1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast in the Clay 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: and Book Podcast Network. Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: I'm Tutor Dixon, and I'm so glad you're here with 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: me today. We've got a lot to talk about. You 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: know that I've talked quite a bit about the dangers 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: of China, and my guest today has gone even so 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: far as to include this in his latest book. So 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm really excited to dig deep into this one. Today. 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: I'm joined by David McCormick, former GOP candidate for US 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: Senate in Pennsylvania and the author of the book Superpower 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: in Peril, A Battle Plan to Renew America. I love 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: this because we absolutely have to have a battle plan 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: to renew America, don't we. 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me, and we do need 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: a battle plan. You know. The premise of the book 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: is that we're under threat. We're under threat from within 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: from some of the decisions we've made that have led 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: America to be in decline, and we're threatened from abroad 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: with the techno authoritarian model that's China, and we don't 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: have a plan. China has a plan, we don't have 21 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: a plan. So there's a lot to talk about. 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: So let me I think this is going to shock you, 23 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: but I'm not sure I think it will. Though we 24 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: both just ran for office, we both know how challenging 25 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: it is, and then we both know what Democrats are 26 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: doing in office. So in Michigan this week, Democrats there 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: was a bill brought forward to say we will not 28 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: welcome companies into the state of Michigan that are connected 29 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: or loyal to, or in their by laws say they 30 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: are loyal to the Chinese Communist Party. And every single 31 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: Democrat voted no that they would not stop companies that 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: are loyal to the Chinese Communist Party from coming into Michigan. 33 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: They're clearly stating that they're loyal. I mean, isn't that insane. 34 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of insanity. Honestly, there's a lot 35 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: of insanity. And that's just one good example of it, 36 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: just to put it in perspective. And you know that 37 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: as well. But we learned during COVID how unbelievably dependent 38 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: we are on China semi conductors. Ninety percent of the 39 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: semiconductors we need to make our economy run. Everything from 40 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: pickup trucks to defense weapons are manufactured ninety miles from 41 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: mainland China. Our pharmaceuticals I didn't know this. During COVID 42 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: we saw our entire pharmaceutical supply chain is dependent on China. 43 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: So one of the things I outline in Superpower Apparel 44 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: is that is the need to strategically decouple those industries 45 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: that are so critical to our economy and our national security. 46 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 2: We need to bring those home or have those in 47 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 2: the hands of our closest allies, certainly not the communist Chinese. 48 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: Well, I think what you're saying is something that people 49 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: need to understand because we've heard a lot of America First, 50 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: We've heard some candidates come out and say day one, 51 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: no one's working with China anymore. This isn't possible to 52 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: immediately decouple. It has to happen over time, and it 53 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: doesn't have to America first, doesn't necessary. Everything's going to 54 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 1: be manufactured in the United States, but Allied countries going 55 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: to friendly countries is so important. If you look at 56 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: China and you look at take iPhone City for example, 57 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: in China, this is an entire city that is surrounded 58 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: that is just high rise buildings. These people are living 59 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: in what we would consider a dormitory. They're only allowed 60 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: to go home to their families maybe once a year, 61 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: and they're working sometimes ten hour shifts with just one 62 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: meal in between. I mean, this is essentially slave labor. 63 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: It's not. The sad thing is it's not easy to 64 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: move out of that because there's no place in the 65 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: United States or friendly countries that will say, yes, yes, 66 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: we'll have high rises of three hundred thousand people. And 67 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: that's the other thing. It's hundreds of thousands of people 68 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: that are trapped working. 69 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're so right, and I'm glad you said that, 70 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: because it's easy to sort of throw away these lines 71 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: on television, but to actually understand what is required to 72 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: really change the game with China is what I try 73 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 2: to do in the book, and I essentially say there's 74 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: four things we need to do. The first thing we 75 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: need to do is that's strategic decoupling, not everything, those 76 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: industries that are most critical to our national security economics. 77 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: Second thing we need to do along the lines of 78 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: what you said, we need to hold China accountable for 79 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: its bad behavior. The wigers and the human rights abuses there, 80 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: but the Wuhan virus COVID, so you know, it's like 81 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: it was not. We were not able to talk about 82 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: the fact that a virus that originated in Wuhan, where 83 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: this research lab exists, probably was somehow connected to that 84 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: research lab. And yet three years later we see our 85 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 2: intelligence services acknowledging that that's a real possibility, but that 86 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: the media was pushing that. 87 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: What does holding them accountable for that mean to you? 88 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: Because that's another thing where I think people go, well, 89 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: I mean, what's Joe Biden really going to do? But 90 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: there is stuff that he can do, so explain the. 91 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: Most important thing to start with is to call it out. 92 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 2: I mean, believe it or not that that's not what's happened. 93 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: Joe Biden hasn't all that out and made that clear. 94 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: But the way that we begin to hold them accountable 95 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: is to stop allowing our dependency on those key industries 96 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: and also stop American companies from investing in China in 97 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: ways that goes directly against our interests. So today, as 98 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: we speak, there are venture capital firms in the Silicon 99 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: Valley that are investing in artificial intelligence companies in China 100 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: that do business with the PLA and the Communist Party. 101 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: It absolutely makes no sense. So this is something that 102 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: you may disagree with. I'm not sure. So I'm not 103 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: saying we should stop all trade as a practical matter. 104 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: We're the two biggest economies in the world. There's millions 105 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 2: of jobs that are dependent on it. And I saw 106 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 2: this in Pennsylvania. I bet you saw it in Michigan. 107 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: So I go into York, Pennsylvania, and I go into 108 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: a manufacturing facility and the fact that China is dumping 109 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: steel and globalization has hurt those workers, hurt the business, 110 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: and they want fair trade. I'm with them. I agree 111 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: on that. I go down the street and I'm in 112 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: a machine shop and this is where Harley Davids's are manufactured. 113 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 2: And that machine shop makes racks that go on the 114 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: back of Harley Davidson's in the biggest market in the 115 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: world they have is China. And so what I say 116 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 2: in the book is listen, we can talk about what 117 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: the economic makeup should be five years from now, but today, 118 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: the things we need to focus on are the things 119 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: that are strategic and decouple them from China because China 120 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: is a legitimate threat. 121 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: I agree. So I'm a steel girl. I come from 122 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: a steel foundry. My family owned a steel foundry. We actually, 123 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: I would say most of the steel foundries that went 124 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: out of business in the two thousand and eight two 125 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: thousand and nine timeframe. We're going out of business not 126 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: only because of the recession, but also so much was 127 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: being moved to China at that time. And I think 128 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: that you're going you're not going to there's no way 129 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: to get completely out of that. But I think there 130 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: are strategies you can take. For example, we used to 131 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: make the m WRAP vehicles of parts for the m 132 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: RAP vehicles for the military. That was like an eighty 133 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: percent by America clause why isn't our military equipment one 134 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: hundred percent by America or allies? So I mean, really, 135 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: can we go to that extreme and say military needs 136 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: to be someplace safe? 137 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. And you know what's happened along 138 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: that point under Joe Biden, in particular our defense industrial base, 139 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: and we saw this with what's what's happening with Ukraine. 140 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: Our defense industrial base is really really sad and lacking. 141 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: So our defense industry, the defense industry used to support 142 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: with your family steel mail, is in trouble because first 143 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: of all, the actual spending on defense is going down 144 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: because the Biden budget doesn't even keep up with inflation, 145 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: and then our defense industrial base, our manufacturing basis supports 146 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: our defense industry has become overly dependent on foreign countries 147 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: or just inadequate to deal with the next generations of weapons. 148 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: And that's a real problem. Particularly you see China on 149 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: the march around the world as we do. 150 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we see China here on land in Michigan. 151 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: We've been having this fight over the past couple months 152 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: now where a Chinese Communist Party aligned company has come 153 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: in and decided to build a battery factory in Michigan. 154 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: Once we found out, the community has kind of rallied 155 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: against it. So what do you say to governors like 156 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: Gretchen Whitmer who has said, I will align with these 157 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: companies that are coming from China, and she's going overseas 158 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: to try to bring more overseas companies into the state 159 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: of Michigan, which I say again, if these are allied 160 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: countries or friendly countries, it's different. But what do you 161 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: say to governors who are bringing in companies and not 162 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: only just bringing them in, seven hundred and fifteen million 163 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: of our taxpayer dollars are going to bring this in like, 164 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: we're paying these companies that are aligned with the CCP 165 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: to come in and then they own land in the 166 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: middle of our state. And you know, our greatest resource 167 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: here is water, which is something everybody in the world wants. 168 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: Why would we do that? 169 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to make a distinction between foreign investment 170 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: and foreign investment from China, because I think what you 171 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: describe is Chinese company investing in ev which is which 172 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: is becoming incredibly strategic in Michigan, and having that dominance 173 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: in the US market and also having that dependency we 174 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: have on China is absolutely what's to be avoided. And 175 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: so I agree with you one hundred percent, and we 176 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: have to have restrictions. We should have an inbound investment 177 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: SIPIUS kind of restriction. SIPHIUS is the foreign Investment review 178 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: process that happens at the federal level to make sure 179 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: that that doesn't happen, because it's bad for America. It's 180 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: bad ultimately to be dependent on anybody, but really bad 181 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: to be dependent from the Chinese communis. I would make 182 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: a distinction between that and other foreign investment. For example, 183 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: I was in Korea, I was in South Carolina earlier 184 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: this week and I know they've had great success of 185 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: bringing in the South Koreans, a critical ally and having 186 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 2: manufacturing facilities that have brought new jobs to South Carolina. 187 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: Great business opportunity to help make South Carolina's economy really strong. 188 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: It's a critical ally in South Korea. It's technology that 189 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: we want to build here at home. I think that 190 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: kind of inbound investment's good, Chinese based inbound investment. 191 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: Back, let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next 192 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: on a Tutor Dixon podcast. Okay, you just brought up jobs, 193 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: so I want to ask you about that because in 194 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: the state of Michigan, we have really nobody out there 195 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: to work. We have businesses leaving the state because they're 196 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: so desperate for workers. I don't know if Pennsylvania is 197 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: in that situation, but I want to ask you when 198 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: you see states that are desperate for people to do jobs, 199 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: like we need people on our farms, we need people 200 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: in our hospitality industry, we need people in our manufacturing plants. 201 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: We need all of these people. We don't have enough. 202 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: We're in the midst of a total crisis at the border. 203 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: Why can we not have immigration reform that would vet 204 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: these people and get people that we really need in 205 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: here and keep the bad guys out. 206 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a huge, huge issue, and I agree with 207 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 2: what you're saying your sentiment one hundred percent, and say 208 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: make two points one. In the book, I make the 209 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 2: point that Listen, I grew up thinking a four year 210 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: degree was the path to a great middle class life 211 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: and opportunity, and that's not the case. It doesn't just 212 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: have to be a four year degree. Not every person 213 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: has that be four year degree to have the American 214 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: dream and skilled training. I go across manufacturing facilities, tech 215 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: facilities in Pennsylvania. The biggest issue CEOs have in fracking, 216 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 2: which is a big industry natural gas in Pennslvania. The 217 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: biggest issue they have is skilled workers. It's not that 218 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 2: there aren't people to take jobs, there aren't people with 219 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 2: the adequate skills. So I think gi benefits like I 220 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 2: had when I left the Army, pell grants, partnerships between 221 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: industry and the community colleges to get these skilled workers 222 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: is huge. So let's help Americans get the kind of 223 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: that you had in your family, Maill, that I learned 224 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: about in Pittsburgh, where you can have a great middle 225 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: class existence, great middle class life by having adequate skills. 226 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: That's one thing. Second thing on skilled immigration, I agree 227 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: one hundred percent. But the first step is to stop 228 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 2: that pouring across the border. I saw it when I ran, 229 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: I went down and visit the border. I know you're 230 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 2: seeing it in Michigan. That is an absolute travesty that 231 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: we don't have control of our border, that the fentanyl 232 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: that's killing kids in Pennsylvania and Michigan is coming across 233 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: through those cartels. We've got to stop the border crisis. 234 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: But we also, in my opinion, have to reform our 235 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: skilled immigration process to make sure that we get the 236 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: people coming into our country that have the skills we need. 237 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: But see, the way that works right now is exactly 238 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: what you just said, the skilled immigration, Because we tried 239 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: to bring in factory workers from Ukraine. This was years 240 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: before the war, but we knew we had factory workers 241 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: there that could teach our factory workers here. And the 242 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: only way you can bring someone in through the federal 243 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: program who is skilled is someone who is skilled because 244 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: they have a degree. But we I mean, the learning 245 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: on the job is I mean that's priceless, but that's 246 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: not considered skilled. 247 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: Why well, it's a great question. And what President Trump 248 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: did at the end of his term, there was a 249 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,479 Speaker 2: proposal he put on the table for skilled immigration reform 250 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: that addressed some of these issues. It was more in 251 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: line with Canada system, which has a whole range of skills, 252 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: both educated and non formally trained skills that we can 253 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: bring workers in. And the key point you have to make, 254 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: I think both subsident politically. These don't take away American jobs. 255 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: These are skilled immigrants that come in and help fill 256 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: jobs that are going to help American companies grow and 257 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: be more prospress for our community. So skilled immigration reforms key. 258 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: I think Trump had the right idea, he just didn't 259 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: get it done in the latter half of his administration. 260 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: And that's the kind of approach we need to take 261 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 2: hand in hand with fixing the border. 262 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: All Right, Elections, we've got to get through elections. Obviously, 263 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: you just went through a rough primary and then your 264 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: primary opponent who won ended up losing the Senate seat 265 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: to someone who is not even able to be in 266 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: the Senate most of the time. So I think all 267 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: of us are shocked by the John Fetterman situation across 268 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: the country. I mean He's an example that people use 269 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: as why people who are impaired in some way shouldn't 270 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: be in office, no matter what age they are. It 271 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: was really shocking. But one thing that I've come out 272 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: of my campaign and done a lot of research on, 273 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: and I've learned from folks who are in other states 274 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: doing lots of research and doing a strong performing, a 275 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: strong ground game on the Republican side, They've told me 276 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: that there is a difference between these states. You have 277 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: messaging states, which would be like a Florida or a 278 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: tech You have ballot states, which is a Pennsylvania, and 279 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: then Michigan would be a combination of a message and 280 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: a ballot state. And really what we're not doing is 281 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: that work on the ground to get to be I mean, 282 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: you don't have to have a message in Pennsylvania. If 283 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: you're John Fetterman, you have no message. You're literally just 284 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: going and doing the business of elections to capture those ballots. 285 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: So if you run again, how do you change the 286 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: way you do things on the ground there? 287 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's the electro reform issue and then 288 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: there's how I would campaign. They're related but different. I mean, 289 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: the thing that was so frustrating, and I dealt with 290 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: this in a primary, as you might imagine. But when 291 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: the race. The day of the race, it looked like 292 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: I was going to win the race. I was told 293 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 2: I was going to win the race, and even for 294 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: the seventeen days that followed, I thought for most of 295 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: that time that I was going to win the race 296 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: based on the numbers that I was being told. But 297 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 2: you had sixty seven counties that had totally different pricesses 298 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: for counting votes. You had all sorts of screwed up 299 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 2: things where ballots were lost. In Philadelphia, the count from 300 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: the Secretary of Stage, who's a Democrat, was of absentee 301 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: ballances were inconsistent. And so I could see the frustration 302 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: that people have on how screwed up our systems are. 303 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: And one of the basic things that's missing is basic 304 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: voter ID. Hard to imagine that you can show up 305 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: at the polls and you don't have to show ID, 306 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: but yet you can't get on an airplane with that idea. 307 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: It seems so obvious, and yet we haven't been able 308 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: to get voter ID passed in Pennsylvania. That's one thing 309 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: that I would stand from the top of the Mountain 310 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: and scream that we need that in Pennsylvania and we 311 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 2: need that everywhere. It seems so obvious. 312 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: It's but they're winning. So you make a good point. 313 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: It seems so obvious, and yet they are winning on 314 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: these issues with young people. Somehow they are able to 315 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: twist the message in a way that young people go, 316 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: my gosh, how terrible of you two quire of Voto, 317 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: I d How do Republicans bring that take that message back? 318 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: Now? I think it's it's got to start from the 319 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: first day of the campaign is thinking about election day 320 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 2: and all the work that needs to go into that 321 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 2: and making the case that we want everybody to vote. 322 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: We want every legal person to commit and vote. And 323 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. I don't know about the story in Michigan, 324 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: but the fact that we didn't embrace absentee ballots killed us. 325 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: It killed us in Pennsylvania. And you know that narrative 326 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 2: that Republicans are going to vote on election day, and 327 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 2: you know that that was devastating. And so we've got 328 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 2: to do a better job. And there's initiatives underway here 329 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 2: to really look at low propensity voters and figure out 330 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 2: how to reach them, how to encourage them to vote, 331 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 2: how to encourage them to vote by mail and play 332 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: that game. The Democrats executed much better than we did 333 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: on that plan. And there's obviously all the election irregularities, 334 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: but just on the basic mail in ballot, they outperformed. 335 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 2: So the person that beat me in the primary was 336 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: memodas he started on election day six hundred and fifty 337 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand votes down in the absentee ballot. You 338 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 2: can't win elections unless you execute on that, and we didn't, 339 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 2: and we need to do a better job in twenty. 340 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: Four So what is the message going forward for Republicans? 341 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: I've been watching everybody kind of pontificate on what Republicans 342 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: did wrong. I mean, I have my own opinions, certainly 343 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: having gone through a race and lost as well. But 344 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: what do you think the message is on a federal 345 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: level for people? 346 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's three. I think it's three things. 347 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: I think first and foremost, we need to be unified. 348 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 2: I think the Democrats, at least in Pennsylvania were very unified, 349 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: and we weren't unified, And we spend eighty percent of 350 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 2: our time talking about the twenty percent of the things 351 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: we disagree with among each other. I mean, I don't 352 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 2: agree with my wife on eighty percent of things. So 353 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: we need to unify as a party around candidates that 354 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: can win general elections. Winning is important, right, Winning the 355 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: general election is support particular of purple state like Pennsylvania 356 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 2: and at critical state like Michigan, We're gonna have candidates 357 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: that can win the general election. That's the first thing. 358 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 2: The second thing, and again this is my opinion, we 359 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: need to look forward. We need to look forward, not backward. 360 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: So we can spend all the time in the world 361 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 2: talking about twenty twenty, but the people I met on 362 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 2: the campaign troo, I want to talk about how we're 363 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 2: going to fix the inflation which is killing working families, 364 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 2: killing people on fixed income, how we're going to stop 365 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: the fentanyl scourge. Crime in Philadelphia, the murder rates in 366 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: an all time high. Those are the things we should 367 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 2: be talking about. What we're going to do is Republicans 368 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: and Conservatives to fix those problems. And three, we need 369 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: to execute I think on the absentee ballots in Pennsylvania 370 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 2: at least Acts seventy seven was passed with Republican support. 371 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: Those are the rules now of how voting takes place, 372 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: and we need to within those rules win the game 373 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: from an execution state point, from a ground game standpoint. 374 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 2: If we do that, we're going to win elections. Right now, 375 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 2: we're not winning elections, and it's putting our commonwealth and 376 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: the country. And because critical states like Pennsylvania Michigan are 377 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: critical to the majority in the Senate and the House 378 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 2: also critical to the future of the country. So those 379 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: three things make it will make a big difference. 380 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: How close is America to falling off the edge when 381 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: it comes to being a superpower? I mean, it sounds 382 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: like you think we are in great danger. I also 383 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: believe that China has been working on one hundred year 384 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: plan and they're like eighty five years in and we 385 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: are just asleep at the wheel. We're looking at eight 386 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: years ahead and we're missing the boat here. So how 387 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: scary is it when you look at them having the 388 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: biggest navy in the world, when you look at them 389 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: having this outrageous amount of exports and bringing in all 390 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: of this money, and suddenly people are looking away from 391 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: the US dollar. How close are we? 392 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: Well? I think we're in crisis. I think in economic terms, 393 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: thirty one trillion dollars debt Sky high inflation, national curity, 394 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: the challenge from China. China has a plan technologically superior 395 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 2: in many areas, and I think spiritually, the basic premise 396 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: of our exceptional country, the idea of merit capitalism, the 397 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: fact that America is the most uniquely successful country in 398 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: the world in terms of bringing people out of poverty. 399 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 2: All those things are being challenged. And that's why eighty 400 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: percent of Americans think we're headed in the wrong direction. 401 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: Is why two thirds of parents think their kids are 402 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 2: going to be less well off than they are. And 403 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: that's why sixty percent of Americas living paycheck to paycheck. 404 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: So we're in crisis. But here's the contradiction. Because I 405 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: believe we are a super power apparel, I'm optimistic. And 406 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 2: the reason I'm optimistic is because this is the American tradition. 407 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 2: We get to the edge of the cliff and we 408 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: pull ourselves back. We've done this throughout history. The Civil 409 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 2: War is a good example. In my lifetime, I think 410 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 2: I'm a good bit older than you. But in nineteen 411 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: seventy nine, I was fifteen, and under Jimmy Carter, we 412 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 2: had sky high inflation, we had an incredible disaster with 413 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 2: desert one where we tried to rescue our Iranian hostage. 414 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: American hostage is held in Iran. We lost eight service members. 415 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 2: A lot like Afghanistan. We had sky high prices for gas. 416 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: There was odd days and even days. You had to 417 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: go to the pump on your odd day or even 418 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: day to get your gas. Eighty percent of Americans thought 419 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 2: the country was headed in the wrong direction, just like 420 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: today and four years later when I was a plea 421 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: but West Point, I'm walking across the campus and America's back, 422 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: the economy's on fire, inflations in check, we're building up 423 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: the military. Mourning in America under Ronald Reagan leadership and 424 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: good conservative policies matter. 425 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm hearing you say that if you study history, then 426 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: you would see we've been close to this before, and 427 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: there is hope. 428 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's hope, but it depends on what we do. 429 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: Decline is a choice, but so is renewal. So if 430 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 2: we can get the right leadership in place, America is 431 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 2: incredibly resilient. I'd still rather be an American than any 432 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 2: other person in the world. I'd still rather be in 433 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: our country and have our hand for playing poker. I'd 434 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 2: rather have our hand than any other hand, but we 435 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: could really screw this up. 436 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: So oh no, I one percent agree with you on 437 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: all of that. I'm so grateful to be an American. 438 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: Really quick, before I let you go, I've got to 439 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: have you comment on culture wars. What's your thought there. 440 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: I think it's a progressive ideology that's permeating our schools, 441 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 2: our military, or business community. I'm a veteran of the army. 442 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think about that? When you see 443 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: the trans. 444 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: Let me give you an example of this. Under the 445 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: Biden administration, the army released its climate change strategy before 446 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 2: it released its war fighting strategy. Yeah. So it's it's 447 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: pervasive and the only way to fix this is with leadership. 448 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 2: We got to have the right leadership on these top 449 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: of these institutions. I think the progressive movement has pushed 450 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: things so far that the pendulum is starting to swing back. 451 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: I think school choice for us as conservatives, I think 452 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: we're at a tipping point. I think what parents saw 453 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 2: during COVID looking over the shoulder of their kids, about 454 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: the sexualization in elementary schools, about the history of America, 455 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 2: that America was conceived in sin I think all of 456 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 2: these things are at a place where we could actually 457 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 2: really change the game in a very positive ways based 458 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 2: on the crisis we feel at the moment. 459 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm with you, and I see it every day that 460 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: the folks that are against choice school choice are out 461 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: there getting louder and they're more scared. And they are 462 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: because you see states like Arkansas, Iowa, and Florida Oklahoma 463 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: all going to a choice model and it's working. And 464 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: I think we're going to see success. And we have 465 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: to because we've never seen scores as low in reading, 466 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: math and history. But we can all keep fighting this fight. 467 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm anxious to see where your fight goes, David, and 468 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: what you do next. So I won't ask you if 469 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: you're running. I'll just say we're hoping that that might 470 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: be in the future. 471 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 2: Well, that's mutual. I'm anxious to see what you do 472 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 2: as well. And thank you. Really admire what you've done 473 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: in Michigan, and thank you for having me on. 474 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, David McCormick. Make sure you check out his book, 475 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: Superpower in Peril, A Battle Plan to Renew America. I 476 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: think that's what we all want and we're so grateful 477 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: that you came on today. David. Thank you, Thanks dear, 478 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: and thank you all for joining me on the Tutor 479 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to tutordisonpodcast 480 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: dot com. You can subscribe right there, or go to 481 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcasts, 482 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: and make sure you join us next time on the 483 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have an awesome day.