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Speaker 2: Welcome home, y'all, Welcome to another episode, Episode one and three,
Speaker 2: only three that really count, but whatever, I am Bakari sellers,
Speaker 2: I'm your kind of host. With these three amazing people,
Speaker 2: we have Andrew Gillim, We're switching it up a little bit.
Speaker 2: We're gonna introduce the Fellas first, yes, yes, and then
Speaker 2: we have Angela Rye and we have the amazing immaculates
Speaker 2: across and so I just want to say, welcome home.
Speaker 1: I never remind me of your question. You just triggered me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 4: You guys say that.
Speaker 3: One of the viewer was like, and I got a
Speaker 3: question of you, and miss Cross, I got a question.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna start with what's on your heart and mind?
Speaker 2: What's some of the things you want to talk about.
Speaker 2: I don't want to start with you.
Speaker 4: It's so much in the space one we should acknowledge.
Speaker 4: We're here in Texas. Deal yes, very much like Florida
Speaker 4: for me. But what's on my heart mind is this
Speaker 4: shutdown which is now showing up up for a lot
Speaker 4: of our government workers. It's the first week so the
Speaker 4: second week that they haven't gotten a check and so
Speaker 4: thus you know, stuff is getting desperate. We should talk
Speaker 4: about them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Angel, Yes, I agree, and the pass forward. What
Speaker 1: can our community do because we've always had to rely
Speaker 1: on each other when we couldn't rely on the government.
Speaker 1: I think on that, apparently you can't rely on good
Speaker 1: information these days. So I want to talk about NAACP's endorsement,
Speaker 1: alleged endorsement of Abigail Spamberger, which never happened, but we'll
Speaker 1: get into that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as always, I want to I want to get
Speaker 3: into this viewer question. We have a viewer question about
Speaker 3: going into uncomfortable spaces having uncomfortable conversations, and I always
Speaker 3: like to hear from our viewers, so definitely want to
Speaker 3: be sure we get to that.
Speaker 2: And I wanted to talk about the verses between cash
Speaker 2: money and no limit. I don't know if y'all saw.
Speaker 3: That, but we should because I didn't even know versus
Speaker 3: was still happening.
Speaker 2: I can't believe y'all missed that. But that's been good.
Speaker 5: Huh, Okay, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also also on a more serious note, something that
Speaker 2: we all care about, which is justice, and accountability. It's
Speaker 2: not justice. You have to be very very clear with
Speaker 2: your language. Justice is Sonya Massey being here with her family.
Speaker 2: But accountability is the fact that the officer was found
Speaker 2: guilty this week of second degree murder of Sonia Massey.
Speaker 2: So may may your memory be a blessing and may
Speaker 2: she now be able to rest in peace.
Speaker 5: Can you just remind the audience what.
Speaker 2: I mean, Sonia Massy is first of all, the problem
Speaker 2: that I have is, I guess, like a lot of you,
Speaker 2: all the litany of names of unarmed African Americans who
Speaker 2: were gunned down at the hands of state violence. But
Speaker 2: Sonya Massey, if you recall as someone who actually called
Speaker 2: nine one one to her home and the officer came in,
Speaker 2: and you've seen the image in her it looks like
Speaker 2: her din or living area, and you can see the
Speaker 2: kitchen in the back, and didn't take long for him
Speaker 2: to murder her, execute her, kill her in our own home.
Speaker 5: Didn't she say God bless you?
Speaker 2: Yes, she did say God bless you. And so I
Speaker 2: just you know I and you know we're in Houston,
Speaker 2: We're in Texas. Shout out to Benjamin Crump and others
Speaker 2: who you know carry that torch and do great work
Speaker 2: in that space. But I wanted to make sure we
Speaker 2: gave some breath because we get a lot of tragedy
Speaker 2: in our communities and very rarely does that tragedy lead
Speaker 2: to anything other than more tragedy. Yeah, but at least
Speaker 2: we can get people that there is if you stay
Speaker 2: in the fight, then you can get some sense of accountability.
Speaker 1: And regardless of how they sully the name of it,
Speaker 1: the point here is black lives still matter, Black lives
Speaker 1: must matter, black lives do matter.
Speaker 3: But on the same note of black lives matter, you
Speaker 3: also wanted to we were talking about on the way
Speaker 3: over here that you wanted to make a point because
Speaker 3: a lot of our people in the Caribbean are.
Speaker 5: Facing Hurricane Melissa. So I know that you wanted to.
Speaker 4: Just yeah, I get into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think we're into it. We are definitely
Speaker 1: into it. I was just gonna say, you know, on
Speaker 1: this point, as natural disasters ravage not just our communities
Speaker 1: but also brothers and sisters in the Caribbean, and we're
Speaker 1: facing FEMA cuts along with all of the other cuts
Speaker 1: with this government shut down, I just think that we
Speaker 1: need to be paying attention to how we meet the
Speaker 1: needs of our brothers and sisters throughout the diaspora, certainly
Speaker 1: in Jamaica, certainly in Haiti, certainly in Cuba. And I
Speaker 1: think we definitely don't know the full impact of everything
Speaker 1: that's happened just yet, but we need to be paying
Speaker 1: attention to that, donating where we can, if y'all can provide, can, goods, services, water,
Speaker 1: whatever we can do to make sure that we meet
Speaker 1: those needs. I think we need to all be leaning
Speaker 1: in right now.
Speaker 2: Let's start from here, Andrew, let's delve into that. I mean,
Speaker 2: we're talking about the government shutdown. I don't know what
Speaker 2: they were on the government shut down? Yeah, what we
Speaker 2: It seems like a blur, and people watching I don't
Speaker 2: really think they care what they were on. It's whether
Speaker 2: or not needs and services and met. So what are
Speaker 2: your initial thoughts?
Speaker 4: I mean, just to say the desperation, I'm not. You know,
Speaker 4: it's crazy to see people who are on the everyday
Speaker 4: experience middle class, however hard they're holding onto it, but
Speaker 4: get up every day doing what they can to make
Speaker 4: away for themselves and for their families, and not from
Speaker 4: a sense of struggling necessarily, but really a sense of empowerment.
Speaker 4: These are jobs, careers that they aim for, they got them,
Speaker 4: and to one day be secured in that position, bringing
Speaker 4: home your regular income, doing the things that you are
Speaker 4: regularly obligated to do, rent, mortgage, food, so on and
Speaker 4: so forth, and maybe even leisure in life. So now
Speaker 4: find yourself standing in a food bank line has to
Speaker 4: be more than a blow to just your stomach, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, there is so many questions of how do
Speaker 4: I get here? How did we get here? How did
Speaker 4: the government go from being an institution that's supposed to
Speaker 4: exist to uplift and to support us and to have
Speaker 4: our back should we ever find ourselves falling through the net.
Speaker 4: It is the catch safe. But what happens when that
Speaker 4: government comes right the problem? It becomes the crisis it
Speaker 4: is self invented. And then the president doesn't care enough
Speaker 4: to see it resolved, to back from Asia, maybe not
Speaker 4: have gone, maybe to deal with his own government which
Speaker 4: is shuttered. His own government. Employees across the range of
Speaker 4: the federal government, the largest employer in the in the
Speaker 4: United States, not having the basic needs that they need
Speaker 4: to survive. And the fact that we have a Republican
Speaker 4: president or Republican majority in the US and Republican Speaker
Speaker 4: of the House, and the Republicans collectively controlling the whole
Speaker 4: of government. It's a shame that they can't keep it open.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was thinking about even more than that.
Speaker 2: You know, these maga talking points of America first, and
Speaker 2: we just spent forty billion dollars bailing out Argentina. And
Speaker 2: even when people talk about snap benefits and EBT. I
Speaker 2: had a friend of mine who just texted me two
Speaker 2: days ago. I was talking to Ellen about it, and
Speaker 2: you know, he was like, can you help me with Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2: Because you know we're not our EBT is not going
Speaker 2: to be starting the first It's just not going to
Speaker 2: be the same. So, you know, I've been thinking about this,
Speaker 2: like that's where I'm from. You know, Denmark, South Carolina
Speaker 2: is a poor rural community, Bamberg, poor rural community. So
Speaker 2: how do I stand in the gap a community that
Speaker 2: poured into me so much. So I'm like calling on
Speaker 2: the phone. I'm talking to Charlemagne because he does like
Speaker 2: three or four of them, Like how do we make
Speaker 2: sure that we do these? So I got my partners
Speaker 2: were going out scraping up turkeys, and other things just
Speaker 2: to stand in the gap. So that's kind of the
Speaker 2: tangible thing you're doing to make sure that you have
Speaker 2: the cans of And I don't even know if everybody
Speaker 2: who's who's watching this fully grasp it. I think many do,
Speaker 2: but not everybody. But you have like the cans of
Speaker 2: cranberry sauce, and you go and get a couple of
Speaker 2: sweet potatoes, and you get you know, maybe one of
Speaker 2: those five or six pounds, and you just hand out
Speaker 2: as as many as you can so that people can
Speaker 2: have that fellowship that is Thanksgiving because we're here now,
Speaker 2: but coming up, you know, in a couple of days,
Speaker 2: those those cards aren't aren't going to be refilled.
Speaker 1: There there are some places where they're already not like
Speaker 1: out of commission. There's no snap. And for those of
Speaker 1: you at home, food stamps are also what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: I think that because we're saying EBT and SNAP and
Speaker 1: we all do it interchangeably. If you have the car,
Speaker 1: you know as EBT, right. But I think there are
Speaker 1: a few things. One is there's a woman I saw
Speaker 1: online talking about she's already skipping meals so that she
Speaker 1: and her significant other can eat together at night. The
Speaker 1: other thing that I think is really important for us
Speaker 1: to understand is normally people are providing food around the
Speaker 1: holidays in particular, but there are people hungry right now.
Speaker 1: And this is not a shot to what you're saying
Speaker 1: at all. It's important too, but like, how do we
Speaker 1: make sure that we okay, that we answer the call,
Speaker 1: literally answer the call, no matter where it's ringing, and
Speaker 1: hope you'll get to it quickly. Because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, we are all we have. There is
Speaker 1: no reason why we can't meet the needs, especially when
Speaker 1: so many of us have an abundance. I will tell
Speaker 1: you just this one point. This is actually shameful. I
Speaker 1: throw away so much food. I order a lot of food.
Speaker 1: Y'all know, Like we sit down and we eat, and
Speaker 1: we want to try all the things. Maybe now the
Speaker 1: call is maybe we don't try that one thing. We
Speaker 1: order an extra entree and ask somebody nearby if they
Speaker 1: need it, if they want it.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll just tell you I have someone in my
Speaker 3: immediate family. As we've talked about, who gets food stamps,
Speaker 3: and even the amount that people get is not a
Speaker 3: robust amount, and there are so many restrictions on how
Speaker 3: you can spend the money now. Thankfully, in my family,
Speaker 3: you know, I can subsidize the needs of my immediate
Speaker 3: family member who gets this benefit. But we're definitely looking
Speaker 3: at a reassessment of my finances and a reassessment of hers,
Speaker 3: because what I've tried to say is when this benefit
Speaker 3: goes away, we should not make the assumption that it
Speaker 3: will return. And so even though SNAP benefits are from
Speaker 3: the federal government, they are administered by the states, and
Speaker 3: so states have the option to tap into emergency funding
Speaker 3: to keep this going. But the thing is if they
Speaker 3: tap into that, that will take away from something else.
Speaker 3: And I think the danger is a lot of people,
Speaker 3: when you're hungry, you don't care, and we're looking at
Speaker 3: people I'm in such a place of privilege that I
Speaker 3: can subsidize my family. But there is actually a lot
Speaker 3: of sound from people in these food lines to your point,
Speaker 3: who definitely need the help, Like this woman here.
Speaker 4: They were the subsidizers.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 4: We didn't hurt anybody.
Speaker 5: We don't deserve this.
Speaker 4: What does.
Speaker 5: This distribution mean?
Speaker 1: I mean, if it means to me, it means the
Speaker 1: world to me what they're doing, because sometimes you for
Speaker 1: you feel forgotten. You go to work to help people.
Speaker 4: That's our job to help people. That's all the week
Speaker 4: we go in every single day.
Speaker 1: This is day twenty eight.
Speaker 4: The last paycheck we got was for seven days through
Speaker 4: the end of September.
Speaker 1: That's it. So we've been there every single day.
Speaker 4: We've been there every day.
Speaker 7: Who's thinking of us.
Speaker 1: We didn't hurt anybody, I promise you.
Speaker 4: We give our best.
Speaker 3: We have good people that go to work every single
Speaker 3: day to.
Speaker 2: Give them back. I'm sorry one that was some kind
Speaker 2: of heart wrenching, kind of emotional sound that we've been
Speaker 2: talking about. I wanted to make three policy points. The
Speaker 2: first thing that people need to know is that there
Speaker 2: is enough emergency reserve fund for the government to keep
Speaker 2: this open for another two to three weeks.
Speaker 4: It's enough money to open it, period.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying like, they have the reserve fund
Speaker 2: for two to three weeks. Now, that's not a long time.
Speaker 2: But we're talking about people literally going hungry. So if
Speaker 2: anybody wants to say, oh, if Democrats open up the
Speaker 2: government today, then they're not. No, no, no. Donald Trump has
Speaker 2: made a conscious decision and sometimes cruelty is the point.
Speaker 2: Number Two, there is something that you can do. I mean,
Speaker 2: democratic governors can sue, and thirty of them have or
Speaker 2: excuse me, attorney generals have sue. Twenty of them have
Speaker 2: have suit the United States Department of Agriculture where these
Speaker 2: funds come from. So if you're in a state, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm on Alan Wilson's ass Republican. He wants Donald Trump's endorsement.
Speaker 2: So he's not moving. However, like, we have tens of
Speaker 2: thousands of people in South Carolina that are going hungry
Speaker 2: simply because you want Donald Trump's endorsement, and so you
Speaker 2: need to file suit to the USDA and do your
Speaker 2: job to represent South Carolina first. And the last thing is,
Speaker 2: which is somewhat policy, somewhat humanity is fundamentally there is
Speaker 2: this belief and I see it on I see it
Speaker 2: amongst Republican elected officials. I see it on X, I
Speaker 2: see it on Instagram. You know, why don't people get
Speaker 2: a job? That's so crazy, But it just discounts the
Speaker 2: fact that we have a working poor in this country,
Speaker 2: and that a lot of they say, oh, all these immigrants, sorry,
Speaker 2: but what about Okay, No.
Speaker 4: You can't get it if you do not have a job.
Speaker 4: In most states, you can't even pull down the benefit.
Speaker 2: Without the work.
Speaker 4: The work requirement is the point.
Speaker 2: Most of the different Most of the people are white, the.
Speaker 4: Majority of recipients.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so I'm just like this. The racial undertones
Speaker 2: and the xenophobia that comes along with this debate is
Speaker 2: something that has been rubbing me the wrong way.
Speaker 1: But the other thing that I think we have to
Speaker 1: take stock of is going back to this discretionary fund.
Speaker 1: They have the ability to fund snap benefits for three weeks,
Speaker 1: as you said, and then in those three weeks, guess
Speaker 1: what happens The continuing resolution that they would have passed
Speaker 1: that would have been very harmful would be up anyway.
Speaker 1: The next CR is November twenty first, so they can
Speaker 1: fund it literally through the next CR to hopefully get
Speaker 1: people through at least their Thanksgiving groceries. Maybe it's because,
Speaker 1: as you to your points, if it's still not enough money,
Speaker 1: most of the folks have to get some type of
Speaker 1: subsidy and certainly are working more than one job. So
Speaker 1: I think this is the point. And I guess my
Speaker 1: plea to all of us would be, while we know
Speaker 1: we should be able to rely on our government for support,
Speaker 1: policy is supposed to be people first. If we cannot,
Speaker 1: we still have each other. And I was saying on
Speaker 1: the Afrotech stage earlier, because that is why we are
Speaker 1: in Houston, that I think it's so important for us
Speaker 1: to understand how reliable we are as human beings. My
Speaker 1: algorithm has shifted because I posted enough of the folks
Speaker 1: who've been filling in the gap around snap the you know,
Speaker 1: the free lunch for government workers, even for the folks
Speaker 1: who've been furloughed or laid off, free lunch for governmentkers.
Speaker 1: Come get a meal, you can get fried fish, shrip whatever.
Speaker 1: And then also coming to get groceries from farmers, the
Speaker 1: farmers that have said come and take whatever you want,
Speaker 1: this is yours. I am so encouraged by that because
Speaker 1: it tells me that the humanity is not gone, like
Speaker 1: our empathy is not gone.
Speaker 4: I value that, Angela. The resilience of people. Yeah, is
Speaker 4: like the hero story in this But it angers me
Speaker 4: to no degree that in the wealthiest nation and the
Speaker 4: history of the world that we're talking about people having
Speaker 4: to rely on their local pastor's generosity or their local
Speaker 4: neighbor's charity in order to pull down on what are
Speaker 4: basic human needs.
Speaker 1: Speaking of pastors, I want to roll this clip from
Speaker 1: Jamal Brian and Carrie Brian where they showed their humanity
Speaker 1: and sacrifice in offering to the church.
Speaker 6: To do this with you, give God some praise for
Speaker 6: our first lady An. I've been in an earnest prayer
Speaker 6: and Friday, the Holy Spirit arrested me and it really
Speaker 6: shook me.
Speaker 4: But I got peace knowing that I was hearing the voice.
Speaker 2: Of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 6: Since March, three hundred thousand black women have lost their jobs.
Speaker 6: Knowing that this is the highest unemployment rate for black
Speaker 6: people in over fifteen years, Knowing that government workers and
Speaker 6: government contractors have been furloughed and have not received a check,
Speaker 6: even while senators and congress people are receiving theirs, Knowing
Speaker 6: that forty three million people are not receiving food benefits.
Speaker 4: The Holy Spirit arrested me in prayer.
Speaker 6: I was on a plane headed to Chicago, and the
Speaker 6: Lord dropped in my spirit, and I want you to
Speaker 6: hear the heart of your pastor that I didn't feel,
Speaker 6: in good conscience, or in good faith, or in good
Speaker 6: faith that it would be appropriate today for me to
Speaker 6: do an over and above offern I didn't feel like
Speaker 6: it would be right to ask people to march down
Speaker 6: with five thousand, two thousand, three thousand and one thousand.
Speaker 6: When people don't know how they're gonna pay their rent,
Speaker 6: they don't know how they're gonna take care of their kids,
Speaker 6: don't know how it is that they're gonna eat. Y'all
Speaker 6: ain't saying nothing to me. I know that this ain't popular.
Speaker 6: I know this ain't gonna go viral. They always talk
Speaker 6: about the negative stuff churches do. But I felt like
Speaker 6: we had a higher responsibility.
Speaker 1: I love the fact that we can still find social
Speaker 1: justice and empathy and compassion in church houses, and I
Speaker 1: think we definitely saw which I think one of.
Speaker 3: The challenges though, because we're talking about snap benefits, there
Speaker 3: are some things that even though we can rely on
Speaker 3: each other, to feed each other has been a tradition,
Speaker 3: and certainly we can look back to civil rights leaders,
Speaker 3: particularly the Black Panther Party, who was able to meet
Speaker 3: the need of the people. But then there is just
Speaker 3: an infrastructure of government that services us. And when we
Speaker 3: think about of the people, by the people, for the people,
Speaker 3: what does it look like when it includes us? And
Speaker 3: right now we're seeing in air traffic controllers TSA staff.
Speaker 3: We all travel a lot, and so walking through those
Speaker 3: lines knowing that those TSA workers are showing up not
Speaker 3: getting paid, a lot of military force is not getting paid.
Speaker 3: But also the number of black women who lived in
Speaker 3: service to this country, to our community who have been
Speaker 3: laid off from the federal government has a ripple effect
Speaker 3: across multiple states. And so they're cutting their nose off
Speaker 3: despite their face because social Security checks all the things
Speaker 3: that need to be processed where black women stood in
Speaker 3: the gap and did those things. Eventually, that is going
Speaker 3: to hit white America and more specifically is going to
Speaker 3: hit Maga America, and they are going to feel the
Speaker 3: impact of this. And I fear that they are not
Speaker 3: curious enough to connect the dots. That they are armchair
Speaker 3: Fox News watchers who will continue to regurgitate the same
Speaker 3: right wing talking points that are demonstrably false and willfully ignorant.
Speaker 4: I you know, I have two minds, and this may
Speaker 4: be controversial, but in some ways I wish that they
Speaker 4: weren't able to bail out individual pieces of Americans. Yes,
Speaker 4: during this time, I agree, because when you are big
Speaker 4: and bad enough to accept the consequence of shutting down
Speaker 4: the federal government everyday. Americans need to know what that means.
Speaker 4: And if this week we can pay a soldiers, and
Speaker 4: then next week we can pay you know, the farmer folks,
Speaker 4: and then the next week ices you know, buckle back up,
Speaker 4: and then the next week that they do something else.
Speaker 4: This is an unsustainable system. At some point the dime
Speaker 4: stops coming. And where we are, by the way, just
Speaker 4: so that we're all abundantly clear paying What this shutdown
Speaker 4: is about is the government ran out of money to
Speaker 4: pay the bills that it has already incurred. Correct, this
Speaker 4: is not about future spending of the government. This is
Speaker 4: not about obligations that are ten years down the line.
Speaker 4: This is the US government. Our elected officials have spent
Speaker 4: more money than they've taken in and so because they
Speaker 4: don't have what it takes to demonstrate leadership, they've just
Speaker 4: decided they would stop collecting, stop spending. Not stop collecting,
Speaker 4: stop spending until the opportunity moment is right politically. But
Speaker 4: what I've never understood about the debt ceiling is that
Speaker 4: it never seems to be explained as clearly as possible,
Speaker 4: is that this is you going out to eat a
Speaker 4: red lobster or wherever your favorite place is and then
Speaker 4: walking out on the bill nothing else.
Speaker 1: This is also about appropriating funds to authorization measures, so
Speaker 1: policy which you probab it out at a couple of
Speaker 1: shows ago. The big, the big beautiful bill that is
Speaker 1: a big, ugly mass. This is also supposed to be
Speaker 1: funding that. And there are a lot of people who
Speaker 1: are of good will who are saying, we actually don't
Speaker 1: support this. These things that you're going to fund aren't
Speaker 1: going to be funded at the levels that we agree with,
Speaker 1: or the things that you're offering as contingencies for those
Speaker 1: funds are also not moral. So that's another big part
Speaker 1: of this that I don't think that we can escape.
Speaker 1: The biggest point I want to drive home today is
Speaker 1: they are robbing Peter to pay Paul, and I think
Speaker 1: that we have to understand that that mass also does
Speaker 1: it math in the law. I agree, Paul is definitely
Speaker 1: a billionaire in this analogy.
Speaker 4: Is the largest American wealth. But but it's not.
Speaker 1: Just that peace. There's also impoundments. There's there's all they're
Speaker 1: breaking the law coming and going. Even the anonymous donation
Speaker 1: to the military to pay in the military is breaking
Speaker 1: the last.
Speaker 3: Frightening because we don't know where that money. The largest
Speaker 3: military we'll come from.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, Timothy me pronounced his name. It's not anonymous.
Speaker 2: His first name is Timothy, but melon, he's somebody who donated.
Speaker 4: Already, half of ideas stand that this is individual and largest.
Speaker 3: Buying a military, and you can turn our military into mercenary.
Speaker 5: So that's right.
Speaker 2: I have one question to put.
Speaker 5: I have a question for you.
Speaker 3: It's a legal question, and I don't know if you'll
Speaker 3: be able to answer.
Speaker 2: La.
Speaker 3: We'll try, Okay, all right, I did better than chairs whoever,
Speaker 3: whoever can answer this. But I have seen a movement
Speaker 3: online of people saying the only thing they can do
Speaker 3: is to opt out of paying taxes, that.
Speaker 5: There is a way from us terrible.
Speaker 3: Like you, there's a whatever you know when you're getting
Speaker 3: your paycheck and you can opt out, saying like, no.
Speaker 1: Either went to jail for that.
Speaker 3: Because I'm telling you, if people have been responding ready across.
Speaker 2: Line, let me tell you what's going on targets. First, Okay,
Speaker 2: them fees and fines gonna add up so quick your
Speaker 2: head gonna spend, and then you're gonna get that letter
Speaker 2: saying it's a lean and then you're gonna be like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm militant, I'm gonna opt out, and then you're gonna
Speaker 2: have that agent knock at your door. And then by
Speaker 2: that time you're going to whatever low load middle to
Speaker 2: low low load security camp.
Speaker 3: Like you have a tax bill, I mean your paycheck
Speaker 3: that you get every two.
Speaker 1: We understand exactly what you're saying. I'm saying when you
Speaker 1: mark zero withholdings and protesting because I'm gonna keep my
Speaker 1: tax dollars because I don't like how you spending my
Speaker 1: tax dollars. You are going to go to jail.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're gonna pay me.
Speaker 1: You didn't spend your money on a new car that
Speaker 1: you thought you wasn't.
Speaker 5: It You talking about tears.
Speaker 1: We talk about terrors too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: Where they put Wesley Snipes.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Respectfully, this is a white people conversation that we can
Speaker 1: to see. I asses out of.
Speaker 2: Like, regardless of who caused this, and I know that's
Speaker 2: kind of hard to separate, but regardless of who caused this,
Speaker 2: and some viewers are gonna be like, whatever, you can't
Speaker 2: say regardless.
Speaker 5: Of what the Republicans caused it.
Speaker 2: But regardless of that fact, right period, regardless of that fact,
Speaker 2: for a lot of people, their trusting government is going
Speaker 2: to be broken, shattered. But I'm just saying, so how
Speaker 2: do we how do we rebuild that? I mean, we
Speaker 2: have we have so many important things coming up that
Speaker 2: are going to require those people who now have a
Speaker 2: And if it was distrustful, it's damn sure distrustful. Now
Speaker 2: it's like not getting caught cheating once, but damn you know,
Speaker 2: got cault cheating twice.
Speaker 4: These people can't forget who is causing the suffering. These
Speaker 4: people can't. They can no longer continue to disconnect their
Speaker 4: everyday lives from what is happening. But they don't pick
Speaker 4: they don't, they may not, but about what they do
Speaker 4: to me? What it is that we about what we
Speaker 4: have to do? Because right now, the reason why our
Speaker 4: framer said you have a democracy if you can keep
Speaker 4: it correct, it's because they knew that if left our
Speaker 4: own devices meet, we might take our eye off the
Speaker 4: ball and say, let them do what they're doing over here.
Speaker 4: I'm living my life and we.
Speaker 2: Know it's not even a democracy. But that's a whole correct.
Speaker 4: My only point is is for anybody who is confused
Speaker 4: about one who started it and who caused it, and
Speaker 4: while we're still experiencing it, do not be confused in
Speaker 4: the future when we are talking about who created the
Speaker 4: worst man made suffering that we've experienced so far modern
Speaker 4: day time. Man made this is and it's the federal government.
Speaker 4: But I'm Republican.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing that I want y'all to consider, okay,
Speaker 1: and that is when you are suffering the harm and
Speaker 1: experiencing the pain and facing the consequence, is you don't
Speaker 1: really care, but you must. I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Because I've been there. I know on the side of suffering.
Speaker 4: I am some days now on the side of suffering.
Speaker 1: I understand.
Speaker 4: I am saying we cannot have a short term marriage.
Speaker 2: That is the problem.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. I think there is a
Speaker 1: huge gulf between. There's a huge gulf between you must
Speaker 1: and I can't, and we have to figure out a
Speaker 1: way to bridge it because until you're out of your suffering,
Speaker 1: you I don't even know, and I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: project this on anyone, but I don't even know. If
Speaker 1: it's humankind can process whose fault it is. You're just
Speaker 1: enrage that you're experiencing, especially when it's not by any
Speaker 1: means anything that you did that.
Speaker 2: I can't articulate the point any better. I hear your.
Speaker 1: Must how I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna tell you how. I'm gonna tell you how one
Speaker 2: the people who we vote for currently, how the onus
Speaker 2: on them to show up Like our Democratic attorney generals,
Speaker 2: they during this moment have to be filing suit have
Speaker 2: to be doing those things.
Speaker 4: Let's speak of the House of the Republicans who haven't
Speaker 4: been to work since.
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about things people like literally can see,
Speaker 2: touch and care about. Right. The other thing is the
Speaker 2: other thing is which I'm gonna say, is that the
Speaker 2: CBC and a lot of the Democratic Caucus members have
Speaker 2: just gone somewhat invisible. You don't see them out, You're
Speaker 2: not hearing from them at these town hall meetings, in
Speaker 2: these streets. You're not seeing them launching these food banks.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying they're not doing it, But what
Speaker 2: I am saying is that we're not commanding that attention
Speaker 2: on our efforts. The next thing I will say is
Speaker 2: that twenty twenty six becomes even that much more important
Speaker 2: because if Democrats get control of the House, people are
Speaker 2: going to be looking at them. This is going to
Speaker 2: be one of the more consequential elections for Democrats because
Speaker 2: they're going to be looking at us to provide tangible
Speaker 2: resources even in a very lopsided government, because they have
Speaker 2: this fundamental distrust and the golf is getting bigger and
Speaker 2: bigger for both parties.
Speaker 1: I just feel like, I hear what you say. It's
Speaker 1: hard to and I'm always going to be the CBC bias,
Speaker 1: but like, how do you expect for them to go
Speaker 1: out and do these things? They are in a fight
Speaker 1: for their lives most of them. They are doing them.
Speaker 1: They're not breaking through, they're not covering them. That's certainly
Speaker 1: the truth, and I agree with that. I agree. I'm
Speaker 1: not fighting, y'all, I'm a grant. But I also think
Speaker 1: that they are also put on their heels because they're
Speaker 1: in the fight for their lives, just protecting their seats.
Speaker 1: Every single we like the caucus will likely shrink to
Speaker 1: have its size correct. So not only are they going
Speaker 1: to have to go out to try to win elections
Speaker 1: in districts that they've not running before, the makeup is
Speaker 1: so different. So we're asking them to carry a responsibility
Speaker 1: that they should as public servants. But also with this
Speaker 1: new found district, these new constituents they don't know, may
Speaker 1: not carry.
Speaker 2: The thing is yeah, So what I'm asking of the
Speaker 2: CBC and the Democratic Caucus is during extraordinary times to
Speaker 2: put forth extraordinary effort. And that's what every nothing you
Speaker 2: said is incorrect. Yes, some of them just.
Speaker 4: Don't know how we form our face to ask Democrats
Speaker 4: who are already doing the things that we're demanding, except
Speaker 4: not getting coverage for it, to take on another thing
Speaker 4: while then not a not holding Republicans don't care, but
Speaker 4: they've done a care because these new seats will include voters.
Speaker 2: Why do I like?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: I mean I can I can, in one hand say
Speaker 2: Democrats need to do more and not only and if
Speaker 2: they are doing more, we need to make sure you.
Speaker 4: Be any of this. When you said no one cares
Speaker 4: about who is responsible.
Speaker 2: Because I'm saying that there, I didn't say no one.
Speaker 2: I said there's a group of people out the voters
Speaker 2: who who simply don't care. I mean, that's a fact.
Speaker 2: What I'm also saying is that I can say that
Speaker 2: Mike Johnson is the most feckless Speaker of the House
Speaker 2: we've ever had in the history of this countraest. He's
Speaker 2: completely what's the A word, advocated duty to Donald Trump
Speaker 2: to run the house right and and has he done
Speaker 2: a food and dune. But my other point is that
Speaker 2: during these extraordinary times, we're talking about people going hungry
Speaker 2: right right, and so I'm waiting for you know, just
Speaker 2: thinking outside the box. I'm just making this up. I'm
Speaker 2: waiting for the Democratic Caucus poor Rule community tour just
Speaker 2: handing out turkeys, right and then and then visiting visiting
Speaker 2: local because I feel like and I know that sounds
Speaker 2: really like small or No.
Speaker 4: I think that's marketing and they should do marketing. But
Speaker 4: this is where I don't know how we can I
Speaker 4: don't know how we can be insensed about people not
Speaker 4: eating and then no, not just you, all of us.
Speaker 4: I don't know if we can be insisted about people
Speaker 4: not being able to eat, but then tac political and
Speaker 4: strategic about how to resolve this, because at this moment
Speaker 4: the resolution is right in front of our eyes. The
Speaker 4: people who have the ability to end this are choosing
Speaker 4: not to. Mike Johnson was the Speaker of the House
Speaker 4: where the greatest disagreement exists right now. Hasn't called the
Speaker 4: members of Congress back to Washington since the government got
Speaker 4: damned closed. Democrats have been in Washington, and it been
Speaker 4: told to be within two hours or four hours distance
Speaker 4: from Washington in DC. Since the government closed, they've been
Speaker 4: there on the clock, wording right. So what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: the reason why all of this feels small is because
Speaker 4: we are not I think I think the problem is
Speaker 4: you among us. I think we are using a fly
Speaker 4: swatter by way of approach of how.
Speaker 2: To fix it. I think that the can I think
Speaker 2: that the cancer that we're not.
Speaker 4: Address these people from having to be responded.
Speaker 2: Nobody's releasing them.
Speaker 4: It is a release when we say it isn't if
Speaker 4: my mama saying that it was ch The reason why
Speaker 4: the expectation is where it is, the reason why expectations
Speaker 4: is where it is is because people who have the
Speaker 4: license to set expectations differently are capitulating. But he's saying,
Speaker 4: I know y'all not going to keep score about this,
Speaker 4: But I.
Speaker 2: Just that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying,
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, what I am clearly saying, is that
Speaker 2: we have a cancer in this country that is only metastasizing, right,
Speaker 2: And I hear your point about what is going on
Speaker 2: in Washington, d C. But what I'm also saying is
Speaker 2: that there are fundamentally people who are being affected by
Speaker 2: this who don't necessarily care who broke it, right, who
Speaker 2: don't care who broke it? And if we don't, if
Speaker 2: we don't address this problem, then that cancer of distrust,
Speaker 2: that cancer of apprehension is going to metastasize. And what
Speaker 2: I'm saying is that it's going to be so far
Speaker 2: beyond repair. And yes, this is of Donald Trump's doing.
Speaker 2: He wanted to sow in this distrust.
Speaker 4: So the drive is the South.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no no. That first of all, that's no.
Speaker 2: That's simply an example of an actionable item that can
Speaker 2: be on a list of a million actionable items. Is
Speaker 2: the marketing a part of it, Yes, because people.
Speaker 4: Want just as the time ball meeting, they can do
Speaker 4: that might get a food back at the end. But
Speaker 4: we want to talk about that.
Speaker 2: And that, you know what, then then we let's do both.
Speaker 2: There's no there's no either or. But what I am
Speaker 2: saying is that saying that saying that this is where
Speaker 2: I think your idea fails because saying that you are
Speaker 2: in Washington, DC and I have to be two to
Speaker 2: four hours away from the count I said it and
Speaker 2: I'm fighting for you is not enough.
Speaker 4: That was the information for you. But what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: what I actually said, was the solutions that we are
Speaker 4: proffering do not meet the scale of the child. Because
Speaker 4: I pose the question, so happy to have help on
Speaker 4: this one. Stop letting people off of who's responsible for us, notution,
Speaker 4: not for you, for anyone who may be condemented.
Speaker 2: That's not a tangible solution.
Speaker 4: It is if you let me finish, get the answer.
Speaker 4: That's number one. Let me give you number one, because
Speaker 4: number one is the most important part. This is the
Speaker 4: piece of Democrats keep losing elections for which is forgetting
Speaker 4: how we got here, forgiving everybody who got us here
Speaker 4: and then letting they ask is off the hook wom
Speaker 4: we're back in power and need to hold them accountable.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So the reason why I start an end and anytime
Speaker 4: I'm talking about this, I'm going to do it to
Speaker 4: tell you who bought this suffering to you is because
Speaker 4: largely it's out of most people's minds about whose fault
Speaker 4: because they don't really follow the process that closely. But
Speaker 4: when people know very clearly who bought them to the
Speaker 4: well or who kept them from the well, they know
Speaker 4: how to penalize their ass when they get the chance to.
Speaker 4: I may be down today, but tomorrow I'm coming for you.
Speaker 4: I know who you are. I think it's important, not
Speaker 4: a nice to have and not a throwaway line. It
Speaker 4: is a mandatory thing to do, to tell people who
Speaker 4: has their foot on your neck. Number two, we have
Speaker 4: to do obviously mutual ae anywhere we have the opportunity
Speaker 4: in our communities to be the first line of response
Speaker 4: for our folks. That's from the elected to the local
Speaker 4: parties to the neighbor. Right, you show up for each other,
Speaker 4: for one another, and the best way that we can
Speaker 4: in this moment, more churches need to pick up on
Speaker 4: the effort a Pastor Bryan and first Lady carry where
Speaker 4: they set the example for, Yeah we got to keep
Speaker 4: the lights on. Yeah we got to pay the mortgage
Speaker 4: to this big church. And it does make me a
Speaker 4: little bit nervous when we start messing with that. But
Speaker 4: the moment requires an outsized response, not the typical, but
Speaker 4: an outsized response so they're going to do what they
Speaker 4: can from where their respective places are These food banks
Speaker 4: that you talked about earlier, who are right now going
Speaker 4: to be an increased demand, and who are their demand.
Speaker 2: Will also whose supply is actually decreasing.
Speaker 4: Sure, and guess what else, Now you are multiplying the
Speaker 4: needers because you took the people who are every day
Speaker 4: perpetually finding themselves in this cycle, and now you've laid
Speaker 4: on top of them folks who were part of the
Speaker 4: giving class. These are folks who are paying ties and offerings,
Speaker 4: they were volunteering at local organizations. They're what we would call,
Speaker 4: quote the responsible citizen, doing what they're supposed to do.
Speaker 4: So you've not met taken that group of people, set
Speaker 4: them on top of this. On top of that, the
Speaker 4: stuff coming in isn't at the level that it needs
Speaker 4: to be, and so you have fewer supplies, a greater demand,
Speaker 4: all of it brought to you by the Republican leadership
Speaker 4: in Washington, DC, who could not care less about your suffering,
Speaker 4: not only because the suffering is the point, but they
Speaker 4: can't care less. They can't care less because their incentive
Speaker 4: structure is different. They don't necessarily count on your vote anymore.
Speaker 4: In fact, as far as they're concerned, they wish they
Speaker 4: would no vote ever to be had again. They only
Speaker 4: get to exist in this space because the billion as
Speaker 4: who are backing them running separate elon Musk million dollars
Speaker 4: if you vote efforts and they think they can overcome democracy.
Speaker 4: What is that they think they can overcome it?
Speaker 1: I really appreciated this conversation. I know we're not done,
Speaker 1: but I just want to say I get your point.
Speaker 1: My frustration with the who is to blame is I
Speaker 1: have anxiety around solving the problem. But I under I
Speaker 1: understand when you said it that way, when you got
Speaker 1: through your whole one A, B and C. I get it.
Speaker 1: But I also feel like I just want us to
Speaker 1: move different and I wonder if we're at the phase
Speaker 1: now where we have to lead by example.
Speaker 2: So thank you that think.
Speaker 1: Jump in, go ahead, double du.
Speaker 2: No, go ahead. I was sitting go ahead. I always
Speaker 2: tell people that that being a pastor and being elected official.
Speaker 1: You a pastor, no, okay, good, he's in, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Gotta say, being an a pastor and being an elected
Speaker 2: official are two professions that have something very much in common.
Speaker 2: It's that people expect more from you than they expect
Speaker 2: from themselves. And Andrew, I go on TV every single
Speaker 2: night and articulate number one, Right, I articulate number one
Speaker 2: in your point and whose foot is on your neck
Speaker 2: so you're blue in the face. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2: What people are missing in that moment of distrust that
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the people who we're in the barbershops with,
Speaker 2: the people who are who we run into, the people
Speaker 2: who are in you know, maybe not in our clubs,
Speaker 2: maybe not in the Links or Jack and Jill, but
Speaker 2: maybe they are the people who are making sure that
Speaker 2: our trains run on time in our respective communities. That
Speaker 2: is secondary to them. Their pain is what's primary to them,
Speaker 2: and they want to see And you may not be
Speaker 2: able to fix everything. You may not be able to
Speaker 2: pay their rent, you may not be able to get
Speaker 2: them meals every single night. But they are missing individuals
Speaker 2: doing number two of what you said, I hear you,
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying that we have to hold our people,
Speaker 2: the ones that are listening to us during this moment
Speaker 2: of extraordinary times. We have to ask them to have
Speaker 2: extraordinary effort and actually listen. They are But I was
Speaker 2: going to end I was just gonna end this on
Speaker 2: this scripture real quick, because I believe that's where I started.
Speaker 2: But it's the Book of James. And we become a
Speaker 2: party of faith all the time. We always, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, we are faithful people, but we have faith
Speaker 2: in our elected officials. But it teaches you that faith
Speaker 2: without works.
Speaker 4: Is this just a straw man argument, is what I hear.
Speaker 4: But I don't like these people who you're talking about,
Speaker 4: our listeners, the ones who are going the extra mile
Speaker 4: trying to take care of folks to make sure that
Speaker 4: they have what they need, which is what we have
Speaker 4: always done always.
Speaker 2: I can't gonna do that.
Speaker 4: They're doing it, and so I don't understand why it
Speaker 4: doesn't make sense to compliment and to encourage more of that.
Speaker 4: And I wouldn't even think that this is the thing.
Speaker 4: I can say, one, two, and three. They're all one.
Speaker 2: We need one?
Speaker 4: Why are we in need? Is one?
Speaker 1: How do we.
Speaker 4: Meet in need? Is one?
Speaker 3: But also you guys.
Speaker 4: Me, then then then we don't make exceptions. We don't
Speaker 4: then tell something, I mean, all of us, we don't
Speaker 4: say who's the blame? And they say, but they shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: I got some mistake to head on it for you
Speaker 1: to consider since Stiff said, I like the bag, she
Speaker 1: didn't want me in it. But I'm gonna claim my
Speaker 1: time real quick. Here's the only thing. There are some
Speaker 1: who are meeting the moment, it's not sufficient. And so
Speaker 1: I do think for those who have been struggling with
Speaker 1: how to meet the moment because they're like, I'm still
Speaker 1: in shock about what moment it is, they do need
Speaker 1: to get some Okay, why don't you do a free
Speaker 1: turkey giveaway? They do need some of that urging, not
Speaker 1: because this is their fault or they're doing but because
Speaker 1: you're in the minority. So when you're in the minority,
Speaker 1: you are in the minority. I'm talking about. No, the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party is in the minority in the House and
Speaker 1: the Senate, they are. But but what I'm saying thing
Speaker 1: is when you're in the minority, you have an obligation
Speaker 1: to show people what life and politics could be like
Speaker 1: if you were in charge. And I think some of that.
Speaker 4: And what it should be is that you don't have
Speaker 4: to do a turkey drive this weekend. No, what it
Speaker 4: should be is we gotta pay people with the goddamn
Speaker 4: money they are worth. Wetta we should be. No, I'm
Speaker 4: just saying.
Speaker 1: No, this isn't the same Sure, no, because.
Speaker 4: It's not the same thing. I want to make the
Speaker 4: point of difference clears.
Speaker 2: I need to go to miss Cross.
Speaker 4: It's simply to say it is not enough for what
Speaker 4: you when you're a democratic for elected to just show
Speaker 4: up and be at the Hamburger Drive. If you're there
Speaker 4: at the Hamburger Drive and you're not letting people know
Speaker 4: why we're here, let me finish and what has to
Speaker 4: happen through the system. Yes, how this whole ship has
Speaker 4: to reform because Turkey drives again in six months or
Speaker 4: six weeks.
Speaker 1: I agree with that, But I think the only part
Speaker 1: I think you're missing from me. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: speak for me or for TIF. I know TIF. It's
Speaker 1: trying to weigh is. I'm saying it is that and
Speaker 1: some thing else. It is an alternative solution. It is
Speaker 1: not just like we're here to fight back against what
Speaker 1: they're doing. We are not in resistance. We are in opposition.
Speaker 1: Here's what the vision could be, Here's what it looks
Speaker 1: like it feels like to be with me. That is
Speaker 1: not being clearly articulated.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows. What I'm saying is that people want to
Speaker 2: see and feel that concrete action. And that's not that's
Speaker 2: not a solve, that's not a bomb to the bomb
Speaker 2: BA l M to the crisis that's happening up there.
Speaker 2: But what it does do is help us with this
Speaker 2: cancer that's metastasizing in our own communities, one that we
Speaker 2: act like doesn't exist. And that's the trust deficit. And
Speaker 2: that's the trust deficit because there has been an action
Speaker 2: in our communities, and there has been an action. And
Speaker 2: so let's talk about this other point real quick because
Speaker 2: we don't have that much time left. But what about
Speaker 2: the candidates that are running for office? I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: one of the states that's most important right now now,
Speaker 2: two of the states that are most important, and I
Speaker 2: hope people are watching. You want to change some you're
Speaker 2: talking about changing and putting your your your foot to
Speaker 2: the pedal or your shoulder to the will. We got
Speaker 2: elections in New Jersey with Mikey Cheryl, and we got
Speaker 2: elections in Virginia with Abigail Spamberger, and so we.
Speaker 1: In California ballot initiative.
Speaker 2: And Proposition fifty. So I mean, we have things that
Speaker 2: really really matter here. And not only that, but Mikey
Speaker 2: Cheryl needs Newark County black, I mean the city of
Speaker 2: Newark black folk to come out. And it's a whole
Speaker 2: bushel of black folk in Virginia at Abigail Spamberg and needs.
Speaker 4: Or New Jersey states if these candidates are actually talking
Speaker 4: about what change they're creating. So I can't say that that's.
Speaker 3: I also think at this time, when people are suffering,
Speaker 3: and as much that black people have poured into this country,
Speaker 3: that we ask of them again. We're asking of them
Speaker 3: again while the government is not living in service to you,
Speaker 3: we're asking you to live in service to these candidates,
Speaker 3: which is.
Speaker 4: A lot of all a lot of to be made, right.
Speaker 3: But I think to your point, Andrew, I think is
Speaker 3: really important for us to contextualize. And I love how
Speaker 3: you detail what because so many people ask what can
Speaker 3: be done? So I really love the intellectual exchangement. I'm coming.
Speaker 3: I'm really because I think I think you both made
Speaker 3: good points.
Speaker 2: This clearly articulates my point here, and this is what
Speaker 2: I was talking about on a campaign. The messaging that
Speaker 2: Andrew was talking about usually suffices, right.
Speaker 4: What you're talking about usually is efficient, but is what
Speaker 4: they do.
Speaker 2: But the camp, what what I'm talking about is the
Speaker 2: campaign of reinforcing the messaging of who's to blame, how
Speaker 2: I will be the change, who's putting your foot on?
Speaker 2: But right now, right now, during this time, we need
Speaker 2: these campaigns to be more action oriented, particularly in our communities,
Speaker 2: and using your campaign as a vessel to do number one, one,
Speaker 2: one one.
Speaker 1: As you were saying, Andrew, and Andrew, I just have
Speaker 1: to say this. Andrew knows this firsthand, like you can
Speaker 1: be as smart ass. Hold on, you've been a smart ass.
Speaker 1: But Andrew literally did this on his campaign. It was
Speaker 1: a tipping point for your campaign.
Speaker 4: You didn't just.
Speaker 1: Go and say, you know what you guys should do?
Speaker 1: You a protest?
Speaker 2: He went down.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I said.
Speaker 2: I've read I read six hundred and fifty questionnaires and
Speaker 2: one of the things I viewers don't like is cross talk.
Speaker 1: So he actually didn't read it.
Speaker 2: But keep going, Angel, if you could complete your thought,
Speaker 2: and Andrew d is this my camera see how the
Speaker 2: show runs smoothly?
Speaker 4: You know what I was saying is looking when we
Speaker 4: were providing mutual aid to folks, I would never get
Speaker 4: out there providing mutual eight without disconnect, allowing people to
Speaker 4: be disconnected from why we're experiencing what we're experiencing. And
Speaker 4: so I would say anybody saying either in saying and
Speaker 4: painting the picture, I'm saying, we may not, we may
Speaker 4: not buy our conversation feel like there's a there's as
Speaker 4: I feel the distance greatly because I feel, particularly in
Speaker 4: our political environment where the elected officials are coming out
Speaker 4: and doing service to some of these points but don't
Speaker 4: feel any of it. So I can say the Republicans
Speaker 4: have bought us Da Da Da Da Da Dad and
Speaker 4: number two, but I need you to go out this
Speaker 4: Thursday and vote, so we send them a lesson and
Speaker 4: then their next that'sments like buses or rides to the polls.
Speaker 4: That's pretty statutorily what you do. What I'm saying is
Speaker 4: the moment is requiring something bigger. You can talk about
Speaker 4: the fact that we're right here at a food drive
Speaker 4: and I'm as unhappy about being here as I have
Speaker 4: ever been about doing anything in my life. Not because
Speaker 4: I don't believe we should be first aid to one another.
Speaker 4: We've always been that. But in the wealthiest nation and
Speaker 4: all the world in all time, why are we standing
Speaker 4: out here begging each other for some chicken?
Speaker 1: It's my pleasure to serve you, but I resent the nature.
Speaker 4: I have to tell you about how we got so
Speaker 4: let me tell you we got to acknowledge that, and
Speaker 4: then let's talk about the kind of world we can have.
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree. I think we have to be
Speaker 2: very forward looking. But I think the word service has changed.
Speaker 2: I think that service is more than the traditional service
Speaker 2: of you getting on your plane and going to Washington, DC.
Speaker 2: And I think the word service has become bigger, and
Speaker 2: I think that it has to become more because these are.
Speaker 4: It's the people who give service to the word.
Speaker 2: And the reason we're in this, the reason we're in
Speaker 2: this predicament with people in their trust deficit, is because
Speaker 2: we haven't held our people accountable for disagree.
Speaker 4: The trust deficit that I think we are experiencing is systematic.
Speaker 4: It is not by accident. We didn't stumble upon it.
Speaker 4: People are not at a level of distrust for no reason.
Speaker 4: And largely and largely it has not been about the
Speaker 4: government shutdown.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 4: That is so I would just say this, it's been building,
Speaker 4: and I would say it has been methodically inserted in
Speaker 4: the process. To how you destroy democracies is by you
Speaker 4: take the most capable, biggest, giant, most consistently deliverable entity
Speaker 4: in all the land, and you break it apart, piece
Speaker 4: by piece, so that one day you show up for
Speaker 4: a jury duty and the summons that was sent to
Speaker 4: you was done in era. You shouldn't be here this
Speaker 4: morning at seven thirty to note yourself, do not respond
Speaker 4: to the next jury dutey something, because they don't got
Speaker 4: that shit together in the first place. They're gonna let
Speaker 4: us out. Okay, now we're at the state Unemployment office. Oh,
Speaker 4: you can't get those benefits, ma'am, because it shows that
Speaker 4: you have not been consistently every day for X number
Speaker 4: of hours looking for a job for the last thirty days. Therefore,
Speaker 4: you will not get the benefits that you were looking
Speaker 4: forward to for this next month. Good luck paying your RAMT, mortgage, food, clothing,
Speaker 4: so on and so forth. Okay, well, now it's turn
Speaker 4: to page Now I'm showing up for my Social Security
Speaker 4: check and that's been on time ever since Dadada, it
Speaker 4: ain't coming this week. Those locally grown farms who produce
Speaker 4: for the Local Share program, the Local Share program which
Speaker 4: then gives kids who don't have reliable meals on the
Speaker 4: weekends food they can take home in a grocery bag.
Speaker 4: But they mama then make food for over the weekend. Oh,
Speaker 4: those didn't show up. So it's the systemic and it
Speaker 4: isn't by accident, right, Russell volks Vogue is not wondering
Speaker 4: how people are going to be fed this weekend. He
Speaker 4: is not wondering how government employees are going to make
Speaker 4: ends meet or what TSA worker shows up with the
Speaker 4: wrong attitude today, although well deserved because they get to
Speaker 4: pay their bills this month, is going to do something
Speaker 4: that then provocates another incident that causes I don't know,
Speaker 4: maybe the busiest airport in all the world to be
Speaker 4: shut down. Right, so they then do there's crisis at
Speaker 4: the crisis at the crisis at the crisis they all
Speaker 4: created is the common denominator that then causes people to say,
Speaker 4: I can't trust this is the thing you wanted to
Speaker 4: lean lean on d D. And then the day when
Speaker 4: you need them, the democracy is gone and they're not responding.
Speaker 4: Were wondering, why shit you don't respond to A example
Speaker 4: B C D E F da da da da da
Speaker 4: da da so all I'm saying is that this isn't never, never,
Speaker 4: never take a crisis for granted. Now you're in a
Speaker 4: crisis now, which means we have people's attainment. I think that,
Speaker 4: So what are we going to do with the attention
Speaker 4: now that we have it? So that it changes?
Speaker 2: My only point is that in twenty sixteen, in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump made a conscience effort to erode our foundations
Speaker 2: of government, whether or not it's the jurisprudence, whether or not,
Speaker 2: it's our media, whether or not, it's just the fundamental
Speaker 2: tenets of everything we held to be true. We realized that,
Speaker 2: we realized that government was extremely fragile. I like the
Speaker 2: analogy of Donald Trump being a bull in a china shop.
Speaker 2: And the reason I like that analogy is because whenever
Speaker 2: that bull leaves that china shop or dies or whatever,
Speaker 2: that china is forever damaged. You just don't put china
Speaker 2: back together. It's forever damaged, So that the fundamental way
Speaker 2: that we approach democracy has been forever damaged. I hope so.
Speaker 2: But my only point is that while all of these
Speaker 2: things that you enumerated are being ticked off, the problem
Speaker 2: is that people want to see someone not only fight
Speaker 2: for them, which they feel is lukewarm at best. We've
Speaker 2: had that conversation on here whether or not you can
Speaker 2: meet that moment. But they're also saying, while I'm suffering,
Speaker 2: I'm watching these things happen. I'm watching these things happen.
Speaker 2: And so what happens to me and my friends and
Speaker 2: my family and my colleagues while we're suffering? Here I
Speaker 2: am and just going to food banks? Is this all
Speaker 2: that I have? Is this all that government has the offer?
Speaker 2: But I think there's more to the discussion started people discussion.
Speaker 3: And unfortunately, yeah, before.
Speaker 2: We get out of here, they're gonna get mad at
Speaker 2: me if I don't do that.
Speaker 3: I just want to say the audience really quickly that
Speaker 3: we know we said we would talk about other topics.
Speaker 5: I'm na a c.
Speaker 2: P and the.
Speaker 1: Spamburger that's the alert.
Speaker 3: Yes, And we said we would get to viewer questions
Speaker 3: and we definitely will next week.
Speaker 5: So if you have a question, please send it in.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be clarified, Well, we can get
Speaker 3: to all of those topics that I know. It's difficult
Speaker 3: and we just go these names out and you don't
Speaker 3: know who we're talking about or so we will get
Speaker 3: to all those topics. But I just wanted to acknowledge
Speaker 3: that we told you at the beginning of the show
Speaker 3: we would and.
Speaker 2: We'll do that.
Speaker 7: Who cares about truth when the last morning's seen it?
Speaker 5: I have a tta, but you you go, do you know?
Speaker 2: And So to kick off the call to actions, Miss Cross,
Speaker 2: I just want.
Speaker 3: To say to you, gentlemen, I really enjoy here in
Speaker 3: the back and forth between you guys. I found it insightful, enlightening.
Speaker 3: I was sitting here like really enlightened. I had nothing
Speaker 3: to say. I just wanted to listen. So my call
Speaker 3: to action to the audience. The past couple of weeks,
Speaker 3: we've had a lot of engagement on our platform. We
Speaker 3: talked about the movement of anti black or insite intellectualism
Speaker 3: ravaging the black community. We've had guests on and we've
Speaker 3: had a lot of new viewers pay attention to our platform,
Speaker 3: and weiy in on YouTube, way in on Instagram, share
Speaker 3: the clips and have conversations about it. I hope on
Speaker 3: a day like today, where we've talked about really substantive
Speaker 3: things that are integral to a lot of people's lives,
Speaker 3: that we will get that same level of engagement, your
Speaker 3: same opinions, even in disagreement. We welcome that we want
Speaker 3: to hear from you. This is no matter what your
Speaker 3: background is, no matter how you consider yourself, no matter
Speaker 3: if you agree or disagree, everyone is welcome home here.
Speaker 3: And if you're new to Native Land, this is the
Speaker 3: type of conversation that we normally have and we would
Speaker 3: just love to hear from you and see that same
Speaker 3: level of engagement when it doesn't involve a celebrities podcast,
Speaker 3: gossip or a beef.
Speaker 1: Mis right, don't start no beef at home, y'all.
Speaker 4: I would say pologies if I have been offensive to
Speaker 4: anybody during the the you know, the the gravity of
Speaker 4: the moment, it really is demanding I think something more
Speaker 4: of us, and I think you said that and we agreed.
Speaker 4: We may have different tactics on how to get there.
Speaker 4: But just like during the campaign when we said the
Speaker 4: sky was gonna fall and you know, Earth was cracking
Speaker 4: and the Savior was returning, today, Uh, it's all pretty
Speaker 4: much you know, kind of hand, you know, beginning to
Speaker 4: pant itself out. And this is why elections do have consequences.
Speaker 4: Well for those of us who are sitting on the
Speaker 4: other side of its saying we told you. It has consequences.
Speaker 4: Consider for a moment that they didn't believe you because
Speaker 4: they haven't been able to believe you and what you
Speaker 4: say is going to happen or what you're going to do.
Speaker 2: Ever, I just said that the whole show.
Speaker 1: It was just why you're the different tactics, the brilliant one.
Speaker 4: But to go further there is the American people are yes, resilient,
Speaker 4: and they are lots sterner and made of a lot
Speaker 4: of sterner things. And I think we give them credit
Speaker 4: for and they're also a lot smarter than we give
Speaker 4: them credit for. The fact that people can't hold two
Speaker 4: truths at the same time and American politics is ridiculous.
Speaker 4: It is insulting it again. So my call to action
Speaker 4: is believe that people are strong enough to handle a
Speaker 4: multiplicity of facts and situations and occurrences, to be able
Speaker 4: to dial check them off, deal with them successfully or not,
Speaker 4: so as they go down the list, and at the
Speaker 4: end of the day still know what to do next,
Speaker 4: even if no one has instructed them. It's an intuitive,
Speaker 4: it's innate, it's guttural, and I bet anyybody who's writing
Speaker 4: now worried about a meal and can connect who is
Speaker 4: causing that suffering. We'll get their vengeance.
Speaker 2: And I hope that we meet this moment and we
Speaker 2: make sure that those people who are waiting on that meal,
Speaker 2: we can provide them with some very tangible hope that
Speaker 2: that meal is coming. And I think that all of
Speaker 2: our elected officials need to take that extraordinary step to
Speaker 2: do this. My call to action is very simple. I
Speaker 2: want everybody watching to, if you live in a red
Speaker 2: state or blue state, reach out to your attorney general
Speaker 2: and ask your attorney general to do something. In particular,
Speaker 2: join the effort to sue the United States Department of Agriculture.
Speaker 2: Why because there are millions of people who are literally
Speaker 2: going hungry. And we talk about our faith often, but
Speaker 2: you have to walk it like you talk it.
Speaker 4: And I hope that my campaign.
Speaker 1: From the it was we talked about the campaign anyway.
Speaker 2: This is episode number three hundred and sixty nine. No,
Speaker 2: it's not, No, it's not that episode. I'm tripping this episode. Everybody.
Speaker 2: It feels like I've been here for three hundred episodes
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Speaker 1: It's till the midterm elections. There is an election for
Speaker 1: many of us.
Speaker 2: But I do believe that viewers and listeners are capable
Speaker 2: to hold two truths. So you know, you know, you
Speaker 2: know when the elections in in UH Virginia and in
Speaker 2: UH New Jersey are and you know when the midterms
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