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Speaker 1: What is up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Mets the Podcast. As you can see if

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Speaker 1: you're watching us on YouTube Mets the Podcast, or if

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Speaker 1: you're listening today, we're gonna be tear listing every single

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Speaker 1: player from the twenty twenty four New York Mets. That's right,

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Speaker 1: we're going from Omar Nervaiaz to Francisco Lindoor. We'll be

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Speaker 1: talking about relievers that may be made an appearance for

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Speaker 1: a day or two. I might even know who some

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Speaker 1: of these guys are just by their pictures. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at a couple of them, unsure, not not one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent confident, But shout out Yordy over on Twitter. He

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Speaker 1: sent us the tear list. I think he made it,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna just go through this. Of course, make

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Speaker 1: gonna be a visual aspect to this, but we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk through it as best as we can. And follow

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Speaker 1: I think the most important person of the entire season,

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Speaker 1: We've got Grimace. What tier would you put Grimace in

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Speaker 2: It has to be in the S tier, and I

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Speaker 2: think this is tier. Might might alone wind up being

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Speaker 2: Grimace and Francisco indoor, but Grimace changes season. He turned

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Speaker 2: the whole thing around. I don't think the Mets go

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Speaker 2: to where they get to weirdly without Grimace.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we're putting Grimace in S. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know I was a cranky old man about the Grimace seat,

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Speaker 1: but the vibes were incredible. Grimace brought the heat and

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Speaker 1: this will be remembered as the Grimace Mets twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: So definitely going in S year. Mister METSI clearly there too.

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Speaker 2: So I think grimas mister med all, the whole conglomerate

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Speaker 2: of the mascots, August In the steer.

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Speaker 1: Whatever it was, Well, we're happy with it. Now. It's

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Speaker 1: where we get started with some crazy players. Remember Omar

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Speaker 1: and Reviz was on this team. Yeah, where you putting Omar?

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Speaker 1: Because I have a pretty good idea.

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Speaker 2: The only one advice. You guys, remember, wasn't just one

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Speaker 2: of the worst players in the mess this season, he

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Speaker 2: had one of the worst performances in the history of

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Speaker 2: professional baseball, accumulating negative one F four in only twenty

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Speaker 2: eight games sixty nine play the appearances bad offense, bad

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Speaker 2: at defense, bad at base running, literally bad everything in

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Speaker 2: eight WRC plus ninety two percent worse than league average

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Speaker 2: at the plate A very comfortably is going to wind

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Speaker 2: up in the F tier. One of the worst Mets

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Speaker 2: I can literally ever remember.

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Speaker 1: If we ever run back that worst Mets bracket, Omar

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Speaker 1: and Newiz is gonna go down as one of the

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Speaker 1: worst Mets ever, I think. And he made what eight

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Speaker 1: million dollars a year to do it. Yeah, and he

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Speaker 1: made some money through the year before, so he got

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Speaker 1: paid well. A guy that we loved in previous years

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Speaker 1: didn't get as much shine this year. Dj Stewart for

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four season. It's weird because I think

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Speaker 1: there were little to no expectations for DJ Stewart coming

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Speaker 1: into the year, and he also really didn't live up

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Speaker 1: to them. I'm kind of leaning towards the CD range.

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Speaker 1: What are you thinking I was gonna think comfortably D.

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Speaker 2: I was hoping we're going to put him at if

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Speaker 2: you were going to put them in the if. I was

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Speaker 2: going to argue for D because shockingly, DJ Stewart this year,

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Speaker 2: somehow we got one hundred and ninety four play the appearances,

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Speaker 2: I don't, I can't, I really can't remember many of

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Speaker 2: those of all, but he still end up with three

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Speaker 2: twenty five on base percentage. Like in terms of all

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Speaker 2: Mets on base percentages, that was in between Luis and

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Speaker 2: Helicune and Mark Fientos. That's pretty yeah, right, so you

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Speaker 2: can't really fault the guy for getting on base thirty

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Speaker 2: three percent of the time, but he also definitely was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think D for DJ Stewart. That makes sense.

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Speaker 1: All right, man, we're starting off with like the worst

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Speaker 1: players of the year. It kind of feels maybe moving

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Speaker 1: moving around a little bit. Now, pick someone else, shuffle

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Speaker 1: you know what, We're gonna just skip ahead and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go with Jesse Winker. Loved Jesse Winker. He was

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Speaker 1: such a dog, brought so much energy to this team.

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Speaker 1: I weirdly looked back at his numbers with the Mets.

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Speaker 1: Outside of the postseason, he was below He was a

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Speaker 1: below average hitter according to league average. But in the

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Speaker 1: postseason I think he had a thousand oh ps in

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Speaker 1: every single series. Makes you scratch your head a little

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Speaker 1: But I'm leaning towards B for Jesse Winker. Does that

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Speaker 2: I was gonna be in total agreement with you on B.

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Speaker 2: I think Jesse Winker is the exact kind of guy

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Speaker 2: that you want your team for postseason run. He takes

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Speaker 2: a good that bat, can't play much defense, didn't ask

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Speaker 2: him to do it. He's also the kind of guys

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Speaker 2: now we get into the offseason I think, I mean

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Speaker 2: you and I too. A Mets fans have become a

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Speaker 2: little attached to of course, like do you think Jesse

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Speaker 2: Winker accept a three year deal? I think Jesse Winker

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Speaker 2: Winker because he wasn't that whole last month. He was abysmal.

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Speaker 2: I can't even remember that now. It's really strange to

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Speaker 2: think about, but he was so good in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: W wash that the way I think comfortably be. I

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Speaker 2: think also, as we start to fill this out a

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Speaker 2: couple more players subject everything is subject to change. We

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Speaker 2: could move a guy around, we start to feel if

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Speaker 2: we start to feel a tier getting too heavy or

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Speaker 2: getting too soft, we have an argument about two players.

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Speaker 2: We could switch any of these tiers. Nothing here is

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. Let's go with this next guy. He

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Speaker 1: played a lot. He was a starter, Starling Marte. James,

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Speaker 1: you take it first. Where are you gonna put Starling?

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Speaker 2: I think that's Starling Marte again. He wounds up hitting

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Speaker 2: fine this year when it was all said and done,

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Speaker 2: but his defense was so abysmally bad. I'm pulling it

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Speaker 2: up right now. In Baseball Savan, he wounds up being

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Speaker 2: one of the worst defenders in all of all of baseball.

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Speaker 2: Buy outs above average, yeah, Like, truthfully, I think that

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Speaker 2: much he did wind up hamsterring this team actually and

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Speaker 2: starry Martel also also missed a lot of time, but

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Speaker 2: he still wound up as a twenty third worst player

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Speaker 2: in baseball in terms of out some about average. Oddly enough,

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Speaker 2: Pete was worse, and technically Jesse Winker was worse, even

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Speaker 2: think with that, all things considered, Starry Marte just I

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Speaker 2: almost also almost tied with Mark Vietta's for a bad

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Speaker 2: I think I couldn't see, but I would be comfortable

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Speaker 2: to move him to be once we started to follo

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Speaker 1: I was thinking see originally too, he didn't have I mean,

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Speaker 1: he had a bad defensive year. He did get some

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Speaker 1: even in the playoffs he started playing a lot better

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Speaker 2: I'll say this, that almost makes it worse how much bad,

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Speaker 2: how bad he was in the regular season, the fact

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Speaker 2: that seemed like he might have just been dogging it

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Speaker 2: starring Marte's just he's not really the kind of player

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Speaker 2: that's kind of the exact opposite of the guy I

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Speaker 2: So just all that beside the point I think I sick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a fair spot Edwin Diaz. I

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Speaker 1: both can understand that Edwin Diaz is still one of

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Speaker 1: the top closers in Major League Baseball. Had a rocky season,

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Speaker 1: but truthfully, if you're talking about best closers in the league,

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Speaker 1: against the biggest hitters in order. There's not many guys

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm between A and B. I think right now,

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Speaker 2: I was gonna comfortably put him on B. I just

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Speaker 2: But you still look at the guy with almost a

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Speaker 2: he did pitch his best in the postseason after he

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Speaker 2: but he did blow a lot of saves. He did

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Speaker 2: you still see a very very very high end closer

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Speaker 1: So I want to put him BE. You want to

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Speaker 1: put him A. Right now? What do we think? I like? B? Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's keep him in B. Let's keep him in B.

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Speaker 1: Let's throw in a random guy right now. Ooh, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm gonna go with this dude with the beard,

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Speaker 1: the amish looking fella Adrian Hauser. This one's gonna be

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Speaker 1: short and sweet, right, f Yeah, I mean he was horrendous.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember a time where the Mets acquired a

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Speaker 1: pitcher that was I mean almost There was nothing, nothing

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Speaker 2: I will say this, but Adrian Houzard is hilarious. It

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Speaker 2: just doesn't make any sense. But only a three two

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Speaker 1: Ballpeny, I mean maybe that would have been his spot.

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Speaker 1: But also he stunk. I couldn't watch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was horrible, horrible, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, more of a real player here, Let's go with

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Speaker 1: Louise on helicunya ooh yeah, A little bit, a little

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Speaker 1: bit tricky here, because I mean he's he's so damn cute.

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Speaker 1: We know that. We love saying he's he's his zesty

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Speaker 1: little With Merrifield, I think you gotta give him an a, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he came up and filled him for Francisco

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Speaker 1: Indoor and was incredible when he did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was actually leaning there too. It's just weird

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Speaker 2: to have this tierless where like Louis and Hellicuni is

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Speaker 2: But this team truthfully wouldn't have made the playoffs if

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Speaker 1: He was for sure a net positive to this team,

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Speaker 1: Here back at the tier list, do we want to

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Speaker 2: I'm pulling it up right now, but I think it

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Speaker 1: Which is what he does the Braves hat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Zach Short, I think we could put him in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's like Joey Wendell was like a two

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Speaker 2: Sadly, I guess he was worth a lot of defense.

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Speaker 2: As for ciscal Indoor, I think this year re cemented

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Speaker 2: Oh what whaty kay?

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Speaker 2: I tell you what I'd like to make three hundred

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Speaker 1: It's so funny because of JD. Martin Tinez was fat

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Speaker 1: But I've got someone who could join him. Right now.

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Speaker 1: I Am going to go. Hmmm, it's a little bit

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Speaker 1: agree Jeff Inggill's seats here this year. But there's another

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Speaker 1: world like he did wind up not being as bad

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Speaker 1: as he got credit for, as bad as people pretended

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Speaker 1: he was. You you are particularly harsh on our buddy

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Speaker 1: Jeff McNeil as opposed to me.

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Speaker 2: I think you're particularly friendly, dear budd, Jeff mctil. I

438
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Speaker 2: think that's why our friend Jeff McNeil.

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Speaker 1: He I think the thing with him is that again,

440
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Speaker 1: the second half was much better. The injury hurt, but

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Speaker 1: that's obviously not his fault. The first half of the

442
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Speaker 1: season was atrocious. It was terrible. He was almost unplayable.

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Speaker 1: He has more value, Yeah, he has more value to

444
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Speaker 1: this team than his numbers show, because of the ability

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Speaker 1: to play in field and outfield, and he was hitting

446
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Speaker 1: really well in the second half. I think if you

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Speaker 1: asked him how a season was, I think he'd put

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Speaker 1: him there. I think he'd say I had an okay season.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he'd even say he had a bad season, and

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Speaker 1: I think him and Martey are similar in that we

451
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Speaker 1: wanted more, we just didn't get it, even though I

452
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Speaker 1: think there's still room to be better for both of them.

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Speaker 2: It's funny after the also break UNTI Jeff McNeil shadowed

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Speaker 2: his wrist in forty games. He had a just clicking

455
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Speaker 2: this last thing right here.

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Speaker 1: Let me guess, like nine to sixty ops. I think

457
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Speaker 1: it was.

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Speaker 2: I think you almost got on the money. It was

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Speaker 2: nine to twenty three ops. Yeah, but again, there's only

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Speaker 2: for the games, you know, so I can't let that

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Speaker 2: for the game sample derail from how he was one

462
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Speaker 2: of the worst players in baseball before that happened. So

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Speaker 2: you're right about the seats.

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Speaker 1: Here, seats here? Okay, anybody you want to call someone out, James,

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Speaker 1: who do you Who do you want to start it

466
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Speaker 1: off with? Next?

467
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Speaker 2: Do Francisco Alvarez?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Francisco Alvarez? I hmm, this one's tough because.

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Speaker 2: This is one I think might belong in the seatsier.

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Speaker 1: I could buy that because the expectations were high, and

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Speaker 1: maybe that wasn't necessarily fair again, twenty two year old catcher,

472
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Speaker 1: but he had he had some high highs and some

473
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Speaker 1: crazy low lows. Like there were there were points where

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Speaker 1: it was like, man, Francisco Alvares does not look like

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Speaker 1: the guy that we thought he was gonna be, and

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Speaker 1: then you have games where like, oh my god, Francisco

477
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Speaker 1: Alvarez is gonna be transcendent. He's gonna be a a

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Speaker 1: MVP in the future. I think he's fine. He had

479
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Speaker 1: a year that felt were stagnant rather than getting better

480
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Speaker 1: or worse.

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Speaker 2: Even probably some slight regression, especially in terms of power.

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Speaker 2: In terms of the mental side too, which is something

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Speaker 2: that he can get better. He still wound up being

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Speaker 2: a two win player per Fangrafts, so I think that's

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Speaker 2: actually surprising. The Fangrafs catcher value is always.

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Speaker 1: A little walky.

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Speaker 2: It's a little weird. I bet he'd be way lower

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Speaker 2: on Baseball Reference, but yeah, I just I can't based

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Speaker 2: on the step we thought he was going to take,

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Speaker 2: the way that he seemed like he was going to

491
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Speaker 2: be a real difference maker and real lynchpin to where

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Speaker 2: this team we thought at the beginning of the year

493
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Speaker 2: could go where they wounded up going, but mostly without him,

494
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Speaker 2: even though he's still very consistent, reliable, for the pitching staff.

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Speaker 2: We did feel how much the team lost him in

496
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Speaker 2: that late April early May run where every single team

497
00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,200
Speaker 2: stole every single base on on Tolmas Needo and no

498
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Speaker 2: mind Devis. But I still think that again, similar, if

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Speaker 2: you'd be that physical offers what he did this year,

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Speaker 2: he'd be like, I should have been better, and I

501
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Speaker 2: think should have been better. Puts him in safe?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with that. How about the other catcher,

503
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Speaker 1: Luis Urenz, and I'm gonna have a hot take here.

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Speaker 1: I think I want to put him in B. I

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Speaker 1: think as weird as that sounds, again, given the context

506
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Speaker 1: backup catcher, how he was amazing defensively. I feel like

507
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Speaker 1: he threw out everybody when they tried to steal on him,

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Speaker 1: and that was such a huge gain for us based

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Speaker 1: on where we were. He was also free. He had

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Speaker 1: some really big hits for us at points this year,

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Speaker 1: and as a backup what he did, I'm super excited

512
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be the backup for like the next four

513
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Speaker 1: or five years.

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Speaker 2: It is still a hard thing for me, though, to

515
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Speaker 2: be like, yeah, Louis Urenz B because like he's not

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Speaker 2: I don't know, he's not he's not someone to be

517
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Speaker 2: relied upon, like he's still a dog should hit it

518
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Speaker 2: for most of the time. For being completely honest, he

519
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Speaker 2: had like those two good weeks and they basically did nothing.

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Speaker 2: I actually want to check right now when his last

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Speaker 2: extra base hit this season was, because I feel like

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Speaker 2: it might have been in June. I'm gonna pull it

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Speaker 2: up really quickly.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I loved Louis, I like I love

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Speaker 1: him as a backup catcher. So that I guess that's

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Speaker 1: the debate of what is this tearless? Is it the

527
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Speaker 1: vibe or is it he.

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Speaker 2: Actually had two He had two doubles that game against

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Speaker 2: the Red Sox. We were at the first week in September.

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Speaker 2: But then besides that, he didn't have another extra base

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Speaker 2: hit since July after but he had those two in

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Speaker 2: September in one game. Yeah, so yeah, so three three

533
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Speaker 2: extra base hits after after the All Star break, you're

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Speaker 2: fighting for him. And see again, Now, I can waste

535
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Speaker 2: a lot of breath in Louise Torenz, but I think

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Speaker 2: that I would put him in saying.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll put Louise turns and see.

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Speaker 2: Someone he wasn't Pad Rodriguez behind the plate like he

539
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Speaker 2: wasn't like he can't do anything on Louise Terrenz. He

540
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: did settle it down back there. He was a good catcher.

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Speaker 2: But it's hard for me to be like, yeah, yeah,

542
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Speaker 2: I have to do that. I mean better he could

543
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 2: cost stealing numbers zon his pop time as he was.

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Speaker 1: He's disgusting back there defensively.

545
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Speaker 2: Yeah, to be like, yeah, better than for Cisco Abers, Like,

546
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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's.

547
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Speaker 1: Better than Austin Hedges. That guy was starting playoff games.

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Speaker 2: That is very true.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go with con Delito, Let's go Jose

550
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Speaker 1: Glaciers take a fresh games.

551
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Speaker 2: Had harday for Jose Glaciers. Jose Glaciers transformed this team, omg,

552
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 2: hilariously transformed this team. But just the fact that he

553
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: put together he had he had the highest batting average

554
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Speaker 2: in the National League of any player that took at

555
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Speaker 2: leastwo hundred fifty play appearances.

556
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Speaker 1: Wait, Luisa Rise didn't have a higher batting average.

557
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Speaker 2: No, Luise Rise, not that good. Two guys were both

558
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Speaker 2: gonna be free agents this offseason, Jose Glaciers and Louisa

559
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Speaker 2: Rise be a free agent because he's gonna get non

560
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Speaker 2: tendered by the probably brocast Padres.

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Speaker 1: Really you think, so there's there's some room?

562
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Speaker 2: Is there trickling out of about it?

563
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 1: Have you know?

564
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 2: You've been in Nashville last couple of days. But it's

565
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Speaker 2: it's gonna be uh. I think it's a really good

566
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Speaker 2: chance based on where they're at, They're they're gonna don

567
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Speaker 2: tend him, which is going to be hilarious and amazing

568
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: for your brand, but amazing. I just Jose Glazy's having

569
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Speaker 2: a three thirty seven batting average at three of the

570
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Speaker 2: on base and eight thirty the ops while playing fantastic

571
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Speaker 2: defense at second base and third base. You go there

572
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: at the end of almost every single game from Mark Vintos.

573
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Speaker 2: He did fall flat, a little bit flat in the postseason,

574
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Speaker 2: but he still took some good at bats and got

575
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Speaker 2: some hits when when we need to. He's He's definitely

576
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Speaker 2: a strange, unique, very unique baseball player, very unique in

577
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: the Mets lexicon as a as a thirty four year

578
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Speaker 2: old slapping second baseman who's also a number one, number

579
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Speaker 2: one single recording artist. But I think the Mets don't

580
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Speaker 2: get anywhere near where they got to.

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Speaker 1: Without Jose Glaciers. Yeah, no, I I mean, I was

582
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Speaker 1: almost gonna try and make an argument for us, just

583
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Speaker 1: because it's like kind of really turned the entire season around.

584
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Speaker 1: When he's kind of got here, he changed a lot.

585
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear the argument, but I just don't see

586
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: if he's the door and grimm.

587
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Speaker 1: No, he can't go in the same one. Let's do

588
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Speaker 1: an another one here before we start going into a

589
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: bunch of just random players to get through. Let's talk

590
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Speaker 1: about Louis Verino. We haven't done a lot of pitching yet.

591
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Speaker 1: It's been a lot of hitters. I realized I haven't

592
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Speaker 1: been picking almost any.

593
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Speaker 2: Pitchers basically not actually so far.

594
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Speaker 1: Don't know how I did that. Don't know how I

595
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Speaker 1: did that. Louis Severino, your boy, where you got him?

596
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Speaker 2: James, Luisibrin's a interesting one, and I'll tell you why.

597
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 2: Because Severino, I think what he gave us in terms

598
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: of volume was as important as anything. That he pitched

599
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: the most endings on this mess team one hundred and

600
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Speaker 2: eight two the most things he thrown a season in

601
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Speaker 2: five years. But it wasn't always the cleanest, wasn't always

602
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Speaker 2: the smoothest. There was a lot of back and forth

603
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Speaker 2: in terms of his effectiveness. I do think he benefited

604
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Speaker 2: from a lot of good luck, a lot of good defense,

605
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: but he never really got a step forward where it

606
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: felt like Louis Everrino had a chance to be any

607
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 2: kind of level, not even just of dominant, but lif

608
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Speaker 2: consistently above average. Even though I do love Louis Averno,

609
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Speaker 2: and again, like I'm saying, for a lot of these

610
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Speaker 2: guys in these upper tiers, we don't get to nearly

611
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Speaker 2: where we got to without Louis Everno. So I even

612
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Speaker 2: want to ask you where I think I would put

613
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Speaker 2: him at B. But I might be understating how important

614
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Speaker 2: that volume was that he gave us. But then I

615
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 2: think of other guys that are going to be in

616
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Speaker 2: the at Already I'm alreadytarting thinking about Setan and I.

617
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: I'm starting to think about David Peterson, the guys who

618
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: pitched less. I say that Sean and I are tongue

619
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Speaker 2: and cheek. He had won one few were out this

620
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: season than Luis Averno. But I think that Luisa Rune

621
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Speaker 2: just because he was a guy who was like a

622
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Speaker 2: four yar guy, even though he gave the volume that

623
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Speaker 2: to me, he's a solid.

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Speaker 1: Beat tier player. Yeah, no, I'm glad you said B.

625
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Speaker 2: I was.

626
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: I was gonna put him in B because he was

627
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: again positive value to this team. He was good, super

628
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: wasn't great. He was good, wasn't great. And I think

629
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Speaker 1: that's kind of the difference between him and the guy

630
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Speaker 1: who just mentioned Sean Andya who you have an argument,

631
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Speaker 1: I think for s with Shaw Manaya.

632
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Speaker 2: I do think though, yeah, there's an argument, but I

633
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: think it has to be a because it's like it

634
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Speaker 2: turned out to be a tremendous season. It's still during

635
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: turned out to be like one of the top twenty

636
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: seasons in baseball. And I think there's also a funny

637
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Speaker 2: difference between and I and Severino that we're all going

638
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 2: to see in the next month that Manaya is probably

639
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 2: Gonet one hundred million dollars guaranteed to them, and I

640
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: think that Luisa Veryne will struggle to get a third

641
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: year guaranteed to him. So I think that is just

642
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: a good indication of where each of these guys had

643
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,959
Speaker 2: their seasons. But I g I say that ship man

644
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: I was amazing. The first half of Manaia was just

645
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: like very It was very it was solid as the

646
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: average was middling. It was kind of exactly what was expected,

647
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: and then he just decided to become Chris Sale. He

648
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: became Chris Sale for two straight months, and he led

649
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Speaker 2: this team on a path to the postseasons. I will

650
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Speaker 2: truthfully never forget Sean and I is twenty twenty four

651
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Speaker 2: met season No Sean.

652
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Speaker 1: And I was incredible. Yeah, I mean, I think again,

653
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Speaker 1: We're probably gonna leavest to just Francisco and Door and Grimace,

654
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Speaker 1: but Manaia was the next closest player that I can

655
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Speaker 1: think of right off the rip. Well, there's gonna be

656
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Speaker 1: I think one more, but he would be the by

657
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Speaker 1: far highest ranked picture of the entire year.

658
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do some really stupid arguments for the S

659
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Speaker 2: tier as we go on, but I'm gonna save those.

660
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Speaker 1: Okay, you're gonna save those. That's fine. Let's do another

661
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Speaker 1: picture here because we.

662
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Speaker 2: Before we do another one, we're gonna hit you guys

663
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Speaker 2: another quick. Dad.

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Speaker 1: I haven't been doing a lot of pictures, So wait,

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Speaker 1: Brooks Raley's on here. That's crazy. Brook's really on here.

666
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Speaker 1: S No, we'll just put him in, not ranking Him'm

667
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Speaker 1: just jumping off. Yeah, they're not gonna put him on

668
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Speaker 1: there all right. How about uh David Peterson. We spoke

669
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Speaker 1: about him briefly before the break. He had a pretty

670
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: great year.

671
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Speaker 2: I think he has to be an a like David Pearson.

672
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: When David Pearson went out to pitch, the Mets won

673
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: their baseball game, and I think, yeah, something that just

674
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Speaker 2: can't be understated. Based on how Wins podcast, not the

675
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Speaker 2: Wins podcast, but I'm in terms of a team win,

676
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 2: like every single win the Mets got this year wounds

677
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: up being mightily important. If the Mets will really lost

678
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Speaker 2: one fewer game in any month this year, any fifty

679
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: to fifty game one the other way, we do not

680
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 2: just go in the magical run that changes all of

681
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Speaker 2: our lives weeks, months, not lives, not like defin, not lives,

682
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: but the whin they've just changed our our fall twenty

683
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Speaker 2: twenty four, Dave Pearson's legend. For that, I don't know

684
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Speaker 2: what is gonna the futures go with the hold For

685
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Speaker 2: David Pearson, I don't know exactly how sustainable all of

686
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: this was, and fascinated to see what winds up happening

687
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: through the next summer months. But based on what he

688
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: did last year, results wise, two win player two nine era, Like,

689
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Speaker 2: that's an a guy for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree. And he had some really big

691
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: performances for us too in some huge games. Like you said,

692
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Speaker 1: the Mets won win. He got out there with this lineup,

693
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Speaker 1: with this team. All you had to do is give

694
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Speaker 1: us a chance. David Peterson is almost the exact proof

695
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Speaker 1: in that, give us a chance, we can win this game.

696
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: And David Pearson he did that. And the hip, maybe

697
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: the hip was a real problem. He fixed the hip

698
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: and he looked a lot better. So think something to

699
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: keep an eye out for next season for sure, because

700
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: he will be here and he'll be getting some major,

701
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: major innings. All right, one more picture in.

702
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: The regular season last year, David Pearson twenty one regular

703
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: season appearances. The Mets win fifteen to six in those games.

704
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's fantast stupid. So sexually, Yeah, Tyler McGill,

705
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: I feel like you got to put these two next

706
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Speaker 1: to each other when you talk about him, because he

707
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: got the left, he got the righty, the both big dudes,

708
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Speaker 1: big drip. Mmm. I maybe maybe I'm remembering poorly. I'm

709
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: like C. D. Range, where are you?

710
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, see I think it's super fair.

711
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: Tyler McGill, when it was all said and done, the

712
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: season didn't wind up being particularly awful. He actually had

713
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: an ERA at about four very similar to Luisa Vrina

714
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: when he was a starting pitcher, and that start he

715
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: made Sunday Night Agains Zach Wheeler. That's etched in my

716
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 2: brain it will be forever. I was like, what five innings,

717
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: one run, it gets It's a pretty okay at the

718
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 2: end of the day. But he did step up, and

719
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: he was relied upon for some serious innings in the postseason,

720
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: whether he should have been or not. And again sometimes

721
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 2: he's not performed very well in those opportunities at all

722
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: Tenny R in the postseason. But I just think we

723
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: saw like a legitimate step forward mentally, even Tyler McGill.

724
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: The season that makes me and it still was still

725
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: wasn't very good. But he's someone who I don't want

726
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: to like gouge my eyes out. He's going to be

727
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: on the roster next year.

728
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's I think that's fair. That's a

729
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: good way.

730
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Speaker 2: And if you look at the guys in the DTRE,

731
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 2: look at the guys in the seat here, it does

732
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: feel like his season was probably more similar to the

733
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Speaker 2: Sea guys.

734
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Speaker 1: Well, right now, what it looks like is the Sea

735
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Speaker 1: guys were dudes who didn't necessarily perform that well that

736
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Speaker 1: were on the major league roster, and then d n

737
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Speaker 1: F were like guys that were no longer on the

738
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Speaker 1: team when it mattered.

739
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Speaker 2: As part of that's part of it. That's it, and

740
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: those are the breaks.

741
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: That is part of it. Okay, let's go to relievers.

742
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: Were you have only done Edwin Diaz. I want to

743
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: read Garrett. Where are you putting a Oh? Read Garrett,

744
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: because he got he's got a tail of like six

745
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: different things going on this season. He started so incredibly hot. Honestly,

746
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: seasons maybe maybe save maybe saved the year. That double

747
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: header against the Tigers, what he did that kind of

748
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: changed things a little bit. I'm I'm leaning right now,

749
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: be for Reed Garrett. That's where my head's at.

750
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: I think Bees comfortable to him, Bees now kind of

751
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: being the guys who were useful but not played up

752
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: to their potential or just like beat their expectations by enough.

753
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: Red Garrett the end of the day, it's still just

754
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: it still seemed like work in progress at times where

755
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: he couldn't exactly figure out his sequencing. He couldn't exactly

756
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: figure out if his splitter or his color his fastball

757
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: was gonna be his primary pitch, couldn't really locate sweeper

758
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,239
Speaker 2: that well all the time. Wound up with a one

759
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: point four whip, which is it's truthfully unacceptable for reliever.

760
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: But the only way you can get away with that

761
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: is for striking out over thirty percent of the battles,

762
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: and rig Garrett found a way to do that. And

763
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Speaker 2: I think that Regarrett someone that he could be back

764
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: next year in this bulp. But we'll be back next

765
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: heer in his bulp and someone that I think could

766
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: could have a pretty high ceiling. But I think I

767
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: think be is comfortable. I'd be high. Know there there

768
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: were times Rid Garrett was really bad. Times he was

769
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: really good. He's definitely hard on that BC line. But

770
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: be'es now being fine.

771
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: With Yeah, Bet seems like a good one. I do

772
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: want to let's just slip in one hitter before he'd

773
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: go on another run of pitchers here, Harrison Bader, We're

774
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: gonna but old city boy.

775
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: The worst part about Harrison Bather is that he is

776
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: always exactly what he is like he'll show anything different.

777
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: He'll show you spurts of like, oh, here comes Harrison

778
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 2: Bayer's actually gonna figure out hitting. Harrison Baylor has never

779
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: ever figured that hitting. But he's still just one of

780
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: the best defensive center fielders in baseball. But seeing a

781
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: two to eighty four on base percentage and four hundred

782
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: play appearances, which what do we tell you guys in

783
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: the preseason, Harrison Bather will not get more than five

784
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: hundre play appearance. Canna between four hundred and five hundred

785
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: play the great defense, But eventually you're gonna realize he's

786
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: that bad of a hitting that it's gonna just be

787
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: hard to hard to put him up there more. But

788
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: one of the best defensive players the team. I think

789
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: he's another guy just goes right comfortably in that seatsier.

790
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: He gave you.

791
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: Exactly what you knew you were gonna get out of him.

792
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: But no more, no less either.

793
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: He is what we thought he is a defensive center

794
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: fielder and that's exactly where he goes right in that

795
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: seed tier range. Michael Tonkin the sleeper cell. Remember he

796
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: was a part of this team. I'm not gonna ask you,

797
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: we're just gonna throw him in f and unfortunately throw

798
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Speaker 1: my guy Jake deekman En f too. Just two guys

799
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Speaker 1: the hardest, Yeah, one of the hardest. Started the year

800
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: off part of this Mets bullpen that these are two

801
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: guys they paid money for. These weren't even like free dudes.

802
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: They were like contract do you take him?

803
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: Was a little bit of money?

804
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: Well, he was like two million dollars and Deacmon I

805
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: think was.

806
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: Like three or four, right, Deacon was a few Deacmon

807
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: had a five sixty. There's two innings with Walker. It's

808
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: unbelievably bad.

809
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, we're gonna talk about how hard

810
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: we hit on Ryan's Stanic boy.

811
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Speaker 2: Do we miss on Jake Deacmon, Jake Deepen, distrack out

812
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: Aaron Judge two guys on ninth inning though.

813
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: That is true. Yeah, he did get that and then

814
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: was cut. Yeah.

815
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: Oh you puoed Brooks rally before and I only remember

816
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: this just to go it feels like this year was

817
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: that long. Brooks really pitched seven innings this year and

818
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: didn't give up an run. He pitched seven innings, don't

819
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: remember them April. Yeah, after the first week of the year,

820
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: did you give it a run, No, no runs a

821
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: Brooks second, Lena. We gotta put Brooks Reila Ina. Oh man,

822
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: some of these pictures, the names are coming back to me,

823
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: and it's crazy. Johann Ramirez, Oh my god, where do where.

824
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: Do we put him? He?

825
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: I think he's got to get a bat of b right.

826
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Speaker 1: He kind of killed Thers a little bit there was

827
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: I mean not I.

828
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: Wouldn't say he killed the Brewers, but I think Johann

829
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: Ramirez did something that was like meaningful to the Mets

830
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: in the moment. He was a bad picture when he

831
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: was on the mound, but I I don't know that.

832
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: I guess you gottaut him in see.

833
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: But he was so bad he literally only he threw. Yeah,

834
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: that's great. He goes and see for that.

835
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: We could put him back down and betch it, we'll

836
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: rehash some of these as we started to put more players. Maybe,

837
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: but I'm putting him to see for that move.

838
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: Okay, real guy to talk about here. Let's go with Sanga.

839
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: How do you rate his year? Oh?

840
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: You almost can't. I don't know. I guess I'll just

841
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: say put him and see him and Jo next to

842
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: each other. Is gonna look funny on this graphic.

843
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: But it's super funny.

844
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 2: I give cod I is getting vilified a little bit

845
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: because of that Game one start, but I think I

846
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: think looking back, the hindsight is that, like maybe he

847
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: shouldn't have started that game. I don't know, But then

848
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: you'll think of thinking about Coda sang this year and

849
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: how much bullshit he had to deal with health wise,

850
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: the fact that he made four appearances this year and

851
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: they were against the Break, the Phillies, the Dodgers, and

852
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: the Dodgers, Like, that's still just a dog. That's a

853
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: guy I trust so much going forward, This guy who

854
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: wants it very badly. He was in the dugout like

855
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: he was vibing with these guys. He worked so hard

856
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: to even get and put himself position to pitch at all.

857
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: It didn't go that well, but like, how could you

858
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: expect it to have gotten that well based on he

859
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: made four appearances in seven months, Like it just was

860
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: never it was never going to go that well. It

861
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: could have been you tried to hope to get lucky,

862
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: tried to catch lighting in a bottle. I know it

863
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: will towards Cola. I have a lot of faith going forward,

864
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: but he's just not It's gonna be a year of

865
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: other guys who were just a bit disappointed. It's not

866
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: necessarily his faults to health.

867
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's totally health related. He just doesn't

868
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: have enough to really even give an opinion on.

869
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: And that was also the one thing we said about

870
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: codyle that, like, everyone get real excited about cod that,

871
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: but everyone be mindfuls has been a lot of injuries

872
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: in the past, and the Mets did now get to

873
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 2: beex basically more or less exercises options. We get two

874
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: more years of Corea saying, get the very cheap rate

875
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: we pay him.

876
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: Not the worst thing in the world for the future,

877
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: not the.

878
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: Worst thing in the world for the next couple of years.

879
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: This Mets pitching depth, Ryan Stanick. Will he be a

880
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: Met next year? James No, Okay, yeah, probably not. I

881
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: think someone else just gonna sign him and give him

882
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: a little bit more money. But big his time with

883
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: the Mets, yeah, I think he was awesome in the postseason.

884
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: He was awesome at the end of the year. At

885
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: the beginning was not great. The beginning was not great.

886
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: But if you remember when David Starts traded for him,

887
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: got him. They said they saw stuff behind the scenes

888
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: from Ryan Stanek, like the biometrics and all those things

889
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: that they felt like they were able to make tweaks

890
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: and would be able to get him back to where

891
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: he once was when he was great with the Houston Astros,

892
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: and you saw that version of him with the Mets

893
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: at the end of the season. He was just one

894
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: of the most relied upon arms at the end of

895
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: the year, which is crazy.

896
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: I mean, there was the standing at the disco. I

897
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: also think that we're very subliminally like making some of

898
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: our listeners hate this because we keep mentioning these guys

899
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: that everybody wants to have back, or like, these guys

900
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 2: are probably not coming back every single time one of

901
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: their names comes up, but standing Sally's one of them.

902
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: I think, I don't know. I think a return could

903
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: be possible. I think because you might be able to

904
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: get them on a one year deal. He might just

905
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: not want to move, But I don't know. I could

906
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: see I could see him being the one coming back

907
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: because we know that David Stearns does literally like him,

908
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: and there's a chance that he just got him here

909
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: because he wants to have him here quick.

910
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: One Paul black Remember, remember remember Paul Blackburn.

911
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: I like, I think basket Paul Blackburn right now. He

912
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: seems he went through some insane procedures.

913
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: Really, you know, he was his spine was leaking fluids

914
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: and they said it's not as serious as a seams

915
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: and then he never pitched again. Felt pretty serious.

916
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, seem really serious and under contract next year. Will

917
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: know how much we can rely on that.

918
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: The one thing I will say is he did not

919
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: really pitch well. And I think I think this is

920
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: gonna be a weird one where I think we have

921
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: to put him in d just because he was he

922
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: was a trade acquisition and take away the injuries. The

923
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: performance that he did have on the field was not great.

924
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: I also say this, I don't know. I went back

925
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 2: to standing, I was looking up some stuff. It's just

926
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: classic bullshit, messed up blast James. Yeah, he he really

927
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: drastically changed his horizontal release points in September compared to

928
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: the rest of the season.

929
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: And I think that's part of what certain of them

930
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about with the metrics that they saw.

931
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: That is really cool because he's someone who's much more

932
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: a vertical attack or some changes horizontal release Butts. I

933
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 2: wonder the guy that that. Oh I got do some

934
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: research on this later. But yeah, BlackBridge, just I know

935
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: you just literally hope he can even be on the

936
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: roster next year. I just do something for us. Another

937
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: quick ad for you guys.

938
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: Though, didn't expect it to be this long, but you know,

939
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: we can't stop yapping. And you know what, you guys

940
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: probably love it too. That's up, tearless, that's what we're doing.

941
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: Brett Baby. Before you put in Brett Baby.

942
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 2: Uh sadly Lee and probably a deer n f right.

943
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him in that. I'm gonna put him

944
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: in D because I don't want Brett to be too discouraged.

945
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: I want to keep for Brett.

946
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 2: I will say about Brett because these f guys were

947
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: players that offered no value whatsoever. Brett made major strides

948
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: as a defensive player this season. Defensively, offensively horrific again,

949
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: but defensively, he showed that he is, at least worst

950
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 2: case scenario, like someone who could play third based the

951
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: major league level.

952
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: Defensively, yes, the talk was always like probably gonna have

953
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: to move into the corner outfield or something like that.

954
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: He's a he's a third baseman. Defensively, he's just gotta

955
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: he's got to remember how to hit at the major

956
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: league level. He doesn't triple a, can't do it at

957
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: the majors.

958
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: Y velocity, breaking balls, a whole holeless of stuff. Hopefully

959
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: Brett comes a plan that Scart. It seemed like he

960
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: was positive for most of the year, happy for his

961
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 2: friends that were doing well.

962
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: Brett Bricka, Da, I am noticing there is one particularly

963
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: big player that is not on this tier list. Oh

964
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: Pete Alonzo. Oh, pet Alonzo's not on here? Oh my god,

965
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: how did we forget Pete? Well, we didn't make this.

966
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 1: How did he forget Pete Alonzo? Where you putting Pete?

967
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: James b B Because.

968
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: Pete was still quite good, but Pete wasn't up to

969
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: his own standards, and there were a lot of times

970
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: whe Pete could have done better. But Pete also really

971
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: became once again one of the best players on this

972
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: roster in the postseason, like he always was, always has been,

973
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: maybe possibly always will be. I'm not you know, you

974
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: know me, I'm not going to dive into the fact that,

975
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: you know, his risk wasn't very good. It's never something

976
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take very seriously or care about. But Pete

977
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: again still being one of the worst defensive players in

978
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: baseball and not having the same kind of power he's

979
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: ever had before. It's just, yeah, you have to you

980
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: are you gonna? Are you going for Cee? Is that

981
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: where you're saying that?

982
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: No, I actually was. I was between A and B

983
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: because he he wasn't necessarily as good as we wanted

984
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: during the regular season. He was incredible during the postseason.

985
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: We know that, but at the end of the day,

986
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: he was still like twenty percent better than league average

987
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: at the plate. He still gives you the things you wanted.

988
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: He just it's it's more narrative base I think right

989
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: now with Pete than anything.

990
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: But I think it's I don't think it's super narrative

991
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: base Like if you look up plans doesn't have an

992
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 2: eight hundred oh ps like, there's probably been a problem.

993
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: That's I guess that's a good point. Yeah, that's all right.

994
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: You know, I'm good with B. I'm gonna put this

995
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: Padres guy because I'm gonna tell you right now, I

996
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: don't know who this guy is, any idea who this

997
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: Padres guy could be. I'm gonna say it's gonna be

998
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: the pe Alonso placeholder, so that when you're doing an edit,

999
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: you could just take a little headshot and put it

1000
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: over this dude.

1001
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: Who is that?

1002
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: I actually is this? Oh? Is this Festa?

1003
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: It might be Tyler J.

1004
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: No, I think Tyler J. I'm pretty sure I know

1005
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: who Tyler J is. I think that might be Festa.

1006
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: That could be Festa e f He's well.

1007
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna be the pe Alonzo placehold can

1008
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: be for now, and that's on the on the edit. Yeah,

1009
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: put the face of p also him. All right. I'm

1010
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: glad that we could talk about Pete. Hope he's back.

1011
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: I want him back unless we get on so instead.

1012
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's fine. I'll take one so over Pete

1013
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: Alonso any day. All right, back to pitching. Adam Outavino.

1014
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: Uh d. Yeah, we were one of the I think

1015
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: harshest critics critics of Adam Ounavino this year. He can't

1016
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: go an f because he somehow made it to the

1017
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: end of the year on this team. I'm not really sure.

1018
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: And I do know that he's like kind of a

1019
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: bit of a leader in that bullpen and just like

1020
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: I think Drew Smith and Danny Young were like living

1021
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 1: in his house during the season, which is kind of funny.

1022
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: He's a he's a consummate pro, he's a veteran, he's

1023
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: got experience, just not very good anymore. I think that's

1024
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: kind of how it goes.

1025
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: It's still like thirty percent striker Riach. I really can't

1026
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: believe looking at it next what, Yeah, that's great, well.

1027
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: Date, that makes me feel even better than about Dan not.

1028
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: F Yeah, and it just became that Adam Alvin has

1029
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: become a purely one dimensional pitcher and hy there's a

1030
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: very aware of that.

1031
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: Yes, wasscar brasobaon. Remember when we traded for him, and

1032
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: there were some Mets people trying to tell you, like,

1033
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: this is the best reliever we've traded for in forever.

1034
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: I think we probably you want to give him for

1035
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: a day. I think we god give him a date

1036
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: because he's not as bad as he's f guys.

1037
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think he's d and he's weirdly going

1038
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: to be a part of this bullpen next year and

1039
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: the year after that he is.

1040
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: And I'm not mad about that at all.

1041
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: No, he has control forever, and he has options I'm

1042
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: cool with exercising those you.

1043
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: Might retire and men.

1044
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, that's crazy.

1045
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: He's like, he's like thirty one with five years of

1046
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: team control. Like, I don't know what else gonna happen.

1047
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: That's an insane sentence. All right, how about Danny Young?

1048
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,479
Speaker 1: Were you going with old Danny Young?

1049
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 2: We should I feel like almost we should like rank

1050
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: the Youngs together, Like I'm only half serious about that.

1051
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: Daniel came in and stabilize the fact that this team

1052
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 2: could had a left handed pitcher for a few months.

1053
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: He was not good enough to get real run in

1054
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 2: the playoffs. He could to get some, it was more

1055
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: accidental than purposeful. Also, a guy who weirdly worked his

1056
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: way to a thirty percent strike out raid this year,

1057
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: almost twenty nine point one, much better than expected. I

1058
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: think a comfortable see for Danny Young, yep see as well.

1059
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: I think if you asked him, he'd be like, this

1060
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: was fucking awesome. I was amazing.

1061
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: What's a the playoffs?

1062
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: I think in Turn of the Mets context, it was

1063
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: just like you were a player that existed for us

1064
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: and was fine, and.

1065
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: That's totally cool. I think I think we're all happy

1066
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: with that great.

1067
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And where you want to put his brother Alex I.

1068
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: Think I was probably a d just want he just

1069
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: wasn't as good as Danny, but he was there. He

1070
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: hung out like that was fine. That's the worst thing

1071
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 2: in the world for Alex Young.

1072
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: How about everybody's favorite relief picture on the Mets this year,

1073
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: Jorge Lopez. I'm the worst teammate ever or I'm on

1074
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: the worst team ever. Where are you putting Hora?

1075
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: The funniest thing about Jorge Lopez and the whole drama

1076
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: that came from everything, is that when he was a

1077
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 2: member of the Mets, he wasn't really that bad of

1078
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: a picture. No, he had three seven yr which isn't great,

1079
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: but he also didn't strike many guys out, but looked

1080
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: like he was kind of finally just starting to get

1081
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 2: a sea legs under him. I think just based on

1082
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: the outburst so and one of the most immature things

1083
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: I've ever seen happen on a baseball field, he has

1084
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: to go in D. I don't know if we can

1085
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: put him in F unless you want to put them

1086
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 2: in s. Because he changed the season.

1087
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: I was I was going to make an argument for

1088
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: us or a because without Jorge Lopez freaking out Francisco indoor,

1089
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: and they don't have that closed door meeting. They don't

1090
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: change things like you can literally look to the day

1091
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: that Hoorge Lopez had a freak out and things change

1092
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: for the Mets. Is that good or bad?

1093
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: Next day they were the best, technically the best even baseball.

1094
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: Maybe about see I'll tell you this, I think it

1095
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: might just what we doing here. We're gonna be honest,

1096
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: We're gonna try to get a funny graphic. We're going

1097
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: for a funny graphic. Let's make a mess.

1098
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: Let's put him an S for Halopez. Change the season, man,

1099
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: change the season. You know who else changed the season?

1100
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: Come on, guess who changed the season. Look who's left

1101
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: on this There's there's one picture of a of a

1102
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: handsome young gentleman who's really changed this entire season.

1103
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how young i'd call him anymore,

1104
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: but Joe Lucas was one of the most important.

1105
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: That's not who I was talking about, Mark Fiano's I.

1106
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: Was working around with you. Mark Fianto said, you know what,

1107
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: I know you probably want to put him on. I

1108
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: don't think I can put him on the.

1109
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: S Why can't you put him on s How are

1110
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: you not putting market I'm gonna fight you. Next time

1111
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: I see you, I'm gonna hit you.

1112
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: I just see, like with the sports defensive player in baseball.

1113
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I'm putting my foot down on this one.

1114
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: I will not let you slander I.

1115
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 2: Feel like him and and I, though I think about

1116
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: very similar both in the context of one another.

1117
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: Well, I'm controlling it. This is what happened.

1118
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: Pianos was still and eight third of the OPS guy,

1119
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: mister ops Like, how is that?

1120
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: It was fantastic, It was incredible.

1121
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: It was his OPS plus OPS plus I don't know,

1122
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: I'm on baseball. It was WRC plus jenn In the

1123
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 2: second here it comes.

1124
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: One thirty four. It's gonna be my guess one thirty three.

1125
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: Amazing. Wow, that was really good, unbelievable.

1126
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: We str Fientos and then the playoffs he was so good.

1127
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: He was he was I'm honestly totally forgeting about the playoffs.

1128
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: St Yeah, I take it all.

1129
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: Back, all right now, our other guy, Joey Lucase.

1130
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 2: Pitch one game. He was great. What can you say?

1131
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, he almost took out the Braves almost took about

1132
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: the playoffs.

1133
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: Joe Joey Lukes, he pitched one game for the for

1134
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: the Mets, he gave he actually pitched two games. What

1135
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: other game did he pitch?

1136
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: I think he made a spot start at one point

1137
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: this year too. But and he was great, wasn't he?

1138
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 2: Well, Donald, he wasn't great in the other one's great

1139
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: against the Braves. He pitched against the Phillies on May fifteenth,

1140
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: and he gave a five earned and four and a third.

1141
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: That's pre Jorge Lopez can't worry about it doesn't count. Yeah,

1142
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: a for Joey Luke, this tearless looks insane, Brooks Raley,

1143
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: Joey Lucase.

1144
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 2: Hey, when they were there, they performed.

1145
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: Let's go Brandon Nemo because we're starting to get towards

1146
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: the spot of we're going to start rifling through guys.

1147
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: Brandon Nemo. Disappointing year, I think overall, Yeah, Yeah, it

1148
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: was not a good year really anywhere for Brandon. And

1149
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: I think he had a lot more injuries than we

1150
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: were led onto for more of the season, and I

1151
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: think that might.

1152
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: It seems like probably a plan to fascia is for months.

1153
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that probably affected his play, especially

1154
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: in the second half when he was not really good.

1155
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna weirdly say Brandon Nemo and C. And it's

1156
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: not any kind of detriment to him as a player

1157
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: for the future, but he was just kind of not

1158
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: great this year.

1159
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: I would still super vouch for him and be like,

1160
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: what can you think about the difference between him, j

1161
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: d Martinez Edmund Diaz. Okay, in terms of how good

1162
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: they were compared to expect in terms of each of

1163
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 2: them having hot and cold streaks like that, be seems

1164
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: like the tier for players who we thought were a

1165
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: serious net positive the team but weren't consistent about it.

1166
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: You're right, that's that's good. So you keep me in check.

1167
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: You let me put more Fiantos and s. I'll put

1168
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: Brandon NEWMENB. That's a fair spot. Another big guy on here,

1169
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: Jose Kintana. I I'm gonna I'm gonna fight you for

1170
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: this one. James. I think he goes in A.

1171
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 2: I was gonna say B, because again, when you look

1172
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: at the full body of work, the full season, it

1173
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: looks just really similar to Luis Avarno season, almost down

1174
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: to every single number. So it's hard for me to

1175
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: be like one guy and B one guy in a

1176
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: big game, did the big games in the playoffs.

1177
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: He was a big game pitcher. I mean he had

1178
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: that huge, huge start against the Phillies, had the huge

1179
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: start against the Brewers. I felt like a lot of

1180
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: the time the season was online. Granted, the last time

1181
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: this season was online didn't really pay out for jose Kintana.

1182
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: But I mean, you're probably right it is. I think

1183
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: B is probably the right place to put him. But

1184
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: I will never be smirch jose Kinkana.

1185
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: Never ever again. I'll remember the rest of my life.

1186
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: I take back everything I said. The only thing I'll

1187
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: ever be smirches the Met's medical staff for not giving

1188
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: him a physical when they signed him to a free

1189
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: agent contract that include the tumors, and they let them.

1190
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 2: They let the tumor crack his rib, a stress fracture

1191
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: in his rib. I'll never ever, ever ever forget that.

1192
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how big that tumor had to be

1193
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: for it to coul This is.

1194
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: What I've been saying the whole time. How do you

1195
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: let tumor break a rib like That's in sets very

1196
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: serious thing to miss in any medical examination. If you

1197
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: go to your physical at the doctor, they'll be like, whoa,

1198
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: what's coming out of your rib cage over there? We

1199
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: have to get that thing in a scan right now,

1200
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: So shout out the mess for that one hose Gatan

1201
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: and got one more ad for you guys. Then we're

1202
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: gonna rattle off some real chaos players.

1203
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: We got three quick ones though before that, actually like

1204
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: did real things this year, film Aton. Where's philm Maton going?

1205
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: Because I did.

1206
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 2: They're the anti Stanic, Yeah.

1207
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: The anti Stanic. I think my emotions might be getting

1208
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: the best of me, and I want to put him

1209
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: in F but I think he probably goes in D.

1210
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: I was weirdly gonna tell you see, just because he

1211
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: did have he actually in the regular season was vitally

1212
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: important to what this Mets team was. It's it is

1213
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: the anti Standic. Like Ryan Stanik cannot rise if film

1214
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: Aton does not fall, you know what I mean, true

1215
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: kind standing doesn't have a chance to do what he did.

1216
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: If film Yton doesn't actually like be like, oh, this

1217
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: guy's actually decent the regular season, like film maytn a

1218
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: two five r after the trade he did.

1219
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, you're fine, you're right with.

1220
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: A twenty one percent strack on my as walk right,

1221
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: like that was really important in August when again needed

1222
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 2: to scratch your claw for every single fucking game.

1223
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: Keep me in check, keep me in check to YouTube

1224
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: head sometimes. Sorry for this, Oh man, I almost passed out.

1225
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: I magine if Dad Neil Nunia was a part of

1226
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: this bullpen, don't say that.

1227
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: Just can we put him in a and not analyze anything,

1228
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: because we might have won the World Series if he

1229
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: was healthy.

1230
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: Tip the cap to our fireman. Can't wait to see

1231
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: can't wait to see him again next year.

1232
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 2: Match. If they actually could have had a time where

1233
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 2: all of these guys were good at the same time,

1234
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: if the Met's had the good version of Standing, the

1235
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: good version of Das, the good version of Dad Neil Nunia's,

1236
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: the good version jose Bvudodo who we haven't put on

1237
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: here yet, and the good versions. I say this even

1238
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 2: film Mayton and a healthy Brooks Raley not even kidding,

1239
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: not pig, He's just not being a dickhead. That's the

1240
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: top five ball Baseball, and one that I would have

1241
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: built myself.

1242
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: Oh if it built from the ground up.

1243
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: Guarrett too, if we had good read Garrett, Oh my god, I.

1244
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: Built this for you page Brick by brick. That's my

1245
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: favorite TikTok beam right now. When you get the weird ones,

1246
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, thank god, I did something right. Jose Buddo,

1247
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: booty Body, Buddha, Buddha. This is a Jose Buddho podcast.

1248
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: And as B, I also think B I think this

1249
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: is another one where we're going to let what happened

1250
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 2: the playoffs detract from how fucking great he was in

1251
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: the regular season July and August. If you weren't there

1252
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: for the Jose Buodo July and August relief appearances, you

1253
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: missed something really so four. You miss the guy with

1254
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: a two WERA over thirty six innings, thirty percent strikeout right,

1255
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: that was it was special. That was special. And even

1256
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: the beginning of the year before he lost the strike

1257
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: zone as a starter at a time when this team

1258
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: looked like they were completely dead in the water, that

1259
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 2: he was putting out a couple of good starts here

1260
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: and there. And it's just it's always gonna be Jose

1261
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 2: Buo theodcast.

1262
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: We're gonnaive him a bump always. This is gonna be

1263
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: the fun portion of the tier list we are. I

1264
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: mean there are a couple guys that we definitely know

1265
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: the faces and names of some of them. I think

1266
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: we're just gonna we're gonna take guests here. So Ben

1267
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: Gamble d.

1268
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: Ben Gamble wasn't above average with the Mets, and he

1269
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: went on to after the Mets released him, to be

1270
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: above average there with a fucking yeah, he's a one

1271
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: ten w r C plus guy and he had the

1272
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 2: same amount of walks, of strikeouts and thirty play the

1273
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: appearances and unbelievable when you say.

1274
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: It like that, I'm gonna tell you this, Yeah, is

1275
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: this Ty Adcock the next cock?

1276
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: For sure?

1277
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: Where does uh where does ad Cock go?

1278
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: It was probably one of the Mess needs to add cock.

1279
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: That's a that's a firms he was hurt that guys,

1280
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: this dude looks like a stand up comedian Nate Bargatzi.

1281
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1282
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: It sounds like like Nate Bargozzi.

1283
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 1: I don't know who he is. Any idea active roster

1284
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: of baseball references.

1285
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: I'm on it right now. Every guy who pitched, who

1286
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: pitched an inning for the Mess this year, I truthfully

1287
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 2: can't figure that because it's not one of the youngs.

1288
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: My guess that that would have been Alex Young for sure, truthful.

1289
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: Okay, no it's not.

1290
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Speaker 2: It's not grand Heart. Oh, it is that Tyler J.

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Speaker 1: I think Tyler Jay's Oh, oh, I got it.

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Speaker 2: That's all Saucer. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's is that Cole Sorlcer.

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Speaker 2: I think it's called Salt click his.

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Speaker 1: Name, click his name, look it up. I have no klue,

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Speaker 1: I mean regardless, But if it's Cole Salcer or.

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Speaker 2: Who it's called saucer f that's him? Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: I don't know if poor Cole got a bad rap.

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Speaker 2: He's back in the Rays organization.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure next year will have like a two sixty

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Speaker 2: RA over seventy five innings. But yeah, that's called Sulcer

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Speaker 2: for us.

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Speaker 1: How about remember when Julio Tehran started the game against

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Speaker 1: the Braves.

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Speaker 2: I at first I wanted to see if we could

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Speaker 2: really get creative with this tier list and like have

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Speaker 2: the tears be like, holy shit that guy played this season,

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Speaker 2: which is what the Julio's I I almost feel bad

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Speaker 2: in ranking Julio Touran anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Both see.

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Speaker 2: If I'm gonna be honest with you, I got show

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Speaker 2: got showed up for one game and face the fully

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Speaker 2: healthy Braves and he didn He got hit hard, but

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Speaker 2: he went in with a plan and we won the game.

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Speaker 2: Won the game. He pitched with his heart on his sleeve,

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Speaker 2: and that's all I can ask for. Julio Tehran, no.

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Speaker 1: Clue who this dude is. He has no facial hair,

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00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: doesn't look like he ever has had any facial hair.

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Speaker 1: Who could this possibly be?

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Speaker 2: I think that's Eric Horza.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it is Eric Horza.

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Speaker 2: Or's the guy next to him, Eric Horza.

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Speaker 1: No, that's Eric Orza. The guy next to him who

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00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: looks like Jared Kelnick a little bit or at a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I don't know who that guy is. I

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Speaker 1: was thinking that's Tyler J.

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Speaker 2: That okay, even if even sorry Tyler J. If you

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Speaker 2: if this podcast makes it to your desk, If that's

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Speaker 2: not Tali Jay, we're gonna make.

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00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: Him Tyler Jay.

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00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 2: Yes, So who is Peter Alonzo? Could have been Tyler J.

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00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: But that's rely Pelo.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Chaos, Eric Orza D I think that f I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, I don't know he had to. He pitched horribly,

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00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 2: but I kind of I think that was mostly the

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00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: mess playing in the best situations. Just give me Ad

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00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: because I think that he's a kid. I don't know,

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00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: good kid, good kid. Hope he's back, Tyler j Uh,

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00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I'm yeah, guess indeed not

1341
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: to be mean, but it could be an f.

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00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: Josh Walker no longer a Met. I think we could

1343
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: throw him in the f. He was horrendous, Josh Baccer. Sorry,

1344
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: our sweet Prince Drew, He'll never be back.

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00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: But tru Smith. Drew Smith also had a good fucking year.

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00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: I heilified Drew Smith, and I do not like it.

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00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: I do not get it. He's a good relief character.

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00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: I don't care for it. He's he's he's a good

1349
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: relief pitcher. Probably goes and see though, right I would assume, yeah,

1350
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: I'm I mean he actually a three R three point

1351
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,959
Speaker 1: zhra this year. Oh maybe it goes and be also,

1352
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, guess something names Drew Smith pitch

1353
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: this year eighteen and nailed at seventeen to two thirds.

1354
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: God him so good.

1355
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 2: I thought it was so much more than I'd given

1356
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 2: him at least thirty five.

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Speaker 1: Oh so good. I don't miss h Man Sean Reid.

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00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: Imagine if the Mets had Brian Idad. That's gonna make

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00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: me too upset to think about it. B be for

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00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: Sean Reid, fully right, I guess he has to. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was pretty good. And then Christian Scott, he's got

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00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: just a real conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he has to get a stage just

1364
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: because it did kind of fall apart on him. It

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00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: seemed like his arm did break down. Sadly, that's when

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00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: it fell apart. But man, those first two starts were

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00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 2: so electric.

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Speaker 1: I was lock electric. Yeah, I mean when you have

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00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: porn ucl and he probably wasn't saying things for a

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00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: couple of starts because he wanted to make sure he

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00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: stayed forever. Yes, uh, and that might be you might

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00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: be able to directly correlate his performance to when his

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00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: elbow got blown.

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Speaker 2: Out almost entirely. And he he did get back to

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00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: the major league roster, so he did get to go

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00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: on the eye on the major league So that means

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00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: he got the full year of the major league salary,

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00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: at least the pro rated rate from when he came

1379
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 2: up in May. So shadow Christians God for making some

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Speaker 2: real money this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I think the future is still

1382
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: bright with him. We just got to see what happens

1383
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: after injury. It's a long ways, it's just gonna be

1384
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: a while.

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Speaker 2: Those first two starts, the Rais and Braves, Fuck, that

1386
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 2: was so awesome.

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00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: That was so awesome. And then last but not least, Captain,

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00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: Our captain, Carlos Mendoza. Where we're gonna rank him, I

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00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: would say A. I was thinking A too. I don't

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00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: think we can go S because I wouldn't do S.

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00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: He's not perfect. He didn't. He didn't. He wasn't perfect,

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00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 1: but he had a great as a first year, first

1393
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: year manager. Kind of really couldn't ask for more from him.

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00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: I felt like he was a leader. I felt like

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00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: he was smart. He played Jade Martinez a little bit

1396
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: too much in the postseason, but outside of that, I

1397
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: really think he did use data and was able to

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00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: use it to his advantage and was able to, uh,

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Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for, basically like collaborates. Collaborate, Yeah,

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00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: collaborates a good way, collaborate with the front office and

1401
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: also be a good intermediary between the front office in

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00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: the players.

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00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 2: And I think he was tremendous with the media, which

1404
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: is a really hard thing for a first year manager,

1405
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 2: especially in New York to get used to. I think

1406
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: that especially just navigating a team that was so bad

1407
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: that wound up getting so good. But the end of

1408
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: the season didn't really feel like he was a rookie

1409
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: manager anymore, which I think is the best thing you

1410
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: can expect for from Mager. And he's not really rookie

1411
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: magic because he managed so many baseball games in the

1412
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,479
Speaker 2: Winier League. But it was just a really good overall season.

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00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 2: Carlton Doza, not infallible those he's not getting an S,

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00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: but really good year.

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00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: No, I listen, I'm looking at this tier list. The

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00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: guys who were in DNF really didn't play for this team.

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00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: And guess what the rest of it. If you have

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00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: on a twenty six man roster throughout the entire year

1419
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: as many guys in B, A and S and a

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00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: little purple green or purple green purple Grimace mascot, you're

1421
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: gonna make a run to the NLCS like the Mets did.

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00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: I feel like this makes sense.

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00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm only in this list. I'm down for it.

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00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 2: I would like to reorder some of these guys before

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00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: we save the graphics put on Twitter tomorrow.

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00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: Oh we're we're gonna change the names of the tears

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Speaker 1: and everything. For the graphic on Twitter, we're gonna have

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00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: some fun Me and you will talk while we're uploading

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00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: this or whatever about what we're gonna make changes here.

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00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: But for the YouTube and the podcast, this is I

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00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: think the best job that we could have done. You

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Speaker 1: can let us know what you think in the comments section.

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00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,279
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Speaker 2: App James Underscore.

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Speaker 1: I'm Draftnick Mark with a C. Thank you guys for

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Speaker 1: listening and watching, and we will catch you all later

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Speaker 1: this week for another episode of the mets up Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Peace Out, peace Out, See you guys next time.