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Speaker 1: to learn more. I'm Amy Wells and I am joined

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Speaker 1: by draft gurus Ret Brian and Coach Mac Because, folks,

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Speaker 1: it is the greatest week of the year. It's finally here.

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Speaker 1: We are going to Indianapolis for the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Pause, ye really just because yes answers, yes, yes, I

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Speaker 2: But the answers yes, I'm fired up. Oh yeah, well

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Speaker 2: absolutely always are.

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Speaker 1: We love it too, you know, you guys do, and

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Speaker 1: you guys really do a good job of getting into

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Speaker 1: what to watch in Indianapolis, which is why you're here

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited about going to Indianapolis for another year

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Speaker 1: of combine goodness, Because there's no better place to be

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Speaker 1: National Football League than Indie during combine.

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Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent true.

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Speaker 4: I mean, and I I've been to everyone they've had

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Speaker 4: And it's it's a great, great opportunity, you know, when

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Speaker 4: but doing doing broadcasting, the amount of people that you

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Speaker 4: all the good content that we're gonna that we're going

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Speaker 4: to have there at the OTP. It's it's very worthwhile.

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Speaker 4: It's one of my favorite times of the year. And

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Speaker 4: I've already got breakfast set up every morning from a

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Speaker 4: I've spent two and a half months putting this stuff

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Speaker 2: I'm with all both of you, it's time to go.

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Speaker 3: And wonderful news as because we know how passionate you

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Speaker 1: It's the best place for it, just as not only is.

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Speaker 3: It there in twenty twenty five, but news came out

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about making buttons or like a sash or

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Speaker 1: the combine in Indy. It's just the best.

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Speaker 2: Place for it.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you at Indie Infinity.

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Speaker 4: Amy Wells is the first person I thought about when

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Speaker 2: I'm with you. I am one hundred percent with that.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Well, I want to get started and actually

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Speaker 3: I think one of the big storylines right off of

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Speaker 1: Mac Does it bother people when a quarterback doesn't throw

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Speaker 1: Mac This class is so interesting because across the league,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it starts with the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: It starts with the quarterbacks because the two that we've

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Speaker 1: Well, the belly of the draft is why you guys

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Speaker 1: What do cam Ward and schnor Sanders need to do

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Speaker 3: Well, it starts with a couple things that coach Mack

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Speaker 3: But the big thing he hit it how they interview

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Speaker 4: Well, the quarter the quarterback part of it is is big.

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Speaker 4: But in my experience, which covers quite a bit of time,

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Speaker 4: the quarterbacks that I've been involved with, I would never

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Speaker 4: I can watch, I can watch a tape, and all

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Speaker 2: Spend a lot of time.

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Speaker 4: So again, let's let's go back to what's more important

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Speaker 1: So really, when it comes to position groups that have

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Speaker 1: the most to gain this week, well it's not necessarily

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Speaker 4: All know and what the people on the OTP knowe

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Speaker 4: because they've listened to us over the over the years.

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Speaker 4: There are two drafts. There's the quarterback draft and then

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Speaker 4: there's a positional draft. So the quarterback draft and the

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Speaker 4: about training with the Titans and the Jared Golf you

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Speaker 2: That's where all these talks.

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Speaker 4: And then which quarterback needy team which the Titans are won,

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Speaker 1: You raise an interesting point about vetting quarterbacks because you've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go back to Titian's.

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Speaker 2: Are you all right? Yeah? That was good map by you?

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Speaker 1: I knew you would.

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Speaker 2: All right, so let's.

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Speaker 4: work at primarily, so everybody, everybody was in consensus that

440
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 4: he should work there.

441
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 2: Now he will also do wide receiver drills. He will

442
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 2: do wide receiver drills. But when you start looking.

443
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,919
Speaker 4: At there's very few that have played both ways in

444
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,120
Speaker 4: the National Football League. First of all, when he comes

445
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 4: into the league, I believe he will be able to

446
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 4: play both ways. But he's not going to be able

447
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 4: to do major both ways like he did at Colorado.

448
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 4: I mean he played one hundred and nine snaps a game.

449
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah, that won't happen in the National Football League.

450
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 2: But he is. He is a special athlete. He's an

451
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 2: elite athlete. The corner.

452
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 4: The transition from concentrating on corner to just then also

453
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 4: being able to be a spot player at wide receiver

454
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 4: is much easier than the reverse way, much easier than

455
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 4: the reverse way, so he had to have a designation.

456
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 4: He will work out with all the cornerback drills and

457
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 4: then it's going to be interesting there in Lucas Oil

458
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 4: to watch and see what receiving drills he does. But

459
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 4: saying it here before we even go to the we're

460
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 4: on our way to the combine. He'll play both ways

461
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 4: in this league. How much he does a lot less

462
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 4: than he did at Colorado, but he will. I think

463
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 4: he will follow in the footsteps a little bit of

464
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 4: what his mentor, Dion Sanders did. To remember back when

465
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 4: Dion came out, Dion was a corner, but then later

466
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 4: as his career evolved, they also used him on offense.

467
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 3: So Travis Hunter twenty twenty four Heisman Trophy winner, ninety

468
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 3: six catches, twelve hundred and fifty eight yards, fifteen touchdowns,

469
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 3: thirteen point one per catch. On defense, thirty five tackles,

470
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 3: three picks, eight pass breakups, and he had some dings

471
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 3: and dents towards the end of the season. I think

472
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 3: he'll be healthy and ready to go this week. The

473
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 3: thing I'm interested to see is if he runs that

474
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 3: gauntlet drill with the wide receivers. I think that would

475
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 3: show me a little something on on how he can

476
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: shift and move. But what what about his skill set

477
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 3: makes it easy for him to go uh dB? First?

478
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 2: Is it?

479
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 3: The footwork? Is it?

480
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 2: What?

481
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 3: What is it?

482
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 4: He's got twitch, he's got length, and he's he's really

483
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 4: really he's a really uh football aware player.

484
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: His spatial awareness is really good.

485
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 4: He reminds me a lot of what Dion used to

486
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 4: do a lot, especially at Florida State. Dion would act

487
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 4: like he was beat to bait the quarterback to throw

488
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: to him, and then he would he would jump it.

489
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,959
Speaker 4: This kid has got enough twitch to do that, and

490
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 4: he played a lot more offense than Dion played at

491
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 4: Florida state.

492
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 2: But he's a he's a superb athlete. He's flexible, he's.

493
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 4: Got twitch, and he's got speed, and his his hand

494
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 4: eye coordination, especially specially with the ball, is superb.

495
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: When you're able to do both and do both well.

496
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 1: Is there a strategy to where you're listed? You kind

497
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: of survey the crop of people in both and say, ah,

498
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: could get picked a little bit higher here if I'm

499
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: a corner instead of what we're working with with this

500
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: group of receivers or is that just me guess.

501
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: The money now?

502
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you look at the franchise tags for elite

503
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 4: corners to elite receivers is getting pretty close. And especially

504
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 4: now with the way that this all dovetails into how

505
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 4: the salary CAP's going to be. With the increase in

506
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 4: the salary cap, those numbers have started to come together

507
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 4: really close.

508
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: Here in the National Football League, it's never just one thing.

509
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: All of these business things are interconnected. That's part of

510
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: what makes the combine so much fun, folks, because there's

511
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff going on here. It's not just

512
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: the workouts, my friends. There's also the business side of it.

513
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: That's a whole different game within the game. It's very

514
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: interesting rhtt. I want to talk to you about Abdul

515
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: Carter because he's been getting a ton of attention, But

516
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that there are some other prospects

517
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: that could make the case this week to challenge him

518
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: for being be completely unchallenged top spot at edge rusher.

519
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: Do you agree with me? Well, no, I don't agree

520
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: with you. I mean, Abdul Carter is he's the top

521
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 3: prospect in this and you did get some argument about,

522
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 3: you know, Travis Hunter being the other part of that,

523
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: but abduall Carter is the top person on our board.

524
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: But to coach Max's point, this edge pass rusher and

525
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 3: really when you pepper in the interior defensive line, those

526
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 3: are maybe the two richest positions in this draft. But

527
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: the edge rushers, good lord, there's a bunch of them.

528
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 3: But you mentioned Abdul Carter. You saw what he did

529
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 3: in the college football playoffs with one arm, just wrecking people.

530
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 3: But Jalen Walker from Georgia is somebody that is right

531
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,479
Speaker 3: underneath him in our first pod on this board, six

532
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 3: two two forty five eighty five tackles, twelve for lost,

533
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 3: five quarterback sacks. He's the Butckets Award winner this year,

534
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 3: First Team All American and he's a wrecker. He is

535
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: Shamar Stewart from Texas A and m is a guy

536
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 3: we saw at the Senior Bowl. Six five and an eighth,

537
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 3: two eighty one eighty four inch wingspan, nearly forty five tackles,

538
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 3: ten for loss, seven quarterback sacks. He's a big, long

539
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 3: prospect that's gonna hurt. We know about Mike Green. We

540
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 3: interviewed him on the OTP. What a fantastic young man

541
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: he is. And the quarterback sack winner in college football

542
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 3: was seventeen of those, Mike hil Williams from Georgia, James

543
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 3: Pierce from Tennessee, Donovan Ezeraku from Boston College, who was

544
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: also at the Senior Bowl. There's a bunch of guys

545
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 3: who are going to be I mean, Mac, would you

546
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: safely say there'd be eight to ten edge pass rushers

547
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: that could go in the first round?

548
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: Well, seven for sure.

549
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 4: You just named the seven that I think will in

550
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 4: some form or another be there, because I mean that's

551
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 4: a premium position, big time premium position.

552
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: And then right under them, we got J. T.

553
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 4: Tuomolo from Ohio State, Jack Sawyer from Ohio State who

554
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: is just a different type of an edge player.

555
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 2: But again, if you're running.

556
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 4: A four to three defense and you want a big

557
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 4: body out there on the end, Landon Jackson from Arkansas,

558
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 4: Birch from Oregon, and then Nick Gorton from Texas A

559
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 4: and m there's a couple of aggies there. So we've

560
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 4: already named off twelve guys right now that will be

561
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: in the first two pods.

562
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: So yes, this is a deep, deep draft for edge rushers.

563
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: Now, you also mentioned the interior defensive lineman. Give me

564
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: some names that you're looking to watch perform this week.

565
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 4: Mason Graham is at the top of the boards right

566
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 4: now from Michigan, Derek Harmon from Oregon, Kenneth Grant from Michigan. Again,

567
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 4: I mean they had a really good defense there, Tylee

568
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 4: Williams from Ohio State, and then move on down. You

569
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 4: got Alfred Collins from Texas. You've got Shamar Turner from

570
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 4: from Texas A, and m Darius Alexander here we're into

571
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: a smaller school, but from Toledo that is going to

572
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: be a guy that you're really going to want to

573
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 4: look at. And then Walter Nolan, who we saw at

574
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl really stood out at the Senior Bowl

575
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 4: and the University of Mississippi had four really good defensive

576
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 4: line Walter Nolan stood out.

577
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: And then Jordan Phillips from Maryland.

578
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 4: I mean, those are the top two pod tiers of

579
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 4: guys that we have right now, and they even go

580
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 4: deeper than that. As you want to start going down.

581
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 4: Omar Norman Lot from Tennessee is right in that group.

582
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 4: That's right below that. And remember these pods are not

583
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 4: anything set in stone. So if somebody comes across and

584
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 4: they look horizontally on their board and all of a sudden,

585
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 4: Ombar Norman Lot is there, and they compare him better

586
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 4: to a linebacker, say Chris Paul, and they say.

587
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: Well, Norman Lot is more valuable to us, then he'll

588
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: go higher.

589
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 3: Joshua Farmer Florida State is another one that you're going

590
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: to hear a lot about. He mentioned Derek Harmon from Oregon.

591
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: There's another guy from Oregon, Jamari Caldwell, who is a

592
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: transfer from Houston, and he didn't have as quite a

593
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: big a production in twenty twenty four as he did

594
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 3: with Houston in twenty three. But I think that's a

595
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 3: guy that a lot of eyes will be on and

596
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 3: then we saw the monster d lineman from Kentucky, Dion

597
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: Walker at the Senior Bowl. There's a bunch of value

598
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: along the defensive line in this draft.

599
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 1: Are there a couple players whose names we maybe haven't

600
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: heard a lot about yet, but we should definitely be

601
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: keeping our eyes on this week, Rhett, I'll start with you.

602
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with small school guys because I'm always

603
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: interested to see who gets invited to these things. And

604
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: if you're in a smaller pond of fish, you've done

605
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: something or you wouldn't be there, and this guy was

606
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: I'll start with Since we're on defense, I'll start with

607
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: defense in this and we saw him at the Senior Bowl.

608
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: David Walker from Central Arkansas measured in at six feet

609
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: and five eight inches, so he's an undersized guy to

610
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 3: sixty seven seventy seven inch wing But listen to the

611
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 3: resume of this guy. He was a Buck Buchanan, which

612
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 3: is the top defensive Player of the Year in FCS.

613
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: He was a.

614
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: Finalist in that in twenty twenty two. He won it

615
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. He was the ASUN Defensive Player

616
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: of the Year in twenty twenty two, but forty five

617
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: solo tackles, ten and a half sacks, four forced fumbles

618
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, but in his career sixty three

619
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: tackles for loss and thirty one quarterback sacks in thirty

620
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 3: four games. He's kind of a poor man's Jarrell Casey

621
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: if we're talking about but he come, you would think,

622
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: you know, being more squatty into the ground, but he's

623
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: really good at edge rushing moves. So that's one, and

624
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: then the other one on offense is an offensive lineman

625
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: from William and Mary Called. His name is Charles Grant.

626
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: He's six four and a half three hundred pounds. He

627
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: allowed just one quarterbacksack on three hundred and thirty four

628
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: pass blocking snaps in twenty twenty four. And you're talking

629
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: about a guy that was a two hundred and forty

630
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 3: pound recruit in high school with a wrestling background, and

631
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: he grew into his body. He obviously the competition that

632
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: he faced is going to come into question in this,

633
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: but he shows he showed at the East West Rine

634
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: game he can actually hold his own a little bit.

635
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: Mac.

636
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: You are feverishly wrestling papers away in here. I thought

637
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: maybe you had someone specific that you were excited about telling.

638
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: Us about I do.

639
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna get I'm gonna get his stats here,

640
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 4: or I might let just rehtt do this guy's We

641
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 4: talked about Mississippi having some defensive players. JJ Pegeese is

642
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 4: a guy on the interior defensive front. He started his

643
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 4: career out as a tight end and then grew into

644
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 4: a defensive lineman. But when you when you put the

645
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 4: tape on and you watch him play, this is a guy.

646
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 4: This is a guy that you look and say, well,

647
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 4: this is just a football player. And so JJ Pegeese

648
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 4: And then another guy that I've got here on defense

649
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: from Kentucky, a cornerback named Maxwell Harriston. This guy, I'm

650
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 4: really interested to see what he runs at the combine.

651
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 4: It's gonna be really important. He really had a nice

652
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 4: senior Bowl. He had a nice senior Bowl.

653
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: He was sticky. He was in phase.

654
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 4: Sticky means that I mean he didn't have a lot

655
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 4: of wasted steps when he was matching the routes that

656
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 4: were coming at him, and then he was in phase.

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Speaker 4: In phase means when they get further down the field,

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Speaker 4: that I mean he held his water pretty good.

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Speaker 2: He didn't panic when the all was in the air.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested in those two guys.

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Speaker 4: And then of course, look I got a couple on

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Speaker 4: offense that I've got to go right here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Frog, I knew it was coming.

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Speaker 4: Save you on Williams up from TCU sixty five, two

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Speaker 4: hundred and twenty five pounds last year, sixty passes, six

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Speaker 4: hundred eleven yards, six touchdowns, fifty one carries. They used

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Speaker 4: him a lot, you know, on in the round stuff,

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Speaker 4: three hundred and thirty two yards and six more tds.

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Speaker 4: In addition, this guy was three for three passing for

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Speaker 4: twenty two yards. Size athleticism. Now, these aren't combine these

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Speaker 4: aren't combined numbers. These are school numbers. But he's ten

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Speaker 4: six on the broad jump, which is a lot of

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Speaker 4: explosion for a guy that long squatted six hundred pounds,

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Speaker 4: which is lower body strength, and he was clocked at

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Speaker 4: twenty two and a half miles an hour. I'm looking

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Speaker 4: forward to seeing him, Okay, Frog, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 3: I want to circle back to your first two guys

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Speaker 3: when you talked about Max Harrison. First of all, he

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Speaker 3: saw him at Senior Bowl five eleven and change one

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Speaker 3: seventy nine. Wiry build in nineteen timesackles, one tackle for loss,

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Speaker 3: a sack, and an interception, four pass breakups, two forced

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Speaker 3: fumbles in twenty twenty four. He'll be a medical check

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Speaker 3: guy because he had a shoulder injury against Georgia in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. He missed five games, so that's something.

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Speaker 3: But because he practiced and played in senior ball, I'm

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Speaker 3: probably gonna check out. Okay there, but JJ Pegeese that

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Speaker 3: he mentioned from ole Miss, one of those four defensive

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Speaker 3: linemen that's at the Combine this week. He was an

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Speaker 3: East West Shrine guy. Really showed off and the athleticisms

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Speaker 3: there because Max' right, he was a converted tight end.

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Speaker 3: He actually was played some tight end at Auburn and

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Speaker 3: they transferred to ole Miss six to two three twenty

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Speaker 3: five forty two tackles, eighteen solo tackles, three and a

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Speaker 3: half sacks in twenty twenty four. And the kind of

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Speaker 3: person he is as far as loving the game, being

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Speaker 3: good to his teammates. He was the Chucky Mullins Award

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Speaker 3: Courage Award winner in twenty twenty four, which it's kind

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Speaker 3: of like wearing that number at LSU, wearing that number

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Speaker 3: at Texas a and m you wear number thirty eight

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Speaker 3: if you want the rest of your time at Ole

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Speaker 3: Miss And that's a huge, huge honor. They actually used

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Speaker 3: him in short yardage stuff as a full back and

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Speaker 3: as a running back to move the chains in some

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Speaker 3: tush push kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 4: You know, when Rett and I are putting this stuff together,

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Speaker 4: I watch all the tape and then there's all this,

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Speaker 4: all these nice little nuggets.

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Speaker 2: These are ret nuggets, which are which are really really important.

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Speaker 2: I mean ret Nuggies, red nuggies.

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Speaker 4: And that's why, that's why we will be going back

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Speaker 4: and forth when we when we do the draft.

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Speaker 1: I'm writing down ret nuggets because that just screams some

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Speaker 1: sort of partnership.

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Speaker 2: It is. That's what it is. It's what we do

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Speaker 2: and brought to when we're when we're doing our.

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Speaker 4: Draft show on draft day, you'll hear Coach Mack give

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Speaker 4: a lot of what's on the tape, and then the

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Speaker 4: ret nuggets will.

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Speaker 2: Follow what follow nuggets.

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Speaker 4: The other guy I want to talk about on our

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Speaker 4: fence as soon as you compose yourself over.

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Speaker 1: There, I think it's funny.

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Speaker 2: It is funny.

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Speaker 4: It is a guy named Basil Tooton from Virginia Tech

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Speaker 4: little running back. He was originally at North Carolina A

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Speaker 4: and T five eleven two hundred eight.

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Speaker 2: Four to three to two.

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Speaker 4: In the forty twenty three miles an hour vertical jump

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Speaker 4: of thirty nine inches, he averaged more than six yards

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Speaker 4: per carry.

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Speaker 2: And again, I don't.

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Speaker 4: Know how many people have ever watched North Carolina A

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Speaker 4: and T. I know people have watched Virginia Tech. But

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Speaker 4: Basil Touton is a.

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Speaker 2: Guy to know. Love it.

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Speaker 1: You guys, I am so excited before I let you go,

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Speaker 1: I thought this might be a fun game regardless of position.

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Speaker 1: Who is the top player in the NFL draft as

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Speaker 1: it stands? Right now, Monday, February twenty.

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Speaker 3: Fourth, Abduall Carter, Edge Rusher Penn State Mac.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's already said Abdul Carter, hadn't he.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you can agree with him. You're well Travis

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Speaker 1: Hunter then okay.

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Speaker 4: I mean they're both. They are both. That's that's the

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