Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: All about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all
Speaker 2: about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride.
Speaker 2: And our comic girl cheered for the right teams drama Queens,
Speaker 2: Jolie's Girl of Girl Fashion, but your tough girl.
Speaker 3: You could sit with us.
Speaker 4: Girl Drama Queens, Drama, Queens, Drama, Queens, Drama Drama, Queens,
Speaker 4: Drama Queens.
Speaker 5: Where are you?
Speaker 2: Rob?
Speaker 5: Funny story Joy. I am at a hotel in my
Speaker 5: hometown and I just had a very funny realization. There's
Speaker 5: a lot going on at the house this morning, so
Speaker 5: I figured I should duck out some place that I
Speaker 5: knew I could actually get some quiet. And it just
Speaker 5: dawned on me that I showed up to this hotel
Speaker 5: and jim clothes with a backpack and a stupid ear
Speaker 5: to ear grin because I was so excited to do
Speaker 5: this right. And I go to check in and she's like,
Speaker 5: I'm not seeing your thing. I said, oh, it was
Speaker 5: actually for last time. I'm only going to be here
Speaker 5: for a couple hours, and she's like, oh okay, and
Speaker 5: and I'm getting I'm like looking at my watch and
Speaker 5: she's like Okay, here's you room like great great things
Speaker 5: thing Cia, and I thought I didn't crea. I'll tell
Speaker 5: her that she for sure thinks I'm having an affair.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Oh for sure.
Speaker 5: I have a wedding ring. I'm wearing gym. I look
Speaker 5: like a guy who was like, honey, I'm going to
Speaker 5: the gym and then, oh my god, a doubt to
Speaker 5: the hotel in his hometown for an hour and a half.
Speaker 5: Why would I admit that? I mean, I guess because
Speaker 5: checkouts at noon. But so for sure, this hotel staff
Speaker 5: right now thinks that I'm the guy having an affair. Amazing.
Speaker 1: I think he should just keep it going, just confused.
Speaker 1: It gives everybody something to talk about.
Speaker 5: Guys, I'm just a boy with a podcast. I'm not
Speaker 5: having an affair.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: God is the perfect way to kick off this episode.
Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Well, hey everyone, the drama Queens. We have
Speaker 1: season seven, episode three, Hold my hand as I'm Lowered.
Speaker 1: Air date September twenty eight, two thousand and nine. Hey, Sophia,
Speaker 1: you want to read the synopsis?
Speaker 3: I sure do. Joy the synopsis of this episode, Ladies
Speaker 3: and Gentlemen, is Clay and Nathan disagree on how to
Speaker 3: handle an ever worsening scandal, and Haley begins to wonder
Speaker 3: if Rene's accusations have merit. Quinn and Brooke organize a
Speaker 3: photo shoot, and Mouth ups the stakes in his battle
Speaker 3: with Skills. Meanwhile, Alex makes Julian an interesting proposition. And
Speaker 3: of course this episode was directed by Liz Friedlander. She's
Speaker 3: just so great pace.
Speaker 4: So before we get started, I have to tell you guys,
Speaker 4: for all you friends out there, I am in Cooperstown,
Speaker 4: New York, because my nephew is playing in the Cooperstown Tournament.
Speaker 4: If you don't know much.
Speaker 3: About baseball, it's it's like a little league.
Speaker 4: Twelve year olds get chosen from their teams, get chosen
Speaker 4: from all over the country and selected to come like
Speaker 4: the best of the best all over the country. They
Speaker 4: come play as ninety five teams and then they all
Speaker 4: play all week and whittle it down into the final
Speaker 4: two and then there's a championship. So it's very exciting.
Speaker 4: So I'm here the whole family in the woods to
Speaker 4: watch my nephew play baseball. And we were all piled
Speaker 4: on top of each other and there's a lake and
Speaker 4: the kids and it's all been really fun. And that's
Speaker 4: all to tell you that I did not watch the
Speaker 4: episode himself.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 3: Gasp, you guys are gonna have to tell me what happened.
Speaker 3: I was like, where are we going with this? I
Speaker 3: love the setting, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, So I am now going to be the
Speaker 1: fan who is listening to the episode like I didn't.
Speaker 4: I don't remember this, so what is it that's going on?
Speaker 4: So you're going to have to fill me in a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 5: Fortunately for you, I think soph and I are overachievers,
Speaker 5: and I'm pretty sure I don't want to speak for you,
Speaker 5: so if I think it's safe to assume you as
Speaker 5: well took copious notes and sure did. We can cliff
Speaker 5: notes this in our.
Speaker 4: Excellent excellent so so that this is the first time
Speaker 4: in the history of our drama Queens where I have
Speaker 4: not watched the episode. But I apologize, and uh, super
Speaker 4: appreciative for the way that you guys show up and uh,
Speaker 4: we'll fill in the.
Speaker 3: Place for me.
Speaker 5: I appreciate your honesty because I actually was wondering this
Speaker 5: the other day. I thought, I wonder if there's ever
Speaker 5: been a time where one of them hasn't watched the episode,
Speaker 5: And then I thought if I was that spot, would
Speaker 5: I come out and just be honest and lead with it,
Speaker 5: or would I play that game of yeah no, yeah,
Speaker 5: just yes, ending everything and to see if I could
Speaker 5: like sneak by, So way to be brave, Joy, way
Speaker 5: to be honest, to try to.
Speaker 3: Be realal So, somebody start because it can't be met.
Speaker 5: So we open on a French cafe and a little
Speaker 5: boy doing a yo yo a catwalk spot and I'm kidding,
Speaker 5: So where do we start?
Speaker 3: We actually open on you Joy. The first shot of
Speaker 3: the episode is Haley looking through the sonogram image and
Speaker 3: the photos of Nathan and Renee at that party, half
Speaker 3: of which Clay is in the background of which was
Speaker 3: a nice little touch on behalf of set deck.
Speaker 4: So Haley knows and this is gonna this is gonna
Speaker 4: get real.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do we know what James or what Nathan told her
Speaker 4: like was it is? Is he sticking to his story right,
Speaker 4: like it's all the same thing that he's told Clay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. He's adamant that he hasn't done it,
Speaker 5: which is great because then he's constantly infuriated that we're
Speaker 5: even entertaining any options of paying this woman off. She's
Speaker 5: asked for two hundred thousand dollars to go away. You
Speaker 5: are incensed by that, rightfully, So so that's kind of
Speaker 5: where you are at. And then I don't want to
Speaker 5: get ahead of it, but yeah, it leads to sort
Speaker 5: of a butting of heads between Clay and Hayley because
Speaker 5: that in fact, this is the scene Joy, when I
Speaker 5: was telling you my first memory of this show is
Speaker 5: you screaming at me on a on an outdoor patio set,
Speaker 5: it was this episode. It's when you show up to
Speaker 5: Clay's beach house and you're basically laying into me, saying like,
Speaker 5: what are you do? How dare you? Yeah, he didn't
Speaker 5: do it? Why would you let this happen? And yeah,
Speaker 5: it's a great scene, and it also we're jumping ahead
Speaker 5: a bit, but I'm curious of you if you know,
Speaker 5: it's the same thing. We reconcile that scene a few
Speaker 5: a little bit later where I come down the peer
Speaker 5: and talk to you, and I end it with an
Speaker 5: extraordinarily awkward, questionable choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah you.
Speaker 5: Should we just talk about it right now, get into it. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: so you lay into me. Clay has a fair counter argument,
Speaker 5: which is this is Nathan's dream. He's worked incredibly hard
Speaker 5: for it. It's a contract year. This could really make
Speaker 5: everything go sideways, so this might be a worthwhile investment.
Speaker 5: It's one commercial and if it helps him get his deal,
Speaker 5: it saves the big picture dream which you hear but
Speaker 5: is also of course infuriating. You walk away from my
Speaker 5: house down like down the pier, and I come meet
Speaker 5: up with you, and it's a bit calmer heads prevail
Speaker 5: situation where I'm like, I hate this too. It just
Speaker 5: seems like the smarter play. You're like, okay, we come
Speaker 5: to an agreement, and then Clay slash me made the
Speaker 5: choice to go ahead and put a arm around you.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 5: The only thing I could think in my head was
Speaker 5: maybe I was trying to subtly tell the story that
Speaker 5: we have now known each other a while and we've
Speaker 5: grown close.
Speaker 4: Okay, that seems reasonable.
Speaker 5: That said, I still though, put the arm around you,
Speaker 5: and at the very end go back, viewers, you can
Speaker 5: see I kind of give you the little thumb rub
Speaker 5: on the shoulder like you do with the kid or
Speaker 5: a loved one, and I just felt like the combo
Speaker 5: of the two it just was enough for me to go,
Speaker 5: come on, Clay.
Speaker 3: What's also hilarious to me is that the choice is
Speaker 3: made after the two of you have been arguing up
Speaker 3: on the porch and Haley is literally like, but you
Speaker 3: know what it looks like? Like you know how bad
Speaker 3: this looks even though he's a good guy, And Clay's
Speaker 3: argument is he's a grown man, and you go, so
Speaker 3: are you act like it? It's like such a great
Speaker 3: And then I'm like, anyone who took a photo of
Speaker 3: Clay and Haley on that peer from a distance when
Speaker 3: he puts his arm around her and she leans you
Speaker 3: do you lean your head back? And then I'm like,
Speaker 3: it looks like do people on a date? It looks bad?
Speaker 3: Didn't we just cover this scandal all around? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I don't know, though, I think you're absolutely right, Rob,
Speaker 4: I think that was super intentional. We wanted to create
Speaker 4: the sense of familiarity that you've been around for a
Speaker 4: long time, because we definitely you know, I feel like,
Speaker 4: especially at the beginning of this season with new characters,
Speaker 4: there's this sense of kind of overcompensation maybe of like
Speaker 4: we're just working really hard to make the audience believe
Speaker 4: it and not just trusting. But also that seems totally
Speaker 4: reasonable if you have been around for a long time.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, do I like do I
Speaker 4: let my friend? It's not like you're married. I guess
Speaker 4: if it was like my friend's husband, it might be
Speaker 4: a little more uncomfortable. But you're a single guy, but
Speaker 4: I'm married.
Speaker 5: I don't know. Also, we've never seen Clay hug you yet.
Speaker 5: We've seen us interact in scenes, and we haven't been
Speaker 5: physically affectionate. So it was just odd that as soap
Speaker 5: was saying, on the heels of a conversation of appearances, yeah,
Speaker 5: that on the heels. This was the time. This was
Speaker 5: a moment where I felt, yeah, you're right. I understand
Speaker 5: us as actors making that mistake because we're in this bubble,
Speaker 5: in this moment, trying to create this world. This is
Speaker 5: the job of someone behind the monitor who's just watching
Speaker 5: it on the square. Needs to go. Nah, the optics,
Speaker 5: the optics look a little weird. Guys.
Speaker 4: That's tough for a visiting director to come in. And
Speaker 4: I mean, Liz had been in and out of the show, but.
Speaker 3: That's that's a tough job because.
Speaker 4: She doesn't know what's coming, and she only has the
Speaker 4: information that she's been given from the previous episodes. But
Speaker 4: there's so much a little time in prep that it's
Speaker 4: not like visiting directors have time to just read all
Speaker 4: the previous scripts of the last four episodes and then
Speaker 4: make sure they they can't even see the edit, because
Speaker 4: the edit's usually not done by the time they start prep.
Speaker 3: That's hard. It's hard to be able to put.
Speaker 4: Every little thing in context when you're just dropping in
Speaker 4: for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I will say the first pass of it,
Speaker 3: I was like it's sibling e and then it just
Speaker 3: made me giggle thinking about like what the long lens
Speaker 3: paparazzi photo of it would look like. But I also
Speaker 3: get that other point, you know that if you've got
Speaker 3: a director visiting who says, well, what's the relationship between
Speaker 3: your characters, and it's like he's like a brother to me,
Speaker 3: he's my husband's agent, and then they go yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: So I don't know, don't know how it.
Speaker 4: Would have been a smart pr move to have a
Speaker 4: paparazzi on a long lens take that photo, and then
Speaker 4: that also would get leaked and then it's like ooh,
Speaker 4: everybody thinks it's lots of scandal. But then if you
Speaker 4: find out that the thing with Clay and Haley is
Speaker 4: just really nothing and he's just consoling her and they're
Speaker 4: being friendly, then maybe the public would be less likely
Speaker 4: to believe the thing about the other woman too, And
Speaker 4: they just throw all the baby out with the bathwater
Speaker 4: and the whole thing gets thrown in the wash. Maybe
Speaker 4: that's what a crisis comes.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm like, well, that's dark.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that wasn't me taking a swipe at Liz.
Speaker 5: That was more just that thing of the like sometimes
Speaker 5: you don't know when you're the actor and the scene
Speaker 5: just with the outside appearance of it, you know, looks like.
Speaker 3: Well, and that's when you really hope one to your point,
Speaker 3: one of our producers, like who watches every day, is
Speaker 3: actually on set for that scene and they can go,
Speaker 3: I get what you're going for, but it looks a
Speaker 3: little weird. No, exactly.
Speaker 4: It is the job of the people who are their
Speaker 4: long term to be able to jump in and fill
Speaker 4: in those blind spots, because a visiting director only has
Speaker 4: so much capacity. So it really does depend on that.
Speaker 4: So maybe somebody dropped the ball, I don't know, or
Speaker 4: maybe it worked, fans, I don't know what do you
Speaker 4: guys think?
Speaker 3: Did it work?
Speaker 4: Did it make you feel endeared to Clay?
Speaker 5: Yes, let us know. I'm actually so curious. Please let
Speaker 5: us know if you thought it was creepy or sweet?
Speaker 3: Yeah, brother, Lee or mah, because.
Speaker 5: I think actually, now that you say that, Joy, I
Speaker 5: do think we were trying to go for a very
Speaker 5: familial brother sister thing. So let us know, fans. Was
Speaker 5: it creepy brother or sweet brother?
Speaker 4: I feel like creepy or sweet could be a really
Speaker 4: fun thing to do at the end of episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, lit' stop like a carnival game.
Speaker 5: Listen, this episode was This might just be every episode again.
Speaker 5: I'm coming. I'm basically watching the series fresh as a
Speaker 5: new viewer, but I've an all three episodes so far.
Speaker 5: I've walked away going this was juicy. Yeah, Like there's
Speaker 5: there is not a shortage of good content to really
Speaker 5: get into. I mean this one, this one starts off
Speaker 5: hot and kind of stays that way. Is that just
Speaker 5: every episode of this show is? This is why the
Speaker 5: show is what it is.
Speaker 4: Not every episode everything. No, there's some filler space episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but this one was fun and I think Liz
Speaker 3: gave us a great indicator that it would be right
Speaker 3: from the jump because all of the opening scenes happen
Speaker 3: so fast, and there's so much movement and you know,
Speaker 3: tension and humor and whether it's this low moment for
Speaker 3: Haley or the you know comedy of like Brooke and
Speaker 3: Julian and then Skills, you know, getting naked and getting
Speaker 3: scared and then Alex having been out all night in
Speaker 3: the shower gag like it's flying at you so fast,
Speaker 3: and each thing is juicy, like each each little beat
Speaker 3: has a detail to it that we haven't really either
Speaker 3: seen before or that we know we want to see
Speaker 3: more of per Skills and Mouth.
Speaker 5: And speaking of Brook and Julian, shout out to Austin
Speaker 5: for being the sacrificial lamb in that opening vignette where
Speaker 5: he is wildly gratuitously and unnecessarily just shaving in his underwear.
Speaker 5: It was like, oh, yeah, okay, And a part of
Speaker 5: it was like, sorry, buddy, I didn't take my shirt
Speaker 5: off last episodes that went down on you. You're the
Speaker 5: team player apparently. Yeah. Brooke just walks by Julian, she
Speaker 5: says something and he's just standing in his boxer briefs
Speaker 5: shaving and is like, okay, he could have been doing
Speaker 5: literally anything and they're like, nah.
Speaker 1: They fill their quota. Is this the time in the
Speaker 1: show where other we were It was switched over to
Speaker 1: CW by then, because you know, we started out on
Speaker 1: the WB and then there was that merge with UPN
Speaker 1: and CW where they created CW.
Speaker 4: Was this the point where we were officially competing with
Speaker 4: the OC and Gossip Girl and all those shows where
Speaker 4: it was so much, so much gratuitous whatever, like sex,
Speaker 4: sex everywhere. They just wanted to make sure that you
Speaker 4: guys had your shirts off on the beach. They wanted
Speaker 4: to make sure that somebody is naked in every episode.
Speaker 3: They sure seem to. But let me tell you what
Speaker 3: I had two thoughts when that scene hit. First was
Speaker 3: thanks Austin for being the sacrificial lamb so I didn't
Speaker 3: have to do it. And also, good for you, sir,
Speaker 3: Like Austin was surfing every weekend. He looks so good,
Speaker 3: and I was like, someday, you're actually going to love
Speaker 3: that you have this. I hated when people used to
Speaker 3: say that to me. We were in our twenties and
Speaker 3: they'd be like, someday you'll be thrilled. You knew you
Speaker 3: looked like this, but I was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: that's going to be nice for you to have someday. Congratulations,
Speaker 3: my friend, you look great.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I recently worked with a director who did an
Speaker 5: episode of our show, and I was asking him, oh,
Speaker 5: what did you do? And it was during the time
Speaker 5: when Julian was just sort of being introduced, and he
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, it was when they were introducing you know,
Speaker 5: Austin as the new sex pylon. What. I had never
Speaker 5: heard the term sex pilon, but I have to say,
Speaker 5: when I was watching that vinet and he's just standing
Speaker 5: there looking amazing, I thought, you know, it's not it's
Speaker 5: a bit objectifying, but sex pilon, that's you fits.
Speaker 3: It tracks, Yeah, it tracks, by the way, I rob,
Speaker 3: I know you didn't take your shirt off in the
Speaker 3: last episode, but I do not want you to feel
Speaker 3: left out. And since we did start on the Clay
Speaker 3: and Haley of it all, I literally have in my
Speaker 3: notes when you guys get out for that beat on
Speaker 3: the pier where you're like really being like, but this
Speaker 3: is the thing and we might have to do it,
Speaker 3: and it's like the notes about this scene and then
Speaker 3: in all caps, Rob has beautiful skin. Oh, Like, I
Speaker 3: literally made a note. I was like, sir, do you
Speaker 3: like the close up? You have no pores? Also, congratulations
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 5: Wow, thank you. Yeah. I think by the way I
Speaker 5: have it in here somewhere this, I think this is
Speaker 5: the episode. So when I first got on, there was
Speaker 5: a worry that I wasn't quite old enough for the
Speaker 5: role and I looked a little baby faced for it
Speaker 5: and for what they wanted me to be doing. And
Speaker 5: so of course their Hollywood solution was grow some stubble.
Speaker 5: And at this time, I mean, you've seen the extent
Speaker 5: of my stubble at the time, and I think this
Speaker 5: was the episode where we just went let's just go
Speaker 5: clean shaven. Like I remember, it wasn't comfortable for me,
Speaker 5: and by that point they had seen enough dailies to
Speaker 5: go you just you still look like a baby faced
Speaker 5: kid with just a little bit of stubble. So there's
Speaker 5: a scene h later on. Yeah, it's actually the scene
Speaker 5: with Joy where I put my arm around her where
Speaker 5: if you notice, all of a sudden, clays clean shaven.
Speaker 5: I think that was the moment on the show where
Speaker 5: they went let's just let's just give up the ruse
Speaker 5: and just go clean shaven.
Speaker 4: So do you stick with that clean shaven for the
Speaker 4: rest of the.
Speaker 5: I believe so please?
Speaker 4: I think so yeah, you do a beautiful skin. You
Speaker 4: should have gotten a campaign off of that show.
Speaker 5: Gosh, let's let's just talk about my skin for the
Speaker 5: next hour. Say more about it now. And one thing
Speaker 5: I thought that was so awesome in this episode is
Speaker 5: all of the Alex Brooke and Milly stuff.
Speaker 3: Tell me all about it.
Speaker 5: Like, so, I just want to start by saying, Janna
Speaker 5: does such an incredible job with this role.
Speaker 3: She is so good.
Speaker 5: She's so good, She's so good. And I think because
Speaker 5: I wasn't doing many scenes that I was just in
Speaker 5: the dark about it. But you know, one thing I
Speaker 5: love about a character is when it's hard to make
Speaker 5: a decision on who they are, Like I like a
Speaker 5: bad guy with some humanity, I like a good person
Speaker 5: with some flaws. And what's so great is there's a
Speaker 5: couple moments in this because she is so over the top,
Speaker 5: just dumpster fire, dumb, self absorbed, and then she has
Speaker 5: these moments of sincerity or self awareness that so she's hilarious.
Speaker 5: Episode just getting ahead of it but there's also amazing
Speaker 5: cameo by our artist Tim who plays her makeup artist
Speaker 5: at the chute, And there's a moment where she's on
Speaker 5: the at the shoot and she says it's her and
Speaker 5: Milly and Tim is doing her touch ups and she says,
Speaker 5: how do I look? And Tim goes ahead and answers
Speaker 5: and he goes fabulous, and without skipping a beat, she goes,
Speaker 5: I didn't ask for the help. I didn't ask the help, Millie,
Speaker 5: how do I look? And Milly goes, why are you
Speaker 5: asking me? And she goes, because you're the only one
Speaker 5: who's honest with me here, And it was that great
Speaker 5: moment of oh, but you're you're also smart enough to
Speaker 5: see what's going on. Yeah, And then there's some stuff
Speaker 5: later in the episode, but so talk about that because
Speaker 5: your stuff with her, I mean, when you try to
Speaker 5: get the dog out of or excuse me. She comes
Speaker 5: in and tries to slam a pill when she's lagged
Speaker 5: and hung over for the shoot, and she announces to everyone,
Speaker 5: I just need a pill, and she puts a pill
Speaker 5: in her mouth. Sof does a bit where she runs
Speaker 5: over and tries to get the pill out of her mouth.
Speaker 5: Exactly the the way you would a dog. It is
Speaker 5: so funny.
Speaker 3: It was so fun I'm seeing it in my mind.
Speaker 3: I can totally picture this. Oh my god, it's so
Speaker 3: I mean, Jana is so funny. I am. I'm relishing
Speaker 3: and watching her as a viewer and not as a
Speaker 3: scene partner, because as a scene partner I had to
Speaker 3: be irritated all the time, which was hard because she's
Speaker 3: so fucking funny. And now I'm just getting to laugh.
Speaker 3: But I forgot what happened in that scene. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, she puts a pill in her mouth and
Speaker 3: I grab her face like this so she can't close
Speaker 3: her lips and literally just dump her head over like
Speaker 3: from the back of the neck. I grab her by
Speaker 3: the back of the neck. It's I yelped. It made
Speaker 3: me laugh so hard, genius, it's just so good. And
Speaker 3: Millie catches the pill rather than mountain.
Speaker 5: The whole thing.
Speaker 3: It's it's just like parental gone sideways, and it's so
Speaker 3: it's so funny, and I think it is so hilarious
Speaker 3: because of how hard Jana commits and then we just
Speaker 3: have to react around her, and it's it's perfect.
Speaker 4: She does commit all the time and I agree with you, Rob,
Speaker 4: It's so interesting to watch a character that keeps you
Speaker 4: on your toes. It's the it's the same, it's a
Speaker 4: Gene Wilder thing with at the beginning of Willy Wonka
Speaker 4: and the Cane, right where he comes out, and it's
Speaker 4: just like the you think he's one thing and then
Speaker 4: he flips over and reveals himself to be someone that
Speaker 4: you never quite know what's really going on. And I
Speaker 4: love that. I don't know that we have another character
Speaker 4: on the show like that, Like Dan, you always really
Speaker 4: know at the baseline what's actually going on, no matter
Speaker 4: what he's putting up.
Speaker 3: But I like this. I like this the.
Speaker 4: Introduction of a character that's so complex and she's got
Speaker 4: so many different layers.
Speaker 3: Janna manages to play her in this way where she
Speaker 3: leans into everything horrible so much, but there's release something
Speaker 3: under there, like she's Alex is the kind of character
Speaker 3: that drives you crazy, but something in you likes her.
Speaker 3: And I made a note. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I'm having the joy experience when I when we get
Speaker 3: to the end of the episode and I'm watching like
Speaker 3: the genuine flirtation between Alex and Julian I hate it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I hate that. Oh I really don't like.
Speaker 5: That at all.
Speaker 3: Wow, oh my god. I remember when Joy said this
Speaker 3: about Haley not liking seeing Nathan with somebody because you yeah.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, well, I guess maybe that's
Speaker 3: part of how you know as an actor that you're
Speaker 3: in the right like endgame relationship, because I was like,
Speaker 3: oh no, I hate this part. Like Julian is Brooks person,
Speaker 3: ma'am go.
Speaker 4: Away, yeah, excuse me, ma'am yeah bye.
Speaker 3: But like they're so good and so likable. Then I'm
Speaker 3: watching it going, well, of course he likes her. Look
Speaker 3: at her. How could you not like her? She's so
Speaker 3: funny and horrible but great.
Speaker 5: And then what they did that was so smart? Was
Speaker 5: it because it wasn't just about a physical thing it
Speaker 5: would have it would have really kind of put Julian
Speaker 5: in a bad light if it was just a pretty
Speaker 5: girl flirting with him and him entertaining it. What it
Speaker 5: actually becomes is she shows up at at Brooke and
Speaker 5: Julian's place with a script.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: She's like, I know you think I'm dumb. I am,
Speaker 5: but I also know what I'm doing and this is
Speaker 5: a good script and you're a producer and you should
Speaker 5: read it so and then then it's like, Okay, he's
Speaker 5: not It's not just that he's chasing the next pretty thing.
Speaker 5: There's actually something here that he finds intriguing and there
Speaker 5: might be a business. It was just a It was
Speaker 5: a great way to sort of allow what happened to
Speaker 5: happen without it being like, is he not the guy
Speaker 5: we thought he was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's endeared to her because she is smart.
Speaker 3: And it's rooted in the purpose he feels like he's lacking.
Speaker 3: She pushes his buttons early in the episode Joy and
Speaker 3: asks why he's not doing that movie in New Zealand,
Speaker 3: and he said he was looking for something else, And
Speaker 3: it later comes back around where she essentially says, oh
Speaker 3: you you thought I meant something else could be me. No,
Speaker 3: it's this script I have for you. And so she's
Speaker 3: meeting him in this space of like loss and lack
Speaker 3: with you know, purpose, maybe his next creative thing. And
Speaker 3: so there's like a passion to bond over not just
Speaker 3: an energy.
Speaker 5: Yes, and she allows that that moment to happen, which
Speaker 5: is great, your business savvy, You're not just a one
Speaker 5: note terrible person. And then literally in the same breath, goes, Actually,
Speaker 5: another boy's having me tonight, but I can come by
Speaker 5: afterwards if you want. So it was like she earned
Speaker 5: a moment and then was like, but I'm Alex so.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, but I love that. That's what keeps me giggling.
Speaker 3: And then I'm like, just when I felt something about
Speaker 3: this energy, now I want to punch her all over again.
Speaker 4: Great, I appreciate how complex she is.
Speaker 5: Hey, random sidebar love Gene Wilder, did you know that
Speaker 5: he told the director of Willy Wonka that was that
Speaker 5: that whole move where he walks with the cane and
Speaker 5: then rolls and jumps up that wasn't in the script.
Speaker 5: That was Jean's idea. And he said, I'm not doing
Speaker 5: the movie if we're not doing it. And then director said,
Speaker 5: are you are you serious? Why? And he said, because
Speaker 5: it sets up the entire movie that if I do that,
Speaker 5: from that point on, you won't know what's real and
Speaker 5: what's make believe. Isn't that a genius?
Speaker 3: I mean, so genius, so smart? Incredible.
Speaker 5: Yeah, speaking of smart, let's talk about Rachel. Because Rachel
Speaker 5: and Dan's story unfolding this episode I thought was told
Speaker 5: so incredibly well, it was so interesting the shot of
Speaker 5: when when Rachel reveals that she was the one, so
Speaker 5: this sorry joy. This is when Paul is doing his show.
Speaker 5: Excuse me. Dan's doing a show and a man stands
Speaker 5: up midshow and is like murder, murder. Oh he catches
Speaker 5: him off guard, but they roll and Rachel says, roll
Speaker 5: the cameras. Then they come back to it after and
Speaker 5: when it's after the show and Rachel walks up and
Speaker 5: Dan says like, I'm sorry, and she's like, don't be.
Speaker 5: I planned that. There's this great moment. So first of all,
Speaker 5: you realize she is just so business savvy. Also like
Speaker 5: does she care about him or is it business? But
Speaker 5: then isn't this end that's seen great? So if I
Speaker 5: thought Liz did such a good job where it has raped,
Speaker 5: the shot has watches Rachel walk off stage but she
Speaker 5: literally it's just her silhouette and she walks into darkness
Speaker 5: and just fades to black.
Speaker 3: It was so well lit. That got me, and and
Speaker 3: what I loved about their story is you see you
Speaker 3: see her power as you know, his business partner and wife,
Speaker 3: and he does that he'll be like my producer who's
Speaker 3: also my wife. Is how he brings her on stage.
Speaker 3: In this episode, it just was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: you see not just her in the moment, you get
Speaker 3: the flashbacks and you see it go back, so you
Speaker 3: see when they meet, because when he brings her up,
Speaker 3: they start doing this whole storytelling about like, oh, and
Speaker 3: when we met, we wanted the same thing and it
Speaker 3: was so chaste and like he's wasted in a strip
Speaker 3: club and she recognizes him and is performing and you know,
Speaker 3: you have all these scenes of them in this motel
Speaker 3: and he's drinking himself to death and he's reading all
Speaker 3: these self help books and she's kind of going at
Speaker 3: him about what a lazy, you know, way that is
Speaker 3: to try to fix yourself, and then he says something
Speaker 3: and she realizes like, oh, that's a self help book,
Speaker 3: and immediately she makes him stop quit drinking. She's like,
Speaker 3: don't drink that I need you. Do you want to
Speaker 3: get out of here? And I was like, I'm obsessed
Speaker 3: with her.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Wiley, this show is very good at at not
Speaker 5: letting you figure people out right away, or just giving
Speaker 5: multi layered portrayals of people. Because that whole flashback storytelling
Speaker 5: starts with her in a strip club and so you're like, Okay,
Speaker 5: she's the hot girl as a stripper, now whatever, and
Speaker 5: then yeat like so if was saying, it ends with
Speaker 5: her being smart enough to realize there's an amazing business
Speaker 5: opportunity here where we can both get out of this rut.
Speaker 5: And there's also the way that the storytelling and the
Speaker 5: way it shot is so great because they finish having
Speaker 5: sex and they roll off each other and she says,
Speaker 5: not bad for a guy with a bad heart, and
Speaker 5: he says, why don't you stay the night and see
Speaker 5: if you can kill me? And she says that'll be expensive,
Speaker 5: and he says that's okay, I'm rich and I'm dying.
Speaker 5: And then it cuts to them in the present day
Speaker 5: on stage, being sweet and polished, and she's like, he
Speaker 5: had everything I wanted and he's like, and so did you.
Speaker 5: And I thought that was such a great moment of
Speaker 5: sort of like exposing how much hypocrisy, see there is
Speaker 5: in terms of like how people portray their lives to
Speaker 5: be versus what it actually is, you know. And they
Speaker 5: did such a good job with their stuff.
Speaker 3: It was great, and they're so subtle together, and you
Speaker 3: watch and I think that's where you see Paul and
Speaker 3: Neil a bit because they're both so smart, and you
Speaker 3: watch in these quiet moments with Dan and Rachel, they're
Speaker 3: having this real tete a tet. You see their sort
Speaker 3: of reactions and looks communicating with each other before they speak,
Speaker 3: and it's so refreshing because you know that when they're
Speaker 3: on the talk show set, they're performing, but when you
Speaker 3: get to see underneath when they're not, like it actually
Speaker 3: made me such a fan of them as a unit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and getting to see again that he's so sweet
Speaker 5: and soft with her. You know, he's so charismatic on camera,
Speaker 5: but then he kind of becomes a little boyish around her,
Speaker 5: you know. And so again it's that it's not making
Speaker 5: it easy to figure him out.
Speaker 4: Is it really still drawing out the mystery that we
Speaker 4: were discussing last time of seeing him with his God Rob.
Speaker 4: I meant to mention it last time you use this
Speaker 4: phrase the man experiencing homelessness instead of saying a homeless man.
Speaker 4: I just thought that was such a lovely phrase. But yeah,
Speaker 4: so he was, you know, sitting down with that man,
Speaker 4: and we were talking about how it seems there's this
Speaker 4: ambiguity of like, where is he is he actually trying
Speaker 4: to change is Does this episode continue that question or
Speaker 4: is it more clear that it's like, no, he's definitely
Speaker 4: a full hypocrite and this is all a ruse.
Speaker 5: I think No, I think it's still very much telling
Speaker 5: a story where this could be the new Dan because
Speaker 5: what they're showing in this story part of it is
Speaker 5: he was a guy at rock bottom who wanted to die,
Speaker 5: and now he seems to be a man with purpose.
Speaker 5: So up until this point you can be suspect of
Speaker 5: her because her trajectory does seem quite opportunistic, as his
Speaker 5: seems genuine.
Speaker 3: And she's not.
Speaker 4: Being forthright that she used to be a hook, well,
Speaker 4: a stripper. I guess if she's charging him, then she's
Speaker 4: a prostitute also. But like she's not being forthright that
Speaker 4: this is where I used to be and now I'm
Speaker 4: in it. I've recovered from the position that I was
Speaker 4: in before.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: So is it like we're hiding this or she's being
Speaker 4: open about it?
Speaker 5: No? No, because when we first when he we first
Speaker 5: see him on the talk show, he says, my wife
Speaker 5: used to drink and sleep around, like.
Speaker 3: Drugs and all the things.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah, that when he first I remember hearing
Speaker 5: for the first time going, buddy, you are roasting your
Speaker 5: wife and we need to be this honest. But no,
Speaker 5: so they to their credit, they've been pretty forthright with yeah, work,
Speaker 5: we came from a pretty unhappy place. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're being forthright about their first date night, yes, right,
Speaker 3: but they are very open about who they used to be.
Speaker 3: You know, the sort of stereotype of the broken person
Speaker 3: I used to be seems to really be.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Thing we shall see. I want to know what
Speaker 4: happened with the mouth and skills.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 5: First of all, one of my very first notes is
Speaker 5: I love the pickle that we have found Mouth in
Speaker 5: because what it opens with him at the news station
Speaker 5: and his station manager coming up and going, hey, your
Speaker 5: buddy is Nathan Scott. Oh yeah, old buddy's great. He
Speaker 5: went into a restaurant flipped out on a woman the
Speaker 5: other day and can you look into it? And it's
Speaker 5: then he then he meets up with Nathan that river
Speaker 5: court and has to ask him. But what's what I
Speaker 5: loved about it. Mouth is such a big heart man.
Speaker 5: He's such a good friend because he asked Nathan and
Speaker 5: he doesn't ask if it's true. First, the first thing
Speaker 5: he says was I'm so sorry, man, yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: and he ends the conversation with Nathan says, what are
Speaker 5: you going to do and he says nothing, let me
Speaker 5: know if you need anything. I thought, oh, man, that's
Speaker 5: a buddy. He's got his back, you know. And then,
Speaker 5: to Nathan's credit, because he knows that the situation that
Speaker 5: mouth is in. After mouth says that and starts to
Speaker 5: walk away, he stops me and goes, hey, you do
Speaker 5: what you gotta do. You have the job to do
Speaker 5: if you have to report your report, you know. And
Speaker 5: I thought that was there was so much respect shown
Speaker 5: between the two.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's tough, right, yeah.
Speaker 5: Because what do you do. It's like you always of
Speaker 5: course you want to believe the best in your friends,
Speaker 5: but then you have to sort of entertain an alligator.
Speaker 5: I thought. I thought it actually was kind of quite
Speaker 5: timely with sort of everything that has happened with me
Speaker 5: too and everything in the past, where I thought, oh,
Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, how do you reconcile if someone you
Speaker 5: love has done something you know that you don't agree
Speaker 5: with or that is just straight up bad, you know,
Speaker 5: And OH thought, oh my godsh So when it's the
Speaker 5: episode started, I thought, oh, I can't wait to watch
Speaker 5: you walk this line. Buddy, Wow, I love that.
Speaker 4: I love Nathan just giving him the permission to do
Speaker 4: his job. Be like, it's not going to affect our friendship.
Speaker 4: I know you have a job to do. I know
Speaker 4: you're not going to do something salacious and try and
Speaker 4: do a hit piece on me or hurt me. Like,
Speaker 4: but I also understand the position you're in and it's
Speaker 4: a small town like you have to report what you report.
Speaker 4: I'm WHOA, that's tough, but that's that's a lot of
Speaker 4: that's a lot of honor and courage.
Speaker 5: Stand up guy, a boss move, because if he knows
Speaker 5: he's innocent, then why not weah Yeah, it's sort of
Speaker 5: this conviction that he's like, I know how the story in,
Speaker 5: so you do what you gotta do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, one way or the other. Eventually a paternity
Speaker 4: test happens and he knows that the information will come out.
Speaker 4: So also that's a real hole in her whole issue,
Speaker 4: Like she's trying to get two hundred thousand dollars, but
Speaker 4: for what, like, wait wait six months and find out.
Speaker 3: Well, or is the goal to get the money before
Speaker 3: you can find out if Renee is really the person
Speaker 3: we're led to believe she is, right, Like, if she's
Speaker 3: the kind of you know, stereotypical, you know, vixen, horrible
Speaker 3: person who would do this to some family. Like, Okay,
Speaker 3: but you know, if so, is the whole idea to
Speaker 3: get paid before you could get an AMNIO or any
Speaker 3: of those other tests.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if she knows that it's not real and
Speaker 4: it's not true, and she knows that he knows, and
Speaker 4: she knows that he knows that she knows, then not
Speaker 4: to make it too complicated, but like, why not just
Speaker 4: wait six months.
Speaker 5: Because I think what she's doing is playing off the
Speaker 5: fact he is in a contract year right now and
Speaker 5: he is trying to get a new deal, and this
Speaker 5: could really hinder his value. I think that's what they're timing. Okay,
Speaker 5: that it's entirely calculated that she knows he's up for
Speaker 5: something right now and this would not help his case
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but also, let's.
Speaker 5: Be honest, it's the NBA that would not hurt him.
Speaker 5: NBA has no problem paying people who do all sorts
Speaker 5: of things, I mean, all professional sports. So it's a
Speaker 5: kind of a altruistic assumption on the NBA's part, But
Speaker 5: I think that's what she's going for, is that she
Speaker 5: knows he's in a time crunch, and so she's just
Speaker 5: trying to capitalize on that. You have a great line
Speaker 5: Joy at the start of this episode where it's when
Speaker 5: you and Nathan are talking about it for the first
Speaker 5: time in the kitchen and you're looking at the party
Speaker 5: pictures of she and Nathan and Clay off to the side,
Speaker 5: and you say, drunken sluts with perfect teeth.
Speaker 3: I wrote that down too.
Speaker 5: I loved it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was also a really good scene because you see
Speaker 3: this smplicity of the situation. Nathan is like, I get
Speaker 3: asked to take pictures all the time, and you are
Speaker 3: explaining that because it's late and she looks the way
Speaker 3: she looks, and his arm is around her and she's
Speaker 3: carrying a cocktail and he's got a beer in his
Speaker 3: other hand, like you know him. You know this is normal,
Speaker 3: and you see but it looks bad and you should
Speaker 3: be smart enough to know that. Yeah, And that's such
Speaker 3: a thing, right, Like in our world, it doesn't always
Speaker 3: matter what's true. It matters what something looks like absolutely.
Speaker 5: And.
Speaker 3: What I loved is that you seem to be clearly
Speaker 3: communicating that you believe him and you know this isn't true.
Speaker 3: But you know that everyone who likes to shot on
Speaker 3: people out there in the world, I mean, hello, look
Speaker 3: at the internet that they're going to go he did it.
Speaker 3: I can tell by that photo, that meaningless photo. I
Speaker 3: see something, and some stranger will side that what didn't
Speaker 3: happen is true and you'll never be able to convince
Speaker 3: them otherwise. Totally, that is so tough.
Speaker 4: That is such a tough road to navigate. I mean
Speaker 4: for everyone in the public eye or anyone in leadership positions,
Speaker 4: like teachers who need to make sure that their doors
Speaker 4: open when they're meeting with a female student. You know,
Speaker 4: to your whatever you're I don't know who you're sitting
Speaker 4: with in a restaurant or what you're posting online. It's
Speaker 4: like there's an element of Okay, I am a human being.
Speaker 4: I get to live my life, and I can't be
Speaker 4: wandering around worrying about everyone and pleasing everyone in everyone's mind.
Speaker 4: Think making sure that everybody knows and sees me the
Speaker 4: correct like I just it's too much. You could never
Speaker 4: But then there's also a tier of responsibility depending on
Speaker 4: the position that you're in. And I don't know that
Speaker 4: those lines are clear cut, but it is an interesting
Speaker 4: topic to explore.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and what's fun about the Mouth dynamic of it
Speaker 5: is he doesn't have the luxury of all of Nathan,
Speaker 5: all the other people in Nathan's lives where he can
Speaker 5: kind of sit back and wait for things to unfold.
Speaker 5: He Yeah, he's a bit in a pressurized situation because
Speaker 5: he's going to be forced to speak on it, speak
Speaker 5: on it in one way or the other publicly, you know.
Speaker 5: So he doesn't get to kind of sit back and go,
Speaker 5: I don't I don't believe it, but let's just see,
Speaker 5: you know, he has to actually come forward and start
Speaker 5: reporting that. So I like that because I was immediately
Speaker 5: stressed out for him. Yeah, I'm like, oh, I don't
Speaker 5: envy this position at all, you know.
Speaker 3: And the way there, the way the days diverge, is
Speaker 3: so interesting because Mouth' day starts off hilarious. You know,
Speaker 3: Skills gets up immediately, drops trow walks out into the
Speaker 3: living room, and then you hear him scream at the
Speaker 3: top of his lungs and you see Mouth walking out, laughing,
Speaker 3: adjusting his tie on his way to work and like
Speaker 3: they're having this fun day, and then he just gets
Speaker 3: slammed sideways. And then the central theme in such separate
Speaker 3: ways for Mouth and for Skills is really about friendship.
Speaker 3: But Mouth is dealing with this crazy thing with Nathan,
Speaker 3: and Skills calls Jamie to help him trap a lizard.
Speaker 3: It's like they could not be having more opposite days.
Speaker 3: But they circle back around together to each other on
Speaker 3: this subject at the end, and hearing them talk about
Speaker 3: their friendship was like even more weighted. I guess for me,
Speaker 3: given what I'd seen Mouth just do with Nathan and their.
Speaker 5: Friendship, Jamie was once again the wise little owl who
Speaker 5: Skills initially calls to come over to help him the iguana,
Speaker 5: and there's a hilarious exchange where Jamie's there and he's like,
Speaker 5: all right, so how much you're gonna give me to
Speaker 5: do it? And he goes all right, and he pulls
Speaker 5: out like twenty bucks from his pocket and he goes cool.
Speaker 5: He says something like this is catching cat catching a mouse.
Speaker 5: That's catching a mouse, and so he starts he's he's
Speaker 5: bargaining up Skills. The Skills is like Colma has to
Speaker 5: give him all the money in his pocket, and he's like,
Speaker 5: now I can catch a dragon. This is he says,
Speaker 5: that's something like this isn't small dragon money or something.
Speaker 5: But what it ends up becoming is then skills sort
Speaker 5: of downloading the situation with mouth to Jamie, and again
Speaker 5: Jamie just being a child, he just sort of says
Speaker 5: what's obvious, what's simple, and what's honest, and skills you know,
Speaker 5: sort of tells him what's going on. And he Jamie Skills, like,
Speaker 5: why what did he say when you said that? And
Speaker 5: he's like, oh, I guess I haven't said any of that.
Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, dumb, dumb, tell him, tell him how
Speaker 5: you feel basically, you know, talk to your friend. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it talks to your friend, right, But again, it's just funny.
Speaker 5: It's like it's the child who's able to see it
Speaker 5: the most clearly. I have a question. So if I
Speaker 5: guess this one's for you, but Joy, you can weigh
Speaker 5: on this. So later in the episode, there's a fun
Speaker 5: there's a fun bit where Brooke takes Quinn and I
Speaker 5: think Millie joins as well, out to trick for a
Speaker 5: drink because in Haley in Haley's area. That's right because
Speaker 5: they go out because Haley's having such a hard time
Speaker 5: with what's going on, with what's transporting, and because at
Speaker 5: this point it looks like they are leaning towards having
Speaker 5: to pay two hundred thousand dollars to this woman who's lying.
Speaker 5: So Haley is out of sorts. It looks like I'm
Speaker 5: going to take you to trick. We're going to drink,
Speaker 5: and so there's some funny stuff there. But towards the
Speaker 5: end of it, Alex walks up to Clay. Clay's drinking
Speaker 5: and she's like, oh, it's a Keila. I used to
Speaker 5: love that, you know. Clay's like, oh cool, and he
Speaker 5: takes a shot and she kisses me as soon as
Speaker 5: I have had the shot, like presumably to get like
Speaker 5: a little taste on her lips. And then when she
Speaker 5: throws herself at me, I'm like, great, be at my pouse.
Speaker 5: In thirty minutes, her exit move is she licks my neck,
Speaker 5: And my first thought was ew and has nothing to
Speaker 5: do with Alex or Janet. It's just I don't want
Speaker 5: anyone anyone licking me. But I thought my question was
Speaker 5: was there ever a time when that was hot? Would
Speaker 5: that ever work? For you if a dude licked you?
Speaker 3: First of all, was this in the script?
Speaker 5: It had to be.
Speaker 3: I think it was meant to be kind of like
Speaker 3: a because she kisses him to get the tequila, does
Speaker 3: the lime? And I I think it was like a oh,
Speaker 3: you're looking for sweating, you're looking for salt? Was okay?
Speaker 3: God was the idea. But no, if some if a
Speaker 3: person just licked me, they'd get punched in the face. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's so. I mean, you guys are flirting and kissing
Speaker 3: and clearly arranging to like have a little sexy time.
Speaker 5: But like.
Speaker 3: If if just a human in a bar licked me, no, dog,
Speaker 3: you're getting punched right in the mouth.
Speaker 5: Yeah. This this felt like one of those moments where
Speaker 5: I was keenly aware of how much time has passed
Speaker 5: for me between shooting this series and where I am now.
Speaker 5: Because I'm at the time, I did not bump on it.
Speaker 5: I probably thought, yeah, is this hot? And now at
Speaker 5: forty three years old, I watched it and I went
Speaker 5: ew disgusting. No, that would be my heart out. I'm done,
Speaker 5: I gotta go wash my neck. You're was it a.
Speaker 3: Strong lick or was it like a little like a
Speaker 3: little taste, no joy. It was strong, like a head
Speaker 3: grab and a and a what would you say, like
Speaker 3: under collarbone to under ear.
Speaker 5: It went clavially almost to ear lobe tip. That's a
Speaker 5: lot of real estate. That's a lot of delicate real estate.
Speaker 5: Also close to my nose. So if you have bad breath,
Speaker 5: I might catch it with of it, and then I'm
Speaker 5: for sure throwing up and we can never see each
Speaker 5: other again.
Speaker 3: Never.
Speaker 5: That's a nightmare of mine. Listen, uh, insight into my
Speaker 5: childhood trauma. One of the things my mom used to
Speaker 5: do to me was once I got too big for
Speaker 5: her to like people like wrestle me or man handle me,
Speaker 5: and she knew she'd like lost that she would lick
Speaker 5: her finger and wipe it on me. No true, Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: I swear to God it's the truth in it disgusted
Speaker 5: me to no end, so she knew it worked. So
Speaker 5: I got to say, I also am bringing emotional baggage
Speaker 5: into this reaction, and I'm going to own that. Listener,
Speaker 5: I get it, but I still think it's disgusting.
Speaker 3: You know what I will say, Rob, is bravo to you,
Speaker 3: because what that is is you identifying a trigger and
Speaker 3: clearly your therapist is great.
Speaker 5: Gold star from Trevor.
Speaker 3: A my guy. I don't know. I'm thinking about this.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm trying to be I'm trying to be fair.
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, if I met somebody at a
Speaker 4: bar and we're flirting and it's like going well, and
Speaker 4: we do shots.
Speaker 3: And then they lick you like a basset hound, not.
Speaker 4: Not strongly like that I could not handle, like maybe
Speaker 4: like a little tongue tuck, like just like a little
Speaker 4: taste before we walk out a door together.
Speaker 3: Like but in a kiss you mean not in no, no,
Speaker 3: like you look.
Speaker 5: Like a isolated event.
Speaker 3: I don't know why my instinct is it. I don't know, No, no,
Speaker 3: you would want to kiss instead? Yeah, but or like
Speaker 3: it's I No, I.
Speaker 4: Feel like I could see it being a little sexier
Speaker 4: from a girl than a guy for some reason.
Speaker 5: Well can confirm, right though, you have to go to
Speaker 5: YouTube and watch what Sofa was just how she was
Speaker 5: just that's not.
Speaker 3: Going I just am like, how, what's the scene? What's
Speaker 3: the blocking? Also, I realized, like we're so Pavlovian. I
Speaker 3: have this little square, so I'm trying to fit all
Speaker 3: my action into it and then I just look like
Speaker 3: a mole, like I don't know what I'm doing, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Man, that feels like a little much the clavical to ears.
Speaker 3: Like they had her do. She's a real player.
Speaker 5: She went for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I actually think what may have happened was correct me
Speaker 5: if I'm wrong, But I believe when Tommy Lee and
Speaker 5: Pamela Anderson were a couple, there was a famous moment
Speaker 5: or a famous picture of him licking the side of
Speaker 5: her face.
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 5: Oh, I do want to say that. I feel like
Speaker 5: our boss was very influenced by rock stars. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: it would not surprise me if that was something that
Speaker 5: was seen and I was like, hey, that guy did it.
Speaker 5: It's it's cool and sexy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. The only person I've ever I mean pantomime.
Speaker 3: I didn't like swipe the lick, but I did that
Speaker 3: pose once with my best friend Cameron, which like tracks
Speaker 3: because Cameron gay and not a man who I'm like
Speaker 3: involved with. It was it was like this very funny
Speaker 3: thing that we did. I was like adjusting his bow
Speaker 3: tie and someone referenced that. So he took this photo
Speaker 3: because it was like this amazing black and white. It
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. I'm digressing. It got so creepy. Great because
Speaker 3: it's honestly like a very sexy picture. But you know,
Speaker 3: neither of us wants to date each other, so that's
Speaker 3: not it. Years later, someone took that photo and photoshopped
Speaker 3: Jensen's face into it, so now it looks like there
Speaker 3: is a picture of me licking Danil's husband's face.
Speaker 4: Why do people do these things?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, because they want to do like
Speaker 3: some whoever his character was on Supernatural and Brook Davis
Speaker 3: like fan fiction. I don't know, but it's so creepy
Speaker 3: to all of us involved, and like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: it's a good thing. You know.
Speaker 4: Now you can't trust any pictures that you see ever,
Speaker 4: because everything is just yeah, digitally altered.
Speaker 5: The problem is we know that the internet doesn't know that.
Speaker 5: So the problem is that photo gets reposted. Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: and before a voice of reason comes in, there'll be
Speaker 5: one hundred people who will be like, that's not right.
Speaker 5: She's he's married. They she should know better, and then
Speaker 5: like eighty comments down will be someone going actually this
Speaker 5: is an edited photo from twenty sixteen. Yeah, but point
Speaker 5: people have already had two hours to get upset about it.
Speaker 3: You know, well, and that's exactly it. That's exactly it.
Speaker 3: It's so it's just icky to me.
Speaker 4: I don't know, so, I guess I've never heard your
Speaker 4: heart to lick anyone's face. I mean, I get it
Speaker 4: in a comical context, like obviously that's funny, but as
Speaker 4: like a sexy move.
Speaker 3: No, but not as that's exactly what I that's I
Speaker 3: guess why I'm like describing the literal zero ounce of
Speaker 3: chemistry Cameron and I have because it's like it's it
Speaker 3: has to be a gag or I guess they ask
Speaker 3: for a scene. I just don't know that that would
Speaker 3: be like a I don't know, not for me. I'm
Speaker 3: on team Robin. I'm not into the licking. We're moving on.
Speaker 5: It can't be a move. Maybe a flourish at best,
Speaker 5: but you can't be like I open doors, I pick
Speaker 5: up checks and I lick next. You know that can't
Speaker 5: be your romantic toolkit.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, why do I feel like you just
Speaker 3: wrote a country song? You did?
Speaker 5: Oh my god? We need that on a t sh
Speaker 5: Joey get to it.
Speaker 4: I open doors and I right chicks.
Speaker 5: There it is.
Speaker 3: I flirt with boys and I.
Speaker 4: Lick there next gross.
Speaker 3: Gross, you know what I do want to shout out
Speaker 3: though that was also great, And again just to really
Speaker 3: repeat how hilarious Janna is. Before she makes out with
Speaker 3: Clay for the tequila and grabs the lime, she orders
Speaker 3: two tequila shots at the bar Joy and she's like,
Speaker 3: in a terrible disguise, you know, it's Alex Dupray, and
Speaker 3: Millie catches her and she goes, well, we're drinking, and
Speaker 3: she makes Milly take both tequila shots. And when Milly
Speaker 3: takes the shots, she bites the line Alex does and
Speaker 3: just watches and she looks at her and she goes,
Speaker 3: are we drunk it? And Millie kind of shakes her
Speaker 3: head and goes, no, we're buzzed, and she's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I love being buzzed. And it's it is so funny.
Speaker 3: It's just so funny. I love that. I love the unpredictability.
Speaker 3: And a girl who plays like.
Speaker 4: She is she actually playing dumb. Is she using her
Speaker 4: and she's just using her entire toolkit, her body, her wiles,
Speaker 4: her wisdom, her vulnerability, like all the things. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's kind of terrifying somebody who is able to manipulate
Speaker 4: all of themselves in that way, but super fun to watch.
Speaker 5: So sure. We also had the arrival at the very
Speaker 5: end of Alison Mun's real life husband, Scott Olroyd Yes
Speaker 5: Sean tells husband, So that was kind of a fun reveal.
Speaker 5: At the very end, she's she's not answering her phone
Speaker 5: a trick, and then he's awkward right behind her. Oh,
Speaker 5: she screens this call and he's like, you're gonna have
Speaker 5: to answer sooner or later.
Speaker 3: Like, ooh, it's a.
Speaker 4: Long, wonderful what's with the photo shoot? You guys organize
Speaker 4: a photo shoot for what is this the Alex thing?
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, it's the big close over bros. Shoot.
Speaker 3: So the the sort of running past Julian and only
Speaker 3: his boxers in the morning happens because Brooke is saying
Speaker 3: she's late, and it's like this whirlwind of you know,
Speaker 3: me going to work and him being stuck at home,
Speaker 3: and it's really well set up from the beginning. Tim
Speaker 3: our actual makeup artist from the show, is playing Alex's
Speaker 3: makeup artist. It's very flourish of things happening in the store,
Speaker 3: and then we go and do the photo shoot up
Speaker 3: on the roof that used to be the put Putt course. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's really like, it's fun and it's lively and
Speaker 3: it's loud and there's a lot of I don't know,
Speaker 3: I felt like we kind of got a peek behind
Speaker 3: the curtain at production, obviously in like a very pop way.
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 4: Is that the first time we seen the golf course
Speaker 4: not golf coursey. Yeah, I think so, I don't know,
Speaker 4: removed that was sad. That was sad when it disappeared.
Speaker 5: There was also a funny moment at that shoot where
Speaker 5: it opens with Alex showing up a proper mess, just
Speaker 5: hung over and disheveled, and announces to a room full
Speaker 5: of people, I need a pill. That's when the whole
Speaker 5: bit where Sophi is trying to slap the pillar ye
Speaker 5: oh yeah yeah, And so it's she's made a whole
Speaker 5: production of that, right, And then later at the end
Speaker 5: of the shoot or towards the end of the shoot,
Speaker 5: you see her sort of sneak away and Millie walks
Speaker 5: by and goes like, uh you good. She goes, yeah,
Speaker 5: I just need a water, And after Millia walks away,
Speaker 5: she like surreptitiously tries to take a pill, Like, why
Speaker 5: are we being coy now? You literally announced to the
Speaker 5: entire room I need a pill when you walked in
Speaker 5: the door.
Speaker 3: You don't want to get attacked. She wanted to get
Speaker 3: bum rushed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh see, that makes more sense. I guess I
Speaker 5: was thinking of it like she thought she was keeping
Speaker 5: a secret, And to me, I'm like, there's no secret.
Speaker 5: You cat came out of the bag the second you
Speaker 5: walked in the room. You know, But that makes sense.
Speaker 4: She doesn't want to get.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Joy, what was your honorable mention from the episode.
Speaker 3: My honorable mention is your thumb on my shoulder. Just yeah,
Speaker 3: the last little detail. Oh my god. Honestly, my honorable
Speaker 3: mention occurs. It's a very random thing, but I was
Speaker 3: very impressed by it. When we're doing Glam before the
Speaker 3: shoot for Alex downstairs that close over, Bros. Joy, Julian
Speaker 3: walks in and hands me my coffee order. Millie her
Speaker 3: coffee order, turns around to Quinn with her coffee order
Speaker 3: and says, I called Hayley And I was like that,
Speaker 3: that's nice. That's nice. Keep that man, like, keep keep
Speaker 3: that energy with people. I the thought that you know,
Speaker 3: somebody would do that I was like, honorable mention for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeahs move sir, Yeah, he's a good dude.
Speaker 5: Mine would be from the same scene where when Alex
Speaker 5: sits in the chair. So if you come in red
Speaker 5: Hot with the line where you lean in and you
Speaker 5: say to Tim the makeup artist, you might want to
Speaker 5: start with a little lying slut remover. They just e
Speaker 5: been thinking, this is the person you just paid five
Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars to look happy in your clothing right
Speaker 5: before the shoot you opened it. Why don't use a
Speaker 5: little lying slut remover on her? Oh good?
Speaker 3: We just had to commit.
Speaker 5: It was great. So many quotables in the show, so
Speaker 5: many great lines.
Speaker 4: Man, I can't wait to watch this episode. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: so a doubleheader.
Speaker 3: I love it. Well, we have a listener question, oh
Speaker 3: Kayla asks if you could have any character from Wintree
Speaker 3: Hill as your best friend in real life, who would
Speaker 3: it be and why? That's so sweet?
Speaker 5: It's a great question.
Speaker 3: See, I'm going broker skills I like.
Speaker 4: I think both are excellent choices for very different reasons.
Speaker 3: I love that honestly. Yeah, I'd want to be friends
Speaker 3: with Brook Davis, but that might like break the time
Speaker 3: space continuum. So I would one hundred percent love to
Speaker 3: have Skills as my best friend. Why not?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, skills. I Skills is great because you also
Speaker 5: know you're going to get a little Jamie, because those
Speaker 5: two are a tandem package. But for the sake of
Speaker 5: just of being different, I will say mouth because I
Speaker 5: was really moved by how sweet he was. I just
Speaker 5: felt like I was watching a real, steady good friend
Speaker 5: this episode, and that's what I'd like. I'd just give me,
Speaker 5: give me a good, steady buddy. Who's in my corner?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it. She's been a while.
Speaker 3: Let's see.
Speaker 5: Most likely to save you from a bad first date?
Speaker 3: I love it. How is that not Brooke? Who else
Speaker 3: would it be? Maybe Millie?
Speaker 5: Brooke was my immediate knee jerk as well. My second
Speaker 5: thought was Clay because we see him doing a lot
Speaker 5: of cleaning up.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a lot of crisis. Yeah.
Speaker 5: But yeah, my heart immediately shouted Brooke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think I feel that it's unanimous. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think all of Brook's friends have a text code
Speaker 4: with her and they I don't know what the code
Speaker 4: word is, but she gets that message and it's like
Speaker 4: check the location, show up and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you get the costs happened. That's right,
Speaker 3: must go quick, Willie feel down the well, you better
Speaker 3: come with me now.
Speaker 5: It's like it's it's the Brooks signal instead of the
Speaker 5: Bat signals a giant. It's a giant thumbs down shown
Speaker 5: into the sky and she knows she needs to swoop
Speaker 5: in and save a friend from a landing. What do
Speaker 5: we got next episode? So?
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, next week, Season seven, episode four, Believe me,
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