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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Boot podcast. The You Got Bad Bad Luck addition,

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Speaker 1: as Dave Lapham joins me to take a look back

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Speaker 1: at the first week of Bengals training camp, including the

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Speaker 1: calf injury suffered by Joe Burrow. The Bengals Boot Podcast

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Speaker 1: the greatest thing since Quarterback on Netflix. By now, you've

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Speaker 1: probably heard of the eight part documentary that provides a rare,

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes look at what it takes to play

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Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL, as The Seer's focuses on three

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Speaker 1: qbs throughout the twenty twenty two season, Patrick Mahomes, Kirk Cousins,

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Speaker 1: and Marcus Mariota. I watched it and thought it was outstanding,

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Speaker 1: but when I asked Joe Burrow about it, he said

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Speaker 1: he hadn't watched the show and didn't plan to. When

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Speaker 1: another reporter asked why, here was Burrow's answer.

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Speaker 2: Would you watch documentary about Hobson?

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Speaker 1: That was a reference to legendary Bengals Dot Com editor

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Speaker 1: Jeff Hobson. And for the record, I would definitely watch

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Speaker 1: a documentary about Jeff. And just to be clear, Burrow

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Speaker 1: wasn't comparing Mahomes, Cousins and Mariota to the Bengals lovable scribe.

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Speaker 1: Joe simply prefers watching non football shows in his free time. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's get to the first week of training camp. Perhaps

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Speaker 1: you've heard of the broadcaster's jinks. For example, if you

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Speaker 1: use the words no hitter in the late innings of

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Speaker 1: an no no in progress, it's supposedly bad luck. If

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Speaker 1: you mentioned that a kicker has made fifteen straight field

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Speaker 1: goals just before his next attempt, he's bound to miss. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't believe in such a thing, but it almost

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Speaker 1: felt like there was a reporter's jinx in Cincinnati this week.

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Speaker 1: Following the Bengals first practice, Joe Burrow was asked several

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Speaker 1: questions about finally having a normal training camp. If you

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Speaker 1: remember his rookie year, was impacted by COVID protocols and

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Speaker 1: the elimination of preseason games. In his second year, Joe

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Speaker 1: I've edited together Joe's answers when he was asked about

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Speaker 1: the benefits of being healthy this year at the start

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Speaker 3: I'll come would hopefully we'll see.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel great.

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Speaker 5: It was time.

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Speaker 2: Last year was sitting in the hospital bed a couple

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Speaker 3: So it's it's good to be out there with the guys.

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Speaker 3: Anytimes you get more reps, the better you're gonna be.

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Speaker 3: So when you have four weeks of training camp, you're

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Speaker 2: And you know, you can't can't.

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Speaker 3: Waste any of those days because all those days matter,

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Speaker 3: and you're.

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Speaker 2: On a pursuit of constant improvement, and if you waste

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Speaker 2: I feel in my position, I don't want to waste

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Speaker 2: I've I've wasted enough days last two years with you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't I don't want to get out

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Speaker 3: Need these days to to be my best. I know

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Speaker 2: Which, like I said, knock on wood, nothing's happened yet.

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Speaker 1: Nothing's happened yet, So much for that. The following day

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Speaker 1: going to miss several weeks a calf injury. Caused Sam

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Speaker 1: Last year, he returned for the final game of the

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Speaker 6: I know about calf strains all too well, and they're

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Speaker 6: But really early in camp. We'll see what the prognosis is.

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Speaker 6: But you know, he's gonna do everything he can to

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Speaker 6: you know, it's just a bummer because I want him

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Speaker 6: to have a healthy training camp. Nobody worked harder this offseason,

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Speaker 6: we'll we'll handle this as a team. He'll handle it,

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Speaker 1: Again. Burrow is going to miss several weeks, and while

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Speaker 1: he was hoping to play a series or two in

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Speaker 1: the two guys competing to be his backup, Jake Browning

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Speaker 5: I don't really know how ready any of your second

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Speaker 5: And so yeah, I mean, I think I've been working

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Speaker 5: And so I feel like, now that's steel. I got

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Speaker 5: a good practice. It's a singular practice, but I feel

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Speaker 1: Trevor Simeon is thirty one years old and entering his

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Speaker 7: There's a certain level of professionalism that you try to have,

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Speaker 7: and you know, I don't ask, you know, when I

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Speaker 7: because I'm the new guy, if you want to call

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Speaker 1: It's hard to get through training camp with only two

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Speaker 1: healthy quarterbacks. So the Bengals have signed Red Sinnate, who

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Speaker 1: the Buccaneers and Dolphins, as well as ten games on

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Speaker 1: to look at the Bengals first four practices with my

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Speaker 1: broadcast partner Dave Lapham Lap. One of the biggest storylines

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Speaker 1: going into training camp was Joe Burrow finally gets a

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Speaker 1: he suffered that calf strain. I'm a recreational runner, as

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Speaker 1: you know. I've had some calf issues over the years.

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Speaker 1: They stink, but they heal. The key is don't rush

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean that is that is the biggest piece

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Speaker 4: don't want to be in that situation. You don't want

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Speaker 4: injuries now again, initially probably they weren't. They were more

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Speaker 4: you know, guys, the regular season, the pressures on to

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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor did not give a specific timetable. He used

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, and I think that it's going to

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Speaker 4: be say it's four weeks and you have like a

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Speaker 4: unfortunately he's going to miss that work day. You know.

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Speaker 4: Against the Green Bay Packers, the Wednesday practice is like

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Speaker 4: taking educated guesses and you can. It's it's a much

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Speaker 4: against an opponent and not a teammate. Iron can sharpen Iron,

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Speaker 4: there's no question. But boy, when the Iron is another team,

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Speaker 4: Joe's right calf. That's his push off foot. That's where

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Speaker 4: If he's running the schematic of what the Bengals are

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Speaker 4: Right now, absolutely, I mean that you know that that

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Speaker 1: he had outperformed the original contract that he signed. He's

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Speaker 1: not being paid at the top of the defensive line

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Speaker 1: scale even though he's been playing like it for a

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Speaker 1: couple of years. So you reward him for that without

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Speaker 1: you know, ripping up the last two years of his deal.

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Speaker 1: You add a year on so they hold on to

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Speaker 1: him for another year and reward him for excellent performance

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Speaker 1: in his first two seasons of the Bengals.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Trey Hendrickson, what he's fourth I think

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Speaker 4: in the NFL and quarterback sacks over the last two

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Speaker 4: or three years in the NFL. So this this guy

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Speaker 4: is a premier pass rusher. And I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's an extension. A lot of that can

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Speaker 4: be bonus. You can play with the salary cap. There's

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Speaker 4: a lot of things when you know you just read

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Speaker 4: one year contract. Okay, it's a contract extension. It's not

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Speaker 4: replacing this year. There's bonus money that makes them hole

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Speaker 4: this year, but it can be pro LTD pro rated

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Speaker 4: on the salary cap. And the Bengals have one of

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Speaker 4: a cap and amis that's as good as anybody in

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Speaker 4: the National Football League and Katie Brown getting it done.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I would not be surprised if at some

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Speaker 4: point if they can't get Joe Burrow's deal done that

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Speaker 4: Logan Wilson would be the first one to me to

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Speaker 4: be a deal be an extension happened with Logan because

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Speaker 4: team Logan and the other guys this year, and Logan

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Speaker 4: would be probably the most easy path to take. That

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Speaker 4: would you could pro rate and do the least damage

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Speaker 4: to your overall cap that would still leave room. You'd

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Speaker 4: in a perfect world, probably you'd like to have Joe

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Speaker 4: go first. But if Joe, if they can't get to

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Speaker 4: an agreement with Joe and you want to get somebody

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Speaker 4: done before the season starts, I think the pecking owner

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Speaker 4: would be the Logan would be the next guy up

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Speaker 4: maybe to get a contract done. Potentially, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: And that was another benefit of the Trey Hendrickson extension.

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Speaker 1: You can adjust those dollars accordingly to create more immediate

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Speaker 1: space with the goal of retaining Burrow, Higgins and Wilson

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Speaker 1: prior to this season. We're a few days into training camp.

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Speaker 1: We are having this conversation after Back Together weekend, the

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Speaker 1: Saturday practice inside of pay Court Stadium, roughly thirty thousand

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Speaker 1: people in attendance. Anybody jump out any of the rookies

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Speaker 1: in these first few practices. Is there anybody that's caught

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Speaker 1: your eye?

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Speaker 4: You know? I mean the defensive backs had a day

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Speaker 4: at Back Together again. DJ Turner. He played well today

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Speaker 4: and he's played well I thought all a training camp.

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Speaker 4: He's got the speed, just the raw speed, but also

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Speaker 4: he has the change of direction. The sink your hips

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Speaker 4: and change direction with the wide receivers. He's very sticky

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Speaker 4: in coverage. I mean, he's right there, He's getting it done,

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Speaker 4: getting it done all the time. And dj Ivy had

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Speaker 4: probably as good a workout as anybody did at the

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Speaker 4: Saturday Back Together Acts that was open to thirty thousand fans.

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Speaker 4: I mean he got juiced up. I mean he made

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Speaker 4: plays and when the lights came on, he was there.

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Speaker 4: He was making plays, contested catches, getting his hands on footballs.

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Speaker 4: I think Cam Taylor Britt continues to battle with Jamar Chase,

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Speaker 4: those stirring matchups out there on that corner on a

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Speaker 4: snap by snap basis, And I can remember wide receivers

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Speaker 4: talking about playing against Dion, you know, in practice when

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Speaker 4: they were Cowboys, how much better they got working against

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Speaker 4: the guy of his caliber, and and it lifted the

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Speaker 4: whole boat, you know, in terms of those skill guys.

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Speaker 4: So I see that because these young guys talked to

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Speaker 4: him in the locker room after practice to like, nobody's

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Speaker 4: better than our white outs. So man, I can make

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Speaker 4: plays against our whiteouts. I can. I feel like pretty confident.

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Speaker 4: I can hang in there with a lot of people

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Speaker 4: and it's like they're really starting to show, but they've

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Speaker 4: had so few reps, I mean almost on a snap

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Speaker 4: by snap basis, they're going to get better. So this

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Speaker 4: is just the beginning. I mean, they're scratching the surface.

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Speaker 4: I really, I really like what I see on that

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Speaker 4: on that back end and in the battle for four,

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Speaker 4: five and six in the receiver corps, it's going to

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Speaker 4: be a good one. There's some dogs there. Man.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Jones, the fourth round draft pick rookie out of Purdue,

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Speaker 1: had a bunch of catches on back together Saturday, the

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Speaker 1: day before. Andre Yosi Vass, the sixth round pick out

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Speaker 1: of Princeton, had some twenty yard plus catches on back

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Speaker 1: shoulder throws where basically they said, you're bigger and stronger

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Speaker 1: and faster than the guy covering you. We're throwing it.

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Speaker 1: Go get it.

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Speaker 4: He did, he did. I mean, it's it's going to

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Speaker 4: be if you. The thing is, this roster is so competitive,

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Speaker 4: so deep. If you make the Bengals fifty three man roster,

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Speaker 4: it's a hell of an accomplishment. Now you may not

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Speaker 4: be active on game day, but if you make that roster,

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Speaker 4: that's the next thing. The first thing is to make

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Speaker 4: the fifty three men and then you can do a

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Speaker 4: little exhale, But then you want to make that roster

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Speaker 4: on game day that is the next goal, you know,

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Speaker 4: and then the goal after that would be contributed some

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Speaker 4: of a package. Then the goal after that would be

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Speaker 4: the start, you know. And but you know, I always

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Speaker 4: approached it like you'd set goals and have a few, Okay,

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Speaker 4: reward yourself, reward yourself, well, bet track in the right way.

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Speaker 4: Pretty soon you're climbing the ladder of success. And you know,

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Speaker 4: now all of a sudden you're reaching a pretty darn

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Speaker 4: good goal. But along the way, you know, has something

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Speaker 4: where you can feel good about yourself. So that's what

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Speaker 4: that's the way, particularly as a rookie, That's how I

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Speaker 4: approached it and the way they've got it done. Now

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Speaker 4: in the National football they only have one cut. They

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Speaker 4: go from you know, ninety players down to fifty three

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Speaker 4: one cut. I mean, that's going to be it's going

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Speaker 4: to be a flood of players on the waiver wire. Man.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you the personnel departments around the league, they

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Speaker 4: got to be on their p's and q's to make

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Speaker 4: sure that they've got everybody, you know, rated on a

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Speaker 4: position by position basis, you know, one through whatever it's

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Speaker 4: going to because there's gonna be a ton of bodies

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Speaker 4: out there.

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Speaker 1: Last year Back Together Saturday ended on a sixty five

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Speaker 1: yard field goal by Money mac Evan McPherson. This year

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Speaker 1: they let him try sixty seven yarder. He did not

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Speaker 1: come close, which is very unusual to see. I mean,

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Speaker 1: even his miss is usually missed by a whisker. So

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Speaker 1: what did he do? He stayed out there after it

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Speaker 1: was finished and made a sixty five yarder.

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Speaker 4: He's he's something else. He's special as well. You know,

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Speaker 4: his approach, his makeup. It's all you're talking to, you know,

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Speaker 4: Jim Breech and other specialists along the years when when

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Speaker 4: they talk about what you have to be to be

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Speaker 4: a successful kicker in the National Football League in terms

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Speaker 4: of personality and makeup and all. This kid he checks

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Speaker 4: every box. He's he's the real deal.

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Speaker 1: We are four practices. In my opinion, hasn't changed. Even

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Speaker 1: with the calf injury suffered early by Joe Burrow. This

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Speaker 1: is a Super Bowl contender and, without a question, one

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Speaker 1: of the best rosters in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: I agree, it's got it does have roster depth. Now,

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Speaker 4: are they light years better with Joe Burrow at the

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Speaker 4: quarterback position? No question, no question? Uh And I you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm crossing everything that he's back even before the regular

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Speaker 4: season opener, you know, not just for a couple of

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Speaker 4: practices before the regular season opener, back to actually getting

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Speaker 4: some good work, because I mean, he worked so hard

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Speaker 4: in the offseason and like Zach said, he got more

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Speaker 4: July snaps than he's ever had as a Bengal. So

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Speaker 4: now if he's only off a short period of time,

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Speaker 4: he can kind of pick up easier from where he

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Speaker 4: left off, get some good reps for a week, a

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Speaker 4: week and a half against you know, his teammates, and

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Speaker 4: hone in and get ready for the Cleveland Browns, because man,

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Speaker 4: I went up to Cleveland and playing Baltimore and Cincinnati,

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Speaker 4: and that's no easy path, you know, and those could

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Speaker 4: both be barn Burners, and you need Joe borrowed his

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Speaker 8: It means everything to me. It means a lot. It

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Speaker 8: It always has been always. I'm indebted to these to

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Speaker 8: And being able to have our roots here is and

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