The cold parenting thing is always going to be very
Speaker 2: difficult in any situation. So they are navigating through that.
Speaker 3: Why do you think he cheated?
Speaker 2: According to him, he felt that and again, this is
Speaker 2: what he said on the show. He was such a
Speaker 2: faithful man and a good man and good father.
Speaker 3: Oh good, here we go. What's the bullshit excuse? Go ahead?
Speaker 2: Oh good?
Speaker 1: You can smell it coming right, just to warm me
Speaker 1: up with that is so strid, that's.
Speaker 2: What he said, Kate.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: And he saw that some of these men that he
Speaker 2: was hanging with had side pieces, girlfriend, okay, pieces right,
Speaker 2: and he wanted to try it. And unfortunately, in his
Speaker 2: attempts to test the waters, it just became continuous.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's the KACAMEDI excuse that he gave you.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the excuse that he gave the world on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: It sounds like he's not really taking responsibility for it, like, well,
Speaker 1: if it were not for these guys, they you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I had an obligation to test the waters
Speaker 1: because you know how it is the first thing you
Speaker 1: said was, you know, I've always been a very faithful husband.
Speaker 1: It's almost like, yeah, no responsibility, this is this is
Speaker 1: a larning. I'm I'm really concerned about this. I thought
Speaker 1: his body he was incredibly good looking.
Speaker 3: Doesn't make him hot. This does not make him hot anymore.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Now I'm always concerned about Charret because I feel like
Speaker 1: she does not pick great guys. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: because this is the same woman who had these massive
Speaker 1: portraits of herself in the first season of show that
Speaker 1: she was on, where you were like, wow, Now that's
Speaker 1: a level of confidence I'm not used to, right, So
Speaker 1: she has that part of her personality, but then she
Speaker 1: doesn't have enough self worth to choose somebody who really
Speaker 1: respects her in the way that she deserves.
Speaker 2: A lot of people have said that, And you know,
Speaker 2: I've known Cheray for fifteen years, and I was talking
Speaker 2: to friends of mine who all intimated that they never
Speaker 2: saw Cherae on camera conversing with a man and she
Speaker 2: was so giddy and like really into him. Did you
Speaker 2: get that too when you were watching it? Like, you
Speaker 2: did not see that with Bob. We could not see
Speaker 2: what Tom rown for obvious reasons. And even the guy
Speaker 2: she would like day a little bit on the show,
Speaker 2: we did not see that with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is the first person that is like,
Speaker 1: is comfortable on camera because he's been on a TV show.
Speaker 1: My husband's never been on a TV show. He would
Speaker 1: never be comfortable on television. That doesn't mean he's not
Speaker 1: a great partner. This is the first guy she's dated.
Speaker 1: That's like, Okay, I'm comfortable with being on camera now
Speaker 1: as her friend.
Speaker 3: I'm going that's a problem.
Speaker 1: The way that you explained to me that it ended
Speaker 1: with melody, I don't And this was not that long ago.
Speaker 2: By the way, No, they've been divorced for two years.
Speaker 1: Because four children. He's got four children. He really has
Speaker 1: to focus on them and ensuring that they have self
Speaker 1: esteem in the wake of their parents' divorce. He should
Speaker 1: not be on a television show with another woman on
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Atlanta.
Speaker 3: This is bad news.
Speaker 2: Do you think the situation is bad news? Or do
Speaker 2: you think he's bad news.
Speaker 3: Here's what I know to be true.
Speaker 1: Okay, I know that once somebody is on a television show,
Speaker 1: they've been compromised. They are no longer the same person
Speaker 1: that they were, and like a drug addict, they need
Speaker 1: to fix and they need to go from show to
Speaker 1: show to show to get the attention that they they
Speaker 1: need it. It's like it's like drugs in their system.
Speaker 1: It's like fills them up. You see it with housewives,
Speaker 1: you see it on people in the Bachelor. Sure, I'll
Speaker 1: be on the Food Network show like Eat out of
Speaker 1: the Garbage. I'll do it because they want some more
Speaker 1: opportunity to be on TV. So my concern, first of all,
Speaker 1: is that he did his wife wrong. He did not
Speaker 1: take responsibility for it. That wasn't that long ago, and
Speaker 1: now he's jumping to another show, and he is seemingly
Speaker 1: chose someone who has a history of choosing men who
Speaker 1: don't have her best interest. So given that, on paper,
Speaker 1: anybody would go run the other way.
Speaker 2: Do you think there is a world where a leopard
Speaker 2: can't change his spots?
Speaker 3: Not really.
Speaker 1: I think that she should be with somebody who is
Speaker 1: an executive at a fitness company, oh, who is a
Speaker 1: very kind, faith centered person who is so confident in
Speaker 1: themselves they would never imagine being on a television show
Speaker 1: because they don't need that to make them feel like
Speaker 1: they are worthy of attention in praise. They've had so
Speaker 1: much success in their life personally and professionally that they're
Speaker 1: at a point where they would love to be with
Speaker 1: a woman as beautiful creative, kind and generous as sure,
Speaker 1: that's what I.
Speaker 3: Wish for her.
Speaker 2: Now, let me ask you this because the problem that
Speaker 2: some women have who are on reality television where you're
Speaker 2: supposed to right, you're supposed to give your real life.
Speaker 2: If you meet a guy and he has no desire
Speaker 2: to be on television, you can talk about that.
Speaker 3: You can say that, Why can't you say that? What
Speaker 3: do you think? Kick you off the show?
Speaker 1: If you show up as a married person and the
Speaker 1: person doesn't want to be on the show, that's a
Speaker 1: whole other thing. You can't It doesn't work. But if
Speaker 1: you've been on a show and your job is to
Speaker 1: tell your personal story, that's a part of your story.
Speaker 1: A It's really hard for me to date because I'm
Speaker 1: going to tellelevision show and men assume they know who
Speaker 1: I am because they saw me at a dinner party
Speaker 1: where I almost punched someone in the face.
Speaker 3: That's a problem for me.
Speaker 1: Number two, they're a private person, they work in accounting,
Speaker 1: they're a lawyer, whatever it may be. They don't want
Speaker 1: to be on television.
Speaker 2: Talk about it.
Speaker 3: That's your life story.
Speaker 1: I'm deeply in love and I'm struggling because I would
Speaker 1: love for him to participate in a lot of the
Speaker 1: life experiences that I have, which include being on TV show.
Speaker 1: But it's not in the cards. So what do I do?
Speaker 1: That is true storytelling.
Speaker 2: Fascinating because the only one who got away with it
Speaker 2: was Kim Zoziak with Big Papa.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but she showed up to the show having
Speaker 1: an affair that I don't know, like they should have
Speaker 1: pushed her that first season to have him on camera.
Speaker 3: I don't know how she got away with that.
Speaker 2: Who I hate to interrupt, but stay tuned for more.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these quick ads. This is
Speaker 2: reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get
Speaker 2: back into the show.
Speaker 1: The problem with Kim is like, no, there are no
Speaker 1: checks and balances with her, and it began in two thousand.
Speaker 2: And eight, literally of fregatively checks and balances both.
Speaker 1: No one ever makes and no one has ever made
Speaker 1: her responsible. I think it even predates that to her parents.
Speaker 1: I mean, you made her wedding special that I obsessed about,
Speaker 1: the whole thing kind of played out. You're like, no
Speaker 1: one has ever held her accountable. Pain bills is like
Speaker 1: someone else, Someone's going to pay the bill for me, right,
Speaker 1: she seems like somebody walks into a restaurant and assumes
Speaker 1: that the restaurant will take care of it because she's
Speaker 1: such an international superstar and everybody has let her get
Speaker 1: away with it. And then she marries Croy and they're
Speaker 1: Soca code pennant, and he enabled her from the very
Speaker 1: minute they met, and now she's angry at him and
Speaker 1: he's angry at her. It's like, well, you've been in
Speaker 1: bed together figuratively as well.
Speaker 3: No one has ever held her accountable.
Speaker 1: And that began with like Big Papa being on set
Speaker 1: hiding like are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Okay, how are you paying your bills?
Speaker 1: You live in this condo, you have two daughters, you
Speaker 1: have luxury items on what is your job? Remember when
Speaker 1: she said she might have cancer, like all the things
Speaker 1: that she got away with on TV where it was
Speaker 1: just like, oh, that's Kim crazy, Kim. I don't think
Speaker 1: that would happen in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can guarantee you. And when I happened in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, the rules are different, and the atmosphere
Speaker 2: of reality television has embraced that. Guess what, ding dong,
Speaker 2: We're on a reality show. There's people following these reality stars,
Speaker 2: and the fourth wall is broken now more than ever.
Speaker 2: So let's get into that. Because as we talk about
Speaker 2: Kim Zosiac, yes, when she first came on the Housewives
Speaker 2: of Atlanta, she was seeing a man who was still
Speaker 2: legally married, right crazy. According to Kim, he was separated,
Speaker 2: but was he legally married? She said, yes, he was,
Speaker 2: and that's the reason why he did not want to
Speaker 2: be on camera for those reasons.
Speaker 1: What a horrible man. You're married and you have two children.
Speaker 1: You have to look at yourself in the mirror every
Speaker 1: day that you carried on an affair with a woman
Speaker 1: on a reality show and you had the balls to
Speaker 1: show up on set with a wife at home and
Speaker 1: two children that looked to you for leadership. You're that's disgusting. Okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Sorry, No, that's okay, liten it.
Speaker 2: That's why I could not have this conversation with anyone
Speaker 2: but the very happily married Kay Casey.
Speaker 1: Just I'm like, what is like so disgusting? And also
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be on camera. You're you're in
Speaker 1: the trailer hiding in the closet. What a whack unbelievable,
Speaker 1: what a Jerk.
Speaker 2: Seasons one and two, she was dating Big Papa. Right
Speaker 2: season three, she was dating a woman named Tracy the
Speaker 2: d that's right.
Speaker 3: For a hot minute. Yeah, that made no sense either.
Speaker 2: Okay, then season four comes around, so she's been unlucky
Speaker 2: in love from her introduction on reality television. Right, season
Speaker 2: four comes around, she's not but Tracy, she's not with
Speaker 2: Big Papa. Charae was a part of this very local
Speaker 2: Atlanta dancing with the Stars type of event.
Speaker 3: And then she saw him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Big Papa and Tracy seem so disjointed with when
Speaker 1: you compare it to Kroy.
Speaker 2: She needed something new, yeah and stable.
Speaker 1: And that's why and that's why these shoes are important.
Speaker 1: They're like character studies. You know, we're all just looking
Speaker 1: at someone's timeline and by the way, we all of
Speaker 1: our own personal things were. It'd be like, what, like
Speaker 1: my first marriage, like and put that on paper, You're
Speaker 1: like what? And god, now, if you listen to my episodes,
Speaker 1: it all makes sense. But we all do that where
Speaker 1: we're like, wait, what I mean? I see it on
Speaker 1: Banner Pump Rules all the time. Yeah, Big Papa Tracy
Speaker 1: made zero sense. And then she meets Croy at the
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars thing, and Chara introduces her to Croy.
Speaker 1: Love at first sight, but codependent from day one. The
Speaker 1: fact day one, the fact that he isolated his family.
Speaker 1: You don't see any of his friends. Even the guy
Speaker 1: that officiated that wedding wasn't his name Croy.
Speaker 2: Also his name was coy or Kroy it with a
Speaker 2: see he's an anchor, sports.
Speaker 3: Anker, super cute cry oh ryer.
Speaker 1: What happened to him? Is he like not in his
Speaker 1: life anymore? I feel like, almost like a cult leader.
Speaker 1: Kim made him rid himself of the people in his life.
Speaker 1: She like cuts people off. She's like, nope, you're a hater, goodbye.
Speaker 1: She cut her parents off, her brother wasn't around her
Speaker 1: life for a while. Then he like came back in
Speaker 1: for a little bit. Remember that episode. I feel like
Speaker 1: she'll just cut somebody off. If you're not giving her
Speaker 1: what she needs, she'll cut you off. That's pretty scary.
Speaker 2: So with that being said, do you think the filing
Speaker 2: of the divorce is her way of cutting off Froy
Speaker 2: because he no longer met her needs?
Speaker 1: Yes, I listen. I think that they're at a cellular level.
Speaker 3: Was true love?
Speaker 1: I do believe they loved each other, but there's too
Speaker 1: much betrayal.
Speaker 3: The betrayal is this, he betrayed her.
Speaker 1: By not being honest about finances because he was managing
Speaker 1: her career and the family's career and probably moving the
Speaker 1: plates around to keep her happy.
Speaker 3: That's a betrayal.
Speaker 1: If you're not being honest with somebody in your representation
Speaker 1: of them, whether you're their accountant or the spouse, that's
Speaker 1: a betrayal. She's betraying him by not living on planet Earth,
Speaker 1: spending enormous amounts of money, making decisions probably without including him,
Speaker 1: and having honest conversations about what they could afford.
Speaker 3: That's a betrayal to Now.
Speaker 1: Do I think that she's waiting in the wings for
Speaker 1: someone else wealthy to come and swoop her up?
Speaker 3: I sure did. Do I think she's dating someone now?
Speaker 3: I have no idea, but I.
Speaker 1: Think that there is sort of like a like a
Speaker 1: theme here, which is, I don't need to take care
Speaker 1: of it, someone else will take care of it for me.
Speaker 1: If you look at the whole sequence of events since
Speaker 1: she's been on TV, she just thinks somebody else will
Speaker 1: take care of her problems, and it's like that works
Speaker 1: when you're younger. To some degree, it doesn't work as
Speaker 1: you get older. And unfortunately, I think those two older
Speaker 1: girls have learned that, and I worry that they've learned that.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel a tremendous amount of empathy for
Speaker 1: them because they grew up on television.
Speaker 2: That is not easy, right you have but no child
Speaker 2: to grow up on television.
Speaker 1: Yes, you have to be a responsible adult in terms
Speaker 1: of like what you're projecting to your kids. And I
Speaker 1: think that the lesson that they've learned is someone will
Speaker 1: always pay the bill.
Speaker 3: Ok, Ksey, I don't know what do you think?
Speaker 2: So let's talk about what happened prior to the falling
Speaker 2: of the war, and then we'll get into my thoughts.
Speaker 1: To thank you because you got to mention the gambling,
Speaker 1: because I forgot about that part.
Speaker 3: That's a betrayal.
Speaker 1: Gambling is a betrayal in a marriage. It is it's
Speaker 1: a financial betrayal.
Speaker 2: Oh one thousand percent. So prior to the filing of divorce, right,
Speaker 2: there were countless articles with receipts allegedly of Kim and
Speaker 2: croy home being in foreclosure. Right, So, there were tons,
Speaker 2: tons of articles about that that their house were was
Speaker 2: allegedly going to be auction off okay, because they did
Speaker 2: not meet the payment schedule from the mortgage company in
Speaker 2: the bank, so an auction was scheduled. Kkse days before
Speaker 2: the auction was scheduled, they said the auction is off,
Speaker 2: presumably you know, believing that Camercroy paid the necessary payment
Speaker 2: slash fines for them. Then two days before the announcement
Speaker 2: came that she filed for divorce. It was reported by
Speaker 2: TMZ that they owed upwards of one point one million
Speaker 2: dollars to the I R S. Then it was announced
Speaker 2: that she filed for divorce, saying that the relationship is
Speaker 2: broken and cannot be prepared. A lot of people Kate
Speaker 2: have mentioned that Kim likes to gamble. She has a
Speaker 2: gambling addiction, right. They are also alleging that is this
Speaker 2: divorce happening to protect assets from each other.
Speaker 1: Well, I did worry about that, but then I asked
Speaker 1: a bunch of attorneys what they thought, and they said,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. They're in a state where they're both culpable,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't like they both still have to pay,
Speaker 1: so there's not much they could do to hide assets.
Speaker 1: I think this is more like you you no longer
Speaker 1: will be able to serve my needs. And I think
Speaker 1: financial I mean, listen, financial and emotional needs. I mean,
Speaker 1: they haven't been on television for their show hasn't been
Speaker 1: on for what three years now?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 1: This is what I think people also forget because we're
Speaker 1: normal people living in the world, and people that are
Speaker 1: on television, like I said, become so consumed by fame
Speaker 1: and they get these ancillary business opportunities where they'll know,
Speaker 1: license things or create things, and they need to be
Speaker 1: on the show to move the merchandise. They need a
Speaker 1: TV show to move the merchandise. If you're on a
Speaker 1: television show, you have way more opportunity to move the
Speaker 1: answllery products that you have created. I think she's under
Speaker 1: enormous stress all the time. How do we get back
Speaker 1: on TV? I remember were discussions about the Younger Daughters
Speaker 1: having a show. I remember people telling me a long
Speaker 1: time ago within network that they had hoped maybe giving
Speaker 1: the younger girls a show we would bring in younger viewers.
Speaker 1: I don't think that panned out. I mean, to sell
Speaker 1: an unscripted project in the last two years two and
Speaker 1: a half years has been really difficult, you know, that
Speaker 1: better than anybody.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the industry has.
Speaker 1: Changed, and you know you need to be on a
Speaker 1: TV show to get more endorsement deals and move products.
Speaker 1: That stress is getting to you and your husband, who
Speaker 1: has been your manager and doesn't work as a football
Speaker 1: player anymore. It doesn't like the fact that you gamble,
Speaker 1: is becoming less mesmerized by you.
Speaker 3: She's gonna cut and run. She'll find someone else who
Speaker 3: can pay the bill.
Speaker 2: Hmm. Okay, So let me fill you in on when
Speaker 2: I saw them a year ago this month. They came
Speaker 2: to my late night show the night I remember, I remember, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and Kate and separable. We were in the green room.
Speaker 2: They were all over each other. I saw nothing but love. Nothing,
Speaker 2: Nothing gave any sort of indication that something was wrong.
Speaker 2: It was the same sort of love fat that I
Speaker 2: saw years prior when I was working with them on
Speaker 2: and the Atlanta Housewives. We were filming as a closed set.
Speaker 2: She said, Carlos, come on, Kroy has I said, it's okay,
Speaker 2: Kroy still behind a camera.
Speaker 3: Guy, What that's kind of weird.
Speaker 2: No, But we talk about the code dependency relationship, and you.
Speaker 1: Have to put up with that. God bless you because
Speaker 1: I'd be like, you know what goes in the car
Speaker 1: genre standing behind the cameraman.
Speaker 3: That is, That's what I'm saying. No one checks them
Speaker 3: like it's not normal.
Speaker 1: He has to drive you everywhere, and that you can't
Speaker 1: get it on an elevator, and you can't get upstairs,
Speaker 1: and you can't drink from a normal glass.
Speaker 2: I forgot about the normal glass.
Speaker 3: I mean, God, like, we're all complete.
Speaker 1: I'm not complicit, but people are complicit and wildly weird.
Speaker 2: Behavior now because the reality stars so no, I'm going
Speaker 2: to say this, and this is why I'm listen, because
Speaker 2: you are so smart speaking as a producer and somebody
Speaker 2: who's worked with these ladies early on in their careers
Speaker 2: are reality television. One of the things you say as
Speaker 2: producer is if they were normal, they would not be
Speaker 2: on team.
Speaker 3: Be on the show.
Speaker 1: And I respect that because I just talked to Alex
Speaker 1: Baskin from vanderm Pump Roles and we did talk about
Speaker 1: you have to let the story play out, So I
Speaker 1: do get that to some degree. However, I do think
Speaker 1: the problem too with these stars is that they encircle
Speaker 1: themselves with people in their orbit, their hair and makeup team,
Speaker 1: their talent agent, their managers, the person that runs their
Speaker 1: social media, the person that picks up their shoes, who
Speaker 1: watches their children, gets them a salad. They all tell
Speaker 1: them that they're the greatest person that walk the earth,
Speaker 1: and everything that they do that's bombastic and delusional and
Speaker 1: diabolical is the funniest thing that ever existed in the world.
Speaker 3: And therefore they.
Speaker 1: Dial it up and then people on social media call
Speaker 1: them in a queen and an icon and it never ends.
Speaker 1: So they need someone like me and their world to go.
Speaker 1: You've lost your mind, you lost the plot. You need
Speaker 1: to land the plane, come back to a planet Earth
Speaker 1: where we all live. Unfortunately, for Kim, that means the
Speaker 1: people who work for the irs.
Speaker 2: Oh sister, Okay, First of all, that was such a
Speaker 2: drop the mic moment. But sis, it's a podcast. I
Speaker 2: gotta tap it. That can you guys hear this Kate
Speaker 2: drop the mic? But it's true. You know it, honey,
Speaker 2: I'm about to confirm it for you. When it comes
Speaker 2: to these reality stars, not all, but some A large
Speaker 2: A large sum right, okay, s um some a large
Speaker 2: some of them?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: They are delusional. It's everything you said. They have their
Speaker 2: glam squad, their talent agent, talent manager. They've got their
Speaker 2: fan base, they got social media who feeds the ego
Speaker 2: and the monster, and they become this person who no
Speaker 2: longer has any sort of relatability to the world. They
Speaker 2: don't have any sort of pulse to what's happening in
Speaker 2: the real world, which is why when you talk to them,
Speaker 2: they only talk about themselves for the entire thirty minutes
Speaker 2: of the conversation. They never asked that.
Speaker 1: They don't even know how to ask you a question.
Speaker 1: They don't know how to ask you a question that
Speaker 1: is the most simple, basic thing. My kids do it well,
Speaker 1: and nephews do it well. They don't know how.
Speaker 3: To do that. How are you today?
Speaker 1: I remember I interviewed the executive producer of Rock of Love,
Speaker 1: remember that with Brett michaels Ary, and he said, Kate,
Speaker 1: we had to teach him how to date. He didn't
Speaker 1: know because his dating was opening the door and there
Speaker 1: was a groupie who would like, I'll give him a blowjob. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So they had to be like, you have to ask
Speaker 1: a girl, what's your name?
Speaker 3: Where are you from? Do you like soda?
Speaker 1: Like basic stuff because they don't know because it's all
Speaker 1: about them all the time.
Speaker 3: They don't know how to ask questions.
Speaker 1: So a seemingly normal person goes through life, gets a
Speaker 1: college degree, works, may even start a family, and then
Speaker 1: they become a reality star and all of that disappears
Speaker 1: and they become this insane version of themselves who can
Speaker 1: no longer ask how are you?
Speaker 3: What's your name's?
Speaker 1: No, those days are gone, gone, compromised, compromised by the system.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it happens normally a little after season two.
Speaker 2: It just maybe. And I'm gonna say this to y'all
Speaker 2: never said this anybody. The moment you know you lost
Speaker 2: a reality star forever is when they say I'm the
Speaker 2: star of the show. Oh boy. They cannot come back
Speaker 2: from that. They're gone. That's when you have to, as
Speaker 2: a producer, say this person is so far gone that
Speaker 2: it's not going to end well. And listen, I can
Speaker 2: promise you it never ends well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember talking to a real housewife once that said,
Speaker 1: you know, I've talked to the producer and they're building
Speaker 1: the whole show around me. You know what, You're wrong,
Speaker 1: And she got so mad at me, and our friendship
Speaker 1: was never the same.
Speaker 2: Gasp, Listen, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. So that's
Speaker 2: what happens.
Speaker 3: Normal people.
Speaker 1: Their balloons are going up in the sky and we're
Speaker 1: pulling down the strings. They don't want someone to pull
Speaker 1: the strings down.
Speaker 2: That's a good visual. It is true, it is true,
Speaker 2: and that's the reason why I look. Sometimes the reality
Speaker 2: star does not last on the show for that very reason,
Speaker 2: because their ego is inflated. And when you look at
Speaker 2: what's happening right now and look, I will say this
Speaker 2: cam who I met in two thousand and eight to now,
Speaker 2: she is the same person in the sense of she's
Speaker 2: always had this extreme confidence and this world that made
Speaker 2: sense to her. And being completely honest with you, Kate, I.
Speaker 3: Think it's okay to be confident.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's okay to discount other people and
Speaker 1: to assume someone else would do the work for you.
Speaker 3: That's what I don't like.
Speaker 2: No, I cannot agree. More So, what do you make
Speaker 2: of the fact that Timzy's reporting that CAMERCROI are still
Speaker 2: living under the same route.
Speaker 1: I don't think they have a choice. What are they
Speaker 1: going to live with Rose the psychic? I don't think
Speaker 1: there's anywhere else to live and I think a lot
Speaker 1: of couples have to do that, which again is like
Speaker 1: welcome to the real world. This is like a lot
Speaker 1: how a lot of people have to live day to
Speaker 1: day the fact that they were in this situation. And
Speaker 1: she would gamble and then buy luxury items and then
Speaker 1: if anybody asked her about it, she'd like, you're a hater,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not leaving this house, Like there's just there's
Speaker 1: a disconnect there, which, again to your point, you have
Speaker 1: to be somewhat disconnected to sign up to be on
Speaker 1: a reality show.
Speaker 2: Well, you absolutely, because.
Speaker 1: You and you and I are too plugged into the world.
Speaker 1: We care too much about the people around us and
Speaker 1: the after math the decisions we make. To be on
Speaker 1: a reality show, you have to somewhat disconnect yourself from that.
Speaker 2: Yes, no, one percent. And that's the reason why. One
Speaker 2: thing that people don't know okay, and I would love
Speaker 2: you to explain this because a lot of people are like, Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: why are you living under the same roof when you
Speaker 2: are divorceeing? And we saw some of this on the
Speaker 2: Real Housewives of Miami with Lena and Lisa.
Speaker 1: Well, because the minute someone leaves the house, you've lost control.
Speaker 1: It's a whole power dynamic the minute you leave, and
Speaker 1: then that trickles down into the child support discussions. It's
Speaker 1: almost like they're signaling, well, if I leave and then
Speaker 1: I'm going to move into an apartment in Mariette or
Speaker 1: wherever they are, then would that apartment accommodate the four
Speaker 1: younger children. I mean, it gets super complicated, so they
Speaker 1: tend to stay in the same house and have this battle.
Speaker 1: If you could only imagine how painful that's going to
Speaker 1: be for the four minor children.
Speaker 2: Yes, so cam McRoy have four children together. And speaking
Speaker 2: of custody TMZ can I also want to say one
Speaker 2: last thing, of course.
Speaker 1: When I saw first of all, thank you Bravo Dockett
Speaker 1: girls for posting all the details and putting the timeline,
Speaker 1: because it showed that he actually filed two hours before
Speaker 1: she did.
Speaker 2: They were racing to the courthouse.
Speaker 1: He filed first, Very important to note. I think that
Speaker 1: changes a.
Speaker 2: Little bit, right, tell me what a change.
Speaker 3: He was the first.
Speaker 1: So it looked like because it was reported that she
Speaker 1: filed first.
Speaker 3: That she was the one who came to the decision
Speaker 3: to divorce. That changed.
Speaker 1: It's like there's something that happened the weekend before or
Speaker 1: whatever where it was like a final decision. I would
Speaker 1: assume that she leaked it to TMZ that she had
Speaker 1: filed for divorce. He actually filed two hours before. It
Speaker 1: was like a one thirty five Bravo Dockett on their
Speaker 1: Instagram house. So you can go back and look at
Speaker 1: all the little slides. Also in Georgia, this is bonkers. Wait,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're prepared for this. This is
Speaker 1: your next project in Georgia. You could do divorce by jury.
Speaker 2: We could.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't live in Georgia, but I want
Speaker 1: to live in Georgia right now. There could be people
Speaker 1: who sit in in a jury and help decide the
Speaker 1: details of their divorce.
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