WEBVTT - Pandora w/ William McNamara 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.160 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:06.960 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:11.280 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done. 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:29.640 Done, Yay, that's messed up. 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:31.080 An SVU podcast. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:34.440 My name is Lisa Traeger and I'm Kara Klank and 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.519 every week we hit you with a recap of a 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:38.960 Law and Order SVU episode. 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:39.520 The True Crime. 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.040 It's based on an interview with an actor from the 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:43.839 show So Much And. 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.520 I guess me chewing. I guess that's become a thing. 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:51.320 I've been eating. I've gotten too comfortable. I've had some bagels. 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.560 I thought it'd be edited out. It will never happen again. 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.560 Hopefully nobody has completely quit based off of one chewing incident. 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.640 But I fail between my legs. 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:11.560 Yeah, oh my gosh, it's today, this day, this episode's 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:11.920 coming out. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.600 It's May twentieth. Where's the fucking time going in? 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:15.880 Really? 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:17.119 Union Hall tonight. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.440 If you're listening to this in New York, I'm doing 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:20.560 show Intel tonight. 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.960 So that's kind of fun. Go watch Union Hall, one 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:25.000 of the greatest venues. 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.840 Fun show really, and you know, I have so much 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:29.960 nostalgia because I remember moving to New York and like 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.319 when I got a spot at the Union Hall on 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.400 any show that was like the biggest deal. I better 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.120 kill it, Like it was just so kind of I mean, 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.399 I still really respect it. But now I'm just emailing 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.600 getting my days. It just feels so cool walking on in, 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.480 not taking not now that I don't take it seriously, 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:48.640 but I feel so comfortable. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:49.040 That's it. 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.200 Now you're in there. Now you're on their roster. You're 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:56.120 a rotating show there. But uh yeah, that's that's fun. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:56.440 Yeah. 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:01.040 We just had Mother's Day. Yeah, yeah, so tell me 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:02.840 yeah Mother's Day. 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:03.800 No, it was fun. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.760 I the day before Mother's Day, I took five children 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.680 to a birthday party, two of my own and three additional. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:13.960 Well this was like, this is a huge moment because 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.760 as this podcast was starting or our tour, like back 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.239 in the day, your friend took a bunch of kids 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.800 to the Shad Aquarium and you were like, how is 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:23.600 she doing it? 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.000 Oh my god, And now now it's you. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.920 My friend took her four children and my rosie to 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.040 the Shad Aquarium, and now I'm doing it. I still 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.360 think her thing is a bigger feat because she had 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:36.040 a tiny baby. 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.520 I had like a bunch of kids my kid's age. 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:39.320 I just said. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.280 So, it was like this big music festival in La 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.680 called Just Like Heaven that has like Rylo Kylie and 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:46.760 Vampire Weekend. 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.520 It's like very millennial focus. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.359 Well, I saw a lot of memes of like how 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.639 tired millennials are after one night at music. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:59.799 Yeah, they're like e for ryle o' kylie, I'm dying. Yeah. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.040 So I was basically watching two of my friend's kids 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.600 that were going and was like, oh, you're going, I'll 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.600 take them to the birthday party. So I took her 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:09.839 to this birthday party. It's a hundred fucking degrees out. 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:11.919 The minute we get there. One kid just keeps going, 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:14.200 Can we leave? Can we leave? The other kid keeps 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.560 slipping through my fingers. I can't find him the whole time. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:18.600 My husband's with me. By the way, it's not me alone. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.920 Another reason why my friend is more powerful than me. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.800 She did it by herself. And uh, it's Pokemon themed. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.960 There's so much Pokemon card training going on. Kids are 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.600 losing Pokemon cards that are extremely important to them, Like. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:32.280 Hops, does anybody see my rainbow peek? 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:32.560 A chew. 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.800 Like everyone's freaking out. I'm like, it's so hot, we're melting. 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.120 But it was fine. So then I return one child 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:41.840 to his home. I bring the other two home for 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.640 a sleepover. They're sleeping at my house. They've never done 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.600 a sleepover. They are sleeping over, and this is this 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.560 is these kids first sleepover. Yes, these kids have never 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.160 slept over. Wow, their brothers their brothers, so they have 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.360 each other whatever, but like and they know me, but 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.880 like you know there, so it's their first stepover. But 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.320 it goes great. And so I woke up on Mother's 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.800 Day with four children in my house. So then their 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.160 mom picks them up. We went to Delia as a 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.720 place you and I like for a little. I think 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.000 is an understatement. I would say love. 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:16.200 I would say still the best breakfast burrito I've ever had. 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.200 Yeah, I love it, and I hash Browns are like 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.919 perfectly crunchy. I think that's what I miss and like 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:22.479 it is. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.000 I got to get a hash brown. No, it's in them, 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:25.960 it's in the potato. 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:29.080 But I don't do the burrito. I love the I 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.279 forgot you're an enchilada girl. I only have gotten the 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.919 breakfast burritos. There I get the enchiladas in a Beigos 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:35.120 and Pasadena. 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.440 Oh right, yeah, but the but but I have had 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.200 those burritos and the hash brown inside is a fucking 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:41.760 game changer. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:42.600 I love it so much. 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:47.719 But I just like going it's a cash only casual place. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.839 I don't want to go to some fancy ass brunch 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:51.040 where my kids are going to be annoying. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.520 It's not like in a deeper way, it's also part 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.280 of the old world of this like gentrified neighborhood, you know. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:01.480 So it's also like it's just as like charm from 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:05.400 a different era and it's just so good, Like, yeah, 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:06.960 you can't get it on Postma. 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:08.599 It's like get your ass over there. 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.280 Yeah, you gotta go get it, get your cash out. 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:12.320 So true. 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.279 And it's cash, which almost any other place it's cash, 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.279 like what is this a drug front? But this place, 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.240 I'm like, you know, they just do cash. They're from 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:23.880 another time. But yeah, like it was great because I 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:25.880 like last year, I think we did Highland Cafe for 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:27.719 my birthday, Like I just want to go somewhere where 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.120 it's like no reservation, just give me a number, bring 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.560 me my food, whatever. And then I got my afternoon off, 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.919 I went to this nice pool at the at this 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.440 hotel which you gotta name names. Oh, I went to 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.360 the pool at the Langham I thought in Pasadena, which 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.800 they have doubled. They have a second pool now they 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.839 have a new saltwater pool. So and it's kind of 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:49.720 fun to be at the pool. I'm just gonna say, 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.039 it's kind of fun to be at the pool with 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.640 a friend and see the moms there with their kids 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.960 and be like, I'm glad that's not me. I'm happy 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.120 that that's how people decide to do their day and 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.719 that they want their kid in a floaty flashing them 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.000 in the pool. And I'm just so happy it's not me. 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.600 For me, that's for me on Mother's Day. Yeah, and 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:06.240 then I went to. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:07.120 Go see. 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.520 A comic we are both friends with do an outdoor. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:18.320 Our friends are opened. I just saw everything on Instagram. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:23.000 But I'm like so curious about the gown, the window, 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:24.560 the law, Like. 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.080 I am so curious about it all. I mean, I'm 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:28.919 sure you could shout out who it is. She probably 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:29.320 wants people. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.000 Oh yeah, she's already posted about it. This is Megan Gaily. 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.800 Megan Gaily is like eight months pregnant and is filmed 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.440 a special in her at her house, which I was 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.400 kind of like, you know, I just was like, what's 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:43.200 that going to look like? 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.120 And then it just really did look beautiful. 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.480 Like she has like a cool view from her house, 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.279 although like she makes fun of it in the special, 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.480 she's like, yeah, you can see a Domino's a very 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.000 active train track, Like you know, it's not like we're 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:55.920 looking at the Hollywood sign, but you are looking at 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.039 like beautiful mountains in California behind her, and it's it 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.360 was as the sun was. And she has a three 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.920 year old and he was up in the window watching it, 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:08.680 you know, I mean he can't really hear much, but 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.680 like so she's at a certain times she references him 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:13.320 and is like waving to him and stuff, and that 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:14.200 was cute. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.280 But there were like fun girls there that I. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:20.080 Liked seeing, and had another glass of wine and someone 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.240 was driving me, which I always love, like, so it 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.480 was it was great and then. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.760 I love's the Keto good evenings. Someone was driving me. 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.440 I was glad that well because I would have stopped drinking, 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.240 you know, like because I had a couple drinks at 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.080 the pool. But I was okay, and then I was like, well, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.239 if I go to this thing, I can't really drink anymore. 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.840 And someone drove me that she taped it her on 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.080 Mother's Day. Okay, cool, cool, yeah. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:48.800 Okay, yeah, yeah yeah and yeah, and I actually don't 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:50.600 know the details of the dress, but I thought it 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:55.880 looked great, and uh yeah, it was fun we were 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:57.880 and then yeah it was I didn't know that our 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.160 friend Clark was opening and then he was calling me 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.040 out in the he was calling me out and the 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:07.320 in his opening the Megan was calling me out for 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.360 having botox in my butt, which I think I've. 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:10.520 Talked about on this podcast. 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.920 Well, it's so funny because I just did another episode 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.960 of Steph's podcasts and she brought up these like butt cuts, 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:20.960 like I should know and would know, and I was 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:24.160 like what and then she goes, well, I just assumed, 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:25.920 Cara what She goes, I guess it's crazy for me 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:27.600 to assume. But the Carroa would have told you about 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:28.920 the butt cut. And then I was like, no, I 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:30.520 actually do now, rem I've. 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.319 Told you, Yeah you did. I'm sure you buried it 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.839 deep down inside because it's not something you want to 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:36.840 think about exactly. 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.920 Okay, like I remembered again, but she was very much 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.000 like of course, you know, and I'm like, this. 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.400 Isn't something that I feel so bad for her because 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.679 she's having a really hard time. And it's like I 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.679 know what I was getting myself into, you know, like 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.040 I got pregnant and had a baby. 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:53.600 That's like kind of where this came from. 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.840 She just like can't get it to go away, and 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.439 like I'm and I are texting about it all the. 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.000 Time, poor thing. 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:06.760 So you probably see that I am rubbing my head. 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.320 So okay, I will say, in LA, they know how 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.440 to get me. They make Uber blacks only like three 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.240 dollars more expensive, and I'm gonna get it for three dollars. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.640 I'll sit in an escalade like you got me, you 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.960 know what I mean? Because in New York, the Uber 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.760 Blacks are like at least half more like twifty percent 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.200 more like it is a luxury. I would say that 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.600 I don't care about. But in LA, and there's more 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.520 professional drivers in New York. I also feel like if 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:33.560 you get an Uber X, you might get a Toyota 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.839 Corolla with just crumbs, Like you don't know what you're 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.600 gonna get as much. But Anyways, So I was used 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.640 to getting into these big stubs and then I got 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.240 I did get another Uber Black, but it was a 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.480 smaller Lexus. But I've been getting into these fucking suburbans 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.439 and I love the attitude, and so I with all 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.079 my might am hopping in it's a way smaller car. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:58.000 I bang my head with such force on them the 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.839 car door rim that. I mean, I truly I needed 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:05.199 a few more, like a real full force bang. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:06.920 On the door, on the metal on the car. 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.680 Oh, I think it's gonna bruise because I already feel 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.880 like it's just risen. I mean, I just and I'm like, wow, 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.120 I really have an attitude getting into a suburban, Like 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.120 I really prepared. 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:20.000 For Chevy level clearance and it just was not there. 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:26.320 Oh auchi, Oh that sucks. Yeah, but today I also 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:28.520 the Uber driver. I did take a red eye everyone. 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.000 I also put a list of movies but didn't write 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:32.320 that it was for a flight, and I was like 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.200 what should I watch? And then people are like, have 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.400 you never seen hocus Pocus? And it's like, oh, I 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.000 was not clear. I have seen some of these movies 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.160 like this, you know, I'm like this debating what I'm 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.520 in the mood for ye, but I make a list. 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.720 I don't forget all of them. There's just so many 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:54.719 movies to choose from. Yeah and yeah, well, first of 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.160 all dedication. She took a red eye and she worked 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:00.199 and we're shooting this podcast. Well I slept good four 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.920 and a half as I have my iced coffee. 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:03.400 I don't know. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.480 I think it's fine. I did also get upgraded to 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.000 Delta one, which changes up. Oh wow, that's nice. Yeah, 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.160 I did my first time at the Delta one lounge. 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.280 I had a new naggy fucking hand roll. And it's 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.520 all table service. And it's not prosecco. It's not sparkling wine. Honey, 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.480 it's champagne. It is champagne. It's from the Champagne region 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:25.440 of France. Yes, I had a buttered popcorn. Sunday, I 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:29.240 had yellow toe not. I had some sort of sashimi 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.600 I don't even remember what kid like in a sauce. 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.000 And then I had a two no avocado role as well, 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:35.920 but you could get like steak fries. 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.520 It's all table service. I feel stupid. 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.640 I didn't even know there was So there's a separate 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:41.800 Delta one that's different. 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.839 They're just like your own security, your own everything. And 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.400 I've heard of it, but I usually get upgraded when 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.240 I'm already there, like I'm usually playing a game where 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.680 I'm like, am I gonna get it or not? But 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:53.880 I did use my regional upgrades, so I got upgraded 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.719 that morning, so I knew. So I went an hour 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:57.720 and a half early to sit in the lounge because 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.240 I've heard such lovely things about it, so I got 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.040 to the airport super early so I could experience it. 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:05.320 I feel like the last thing that you have not 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:10.280 done is for in terms of flying commercial, is that 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.400 service where they pick you up and drive you on 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:12.960 the tarmac. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:14.760 Well they did it for me that one time. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.440 But yeah, Delta three sixty is a goal like Bob 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:21.520 the Drag Queen has it and CEOs, but Delta three sixty. Basically, 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.800 I was taking a flight and on the jet bridge 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.320 during connection, someone was holding my name and I go, wait, 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.200 that's me, and he goes, come with me, And so 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.920 I got in a Porsche on the tarmac and he's 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:32.440 taking me to the another gate and I go, what's 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:33.080 going on here? 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.360 And he goes, well, it's for Delta three sixty. 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.440 But we don't have any cause it's and he goes, 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.200 but you're the next highest, and I go, okay, well 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.760 how do I get Delta three sixty? He goes, I 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.160 don't even know the answer to that. He's like, it's 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.240 mostly CEOs business people. And then Bob the drag Queen 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.240 on a podcast said he has it. So that's all 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:51.959 I know. I think you have to just be buying 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.440 first class multiple times a week every week, like yeah, 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.920 I think it's like that, or be Kathy Bates, Like 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:00.200 I don't know, Kathy Bates getting wet. 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.200 They're like, we actually can't have this. It's a public 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.079 hazard to have her like out in the open. It's 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.760 going to cause a huge block at DSA. I mean 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:08.880 I watched her, not the female matt Lock. 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:11.360 But like when I saw her, I watched her the 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.640 whole time, Like it's like she I she didn't go, 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.240 she didn't move one thing, order one thing without me noticing. 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.520 I saw what she was reading when she was reading 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.880 on what like, yeah, I watched her, so like I 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:28.400 do get wanting. But anyway, yeah, wait oh but the 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.840 guy today, so it's like early I'm in the car 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:36.760 and he had homemade food and he seemed like like 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.000 physically Asian, but he I could I could tell he 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:39.800 speaks Russian. 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.480 And the food was like of the homeland, like I 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:42.880 don't know. 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:44.839 And he had all this tupperware and he was offering 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:46.480 me the food, and I wish our world was a 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.280 better place because it looked so good. But I was like, 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:52.160 I can't eat I got yeah, yeah, but it smells. 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:53.800 He's like, well, I feel bad eating it. I don't know, 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.280 you should eat it. You're like at work at five 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:59.280 in the morning. I'm like, I'm fine, but it looked 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.800 so flakey and good. It did look good. I just 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.160 wish the world was like, yeah, a little different. 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:10.320 Yeah, yeah, no, that's that's so true. Wait, tell me 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:14.360 about what you were doing with what you just recently did. 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:15.240 I want to hear about this. 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.480 If there's any students, I doubt it though, but there 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.280 was a girl in a slip not shirt. Maybe she'll 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:26.320 check this out. I did University of New Mexico and Albuquerque, 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.800 and I brought Jared Goldstein to open and you guys, 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.320 it's a Pali Society hotel, but it was called Arrive. 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.960 It only opened in February. I would go there on vacation. 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:41.200 I'm telling you. The pool, Like the hotel's so fucking cute. 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.000 Everything was so cute, but the food. And they had 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.880 a jukebox that was free, but old school style was CDs, 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:48.800 so it's like more like cool. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:50.400 Yeah it was CDs. 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.240 It moved slow, it was free, and we sat at 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.720 the bar and it was just a culinary masterpiece with 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:03.400 Albuquerque kind of like a portable rices. Everything was well balanced, delicious, 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:07.360 like a mescal pina colada, not too sweet, frozen drink 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:11.160 like le She's like really amazing. And then in the morning, 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.840 I like worked out by the pool, had iced coffees, delicious, 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.120 like we had every single meal there. I had dinner there, 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.640 breakfast there, pool snacks, happy hour, and another dinner. 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.160 Yeah wow, Like yeah arrive. 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.960 If you work for Pali's society, I feel like give 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:29.240 me a black card, Like. 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:34.320 Okay, I love I become the delta of her hotels. 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.040 Let's go, because we were like looking up other places 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:38.960 to go, but it was like such a vibe. We 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.720 loved our bartender, her name was Sherry, shout out girl. 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.360 Like we just had fun. 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.640 The staff newest the next day, I mean, because no 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:48.920 one was really there it's a new hotel, and so 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:53.720 we really felt like celebrities because we wanted a white Lotus. 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:55.520 It's like the poor We did a poor version of 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.960 white Lotus. Right. We didn't leave, we didn't see the culture. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.040 We just stayed there. But yeah, had a good time 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.120 and we thought a lot Well, we've slept in the 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.440 same hotel room, so maybe you would appreciate this too. 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.040 So I'm in the further bed. I want it freezing 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.480 and like the fan on. And so at one point 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.720 Jared looks at me and he goes, wait, it's like 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:17.200 raining and cold outside. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:17.920 I go, yeah. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.240 He goes, why is the air conditioning on? I go, well, 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:22.560 just to sleep, like, I need a fan. I need 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:23.920 cold air. Like, I don't know what to tell you. 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:25.600 And he's like, well, we're switching beds. And then he 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.480 said in the middle of the night he wanted to 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.880 be sneaky. So he wakes up and like turns off 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:31.440 the fan and gets back in his bed. 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:37.560 He says, I woke up immediately. He goes, not even 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:41.040 a minute went by. That's like one time I woke up. 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.560 He said, he just heard thee pet like he heard 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.400 me clicking and clocking onto the thing. 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:49.840 Yeah, one time I woke up to go to the 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.320 bathroom and you had you know, Seinfeld or something, and 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.640 I just space barred it. Just I was like, she's asleep, 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:56.440 she's not gonna need this anymore. And you did wake 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:57.960 up put it back on. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:00.240 You. 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.320 Definitely, your subconscious body knows what you need, even when 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:03.920 you're sleeping. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.920 I know, but I need I need therapy. That's not good. 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:12.520 But yeah, I mean it's probably the kind of thing that. 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.440 If you actually just forced yourself for a few days, 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:14.960 you'd stop. 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.919 But like, you know, whatever, it's just too it's just 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.919 too much. Yeah, and I'm ass going I need the cold, 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:21.520 cold air. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:21.960 I don't. 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.040 I used to do that though, Like I grew up 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.760 in the Northeast, and I used to put the ac 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.600 on sometimes in the winter because I liked it so 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:31.640 cold in my room so I could be cozy under 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.280 my comforter. Like that's that's not a weird. I used 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.160 to do that in science you sleep better but it's cold. 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.960 But basically, like any college gig, you never know what 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:40.640 you're gonna get. 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:42.800 And I would see the student government was incredible. 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:46.360 This guy Andrew, you know, hopefully he uses his powers 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:50.000 for good, not evil, but he had he is everyone 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:51.200 followed this man's lead. 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:52.800 I mean he was in charge of everything. 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.960 And then also was like and if you could believe, 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.520 but I'm also the vice president of our fraternity, and 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:58.960 I go, yeah, no, we're believing. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.040 He was in charge. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.120 But it was a lecture hall for about seven hundred students, 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.600 and I would say there was max thirty students. 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.440 Oh my god, that's always that's every that's so many. 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:15.640 College and half of them worked at student government. Half 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.199 of them brought me like they were part of the 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.080 club that had to be there. So then and then 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.560 there was two like a couple that was definitely in 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.320 their sixties and I'm like, and he was in school 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:25.879 for music. 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:27.080 So that was like fun. 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:31.200 But afterwards, you know, we were hanging out and Jared said, 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.159 I think you taught a lot of those kids a 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:38.040 new way to behave He's like, I don't think they 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:40.760 thought or do that you could talk like that. He's like, 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.600 you really went out. Yeah, they had. I had a 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:45.760 good time. Like That's the thing. I would rather thirty 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:46.639 than seven hundred. 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.680 Were there were there were there limits? 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:51.720 Were they like they don't talk about X y Z 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:53.399 because they do that at colleges a lot. 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:57.600 No, but I kept asking about certain they were being 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.320 like shy about certain things, and then they were like, well, 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.679 we're a dry cans. And then afterwards the faculty like 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.199 person of the club was in the back, who's in 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.600 charge of all greek life or campus, and so they 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.280 couldn't they had to be good boys. 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.720 Yeah and go yeah right. 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:15.760 But I would say, culturally, what was weird that you 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:17.880 might be shocked at promise rings? 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:18.480 Crosses? 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.199 It was because I know, for some reason, you know, 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.520 I never know how old anyone is or what's going on. 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.200 I do notice everyone's wedding ring like I do notice 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.920 I'm usually because and jewelry because I just saw someone 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:31.440 I go ear rings and they were like, oh I 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:32.800 just got my earspurs two weeks ago. 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.040 Like for some reason, that is something I notice. 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.840 I'll be like, yeah, you're engaged or like just last week, 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.679 like I I'm on it. And so I see this 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.399 young girl who's I think only a sophomore, you know, 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.640 So I go, what's going on? Here? I go, you're engaged, 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.120 and she goes, it's a promise ring. And then these 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.240 other two girls go, ah, you finally got it and 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.639 then they're all like screaming and they all have promise rings. 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.200 I feel like it's Mormon down there, isn't it. None 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:59.320 of these people were white, but I guess like you 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.560 can be not white and a Mormon, but it's not. Yeah, 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:06.320 like I don't know, but there were crosses, Like the 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.560 guy in charge had a cross on his truck. 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.119 This the I started my crowd. 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:14.119 We're talking to like this couple with crosses necklaces. Yeah, 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.719 the youth, because the youth aren't fucking, they're not drinking, 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:18.800 they're not going out. 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.240 You know, that is a real reality. 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:25.320 And I just spread something about how like, you know, 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.600 religion has been on decline in our country for a 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:29.720 really long time, and it's kind of the decline is 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.600 kind of leveling out because of young people. I think 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:36.479 a lot of young people are becoming religious like in 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:39.000 ways that they weren't a generation ago. They were like 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:44.800 rebelling against that. So ooh, a promise ring, baby, you 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:46.720 don't know who you want to marry when you're nineteen 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:47.920 ten years old. 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:50.160 And sometime of it. So Jared as a friend who's 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:53.680 a midwife. She does midwife in Albuquerque, so she came 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:55.120 and met us at the white Lotus. 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.960 Okay, and at the off white Lotus. I'm calling it. 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.720 So but it was funny because Jared was so shocked 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.919 at my question, but because of just like the world 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:09.200 and gender. But I was like, I go, how many 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:11.800 bad partners and fathers do you see? And she goes 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:16.560 oh all the time constantly, and Jared was like, well really, 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:18.840 And I was like, yeah, like you thought I asked 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:20.680 that just because I knew the answer. I knew the 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.720 answer before I even and she goes, the issue is 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:25.960 there's a lot of teen pregnancy down there, like people 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.320 people are young having kids, and like it's older people. 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:31.560 But he yeah, she goes at that, like one in 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:34.400 ten are normal. Yeah. 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.679 One guy brought a TV with video games. Of course, 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:40.320 of course you got a game sleeping. 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:44.159 You gotta game sleep, you gotta yeah. 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:47.160 Yeah, I don't know. I had this time in my life. 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.320 I liked seeing the kids. I like, I don't know. 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.760 Sometimes there are these weekends where I'm just like at 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.200 this hotel bar being like, wow, I'm so grateful I 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:57.960 got like, what a fun couple days, yet got to 0:21:58.000 --> 0:21:59.000 converse with the youth. 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.639 It's so funny though, college shows are like just I 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.040 think it's like a part of neperty. 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:06.080 It's a part of comedy. 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:07.600 That I don't think a lot of people ever like. 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:10.080 Consider how because at the end they are I go, 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.680 does anyone want advice? And one guy in the middle 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:16.359 ent no, and yeah, of course, Like I'm I'm at 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.480 a lecture hall and no one's here, Like of course 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:20.640 you don't think that you want my advice? 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:24.400 Yeah, but like it's weird, Like I've done I've done 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.800 college shows that are hugely attended and college shows that 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.880 are twelve people in their pajama pants that like, honestly 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:32.679 they came to get food and they just saw you 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:35.320 talking and they kind of stopped, you know, Like it's 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:38.840 like it's such a crapshoot. The colleges are like the 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:42.320 cultures of different colleges are always so different, and also 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.000 like they're just so young, like most mostly I would 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:48.200 say it's freshmen that go to these shows. Freshmen I've 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:51.200 never seen comedy before ever, and they've barely seen comedy 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:53.880 and they've barely developed. Like not to I'm not trying 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:57.800 to like, like, you know, denigrate the use, but I 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.919 saw David Tell at eighteen, I wish I could go back. 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:03.479 In time because I remember loving it. I remember certain jokes. 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.760 Obviously I was He's still my favorite, but I was like, 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:09.920 was I laughing? Like I wonder if he had fun 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:13.240 that night or not. But it was a basketball arena. 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:15.160 We were younger. 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:16.879 I don't know about you watching it, but when we 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:19.080 were younger, stand up comedy was like on TV a 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:22.080 lot more like I was watching well, I was watching 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:23.119 specials on HBO. 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:26.280 They watched it differently though they just watch it on TikTok. 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.240 So it's less quality of people, I would say, not 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:31.960 in a way like I obviously love tons of people's clips, 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:37.400 but to get on TV was a barrier of entry, 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:40.959 whether the industry was right or not, and it's not. 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:43.360 You do have to work, like you had to work 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:45.840 for probably five to ten years to get on Comedy 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:49.960 Central and so there. Yeah, we watched really good half 0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:52.520 hours and really good comedians that are like I would 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:55.040 say ninety percent of the people that had half hours 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:57.320 are still working or eighty percent or something or in 0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:01.960 some capacity. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, But like I would, 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:03.840 I would go through those lists and see, like all 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:06.000 the people that did the like what was the Gotham 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:10.920 Nightly Show. What Liva Gotham Gotha that a big vers credit. Yeah, 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:11.760 that was a big deal. 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:13.080 He came to New York. 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:15.119 He had done that from Chicago and he came to 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:17.160 New York and was like, I'm I'm big shit. 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:19.520 I did live at Gotham and New York let him. 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:22.480 Know very quickly that that was not true, Like they 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:24.680 were like, actually, you get. 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:25.480 That into the line now, sir. 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:30.639 But yeah, it's just funny, Like just I think that 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:33.320 eighteen and nineteen year olds are completely very smart. It's 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:34.879 just like in a lot of places, they haven't had 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.520 any life experience yet. So you're like, you know when 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.399 you don't get you know, you do this or like 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:42.560 you know, your first apartment, and they're like, no, we don't, 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:43.440 we don't know anything. 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:46.480 Oh yeah, we don't know anything. You know. Like I 0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:47.800 had to do a high school show once. 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:49.359 I did to a school for high school seniors, and 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:52.200 I was like, oh, they've had like zero life experience 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:54.520 except for like playing sports and like you know, trying 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:59.800 to get into college. Listen, let's get started. We have 0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:05.800 a big episode today. As always www dot That's messed 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.520 up Live dot Com takes you to Lisa's website page 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:12.280 with all of her tour dates, our merch our promo. 0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:16.040 Come in Atlanta. I think I'm in Charlotte. I mean 0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:17.560 I'm in places. 0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:22.800 He's all over, she's bouncing around babies. But also that 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:25.600 honeylove code is working again. Somebody messaged me about it. 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:28.240 It's working again. Just speaking of our codes. 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:30.800 Oh and I hope everyone had fun playing the Lisa 0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:34.000 Traeger Grids on movie Grid and oh my god, they're 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:34.920 still they are. 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:36.200 Yeah, okay, I got it. 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:38.000 I honestly saw one of them and I go, this 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:39.600 one looks too hard, Like I saw one of them 0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:41.200 on this. 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:41.600 This is the thing. 0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:45.560 Whatever it's whenever it's box office gross, I'm like, I'm out, 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:47.119 like I don't know that stuff. 0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:49.879 Well, Tommy McNamara a good friend, he messaged me, but 0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:52.960 so it's I I said, it's big actors. 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:53.680 That's why it's hard. 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.439 It's like movies by Bruce Willis that are under one 0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:00.679 hundred million, and he put red. I go so it 0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:04.280 had a sequel. It was a star studded movie with 0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:07.560 a sequel. It's a franchise. Why of course it made 0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.040 over one hundred million. I'm like you're a fucking idiot. No, 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:12.560 I made the mistake of what I did for Sex 0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:15.480 and the City trivia when everyone revolted against me because Doug. 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:18.280 I messaged Doug Benson to play it and he got 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:21.480 two things wrong. So if Doug Benson's getting shit wrong, 0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:23.879 I think I did make it too hard. But I 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:25.840 also need to say I was not the top of 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.719 any of my own like these movie dorks are cheating 0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:32.480 or geniuses. But I only got top two three percent 0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:34.680 and though and then, but I've been playing on every 0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:36.800 I've been playing on Chrome on my phone, then on 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:38.040 my laptop, like I keep playing it. 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.520 It's mine, like I'm excited. So I cheated up. Yeah, 0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:42.479 I didn't know they were giving you four grids. 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:44.480 By the way, if you go to moviegrid dot io, 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:47.600 it's at that hop it's still and there's it is. 0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:51.000 I'm on it right now. There's four grids. That one 0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.040 seemed hard to me. Number one seems like I could 0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:55.160 do that one. The Drew barrymore ben still right well. 0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:57.680 And with that one, I did a lot of overlapping, 0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:02.440 like in that all the categories overlap, and I did 0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:04.560 that on purpose, And I'm proud of myself. 0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:06.879 Oh, and I can do this, Julia Sandra Sarah, I'm 0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:08.480 gonna do that one. I'm gonna do one of three, 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.800 all right, I'm gonna do them right after we're done recording. Okay, guys, 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:21.040 let's get going. Pandora babies all right, Oh my gosh, guys, 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:24.640 we're finally here. Stabler goes to Europe. 0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:25.359 The show. 0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:30.360 The episode is here where Stabler goes to brog. We've 0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:33.000 been waiting for it. It's Pandora. It is not a 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:38.199 weird charm bracelet. Okay, So Pandora, obviously, you know I 0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:38.480 love it. 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:42.159 I also think about, you know, Lisa vander Pump's daughter, 0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:45.240 and I think about Pandora's Box. 0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:46.040 What is that green? 0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:49.760 Well, yes, so Pandora's Box is the myth of Pandora, 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.320 who was a human created by the gods who then 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.359 opened a box and released all the evils of humanity. 0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:58.080 So when somebody says that's why, I do think it's 0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:00.639 a little bit crazy to name your daughter pans like 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.600 this is a person who, in mythology unleashed evil on 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:05.280 the world. 0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:06.320 Pandy. 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:08.720 I mean, like it sounds beautiful, but like, did you 0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:10.399 ever google it before you did it? I mean, I 0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:12.960 know Pandy's probably a pre Google baby, but like, still 0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:15.600 you check a check a name book, check a name 0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:16.520 book on Pandora. 0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:22.160 It's also well that radio, well Pandora that's after the radio. Yeah, 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:23.520 you can't blame that. 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:25.480 No, but I just it's funny that just the word 0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:28.640 Pandora just takes up so many there's so much branding 0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:29.840 around Pandora. 0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:31.760 Which is fun You're right, if it's all about misfortune, 0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:34.360 why would it be a jewelry company and a radio company. 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:38.080 It's just like, I get this. This is about to 0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:42.000 be about sexteen trafficking. So it's like, yeah, well with 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.560 the music seems like misfortune. 0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:48.000 Yeah, the music I can almost get it because it's 0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:48.880 kind of like. 0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:50.320 You're, no, I got it. 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:53.040 Look it's the Evils of the World, or or it's 0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:54.560 a z am I'm gonna I'm gonna change it to 0:28:54.720 --> 0:29:00.640 or temptations that we can't resist because of curiosity. So 0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:04.600 I guess it's just like you know music, it's so. 0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:05.880 Like music, I kind of get it. 0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:08.680 And it's also like once you listen to one thing 0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.360 on Pandora, it leads you to so many other things. 0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:13.280 Like it's kind of that's like the point of Pandora, 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:15.320 but like the Bracelet Company, I don't get a naming 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:15.800 your kids. 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:19.280 Because even in that with Lisa Vander Pumpets like, so, 0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:22.680 my daughter's gonna be so temptatious, No, like, no one 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:25.080 can resist, sir. I don't know if temptatious is a word. 0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:31.480 Tempting I think is the word that's march temptationous. The 0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:33.920 word temptatious. I think that's an awesome word. 0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:38.840 That's like tempting your that's like attempting, more sexy than tempting, 0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:40.040 like super sexy. 0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:41.360 Tempting is temptatious. 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:47.080 Okay, so we this episode, you know, we're actually doing 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.080 two in a row from season four. We usually like 0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:50.240 to mix it up, but what are we going to 0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:52.080 do when we get the classics? We get the classics. 0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:57.080 So this one opens as so many episodes of the 0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:58.960 show open. A couple is out for a night on 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.800 the town and has some how had their night completely 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.040 ruined and are bickering and they're about to find out 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:06.440 that things could get much worse. So he's mad at 0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:08.560 her for not bringing her cell phone. She's like, you 0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:11.040 went out of gas, and she's and it's like a 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.560 phone wouldn't change running out of gas whatever, So she 0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:15.360 goes to some other parked car to see if they 0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:17.400 have a phone. No one's in the car. They start 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:20.880 walking away, but then they hear whom muffled sounds coming 0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:23.479 from the trunk. They bust it open and it's a 0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:31.120 woman covered in blood whimpering. Okay, so now next scene, 0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:34.560 Benson's there. This woman has been stabbed multiple times, beaten, 0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:38.240 and sexually assaulted with a tire iron, and her lips 0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:42.200 are super glued shut. Like fuck, this is a I mean, 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:44.520 I'm telling you, the early seasons have some of the 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:49.400 most horrific, like victim fines, Like it's really like blood 0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:52.000 dripping out of the trunk of a car and like 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.200 you know, buttholes glued. 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.960 Shut and stuff like it's really anyway. 0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:00.960 She also stopped breathing once already and they brought her back, 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.560 so she's hanging on by a thread. There's no keys 0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.080 or ID, but the car is registered to Meredith McGrath 0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:08.280 and it has bumper damaged. They think this guy probably 0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:11.160 rear ended her then attacked. He didn't take any money 0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.240 out of her purse, he just took her license with 0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:15.280 her dunk down address on it. 0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:16.040 Uh oh. 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:18.320 They book it over to the apartment, which is already 0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:20.880 crawling with cops. There's a dead man in the apartment 0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:25.960 and homicide is already there. Homicide Detective Sam Bishop introduces 0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:29.640 himself to Stabler. He's played by William McNamara, who's had 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.600 a very long career, but for me specifically played an 0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:35.960 extremely scary serial killer in the movie Copycat, which is 0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:38.960 a Cling family classic, which gave me nightmares when I 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.160 had to sleep with my closet clothes for months and years. 0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:47.120 The victim that they are investigating here is Roger McGrath. 0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:50.520 They think he surprised a burglar, and they're pretty sure 0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:52.840 that he wasn't sexually assaulted, so they're kind of like, 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:54.440 you know, why's the panty police here? 0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:55.440 The usual thing we. 0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:58.280 Get from them, and Stabler's like, well, his wife was 0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:00.840 and we think he stole her keys and came here 0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:03.000 for something. And Bishop's like, well, the hard drive of 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:05.960 the computer is completely ripped out, but the killer didn't 0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:10.400 find everything. He also missed this. It looks like a 0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:12.240 DVD player. I can't really tell, but it's got a 0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:15.320 couple of burned CDs. They're talking about CDs the whole time. 0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.680 If you're a young child, that's a pre internet thing 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:19.360 we used to have. 0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:21.920 Meet Oh my god, if you've seen the trend online 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:24.960 where parents are going with their kids and saying like 0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:29.720 outdated mean parents sayings leaving the blank them and the 0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.600 kids are just like, yeah, it's so cute. 0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:33.440 What is it? 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:36.120 I brought you into this world and I can and 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:38.000 it's like feed me like it's all. 0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:40.320 Play with you, ye, play with me? Yeah, thank you? 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:41.040 So cute. 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:45.240 It's it is that is it's nice. It's nice. Yeah, yeah, 0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.040 that's so cute. Maybe I'll do it with Rosie. Please 0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:51.960 do it with Rosie. I bet they're all going to 0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:52.640 be gross though. 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.520 She's a real Yeah, she'll be like poop, She'll be like, 0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:56.360 pee on my face. 0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:01.520 She also is when the hammer goes on or turns into. 0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:05.120 A total like psycho, just jumping around and talking in gibberish. 0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:11.280 So anyway, Stabler is like, well, how do you want 0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.880 to work this? And Bishop goes, I'll call you if 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:17.520 I need you, and then Stabler's phone rings and uh oh, 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.719 Meredith just died. So now it's a double homicide and 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.920 these two need to work together, which famously. Stabler is 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:26.680 not very good at okay. He does not love collaborating 0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:31.120 with other men. So Live now has So then it's 0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:34.000 the credits and now Live has written with Meredith in 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:36.520 the to the hospital and then she gets quote caught 0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:38.880 up in the er with a child abuse case that 0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:40.680 she happened to grab ale she was there, and so 0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:42.520 she's basically out for the rest of the episode. I 0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:44.760 don't know what's going on with Marishka, but she's not 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:48.400 in this episode. Stabler is talking things out with the 0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:50.960 gang at the precinct. The husband was clearly killed for 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:52.640 the hard drive, but they can't figure out why the 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:56.560 wife's attack happened. The superglued mouth shut is sending a message. 0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:59.400 Craigan says, like she talked when she shouldn't have, and 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:01.959 they start digging into Meredith's life. So now they're at 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:04.719 the New York Public Library where this woman worked, and 0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:07.840 this nerdy man is telling them, Oh, everyone loved Meredith, 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.480 and he's like, she was really not likely having an 0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:12.879 affair at work. It's mostly women that work here and 0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:15.600 she didn't swing that way. And the guy goes and 0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:17.320 with the guys not to be a jerk, but I 0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:19.319 don't think she'd risk her marriage on any of these, 0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:23.920 you know, literary losers, so coworker jealousy, anything like that. 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:25.400 He's like, actually, it's the opposite. 0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:27.560 I almost had to fire her recently because she was 0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:29.799 very distracted at work, taking a lot of sick days 0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:33.160 vacation days. She also changed her email address seven to 0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:36.439 eight times last year. And he's like, they think maybe 0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:38.440 she has some kind of stalker. And it's kind of 0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:40.200 wild that you waited this long in the combo to 0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:42.600 bring that up, sir. Like everyone loved her, by the way, 0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.680 stalker comes up way later. She does not have a 0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:49.040 work computer. She always brought her laptop. So now Stabler 0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:51.600 marches into Bishop's office and is like, yo, what's the 0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:55.080 story with the tu give me the laptop report like asap, 0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:58.839 and Bishop's like, I don't have it yet. But Stabler goes, 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:01.239 what'd you get off those CD? And I love him 0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:04.480 calling them full CD ROMs? And it is so two 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.200 thousand and three. I was still in two thousand and 0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:11.279 three making mix CDs for people. I think for sure 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:13.680 I was making mixes on side. I was listening to 0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:15.560 things made for me. But as you know, I'm not 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:19.319 really into technology, so I was not making any Yeah, 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:21.920 I had like a stereo where you could record tape 0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:24.439 to CD, and I was like and CD to CD 0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:31.239 and I was like obsessed. So it's of course Bishop goes, well, 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.200 we found this on the CD ROMs clicks on a 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.440 button on a computer the size of a shopping cart, 0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:38.160 and now it's child sex abuse images, of course, which 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:39.360 they call kitty porn. 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.120 But like this is probably what the PURP was looking for. 0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:45.839 And Stabler is pissed that Bishop didn't share this with him, 0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:47.920 and Bishop's like, why did think I needed a report 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.399 to you? And here we go, and I bet this 0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.640 is like very real. And why cops do fuck up 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:54.760 so much is because they all think they're a genius 0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:56.439 and they're going to break the whole thing wide open 0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:58.080 and they don't need anyone to help them. And like 0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:00.520 that's part of I feel like why there's so many 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:06.080 problems in police bungling big long investigations is like women 0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:10.080 collaborate with each other, usually to be overarching, and men 0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:13.160 try to get the glory for themselves, which is why 0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:16.040 a woman helped bust Ted Bundy and identify who he was. 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:20.920 But anyway, Stabler explains that Meredith changed her email multiple 0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:22.480 times and it was probably because she didn't want to 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:25.440 get caught with all this material. This guy was after Meredith, 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.359 not the husband. Bishop goes, you guys want you guys 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:30.279 ask if you guys want the PERV crap, you can 0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:31.279 have it, and they do. 0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:32.239 They want the PERV crap. 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:35.200 So now we're at TARU and we've got Ruben Morales 0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:37.200 aka friend of the pod Jole de la Fuente, and 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:40.399 he is all over this episode and he's sarcastically like, yeah, 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:44.200 thanks for sending me all this horrible shit. Guys, They're like, well, 0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.560 there's two different girls in a lot of these pictures. 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:48.920 One is eight or nine and one is fourteen to fifteen. 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.400 And he's like, the stuff is twisted, but the computer 0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:54.439 is rigged with some kind of virus, Like I can't 0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:57.239 see everything yet. So Bishop wants to know if they 0:36:57.239 --> 0:37:00.200 can id the girls. Stabler explains that all child sex 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.520 abuse images go to the FBI, who use facial recognition 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:06.120 and cross reference it with Nick Mick, which is the 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:09.600 National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. The picks came 0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:12.839 to Meredith from a guy named Nick Toushai at wiremail 0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:16.000 dot BZ, which they say BIZ, but we all know 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:19.760 Biz is BIZ, and so this is a wild email address. 0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:24.560 She saves the emails with the pictures, and Bishop says, well, 0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.839 wiremail has an anonymous server, and Morales is like, yeah, 0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:30.800 nothing's really anonymous on the Internet and explains IP addresses 0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:33.120 to him, which I feel now more people know about. 0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.680 He can only narrow it down to the computer lab 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:39.920 at Stuyvesant College, but if they get a subpoena, the. 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:41.239 School can tell you who the user is. 0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:44.680 So she also saved her Internet chats, which show her 0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:48.319 trolling for more porn. Morales says, yeah, I tried reading 0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:49.840 a couple of these, but then I stopped when I 0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:52.680 felt like puking. So back at the precinct, Bishop is 0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:54.960 staring at a picture of Benson and her dead mom 0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:57.879 and he's getting very horny and he's like, oh, man, 0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:00.480 does she date? And Stabler goes lots of guys and 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:02.839 then changes the subject like I'm not helping you get 0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:05.319 a date with my hot partner. And then Stabler gets 0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:08.120 off the phone with the college and they're basically like, yeah, 0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:09.839 we don't know who this was. Someone hacked into our 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:13.400 system remotely to use the college system, so like, we 0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:14.399 can't trace this guy. 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:16.440 The college thing was a red herring. 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:19.799 So Bishop is saying, if Nick Tushai killed Meredith, he 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.200 did us a favor. And then he references one of 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:25.040 the chat where a guy's offering Meredith three hundred photos 0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:27.680 of boys under seven if he can take her son 0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:30.080 to a motel for an hour, but she doesn't have 0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:32.439 any kids. Stabler's like, I'm not getting this. Why would 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:35.240 this woman be lying so much going to an adult 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.279 chat room to pretend to be a thirteen year old girl. 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.080 When she starts setting up meetings with the guys, she 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:43.160 saves all the communication. She doesn't offer anything illegal until 0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:45.520 the guys ask for it. What does that sound like 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:45.959 to you? 0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:46.760 Now? 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.880 To us, this obviously sounds like someone luring pedophiles because 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.960 we are all now grown up on to catch a 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:56.879 predator essentially, But that show did not even premiere until 0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.640 November of two thousand and four, and that's an entire 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:03.560 year and half after this episode airs. So this show 0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:06.800 again ahead of the curve, like people going into chatrooms 0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:09.319 to like lure out predators. I feel like was popularized 0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:14.440 by Dateline and we it wasn't even happening yet public publicly, 0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:17.239 So bish, I mean it, it was probably happening. I'm 0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:19.680 sure fed's were doing that way earlier, as soon as 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:23.400 like chatrooms started, but it just wasn't like in the 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:25.120 you know, conversation. 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:27.040 Bishop doesn't get it either. 0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:28.680 He's like, well, it sounds like a pedophile to me, 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:32.640 and Stabler's like, no, this is how fed's sting pedophiles online. 0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:34.040 So this woman is an informant. 0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:37.160 Okay, So talking to Morales again, he goes, well, that 0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:39.279 makes sense. The virus I found on the laptop was 0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:42.800 actually a trojan horse that was designed to record every 0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:45.680 keystroke that Meredith made, and it was sent to her 0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:48.160 by Nick Toushai. After he sent it to her, he 0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:50.759 could literally see every move she made online. So he 0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:53.040 must have found out that she was an informant, killed her, 0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:57.120 and stolen the evidence. Yeah, Like, never forget that. To 0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.040 be a pedophile you also have to be a a 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:04.000 grade hacker. She sent tons of info to a federal email. 0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:06.799 Actually, what I was thinking this whole episode, like, if 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:09.880 you are a pedophile, it is a lot of like 0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:11.080 you need to be good at tech. 0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:12.279 You can't not be good at tech. 0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:17.400 Yeah, yep, yep, because some I'm sure there's people that 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.080 tell you exactly how to do it on the Internet. 0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:20.520 They're like, you got to go get a VPN and 0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:22.040 then you got to this is how you access the 0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:24.000 black web or the dark web, you know, like. 0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:28.040 There's yeah, I wonder if it's like, yeah, violent, because 0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:32.000 there are people that will do it in person. Yeah, yeah, 0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:35.239 and knows that. So I guess then I don't know. 0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:37.800 I I guess I don't know the inner workings of 0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:42.680 pedophile mind. Oh my god, this episode gets really fucking dark. 0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:47.200 But so she did. 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.480 Meredith did send tons of info to a federal email 0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:53.879 address to someone named Claudia Williams, and Stabler goes ding 0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:56.000 ding ding with his little light bulb face because he 0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:59.359 knows her. She appears in episode five of this same 0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:03.120 season called Disappearing Act, which is about the father son 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:06.440 Russian mob thing with John Hurd Rest in Peace, and 0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:09.360 Sabler also knows Claudia as not FBI, she's an assistant 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:12.919 US attorney. Done done, And I realized I've never really 0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:16.480 looked up US attorneys like what they are, and so 0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:20.560 I decided I wanted to US attorneys are federal prosecutors. 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:22.960 Who preside over districts, like in New York there's the 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:27.880 Southern District, Eastern and Western, and there might also be Northern, 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:31.240 but like Southern District of New York. Yeah, they have Northeast, 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:33.759 Southwestern New York, and Southern is Manhattan and Bronx and 0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.520 Eastern is Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island and Long Island. 0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:43.480 So it's very interesting to me that certain like Manhattan, 0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.080 I mean not Manhattan, New York City itself is divided 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.360 into different districts, like are covered by different districts. I 0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:50.920 guess that probably makes sense because it's so populous and big. 0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:54.560 But like Keith Rannieri from Nexium tried in the Southern 0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:57.720 District of New York. Jenshaw tried in the Southern District 0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:01.480 of New York. If any of your crimes extend into Manhattan, 0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:05.200 you're in their jurisdiction. And they're a very powerful district, 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:07.319 Like they win ninety nine percent of their cases. Like 0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:09.719 it's nine that's like remember when Jen or ninety seven, 0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:12.279 Like that's like when Jen, I know because of. 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:15.120 The Luigia case. Oh wowowing closely. 0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:18.120 So now we're talking to Claudia and she is, of 0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:23.960 course the icon Pam Greer. Okay, yeah, she is listed 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:27.400 on her Wikipedia as singer, actor, and martial artist, and 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:29.759 that's fucking a triple threat that you cannot fuck with. 0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:34.120 Quentin Tarantino calls her the first female action star. She 0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:37.040 came up in all of these classic blaxploitation films, and 0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:41.160 then she worked steadily for decades. Jackie Brown, Jawbreaker. She 0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:44.239 was on the L Word for seventy episodes. She's still 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:46.680 at it, sadly only two episodes of SVU. I felt 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.480 like it was more, but you know, we did get 0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:52.840 her for two. As usual, stable Er is asking someone 0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:54.680 way higher up than him, why didn't you let me 0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:57.239 in on the big picture? And she's like, I was 0:42:57.280 --> 0:42:59.719 gonna come to you when I had something concrete, and 0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:03.000 he accuses her of using a civilian to do her job, 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:07.560 and she's like, listen, Meredith was a cybervigilante. She did 0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:11.279 this long before she started working with the FEDS, and 0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:13.000 she came to us, and then she goes, what were 0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:13.600 we supposed to do? 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:14.360 Turn her away? 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:17.240 It's like, well, I mean, I guess it is funny 0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:18.920 that you're like, well, anybody that comes to us with 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:20.680 some police work done, we are going to take them on, 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:24.680 you know, like it is funny. But Stabler's like, okay, 0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:27.239 but she got killed doing your dirty work, so like 0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:30.080 it was her choice, so oopsie. And Claudia is like, 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:32.799 she helps us put away five pedophiles in the last year. 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:34.840 That doesn't seem like that many considering how many that 0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:37.560 are out there, But okay, that is good work. Claudia 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:41.080 insists she's just as invested as Stabler in finding Meredith's killer, 0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:44.839 like she was appreciative of Meredith's work. Stabler's like, show 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:47.200 me the files and no bullshit about how it compromises 0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:50.759 your case. And then Claudia flashes him a file and 0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:53.320 opens it and goes shows a picture and goes recognize 0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.720 this girl And it's the older girl from the file 0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:58.200 from the photos that they found on the cd ROMs, 0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:01.319 like the fourteen fifteen years and Bishop is the ones 0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:03.319 he and Bishop were looking at earlier. And her name 0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:06.359 is Mia van Wagner. She's a fourteen year old from 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.359 Queen's And this girl looks so familiar, like I looked 0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:13.839 her up my lifeiress, oh she does, yeah, she looks 0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:17.960 like yes, my face. Her name is Alexis Dianna, and 0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:20.920 she worked a bunch until twenty ten and then it 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:22.880 seems like her career has slowed down. But she was 0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:25.279 in an episode of Strangers with Candies, so maybe I 0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:28.239 know her from that. But anyway, the Miley Cyrus is 0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:31.239 helping me a lot. Yes, uh. Anyway, Mia has been 0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:33.960 missing for two weeks and her photos only started showing 0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:36.759 up on the internet after she disappeared, so they think 0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:41.120 she was kidnapped and Meredith found out, and that's possible motive. 0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:45.279 So back at the sixteenth, Stabler's telling Kragan that this 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.440 girl's local precinct basically ignored the case because they figured 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:50.759 she was a runaway. She packed her bag, she stole 0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:53.359 money from her mom. And then Bishop shows back up 0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:54.880 and Craigan's like, what do you want to join us 0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:56.719 for you? And He's like, I like my victims dead, 0:44:56.760 --> 0:44:57.919 which they always say. 0:44:58.520 --> 0:44:58.640 Uh. 0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:01.759 He found the address of MIA's mother's job at a 0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:04.279 restaurant in Queen's. It is so sad to me that 0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:05.880 you have to just keep going to work at a 0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.319 restaurant in Queen's when your daughter's fully missing, Like you 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:10.239 just you got to go to work like That's I 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:13.520 was like, so sad for her. Talking to the mom 0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:15.840 at the restaurant, she's explaining, she's like, I told the 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:18.160 cops I didn't think Mia ran away. She's like, I 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:21.600 don't allow me to have the internet. Stabler mentions these 0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:23.680 photos and the mom's like what photos? 0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:24.440 Like can I see them? 0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:26.160 And Stablers like, babe, you do not want to see 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:28.160 these pics, like you'll never get them out of your head. 0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:30.120 And then the mom says she spends a lot of 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:34.160 time at Samantha Gilligan's house that Mia does, and that 0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:36.080 maybe she could have used her computer. So they go 0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:40.640 over to Samantha and she Samantha she is pretty chill 0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:43.160 about her best friend who's been missing for two weeks okay, 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:46.959 and the cops are really annoying her. She says, Mia 0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:49.280 just took off and hasn't called me. Okay, I don't 0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:53.240 know anything, and Samantha's like, Mia can take care of herself, 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:56.160 and it's like yeah, like most fourteen year olds. But 0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:59.319 Samantha goes, she's way more mature than people think. So 0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:01.720 they're like, oky, girl, has mea ever used your computer? 0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:02.040 Girls? 0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:03.480 Yeah? 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:06.320 And she's like maybe yeah, and she's being so fucking 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:08.320 cagy It's like, I don't know. If I was fourteen 0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:10.000 and the cops aroused me about my missing friend, I'd 0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:14.080 be like, here's my computer, passwords, check everything. But Bishop's like, 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:17.319 I'm sure, well, actually maybe not. She's covering up for 0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:19.080 what she thinks is her friend, just like being with 0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:21.359 her boyfriend. I think what we find out, so maybe 0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:24.560 maybe I wouldn't be that as cool. Bishop's like, I'm 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:26.760 sure you guys hit the chatrooms to pick up guys, 0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:30.759 and sam goes, okay, whatever is what is that? 0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:32.680 Is that an answer? Like she doesn't say anything. 0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:34.799 He's like, come on, you guys hit the chat rooms, 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.200 and she goes, okay whatever, Like all right, shut down 0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:41.279 the combo, there, girl. So then when they ask her 0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:43.600 if a guy ever tried to pick up Mia, she goes, 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:47.360 am I psychic, like giving attitude till the very last second. 0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:49.560 I do think we should teach kids to be aware 0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:51.520 of the police. But this girl gives zero fox. That's 0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:54.200 what I wrote down. So when Bishop takes it a 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.840 step further and shoves one of MEA's pictures in the 0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.399 girl's face, she goes, does it look like she's having fun? 0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:02.640 Then Samantha gets upset and decides to be a little 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:05.560 bit more forthcoming. She tells them about Mia having a 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:07.879 boyfriend online. She's like, I swear I don't know where 0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:10.000 they are. She said, Mia called me a couple days 0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:12.000 ago after she left, but she didn't say where she was. 0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:17.200 Samantha doesn't believe that the boyfriend would exploit her or 0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:18.480 use her in these pictures. 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:19.359 He loves her. 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:21.960 She showed me all the emails that he sent to her, 0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:24.360 and Stabler goes like, be a doll and go fetch 0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:27.400 those emails, babe. And then outside, Stabler is pissed at 0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:29.040 Bishop for showing Samantha the photos. 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:30.600 Bishop's like she was lying. 0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:32.520 Her ass off, and he's like, so you terrorize her 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:34.480 And he's like, we got what we came for. 0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:35.840 I don't have time for handholding. 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:37.520 And it's like she is a child, though, so you're 0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:39.440 gonna have to hold a hand a little bit. And 0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:41.879 Stabler's like, listen up, bro, don't jump in my game 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:44.120 like that again. If anyone's going to traumatize a victim, 0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:46.200 it's me, you know, Like that's kind of He's like, 0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:50.000 that's my turf. So Stabler tells Bishop it's only going 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:51.919 to get uglier so if you can't take the heat, 0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:55.680 get out of the Pedophileville kitchen, you know. And Bishop's like, well, 0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:57.520 why don't we split up the work. I'll dump this 0:47:57.600 --> 0:48:01.040 girl's phone and you take the emails. So back to Morales, 0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:03.160 he's helping Stabler look at the emails. But the server 0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:05.560 the emails came from are a bit out of the 0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:09.160 NYPD jurisdiction. They're coming from Prague in the Czech Republic. 0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:13.600 So now Stabler is back with Pam Greer aka Claudia Williams, 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:16.560 and she confirms that the sender is a guy named 0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:19.680 Eric Tasig, a German living in the Czech Republic. The 0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:22.479 Czechs won't arrest him based on emails. They need proof 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:24.960 that he actually has the girl. He hasn't left the 0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:28.000 Czech Republic in eight months, so he must have convinced 0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:30.560 Mia to come to him. But she has no passport, 0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:32.680 so how did he smuggle this girl out of the country. 0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:34.759 We just have to prove it and the checks will 0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:38.640 help us. So now we're at the connect the dots board. Okay, 0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:41.600 at the precinct. Mia has had an online relationship with 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:45.080 Tasig for a year, so she's fourteen she's been talking 0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:48.000 to this guy since she was thirteen. Photos of Mia 0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:50.640 and the unknown little girl were sent by Nick Touschai 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:53.200 to Meredith. So Nick Toschai must be the one who 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:56.320 murdered Meredith and her husband. Could they be the same person? 0:48:56.480 --> 0:49:00.279 Probably not, because Tasig's emails are very esl and nick 0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:03.239 two shays are not okay. So it's like clear that 0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:05.279 he's not an English speaker and that Nick Toushai is. 0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:07.239 So how do these guys who know each other? And 0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:08.880 who is the little girl and where is she? 0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:11.080 It's like, I'm sure they know each other from an 0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:13.800 online forum, but we're going to find out. Bishop busts 0:49:13.800 --> 0:49:16.560 in with some more tea. Mia called Samantha from a 0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:19.279 prepaid sell which she used the first two days she 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:22.040 was missing, but has not used since. Three calls to 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:25.000 the same phone number. A photo copy shop in Midtown 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:28.560 and that's a place where you done done get passport photos. 0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:32.600 So at the copy shop and employee immediately goes, oh, yeah, 0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:35.680 that's Carrie. It's a photo of Mia. She goes, that's Carrie. 0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:38.160 She's my boss's daughter. Ron He's right in the back 0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:40.319 if you want to talk to him. The quickest we've 0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:42.359 ever gotten to anything. I know who that is. Boss 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:45.680 is in the back, like that girl delivered. Okay, don't 0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:48.400 want to judge a book, but ron looks like a pedophile. Okay, 0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:51.240 Like they cast this man to be like a pedophile 0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:53.799 looking man. They show him the photo and he's like, 0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:59.480 well but a pedophile, yeah, yeah, yeah, And he's like, 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.280 there's a resemblance, but that's not Carrie. And they're pressing 0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:04.440 him and he's being bitchy. They're like, show us a 0:50:04.440 --> 0:50:07.680 picture of your daughter, and when he hesitates, Bishop flips 0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:10.880 him around for a pat down, grabs his wallet. Family 0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:14.080 photo in there shows a completely different girl that is 0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:17.279 not me, that is his daughter. So they bring him in. 0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:20.279 So now it's Ronnie, Bishop and Stabler. They're chopping it 0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:23.000 up in cement room bars. Okay, Ronnie's claiming he's never 0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:25.040 seen that girl and his employee made a mistake. 0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:25.440 Okay. 0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:27.239 They're like, all right, so then why did me call 0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:30.200 your copy shop three times that day? And he's like, 0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:33.720 maybe she needed copies? And Bishop slaps this guy upside 0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:35.839 the back of his head in a way that I enjoy. 0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:37.759 I don't like police brutality, but I like a good 0:50:38.120 --> 0:50:41.280 slap up the side of the head. Stabler wildly playing 0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:43.839 good cop for once is basically like, you better talk 0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:46.520 because my guy Bishop is sick of waiting, like he's 0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:50.040 really enjoying the role reversal for two minutes, they bring 0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:52.680 up the rape and murder, and suddenly Ronnie is. 0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:54.719 Like, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa wrong guy like. 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:55.360 That is not me. 0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:58.760 Bishop is about to rough him up when Claudia Williams 0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:01.239 walks in with Craig and they tell Bishop to take 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:04.000 a walk, and she introduces herself to Ronnie and he 0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:06.160 threatens a lawsuit on the department, and she's like, you 0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.279 will not be having any further contact with Bishop, don't 0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:10.799 you worry. She asks if he has custody of his 0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:13.600 daughter and he gives it up. No carries with my ex. 0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:16.839 And then he asks, well, why did you recently get 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:21.080 her a passport then, and he's like no, and they're like, bitch, 0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:23.759 they didn't bring a US attorney in here to fuck around, Like, 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:27.520 obviously she has receipts the passport application birth certificate, but 0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:30.920 the photo is Mia van Wagner, so frauduently obtaining a 0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:34.160 passport is a serious offense. If you think the NYPD sucks, 0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:36.600 wait till you start dealing with the FEDS. And I'm like, 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:38.680 I think the Feds the NYPD beats you up more. 0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:39.200 But whatever. 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:42.120 He says, he didn't kidnap her. He just gotut of 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:44.560 the passport and he helped her leave the country, which 0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:47.040 is what she wanted to do. And he doesn't know 0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:49.279 the name of the guy. But Claudia is like, you 0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:52.600 guys share illegal images online and Customs is already searching 0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:54.840 your house students, so don't bother. So he is a pedophile. 0:51:55.160 --> 0:51:57.120 This man is a pedofile. For a second, I was like, oh, 0:51:57.120 --> 0:51:58.880 well they cast a guy he was a pedophile. But 0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:00.920 it's a red herring. He is a pedophile, he's just 0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:04.200 not the pedophile that we're looking for. Ronnie says, the 0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:06.440 guy gave him five thousand dollars to help and then 0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:08.879 he bought the plane ticket, but the girl wanted to go. 0:52:09.440 --> 0:52:11.880 And he denies knowing who this little girl is, and 0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:14.240 he has no idea who Meredith McGrath is. And he says, 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:16.239 I was just helping this girl take a trip to 0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:17.239 Europe by herself. 0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:18.040 Is that a crime? 0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:20.279 And it's like, you have a fourteen year old daughter, Sir, 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:21.880 do you think there's something wrong with her going to 0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:24.000 another country to visit some random creep? 0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:25.640 Like you're the worst. 0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:29.440 And so we all know this man is a creep 0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:31.200 and a perv, but he did not commit this murder. 0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:33.040 Like none of us think Ronnie is capable. 0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:36.200 Craigan confirms his prints do not match the prints on 0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:38.840 like the scene at the body really shaky. 0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:41.879 Yeah, yes, sweaty. Yeah. 0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:44.279 I don't think copy shop guy is like doing all 0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:47.239 of this car bumping and then murdering, and you know. 0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:50.960 The pedophiles in any way he can, which is making copies. 0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:57.759 Yes, in walks, Claudia going Stabler, how is it you've 0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:00.560 never gotten a passport? And he's like I never needed one, 0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:02.680 and it's like, yeah, in two thousand and three, Stabler 0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:05.279 didn't have a passport, and in twenty seventeen he moved 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:08.600 his whole family to Rome, so you people can change. 0:53:08.880 --> 0:53:12.200 I thought maybe he'd traveled with the Marines, but maybe not. 0:53:12.360 --> 0:53:14.880 I was like googling whether the military gives you a passport, 0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:16.720 but they apparently give you some kind of special idea, 0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:19.040 so that's you know, it's possible, and that's how we 0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:21.920 can get on the flights faster. Yeah, he may have 0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:25.080 just marined locally too. He maybe didn't go anywhere abroad. 0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:27.520 But after that he was too busy knocking up his 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:29.640 wife and memorizing New York City Catholic schools to ever 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:31.719 take a trip out of the country. So Stabler is 0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:34.439 never gone anywhere, and he had yet. 0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:37.719 Their family vacations are to Disney, you know, or to 0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:38.760 the Jersey Shore. 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:41.880 It's the shore, babe. They're not going any further than 0:53:41.920 --> 0:53:44.440 the shore with five kids. No, no, no, but they 0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:45.960 are not coughing up for Disney. 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:49.120 Well, it wasn't that crazy at this time, Like I feel, 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:51.120 we were still living in an America that was like 0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:52.040 maybe affordable. 0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:53.560 That's true, that's true. 0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:55.759 I mean I just paid so much for me and 0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:58.400 Oscar to go alone for one day, and my parents 0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:01.799 took three of us for three three days. I in 0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:05.520 that today would cost five thousand dollars. I mean, like 0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:10.279 so much with hotel, like so much. But did we 0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:12.520 find out on a recent episode their salaries like they're 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:15.000 making like sixty eight or something in the early seasons, 0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:15.440 like they're not. 0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:17.520 I just don't know if he I just don't know 0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:19.200 if he's doing Disney. But you know, you're right. I 0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:20.160 think it's Jersey Shore. 0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:23.160 I think it's a it's a an old partner's house 0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:25.839 on the Jersey shore or something. Anyway, Sailor is about 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:27.719 to get the European trip he never dreamed of. 0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:30.600 Oh you know what, he makes his kids go camping. 0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:32.960 I feel it in my own I feel it in 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:38.160 my bones. Survival skills. Ah, he's a camper. He's a camper. 0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:41.399 He's taking the kids camping because that's how he vacation. Yeah, 0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:42.680 I see it, I see it now. 0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:44.799 Sailor is about to get the European trip he never 0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:45.279 dreamed of. 0:54:45.480 --> 0:54:49.120 Customs months and SVU detective in Prague for when they 0:54:49.160 --> 0:54:51.480 find me a so go pick up your passport and 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:54.560 your plane ticket at JFK in two hours. And it's 0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:57.120 like hilarious, how quick they act, Like the federal government works, 0:54:57.120 --> 0:54:58.560 like they just found this out, and they're like, you're 0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:01.360 ticketing your passports waiting at the at the airport. So 0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:04.440 Stabler is off to Prague. So we're at the US 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:07.920 Embassy in Prague. And that's very obvious because bells are ringing, 0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:11.160 and that happens only in Europe Okay, Sabler meets with 0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:14.480 Europeole officer Kate Logan, and as she shakes his hand, 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:17.759 Stabler is standing in front of an extremely obvious green 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:21.279 screen shot of Europe, which I confirmed online, where a 0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:23.720 bunch of sites say that this is basically the only 0:55:23.800 --> 0:55:27.400 time the show uses green screen, like just this inside, 0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:30.880 and maybe it's possible in more recent days, but like 0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:36.920 they're pretty staunchly an on location show, you know, Like so, 0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:39.080 but I know they're not gonna fly all the way 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:40.920 to Prague just to get like a shot of him 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:44.399 outside the like the fucking embassy. So there's this one 0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:47.399 shot that's green screen, and then the rest of it. 0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:50.040 They definitely are finding parts of New York that look 0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:53.640 very European, like old churches, cobblestone streets, stuff like that. 0:55:54.040 --> 0:55:56.680 Kate Logan is played by Doug Marra dominsk I'm sorry 0:55:56.680 --> 0:55:58.960 if I'm saying that incorrectly. She is a Polish actor 0:55:59.200 --> 0:56:01.640 who has worked Natalie over the past twenty five years. 0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:05.200 You might recognize her as Carolina Navatni on Succession. That's 0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:08.520 her most recent big thing that she was in multiple episodes, 0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:11.040 like thirty episodes of Succession, and she's married to the 0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:12.200 actor Patrick Wilson. 0:56:13.760 --> 0:56:15.319 So that's pretty fun. 0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:20.000 Yeah, And she tells Sabler, they'll give you a gun, 0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:23.760 and she goes, she goes, do you speak checker German? Lol, 0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:27.480 Like Sabler, he actually goes a little Spanish, and it's like, bitch, 0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:29.759 when I've never even heard you say oh la, like 0:56:29.880 --> 0:56:32.920 you we all know Benson handles all the bilingual duties, 0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:36.760 like I've never even heard him say borvobore. And so anyway, 0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:38.840 She's like, okay, well then you stick with me because 0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:43.040 I'm bilingual. She's curious why she's doing what seems like 0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:46.319 a British accent because her name's Kate Logan. So I'm like, 0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:48.279 that doesn't really feel like a Polish name to me, 0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:50.200 but I could be wrong. I'm married to a Logan. 0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:55.600 It doesn't feel Polish. But she's curious why the NYPD 0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:59.560 sent a detective overseas, and honestly, me too, girl. Sabler's like, 0:56:59.600 --> 0:57:02.319 it's be the guy is a particular dirt bag. And 0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:04.920 then Kate Logan like shits all over the country, going 0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:07.880 no shortage of those here, Welcome to the Czech Republic. 0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:11.600 So he wants to know why Europole is after Tacig. 0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:14.359 You know, Czech Republic's not even in the EU yet 0:57:14.400 --> 0:57:17.080 they actually joined the year after this episode, in May 0:57:17.080 --> 0:57:17.880 of two thousand and four. 0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:21.200 Wo yeah, she says. 0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:24.800 Europol and Interpol think that Tasig traffics young girls from 0:57:24.840 --> 0:57:28.800 Eastern Europe to Germany and Austria, and he fled to 0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:31.880 the Czech Republic two years ago and has been getting 0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:35.480 into the online game producing and distributing you know, child 0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:38.880 sex abuse material, but they can't prove it. She has 0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:41.280 a thing for Tasig because they almost caught him and 0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:44.240 he slipped away, and she's like, it won't happen again. 0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:45.600 So this is her white whale. 0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:48.560 Okay, Stabler and Logan walk into the office of Mike 0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:53.720 Pearson us customs at tashe there have been developments. Last night, 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:57.160 the Czech police jumped the gun and raided Tasig's flat, 0:57:57.240 --> 0:57:58.920 So now he and the girl are in the wind. 0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:02.280 How did no we were onto him, They're like, well, 0:58:02.320 --> 0:58:05.760 Customs in DC traced an email from his ISP to 0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:10.200 Samantha Gilligan, who replied the next day, that's me as 0:58:10.240 --> 0:58:12.680 little bestie, who must have warned me that the cops 0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:13.840 knew about Tasig. 0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:16.720 I still don't know why they would have. 0:58:18.280 --> 0:58:20.080 That would have been a good excuse for them to run, 0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:23.520 but what Oh, maybe they thought she's been in touch 0:58:23.560 --> 0:58:25.720 with her friend. They're gonna run, So the cops thought 0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:28.280 they could beat them, but they didn't. They got away first. 0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:31.080 They've released her photo to the media. They'll see if 0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:34.440 they get any hits. Logan says, Tasig won't try to 0:58:34.480 --> 0:58:36.400 leave the country. He's got too much to lose. And 0:58:36.440 --> 0:58:38.240 Stabler's like, what do you mean, he's already got the girl, 0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:40.439 and she goes, you need a lesson on the sex 0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:42.160 trade in the Czech Republic, my friend. 0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:45.040 So now they're going to take a little walking tour. 0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:49.600 Okay, they're in the Czech border town called Templice, where 0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:53.200 Logan is explaining to Stabler that the brothels outnumber the 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:56.000 churches in a place like this. Every week, ten thousand 0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:59.400 Germans come to visit sex workers for half the price, 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:02.160 and they can get anything they want. So she's they're 0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:05.160 walking down the street. She's pointing to different apartments that 0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:07.840 have different colored curtains. She's like, see those pink curtains. 0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:10.120 That means that you can get a girl under ten 0:59:10.240 --> 0:59:12.640 for thirty minutes. If you have five hundred crowns, which 0:59:12.680 --> 0:59:16.680 is seventeen dollars, oh my god, blue yeah, blue curtains 0:59:16.720 --> 0:59:20.240 means you get a boy. So they're like some of 0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:23.320 the children that are being smuggled are orphans from Romania 0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:26.040 and Bulgaria. Tascic isn't the only one profiting off of 0:59:26.080 --> 0:59:29.200 selling children. It's like a widespread common practice here. And 0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:31.480 as she's telling him all this, like a young an 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:33.680 old man comes walking down the street like with a 0:59:33.720 --> 0:59:35.680 young boy with his hand on his shoulders, and it's 0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:39.240 like it's just like it could absolutely be a grandfather 0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:41.680 at his grandkid. But it's just while you're hearing this, 0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:45.520 it's not great imagery. Stabler is immediately getting steamed and 0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:48.720 wants to know why doesn't anyone do anything, And she's like, well, 0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:51.000 euro A Pole has no authority and the Czech police 0:59:51.000 --> 0:59:52.880 have no incentives to stop. There's so much money to 0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:55.280 be made with the German tourism. The cops make all 0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:58.479 this money giving them tickets, like it's all one hand 0:59:58.520 --> 1:00:01.040 shakes the other and all that shit. So she's like, 1:00:01.080 --> 1:00:03.200 this is the world, Stabler. I think in your line 1:00:03.200 --> 1:00:06.200 of work you'd get it, and he's like, well, in America, 1:00:06.480 --> 1:00:08.240 we wouldn't just sit back and take it. 1:00:08.360 --> 1:00:10.920 It's like, I mean, what about it. 1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:13.680 It's like one rape out of a thousand gets prosecuted 1:00:13.800 --> 1:00:17.840 or something like that. But anyway, that's very noble, she says, 1:00:17.840 --> 1:00:19.960 But as long as there's demand for this kind of stuff, 1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:24.240 there's not much we can do. Obviously, after they joined 1:00:24.240 --> 1:00:26.840 the European Union, Europol would have more authority over it. 1:00:26.960 --> 1:00:27.760 And I don't know. 1:00:27.880 --> 1:00:30.120 It seems like the Czech Republic has become a bigger 1:00:30.120 --> 1:00:33.240 tourist destination and I don't hear about it as much 1:00:33.680 --> 1:00:37.400 as a sex tourism destination the way I hear about 1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:38.040 other countries. 1:00:38.080 --> 1:00:40.120 So maybe they've cleaned up their act. I actually do 1:00:40.200 --> 1:00:40.520 not know. 1:00:41.040 --> 1:00:44.400 So basically, she's like telling Stabler like, yeah, this is 1:00:44.440 --> 1:00:46.720 like working at the post office. The mail keeps coming in, 1:00:46.800 --> 1:00:48.280 you know what I mean, Like, we can't there's a 1:00:48.280 --> 1:00:50.160 demand for this. There's nothing we can do. And he's like, 1:00:50.200 --> 1:00:52.040 so then what are you even doing here? And she's like, 1:00:52.080 --> 1:00:54.800 I'm doing my job. What are you doing here? And 1:00:55.160 --> 1:00:57.920 they're in Greenwich Village but it's they've got a couple 1:00:57.920 --> 1:01:00.360 of cars with European license plates, like they're doing their best. 1:01:00.400 --> 1:01:01.080 It does look good. 1:01:01.880 --> 1:01:04.960 She gets a phone call and Stabler watches like these 1:01:04.960 --> 1:01:07.400 two teen girls get in a car and obviously goes 1:01:07.400 --> 1:01:10.800 into like hashtag girl dad mode, and Logan's like, Okay, 1:01:10.800 --> 1:01:12.520 we just got a tip and it's not far from here, 1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:15.760 let's go. So now they're in a crowded square showing 1:01:15.800 --> 1:01:19.240 pictures of Mia to everybody, and a vender says, oh, yeah, 1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:21.240 I see her every day she comes to buy chocolate. 1:01:21.320 --> 1:01:23.600 She's mostly alone, but she has been once or twice 1:01:23.600 --> 1:01:25.840 with a man, and I don't think it's her dad 1:01:25.920 --> 1:01:28.520 because of the way he kisses her. And he hasn't 1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:31.880 seen her today, So they're gonna wait. They've got two 1:01:32.000 --> 1:01:35.680 check officers with them too, and now they're all just 1:01:35.720 --> 1:01:38.920 in different areas of the square waiting watching. Stabler spots 1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:41.880 Mia and she's got her hair all up in a beret. 1:01:42.000 --> 1:01:44.320 But you know, he can spot that little Miley look 1:01:44.320 --> 1:01:46.760 alike from a mile away, and he puts on his 1:01:46.920 --> 1:01:50.520 leather OJ gloves and starts following her. She immediately makes 1:01:50.600 --> 1:01:54.440 him because he's a fully American looking cop just belining 1:01:54.440 --> 1:01:55.840 it for her in the middle of the square. He 1:01:56.040 --> 1:01:58.600 can't do anything in a way that's conspicuous. 1:01:58.720 --> 1:01:59.600 I'm sure you ordered. 1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:04.320 An eggin she's at the farmer's market, like yeah, just 1:02:04.400 --> 1:02:06.520 so culturally burgers. 1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:11.000 Yeah, yeah, he can't do anything inconspicuously. I mean right, 1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:14.360 So she goes to Eric. She runs over to Eric 1:02:14.400 --> 1:02:18.240 and goes I think someone's following me. Stabler starts screaming Mia, Mia, 1:02:18.840 --> 1:02:19.920 and then she's like, let's go. 1:02:20.160 --> 1:02:21.560 They run. A chase happens. 1:02:21.600 --> 1:02:23.960 We get a shot of Stabler running on cobblestone through 1:02:23.960 --> 1:02:24.880 a pack of pigeons. 1:02:25.360 --> 1:02:28.520 Very good cinematography. It's very euro I love it. 1:02:28.600 --> 1:02:30.920 Stay like like as like, pigeons do not sit and 1:02:30.960 --> 1:02:34.160 gather in Manhattan. They only do that in European countries. 1:02:34.560 --> 1:02:37.480 Stabler's chasing, yelling at me at a wait. 1:02:37.640 --> 1:02:37.840 Wait. 1:02:38.000 --> 1:02:40.920 As Stabler gains on them, Eric just abandons Mia and 1:02:41.000 --> 1:02:43.680 runs for himself. And then that's when Stabler grabs mea 1:02:43.680 --> 1:02:46.680 and she's crying and protesting and yelling out for Eric, 1:02:46.960 --> 1:02:49.800 and Logan catches up and she's pissed. She's like, you know, 1:02:50.120 --> 1:02:51.680 like in the next scene, they're at the embassy and 1:02:51.720 --> 1:02:54.840 Logan is like leg into Stabler for losing Tossig. She's like, 1:02:55.400 --> 1:02:57.360 she was his one reason to stay in the country, 1:02:57.400 --> 1:03:00.000 so now he could be anywhere. And she's like, you 1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:02.040 could have just gone for him, and then we would 1:03:02.040 --> 1:03:05.040 have eventually found Mia. And she's kind of right, and 1:03:05.080 --> 1:03:06.880 he like, Mia wouldn't have run that far out. 1:03:07.120 --> 1:03:08.080 Victim comes first. 1:03:08.560 --> 1:03:11.520 Yeah, yeah, but she I think Kate would have been 1:03:11.520 --> 1:03:13.440 able to catch up to her, Like, if she lost him, 1:03:13.480 --> 1:03:14.920 I think she would have been like, eugh, you know, 1:03:15.000 --> 1:03:16.600 she seems very dependent on this man. 1:03:17.240 --> 1:03:17.680 Anyway. 1:03:18.040 --> 1:03:20.360 He's like, and then, what just let a kid wander 1:03:20.400 --> 1:03:22.160 around a foreign city for a few days. 1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:24.480 What about the other child? Did you forget about her? 1:03:24.680 --> 1:03:27.800 That's what Kate says to Stabler, Like, if we had 1:03:27.840 --> 1:03:29.280 to him, we could figure out what's up with this 1:03:29.320 --> 1:03:31.760 eight year old girl that is somewhere in the world. 1:03:31.920 --> 1:03:34.720 You know, but we've seen this a million times. He 1:03:34.800 --> 1:03:36.680 went for Live instead of going for the kid that 1:03:36.680 --> 1:03:38.880 lou Diamond Phillips had. You know, we make our choices 1:03:38.880 --> 1:03:41.680 on the splits decision, and you know, you got to 1:03:41.720 --> 1:03:42.600 stand by your choices. 1:03:42.760 --> 1:03:44.000 And he does stand by his choice. 1:03:44.000 --> 1:03:47.200 He says Mia will lead them to Tussig, and Logan's like, dude, 1:03:47.200 --> 1:03:49.920 she has Stockholm syndrome. She thinks we're the enemy, and 1:03:49.960 --> 1:03:52.560 Stabler's like, I get wire pissed. It's easier to arrest 1:03:52.600 --> 1:03:55.320 the bad guy than to deal with the victim. And 1:03:55.360 --> 1:03:58.360 that is a critical philosophy of the show that is 1:03:58.440 --> 1:04:02.160 like absolutely what the show is, because the other guys 1:04:02.160 --> 1:04:03.960 that always come in are like, get the bad guy, 1:04:04.000 --> 1:04:05.440 get the bad guy, you get the bad guy, and 1:04:05.480 --> 1:04:07.760 they're also like, yeah, but you also have to deal 1:04:07.800 --> 1:04:08.400 with the victim. 1:04:08.520 --> 1:04:11.560 Like even with Getannie Nielsen, it was just like give 1:04:11.600 --> 1:04:14.720 her that, you know, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yelling and screaming, 1:04:14.760 --> 1:04:18.360 and it's like, no, you don't get to like terrorize kid. 1:04:18.600 --> 1:04:21.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is a corner zone of this 1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:22.400 A corner. 1:04:22.080 --> 1:04:23.760 Stone of the show, I think is yeah, it's easier 1:04:23.800 --> 1:04:25.840 to arrest the bad guy than to deal with the victim, 1:04:25.840 --> 1:04:28.720 and that's why so many people want to do homicide 1:04:28.760 --> 1:04:30.200 or narcotics or whatever. 1:04:30.600 --> 1:04:33.720 So now they're talking to me and she wants. 1:04:33.480 --> 1:04:36.520 To leave, obviously, and they're like, babe, you're fourteen, Like 1:04:36.560 --> 1:04:37.880 we need to protect you, and she's like, I don't 1:04:37.880 --> 1:04:40.600 want your protection, and Stabler throws it at her that 1:04:40.800 --> 1:04:43.520 Eric abandoned her and she's like, we're in love. You 1:04:43.560 --> 1:04:46.160 guys don't get it. Logan's like he tells that to 1:04:46.240 --> 1:04:48.520 a lot of girls. Mia is not buying. She's like 1:04:48.680 --> 1:04:51.920 they're like, well, he sells girls for sex, and she's like, Nope, 1:04:51.960 --> 1:04:54.600 not buying it. Then they tell her about the pictures 1:04:55.040 --> 1:04:57.120 and that they know that he drugs her up and 1:04:57.160 --> 1:05:00.240 like she does the makeup like subtly looks like this 1:05:00.280 --> 1:05:03.960 girl has been like on drugs, you know, like and 1:05:05.040 --> 1:05:08.640 she denies it, like and they're like, so you wanted 1:05:08.640 --> 1:05:10.880 those pictures taken and put on the internet, and that's 1:05:10.920 --> 1:05:12.800 what gets through to her. She's kind of like, wait, 1:05:12.880 --> 1:05:16.320 what I didn't know about that. I can't believe that's true. 1:05:16.440 --> 1:05:20.040 And Stabler's like he won't protect you, so don't protect him. 1:05:20.400 --> 1:05:22.600 And then she's really freaking out about the pictures. She's like, 1:05:22.640 --> 1:05:24.959 can we get them back? Like nobody has to see them, 1:05:25.320 --> 1:05:27.640 and they're like we'll try, and she's like, I just 1:05:27.680 --> 1:05:30.640 my mom cannot see those pictures, like and she begs 1:05:30.640 --> 1:05:33.960 them and then Stabler's like, I promise we'll destroy them 1:05:33.960 --> 1:05:35.600 when they find Eric. I mean, I don't know if 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:38.520 he's fully grasps the concept that nothing on the Internet 1:05:38.600 --> 1:05:41.720 is ever completely deleted, But does pore so. 1:05:41.760 --> 1:05:44.800 Much of the Internet. Is that principle true even back then? 1:05:45.680 --> 1:05:46.240 I don't know. 1:05:46.560 --> 1:05:48.200 I don't know if that if that kind of shits 1:05:48.240 --> 1:05:50.560 in the way back machine or whatever, Like I bet 1:05:50.560 --> 1:05:52.880 that's a good question. Like back when the Internet was newer, 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:56.640 was it so hard to just once you deleted something 1:05:56.680 --> 1:05:57.240 from the Internet? 1:05:57.280 --> 1:05:57.720 Wasn't gone? 1:05:57.920 --> 1:06:01.120 Was everything because there wasn't Ai tryling the Internet and 1:06:01.200 --> 1:06:03.960 like things being duplicated all the time, you know. 1:06:04.720 --> 1:06:07.600 So I had a Nokia at this point, if yeah, 1:06:07.760 --> 1:06:09.480 you know, yeah, I just I don't. 1:06:09.880 --> 1:06:10.480 I'm just trying. 1:06:10.520 --> 1:06:13.680 Two thousand and three, I was playing Snake on a Nokia. Absolutely, 1:06:13.720 --> 1:06:18.720 I was Snake a snake. As I am clicking my tetris, 1:06:19.120 --> 1:06:24.640 I'm like sick. I'm truly sick. I'm addicted. So Stabler 1:06:24.880 --> 1:06:28.160 promises to destroy these picks and she goes Okay, here's 1:06:28.200 --> 1:06:30.919 where she gives up a place where Eric Tossig has 1:06:31.040 --> 1:06:34.440 a work like a second location that he works out of. Okay, 1:06:35.040 --> 1:06:37.400 the cops bust into this apartment and this guy was 1:06:37.400 --> 1:06:39.280 pretty confident that she wasn't gonna une hm out because 1:06:39.280 --> 1:06:41.720 he is a napping on the couch snug as a bug, okay, 1:06:42.280 --> 1:06:44.680 and they bust into this room and this actor is 1:06:44.760 --> 1:06:51.120 named Lothe. He is French Canadian okay. He has been 1:06:51.120 --> 1:06:55.000 in two other svus. One is season one, episode six, 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:58.440 Sophomore Jinks, where he plays a college professor so obsessed 1:06:58.480 --> 1:07:02.840 with a student that he stalked and then sexually assaults 1:07:02.840 --> 1:07:06.040 after she basically is dead, which is fucking I mean, 1:07:06.040 --> 1:07:08.560 the show really popped off in season one, so crazy 1:07:08.560 --> 1:07:11.680 we should do that episode. And then season fifteen we 1:07:11.920 --> 1:07:15.240 just did this episode, Gambler's Fallacy. He's the evil art 1:07:15.280 --> 1:07:20.600 dealer who masterminds the whole thing when Rollins is yeah, 1:07:20.800 --> 1:07:24.120 when Rollins is like involved with Sondra and he's Sondra's 1:07:24.160 --> 1:07:27.120 baby daddy and like all that. So this guy a 1:07:27.200 --> 1:07:29.640 real chameleon because I didn't recognize him and we just 1:07:29.680 --> 1:07:34.040 did that episode anyway, he is pleasantly surprised that they 1:07:34.040 --> 1:07:36.560 send an American cop after him, and his accent is 1:07:36.600 --> 1:07:39.240 like kind of French, kind of German. It's confusing, and 1:07:39.280 --> 1:07:43.240 he accuses America of arresting people around the globe and 1:07:43.280 --> 1:07:46.040 claiming terrorism as their excuse, which I'm sure he's correct, 1:07:46.280 --> 1:07:49.840 and he starts yelling about police brutality, et cetera. And 1:07:49.880 --> 1:07:53.120 then they find a video setup in the back room 1:07:53.280 --> 1:07:56.640 and it's filled with VHS videos. This is his hub. 1:07:56.720 --> 1:07:58.960 This is like his production studio. This is where he 1:07:59.040 --> 1:08:01.840 makes all this shit and with his customers. 1:08:02.320 --> 1:08:02.600 I guess. 1:08:02.640 --> 1:08:04.840 They find a list quickly of his customers and there's 1:08:04.880 --> 1:08:06.919 a ton of them in the US, and Stabler goes 1:08:07.160 --> 1:08:11.880 business is booming. So now they're in the Czech prison 1:08:11.920 --> 1:08:14.960 interrogation room and it makes cement room bars look like 1:08:15.000 --> 1:08:19.120 a white Lotus hotel. Okay, Like this is a scary cave. 1:08:19.439 --> 1:08:23.040 Okay, Yeah, Like they're in like a scary cell that 1:08:23.120 --> 1:08:25.200 looks like there's rats. 1:08:25.240 --> 1:08:26.320 Like it does not look good. 1:08:26.800 --> 1:08:29.479 They bring in Tacic and he's complaining about human rights 1:08:29.560 --> 1:08:32.760 violation by the Czech police and Logan's like, that's not 1:08:32.840 --> 1:08:35.960 your problem. You're not in check custody and he claims 1:08:36.000 --> 1:08:38.599 to have done nothing wrong, and they're like, you recorded 1:08:38.640 --> 1:08:41.400 yourself numerous times having sex with me and Van Wagner 1:08:41.760 --> 1:08:44.200 and he's like, so the age of consent here is 1:08:44.240 --> 1:08:47.200 fifteen and they're like, well she's fourteen, and he's like, okay, 1:08:47.240 --> 1:08:50.920 so she lied, Like he's so who cares? And she's 1:08:51.080 --> 1:08:54.920 clearly consenting on the tapes, he says, Stabler shows pictures 1:08:54.960 --> 1:08:58.080 of me engaging in sexual activity with other men and girls, 1:08:58.120 --> 1:09:01.599 and he insists this guy's like, she's adventurous, she loves it. 1:09:02.080 --> 1:09:04.800 And then Stabler does a whisper chat like he loves 1:09:04.840 --> 1:09:06.840 to do, where he gets rut up in the guy's 1:09:06.840 --> 1:09:09.000 ear and he's like, she's a fourteen year old girl 1:09:09.000 --> 1:09:10.880 that you droged and raped, you know. He does this 1:09:10.920 --> 1:09:13.760 little whisper voice, and he's still like, no way, I'm 1:09:13.800 --> 1:09:16.960 not a pornographer. And it's like, dude, do you think 1:09:17.000 --> 1:09:20.120 they didn't look around and find your full production office 1:09:20.160 --> 1:09:25.280 of tapes, like you have over one hundred thousand illegal images, 1:09:25.479 --> 1:09:27.480 Like you're not a pornographer? 1:09:27.680 --> 1:09:29.800 Yeah, And then some reason with these guys, it's never 1:09:29.920 --> 1:09:34.720 like fifteen. It's always like and he had eight million photos. 1:09:34.840 --> 1:09:39.439 It's like, right, I don't know, Like it's just it's 1:09:39.560 --> 1:09:42.879 just such wild numbers, always with these pedophiles. 1:09:42.560 --> 1:09:43.880 Exactly can never be enough. 1:09:44.920 --> 1:09:47.600 Then, taking a page right out of the Republican Handbook, 1:09:47.640 --> 1:09:50.360 he's like, why are you guys so obsessed with children? 1:09:50.520 --> 1:09:52.799 That's disgusting, Like just. 1:09:52.720 --> 1:09:55.439 Turning it back, like you guys are so obsessed with 1:09:55.800 --> 1:09:59.160 you know, liberals are obsessed with like children, and it's like, 1:09:59.200 --> 1:10:01.160 you guys are the ones li literally obsessed with what 1:10:01.280 --> 1:10:03.000 genitalia goes into, what bathroom? 1:10:03.120 --> 1:10:04.240 No one else cares about that. 1:10:05.080 --> 1:10:08.080 Stabler's like, dude, you make videos of kids being sexually 1:10:08.080 --> 1:10:12.120 assaulted and sell them and we're disgusting. And he claims, oh, well, 1:10:12.160 --> 1:10:14.760 I'm trapping these pedophiles. They buy from me so I 1:10:14.760 --> 1:10:17.240 can get their identities. I'm doing the police's work. I mean, 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:21.080 this man is swerving. First it's like I'm doing nothing wrong. 1:10:21.200 --> 1:10:22.840 Then it's like she likes it. Then it's like, oh, 1:10:22.840 --> 1:10:25.799 it's just she's a year off of the age like limit. 1:10:26.240 --> 1:10:28.840 And then it's oh, I'm actually basically doing copwork, you know. 1:10:29.240 --> 1:10:31.439 So he's like, Mia came to me by her own choice, 1:10:31.880 --> 1:10:33.880 and I don't expect you guys to get it. So 1:10:33.920 --> 1:10:36.200 they show him pictures of the young girl, the eight 1:10:36.320 --> 1:10:37.920 year old girl, and they're like who is she and 1:10:37.960 --> 1:10:39.680 he's like, I don't know, and they're like, well, you 1:10:39.720 --> 1:10:41.880 have fifty pictures of her on your computer. So this 1:10:42.000 --> 1:10:45.439 Mariah Carey act isn't gonna fly. And then Stabler elbows 1:10:45.479 --> 1:10:47.519 the guy in the face and he falls over in 1:10:47.560 --> 1:10:49.680 his chair, and it's pretty funny. Again, I don't like 1:10:50.040 --> 1:10:53.160 police brutality, but this guy is a heinous pedophile, and 1:10:53.160 --> 1:10:55.040 he just goes whap and like gets him right with 1:10:55.040 --> 1:10:58.200 an elbow in the face. And Tactic is like, you 1:10:58.240 --> 1:11:01.439 can't do this, it's against your law. And then Logan 1:11:01.520 --> 1:11:04.720 dismisses the check cop who shuts the cell, and she goes, well, 1:11:04.720 --> 1:11:08.280 we're not in America, mister Tassig, clearly implying that Stabler 1:11:08.320 --> 1:11:09.720 could just kick the shit out of this guy if 1:11:09.720 --> 1:11:12.840 he wanted, with zero repercussions, like because they're you know, 1:11:14.080 --> 1:11:16.360 there's no cameras on in there. And she tells him 1:11:16.400 --> 1:11:20.360 to cooperate and stop this ridiculous performance. He says to Stabler, 1:11:20.439 --> 1:11:23.040 you need permission from this bitch, and what you're not 1:11:23.280 --> 1:11:25.960 gonna do is insult a female cop in front of Stabler. 1:11:26.200 --> 1:11:29.880 So he immediately throat punches this guy and slams him 1:11:29.920 --> 1:11:32.360 on the table over and over, asking him about the girl, 1:11:32.720 --> 1:11:35.840 and he finally gives up, Okay, I've seen her website. 1:11:35.880 --> 1:11:37.920 I know her name is Amy, but that's all I know. 1:11:39.080 --> 1:11:41.640 Back at the embassy. A tech guy has found the 1:11:41.680 --> 1:11:44.479 site and it's called Amy's Little Secret and you need 1:11:44.520 --> 1:11:47.400 a password to get on it, and it's twenty nine 1:11:47.439 --> 1:11:49.559 to ninety nine. But you buy the password from this 1:11:49.680 --> 1:11:52.320 other site, and when you get the password at this 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:56.360 other site, you can access multiple sites with that password, 1:11:56.400 --> 1:12:00.800 and its adult and child, you know material, And it 1:12:00.880 --> 1:12:03.720 shows up on your credit card as a subscription to 1:12:03.760 --> 1:12:07.720 a fly fishing magazine. He's already ordered one using the 1:12:07.760 --> 1:12:09.519 corporate card. He says, it's like, we don't need to 1:12:09.560 --> 1:12:11.559 know how you paid for it and access the site 1:12:11.600 --> 1:12:14.320 and it's got pictures of Amy since she was three 1:12:14.439 --> 1:12:17.880 years old and live webcasts two times a week. Like 1:12:17.920 --> 1:12:21.439 this shit makes me like truly sick. And Stabler also 1:12:21.560 --> 1:12:24.080 is like about to borrow. He's like, shut it off. 1:12:24.120 --> 1:12:25.599 I don't want to see any more of this. So 1:12:25.640 --> 1:12:28.439 they find the same email address of Nick Toushai and 1:12:28.640 --> 1:12:30.880 what about the company that sells the passwords? They say 1:12:30.880 --> 1:12:33.759 they're actually operating out of the US New York state. 1:12:33.960 --> 1:12:36.800 Time to head home, Stabler, so that's convenient. He just 1:12:36.840 --> 1:12:38.840 gets to head back and the crime is also taking 1:12:38.840 --> 1:12:42.559 place in his home state, so he walks back into 1:12:42.640 --> 1:12:45.240 the precinct and looks pissed to find Bishops sitting there 1:12:45.280 --> 1:12:48.080 with his legs kicked up on a desk, and Bishop's 1:12:48.120 --> 1:12:50.639 there to take Stabler to the FED building. You won't 1:12:50.680 --> 1:12:53.960 believe what you started at Claudia's office. There's a lot 1:12:53.960 --> 1:12:57.120 of hustle and bustle. Tastics computers were a treasure trove. 1:12:57.200 --> 1:12:59.400 They find the information for a company called Private Code 1:12:59.439 --> 1:13:02.920 that sells thewords and they're based in Westchester, near where 1:13:02.960 --> 1:13:03.519 I grew up. 1:13:03.600 --> 1:13:05.800 I had no idea. 1:13:05.960 --> 1:13:08.760 TACIG gets a cut of their profits for up to 1:13:08.800 --> 1:13:13.240 twenty five thousand dollars a month. They found fifteen child 1:13:13.280 --> 1:13:16.880 sex abuse material sites on Private Codes payroll in three 1:13:16.920 --> 1:13:20.400 different countries, totaling four hundred thousand images and who knows 1:13:20.439 --> 1:13:22.880 how many subscribers. But it will lead to the producers 1:13:22.960 --> 1:13:25.880 of the content, and they're busting seventeen of them in 1:13:25.920 --> 1:13:29.000 the Tri State alone right now. So Claudia Williams says, 1:13:29.000 --> 1:13:32.720 you've opened Pandora's box, Detective, and you know that's that. 1:13:33.240 --> 1:13:34.400 So they've got it covered. 1:13:34.520 --> 1:13:36.960 But Claudia thought the boys might want to be there 1:13:37.000 --> 1:13:39.760 when they take these bastards down, So they bust into 1:13:39.760 --> 1:13:43.000 this suburban home and the most llbeing white couple of 1:13:43.040 --> 1:13:45.960 all time are trying to destroy evidence, and the woman 1:13:46.040 --> 1:13:47.840 is like, we just sell passwords. 1:13:48.000 --> 1:13:49.840 We don't know what people put on their websites. 1:13:50.160 --> 1:13:53.120 And as they cuff these two monsters, Stabler goes, you're saying, 1:13:53.120 --> 1:13:55.360 you don't know what the site child dot rape is 1:13:55.560 --> 1:13:56.120 all about. 1:13:56.439 --> 1:14:00.240 Shut up. He does this like this, like disgusted. Shut 1:14:00.320 --> 1:14:02.479 up that he does where he goes shit up. 1:14:02.920 --> 1:14:05.240 So Morales is back now and telling them that this 1:14:05.280 --> 1:14:08.759 is bigger than we thought. This company grows fifteen million 1:14:08.840 --> 1:14:14.559 dollars last year alone, three hundred thousand subscribers, one hundred 1:14:14.600 --> 1:14:18.040 thousand sites with the material on it, twenty countries, and 1:14:18.080 --> 1:14:22.920 they keep great records, bank accounts, credit cards, email addresses. 1:14:23.120 --> 1:14:25.640 They already found sixty in Manhattan, so this is like 1:14:25.720 --> 1:14:27.520 a massive, massive bust. 1:14:27.760 --> 1:14:28.920 They look up Nick Toushai. 1:14:29.040 --> 1:14:31.080 They can see his name is Nicholas Taylor, but there's 1:14:31.080 --> 1:14:34.160 no address but the master and the visa account Bill's 1:14:34.160 --> 1:14:35.120 gotta go somewhere. 1:14:35.760 --> 1:14:37.080 So now it's nighttime. 1:14:37.200 --> 1:14:39.320 Sailor and Bishop knock on a door and a little 1:14:39.360 --> 1:14:43.439 girl answers it's Amy. Sailor's eyes widen. He's so happy. 1:14:43.439 --> 1:14:47.800 He found her. She's alive and surviving somehow, he says. 1:14:48.160 --> 1:14:50.920 She says, my dad's upstairs sleeping, and asks like, where's 1:14:50.960 --> 1:14:54.160 your policeman clothes? And he shows her his badge, lets 1:14:54.160 --> 1:14:57.519 her hold it. She opens the door. Bishop asks Amy, like, 1:14:57.600 --> 1:14:59.080 take me to the water. Take me I need a 1:14:59.080 --> 1:14:59.599 glass of water. 1:14:59.640 --> 1:15:00.439 Take me to the kitchen. 1:15:00.479 --> 1:15:04.200 And then Stabler walks up the stairs, slowly, quietly, gun drawn. 1:15:04.800 --> 1:15:08.200 He finds this evil fuck sleeping like a baby in bed. 1:15:08.560 --> 1:15:11.439 He puts the gun to this guy's head and like 1:15:11.840 --> 1:15:14.280 there's like three seconds where he's like, I could just 1:15:14.320 --> 1:15:16.080 shoot this guy in the fucking head. I could just 1:15:16.200 --> 1:15:19.719 kill this guy who has been literally not only sexually 1:15:19.760 --> 1:15:24.000 assaulting his daughter for years but profiting off of it. 1:15:24.479 --> 1:15:27.799 And he instead thinks better of it because there's forensics. 1:15:27.840 --> 1:15:29.559 They're gonna know he was fucking lying. They're sleeping, and 1:15:29.600 --> 1:15:32.360 you shot him at point blank range, and he slams 1:15:32.360 --> 1:15:34.240 the gun against the wall, waking the guy up. The 1:15:34.240 --> 1:15:36.680 guy so startled immediately he's like, where's my daughter? And 1:15:36.720 --> 1:15:39.559 Stabler's like, your daughter, Like you give a fuck, get 1:15:39.560 --> 1:15:42.240 your clothes on. So they bring this guy in, but 1:15:42.320 --> 1:15:44.439 somehow this guy's in woodroom blinds. I don't know why 1:15:44.479 --> 1:15:46.200 the worst pedophile we've seen in a while is in 1:15:46.280 --> 1:15:48.920 like the nicer interrogation room. His prints were at the 1:15:48.920 --> 1:15:52.760 scene of Meredith McGrath's murder and Roger McGrath's murder. His 1:15:52.840 --> 1:15:55.160 lawyer's like, all right, let's get cabin in here and 1:15:55.160 --> 1:15:57.559 make a deal. And they're like on two murders and 1:15:57.680 --> 1:16:00.000 prolonged child abuse. What do you think you're gonna get? 1:16:00.520 --> 1:16:05.080 He denies hurting Amy. This guy, he's like Meredith betrayed me. 1:16:05.479 --> 1:16:09.000 He says he loves Amy more than Stabler will ever realize. 1:16:09.600 --> 1:16:11.479 He's like, I won't feel bad about this just because 1:16:11.479 --> 1:16:13.880 you say I should. And I was like, fuck, this 1:16:13.920 --> 1:16:18.120 is nambla shit, Like I didn't realize that this guy, Like, 1:16:18.160 --> 1:16:20.160 I mean, this guy thinks he's in love with his jab. 1:16:20.200 --> 1:16:23.840 He's not just like exploiting her. I mean, it's probably 1:16:23.840 --> 1:16:25.800 selfishly as well. But he's like, no, we're in love, 1:16:25.800 --> 1:16:27.840 Like I'm in love with my child, my baby, Like 1:16:28.280 --> 1:16:31.240 and he says, society says I should feel bad, but 1:16:31.360 --> 1:16:33.920 not that long ago, society said that interracial marriage and 1:16:33.960 --> 1:16:35.439 homosexuality were a crime. 1:16:35.880 --> 1:16:37.280 And Stabler's heard. 1:16:37.040 --> 1:16:41.200 This pedophiles justification before and the guy's like, I'm not alone. 1:16:41.280 --> 1:16:43.519 There are hundreds of thousands of people just like me, 1:16:43.800 --> 1:16:46.840 maybe millions, you fhreaks, and they're like, you freaks will 1:16:46.840 --> 1:16:49.360 never be alone in prison, and he goes, ever, think 1:16:49.439 --> 1:16:53.080 you're the minority, that you're the freaks. You can persecute us, 1:16:53.080 --> 1:16:55.559 but we're not going away. We're not playing by your rules, 1:16:55.840 --> 1:16:58.760 and nothing you can do will ever change that. And 1:16:58.800 --> 1:17:02.800 Stabler just like stare that the guy and it's really 1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:07.519 haunting because it's like, yeah, we're like what episode was 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:09.680 Downloaded Child with Megan Fahey, I mean like that was 1:17:09.680 --> 1:17:12.519 another episode where it was like, yeah, like it's like 1:17:12.640 --> 1:17:15.000 ten years later, nothing's changed on this show. And now 1:17:15.000 --> 1:17:17.439 it's ten years later than that show and nothing's really changed, 1:17:17.840 --> 1:17:20.599 but it's gotten worse because of technology. Yeah, and it's 1:17:20.600 --> 1:17:24.800 impossible to police it, like so it is fucked up 1:17:24.840 --> 1:17:27.960 that online these guys probably convince each other like we're 1:17:27.960 --> 1:17:30.559 not actually doing anything wrong, like we just love children, 1:17:30.720 --> 1:17:35.040 you know. But uh anyway, final scene, Bishop and Stabler 1:17:35.120 --> 1:17:38.080 are having a celebratory drink. Bishop wants to buy one 1:17:38.080 --> 1:17:40.639 more round, but Stabler suddenly remembers I have a family 1:17:40.720 --> 1:17:42.400 and wants to make sure his kids remember. 1:17:42.120 --> 1:17:42.720 What he looks like. 1:17:43.080 --> 1:17:45.240 He says, uh, oh, yeah, is your family part of 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:47.720 why you do the job? And he's like, yeah, part 1:17:47.760 --> 1:17:50.800 of it, and he goes, Bishop says, I see what 1:17:50.880 --> 1:17:52.519 you get out of it. All those guys you put 1:17:52.560 --> 1:17:54.599 away won't be able to hurt any more kids, Like, 1:17:54.720 --> 1:17:56.760 but you know, it's a tough gig, though, you really 1:17:56.760 --> 1:17:59.439 gotta love it, and Stabler goes, no, you've got to 1:17:59.479 --> 1:18:01.439 hate it only way you'll be any good at it. 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:08.120 Deep and that's dick wolf baby, Yeah, Stabler knew what 1:18:08.120 --> 1:18:08.519 he meant. 1:18:09.320 --> 1:18:10.800 Yeah, because I hate the job. 1:18:10.800 --> 1:18:14.040 You hate the pedophile like shut up, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:18:13.640 --> 1:18:15.160 Yeah, shut up. Stay there. 1:18:15.240 --> 1:18:17.760 He couldn't even have one nice moment at the end 1:18:17.760 --> 1:18:19.080 of the day with this man. 1:18:19.400 --> 1:18:22.400 Yeah. Wow, you guys will far more about that. 1:18:23.120 --> 1:18:26.200 I'm sure it's not fun what we're about to listen to. 1:18:34.080 --> 1:18:37.479 All right. This was based on a lot of crimes and. 1:18:39.360 --> 1:18:42.000 Yeah, I'll just start and some I don't even think 1:18:42.040 --> 1:18:45.880 are fully connected, but they were in the wiki and 1:18:45.960 --> 1:18:48.680 I researched them. So here we are. Well because it's 1:18:48.680 --> 1:18:50.960 so hard, because everything is so interesting. Okay, So the 1:18:50.960 --> 1:18:54.679 first one is Susan Tereskwitts, and she was a worker 1:18:54.720 --> 1:18:57.040 at the Logan Airport. At the end of each crime, 1:18:57.080 --> 1:18:59.960 you'll be like, does it connect? Okay, a new game, 1:19:00.160 --> 1:19:03.679 A new game with tragedy. A worker at Logan Airport 1:19:03.720 --> 1:19:06.679 in Boston was murdered on September thirteen, nineteen ninety two. 1:19:06.800 --> 1:19:09.759 She was twenty seven years old. She loved roller skating 1:19:09.800 --> 1:19:14.040 and snoopy. We never really get facts about the victims, 1:19:14.040 --> 1:19:16.280 and so I'm really happy we got a little flare 1:19:16.320 --> 1:19:20.080 of her personality. She was a ramp crew chief for 1:19:20.160 --> 1:19:23.240 Northwest Airlines, which is not a thing anymore. They merged 1:19:23.280 --> 1:19:28.200 with Delta. She was working an overnight shift on Saturday 1:19:28.280 --> 1:19:30.479 night on September twelfth, and then she left to go 1:19:30.479 --> 1:19:33.880 get sandwiches from the beachmont roast beef for her coworkers, 1:19:34.000 --> 1:19:37.280 and she never came back. Susan was found thirty six 1:19:37.280 --> 1:19:39.719 hours later, beaten and stabbed to death, and her body 1:19:39.760 --> 1:19:42.240 was stuffed into the trunk of her small blue Toyota 1:19:42.280 --> 1:19:45.360 Tursell and left outside of an auto repair shop on 1:19:45.640 --> 1:19:50.640 Route one A in Revere. So the work not rivilla, Yeah, 1:19:50.840 --> 1:19:53.559 oh no, I've been to the Rivia Beach Cauntival. That's 1:19:53.600 --> 1:19:55.639 why I put all the facts in because I thought 1:19:55.680 --> 1:19:59.960 you would oh man. Yeah, well, and this is unsolved, 1:20:00.040 --> 1:20:02.200 so I'm putting as many details as I can because 1:20:02.200 --> 1:20:03.360 the tip line is still open. 1:20:04.040 --> 1:20:06.479 Oh oh god, okay, if anyone is listening. 1:20:06.560 --> 1:20:08.840 So the workers told the Harold that the car was 1:20:08.880 --> 1:20:11.200 there when they arrived for their shift that Monday morning. 1:20:11.720 --> 1:20:14.400 Her mother, Marlene, did an interview with w b Z 1:20:14.800 --> 1:20:17.360 in twenty seventeen, and she thinks that a coworker did 1:20:17.400 --> 1:20:20.599 it because she knew about a credit card scam that's 1:20:20.680 --> 1:20:23.800 the connection run by some of the other workers. And 1:20:23.840 --> 1:20:26.280 her mom believes there was a cover up, and the 1:20:26.320 --> 1:20:28.720 Boston Herald said, Marlene thinks it was backed by an 1:20:28.880 --> 1:20:34.800 organized crime backed operation. Oh no, And it's pretty significant 1:20:34.800 --> 1:20:38.519 that none of her coworkers reported her missing. So were 1:20:38.520 --> 1:20:41.920 they trying to cover for her like as coworkers do. 1:20:42.040 --> 1:20:44.800 Were they afraid of those who were harassing her or 1:20:44.960 --> 1:20:47.720 with someone like? Were some aware that what was going 1:20:47.800 --> 1:20:51.559 to happen to her? So two fellow Northwest employees, Joseph 1:20:51.680 --> 1:20:54.800 Nuzzo and Edward Flaherty, would be indicted in federal court 1:20:54.800 --> 1:20:58.040 in Boston in January nineteen ninety five on charges of 1:20:58.080 --> 1:21:01.800 stealing credit cards from United States It's mail entrusted to 1:21:01.840 --> 1:21:05.280 the airline and running a fraud racket with them from 1:21:05.320 --> 1:21:09.439 April nineteen ninety one to nineteen ninety two. Oh And 1:21:09.520 --> 1:21:12.960 Flaherty plied guilty March thirtieth, nineteen ninety five and said 1:21:12.960 --> 1:21:15.400 he did it to support his cocaine and gambling habit, 1:21:15.520 --> 1:21:17.560 which is understandable. 1:21:17.000 --> 1:21:19.160 As you do. And then Nuzo. 1:21:18.960 --> 1:21:22.080 Pled guilty as well. May twelfth, nineteen ninety five. First 1:21:22.080 --> 1:21:26.080 five separate male theft charges, two credit card fraud charges, 1:21:26.120 --> 1:21:30.599 and a conspiracy charge, and thirty five people were convicted 1:21:30.640 --> 1:21:32.920 on federal charges with their involvement in this scheme, so 1:21:32.960 --> 1:21:34.840 it wasn't just those two guys, and all ten of 1:21:34.840 --> 1:21:38.880 the baggage handlers charged plied guilty. The court documents from 1:21:38.880 --> 1:21:41.479 this case revealed that a bunch of her coworkers had 1:21:41.520 --> 1:21:45.679 harassed her and feared that she would testify about the 1:21:45.840 --> 1:21:48.160 credit card ring to the Boston and this is to 1:21:48.160 --> 1:21:51.760 the Boston Heralds that's who reported this. Marlene said there 1:21:51.800 --> 1:21:53.760 was no headway in the case for years, and she 1:21:53.880 --> 1:21:55.439 was the first one to go to the restaurant to 1:21:55.439 --> 1:21:58.880 confirm that Susan never arrived there, like the cops never 1:21:58.920 --> 1:22:02.880 even questioned the boys shop place, like it wasn't somewhat 1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:05.639 like the subspot, like she wants to get rope place, 1:22:06.000 --> 1:22:11.160 and no one ever like talked with the restaurant for years, 1:22:11.200 --> 1:22:14.000 like that seems so crazy, or to try to get 1:22:14.040 --> 1:22:16.960 security camp footage, like I'm just so confused. But the 1:22:17.040 --> 1:22:20.120 police didn't track her phone calls either. And then twelve 1:22:20.200 --> 1:22:23.559 years later a new mass State Police investigation team took 1:22:23.600 --> 1:22:28.040 over and the detective lieutenants Joseph Flaherty, I guess a 1:22:28.080 --> 1:22:31.280 real popular name, and Bob Murphy, and they try to 1:22:31.320 --> 1:22:33.519 finally track down the call, but it's like a little 1:22:33.560 --> 1:22:36.840 too late. And then for fifteen of the last twenty 1:22:36.840 --> 1:22:39.599 three years, Marlene has stood outside the airport every September 1:22:39.640 --> 1:22:43.400 thirteenth and fourteenth holding a sign asking for information. As 1:22:43.400 --> 1:22:46.320 of September twenty twenty four, still nobody's been arrested for 1:22:46.360 --> 1:22:48.920 the crime. There's a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars 1:22:48.920 --> 1:22:51.160 reward for the information, and the mom has a letter 1:22:51.160 --> 1:22:54.160 from Delta saying they would honor the original reward from 1:22:54.240 --> 1:22:58.000 like the defunct airlines, So there it is there. And 1:22:58.080 --> 1:23:00.599 no matter how small the information, you know, small things 1:23:00.600 --> 1:23:03.840 always solve crimes. So it's Suffolk County Detective Unit is 1:23:03.960 --> 1:23:07.960 six one seven seven to two seven eight eight one seven. 1:23:08.520 --> 1:23:12.040 So I think that case is more about the credit 1:23:12.080 --> 1:23:15.599 card and schemes and stuff like that. Yeah, that happened 1:23:15.640 --> 1:23:18.880 with the you know, the yuppie looking couple at the end, 1:23:19.840 --> 1:23:21.280 not yuppie waspy. 1:23:21.560 --> 1:23:25.240 Yeah, I forget the I mix, I mix all the 1:23:25.280 --> 1:23:26.080 things up. Okay. 1:23:26.120 --> 1:23:31.719 The next case is Chad McDonald's. So Chad McDonald junior 1:23:31.800 --> 1:23:35.040 was a juvenile. This is actually like insane. This is 1:23:35.080 --> 1:23:39.559 about I think the safety of informants. Okay and eight Okay, 1:23:39.600 --> 1:23:43.519 this is wild. So Chad McDonald's junior was a juvenile 1:23:43.560 --> 1:23:47.280 police snitch. The juvenile police snitch should not be a word. 1:23:48.200 --> 1:23:52.679 I mean, like a snitch who's like under eighteen a child. 1:23:52.920 --> 1:23:53.799 This it's insane. 1:23:53.960 --> 1:23:57.840 So basically he had a nice, you know, balancing life. 1:23:57.880 --> 1:23:59.679 So he was a police snitch, but also a drug 1:23:59.720 --> 1:24:02.160 added he was a runner and a go between that 1:24:02.320 --> 1:24:07.320 used his prize truck for a meth career service. So 1:24:07.360 --> 1:24:09.280 if you wanted meth and you were in this area 1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:12.559 called ORBA Linda, which is a northwest suburb of Orange County. 1:24:12.920 --> 1:24:15.200 You could contact him and you can get meth. And 1:24:15.240 --> 1:24:18.280 this is according to the La Times. Everyone knew that 1:24:18.360 --> 1:24:21.200 high school kids drug dealers. Police, they all knew. So 1:24:21.280 --> 1:24:23.960 when a Braya traffic cop pulled McDonald over on a 1:24:24.000 --> 1:24:28.640 Tuesday afternoon January sixth, nineteen ninety eight, he told MacDonald 1:24:28.640 --> 1:24:30.960 that his name and vehicle were floating around as being 1:24:31.000 --> 1:24:33.200 involved in drug dealing and asked if it was true. 1:24:33.600 --> 1:24:36.240 He said, he used to be, but like not anymore. 1:24:36.400 --> 1:24:39.360 But they arrested him. So they arrested him with possession 1:24:39.400 --> 1:24:42.200 of ten point nine to nine grams of meth. And 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:44.599 then the cops were like, hey, we'll drop these drug 1:24:44.720 --> 1:24:46.320 charges if you turn into a snitch. 1:24:46.560 --> 1:24:48.599 And then of course he was found tortured and murdered. 1:24:49.040 --> 1:24:51.920 Oh god, So his girlfriend was raped and shot and 1:24:52.000 --> 1:24:55.360 left for dead in the Angel's National Forest and she 1:24:55.520 --> 1:24:58.439 was bloody and wandering the wilderness, I mean, shot in 1:24:58.560 --> 1:25:02.120 the fucking jaw and lived and the last week of 1:25:02.120 --> 1:25:05.000 his life. What led to these events was words circulated 1:25:05.040 --> 1:25:07.200 on the streets that he was cooperating with the police. 1:25:07.640 --> 1:25:09.559 So he stayed away from home and was like in 1:25:09.600 --> 1:25:12.040 a motel in Norwalk and made regular visits to a 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:16.240 drug house and hal Court Avenue, And there are arguments 1:25:16.280 --> 1:25:20.320 where the family's lawyer, Lloyd Charton, said that he was 1:25:20.360 --> 1:25:22.240 going to the house to set up one last deal 1:25:22.280 --> 1:25:25.080 for the cops, but the Braya police said they already 1:25:25.160 --> 1:25:27.720 dropped him as an informant and were moving forward with 1:25:27.760 --> 1:25:30.200 criminal drug possession charges against the youth. 1:25:31.160 --> 1:25:32.880 I mean, I don't trust anyone. I don't know what's 1:25:32.920 --> 1:25:34.400 going on. But I don't know. 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:37.439 But while working for the cops though as as an informant, 1:25:37.520 --> 1:25:40.320 he never stopped dealing and making money as a drug person, 1:25:40.439 --> 1:25:41.920 So like that's kind of an issue. 1:25:42.200 --> 1:25:42.720 Yeah. 1:25:42.760 --> 1:25:45.240 So Justin Wright a former class but he's also a 1:25:45.280 --> 1:25:48.799 young teen child, so I don't understand why the police 1:25:48.800 --> 1:25:52.000 would ever ask him to do this. Justin Wright, a 1:25:52.040 --> 1:25:54.400 former classmate, said he would sit in the passenger seat 1:25:54.439 --> 1:25:56.760 of his truck and watch him sell drugs and then 1:25:56.840 --> 1:25:59.240 he used that excuse that he was working for the 1:25:59.280 --> 1:26:01.360 cops to explain and his mother why he was out 1:26:01.400 --> 1:26:05.120 so late. So then he bought meth on January fifteenth 1:26:05.160 --> 1:26:07.639 from a woman from that house that I mentioned earlier, 1:26:07.680 --> 1:26:09.479 Like this drug house and then a few days later 1:26:09.560 --> 1:26:12.920 that house was raided. No drugs were found, no arrests 1:26:12.920 --> 1:26:15.880 were made, but that woman shows up in February after 1:26:15.920 --> 1:26:18.360 telling gang members that he's the one that narked you 1:26:18.439 --> 1:26:20.640 know what I mean. And this is according to the 1:26:20.720 --> 1:26:23.639 lawyer to the La Times. So then two people pulled 1:26:23.640 --> 1:26:27.120 guns on the McDonald's as he denied he was working 1:26:27.120 --> 1:26:31.160 with the cops, and he like was you know, tried 1:26:31.160 --> 1:26:33.280 to live and they let him go and he was 1:26:33.320 --> 1:26:35.040 able to go back to the motel and meet up 1:26:35.040 --> 1:26:37.760 with his sixteen year old girlfriend and then they went 1:26:37.800 --> 1:26:41.480 back to the house to do more drugs. Unfortunately, while partying, 1:26:41.640 --> 1:26:45.719 Florence Leila Noriega twenty eight walked up to the girlfriend 1:26:45.720 --> 1:26:48.120 and punched her in the face and then turned to 1:26:48.240 --> 1:26:51.200 Chris and called him a snitch, and then Michael Lucas 1:26:51.240 --> 1:26:54.880 Martinez twenty one and Jose al Fredo Ebara nineteen jumped 1:26:54.960 --> 1:26:58.200 him and began to beat him. That morning, the girlfriend's 1:26:58.200 --> 1:27:00.840 mom called the cops to report her missing. After the 1:27:00.960 --> 1:27:04.960 La County Sheriff found her, they called Cindy McDonald to 1:27:05.000 --> 1:27:07.680 tell her about her son's girlfriend, but she also had 1:27:07.680 --> 1:27:10.200 not heard from her son for five days and then 1:27:10.240 --> 1:27:12.600 encouraged her to fill out a missing person's report, but 1:27:12.640 --> 1:27:14.680 it was too late because his body was found in 1:27:14.720 --> 1:27:17.360 a South la alley on March third, nineteen ninety eight. 1:27:18.200 --> 1:27:21.360 The three people convicted of the murder were sentenced to 1:27:21.439 --> 1:27:23.560 life in prison. You know, it's two men and the 1:27:23.600 --> 1:27:27.320 women that I named jose Bara Michael Martinez, Florence Noriega, 1:27:27.960 --> 1:27:32.080 the girlfriend eighteen. She fucking testified at the trial and 1:27:32.160 --> 1:27:35.040 she said she could hear McDonald being strangled in the 1:27:35.040 --> 1:27:37.320 living room while she was being detained in the kitchen. 1:27:37.680 --> 1:27:38.679 Oh my god. 1:27:39.600 --> 1:27:41.960 And then this case helped lead to some new California 1:27:42.040 --> 1:27:46.440 laws regulating the use of miners as police informants. 1:27:46.720 --> 1:27:48.720 What a good idea. 1:27:48.880 --> 1:27:51.800 The new law requires miners to get their parents to 1:27:51.840 --> 1:27:56.000 obtain permission from a judge before they become a police informant, 1:27:56.040 --> 1:27:59.559 and they can't be twelve or younger, Oh my god, 1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:03.559 thirteen to seventeen. If a judge allows it, they could 1:28:03.640 --> 1:28:09.840 do it. But sad, sad case. Wow, really upsetting, and 1:28:09.880 --> 1:28:12.760 the cops could have helped to It's just like disgusting 1:28:14.840 --> 1:28:18.160 because obviously, if we lived in a functional society like 1:28:18.439 --> 1:28:22.080 you could just help the team get off drugs. I 1:28:22.200 --> 1:28:25.240 put them into a rehab court ordered and not be like, 1:28:25.280 --> 1:28:28.519 well you go to prison or you work for us, 1:28:28.680 --> 1:28:30.479 Like what to a team? 1:28:31.200 --> 1:28:31.479 I know? 1:28:33.479 --> 1:28:33.799 Okay. 1:28:33.920 --> 1:28:37.840 The next case is Alisha cousequits so two thousand and two. 1:28:38.439 --> 1:28:40.120 This was one of the first cases in the country 1:28:40.200 --> 1:28:44.240 that spotlighted online predators who target young people and garnered 1:28:44.320 --> 1:28:48.280 national attention and triggered an FBI manhunt. So, at thirteen 1:28:48.360 --> 1:28:51.720 years old, Alisha was lured into a conversation by an 1:28:51.800 --> 1:28:55.560 online predator who groomed her for months with like flattery 1:28:55.720 --> 1:28:58.000 and you know, all the usual stuff before abducting her. 1:28:58.479 --> 1:29:00.759 Her brother introduced her to playing game on the internet, 1:29:00.800 --> 1:29:03.040 and she was like super excited to play with other people. 1:29:03.160 --> 1:29:05.679 She got a screen name, went online, just like normal 1:29:05.760 --> 1:29:08.560 stuff of that time. But there wasn't a lot of 1:29:08.680 --> 1:29:10.840 education of like what the internet can do. So I 1:29:10.880 --> 1:29:12.639 don't think a lot of people were like on guard. 1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:15.240 So she started talking to someone who she thought was 1:29:15.280 --> 1:29:17.839 just a boy her age, and he listened to everything 1:29:17.920 --> 1:29:20.360 she said and gave her advice and comforted her for 1:29:20.520 --> 1:29:24.559 nine months before the subduction. So January first, two thousand 1:29:24.560 --> 1:29:27.120 and two in Pittsburgh, which is crazy to do it 1:29:27.160 --> 1:29:27.920 on New Year's Day. 1:29:28.080 --> 1:29:30.880 It's like so like the fact this is New Year's 1:29:30.960 --> 1:29:31.479 Day is wild. 1:29:31.840 --> 1:29:34.320 So she sat with her family eating a traditional Polish 1:29:34.360 --> 1:29:36.720 New Year's dinner when she told her mom, like her 1:29:36.760 --> 1:29:39.200 stomach hurt and she wanted to go lay down before dessert. 1:29:39.560 --> 1:29:40.920 But she didn't go upstairs to her room. 1:29:41.000 --> 1:29:42.840 She went out the front door to say a quick 1:29:42.880 --> 1:29:45.400 hello to this new friend she knew from the internet. 1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:48.240 And this person was waiting in a car park down 1:29:48.280 --> 1:29:51.679 the block, and she remembers the silence and the cold, 1:29:51.960 --> 1:29:54.680 and her intuition hit her like, wait, I think this 1:29:54.720 --> 1:29:56.639 is dangerous and I don't know what I'm doing here, 1:29:56.640 --> 1:29:58.720 and I should go back home. But the moment she 1:29:58.760 --> 1:30:01.479 turned around to start walking back, she heard her name 1:30:01.520 --> 1:30:04.320 being called, and then she was snatched into a man's car. 1:30:04.960 --> 1:30:07.400 He squeezed her hands so tight it hurts so bad 1:30:07.439 --> 1:30:09.479 that and then he told her you better be good 1:30:09.479 --> 1:30:11.639 and be quiet, and then she saw handcuffs and ropes 1:30:11.680 --> 1:30:15.360 in the backseat. So he was driving and driving. I 1:30:15.360 --> 1:30:17.080 mean they even stopped. They stopped at a toll booth 1:30:17.080 --> 1:30:18.920 and she's like, okay, this is it, Like someone's gonna 1:30:18.920 --> 1:30:20.840 help me. No one helped her, so then she was 1:30:20.880 --> 1:30:23.400 feeling a lot of fear terror. Obviously, they drove for 1:30:23.520 --> 1:30:26.320 like five hours outside of Pittsburgh to Virginia, so that's 1:30:26.360 --> 1:30:28.960 crossing of state lines. And then he pulled her out 1:30:29.000 --> 1:30:30.640 of the car into the house, dragged her down a 1:30:30.640 --> 1:30:32.519 flight of stairs and put her in the basement with 1:30:32.520 --> 1:30:33.479 a padlock on the door. 1:30:33.680 --> 1:30:34.960 Everyone's fucking nightmare. 1:30:35.800 --> 1:30:38.600 He took off all her clothes and so she was 1:30:38.680 --> 1:30:41.120 naked and he said this is going to be really 1:30:41.160 --> 1:30:44.880 hard for you. It's okay, cry and that's quoted by 1:30:44.920 --> 1:30:45.439 the BBC. 1:30:46.280 --> 1:30:46.960 Oh my god. 1:30:47.200 --> 1:30:49.040 And then the details are grim for sure. 1:30:49.160 --> 1:30:49.320 You know. 1:30:49.360 --> 1:30:50.880 He put a dog collar on her neck and then 1:30:50.920 --> 1:30:53.120 dragged her upstairs to his bedroom and he changed her 1:30:53.160 --> 1:30:56.040 to the floor with the collar, and she spent four 1:30:56.120 --> 1:30:58.840 days there being raped and tortured by this man. And 1:30:58.920 --> 1:31:01.400 she knew she had to be to survive because this 1:31:01.479 --> 1:31:04.120 dude already did unspeakable things to her, and you know, 1:31:04.320 --> 1:31:06.720 he kidnapped a child, so she knew murder wasn't off 1:31:06.760 --> 1:31:08.880 the table. So like, even though she was a young teen, 1:31:09.040 --> 1:31:12.479 she did have like instincts for survival, and so she 1:31:12.560 --> 1:31:14.920 knew she had to behave and like, so on the 1:31:14.960 --> 1:31:17.360 fourth day, he said, I'm beginning to like you too much. 1:31:17.680 --> 1:31:19.960 Tonight we're going to go for a ride. And this 1:31:20.040 --> 1:31:21.960 is in the BBC and then in that moment she 1:31:22.000 --> 1:31:24.280 was like, oh, fuck, he's going to kill me. So 1:31:24.479 --> 1:31:26.600 and then he fed her for the first time in 1:31:26.640 --> 1:31:29.479 four days and then left for work, and she started 1:31:29.520 --> 1:31:31.680 to accept her own death. And then she heard like 1:31:31.720 --> 1:31:34.200 the sounds of angry men banging on the door downstairs, 1:31:34.200 --> 1:31:35.800 and her brain was like, oh, they're trying to kill me. 1:31:36.280 --> 1:31:38.679 So she rolled under the bed and she stayed quiet. 1:31:38.880 --> 1:31:42.400 But it was the FBI. They found my god, thank god. 1:31:43.600 --> 1:31:45.680 She was chained, you know, not wearing clothes. She was 1:31:45.720 --> 1:31:47.559 like trying to just cover herself up, but they cut 1:31:47.560 --> 1:31:50.240 the chain from her let her free. And then when 1:31:50.240 --> 1:31:54.479 she was held, the kidnapper broadcast himself abusing her online. 1:31:55.360 --> 1:31:57.519 So all of this was online and one of the 1:31:57.560 --> 1:32:01.880 reviewers recognized the girl from the missing person's poster. So 1:32:02.000 --> 1:32:06.280 this pedophile, I guess is a good Samaritan, but like, 1:32:06.640 --> 1:32:09.880 my thing is, so he saw the missing person posters, 1:32:10.040 --> 1:32:14.679 recognize this girl being abused, contacted the authorities. But who 1:32:14.680 --> 1:32:16.920 does he think the other children are? If he didn't 1:32:16.920 --> 1:32:19.080 see the posters, like you know what I mean, did 1:32:19.080 --> 1:32:20.680 he think those kids were volunteers. 1:32:20.720 --> 1:32:21.559 It's like so weird. 1:32:21.680 --> 1:32:28.320 Yeah, so good for this creep, but like what, thank 1:32:28.360 --> 1:32:30.919 god he like got over his own fear of probably 1:32:30.920 --> 1:32:33.840 getting prosecuted for being a pedophile. I wonder if he 1:32:33.880 --> 1:32:35.920 made a deal, Like I am really curious about that. 1:32:36.680 --> 1:32:40.280 So yeah, the greater majority of kids that are rescued 1:32:40.400 --> 1:32:43.760 is actually due to missing posters and alerts. So you know, 1:32:43.760 --> 1:32:47.280 Alicia says, like, please pay attention, pay attention to these things, 1:32:47.320 --> 1:32:52.080 because that is how she was saved. And this creep 1:32:52.120 --> 1:32:54.240 went to a phone box and called the FBI and 1:32:54.280 --> 1:32:56.640 gave them the screen name of the abuser, which then 1:32:56.720 --> 1:32:59.000 led the FBI to find his IP address, which led 1:32:59.000 --> 1:33:03.200 them to her. And she feels like they the FBI 1:33:03.280 --> 1:33:06.479 got there like only she said, like a half hour 1:33:06.520 --> 1:33:10.360 before he was scheduled to come home. So you know, 1:33:10.439 --> 1:33:12.320 she could have been dead, Like we really don't know 1:33:12.360 --> 1:33:14.360 what could have happened to her, where this ride could 1:33:14.400 --> 1:33:14.720 have been. 1:33:15.200 --> 1:33:16.800 So she was and she was with him for like 1:33:16.960 --> 1:33:20.120 a total of like four or five days, right, four days. 1:33:22.280 --> 1:33:24.760 And she now has a master's degree in forensic psychology, 1:33:25.200 --> 1:33:28.360 She's dedicated her her life to educating parents and children 1:33:28.360 --> 1:33:31.559 about the dangers of the internet. She tells People Magazine 1:33:31.640 --> 1:33:33.920 that it's part of her healing and literally it's about 1:33:34.000 --> 1:33:36.559 saving lives. And she's on the speaker circuit, so that's 1:33:36.600 --> 1:33:39.519 her full time job. She started going into schools giving 1:33:39.560 --> 1:33:42.800 presentations starting at fourteen years old. Because she tells the 1:33:42.800 --> 1:33:45.040 BBC that people are nuts and sometimes we'll say to 1:33:45.120 --> 1:33:47.000 her like, oh my god, you're so lucky. 1:33:47.160 --> 1:33:48.720 Oh it was awesome that you were only taking for 1:33:48.760 --> 1:33:50.639 four days. I mean, it could have been worse. 1:33:51.240 --> 1:33:53.519 And I was saying four days honestly because I was 1:33:53.560 --> 1:33:55.680 like surprised that the FEDS got her so fast, Like 1:33:55.720 --> 1:33:57.200 I'm find how quick they worked. 1:33:57.720 --> 1:34:01.160 Didn't I didn't think you were, Yes, just to clarify, 1:34:01.600 --> 1:34:06.200 no one thought that. But I can imagine people saying 1:34:06.200 --> 1:34:08.320 crazy things to her in that way of like oh, 1:34:08.520 --> 1:34:10.240 oh you got off easy, and it's like, oh, yeah, 1:34:10.240 --> 1:34:12.320 I guess being raped chained for four days as a 1:34:12.320 --> 1:34:13.759 breeze like fucking idiots. 1:34:13.960 --> 1:34:14.679 Oh my god. 1:34:15.040 --> 1:34:17.040 No. But the FBI also, I don't think would have 1:34:17.040 --> 1:34:19.519 gotten her without this tip. You know, It's like, right, 1:34:19.640 --> 1:34:22.479 if this pedophile didn't suddenly have like a stroke of 1:34:22.560 --> 1:34:24.320 conscient or what is it? Like, Well, it's like even 1:34:24.360 --> 1:34:26.240 like to get to the FEDS, like half the time 1:34:26.280 --> 1:34:27.800 to pick a police are like, are you sure she 1:34:27.800 --> 1:34:30.639 didn't just run away? You know, like if nobody saw 1:34:30.640 --> 1:34:32.880 her get snatched into that car. That's why the New 1:34:32.960 --> 1:34:36.680 Year's Day is crazy, Yeah, because it is. Even if 1:34:36.680 --> 1:34:38.879 it's not like a holiday holiday, it is a holiday, 1:34:39.320 --> 1:34:41.160 Like because I'm. 1:34:41.120 --> 1:34:42.479 Sure he knew she was Polish. 1:34:42.560 --> 1:34:44.560 I mean, I'm not saying that he's like a culturally 1:34:44.680 --> 1:34:47.800 intuitive man, but it's like, yeah, she's gonna be with 1:34:47.800 --> 1:34:48.880 her family on New Year's Day. 1:34:49.400 --> 1:34:50.160 Yeah whatever. 1:34:50.800 --> 1:34:54.000 Crazy So and she says even twenty years later, like 1:34:54.040 --> 1:34:56.599 the triggers pop up all the time. A roadside can 1:34:56.680 --> 1:34:59.960 send her into a panic attack, the sight of a strain, 1:35:00.080 --> 1:35:03.000 you're wearing a Pittsburgh Steelers hat, anything like triggers these 1:35:03.040 --> 1:35:06.280 horrific memories and this is, you know, decades later, and 1:35:06.320 --> 1:35:09.240 it's just something that I think we re emphasized time 1:35:09.280 --> 1:35:12.200 and time again about like Trump and the NSVIW does 1:35:12.240 --> 1:35:14.960 like about the trauma and how it sicks with you. 1:35:16.000 --> 1:35:19.519 And then the criminal pedophile rapist. He was thirty eight 1:35:19.560 --> 1:35:23.240 year old Scott Tyree. He pled guilty. He was sentenced 1:35:23.280 --> 1:35:26.519 to jail and served seventeen years behind bars in North Carolina, 1:35:26.600 --> 1:35:29.080 which I don't think is enough. He was also paroled, 1:35:29.120 --> 1:35:30.200 which I disagree with. 1:35:31.120 --> 1:35:31.800 Then he was. 1:35:31.960 --> 1:35:35.080 After holding a child for four days. They were like, 1:35:35.120 --> 1:35:38.160 this man can be rehabilitated. Yeah, so they let him out. 1:35:38.400 --> 1:35:41.719 They transferred him, Oh my god, to like a house 1:35:42.600 --> 1:35:46.120 that was in Pittsburgh, only four miles from Malicia's parents' house. 1:35:46.479 --> 1:35:47.240 Oh my god. 1:35:48.360 --> 1:35:49.519 He broke pearole quickly. 1:35:49.920 --> 1:35:52.240 Uh, he visited porn sites and a judge revoked his 1:35:52.280 --> 1:35:55.400 probation and sentenced him for that parole violation. And he 1:35:55.439 --> 1:35:57.800 was sentenced to two more years in twenty nineteen to 1:35:57.840 --> 1:36:00.360 be served in Ohio. But I found him in the 1:36:00.400 --> 1:36:04.439 Pennsylvania Sex Registry that was updated March twentieth, twenty twenty five, 1:36:04.520 --> 1:36:08.559 so recently, and it says he's still incarcerated. So I 1:36:08.600 --> 1:36:10.479 know it said he only got two more years, but 1:36:10.640 --> 1:36:12.200 he is still in prison. So I don't know if 1:36:12.200 --> 1:36:15.200 it was an additional charge or like he did something 1:36:15.240 --> 1:36:19.639 in prison, or they finally realized he shouldn't be let out. Yeah, 1:36:19.720 --> 1:36:21.240 I think he should be in prison for life. 1:36:21.280 --> 1:36:21.920 But he is. 1:36:22.040 --> 1:36:25.600 He is incarcerated, according to the Pennsylvania Sex Registry in 1:36:25.600 --> 1:36:26.920 March twentieth, twenty twenty five. 1:36:27.680 --> 1:36:32.000 No, that's life in prison. Like that's like something there's 1:36:32.040 --> 1:36:33.719 a wiring problem up there. 1:36:34.320 --> 1:36:36.679 That's fucked. Oh my god, that's so scary. 1:36:36.720 --> 1:36:39.600 I'm so glad that she was able to, like, I 1:36:39.640 --> 1:36:43.519 don't know, help people, help people, yeah, like turn her 1:36:43.640 --> 1:36:46.400 story into it's like, I mean, that's what people need 1:36:46.439 --> 1:36:48.200 to That is what kids need to hear from. They 1:36:48.200 --> 1:36:49.599 need to hear from someone that's like, yeah, I thought 1:36:49.600 --> 1:36:51.600 I was just talking to like a cool guy online, 1:36:51.720 --> 1:36:54.439 you know, and like it turned into a fucking nightmare. 1:36:54.560 --> 1:36:58.600 Like I don't even know how kids are talking to 1:36:58.640 --> 1:37:01.640 people online anymore. Is just like Instagram or like what 1:37:01.880 --> 1:37:04.360 or snapchat people probably. 1:37:04.040 --> 1:37:06.080 I don't know. I don't know. 1:37:06.120 --> 1:37:08.519 We can't, we can't. I mean, I mean, I just 1:37:08.560 --> 1:37:09.200 don't know if. 1:37:09.040 --> 1:37:10.840 Like chat rooms are still a thing, you know, I 1:37:10.840 --> 1:37:12.720 feel like it has to be more maybe. 1:37:12.520 --> 1:37:15.639 Reddit or I don't discord is a word I've been hearing, 1:37:16.760 --> 1:37:21.519 So I don't know. Yeah, So the next two cases, 1:37:21.840 --> 1:37:26.240 it's they're similar. It's like operation like worldwide operations to 1:37:26.280 --> 1:37:31.000 bring down pedophiles. So we have Operation Avalanche and Operation Cathedral. 1:37:32.000 --> 1:37:37.080 So Operation Avalanche was and it's so funny every time 1:37:37.120 --> 1:37:38.839 you read one of these things that's like the world's 1:37:38.920 --> 1:37:41.559 largest pedophile ring was brought down. But it's like every year, 1:37:41.600 --> 1:37:47.720 constantly forever, like right, So at this point, and I 1:37:47.720 --> 1:37:50.920 guess Operation Cathedral was first, I'll do that one first. 1:37:51.160 --> 1:37:53.040 Wait, can I also just say one quick thing? That 1:37:53.160 --> 1:37:56.600 last story like that happened? What in two thousand and 1:37:56.640 --> 1:38:00.960 four you said, yeah, three, Like this girl that my 1:38:01.280 --> 1:38:05.400 was in my sister's grade met a predator online and 1:38:05.680 --> 1:38:08.120 met him at a swim meet and he molested her 1:38:08.160 --> 1:38:11.440 and she wrote a book about it called Katie dot Com. 1:38:11.880 --> 1:38:13.280 And it was like one of the first times I 1:38:13.360 --> 1:38:14.920 ever heard of anything like that. And it was like 1:38:15.520 --> 1:38:19.599 in the late nineties that it happened. 1:38:19.720 --> 1:38:20.800 Yeah, I mean that's the thing. 1:38:20.880 --> 1:38:26.920 It's like every new technology is overrun by criminals and 1:38:27.400 --> 1:38:29.040 sex trade stuff immediately. 1:38:29.880 --> 1:38:30.240 Yeah. 1:38:30.320 --> 1:38:34.920 The pedophiles are constantly finding new ways to be lunatics 1:38:34.920 --> 1:38:35.639 fucking crazy. 1:38:35.640 --> 1:38:41.840 Well, yeah, like why do you have to like if 1:38:41.840 --> 1:38:45.479 you're that guy, like why are you broadcasting? I don't know, 1:38:45.600 --> 1:38:49.840 I just look for like immunity it's like finding other friends. 1:38:50.439 --> 1:38:55.240 It's but it's like even the guy. Yeah yeah, yeah, 1:38:55.280 --> 1:38:58.080 it's just like, are there any pedophiles out there that 1:38:58.120 --> 1:39:01.160 are just like doing it and not like recording every 1:39:01.200 --> 1:39:02.600 second of it, you know what I mean? It just 1:39:02.600 --> 1:39:05.200 feels like such a thing where there's always photos and 1:39:05.320 --> 1:39:06.479 video and so much like. 1:39:06.439 --> 1:39:09.800 Maybe it's also coding so hard to get a victim. 1:39:09.479 --> 1:39:11.240 That like then you want to remember it forever. 1:39:11.320 --> 1:39:16.120 I mean, I think it's just creepy, like trophy reliving, right, yeah, yeah, 1:39:16.160 --> 1:39:19.519 you're right. And yeah, it's like normal criminal behavior without 1:39:19.560 --> 1:39:23.120 any depth. So crazy how there's always like. 1:39:23.120 --> 1:39:24.960 They're also sharing. It's what we talk about where it's 1:39:24.960 --> 1:39:27.080 like one porn is not enough. They need thousands, they 1:39:27.080 --> 1:39:30.040 need thousands. So yeah, let me start. So, Operation Cathedral 1:39:30.080 --> 1:39:33.120 was a law enforcement operation across fifteen countries and it 1:39:33.160 --> 1:39:37.120 focused on investigating the Wonderland pedophile ring and it resulted 1:39:37.160 --> 1:39:40.040 in the largest sever world wise seizure of child pornography 1:39:40.560 --> 1:39:45.519 until the next operation the next year. Yeah, I love Okay. 1:39:45.600 --> 1:39:49.639 So this was in nineteen ninety eight and it started 1:39:49.880 --> 1:39:52.920 when detectives were investigating a pedophile ring known as the 1:39:53.080 --> 1:39:55.880 Orchid Club, and that was in the United States in 1:39:55.960 --> 1:40:01.040 nineteen ninety seven, and that investigations sparked from a nineteen 1:40:01.080 --> 1:40:03.240 ninety six rape of an eight year old girl that 1:40:03.360 --> 1:40:08.120 was broadcast live and Ronald Reva, the California pedophile rapist, 1:40:08.280 --> 1:40:11.680 was part of this club and it grew. So then 1:40:11.760 --> 1:40:16.640 mona man was traced to the UK named Ian Baldock. 1:40:17.400 --> 1:40:19.880 It started like a big thing, So it started in 1:40:19.880 --> 1:40:22.200 the US and then eventually was led by the British 1:40:22.320 --> 1:40:27.439 National Crime Squad And after seizing this creeps computer, they 1:40:27.479 --> 1:40:32.519 found forty two thousand images and links to a much 1:40:32.640 --> 1:40:36.800 larger international Internet based pedophile ring. And there was one 1:40:36.880 --> 1:40:41.960 hundred and forty five male members and not wait, what 1:40:42.120 --> 1:40:44.519 is it? Not all men but always a man? 1:40:45.120 --> 1:40:45.320 Yeah? 1:40:45.439 --> 1:40:49.080 Is that the nikky quote from her Gloves? Yeah? Weird? 1:40:49.560 --> 1:40:52.160 I guess, just one hundred and forty five not all 1:40:52.160 --> 1:40:55.839 men in here, okay. So the Wonderland was an invite 1:40:55.880 --> 1:40:58.639 only and you're gonna love this, so you're gonna hate it, okay. 1:40:58.680 --> 1:41:03.000 But membership was restricted to those who possessed at least 1:41:03.040 --> 1:41:07.320 ten thousand, preteen images of illegal child's abuse images, So 1:41:07.360 --> 1:41:11.280 you needed ten thousand of your own illegal pedophile porn 1:41:11.920 --> 1:41:17.280 to get into the club. Oh my god, that's your 1:41:17.400 --> 1:41:19.519 entryway unless you could prove that you do so. And 1:41:19.600 --> 1:41:22.280 also with Wonderland, the O was made into a zero 1:41:22.320 --> 1:41:23.880 to make it harder to find. So in the late 1:41:23.920 --> 1:41:25.960 eight nineties, I guess that was high end technology, Like 1:41:26.240 --> 1:41:30.280 my fucking internet passwords are harder than that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:41:30.320 --> 1:41:33.720 how many fucking more symbols the week password? 1:41:33.840 --> 1:41:34.720 Yeah? 1:41:34.800 --> 1:41:37.960 So September two, nineteen ninety eight, authorities carried out a 1:41:38.040 --> 1:41:40.400 coordinated sting and they had to so that, you know, 1:41:40.439 --> 1:41:42.760 the pedophiles didn't communicate with each other. So then more 1:41:42.760 --> 1:41:46.800 than a quarter million pedophile images were uncovered. This was 1:41:46.960 --> 1:41:51.759 and some of this was on floppy discs, compact discs, videotapes, 1:41:51.800 --> 1:41:54.000 and so with those numbers, it brought up to seven 1:41:54.080 --> 1:41:59.200 hundred and fifty thousand obscene pictures floppy discs for pedophile 1:41:59.360 --> 1:42:04.639 Like I just ca okay, and unfortunately I will share 1:42:04.680 --> 1:42:05.040 this fact. 1:42:05.200 --> 1:42:06.040 No one wants to hear it. 1:42:06.080 --> 1:42:10.280 But kids is youngest three months and the database of 1:42:10.439 --> 1:42:13.920 more than twelve hundred children circulated in our poll. Two 1:42:14.000 --> 1:42:16.639 hundred search warrants were issued, one hundred men were arrested 1:42:16.640 --> 1:42:19.480 in one hundred and seven coordinator raids across three continents. 1:42:20.200 --> 1:42:23.960 This was the largest international police operation mounted against any crime. 1:42:25.320 --> 1:42:27.519 But for some reason, the UK has super low sentences 1:42:27.520 --> 1:42:29.839 for pedophiles. I guess it's because of the royal family. 1:42:30.000 --> 1:42:32.720 Like I don't knowh my god, so like at the 1:42:32.760 --> 1:42:35.280 time they increased the penalty and the max is still 1:42:35.320 --> 1:42:39.520 only ten years. The max used to be three years. Wow, 1:42:40.040 --> 1:42:43.600 and that's for distribution. Possession went from six months to 1:42:43.640 --> 1:42:47.559 five years, so for distribution of child sex abuse images 1:42:47.600 --> 1:42:49.800 the max had to be changed to only still ten 1:42:49.880 --> 1:42:55.559 years Jesus. The head guy was Peter Giardano, which fuck 1:42:55.640 --> 1:43:00.600 you for tainting my pizza. Restaurant was thirty seven at 1:43:00.640 --> 1:43:02.840 the time, and his nickname was Harry Mudd And I 1:43:02.880 --> 1:43:04.280 guess that was a star Trek thing. 1:43:04.439 --> 1:43:06.400 So nerds can be pedophiles too. 1:43:07.320 --> 1:43:10.839 And he was a sales clerk for an electronics supply 1:43:11.000 --> 1:43:14.360 store and lived with his parents. He was arrested by 1:43:14.479 --> 1:43:16.559 US Customs agents at his home in New York. He 1:43:16.600 --> 1:43:20.439 pled guilty for distributing child sex abuse images. He admitted 1:43:20.439 --> 1:43:23.560 it in Federal District Court in Brooklyn and admitted Wonderland 1:43:23.600 --> 1:43:26.519 was named after Alice. In Wonderland, he operated the site 1:43:26.520 --> 1:43:29.360 from March ninety seven to ninety eight. And he's only face. 1:43:29.439 --> 1:43:31.080 He was only facing eleven and a half years. And 1:43:31.080 --> 1:43:33.240 I couldn't find anything. I couldn't find him on a registry. 1:43:33.479 --> 1:43:36.000 I couldn't find his records in prison. I couldn't find 1:43:36.040 --> 1:43:37.920 shit about this guy. I think he changed his name 1:43:37.960 --> 1:43:41.000 and I don't know. Yeah, couldn't find an obituary, couldn't 1:43:41.000 --> 1:43:42.280 find nothing on this guy. 1:43:42.600 --> 1:43:46.479 Wow, Well, if he's an internet guy, maybe he figured 1:43:46.479 --> 1:43:47.960 out how to get rid of all that shit about 1:43:48.000 --> 1:43:48.320 him too. 1:43:48.479 --> 1:43:52.240 Only faced eleven and a half years. Like, I really 1:43:52.240 --> 1:43:55.879 don't understand. I really don't understand. So the other operation 1:43:55.960 --> 1:44:00.080 which happened after was the world's largest child porn investigation. 1:44:01.280 --> 1:44:01.920 That began. 1:44:02.000 --> 1:44:04.680 It's Operation Avalanche. It began in the US and the 1:44:04.720 --> 1:44:07.760 code name was OA. Avalanche began in ninety nine when 1:44:07.800 --> 1:44:12.280 postal inspectors discover that a Fort Worth, Texas company, Landslide Productions, Inc. 1:44:12.680 --> 1:44:16.479 Operated and owned by scumbag married couple Thomas and Janis Reedy. 1:44:17.080 --> 1:44:19.920 Customers from around the world were paying monthly subscription fees 1:44:20.040 --> 1:44:22.800 via post office box a peal box. I don't know 1:44:22.840 --> 1:44:26.200 why I spelled it all out so the postal Inspectors 1:44:26.240 --> 1:44:31.280 and the Dallas ICAAC Task Force teamed together initiated what 1:44:31.320 --> 1:44:35.960 would become a child exploitation case of unprecedented magnitude. His 1:44:36.080 --> 1:44:40.160 empire included two hundred and fifty thousand subscribers across three 1:44:40.160 --> 1:44:43.519 continents and making one point four million dollars a month. 1:44:44.479 --> 1:44:47.280 And you know what, I bet there are men alive 1:44:47.320 --> 1:44:49.720 and well right now that are more pissed that only 1:44:49.840 --> 1:44:53.599 fans adult women make that much money a mon than 1:44:53.600 --> 1:44:58.080 they are that these pedophiles are. Yeah, for sure, a 1:44:58.600 --> 1:45:02.880 tax i just like it just sickens me. So he 1:45:03.000 --> 1:45:05.600 realized he can make money by providing the technical know 1:45:05.720 --> 1:45:08.759 how to allow secure access to porn sites while protecting 1:45:08.800 --> 1:45:12.320 the identity of the user. Him and his creep accomplices 1:45:12.439 --> 1:45:15.280 built a network of sites and data stores, and even 1:45:15.320 --> 1:45:18.760 though it was operating through a quote unquote gateway in Texas, 1:45:19.240 --> 1:45:22.439 the material that was being access it was cited around 1:45:22.439 --> 1:45:26.040 the world, mostly in Russia and Indonesia. And the big 1:45:26.080 --> 1:45:28.439 simple piece of the detective work that led officers to 1:45:28.479 --> 1:45:31.840 the first arrests were credit card numbers. All the subscribers 1:45:31.920 --> 1:45:34.200 had to provide a credit card number so that Redi's 1:45:34.240 --> 1:45:37.240 gateway could verify who they were before charging them for 1:45:37.320 --> 1:45:40.760 access to five seven hundred sites within the network. He 1:45:40.880 --> 1:45:44.160 was found guilty December two thousand of eighty nine charges. 1:45:44.800 --> 1:45:47.600 On a Monday, August sixth two thousand and one, a 1:45:47.680 --> 1:45:52.040 Texas computer consultant, Thomas Redi was jailed for three hundred 1:45:52.040 --> 1:45:54.720 and thirty five years. WHOA, Now that's a sentence. That's 1:45:54.760 --> 1:45:57.360 what you get for distributing child pornography. But I bet 1:45:57.360 --> 1:45:59.280 it's because of the credit cards. Like that's what it is. 1:45:59.320 --> 1:46:01.519 It's because of the Yeah, some credit cards, has nothing 1:46:01.520 --> 1:46:06.760 to do with like abusing children. So he got yeah once, yeah, 1:46:06.760 --> 1:46:08.800 that many years. And then his wife, also part of 1:46:08.800 --> 1:46:13.080 the operation, was jailed. So fuck Janie and she got 1:46:13.080 --> 1:46:14.400 fourteen years in prison. 1:46:15.840 --> 1:46:16.679 Oh my god. 1:46:17.120 --> 1:46:20.040 This was a two year investigation and it was successful 1:46:20.040 --> 1:46:24.160 and dismantling the largest commercial child sex abuse image enterprise 1:46:24.240 --> 1:46:27.599 ever at that point uncovered and like they took down 1:46:27.720 --> 1:46:28.800 Landslide Productions. 1:46:28.840 --> 1:46:31.439 But you know, I'm sure there's been like, yeah, fifty 1:46:31.640 --> 1:46:35.519 thousand more of these busts ever since. Operation Cathedral seems 1:46:35.560 --> 1:46:38.640 a little bit. Cathedrals are like religious buildings, and it 1:46:38.760 --> 1:46:41.040 just feels like that's where a lot of pedophilia is happening. 1:46:41.080 --> 1:46:43.960 So maybe don't call it that, but operation Avalanche makes 1:46:43.960 --> 1:46:49.280 perfect sense, getting bigger, like an avalanche just snowballs bigger 1:46:49.280 --> 1:46:50.320 and bigger as you go. 1:46:50.439 --> 1:46:55.360 Like ugh, yeah, oh my god, it's devastating, it's annoying. 1:46:55.560 --> 1:46:58.280 And the loudest people are the ones pretending to care 1:46:58.320 --> 1:47:02.720 about this, you know, yeah, like you know, oh, no, 1:47:02.880 --> 1:47:05.360 human trafficking. And it's like Matt Gates is truly a 1:47:05.640 --> 1:47:07.320 human trafficking pedophile. 1:47:07.439 --> 1:47:08.320 No one cares. 1:47:09.160 --> 1:47:12.719 I just our presidents as Brett Kavanaugh's rapist. 1:47:12.920 --> 1:47:14.720 I mean, no one care. It's from the top. 1:47:14.840 --> 1:47:16.880 It's just like it's just like it's like but it's 1:47:16.880 --> 1:47:23.160 like adult porn nography is so readily available now, and 1:47:24.560 --> 1:47:27.320 I just these are people that are just attracted to children. 1:47:27.320 --> 1:47:29.720 And I don't know what we do about that castration. 1:47:30.080 --> 1:47:33.200 I'm a big proponent of crass castration. Chemical castration. 1:47:33.280 --> 1:47:35.240 Maybe that's what I should ask to go on subway 1:47:35.280 --> 1:47:39.080 takes with we need a chemically castrates a pedophiles. 1:47:39.360 --> 1:47:44.240 Okay, well, but that episode was harrowing, and but we 1:47:44.280 --> 1:47:46.599 did get to see stable or go to fake prague. 1:47:46.800 --> 1:47:48.519 Don't go anywhere We've got a great guest. 1:47:56.160 --> 1:48:00.240 Our guest today is a prolific film actor who has 1:48:00.280 --> 1:48:02.879 played both the boy next door in films like Stella 1:48:02.960 --> 1:48:06.960 and Stealing Home, but also a terrifying serial killer in 1:48:07.000 --> 1:48:09.240 a film that haunted me as a Clank Family classic 1:48:09.520 --> 1:48:12.680 called Copycat. However, you know him best for his very 1:48:12.720 --> 1:48:16.200 brief run as Elliott Stabler's new partner, Detective Sam Bishop. 1:48:16.560 --> 1:48:19.480 Please enjoy our chat with William McNamara. 1:48:20.040 --> 1:48:22.360 Well, this happened so long ago, this episode. 1:48:22.400 --> 1:48:24.240 Are there things like right off the bat that you 1:48:24.320 --> 1:48:28.559 remember that we're exciting some scoop? 1:48:29.240 --> 1:48:31.640 Well, it's it's crazy because I was. I. I had 1:48:31.760 --> 1:48:33.759 moved back to New York for a couple of years, 1:48:34.920 --> 1:48:38.439 and so right when I got there, my agent Quo said, Hey, 1:48:38.479 --> 1:48:41.720 that the producers of of v Loder Wander want to 1:48:41.760 --> 1:48:43.920 meet with you of like all the law and order 1:48:43.960 --> 1:48:46.559 shows that we're in New York whatever that is. And 1:48:46.680 --> 1:48:49.439 so I was like, oh great. They said they're interested 1:48:49.479 --> 1:48:52.120 in possibly, you know, having you on the show. And 1:48:52.200 --> 1:48:54.080 I thought it was going to be like a guest star, 1:48:54.439 --> 1:48:57.240 like a bad guy, you know, maybe a pedophile or 1:48:57.680 --> 1:49:00.719 some kind of criminal, you know, wife beaters, something like that, 1:49:01.439 --> 1:49:04.560 and so I went and I met with them and 1:49:04.640 --> 1:49:06.920 there's like fifteen people in the room. They were super 1:49:07.000 --> 1:49:10.479 nice to me, and and I said, oh, so, what 1:49:10.520 --> 1:49:13.559 are you guys thinking, Like like a two part guest 1:49:13.560 --> 1:49:15.519 star would be great, and they said, oh no, no, no, 1:49:15.560 --> 1:49:19.040 we're actually we're thinking about having you come on. The 1:49:19.080 --> 1:49:21.839 show isn't a news series regular. 1:49:22.520 --> 1:49:23.839 It's wow. 1:49:24.280 --> 1:49:27.640 I was shocked. I was like, oh, wow, that's that 1:49:28.000 --> 1:49:31.080 would be great. That's not what I was expecting. I 1:49:31.080 --> 1:49:33.240 had no idea what the meeting was about. The agent 1:49:33.280 --> 1:49:35.800 ever told me. So anyway, they said, yeah, let us 1:49:35.840 --> 1:49:37.639 think about it, and let us think of there's something 1:49:37.640 --> 1:49:40.680 we could do, and then and then we'll get back 1:49:40.680 --> 1:49:43.400 to you. I don't know whatever. You know, you hear 1:49:43.439 --> 1:49:46.040 that stuff all the time in the rooms and and 1:49:46.080 --> 1:49:48.880 then nothing really comes up. But then yes, they called 1:49:48.960 --> 1:49:51.840 me and said we have this this thing we want 1:49:51.840 --> 1:49:54.080 to do, you know, just off the top six episodes. 1:49:54.720 --> 1:49:57.439 And they offered me very little money, which was fine. 1:49:57.479 --> 1:49:59.439 They said, you need us more than we need you. 1:49:59.640 --> 1:50:03.040 I said whatever. I said, Okay, no worries. And so 1:50:03.760 --> 1:50:05.640 I don't know if you guys know this, but I 1:50:05.640 --> 1:50:07.719 wonder if I should talk about this, but I don't, 1:50:07.760 --> 1:50:10.559 you know, I don't think you don't think like Chris 1:50:10.560 --> 1:50:13.880 Maloney and Musco harget Tae get along too well? Is that? 1:50:14.040 --> 1:50:16.200 Wow? No, we're we're excited to hear that. 1:50:16.320 --> 1:50:16.880 I think they do. 1:50:17.120 --> 1:50:20.799 Now today they're always like posing in photos together and stuff. 1:50:20.800 --> 1:50:23.760 But I think maybe back then it's possible because like this, 1:50:23.920 --> 1:50:25.880 this is season four, This is like the beginning of 1:50:26.160 --> 1:50:27.720 pretty much the beginning, you. 1:50:27.640 --> 1:50:32.240 Know, And I think they wanted to somehow get them 1:50:32.280 --> 1:50:38.000 both new partners. Woa, So I became Chris's I was 1:50:38.040 --> 1:50:41.400 supposed to become Chris's new partner, transferring from homicide to 1:50:41.439 --> 1:50:44.800 Special Victims. Yeah, because our paths crossed, because I was 1:50:44.840 --> 1:50:48.280 investigating homicide and our paths cross and I really like 1:50:48.600 --> 1:50:52.120 su so I was supposed to become a new character 1:50:52.280 --> 1:50:56.800 and his partner. Meanwhile, marisk Hain got a new partner too, 1:50:56.880 --> 1:51:00.320 which is a guy. Back then I can't remember that 1:51:00.680 --> 1:51:02.599 was didn't she get married? 1:51:02.840 --> 1:51:05.200 I'll never let her be happy. She can never get married, 1:51:05.920 --> 1:51:09.760 they keep on the show. Yes, yes, yes, but her 1:51:09.840 --> 1:51:11.880 husband in real life is a lawyer. On the show, 1:51:11.920 --> 1:51:15.920 he's not a cop, so okay. But yeah, so it 1:51:16.040 --> 1:51:19.639 was something to do with that. Uh that so because 1:51:19.720 --> 1:51:22.920 Chris is very abrasive. 1:51:23.240 --> 1:51:25.200 Yeah, we've heard. 1:51:26.960 --> 1:51:30.200 And he right off the bat just didn't like me immediately, 1:51:30.280 --> 1:51:33.680 Oh god, and uh and and made it no, he 1:51:33.840 --> 1:51:36.280 wasn't going behind my back and saying he was on 1:51:36.320 --> 1:51:39.320 the set all the time saying stuff and just. 1:51:39.880 --> 1:51:42.479 That must be hard to work while someone is saying 1:51:42.520 --> 1:51:44.920 they don't the making it clear they don't like you. 1:51:45.840 --> 1:51:48.400 Yeah, and then and so I think that I think 1:51:48.439 --> 1:51:50.519 they made me for all six episodes, which is nice, 1:51:50.520 --> 1:51:52.400 but they said, oh it's you know, Chris is so unhappy. 1:51:52.479 --> 1:51:54.720 We can't have that. And I think another guy came. 1:51:54.920 --> 1:51:56.360 I think they brought another guy and I don't. 1:51:56.439 --> 1:51:59.360 Well, well, it's funny because like it actually becomes kind 1:51:59.360 --> 1:52:02.720 of a trope on the show where he has to 1:52:02.800 --> 1:52:05.839 work with another guy and if they don't start working together, 1:52:05.880 --> 1:52:07.880 they're not going to solve the case. And they butt 1:52:08.000 --> 1:52:10.920 heads because they have different styles, but they're both rogue 1:52:10.960 --> 1:52:13.120 guys that do things march to the beat of their 1:52:13.120 --> 1:52:15.719 own drum. And like you're one of those classic guys. 1:52:15.760 --> 1:52:17.880 Maybe you're one of the first because you're so early 1:52:17.880 --> 1:52:20.120 in the episode. But they do that with him many 1:52:20.160 --> 1:52:24.040 more times. And he doesn't really ever get another partner 1:52:24.080 --> 1:52:25.439 besides her because no. 1:52:25.760 --> 1:52:29.040 Because he kept not approving Again that found out later 1:52:29.120 --> 1:52:31.600 on they said, we don't worry, Billy, you weren't they 1:52:31.720 --> 1:52:35.800 They keep trying and he doesn't approve it to anybody. 1:52:35.360 --> 1:52:40.639 And he literally only has another partner for there's actually 1:52:40.680 --> 1:52:44.400 even it's a woman. Yeah, but there's also a storyline 1:52:44.400 --> 1:52:47.000 where Ice Tea becomes his partner and I and Finn 1:52:47.040 --> 1:52:49.360 hates working with him. Finn's like, oh God, I gotta 1:52:49.360 --> 1:52:51.360 be partners with this guy, and he requests not to be, 1:52:51.680 --> 1:52:54.400 and then he becomes partners with another woman when when 1:52:54.479 --> 1:52:57.679 when Mushka Hargete was out on maternity leave, and that's 1:52:57.680 --> 1:53:00.839 the only time he really ever could have another partner. 1:53:01.479 --> 1:53:02.160 Interesting. 1:53:02.400 --> 1:53:04.840 So I was a part of that thing, and it 1:53:04.880 --> 1:53:08.160 was a very uncomfortable you know, working for like the 1:53:08.160 --> 1:53:10.160 week or however many days we show. I can't remember, 1:53:10.160 --> 1:53:13.040 it's been so long, but but yeah, so that it 1:53:13.120 --> 1:53:14.360 was not a great experience. 1:53:14.640 --> 1:53:15.800 Oh I'm sorry to hear that. 1:53:15.880 --> 1:53:17.840 I mean, it's so funny because I'm like thrilled to 1:53:17.920 --> 1:53:20.800 hear it, Like, yeah, we're really getting dirt. We never 1:53:20.840 --> 1:53:23.800 get this kind of information and We're very grateful to you, 1:53:23.960 --> 1:53:25.960 but sorry, it was obviously. 1:53:25.479 --> 1:53:28.200 Not because you know, the show in twenty The show's 1:53:28.200 --> 1:53:31.400 in its twenty sixth season, right, and Marishka has been 1:53:31.400 --> 1:53:35.160 there the last fourteen since he left. So the majority 1:53:35.160 --> 1:53:36.800 of the guests we have on the podcast are like, 1:53:37.360 --> 1:53:40.920 Marishka Hargatee got me my agent, she let me cry 1:53:40.960 --> 1:53:42.880 on her shoulder after my mom died. I mean like 1:53:42.960 --> 1:53:46.000 she literally is an angel to all these people. And 1:53:46.040 --> 1:53:48.320 then anyone that has to work more one on one 1:53:48.360 --> 1:53:52.400 with Maloney has a little bit more of a reserved 1:53:52.840 --> 1:53:55.280 The compliments aren't quite as flowing as I'll say that, 1:53:55.400 --> 1:53:57.479 you know, everybody's more like he's good. 1:53:57.280 --> 1:53:59.680 He's intense, he's you know. But I didn't get the 1:53:59.760 --> 1:54:02.240 sense that I couldn't tell on screen. 1:54:02.280 --> 1:54:03.960 I mean maybe it helped the tension of the two 1:54:04.040 --> 1:54:07.080 characters being kind of like you know, right. 1:54:07.160 --> 1:54:07.840 But now that you. 1:54:07.960 --> 1:54:10.760 Say it, it totally makes sense, because it does seem 1:54:10.800 --> 1:54:14.240 because you you just disappear mid episode, never to be 1:54:14.240 --> 1:54:17.759 heard from, so that it's not like your storyline doesn't 1:54:17.760 --> 1:54:19.400 get closed out. It's not like you go back to 1:54:19.479 --> 1:54:22.120 homicide you decide it's too much to have living victim. 1:54:22.120 --> 1:54:25.320 You know, it was weird, and now this totally makes 1:54:25.360 --> 1:54:28.080 sense why you didn't go to Prague or you know, 1:54:28.120 --> 1:54:30.240 you didn't come he didn't come here, because I continue 1:54:30.240 --> 1:54:32.240 with you, it is strange. 1:54:32.880 --> 1:54:35.040 I started to write a question, did you feel sad 1:54:35.080 --> 1:54:36.160 you didn't get to go to Prague? 1:54:36.160 --> 1:54:37.520 And then I googled it and of course they're not 1:54:37.520 --> 1:54:39.400 in Prague. They're in Greenwich Village. 1:54:39.400 --> 1:54:42.040 The entire time, you did like a one green screen 1:54:42.120 --> 1:54:45.600 insert shot on the show of him on a chech 1:54:45.760 --> 1:54:46.880 street and that was it. 1:54:47.240 --> 1:54:49.839 But so how do you get it together? 1:54:50.000 --> 1:54:52.360 Like, let's say you're on set, things are uncomfortable, this 1:54:52.440 --> 1:54:54.280 guy doesn't like you. What do you do as an 1:54:54.320 --> 1:54:57.560 actor to still perform in that kind of environment. 1:54:58.360 --> 1:55:00.280 Well, you just have to deal with it, you know, 1:55:00.360 --> 1:55:02.760 he says, to have to assist something. And I was 1:55:02.800 --> 1:55:05.200 actually at the time, I was going through a lawsuit 1:55:05.200 --> 1:55:07.840 re learning my home in Malibu, so I was also 1:55:08.040 --> 1:55:12.480 consumed with this, the situation that was happening in Malibu. 1:55:13.000 --> 1:55:15.120 So that was the He was the least of my 1:55:15.200 --> 1:55:16.880 worries at the time. So maybe that was a good 1:55:16.920 --> 1:55:19.480 thing they didn't get to me because I was you 1:55:19.520 --> 1:55:23.520 had other stuff going on. Yeah, major stuff concerning a 1:55:23.520 --> 1:55:26.640 lot of money, so it was a it was a 1:55:26.680 --> 1:55:30.240 minor concern, but it was uncomfortable working with him. He 1:55:30.760 --> 1:55:33.800 didn't like anything that I did. And I remember on 1:55:33.800 --> 1:55:37.600 one scene when we go to where we'd think the 1:55:37.600 --> 1:55:40.920 perpetrator works, but we'd go to the office and there's 1:55:40.960 --> 1:55:44.720 a receptionist and they don't. You don't really do rehearsals. 1:55:44.720 --> 1:55:46.800 They just do a quick blocking and they shoot. There's 1:55:46.840 --> 1:55:50.520 no time for rehearsals on these shows. And it's it's 1:55:50.560 --> 1:55:53.560 tough for the guest stars because because we were walking 1:55:53.560 --> 1:55:56.440 into this, they'll give us every game, so they got 1:55:56.480 --> 1:56:00.640 their character is built already. And so I flashed my 1:56:00.760 --> 1:56:03.600 badge and I was I was doing it a sort 1:56:03.600 --> 1:56:07.240 of a takeoff on the best badge flasher in the 1:56:07.240 --> 1:56:10.440 world was Steve McQueen in a movie called I think 1:56:10.440 --> 1:56:12.600 it's called Bullet, And so I thought, oh, I want 1:56:12.600 --> 1:56:14.800 to do the Steve McQueen because he does it really fast. 1:56:14.800 --> 1:56:17.000 It's a real fast thing. It's like a second nature. 1:56:18.160 --> 1:56:21.400 And so I did that and Maloney stopped for production 1:56:22.240 --> 1:56:24.640 and just started screaming at me. He said, don't ever 1:56:24.960 --> 1:56:28.840 flash your badge on my set. Why Wow, I had. 1:56:29.400 --> 1:56:31.120 I had no idea. It was just the whole thing 1:56:31.280 --> 1:56:34.160 was it was like that time after time after time 1:56:34.200 --> 1:56:36.920 after time. So it was it was shocking. It was 1:56:36.960 --> 1:56:38.440 bizarre and so. 1:56:38.600 --> 1:56:40.080 And did it seem like the rest of the crew 1:56:40.160 --> 1:56:41.920 was kind of used to it or people like what 1:56:41.960 --> 1:56:42.520 the fuck? 1:56:43.560 --> 1:56:44.720 No, they were used to it. 1:56:45.080 --> 1:56:47.320 They were used to it. Yeah. 1:56:47.440 --> 1:56:49.360 I was gonna say, maybe he was just having a 1:56:49.400 --> 1:56:52.040 bad week or something. But it doesn't sound like it 1:56:52.560 --> 1:56:55.360 don't flash a badge on my set. It sounds like 1:56:55.440 --> 1:56:57.800 that's not a massive choice, you know, that's like a 1:56:57.880 --> 1:56:58.800 very subtle choice. 1:56:58.840 --> 1:57:01.280 That's not like Well says that she's the only person 1:57:01.320 --> 1:57:04.280 that's allowed to flash the badge on the set. 1:57:04.640 --> 1:57:06.960 Okay, so it's like a pissing contest at that point. 1:57:07.040 --> 1:57:09.880 That's like silly. And I didn't even know. I was like, 1:57:09.960 --> 1:57:11.960 you know, I wasn't trying to do a pissing contest. 1:57:12.000 --> 1:57:14.320 I was just trying to do an homage to Steve McQueen. 1:57:14.360 --> 1:57:17.160 I wasn't even thinking of him or any. 1:57:18.440 --> 1:57:23.800 So, oh, jeez, have you worked with other maniacs? You 1:57:23.960 --> 1:57:26.640 have such a long career, you work all the time. 1:57:26.840 --> 1:57:29.560 Is the stick out as one of the craziest or 1:57:29.600 --> 1:57:34.080 have you been witnessed to other looney moments? Uh? 1:57:34.200 --> 1:57:37.120 You know, there's there's there's other there's other situations. I'm 1:57:37.120 --> 1:57:38.480 not going to sure. 1:57:39.880 --> 1:57:41.839 Name names, William name names. 1:57:42.360 --> 1:57:45.000 This is gonna be our highest rated episode of all 1:57:45.080 --> 1:57:53.240 times with the information. So carah, Okay, he's in a 1:57:53.280 --> 1:57:55.720 family classic. You gotta bring Yeah, you're in. 1:57:55.920 --> 1:57:58.000 We have to talk about other movies in your career 1:57:58.080 --> 1:58:01.240 because your IMDb was really was really killing me. Like, 1:58:01.520 --> 1:58:03.640 first of all, you're in this bet Midler movie called 1:58:03.680 --> 1:58:06.080 Stella that is like a classic in my family. 1:58:07.160 --> 1:58:08.720 Oh right, yes, yes? 1:58:09.080 --> 1:58:11.680 Is that is that like a good experience making that movie? 1:58:11.800 --> 1:58:13.880 Or please don't tell me Bette Midler's bad. I can't 1:58:13.880 --> 1:58:14.960 hear it. I can't hear it. 1:58:15.200 --> 1:58:20.040 Oh no, oh no, she was, she's actually she's amazing. 1:58:20.120 --> 1:58:22.680 Actually I have to give her kudos. I had a 1:58:22.720 --> 1:58:26.760 small role in the movie and she was warming. He 1:58:26.840 --> 1:58:30.760 was in New York City and she she said, if 1:58:30.760 --> 1:58:32.520 you ever want to, you know, come see any of 1:58:32.520 --> 1:58:37.240 my shows, let me know. And so I was in 1:58:37.240 --> 1:58:39.960 New York City and she was doing some live showing. 1:58:40.160 --> 1:58:42.160 I can't know what it was. This is after Stella, 1:58:43.000 --> 1:58:45.920 And so I didn't have her number, and so I 1:58:46.000 --> 1:58:49.360 called the box office said, oh, Billy mc milla said 1:58:49.400 --> 1:58:52.160 to you know, if everon's looking for something, you know, 1:58:52.600 --> 1:58:56.560 because oh, we'll give her the message. And I never 1:58:56.640 --> 1:58:58.760 thought and whenever, I never thought i'd hear back. And 1:58:59.040 --> 1:59:03.400 now we're laying my phone. Oh hey, Billy, I worked 1:59:03.440 --> 1:59:07.400 took that and yeah you're come on down. Yeah, VIP, 1:59:07.640 --> 1:59:10.360 come on down. It's like I couldn't believe it. Wow, 1:59:10.520 --> 1:59:11.480 you got it was like her. 1:59:11.840 --> 1:59:13.960 It was like her doing like a cabaret type thing, 1:59:14.080 --> 1:59:15.120 like singing. 1:59:14.800 --> 1:59:17.280 And I can't remember what it was. 1:59:17.400 --> 1:59:20.120 Oh, man, that's so cool. She's like my ultimate. 1:59:20.160 --> 1:59:22.320 I was obsessed with her as a child, so I'd 1:59:22.360 --> 1:59:25.600 seen her whole catalog. And then famously in the movie Stella, 1:59:25.720 --> 1:59:28.040 she's like a bad mom and she has a birthday 1:59:28.040 --> 1:59:30.560 party for her daughter and forgets to send the invitation 1:59:30.680 --> 1:59:33.840 so nobody shows up. So anytime in my life where 1:59:34.000 --> 1:59:35.720 I'm having a party and I'm waiting for people to 1:59:35.760 --> 1:59:37.640 come over, I'm always like, I hope this doesn't turn 1:59:37.680 --> 1:59:39.240 into a Stella situation. 1:59:39.720 --> 1:59:41.600 So it's a it's just a big part of my life. 1:59:41.880 --> 1:59:45.760 But also the movie Copycat, I can understand why you 1:59:45.760 --> 1:59:47.480 thought when you did Law and Order SVU that you 1:59:47.480 --> 1:59:51.040 were going to be a a murderer or a villain 1:59:51.160 --> 1:59:55.440 because you play this murderer in this movie Copycat, which 1:59:55.600 --> 1:59:59.520 used to give me nightmares. All Star casts, Sigourney Weaver, 2:00:00.000 --> 2:00:04.040 ally Hunter, you, Harry Connick Junior. I used to have 2:00:04.120 --> 2:00:07.200 to close my closet doors in my room because I 2:00:07.240 --> 2:00:12.120 thought that you guys were in my closets. So excellent job, 2:00:12.160 --> 2:00:15.880 excellent job, terrifying young teens, right. 2:00:16.000 --> 2:00:19.800 But geez, like, hey, I want to watch Harry movies. 2:00:20.080 --> 2:00:22.839 You should watch Copycat because it's all about serial killers 2:00:22.960 --> 2:00:27.040 and like it's really and you have like you're you're 2:00:27.160 --> 2:00:30.040 scary in it because you have this like handsome, clean 2:00:30.080 --> 2:00:30.760 shaven face. 2:00:30.800 --> 2:00:31.880 You don't, you know. 2:00:32.080 --> 2:00:34.040 I ever, my dad used to always say to me 2:00:34.720 --> 2:00:36.960 Ted Bundy didn't look like the wolf man, you know, 2:00:37.200 --> 2:00:39.760 like you didn't, you know, like you can't trust what 2:00:39.840 --> 2:00:41.760 people like. You can't judge a book by its cover, 2:00:41.840 --> 2:00:44.000 of course, but like you don't look you look like 2:00:44.000 --> 2:00:47.120 a little nice guy, and then you're out here murdering people. 2:00:47.720 --> 2:00:48.600 And that's right. 2:00:49.120 --> 2:00:51.920 That movie is just so terrifying and oh, good job. 2:00:54.360 --> 2:00:57.160 Stories from shooting that it starts studded. 2:00:57.840 --> 2:01:02.400 That that's an interesting story of all around. It was weird. 2:01:02.440 --> 2:01:02.600 You know. 2:01:02.680 --> 2:01:06.480 I started my career with the movie Jodie Foster called 2:01:06.480 --> 2:01:11.280 Stealing Home, Yeah, which hugely yeah, iconic. But I played 2:01:11.280 --> 2:01:14.400 the boy next door, the nice boy next door. So 2:01:14.520 --> 2:01:17.840 for years that was my entrede to Hollywood. So for 2:01:17.960 --> 2:01:20.960 years I got those kinds of roles. Hence the bet 2:01:21.000 --> 2:01:24.320 Midler movie. I was the nice boyfriend. Ben Stiller was 2:01:24.360 --> 2:01:26.640 the bad boyfriend. I played the good guy, and she 2:01:26.760 --> 2:01:28.960 ends up mirroring ben Stiller is the bad guy. So 2:01:29.000 --> 2:01:32.040 I played all those roles, which aren't that interesting. I'd 2:01:32.120 --> 2:01:34.280 rather play Ben Stiller role, to be honest with you, 2:01:34.320 --> 2:01:37.360 in that movie, I'd rather be himmed so when I 2:01:37.480 --> 2:01:40.360 wasn't so because of Stealing Home, and so for years, 2:01:40.400 --> 2:01:43.040 my agent kept trying to get me in on more 2:01:43.720 --> 2:01:47.360 edgier roles you know, that have more challenge to them. 2:01:47.960 --> 2:01:50.680 And the cast trajection was said, oh no, no, Philly's 2:01:50.720 --> 2:01:54.800 too soft, you can't play that role. So I had 2:01:54.800 --> 2:01:57.280 that for years, and then out of the blue, the 2:01:57.400 --> 2:02:01.160 director wanted me to. I met with the director John 2:02:01.200 --> 2:02:04.600 Emeial for Copycat. I read the script and I thought 2:02:04.640 --> 2:02:09.560 I was meeting for the dermomt Maulrooney role, the detective partner, 2:02:09.880 --> 2:02:12.360 the Hunter's partner. That would be the appropriate role for me. 2:02:12.400 --> 2:02:15.440 That's all I wanted. I've never never because I've been 2:02:15.440 --> 2:02:18.240 told for so many years I'm soft. I'm a soft actor, 2:02:19.320 --> 2:02:24.200 so for years and so when and the director didn't 2:02:24.200 --> 2:02:26.200 mention any moles, I didn't have to read any scenes 2:02:26.200 --> 2:02:27.960 for him. He didn't want me to read anything, just 2:02:27.960 --> 2:02:32.200 want to talk. So I assume I was for the 2:02:32.240 --> 2:02:36.640 detective partner. And a week later my agent called and 2:02:36.720 --> 2:02:39.680 said he's interested in for the movie. I said, oh, 2:02:39.760 --> 2:02:42.960 great to play Holly Hunter's partner. Be great to play 2:02:42.960 --> 2:02:46.920 her partner, you know. He said, no, they want you 2:02:46.960 --> 2:02:50.600 for the serial killer. I was like, serial killer, I 2:02:50.640 --> 2:02:54.800 don't understand. So I was actually very timid about that 2:02:54.840 --> 2:02:57.440 and thought about not doing it, really just because I 2:02:57.440 --> 2:03:00.000 didn't think well, because I was convinced I've been programs 2:03:00.040 --> 2:03:02.520 and that I was a soft actor and I had 2:03:02.560 --> 2:03:06.440 no edge. So that was my fears, like, well, everybody 2:03:06.440 --> 2:03:08.480 told tell you this, it must be true, so I 2:03:08.520 --> 2:03:13.160 can't do this role. And so my agent convinced me 2:03:13.200 --> 2:03:16.720 to do it, and I did obviously, So there you 2:03:16.800 --> 2:03:18.560 have it, and I did it. You know, a pretty 2:03:18.560 --> 2:03:21.360 good job because people and I'll tell you something a 2:03:21.680 --> 2:03:26.240 side note from the movie in La in New York 2:03:26.400 --> 2:03:29.720 to look in both places. I did very well with 2:03:29.760 --> 2:03:33.360 the young ladies. I was always doing well. And I 2:03:33.360 --> 2:03:36.200 can meet a girl and within ten minutes have her 2:03:36.240 --> 2:03:37.760 phone number and we'll get and we have a date 2:03:37.800 --> 2:03:43.120 plan every time. And so all of a sudden and 2:03:43.160 --> 2:03:45.440 I see a therapist. I see this very famous therapist, 2:03:45.440 --> 2:03:47.160 and now I heard him is Pat Allen. She's not around, 2:03:47.240 --> 2:03:50.880 but offic surrounding books, very famous, lots of books, and 2:03:50.920 --> 2:03:55.120 she's a phenomenal therapist. And so all of a sudden, 2:03:56.280 --> 2:04:00.880 I'm doing the billy back charisma charm the phone number. 2:04:01.200 --> 2:04:04.920 And the girl's like, I don't know, there's something off 2:04:04.960 --> 2:04:06.440 about you. I don't know what it is, but I 2:04:06.480 --> 2:04:09.680 don't feel comforting in my number. And it was happening 2:04:09.800 --> 2:04:14.240 so often that I told my facord place is said 2:04:14.280 --> 2:04:17.280 beat the kick, no girls will We'll go out with 2:04:17.480 --> 2:04:20.400 the kid getting phone numbers two or three a day 2:04:20.840 --> 2:04:24.800 for the last three years and now I can't get 2:04:24.800 --> 2:04:29.560 a date. And she said, huh, do you think it 2:04:29.560 --> 2:04:31.800 has anything to do with the movie Copycat. I'm like, 2:04:32.640 --> 2:04:36.600 what do you mean, Well, I saw the movie, and 2:04:36.840 --> 2:04:40.520 they don't really they don't really let people know in 2:04:40.560 --> 2:04:43.520 the advertising that you're the killer. Everybody thinks it's Harry 2:04:43.520 --> 2:04:45.960 Connick Junior, which is true. That was part of their 2:04:46.200 --> 2:04:50.760 advertising campaign. And you are very creepy in that movie. 2:04:50.960 --> 2:04:54.640 I was even disturbed, and I thought, okay, so soil 2:04:54.840 --> 2:04:58.600 next time this happens, maybe they don't recognize you from 2:04:58.680 --> 2:05:02.960 the movie because you're not prominently displayed. Your name is 2:05:02.960 --> 2:05:07.080 not over but you know, and and so you're almost 2:05:07.120 --> 2:05:11.360 like a subtle, subtlety in the movie, subconscious thing. She's 2:05:11.400 --> 2:05:13.680 a genius, this one, pat Oland, by the way, And 2:05:13.720 --> 2:05:15.760 she said, so the next time this happens, you might 2:05:15.840 --> 2:05:19.720 want to ask the girl if she's. 2:05:19.560 --> 2:05:22.000 Seen the movie copy Cat by any chance. 2:05:23.720 --> 2:05:27.120 And guess what. She was right, Wow. Next time I 2:05:27.200 --> 2:05:30.120 tried it, the girl's like, I don't know, there's something. 2:05:30.400 --> 2:05:32.400 Don't feel crypto game my number. I'm sorry. I so 2:05:32.480 --> 2:05:35.240 wait a minute, hold on, have you ever seen a 2:05:35.280 --> 2:05:37.360 movie called copy Cat? She goes, oh yeah, God, that 2:05:37.400 --> 2:05:40.320 movie scared me. I said, you remember the serial Killer? 2:05:40.360 --> 2:05:43.240 And they all this happened multiple times. Harry Connock junior. 2:05:43.280 --> 2:05:46.560 I'm like, no, Harry Connick juniors in jail, He's not the. 2:05:46.520 --> 2:05:48.200 Serial, you're the copy cat. 2:05:49.560 --> 2:05:54.920 And she's like, oh right, oh it was me right, 2:05:55.320 --> 2:05:56.360 Oh here's. 2:05:56.160 --> 2:05:59.280 My note okay, And they're like, all right, you're you're normal, 2:05:59.640 --> 2:06:03.120 I mean, and that's really funny. 2:06:03.520 --> 2:06:08.800 She started getting numbers again. I did, Yeah, figured it out. 2:06:08.840 --> 2:06:13.040 You would have you would have been like alone forever 2:06:13.280 --> 2:06:14.720 just thinking it was you. 2:06:14.720 --> 2:06:15.760 You lost your magic. 2:06:15.960 --> 2:06:17.680 Well, because I always say, my mom's like that, if 2:06:17.720 --> 2:06:19.240 you play a bad guy in a movie, she can 2:06:19.280 --> 2:06:21.240 never look at you again, like she's scared of you. 2:06:21.440 --> 2:06:23.520 She's not a fan, and she thinks you're bad. She 2:06:23.640 --> 2:06:24.560 like can't get over it. 2:06:25.080 --> 2:06:26.600 Do you know what's funny you bring that up? I 2:06:26.760 --> 2:06:30.400 worked with Luise Fletcher I believe her name was. I 2:06:30.440 --> 2:06:33.640 did an episode of TV with her, great, a great show. 2:06:33.640 --> 2:06:35.520 I can't know the name of it, but but it 2:06:35.600 --> 2:06:37.839 was a great show. She's a great actress. Luise Flecker 2:06:37.840 --> 2:06:40.440 if you look her up, I think that's the right name. Yes, 2:06:40.640 --> 2:06:46.360 she played she played nurse Ratchet, Yes in One Over Ye. 2:06:46.520 --> 2:06:49.920 And she's a beautiful woman. But like that's her rep now, right, and. 2:06:49.800 --> 2:06:52.200 She I think she was nominated. I'm not sure, but 2:06:52.240 --> 2:06:55.440 I think she hardly ever worked again except for little 2:06:55.440 --> 2:06:58.280 episodic stuff. When she was she was she won an 2:06:58.320 --> 2:07:01.720 Academy Award. She won an Academy a Ward and never 2:07:01.760 --> 2:07:04.520 got another movie part again because she was so hated 2:07:04.960 --> 2:07:08.280 in that movie. She did her role so well. And 2:07:08.320 --> 2:07:11.760 by the way, when we talk about Stella, Barbara Stanwick 2:07:11.880 --> 2:07:14.640 was in the original spella. You remember, you know who, 2:07:14.640 --> 2:07:18.600 Barbara Stanton. You know the name, Yeah, Barbara Stanwick. Very 2:07:18.640 --> 2:07:21.960 famous TV actor. She was on some TV series for years, 2:07:22.520 --> 2:07:26.920 Barbara Stanwick. So Barbara Stanwick was always last choice in Hollywood. 2:07:26.960 --> 2:07:30.440 After all the beautiful movie star women would turn her 2:07:30.480 --> 2:07:32.520 down the road and let's just give it to Bark. 2:07:32.600 --> 2:07:34.320 Nobody likes her, but let's just give her the role 2:07:34.640 --> 2:07:37.640 because we're under contract. And every time they did that, 2:07:37.680 --> 2:07:40.680 Barbara Stanwick was an Academy Award. They still say, oh, 2:07:40.720 --> 2:07:42.879 I don't want to use barber stand Let's try anybody 2:07:42.880 --> 2:07:44.560 but her, And then all of a sudden, well I 2:07:44.680 --> 2:07:47.440 turned it down, Let's do Barbara and Stella Dallas was 2:07:47.800 --> 2:07:49.560 a movie she wanted an Academy Award for it. She 2:07:49.640 --> 2:07:54.200 was last choice. Every other female movie star turned down Stella. 2:07:54.040 --> 2:07:55.760 And she was in the thorn birds and stuff. 2:07:55.800 --> 2:08:00.800 Wow, okay, grumble and interesting thing, A lot of facts, 2:08:00.800 --> 2:08:02.640 so I was more old Hollywood facts. 2:08:04.000 --> 2:08:05.240 Sorry, I am old. 2:08:05.440 --> 2:08:08.680 I'm like, I am dbating everything. I'm like wanting to know. 2:08:09.040 --> 2:08:10.040 This is so cool. 2:08:10.720 --> 2:08:13.040 So well, I wanted to ask you a little bit 2:08:13.080 --> 2:08:17.360 about Obviously, in researching for this interview, I went to 2:08:17.400 --> 2:08:19.360 your Instagram and I saw that you were like super 2:08:19.400 --> 2:08:21.840 involved in the in the fires. I live in La too, 2:08:21.920 --> 2:08:24.960 so I was here for all of that, and I'm 2:08:25.040 --> 2:08:27.520 on the east side, so I left town because I 2:08:27.520 --> 2:08:30.000 lost power, But I wasn't remotely as close to all 2:08:30.040 --> 2:08:33.840 of the devastation as you were. But you were in 2:08:33.920 --> 2:08:37.440 the press and stuff for rescuing all these animals, which 2:08:37.920 --> 2:08:40.000 I just have to highlight it because we have just 2:08:40.040 --> 2:08:42.600 a very big animal loving audience, and I just think 2:08:42.640 --> 2:08:44.920 that that's going to make them love you even more 2:08:44.960 --> 2:08:49.040 than these fun stories you've told us. What I mean, 2:08:49.360 --> 2:08:51.760 from what I was gathering, it was like you were 2:08:52.360 --> 2:08:55.520 you were like breaking into areas that were closed off 2:08:55.560 --> 2:08:58.080 so that you could like get footage and help animals 2:08:58.160 --> 2:09:00.760 and be like a real life souper hero. Like what 2:09:00.840 --> 2:09:01.320 was going on. 2:09:02.000 --> 2:09:04.480 Well, you know I had experienced because I was in 2:09:04.520 --> 2:09:06.640 the wolves. I did the same thing in the Woolsey fires, 2:09:06.680 --> 2:09:10.080 and unfortunately in those fires, I got almost arrested. And 2:09:10.080 --> 2:09:14.120 it was you know, I was contacted by state investigators 2:09:14.560 --> 2:09:17.040 because I ran and this is back in the Malibu fires, 2:09:17.080 --> 2:09:20.040 the Wolsey fires. Yeah, there was a horse horse sanctuary 2:09:20.040 --> 2:09:21.960 in Korral Canyon where they got most of the horses 2:09:22.040 --> 2:09:24.000 up and then left to you behond. So I went 2:09:24.040 --> 2:09:27.360 in there. I rented a pickup truck affod F one fifty, 2:09:27.880 --> 2:09:31.560 it's a trailer. And the barricades were up and I 2:09:31.600 --> 2:09:33.560 told the people I'm going to get those two horse sets. Say, oh, 2:09:33.600 --> 2:09:35.800 you'll never get them out, bully, because you'll never get 2:09:35.840 --> 2:09:39.040 past the police barricades. And there's a lot of them, 2:09:40.280 --> 2:09:41.240 and and so. 2:09:41.280 --> 2:09:44.320 But I did you just talked your way through them 2:09:44.360 --> 2:09:44.839 or what. 2:09:46.280 --> 2:09:46.560 I mean? 2:09:46.800 --> 2:09:52.360 Some were talking, some were running ess barriers, wow, and 2:09:52.360 --> 2:09:55.560 and so and and when I got to the final 2:09:55.600 --> 2:09:58.839 barrier in Korral Canyon, there was only one sheriff guarding 2:09:59.800 --> 2:10:02.760 and and I was driving into the fire. So I 2:10:02.840 --> 2:10:05.560 knew that if I crashed through the barrier, there is 2:10:05.680 --> 2:10:08.120 no way he's going to follow me, because it's smoken fires, 2:10:08.440 --> 2:10:13.280 it's certain death. And he didn't. And when I got 2:10:13.320 --> 2:10:16.040 back down, he was gone because the fire. Everybody was 2:10:16.080 --> 2:10:17.720 gone because the fire came down the hill. 2:10:18.680 --> 2:10:21.040 And these two horses came with you, and it was 2:10:21.160 --> 2:10:23.000 like you just floaded a long start. 2:10:23.120 --> 2:10:26.040 Yes, I got the horses and we got the horses out. Yes, 2:10:26.320 --> 2:10:29.320 So I know about the fires. So when these fires started, 2:10:29.480 --> 2:10:32.840 just recently, the Palistates fires, I could see the fire, 2:10:33.800 --> 2:10:38.280 by the way, the same same kitchen for the Woolsey fires. 2:10:38.800 --> 2:10:41.120 At my kitchen window when I'm doing dishes, I saw 2:10:41.160 --> 2:10:44.400 a giant ful of smoke, look like a mushroom cloud. 2:10:44.560 --> 2:10:47.600 That's the Woolsey fires. That's why I said, oh my god, 2:10:48.200 --> 2:10:50.160 I only had a pria, so I ran to Enterprise 2:10:50.240 --> 2:10:53.280 on seventeenth and in Santa Monica went to the truck 2:10:53.360 --> 2:10:57.320 right away, broke into the Woolsey fires. Same thing, Palistates fires. 2:10:57.320 --> 2:11:00.839 And in the kitchen nine in the morning, just doing dishes, 2:11:01.080 --> 2:11:01.879 I look up. 2:11:02.240 --> 2:11:06.120 You're like, this keeps happening. Oh my god, another mushroom 2:11:06.160 --> 2:11:09.120 clown of flood. Wow, that can't be what's going on? 2:11:09.160 --> 2:11:11.000 This is whre anybody knew about the fires. This before 2:11:11.040 --> 2:11:13.480 the frost and the place or anywhere. So I drove 2:11:14.040 --> 2:11:16.920 boards where I thought the fire was. I thought it 2:11:16.920 --> 2:11:17.400 was maybe on. 2:11:17.400 --> 2:11:20.160 Montana because how close up Li, but it wasn't. So 2:11:20.240 --> 2:11:23.080 then I went up to SABACTI wasn't there. So then 2:11:23.080 --> 2:11:25.720 I went up to Sunset. It wasn't there either, but 2:11:25.880 --> 2:11:27.640 I could see it. It was in the hills behind. 2:11:27.680 --> 2:11:30.960 It was just starting off. But they had the big 2:11:31.000 --> 2:11:33.720 Super Scoopers, So I thought to myself, Oh, they got 2:11:33.720 --> 2:11:35.600 the Super Scoopers right away. They didn't have that in 2:11:35.640 --> 2:11:38.440 the Moulsey fires. So I thought, this is under control. 2:11:38.600 --> 2:11:40.840 I'll just do some video of the plane's flying. So 2:11:40.840 --> 2:11:42.720 it was a good, you know, good video of these 2:11:42.760 --> 2:11:45.080 planes flying in and dropping where. I thought that was 2:11:45.080 --> 2:11:46.960 cool and I was just gonna go home and thought 2:11:47.000 --> 2:11:49.720 they got it into control. But as I'm watching it, 2:11:49.760 --> 2:11:52.240 I see the fires are kind of spreading. No matter 2:11:52.280 --> 2:11:56.080 how many helicopters and airplanes they were, the fires kept spreading. 2:11:56.160 --> 2:11:58.600 Yeah, because the wave was insane, and. 2:11:59.680 --> 2:12:03.520 I aren't seeing on sunset thousands of people coming out 2:12:03.560 --> 2:12:07.960 of Palisades and coming out of the Palisades heading east, 2:12:08.680 --> 2:12:12.440 thousands cars just cars like and they're panicking and no 2:12:12.640 --> 2:12:16.800 cars going in, so I thought, but that's not good. 2:12:17.400 --> 2:12:20.360 I'm gonna I was worried because I thought the police 2:12:20.400 --> 2:12:23.040 are going to put up barricades any minute now, for sure. 2:12:23.320 --> 2:12:25.919 I know. I learned that lesson the hard way. Unfortunately, 2:12:25.920 --> 2:12:28.320 almost went to jail for it. So I'm better get 2:12:28.360 --> 2:12:31.800 in there before the police come and set the barricades up, 2:12:32.000 --> 2:12:34.240 because they are that's coming any minute now. To get 2:12:34.240 --> 2:12:38.320 the firemen in there, obviously, and so and I thought, 2:12:38.320 --> 2:12:39.960 you know what, people are going to be at work. 2:12:40.000 --> 2:12:41.800 They're going to be locked out. They're not no case what, 2:12:41.960 --> 2:12:44.120 let I'm back in, So I better go and start 2:12:44.200 --> 2:12:46.960 knocking on doors and looking for animals pets left behind. 2:12:47.120 --> 2:12:49.040 That's right, because that was one of the videos you 2:12:49.080 --> 2:12:49.320 saw that. 2:12:49.360 --> 2:12:51.200 I was like, yeah, that's probably what people don't realize, 2:12:51.280 --> 2:12:53.600 is that like people are like, oh, they just ran 2:12:53.640 --> 2:12:55.400 and they left their pets. It's like, no, they were 2:12:55.520 --> 2:12:57.800 at work when they started and they couldn't get home 2:12:57.840 --> 2:12:58.520 to their pets. 2:12:58.640 --> 2:13:01.280 You know, that's right. It was ten thirty in the morning. 2:13:01.280 --> 2:13:04.760 Everybody's at work by ten ye nine or ten, so 2:13:04.920 --> 2:13:07.040 when the police shut it off, they will not let 2:13:07.080 --> 2:13:09.120 you in. You know, whatever, you say to it, they 2:13:09.160 --> 2:13:11.320 just won't do it. They're just it's not a good thing, 2:13:11.360 --> 2:13:14.080 by the way. So so I went in there, and 2:13:14.080 --> 2:13:15.440 that's why I went in. I went in for the 2:13:15.440 --> 2:13:18.400 police barricades and I started running through the I parked 2:13:18.440 --> 2:13:20.640 my car in Palisades Village. I thought, Oh, the fire 2:13:20.680 --> 2:13:23.880 will never come to the village. That's wrong. Yeah, And 2:13:23.960 --> 2:13:25.640 so I parked my car and then I started running 2:13:25.680 --> 2:13:29.080 into the neighborhoods, banging on doors, looking in the windows, 2:13:29.120 --> 2:13:31.760 trying to and then I would see fires start, so 2:13:31.760 --> 2:13:33.520 I'd run down, I'd tell I'd tell a fire. There 2:13:33.520 --> 2:13:37.960 were firemen, not a lot, It's sparsely around. So I said, hey, 2:13:38.080 --> 2:13:39.960 there's a new there's a there's a small fire by 2:13:39.960 --> 2:13:43.240 the house. There's little fires that start spot fires. Yeah, 2:13:43.480 --> 2:13:45.520 And so I would alert them to it, and the 2:13:45.560 --> 2:13:47.960 fire would come up with the spot fire. And in fact, 2:13:48.520 --> 2:13:51.520 I got a lot of uh messages on Instagram from 2:13:51.560 --> 2:13:55.320 people in that neighborhood and they said, thank you you 2:13:55.520 --> 2:14:00.840 saved our house. We saw you on our neighbors camp. 2:14:01.520 --> 2:14:03.880 Why that was? 2:14:04.080 --> 2:14:04.360 That was? 2:14:04.480 --> 2:14:06.800 And it was and they said, we noticed the name, 2:14:07.240 --> 2:14:09.520 recognized the houses you were in front of on your Instagram, 2:14:09.520 --> 2:14:11.800 So I was posting them as I was doing them, 2:14:12.240 --> 2:14:14.320 and they said, you, if it wasn't for you, that 2:14:14.400 --> 2:14:16.480 spot fire would have caught her house on fire, and 2:14:16.560 --> 2:14:20.280 so all the houses. I saved about seven houses from 2:14:20.400 --> 2:14:24.200 catching on fire by alerting the file. Wow. And then 2:14:24.240 --> 2:14:26.760 I went to windows and so that's how the whole 2:14:26.800 --> 2:14:29.080 thing began. And I thought, oh, this will be over soon. 2:14:29.480 --> 2:14:31.400 This will be over soon, because you know, they get 2:14:31.440 --> 2:14:34.280 the hell the airplanes were flying right over. I thought, 2:14:34.320 --> 2:14:36.200 this is great, they're here. It's not gonna it's not 2:14:36.240 --> 2:14:39.880 gonna spread. And it did. And I ended up staying 2:14:39.880 --> 2:14:43.320 there for like probably thirty hours until I had to 2:14:43.360 --> 2:14:48.640 walk out because I got trapped on pH in Sunset. 2:14:48.640 --> 2:14:50.000 And you abandoned your car. 2:14:50.920 --> 2:14:56.880 Yeah, the tires were melting. Oh my god, ay yea yie. Yeah, 2:14:56.960 --> 2:14:57.600 well it was. 2:14:57.800 --> 2:14:59.680 It's been a tough it's been a tough. 2:14:59.480 --> 2:15:01.080 Time in LA. 2:15:01.920 --> 2:15:03.680 But you have a you have a you have a 2:15:03.720 --> 2:15:04.160 movie that. 2:15:04.120 --> 2:15:06.760 Came out like a week ago or something, right, gun 2:15:06.800 --> 2:15:08.560 Slingers with uh. 2:15:08.280 --> 2:15:13.200 Oh, Gunslingers with Cage and Stephen Doorf. Yes, that's correct, Yes, 2:15:13.280 --> 2:15:16.800 the Cage, Stephen Doorf and Gunslingers. I haven't seen it. 2:15:16.840 --> 2:15:18.760 And they asked me to come to the screening and 2:15:18.800 --> 2:15:21.360 stuff like that of it last week whenever. But I 2:15:21.400 --> 2:15:23.480 had a terrible story there. I'm not contend the whole thing, 2:15:23.520 --> 2:15:27.320 but I'm shot in Kentucky. Uh huh and uh and 2:15:27.320 --> 2:15:30.800 and my dog who's the love of my life died 2:15:30.960 --> 2:15:35.560 on the set Kentucky. Yeah, and so I just didn't 2:15:35.560 --> 2:15:37.960 want to see anything. And there, you know, they I 2:15:38.000 --> 2:15:39.680 didn't want to see the set. I didn't want to 2:15:39.720 --> 2:15:41.880 see anything. I don't have anything to do with that mom, 2:15:42.200 --> 2:15:43.840 because it was a really bad. It was a really 2:15:43.880 --> 2:15:46.960 bad experience. And uh, she was struggling, which is why 2:15:47.640 --> 2:15:51.240 I had to drive her from LA to Kentucky because 2:15:51.240 --> 2:15:53.520 I wonder with me and I couldn't fly because she 2:15:53.560 --> 2:15:56.880 was having seizures. Yeah, and she's a big dog. She's 2:15:56.880 --> 2:15:59.800 a big pit bull. And she stars in a TV 2:15:59.880 --> 2:16:03.000 series that I wilt and directed. She's the star of 2:16:03.040 --> 2:16:06.600 this show called The Trouble with Billy and she is 2:16:06.680 --> 2:16:09.680 the heart of the show. And now she's passed away. 2:16:10.120 --> 2:16:13.440 So like it's it's like a and she passed in Kentucky. 2:16:13.840 --> 2:16:17.720 So and it was a really miserable situation what happened. 2:16:18.120 --> 2:16:19.839 So I just yeah, it's like, don't. 2:16:19.640 --> 2:16:20.879 Do many bad memories. 2:16:20.920 --> 2:16:23.440 But I guess if other people can go see it 2:16:23.840 --> 2:16:28.720 and see your work, Oh yes, absolutely. What do you 2:16:28.760 --> 2:16:31.440 have other projects that are coming up that you want 2:16:31.520 --> 2:16:32.959 to let people know about it? 2:16:33.440 --> 2:16:36.200 That's funny. Yeah, I think it's today the twenty second, Yeah, 2:16:36.280 --> 2:16:38.800 twenty second. So yeah, I've got a thing that starts 2:16:38.800 --> 2:16:42.120 streaming today, I believe. I can't know where, but it's 2:16:42.120 --> 2:16:45.120 called Healing Towers. It's a horror movie and it's actually 2:16:45.480 --> 2:16:51.800 pretty good healings. Yeah, and it's a real interesting story. 2:16:51.879 --> 2:16:54.240 It's a doctor. I've been the doctor, a psychiatrist who 2:16:54.280 --> 2:16:59.560 develops this therapy that cures people of their past trauma. 2:17:00.800 --> 2:17:05.160 Well he doesn't, but does it? What does it? 2:17:05.200 --> 2:17:05.360 Is? 2:17:06.080 --> 2:17:10.720 You get to the therapist hires or abducts these actors 2:17:10.760 --> 2:17:14.760 who portrayed the father that abused you or the mother 2:17:14.879 --> 2:17:15.520 that you missed. 2:17:16.400 --> 2:17:18.240 Don't tell me. I'm going to watch it. Stop. 2:17:19.160 --> 2:17:20.440 Yeah, I'm in. 2:17:20.600 --> 2:17:22.200 Andrew Keegan's in it. I'm in. 2:17:23.480 --> 2:17:26.480 Oh yeah, Andrew Keagan. That's right. So it is. It's 2:17:26.480 --> 2:17:29.120 a it's a it's an interesting premise and it's you know, 2:17:29.160 --> 2:17:31.600 it's lower budget, but they did a great job. 2:17:31.720 --> 2:17:35.320 I was very impressed, so excited. That's right up our alley. 2:17:36.000 --> 2:17:38.080 Yeah, I mean a low bunch of horror movies are 2:17:38.080 --> 2:17:40.680 like what's getting made these days, you know, like that's 2:17:40.760 --> 2:17:45.000 the that's right, But that's cool, Okay, So Healing Towers. 2:17:45.360 --> 2:17:47.160 And then the other show is by show called The 2:17:47.240 --> 2:17:51.600 Trouble with Billy. Okay, I'll send you guys the trailer 2:17:51.640 --> 2:17:53.680 for it. So we have all ten episodes are done. 2:17:53.959 --> 2:17:57.760 We're in the process of selling it now, okay, and 2:17:57.959 --> 2:18:02.160 we're going through a lot of legal stuff clearances. So 2:18:02.240 --> 2:18:05.320 I shot this whole thing put quickly on a lower budget, 2:18:05.720 --> 2:18:07.640 and I didn't get all my pick work done. I 2:18:07.640 --> 2:18:10.000 had the wrong contract to SAG, so I had to 2:18:10.080 --> 2:18:12.120 upgrade the contract. Then I get all one hundred and 2:18:12.200 --> 2:18:15.320 fifty actors to approve of the upgrade, which is actually 2:18:15.360 --> 2:18:19.520 better for them. It's way better insiduals. But actors are 2:18:19.800 --> 2:18:23.240 very difficult people, yeah, and they don't want to help me. 2:18:24.040 --> 2:18:26.320 So I'm going through a lot of issues with that, 2:18:26.840 --> 2:18:29.200 and so a lot of locations agreements I didn't get. 2:18:29.240 --> 2:18:31.160 They're all friends of mine, let me use their house 2:18:31.240 --> 2:18:34.720 or their their restaurant, And so now I have to 2:18:34.720 --> 2:18:37.440 get all those things for these where we've gotten a 2:18:37.440 --> 2:18:40.520 few offers already, but when their legal department looks through 2:18:40.520 --> 2:18:43.320 our stuff, we're like, hey, there's too much liability here, 2:18:44.440 --> 2:18:47.040 so you have to go out and do all this paperwork. 2:18:47.120 --> 2:18:50.040 So we've been plung up in that for six months. 2:18:50.280 --> 2:18:52.759 Ah ya yay, not contracts. 2:18:53.640 --> 2:18:56.199 Yeah, but it's a great show. You'll see the trailer. 2:18:56.240 --> 2:18:58.119 It's pretty good. Everybody loves it so far. 2:18:58.800 --> 2:19:02.640 So hey, you got Billy Baldwin in there, you got 2:19:02.879 --> 2:19:07.160 U s v Alum, Tom Sizemore. 2:19:07.520 --> 2:19:12.440 Yeah, Robert Wagner, Angus McFadden. 2:19:14.160 --> 2:19:25.640 Jake Jake and your beautiful dog and twinky Dog Twinkie. Well, 2:19:25.879 --> 2:19:29.320 I mean thrilled for the gossip. You know, we we 2:19:29.360 --> 2:19:31.920 want to encourage this for more of our guests. Yeah, 2:19:31.920 --> 2:19:32.560 we gotta break. 2:19:32.600 --> 2:19:33.360 We have to weird. 2:19:33.400 --> 2:19:37.039 You don't have to be positive. And you know, bringing 2:19:37.120 --> 2:19:40.280 up Steph. I saw Seph and, you know, revealing to 2:19:40.320 --> 2:19:43.000 her that people don't really love Maloney. She was kind 2:19:43.040 --> 2:19:44.680 of shocked. She didn't realize. 2:19:44.959 --> 2:19:45.199 Yeah. 2:19:45.320 --> 2:19:48.400 I think that it's just also so glaring because people 2:19:48.520 --> 2:19:50.800 so love Marishka, like she seems so warm, and I 2:19:50.800 --> 2:19:53.240 think he's probably a little bit more like show up, 2:19:53.280 --> 2:19:55.000 get your work done, get out of here, you know, 2:19:55.200 --> 2:19:57.920 like she was shosh because he is so funny, and 2:19:57.959 --> 2:19:59.480 I wonder if it's just like a work thing. 2:19:59.520 --> 2:20:01.680 And then like maybe out in about he's more chill, 2:20:02.360 --> 2:20:03.000 you know what I mean. 2:20:03.040 --> 2:20:06.000 But he's just a thespian who takes himself seriously, because 2:20:06.120 --> 2:20:09.640 what was so funny and like Harold and Kumar where 2:20:09.680 --> 2:20:10.959 it's like he's so. 2:20:11.080 --> 2:20:12.879 Funny when but I think it's just because he takes 2:20:12.879 --> 2:20:15.400 acting really seriously. So if the job is being funny, 2:20:15.400 --> 2:20:17.800 he's funny. If the job is being serious, he's fucking 2:20:17.920 --> 2:20:19.760 up in your face about to kiss you, accusing you 2:20:19.840 --> 2:20:22.959 of rape. You know, like he's takes it really serious. 2:20:23.000 --> 2:20:25.000 But in real life I think he takes himself really 2:20:25.040 --> 2:20:27.440 seriously too. Like my friend just interviewed him and was like, 2:20:27.959 --> 2:20:31.440 I forgot how seriously he takes himself like he does, 2:20:31.560 --> 2:20:33.440 you know. I mean again, Chris, we welcome you on 2:20:33.440 --> 2:20:35.160 the pod. We'd love you to come on. Well, he'll 2:20:35.200 --> 2:20:39.400 take your craft very seriously. But we you know his 2:20:39.640 --> 2:20:42.240 people don't, I guess don't really believe in podcasts. 2:20:44.800 --> 2:20:48.240 No, yeah, I mean the thing with Williams too, Like 2:20:48.320 --> 2:20:50.560 I can't imagine thinking I'm about to be a serious 2:20:50.600 --> 2:20:53.160 regular on like a Dick Wolf Law and Order. My 2:20:53.200 --> 2:20:55.680 life's about to change. I'm gonna make millions of dollars 2:20:55.760 --> 2:20:58.520 for the rest of my life. And this guy's just like, 2:20:58.560 --> 2:21:03.160 get the fuck off. I set you know. That would 2:21:03.200 --> 2:21:05.560 be tough. That would be tough because I've been in 2:21:05.600 --> 2:21:08.920 that situation in terms of like when you sign the 2:21:08.959 --> 2:21:12.280 contract for your screen tests, when you like when it's 2:21:12.280 --> 2:21:14.120 between you and a few people and you have to 2:21:14.160 --> 2:21:16.320 agree to all these terms and you don't get it, 2:21:16.360 --> 2:21:17.880 but you see what you could have gotten. 2:21:18.080 --> 2:21:21.240 It is tough. It's it's the worst. 2:21:21.560 --> 2:21:23.800 It's kind of why after every audition you have to 2:21:23.840 --> 2:21:26.880 just completely erase it from your mind, and then if 2:21:26.920 --> 2:21:29.480 something comes is good, you're like, oh wow. 2:21:29.360 --> 2:21:32.840 What a surprise. It's I've been the opposite. 2:21:32.879 --> 2:21:35.000 I think I keep sending in such good I'm like 2:21:35.040 --> 2:21:36.760 not even I'm like, what is going on? 2:21:37.000 --> 2:21:38.600 Yeah, but I get it. 2:21:38.680 --> 2:21:39.960 I get it. 2:21:39.959 --> 2:21:43.520 It's a bigger picture. It's all part of a bigger picture. 2:21:43.680 --> 2:21:46.039 I always say, like, somebody could be you could be 2:21:46.080 --> 2:21:47.760 sending something in for this, and they're going to think 2:21:47.800 --> 2:21:48.959 of you in four fucking. 2:21:48.720 --> 2:21:50.480 Years for something practice. 2:21:50.560 --> 2:21:52.680 It's all part of the school because I didn't go 2:21:52.800 --> 2:21:55.760 to like theater school, right, So every audition I work 2:21:55.800 --> 2:21:58.280 with my acting teacher, to me is like a class 2:21:58.320 --> 2:21:58.920 in college. 2:21:59.040 --> 2:22:01.080 You know, we're working on something. 2:22:01.240 --> 2:22:07.680 I'm challenging something like to me, it's like education. But yeah, 2:22:08.400 --> 2:22:13.560 there's there is desperation, there's I can't lie like yeah, no, no, you. 2:22:16.360 --> 2:22:16.800 Want it. 2:22:16.959 --> 2:22:20.879 But yeah, I just enjoyed this interview. And I love 2:22:20.920 --> 2:22:22.840 this episode. It's famous for us. I mean it's the 2:22:22.840 --> 2:22:24.680 Czech Republic episode. 2:22:24.480 --> 2:22:29.080 It's the Stabler goes to Europe episode, and I do 2:22:29.160 --> 2:22:34.560 love it. It's very terrifying, like at the end that 2:22:34.640 --> 2:22:38.120 this guy is just like we're everywhere. You're never going 2:22:38.200 --> 2:22:41.720 to get rid of us, Like about pedophiles, like that's. 2:22:41.440 --> 2:22:44.800 The pedals are everywhere, Like men are pedophiles. I don't know, 2:22:44.879 --> 2:22:47.080 there's it's not a new theory, but it's like all 2:22:47.280 --> 2:22:50.960 like most of beauty's standards for women that are extreme 2:22:51.200 --> 2:22:53.000 are based on teens, you know. 2:22:53.200 --> 2:22:53.879 That's why. 2:22:54.160 --> 2:22:57.680 Yeah, you know they like porn stars at eighteen, and 2:22:57.800 --> 2:23:01.440 it is it is just what it is. Like I 2:23:01.480 --> 2:23:06.959 think men are you know, Casey's a pedophile. No, I 2:23:06.959 --> 2:23:10.320 think men are innately pedophiles that has proven otherwise, Like, 2:23:10.360 --> 2:23:14.360 I don't know, it just seems tough, like it's not shocked, 2:23:14.480 --> 2:23:17.320 like it's a scary episode. But you know, if you're 2:23:17.360 --> 2:23:19.480 a listener of this podcast from day one, I don't 2:23:19.480 --> 2:23:21.439 think you're really shocked by this information. 2:23:21.840 --> 2:23:22.640 Unfortunately. 2:23:23.080 --> 2:23:27.959 Yeah, and it like I do, I do think it's 2:23:27.959 --> 2:23:32.640 interesting that it's like it's basically one time in the 2:23:32.680 --> 2:23:36.039 whole history of the show that they even explore what 2:23:36.200 --> 2:23:39.560 other countries. I mean, they maybe they sometimes are like 2:23:39.760 --> 2:23:41.520 we got to go to Canada, They're going to cross 2:23:41.520 --> 2:23:43.760 to Canada, or we've done like a little Canada, but 2:23:43.879 --> 2:23:47.360 like in terms of what other countries, like how dire 2:23:47.520 --> 2:23:52.359 the situation is in other countries visa the you know trafficking, 2:23:53.000 --> 2:23:57.080 sex trafficking and you know, forced forced prostitution and stuff. 2:23:57.120 --> 2:24:01.920 So it's, uh, you know, it's definitely one of those 2:24:02.000 --> 2:24:05.600 episodes that people, I'm sure like scares parents, like never 2:24:05.680 --> 2:24:09.000 let your kids on AOL ever. Again, that's a very 2:24:09.120 --> 2:24:13.200 taken you know taken Yeah, very the Big Room, the Billionaire. Yeah, 2:24:13.240 --> 2:24:15.760 it's just like and we always talk about like you 2:24:15.800 --> 2:24:18.480 need have so many skills to be a successful pedophile, 2:24:18.879 --> 2:24:21.200 like you can't just be casual about it. 2:24:21.240 --> 2:24:25.600 You need to get into high tech security, right, yeah, but. 2:24:27.200 --> 2:24:29.280 Yeah, I don't really know what the the well, you 2:24:29.280 --> 2:24:30.640 know what I was gonna say. It's like, not only 2:24:30.680 --> 2:24:34.600 do the pedophiles need to be the awesome at the Internet, 2:24:34.800 --> 2:24:36.800 but it's like from a million miles away, you have 2:24:36.879 --> 2:24:42.080 to find these girls, these kids that do feel like 2:24:42.160 --> 2:24:44.680 something is you have to and then like romance them 2:24:44.680 --> 2:24:46.320 and make them feel like, yeah, you're gonna love your 2:24:46.320 --> 2:24:48.680 life in the Czech Republic. Let's just get you a passport, 2:24:48.760 --> 2:24:50.240 leave your family and your friends behind. 2:24:50.440 --> 2:24:56.080 Like it's just fucking terrify waste energy to grooming. 2:24:56.280 --> 2:24:56.800 Grooming. 2:24:57.120 --> 2:24:59.880 Yeah, and like that one secret society you need to 2:25:00.000 --> 2:25:03.480 one thousand of your own pedophile images to get. 2:25:03.320 --> 2:25:05.360 Into the god oh my god. 2:25:05.520 --> 2:25:10.000 Yeah yeah, oh y for the super Pedophile Convention. 2:25:10.240 --> 2:25:14.280 It's like it's really it's really I mean it is. 2:25:14.240 --> 2:25:16.480 Like we've talked about this on this podcast before, but 2:25:16.520 --> 2:25:20.280 it's kind of like what what where do we stand? 2:25:20.720 --> 2:25:23.360 And I'm asking myself because I don't know on like 2:25:23.840 --> 2:25:29.760 AI generated or like fake child sex abuse images that 2:25:30.040 --> 2:25:34.080 at least no real children are being harmed in like 2:25:34.440 --> 2:25:37.480 the production of them. I'm just like, will AI help 2:25:37.560 --> 2:25:40.840 in this way or will just encourage grosser behavior? 2:25:40.959 --> 2:25:41.360 I don't know. 2:25:42.120 --> 2:25:44.560 Yeah, I wish I wish everyone in the world had 2:25:44.600 --> 2:25:48.800 seen Companion. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say one thing. 2:25:48.840 --> 2:25:50.480 I don't think it ruins the movie. It's like an 2:25:50.480 --> 2:25:53.920 interesting movie either way. But you know, it's like these 2:25:53.959 --> 2:25:56.520 women are robots. Okay, so it's like these robot women 2:25:57.360 --> 2:26:00.080 and you know that if you watch a trailer, but 2:26:01.400 --> 2:26:03.360 you find out like like some people get them to 2:26:03.360 --> 2:26:07.120 torture them oh on purpose? Oh yeah, yeah, they like 2:26:07.200 --> 2:26:10.119 get the and then you can and then so it's 2:26:10.160 --> 2:26:14.280 like the but we should eliminate these people from society 2:26:14.680 --> 2:26:18.760 that want to torture. I'm anti death penalty, but they 2:26:18.760 --> 2:26:21.360 should be castrated and eliminated the chance because if it 2:26:21.360 --> 2:26:23.440 because if they have the opportunity. 2:26:22.800 --> 2:26:23.320 They'll do it. 2:26:24.160 --> 2:26:26.800 Yeah, you know that's the thing. If they like that, 2:26:26.920 --> 2:26:27.920 you can only keep it. 2:26:28.360 --> 2:26:31.400 Escalation is real, like obviously, you know, like you're not 2:26:31.520 --> 2:26:34.280 just gonna be happy with like like you know, AI 2:26:35.120 --> 2:26:36.720 images forever, You're revenge. 2:26:36.640 --> 2:26:39.080 Maybe if this Companion, But it's like I don't want 2:26:39.080 --> 2:26:42.600 these people walking around. I don't want them being employed 2:26:42.680 --> 2:26:47.760 because okay, fine, you're you're watching AI sex abuse, and 2:26:47.800 --> 2:26:51.520 then you're a principle. Then you're like a postman, like 2:26:51.760 --> 2:26:53.280 then you're what if a kid's in a yard? 2:26:53.280 --> 2:26:55.480 Like it's just like these people are in society. 2:26:55.600 --> 2:26:59.640 So that's what I don't Wantah, if we're talking safety, 2:26:59.680 --> 2:27:01.959 but then we talk are we at the movie Minority 2:27:02.000 --> 2:27:02.879 Report at this point? 2:27:02.920 --> 2:27:04.640 And are we doing thought criminals? 2:27:04.720 --> 2:27:07.840 Are we like arresting people before they do anything like 2:27:08.560 --> 2:27:11.480 and Thought an episode of the show. So I don't know, 2:27:11.920 --> 2:27:13.800 and I think this would be interesting. There should be 2:27:13.840 --> 2:27:17.679 a panel and we should be invited. We are experts. 2:27:18.360 --> 2:27:20.680 I just don't feel like people respect us enough, Like 2:27:20.720 --> 2:27:22.040 why haven't we been on a panel? 2:27:22.160 --> 2:27:26.279 Not one panel? Not one panel. 2:27:26.840 --> 2:27:30.880 We're here, we're researching, we're chatting. I mean to not read, 2:27:30.959 --> 2:27:35.720 to get us out like I can't. But I don't delightful. 2:27:36.520 --> 2:27:38.720 I just don't like AI at all because now I'm 2:27:38.800 --> 2:27:40.400 just in a world where, like someone sends me a 2:27:40.440 --> 2:27:41.760 cute monkey, I'm like, it's not real. 2:27:42.320 --> 2:27:45.360 I don't think it's real. And then I'll see something. 2:27:45.200 --> 2:27:47.840 Where I'm like, wow, we're raccoon writing a crocodile. I 2:27:47.879 --> 2:27:50.600 love it, and everyone's like, this is obviously AI. I go, well, 2:27:50.680 --> 2:27:51.320 I didn't think so. 2:27:51.800 --> 2:27:52.160 Listen. 2:27:52.360 --> 2:27:55.920 I shared the junk box AI of the obviously the 2:27:56.040 --> 2:27:59.080 entire cast of SVU as babies. I felt people needed 2:27:59.120 --> 2:28:01.840 to see baby. They needed to see baby Kragan. I'm 2:28:01.879 --> 2:28:05.480 anti chat GBT. We have to, but I'm not your hit. 2:28:05.800 --> 2:28:08.680 I don't use it. I'm not using it like going 2:28:08.720 --> 2:28:11.520 on to chat GPT and getting you know, oh, I. 2:28:11.440 --> 2:28:13.640 Don't even know how to get on it. Im I've 2:28:13.680 --> 2:28:16.320 turned everything off. I am so against I think I don't. 2:28:16.600 --> 2:28:18.680 I'm against everything. I guess I'm a pretty opinion and 2:28:18.800 --> 2:28:20.360 I was like, I've never been more against something in 2:28:20.400 --> 2:28:20.800 my life. 2:28:20.840 --> 2:28:23.480 Not true, but I'm like so against a I in 2:28:23.520 --> 2:28:24.879 my bones. Yeah. 2:28:24.959 --> 2:28:27.160 No, it's it's like every time you go on and 2:28:27.240 --> 2:28:31.119 just say, uh, make a poster of me as Superman 2:28:31.320 --> 2:28:35.360 or whatever, it's like it's hurting the environment. I still 2:28:35.400 --> 2:28:37.560 don't get how, and you guys don't have to message me. 2:28:37.640 --> 2:28:39.440 I know that it has to do with like computers 2:28:39.440 --> 2:28:41.920 and servers and stuff like that in theirrind, but it's 2:28:41.959 --> 2:28:43.680 like it's bad for the environment. 2:28:44.040 --> 2:28:46.160 It's making so much crap. 2:28:46.440 --> 2:28:50.120 There's already so much crap circulating through social media? Why 2:28:50.160 --> 2:28:53.880 are we adding now art crap? Like why like stop? 2:28:54.160 --> 2:28:56.800 And then it's and then it's like you're paying thousands 2:28:56.800 --> 2:28:58.640 and thousands of dollars to go to college and then 2:28:58.640 --> 2:29:01.360 you're just gonna like chat GP. I looked for a 2:29:01.400 --> 2:29:03.600 million ways to cheat when I was in college, but 2:29:03.640 --> 2:29:06.320 at least I was using my own word, like like 2:29:06.480 --> 2:29:09.040 manipulating other words and trying to like I wasn't just 2:29:09.080 --> 2:29:11.720 like finding chat GPT and copy and pasting. 2:29:11.840 --> 2:29:12.039 You know. 2:29:12.959 --> 2:29:15.400 Well, yeah, it's like they closed the Department of education. 2:29:15.959 --> 2:29:19.480 That doesn't happen overnight. It's like they've been trying to 2:29:19.480 --> 2:29:22.000 make everyone dumb for decades and it's worked. The kids 2:29:22.040 --> 2:29:24.680 aren't reading, everyone's having paragraphs written for them. 2:29:24.760 --> 2:29:25.560 I don't get it. 2:29:25.840 --> 2:29:28.520 I know that there's one place in this city they're 2:29:28.640 --> 2:29:31.760 actually in like a chat ai farm, but they use 2:29:31.800 --> 2:29:35.400 all that energy to heat their spa. What so the 2:29:35.480 --> 2:29:38.240 saunas and spas are being it's like a front for 2:29:38.480 --> 2:29:42.520 actual GBT grinding. So my head, it's like these grinding gears. 2:29:42.560 --> 2:29:44.840 But I don't know what it is about that. Yeah, 2:29:45.879 --> 2:29:48.080 we have no idea, but it is bad. 2:29:48.160 --> 2:29:50.520 It's proven bad. But it's using all this water. I 2:29:50.920 --> 2:29:51.320 don't know. 2:29:51.440 --> 2:29:53.760 It's just we're in too deep. I don't know what 2:29:53.800 --> 2:29:54.959 the future holds for us. 2:29:55.000 --> 2:29:57.199 I really I think that there's some ways that AI 2:29:57.360 --> 2:29:59.080 is going to be helpful, like, for example. 2:29:58.879 --> 2:30:00.680 Yeah, but it should be for nature. I don't know, 2:30:00.720 --> 2:30:02.880 it should be about medicine, like I should be exact 2:30:02.879 --> 2:30:06.279 aware exactly. Like I just went and got my mammogram yesterday. 2:30:06.440 --> 2:30:08.800 Shout out to everybody. Please get your fucking mammograms. 2:30:08.840 --> 2:30:10.600 I don't want to hear anything about you're not getting 2:30:10.640 --> 2:30:13.400 them because you like didn't think you had a problem 2:30:13.480 --> 2:30:15.720 or whatever. Please go get one once you turn forty 2:30:15.840 --> 2:30:18.400 or before if you have risk factors. But my sister, 2:30:18.440 --> 2:30:20.400 when she went to get hers, she could pay a 2:30:20.400 --> 2:30:24.520 little bit extra to have AI apparently go through and 2:30:24.560 --> 2:30:28.480 give you, like a deeper analysis of your mammogram, which great, 2:30:28.560 --> 2:30:31.039 let's do it for medicine and shit like that, not 2:30:31.240 --> 2:30:35.199 for writing your paper about Napoleon or whatever. 2:30:35.240 --> 2:30:37.360 And then I had someone in my life be like, oh, yeah, 2:30:37.360 --> 2:30:39.640 but I'm not good at writing things like you are. 2:30:39.720 --> 2:30:41.200 So I get to use that, and then I have 2:30:41.240 --> 2:30:42.920 a good thing, and it's like, no, you should work 2:30:42.920 --> 2:30:45.800 with someone you should work with another human. You should 2:30:45.840 --> 2:30:49.720 look at examples of paragraphs. You should like compile because 2:30:49.720 --> 2:30:51.920 when I like officiated a wedding, it's like you get 2:30:51.959 --> 2:30:53.880 a little booklet. You look at the booklet, you see 2:30:53.920 --> 2:30:56.000 the form, and then you plug it. You can plug 2:30:56.040 --> 2:30:59.560 and chug. There's some sort of critical thinking you can do. 2:30:59.879 --> 2:31:02.080 I don't understand this thing of well, I don't know 2:31:02.120 --> 2:31:03.800 how to do it, so I'll just have this thing 2:31:03.879 --> 2:31:05.640 do it. That's ruining the invit Like, what the fuck 2:31:05.680 --> 2:31:06.240 are you talking? 2:31:06.760 --> 2:31:09.480 Already we have Google, Like already we have so many 2:31:09.560 --> 2:31:13.000 more like things at our disposal than we did before AI. 2:31:13.200 --> 2:31:15.200 You know, like you have so many ways that you 2:31:15.200 --> 2:31:17.280 can find things on the Internet to inspire you as 2:31:17.280 --> 2:31:20.000 a jumping off point, as an idea generator. And now 2:31:20.000 --> 2:31:21.760 it's like we just have this thing that's doing it 2:31:21.800 --> 2:31:24.200 all for you and not even making you connect the dots, 2:31:24.680 --> 2:31:27.280 and we need people connecting the dots, guys. Well now 2:31:27.320 --> 2:31:30.200 without connecting the dots now, without PBS, I mean, there 2:31:30.200 --> 2:31:32.280 will never be a dot connected again. My kids are 2:31:32.280 --> 2:31:36.640 watching PBS kids every single fucking day. They watch shows 2:31:36.680 --> 2:31:39.440 from twenty years ago on PBS that are so fucking 2:31:39.440 --> 2:31:43.680 good PBS has the best kids shows, like It's It's 2:31:43.720 --> 2:31:45.199 they watch the show called. 2:31:45.000 --> 2:31:47.480 Work, like I'm on the verge of tears, honestly, Like I. 2:31:47.440 --> 2:31:47.800 Know, I know. 2:31:47.959 --> 2:31:49.720 That's why I can't. I don't think the PBS stuff 2:31:49.760 --> 2:31:50.320 is going to happen. 2:31:50.320 --> 2:31:50.800 I really don't. 2:31:51.000 --> 2:31:53.760 I hope that like viewers and stuff will fundraise and 2:31:53.800 --> 2:31:55.840 we'll be able to like keep it functioning even without 2:31:55.879 --> 2:31:58.080 the government, or we'll bring it back as soon as 2:31:58.080 --> 2:31:58.480 he's gone. 2:31:58.560 --> 2:31:58.879 Whatever. 2:31:58.920 --> 2:32:00.480 We have to win in twenty twenty eight so that 2:32:00.600 --> 2:32:03.480 or twenty twenty six so that he's you know, doesn't 2:32:03.480 --> 2:32:04.160 have any more power. 2:32:04.320 --> 2:32:08.879 Yeah, I'm actually I just went on the Arthur shop. 2:32:08.920 --> 2:32:12.000 I'm like, I'll buy some of my guy. Yeah yeah, yeah, 2:32:12.160 --> 2:32:14.879 oh my god, Arthur Pillow. I've actually been doing such 2:32:14.879 --> 2:32:17.160 a good job because of fascism. I'm really trying not 2:32:17.200 --> 2:32:19.640 to spend as much on stupid stuff, like just be 2:32:19.720 --> 2:32:23.200 prepared for like stuff. Yeah, oh god. I was at 2:32:23.200 --> 2:32:26.280 a store. It was like a clear purse shape like 2:32:26.320 --> 2:32:28.840 a strawberry with a clear strap. 2:32:28.480 --> 2:32:31.480 And I just you didn't get it. I didn't. 2:32:31.920 --> 2:32:34.879 It was only not only it was thirty dollars. It's 2:32:35.040 --> 2:32:36.640 you know, like it's not like that's gonna make or 2:32:36.680 --> 2:32:39.840 break everything in my life. But I definitely went, no, 2:32:40.640 --> 2:32:44.320 you're not getting a strawberry bag I do in this economy, 2:32:44.440 --> 2:32:46.320 not right now. But now I'm looking at this Arthur 2:32:46.440 --> 2:32:49.920 pillow to help PBS. Yeah, I mean, come on, that strawberry, 2:32:49.959 --> 2:32:51.320 that strawberry plastic purse. 2:32:51.200 --> 2:32:55.160 Wasn't helping anybody. Now we're helping PBS. We're helping. They 2:32:55.400 --> 2:32:58.480 all grown up women's crop to hoodie. They know they 2:32:58.520 --> 2:33:05.039 know Arthur's demographic corputy on the PBS shop store. 2:33:05.080 --> 2:33:07.440 Oh my god, I love it. Okay, let me know. 2:33:07.560 --> 2:33:10.480 It's them as teens, it's the future versions of them. 2:33:10.680 --> 2:33:12.720 Oh, they're all grown up. Not I'm grown up. 2:33:12.760 --> 2:33:14.720 I thought it was like for a grown up woman, 2:33:14.959 --> 2:33:17.920 But it's them as grown ups. I guess Arthur didn't 2:33:17.959 --> 2:33:19.920 teach me enough because I can't get that. 2:33:23.200 --> 2:33:24.760 Let's get into what was mister Pegg to do our 2:33:24.800 --> 2:33:27.640 weekly segment where we direct you to an organization, a book, 2:33:27.680 --> 2:33:29.880 a movie, a documentary, something to give you more info 2:33:29.920 --> 2:33:34.879 about what we talked about today. And obviously, this episode 2:33:34.920 --> 2:33:42.439 covers a ton of fucking issues. Sex trafficking, child trafficking, pedophilia, online, 2:33:43.040 --> 2:33:46.040 child sex abuse images horrible stuff, and I found this 2:33:46.160 --> 2:33:49.720 organization called the Innocent Lives Foundation. Their mission is to 2:33:49.800 --> 2:33:53.080 identify anonymous child predators and to help bring them to justice. 2:33:53.360 --> 2:33:56.440 But they don't condone vigilantesm I think they're just like 2:33:56.520 --> 2:34:00.720 honestly really good at like hacking and unmasking people using technology. 2:34:01.480 --> 2:34:04.120 They operate by seeking the assistance of appropriate members of 2:34:04.120 --> 2:34:08.520 the information security community, using cutting edge technology, and establishing 2:34:08.800 --> 2:34:12.359 working relationships with law enforcement, plus some other guiding principles 2:34:12.400 --> 2:34:15.680 like I said, no vigilanteism and not sharing their techniques, 2:34:15.920 --> 2:34:17.640 like even if they bring down a big ring, they're 2:34:17.680 --> 2:34:19.520 not like here's how we did it, because they don't 2:34:19.520 --> 2:34:23.879 want to unintentionally educate predators to avoid detection and prosecution. 2:34:24.040 --> 2:34:26.320 So for more information or if you want to donate, 2:34:26.360 --> 2:34:29.879 you can go to Innocentlives Foundation dot org and that 2:34:29.920 --> 2:34:32.800 will be posted in our show notes as always, and 2:34:32.879 --> 2:34:36.680 we'll be posted on our stories of our Instagram and 2:34:36.760 --> 2:34:40.480 saved Forever in our WWSPD highlight and our Instagram is 2:34:41.040 --> 2:34:44.200 that's messed up pod, So go over there, go over 2:34:44.200 --> 2:34:46.879 there and get involved in the conversation about how Velasco 2:34:47.000 --> 2:34:48.480 and Silva have been let go. 2:34:48.600 --> 2:34:50.720 I can't believe mention it at all, but I didn't 2:34:50.760 --> 2:34:51.600 like them as Karens. 2:34:51.640 --> 2:34:53.959 People are people are talking on the Instagram about it. 2:34:54.040 --> 2:34:56.920 Some people are sad, some people are happy. You know. 2:34:57.400 --> 2:35:00.880 I just I will see who they pay next year, 2:35:01.000 --> 2:35:01.720 I guess, you know. 2:35:01.800 --> 2:35:04.000 But Muggsy Caine's still there as long as Kevin Kane 2:35:04.040 --> 2:35:05.520 is still on. I think he's doing a great job. 2:35:05.800 --> 2:35:09.240 But it seems like they're rolling into bringing Rolins back 2:35:09.280 --> 2:35:09.680 in a way. 2:35:09.720 --> 2:35:14.360 But I don't know Rolins. Who followed Steph Tolf Wow. 2:35:14.560 --> 2:35:19.280 Kelly Giddish followed her huge. Yeah, she was, yeah, okay, 2:35:19.320 --> 2:35:22.320 this is huge also, so I'm looking at the Arthur merchant, 2:35:22.320 --> 2:35:24.680 I go, wow, panty is weird. It's a bandana for 2:35:24.760 --> 2:35:32.000 your dog, obviously, But what size pillows should I get? 2:35:32.040 --> 2:35:35.720 Fourteen by fourteen, sixteen, sixteen, eighteen, eighteen, twenty twenty or. 2:35:35.680 --> 2:35:38.240 Twenty No, no, no, no, I'll tell you exactly. So 2:35:38.600 --> 2:35:40.920 you know, at my house, the square pillows that are 2:35:40.920 --> 2:35:43.280 on my couch that's in eighteen by eighteen, A twenty 2:35:43.280 --> 2:35:46.520 by twenty is quite big, and a sixteen by sixteen 2:35:46.680 --> 2:35:48.440 would be, you know, a little bit smaller than like 2:35:48.520 --> 2:35:50.520 just those squares I have on my couch, so like 2:35:50.560 --> 2:35:51.160 a pretty Do you. 2:35:51.160 --> 2:35:52.800 Think I should get eighteen eighteen? Yeah? 2:35:52.840 --> 2:35:54.360 I think eighteen eighteen if you're gonna throw it on 2:35:54.400 --> 2:35:56.560 your couch, or sixteen sixteen, either one. 2:35:57.280 --> 2:36:03.680 It's so cute. All right, PBS, I'm callos join us 2:36:03.720 --> 2:36:06.120 next week, I'll give a review of the pillow and 2:36:06.240 --> 2:36:10.000 we will be doing the episode Consent, Season two, episode ten. 2:36:10.160 --> 2:36:13.480 Thank you so much, thanks for listening. Guys, We'll see 2:36:13.520 --> 2:36:21.759 you next week. Bye bye. 2:36:23.800 --> 2:36:26.000 That's Messed Up as an exactly right production. 2:36:26.400 --> 2:36:28.480 If you have compliments you'd like to give us or 2:36:28.560 --> 2:36:30.800 episodes you'd like us to cover, shoot us an email 2:36:30.840 --> 2:36:34.160 it That's Messed uppod at gmail dot com. 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