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Speaker 1: The problem with Kim is there are no checks and

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Speaker 1: I think it even predates that to her parents.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned, we'll be right back after these quick ads.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King,

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Speaker 2: the King of Reality TV and one of the most

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Speaker 2: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten

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Speaker 2: years a production experience. Once a week from Reality with

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Speaker 2: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the

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Speaker 2: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable

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Speaker 2: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey,

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Speaker 2: rain drops. So on today's episode of Reality with the King,

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Speaker 2: we have a lot to discuss, from Kim Zosias Debores

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Speaker 2: to Charae Whitfields, New Boo Martel, who just happens to

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Speaker 2: be on my show Love in Marriage Huntsville. So to

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Speaker 2: do a deep dive into all of this drama that's

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Speaker 2: been spewing, I had to ask fan favorite and my

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Speaker 2: good friend Ka Casey to join me.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Kate, I have so much to talk to you about.

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Speaker 1: I text you as soon as I watched Real Housewives

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Speaker 1: of Atlanta. I'm like, I need to know everything about Martel,

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Speaker 1: please give it to me. And Kim stuff too. As

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Speaker 1: always we're like, what's going on? What's really going on?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So for the real house Boss of Atlanta fans,

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Speaker 2: the season premier of Atlanta recently aired and what you

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Speaker 2: all saw was SCHARAE Whitfields new Boo Martel Holt. And

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Speaker 2: you already know Martel Holt from my creation Love and

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Speaker 2: Marriag Huntsville.

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Speaker 3: What is his background? What is his profession?

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Speaker 2: Martel is from Huntsville, Alabama, born and raised. Okay, he

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Speaker 2: is a former football player like in high school and stuff.

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Speaker 2: I also think he may have dabbled with football in college,

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Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken. When I first met he and

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Speaker 2: his then wife Melody, they own a business called Holt

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Speaker 2: and Holt Enterprises because that's his last name, and they

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Speaker 2: were doing property preservation. They had a lawnowing service, landscaping service.

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Speaker 2: They were serial entrepreneurs together that made lots of money doing.

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Speaker 3: That in Alabama.

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Speaker 2: In Alabama?

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Speaker 3: And did she know him in high school?

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Speaker 2: They met in college?

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Speaker 3: Where did they go to school?

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Speaker 2: I believe Alabama A and M.

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Speaker 1: But if I'm not mistaken, Okay, so big like a football

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Speaker 2: And the way they met, she was like the class clown.

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Speaker 2: He's attracted to powerful women, like women who have personality

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Speaker 2: And he approached her, and she asked her severity sisters

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Speaker 2: day she graduated, he proposed to her.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and then quickly after got married.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and they have four kids again. Oh, enjoy that.

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Speaker 3: I enjoy that? Okay? Why did they break up?

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Speaker 2: This is where things get interesting. Raindrops. While they were married,

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Speaker 2: he had an affair with whom with a woman who

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Speaker 2: She got pregnant while he was married.

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Speaker 3: I have a lot of problems with that.

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Speaker 1: Did Melody know this woman? No, she was a complete stranger.

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Speaker 2: Like were they friends? No? No, no stranger Yes.

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Speaker 1: In retrospect, did she think that there were signs that

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Speaker 2: Yes, going to the gym, late boy, you know those

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Speaker 3: Betrayal, devastation.

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Speaker 1: The kids must have been a wreck, did her sorority

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Speaker 1: sisters want to go back and murder him.

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Speaker 2: Melody has a tribe. So what was so interesting Kate?

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Speaker 2: His mother learned that he cheated on Melody and that

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Speaker 2: Melody filed for divorce. His mother was devastated. I believe

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Speaker 3: Okay, so how many years ago is this?

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Speaker 1: Yes, three years? This is devastating. What is she doing now?

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Speaker 3: Why do you think he cheated?

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Speaker 2: According to him, he felt that and again, this is

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Speaker 1: You can smell it coming right, just to warm me

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Speaker 2: What he said, Kate.

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Speaker 2: And he saw that some of these men that he

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's the KACAMEDI excuse that he gave you.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the excuse that he gave the world on

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Speaker 1: It sounds like he's not really taking responsibility for it, like, well,

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Speaker 1: if it were not for these guys, they you know,

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Speaker 1: Now I'm always concerned about Charret because I feel like

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Speaker 2: A lot of people have said that, And you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is the first person that is like,

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Speaker 1: never be comfortable on television. That doesn't mean he's not

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Speaker 1: That's like, Okay, I'm comfortable with being on camera now

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Speaker 3: I'm going that's a problem.

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Speaker 1: The way that you explained to me that it ended

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Speaker 1: with melody, I don't And this was not that long ago.

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Speaker 2: By the way, No, they've been divorced for two years.

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Speaker 1: Because four children. He's got four children. He really has

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Speaker 3: This is bad news.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the situation is bad news? Or do

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Speaker 3: Here's what I know to be true.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I know that once somebody is on a television show,

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Speaker 2: Do you think there is a world where a leopard

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Speaker 2: If you meet a guy and he has no desire

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Speaker 3: You can say that, Why can't you say that? What

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Speaker 1: A It's really hard for me to date because I'm

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Speaker 3: That's a problem for me.

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Speaker 1: Number two, they're a private person, they work in accounting,

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Speaker 2: Talk about it.

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Speaker 3: That's your life story.

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Speaker 1: I'm deeply in love and I'm struggling because I would

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Speaker 1: The problem with Kim is like, no, there are no

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Speaker 1: You live in this condo, you have two daughters, you

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Speaker 1: What a horrible man. You're married and you have two children.

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Speaker 2: Seasons one and two, she was dating Big Papa. Right

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Speaker 3: For a hot minute. Yeah, that made no sense either.

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Speaker 1: And that's why and that's why these shoes are important.

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Speaker 1: What happened to him? Is he like not in his

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Speaker 1: Kim made him rid himself of the people in his life.

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Speaker 1: She like cuts people off. She's like, nope, you're a hater, goodbye.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I listen. I think that they're at a cellular level.

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Speaker 3: Was true love?

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Speaker 1: I do believe they loved each other, but there's too

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Speaker 3: The betrayal is this, he betrayed her.

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Speaker 3: I sure did. Do I think she's dating someone now?

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Speaker 2: That is not easy, right you have but no child

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Speaker 1: Yes, you have to be a responsible adult in terms

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Speaker 3: Ok, Ksey, I don't know what do you think?

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about what happened prior to the falling

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Speaker 1: To thank you because you got to mention the gambling,

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Speaker 3: That's a betrayal.

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Speaker 1: Gambling is a betrayal in a marriage. It is it's

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Speaker 2: Oh one thousand percent. So prior to the filing of divorce, right,

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Speaker 2: there were countless articles with receipts allegedly of Kim and

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Speaker 1: Well, I did worry about that, but then I asked

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, the industry has.

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Speaker 1: That stress is getting to you and your husband, who

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Speaker 3: She's gonna cut and run. She'll find someone else who

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Speaker 2: Hmm. Okay, So let me fill you in on when

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Speaker 2: She said, Carlos, come on, Kroy has I said, it's okay,

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Speaker 2: No, But we talk about the code dependency relationship, and you.

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Speaker 1: He has to drive you everywhere, and that you can't

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Speaker 1: get it on an elevator, and you can't get upstairs,

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Speaker 1: and you can't drink from a normal glass.

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Speaker 2: I forgot about the normal glass.

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Speaker 3: I mean, God, like, we're all complete.

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Speaker 1: I'm not complicit, but people are complicit and wildly weird.

446
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Speaker 2: Behavior now because the reality stars so no, I'm going

447
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Speaker 2: to say this, and this is why I'm listen, because

448
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: you are so smart speaking as a producer and somebody

449
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Speaker 2: who's worked with these ladies early on in their careers

450
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Speaker 2: are reality television. One of the things you say as

451
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Speaker 2: producer is if they were normal, they would not be

452
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Speaker 2: on team.

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Speaker 3: Be on the show.

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Speaker 1: And I respect that because I just talked to Alex

455
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Speaker 1: Baskin from vanderm Pump Roles and we did talk about

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Speaker 1: you have to let the story play out, So I

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Speaker 1: do get that to some degree. However, I do think

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Speaker 1: the problem too with these stars is that they encircle

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Speaker 1: themselves with people in their orbit, their hair and makeup team,

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Speaker 1: their talent agent, their managers, the person that runs their

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Speaker 1: social media, the person that picks up their shoes, who

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Speaker 1: watches their children, gets them a salad. They all tell

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Speaker 1: them that they're the greatest person that walk the earth,

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Speaker 1: and everything that they do that's bombastic and delusional and

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Speaker 1: diabolical is the funniest thing that ever existed in the world.

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Speaker 3: And therefore they.

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Speaker 1: Dial it up and then people on social media call

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Speaker 1: them in a queen and an icon and it never ends.

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Speaker 1: So they need someone like me and their world to go.

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Speaker 1: You've lost your mind, you lost the plot. You need

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Speaker 1: to land the plane, come back to a planet Earth

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Speaker 1: where we all live. Unfortunately, for Kim, that means the

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Speaker 1: people who work for the irs.

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Speaker 2: Oh sister, Okay, First of all, that was such a

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Speaker 2: drop the mic moment. But sis, it's a podcast. I

476
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Speaker 2: gotta tap it. That can you guys hear this Kate

477
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Speaker 2: drop the mic? But it's true. You know it, honey,

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Speaker 2: I'm about to confirm it for you. When it comes

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Speaker 2: to these reality stars, not all, but some A large

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Speaker 2: A large sum right, okay, s um some a large

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Speaker 2: some of them?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: They are delusional. It's everything you said. They have their

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Speaker 2: glam squad, their talent agent, talent manager. They've got their

485
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Speaker 2: fan base, they got social media who feeds the ego

486
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Speaker 2: and the monster, and they become this person who no

487
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Speaker 2: longer has any sort of relatability to the world. They

488
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 2: don't have any sort of pulse to what's happening in

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Speaker 2: the real world, which is why when you talk to them,

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Speaker 2: they only talk about themselves for the entire thirty minutes

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Speaker 2: of the conversation. They never asked that.

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Speaker 1: They don't even know how to ask you a question.

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Speaker 1: They don't know how to ask you a question that

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Speaker 1: is the most simple, basic thing. My kids do it well,

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Speaker 1: and nephews do it well. They don't know how.

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Speaker 3: To do that. How are you today?

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Speaker 1: I remember I interviewed the executive producer of Rock of Love,

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Speaker 1: remember that with Brett michaels Ary, and he said, Kate,

499
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Speaker 1: we had to teach him how to date. He didn't

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Speaker 1: know because his dating was opening the door and there

501
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: was a groupie who would like, I'll give him a blowjob. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So they had to be like, you have to ask

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Speaker 1: a girl, what's your name?

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Speaker 3: Where are you from? Do you like soda?

505
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Speaker 1: Like basic stuff because they don't know because it's all

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Speaker 1: about them all the time.

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Speaker 3: They don't know how to ask questions.

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Speaker 1: So a seemingly normal person goes through life, gets a

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Speaker 1: college degree, works, may even start a family, and then

510
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Speaker 1: they become a reality star and all of that disappears

511
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Speaker 1: and they become this insane version of themselves who can

512
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Speaker 1: no longer ask how are you?

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Speaker 3: What's your name's?

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Speaker 1: No, those days are gone, gone, compromised, compromised by the system.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it happens normally a little after season two.

516
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Speaker 2: It just maybe. And I'm gonna say this to y'all

517
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 2: never said this anybody. The moment you know you lost

518
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 2: a reality star forever is when they say I'm the

519
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Speaker 2: star of the show. Oh boy. They cannot come back

520
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: from that. They're gone. That's when you have to, as

521
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Speaker 2: a producer, say this person is so far gone that

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Speaker 2: it's not going to end well. And listen, I can

523
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Speaker 2: promise you it never ends well. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I remember talking to a real housewife once that said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've talked to the producer and they're building

526
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Speaker 1: the whole show around me. You know what, You're wrong,

527
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: And she got so mad at me, and our friendship

528
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: was never the same.

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Speaker 2: Gasp, Listen, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. So that's

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Speaker 2: what happens.

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Speaker 3: Normal people.

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Speaker 1: Their balloons are going up in the sky and we're

533
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Speaker 1: pulling down the strings. They don't want someone to pull

534
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Speaker 1: the strings down.

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Speaker 2: That's a good visual. It is true, it is true,

536
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: and that's the reason why I look. Sometimes the reality

537
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: star does not last on the show for that very reason,

538
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: because their ego is inflated. And when you look at

539
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: what's happening right now and look, I will say this

540
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: cam who I met in two thousand and eight to now,

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Speaker 2: she is the same person in the sense of she's

542
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: always had this extreme confidence and this world that made

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Speaker 2: sense to her. And being completely honest with you, Kate, I.

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Speaker 3: Think it's okay to be confident.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's okay to discount other people and

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00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: to assume someone else would do the work for you.

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Speaker 3: That's what I don't like.

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Speaker 2: No, I cannot agree. More So, what do you make

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Speaker 2: of the fact that Timzy's reporting that CAMERCROI are still

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Speaker 2: living under the same route.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they have a choice. What are they

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Speaker 1: going to live with Rose the psychic? I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's anywhere else to live and I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of couples have to do that, which again is like

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00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: welcome to the real world. This is like a lot

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Speaker 1: how a lot of people have to live day to

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00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: day the fact that they were in this situation. And

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00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: she would gamble and then buy luxury items and then

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00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: if anybody asked her about it, she'd like, you're a hater,

560
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm not leaving this house, Like there's just there's

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00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: a disconnect there, which, again to your point, you have

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Speaker 1: to be somewhat disconnected to sign up to be on

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Speaker 1: a reality show.

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Speaker 2: Well, you absolutely, because.

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Speaker 1: You and you and I are too plugged into the world.

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Speaker 1: We care too much about the people around us and

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Speaker 1: the after math the decisions we make. To be on

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Speaker 1: a reality show, you have to somewhat disconnect yourself from that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, one percent. And that's the reason why. One

570
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: thing that people don't know okay, and I would love

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Speaker 2: you to explain this because a lot of people are like, Okay, fine,

572
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: why are you living under the same roof when you

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Speaker 2: are divorceeing? And we saw some of this on the

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Speaker 2: Real Housewives of Miami with Lena and Lisa.

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Speaker 1: Well, because the minute someone leaves the house, you've lost control.

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00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: It's a whole power dynamic the minute you leave, and

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00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: then that trickles down into the child support discussions. It's

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Speaker 1: almost like they're signaling, well, if I leave and then

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Speaker 1: I'm going to move into an apartment in Mariette or

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Speaker 1: wherever they are, then would that apartment accommodate the four

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Speaker 1: younger children. I mean, it gets super complicated, so they

582
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Speaker 1: tend to stay in the same house and have this battle.

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Speaker 1: If you could only imagine how painful that's going to

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Speaker 1: be for the four minor children.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so cam McRoy have four children together. And speaking

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Speaker 2: of custody TMZ can I also want to say one

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Speaker 2: last thing, of course.

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Speaker 1: When I saw first of all, thank you Bravo Dockett

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Speaker 1: girls for posting all the details and putting the timeline,

590
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Speaker 1: because it showed that he actually filed two hours before

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Speaker 1: she did.

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Speaker 2: They were racing to the courthouse.

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Speaker 1: He filed first, Very important to note. I think that

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Speaker 1: changes a.

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Speaker 2: Little bit, right, tell me what a change.

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Speaker 3: He was the first.

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Speaker 1: So it looked like because it was reported that she

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Speaker 1: filed first.

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Speaker 3: That she was the one who came to the decision

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Speaker 3: to divorce. That changed.

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Speaker 1: It's like there's something that happened the weekend before or

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Speaker 1: whatever where it was like a final decision. I would

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Speaker 1: assume that she leaked it to TMZ that she had

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Speaker 1: filed for divorce. He actually filed two hours before. It

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00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: was like a one thirty five Bravo Dockett on their

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Speaker 1: Instagram house. So you can go back and look at

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Speaker 1: all the little slides. Also in Georgia, this is bonkers. Wait,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're prepared for this. This is

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Speaker 1: your next project in Georgia. You could do divorce by jury.

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Speaker 2: We could.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't live in Georgia, but I want

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Speaker 1: to live in Georgia right now. There could be people

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Speaker 1: who sit in in a jury and help decide the

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Speaker 1: details of their divorce.

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