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Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back. It's Thursday morning, May twentieth.

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Speaker 1: If you have our Lord twenty twenty one, I'm Josh Pate.

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Speaker 1: This is the Late Kick Extra podcast.

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Speaker 2: We got to talk.

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Speaker 1: About the Wounded Animal Mode theory today, why it applies

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Speaker 1: to LSU, and why it may or may not.

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Speaker 2: Apply to Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: Does a title mean as much if you don't go

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Speaker 1: through Alabama and Nick Saban to get it, who's going

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Speaker 1: to be winning in twenty thirty one? And why gambling

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Speaker 1: will not ruin college football? Some of the many things

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Speaker 1: that you have submitted via the Late Kick inbox. Josh

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Speaker 1: Pate seven zero six at gmail dot com. That's how

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Speaker 1: you submit a question. I went back and listened to

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Speaker 1: about five podcasts over the past week and came to

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Speaker 1: the conclusion that I just waste too much time. At

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Speaker 1: the beginning. You didn't say it. I did, and so

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Speaker 1: you can't possibly be against this. So I'm diving right

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Speaker 1: in and if I have anything to share with you,

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to mix it throughout. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: tuning in. Our numbers are tremendous. Let's get to work.

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Speaker 2: First.

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Speaker 1: Up, Andrew says, I like that Wounded Animal mode theory

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Speaker 1: on LSU's defense you shared when they were being led

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Speaker 1: by Bo Polini. I think it applies to Oklahoma's defense

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Speaker 1: when Alex Grinch first got there, and maybe the playoff too.

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Speaker 1: What will it take for Oklahoma to shake that and

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Speaker 1: win a playoff game? Now, for those that didn't catch

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Speaker 1: that whole wounded animal mode theory, it went a little

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Speaker 1: something like this. LSU's defense was great, a hot garbage

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Speaker 1: last year. They don't even deny that. I think maybe

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Speaker 1: the blame is where we can disagree. The blame a

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Speaker 1: lot of times is just placed at the feet of

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Speaker 1: the players, and maybe the coordinator too, but a lot

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Speaker 1: of you. I mean, when you yell at your TV screen,

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Speaker 1: that's not just my observation. That goes along with talking

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Speaker 1: the program. So this is not a mystery. They fired

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Speaker 1: bo Polini, that is what it is. But then ed

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Speaker 1: Orzeran had to go out and he had to make

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Speaker 1: a hire, and he went and got Deronte Jones, who

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Speaker 1: because a lot of those guys are in wounded animal mode.

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Speaker 1: A lot of those guys came off being in the

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Speaker 1: some guy came in and was hired to come in

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Speaker 1: We're going to do it a different way because my

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Speaker 2: To say, oh, no, no, it's okay, it's okay.

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Speaker 1: I'm not to hurt you. I'm here to help you.

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Speaker 1: The bad man's gone. I'm here now, So come on there,

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Speaker 2: But that's wounded animal mode.

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Speaker 1: Wounded animal mode is you go into it and you're

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Speaker 1: So that's what I said about LSU. Well, then we

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Speaker 1: Does that put them in wounded animal mode? I don't

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Speaker 1: But they've done that now, and as it relates to

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Speaker 1: David is up next. He says, we all know and

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Speaker 1: see that gambling in sports is massively increased as of late,

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Speaker 1: and we've seen that it's great for total viewership in

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Speaker 1: for that matter. If so, how David, I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: have fixing of games. No, you're not, not any more

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Speaker 1: When the rest of us, we the law abiding citizenry

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Speaker 1: So it's always been around. Now it's legalized. But my

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Speaker 1: the coal mine, so to speak. There was no hidden reason,

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Speaker 1: there was no scam. It was I stepped away because

435
00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,480
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it anymore. Washington was a

436
00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,479
Speaker 1: very good program under Peterson. They along with Oregon, are

437
00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,440
Speaker 1: the only two Pac twelve teams to make the College

438
00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,800
Speaker 1: Football Playoff and well since the playoffs been around, and

439
00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,920
Speaker 1: they were good, and he just stepped away. And Chris

440
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,560
Speaker 1: Peterson's also a guy I can tell you firsthand that

441
00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,760
Speaker 1: had offers even before he retired. When he was at Washington,

442
00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,960
Speaker 1: he had big time offers from major programs, some of

443
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Speaker 1: them in the Southeast, and he never even gave him

444
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Speaker 1: a real consideration. And the word was, well, he just

445
00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,960
Speaker 1: had family ties that he wanted to stay in the

446
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Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest because of But it was always rumor. You

447
00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,960
Speaker 1: never heard him just outright say it. Well, He outright

448
00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,200
Speaker 1: told Bruce Feldman, I just realized there was a lot

449
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Speaker 1: more to life that I wanted to experience, and I

450
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,480
Speaker 1: was not getting to do that being a college football coach.

451
00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,119
Speaker 1: It's just brutal honesty. I respect it. I mean I

452
00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,120
Speaker 1: fully respected. I guarantee you he had his phone lit

453
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Speaker 1: up by dozens to hundreds, at minimum hundreds of people

454
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Speaker 1: in the profession of football and maybe other professions that said, boy,

455
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Speaker 1: I feel the exact same way. Unfortunately, I can't step

456
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Speaker 1: away from where I am right now. But I wish

457
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Speaker 1: that I had maybe the financial security and the emotional

458
00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,480
Speaker 1: security that you do to be able to say that

459
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,760
Speaker 1: and be able to have one of the most envied

460
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,440
Speaker 1: positions making millions of dollars coaching a game and step

461
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,879
Speaker 1: away and just say it's not for me anymore. But

462
00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,119
Speaker 1: that's exactly what he did. And one of the metaphors

463
00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,399
Speaker 1: he used was that of a racehorse. Ironically, I use

464
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,920
Speaker 1: this metaphor all the time on Late Kick in various contexts,

465
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Speaker 1: none like this, but Chris Peterson said, I felt like

466
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Speaker 1: a racehorse when I was being a football coach all day,

467
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 1: every day, all year, and I had blinders on and

468
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Speaker 1: that's exactly how you get a horse to run so fast.

469
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Speaker 1: You put blinders on. It can't see to the left

470
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Speaker 1: and right. It doesn't even know it's running against other

471
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Speaker 1: horses as much. It's just running its race.

472
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Speaker 2: Well.

473
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Speaker 1: Chris Peterson said, I couldn't see life. There was so

474
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Speaker 1: much over here and so much over there, and there

475
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 1: was so much beauty around me. And I had family,

476
00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,119
Speaker 1: and I had friends, and I had other interests that

477
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Speaker 1: I could be immersed in, but I couldn't because the

478
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,000
Speaker 1: blinders of being a football coach made it all about that.

479
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 1: And it's not that he didn't he goes on to

480
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Speaker 1: say this, I'm paraphrasing. It's not that he didn't enjoy

481
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,879
Speaker 1: impacting the lives of young men. It's not that he

482
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 1: didn't enjoy competition and winning. He's really good at it.

483
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 1: Peterson was one of the best coaches in America. This

484
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 1: wasn't some middling five hundred guy that no one would

485
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 1: have missed anyway and probably would have been out the

486
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Speaker 1: door in a few years regardless who decided to step

487
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Speaker 1: away on his own terms. It's one of the very

488
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Speaker 1: best in the business. And he steps away and says,

489
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to take the blinders off. I had

490
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Speaker 1: all the respect in the world for it. And if

491
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Speaker 1: you haven't read it, it's lengthy, but you know I

492
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Speaker 1: would set aside fifteen or twenty minutes and go read it,

493
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,400
Speaker 1: because I guarantee you there are going to be very

494
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 1: few college football interviews or articles that you watch or

495
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,400
Speaker 1: listen to or ingest this entire calendar year that you'll

496
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 1: be able to relate to in some shape, form or

497
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 1: fashion more easily than that one. And with that, we're

498
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Speaker 1: headed right into the future. Anderson said, if someone time

499
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Speaker 1: traveled to visit you from the year twenty thirty two, Okay,

500
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 1: so I guess we can stay still. They're coming to

501
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: us and said that either Jeff Collins at Georgia Tech

502
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Speaker 1: or Shane Biemer South Carolina has won a national title,

503
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Speaker 1: but won't tell you which one.

504
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Speaker 2: Who would you guess?

505
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Speaker 1: I know these are both programs you feel have an

506
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Speaker 1: upward trajectory, And thought of this interesting question. Yes, the

507
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Speaker 1: upward trajectory, of course future tense, because right now Georgia

508
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 1: Tech has six wins combined the last two years, and

509
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Speaker 1: Carolina just fired their head coach fifteen minutes going hired

510
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Speaker 1: a new one. So there's a lot of optimism. But

511
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Speaker 1: yet if you're a doubter, you have tons of ammunition.

512
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Speaker 1: Now my answer is going to be Jeff Collins at

513
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Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. This is not a slamdunkey. The way I

514
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Speaker 1: could be convinced, I could be convinced neither, or I

515
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Speaker 1: could be convinced that I'm on the wrong side.

516
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Speaker 2: But this person.

517
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Speaker 1: Let me just keep in mind those of you who

518
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Speaker 1: are disrespectfully yelling at me as you're riding your lawnmower

519
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Speaker 1: around the yard.

520
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Speaker 2: There.

521
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Speaker 1: I am not the one who posed the question. Someone

522
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Speaker 1: has come from twenty thirty two. This has already happened people.

523
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Speaker 1: One of them won a title, so that we know,

524
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Speaker 1: we just got to figure out which one it was.

525
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Speaker 1: Are you going If you're going to disagree with me,

526
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Speaker 1: you are disagreeing with the future. That's who you're disagreeing with.

527
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Speaker 1: So take it up with future, not me. Here's the

528
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Speaker 1: reason I go Georgia Tech. I feel like there's something

529
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Speaker 1: at Georgia Tech that could click that has not clicked. Now,

530
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 1: for that matter, this could be said about Carolina too,

531
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Speaker 1: because I think that the same stuff that's happened at

532
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 1: Clemson is theoretically capable. At South Carolina, I think that

533
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,719
Speaker 1: it has not happened, but I think that. But at

534
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,959
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, I think there's something that's a little bit

535
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Speaker 1: unique and maybe a little bit different, because what I

536
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: think at Georgia Tech is what has previously been viewed

537
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Speaker 1: as a limitation the right person could turn into a strength.

538
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: The limitation there is, of course, oh it's very very

539
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: hard to get in academically. Therefore, it drastically cuts down

540
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Speaker 1: on the pool of recruits. And even then you have

541
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Speaker 1: to entice the recruits to come there. That is not

542
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Speaker 1: a limitation for everyone. It's just a limitation for most people.

543
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Speaker 1: But imagine this, What if you got the right coach

544
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Speaker 1: in there, you got the right staff, which we hope

545
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: Jeff Collins is, and you had someone that harnessed that

546
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Speaker 1: in the positive instead of the negative, and he went

547
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Speaker 1: and found the best kids in America that fit the qualifications,

548
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Speaker 1: and he made Georgia Tech the destination for all the

549
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: high caliber academic and athletic kids. Because I know that

550
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 1: this runs contrary to popular belief out there, but there

551
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,719
Speaker 1: are well more than twenty five kids per recruiting cycle

552
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 1: that are capable of getting into Georgia Tech athletically and

553
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: playing at a high caliber level on the football field.

554
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: In fact, there are way more than twenty five. The

555
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Speaker 1: reason I mentioned twenty five is because you don't have

556
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Speaker 1: to sign five hundred of them. You need about twenty

557
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: to twenty five per class if you're going to leverage

558
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: the portal. That number could vary. But imagine if all

559
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: of a sudden Georgia Tech became that place, how do

560
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: you make it that place. Well, that's why they're so

561
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Speaker 1: big on marketing and so big on branding. Right now,

562
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: they have to do as good a job at marketing

563
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: their product, their program, their brand as any team in

564
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Speaker 1: America because they have a different set of circumstances there.

565
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: But they don't have to be negative. So what I

566
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Speaker 1: could see happening is if among those high caliber kids,

567
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Speaker 1: they got a big time quarterback. Let's say they have

568
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 1: a kid they just strike gold, one of the biggest

569
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: quarterback names in America is in Atlanta, and he decides

570
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Speaker 1: to go to Georgia Tech, and then all of a sudden,

571
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Speaker 1: the dominoes and recruitings start following the way they always do.

572
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: Not only do you have a high caliber athlete, on campus.

573
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: You got a high IQ kid on campus, you don't

574
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Speaker 1: fail a lot. The bust rate is very low with

575
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: those kinds of kids, And so all of a sudden,

576
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Speaker 1: if you could bottle something up like that at Georgia Tech,

577
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 1: it just goes boom and it keeps going boom. You

578
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: don't have a one year wonder when you have that

579
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: kind of combination of ingredients come together. So what I'm

580
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Speaker 1: saying is, I know that's hard to envision, but we're

581
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Speaker 1: looking ahead ten years. It's happened at one place or

582
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: the other. Which one is it more likely to have

583
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 1: happened at. I think it's Georgia Tech, And I don't

584
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Speaker 1: know how the acc would play out over the next

585
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: ten years. But I'm also thinking about how many obstacles

586
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: would be in their way. You know, I think about

587
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: South Carolina right now, any given year over the next decade,

588
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: Georgia and Florida are going to be mainstays. They'll be

589
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: main stays. And that's not saying anything about Tennessee or

590
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 1: anyone else who rises any individual year. But with Georgia

591
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: Tech right now, you have Clemson, and then you don't

592
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen at Florida State. You don't

593
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen at Miami, so the path

594
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 1: looks easier. They're located in Atlanta. I mean, they're at

595
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Speaker 1: the intersection of the SEC and A. They're in the

596
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: state of Atlanta, as they call it in the recruiting world.

597
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: It's its own state. It's like inside the state of

598
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: Georgia's landlocked by Georgia, but the state of Atlanta. If

599
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: you could just harness that. I also think not that

600
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: they would need to. I think if this formula is

601
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: put together in an effective manner, Georgia Tech would be

602
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: a national recruiter. They already are academically, but I think

603
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: they would be a national recruiter the same kind of

604
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Speaker 1: way Stanford started to do it. But I'm talking about

605
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Speaker 1: doing it at a higher caliber level, even than Stanford's

606
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: done it. Stanford didn't just go recruit Bay Area kids.

607
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: They went all over the place. I mean, I remember

608
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: being at a signing ceremony for a kid in Columbus,

609
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: Georgia that was headed to Stanford a few years ago.

610
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: They go all over the place they can, cause it's

611
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: a different pitch, it's a different approach. You could do

612
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: the same thing at Georgia Tech. It's hard. It certainly

613
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: would be hard. I know a lot of you can't

614
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 1: envision it. But someone came from the future and said

615
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen, guys. So that's my answer, and I

616
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Speaker 1: don't have to explain myself any further than that. We've

617
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Speaker 1: got a different spin on a playoff question coming up,

618
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: which is good because the old spins are already boring

619
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Speaker 1: to me.

620
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Speaker 2: We'll do it and when we come back.

621
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Speaker 1: You know, before I get to this question, when I

622
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: say the old spins on the playoff conversation are boring,

623
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: it's just because it's fruit that hangs so low at

624
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: scraping the ground.

625
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: This time of year.

626
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: You look around anywhere right now, and the most desperate

627
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: people on the face of this earth and the content

628
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: creation space are either talking about Tim Tebow or they're

629
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: talking about the college football playoff or both, and that's

630
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: how you spot them. So I don't really want to

631
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: go down that road. To each his and her own,

632
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to go down that road. However, Rachl

633
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: nine asked a different kind of question about this. He said,

634
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Speaker 1: I'm with you in the four and No More camp,

635
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: but I'm curious if we did keep that four team

636
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: playoff format, would you support in maintaining the current selection

637
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: process or would you prefer the BCS computer system. I

638
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: wouldn't have a problem with either. I am not anti

639
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: selection committee. I don't think they've gotten it wrong. I

640
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: was petrified when we entered into this thing because when

641
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: we entered into the playoff, this was back in twenty

642
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen, when they announced it. I was not

643
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: against it. I was okay with it. I thought it

644
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: was laughable that the impetus was that twenty eleven All

645
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: SEC title game, because I thought this was more likely

646
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: to give you an All SEC title game. But I said,

647
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: that's fine, go ahead. Four is not too many teams.

648
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't want it to go past that before is

649
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: okay with me. But I did not want the selection

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Speaker 1: committee that they presented. I wanted to keep the BCS

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Speaker 1: formula and just choose the teams based on that. So

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Speaker 1: I was really against that committee, and I was wrong

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Speaker 1: because I think that it's played out exactly the way

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Speaker 1: it should have. There has not been a single year

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Speaker 1: that these people have selected four teams that were not

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Speaker 1: the same four teams. I would have selected, so of course,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, they've done a fine job. So we

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Speaker 1: can agree or disagree on that. I mean, I know

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to get one hundred percent consensus on that,

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Speaker 1: but that's okay, that's cool. But if we were to

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Speaker 1: keep the four team format, I wouldn't really carry either

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Speaker 1: way rage. I think more times than not, you'd end

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Speaker 1: up with the same teams. I think if you were

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Speaker 1: to go back and you were to look at the

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Speaker 1: way that this is stacked up, I don't think there

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Speaker 1: would be that many glaring omissions that the BCS computer

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Speaker 1: formula would have put in that the committee didn't. Now

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Speaker 1: I don't know this off the top of my head.

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Speaker 1: It could be that TCU Baylor year, for example. Maybe

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Speaker 1: one of those teams gets put in. I can't remember,

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Speaker 1: like I said, off the top of my head, what

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Speaker 1: the computer said versus what the committee said that year.

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Speaker 2: But I wouldn't listen.

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Speaker 1: If you were to tell me you're going to maintain

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Speaker 1: the fourteen field, I'd be fine either way. You give

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Speaker 1: me four and I will give you the selection process

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Speaker 1: that you prefer. Chase asked me, are there any early

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Speaker 1: thoughts on Auburn versus Penn State. I don't have any

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Speaker 1: kind of game breakdown ready for you. Chase two thoughts

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Speaker 1: Number one. I remember the last time I watched Auburn

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Speaker 1: go on the road in an extremely hostile environment, and

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Speaker 1: that was at Florida. I was at that game on

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Speaker 1: the field for it very loud, very intimidating for Auburn.

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Speaker 1: They were not ready to play, They were not ready

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Speaker 1: for that atmosphere. Let me say that their offense was atrocious.

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Speaker 1: And I think about bo Nick's going into Happy Valley

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Speaker 1: at full capacity, and what I want to know, and

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Speaker 1: this is the second thought, is are you going to

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Speaker 1: wipe that game out or not? Cause there are two

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Speaker 1: home games. All you Penn State fans know what I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about here. There are two games that are really

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Speaker 1: the only candidates for the white out game this year.

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Speaker 1: One is Auburn that's Week three, and then Michigan's a

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Speaker 1: little bit later in the year. Now, I think the

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Speaker 1: traditionalist would say, well, if Michigan's coming in here, we

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Speaker 1: got a white out Michigan because that's a traditional conference game,

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Speaker 1: Whereas Auburn, it's great that we're getting that early season

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Speaker 1: out of conference, primetime SEC rub and all that but

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Speaker 1: it's Auburn. You know, it's Auburn and Michigan. Which one

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Speaker 1: are we going to pick? Well, I want to know

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Speaker 1: that because that may actually determine my Week three travel plans.

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Speaker 1: But I would not tell you anything in terms of

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Speaker 1: who I think will win. I would just say stylistically,

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Speaker 1: I got a hard time seeing that be a fourteen

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Speaker 1: plus point win for either.

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Speaker 2: That's my early thought on that.

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Speaker 1: I think it would be very I think it'll be

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Speaker 1: over in about two and a half hours, That's what

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Speaker 1: I think. I had a question last night about why

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Speaker 1: I haven't told more stories like I was doing for

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Speaker 1: a little stretch there on the podcast or on.

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Speaker 2: Lake Kick Live.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can circle back around and tell some of

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Speaker 1: those again, I mean I can go in further detail.

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Speaker 1: The reason I haven't is because last year, I we

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Speaker 1: were given the opportunity to go to games, but it

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Speaker 1: would have been just lock yourself in a press box.

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Speaker 1: You don't get access to any of the players or coaches,

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Speaker 1: you can't go down on the field, so it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: really be worth going. So I didn't go to any

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Speaker 1: games last year. I just sat actually right where I

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Speaker 1: am right now in the office, all alone like I

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Speaker 1: am right now, and I just watched all the games

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Speaker 1: on all these monitors all over the place. Well, the

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Speaker 1: thing about that is it's good for a viewing experience,

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Speaker 1: but it's terrible for gathering new storytelling material, because that's

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Speaker 1: the best time to get storytelling material is being at

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Speaker 1: games and being around places that the general public doesn't

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Speaker 1: get to see. Well, the reason that I mentioned that

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Speaker 1: is because Lord Willing, we are now approaching a season

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Speaker 1: where everything will be back open up, and we will

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Speaker 1: also have the access that we've always had before. And

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Speaker 1: so I would imagine this fall, the drought on news

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Speaker 1: storytelling material will come to an end, and I'll have

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Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff for you. That's one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons I keep telling you. Maybe some of you will

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Speaker 1: have to see it to know exactly what I mean,

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Speaker 1: A lot more of you've already done it. You need

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Speaker 1: to follow that intam account and the Twitter account at

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Speaker 1: late Kick Josh, because I'm going to have a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff for you, a lot of behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: stuff that you just would not have seen otherwise, and

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Speaker 1: it may only be on that account, it may not

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Speaker 1: be something I even share on the live shows. So

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Speaker 1: it pays it will pay to follow that account. Let's

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Speaker 1: wrap it up this morning with this. I did not

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Speaker 1: get a name on this question, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: you have asked it, So let's just have one person

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Speaker 1: speak for you all. Will Texas and Texas A and

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Speaker 1: M come to the same kind of understanding as South

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Speaker 1: Carolina Clemson or Florida Florida State and resume their yearly rivalry.

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Speaker 1: My answer on this is I hope so. I made

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Speaker 1: a joke the other day when it was announced that

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Speaker 1: Jalo and Ben Affleck were back together. Some of you

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Speaker 1: who follow me on the aforementioned Twitter account you saw

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Speaker 1: I put a picture of Ben and j Loo back

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Speaker 1: together after all these years, and then I put a

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Speaker 1: picture of A and M versus Texas on the bottom,

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Speaker 1: and I basically said, if we can get this back,

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Speaker 1: why can't we get that back?

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Speaker 2: And lo and behold Ross Buorkek, who is the ad

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Speaker 2: there at Texas?

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Speaker 1: A and M pops in and says, oh, not this again, Yes, Ross, Yes,

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Speaker 1: this again. I think he was responding to someone else

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Speaker 1: who had tagged him, But my answer is I hope so.

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Speaker 1: I have no clue. I asked someone last night because

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Speaker 1: to be honest, with you. I've never bothered to dig

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Speaker 1: all that deep on this. I just know that a

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Speaker 1: lot of people outside the rivalry and a lot of

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Speaker 1: people inside the rivalry were upset that it got canceled.

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Speaker 1: But yet some higher ups made that decision. And so

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Speaker 1: I kind of dug a little bit last night for

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Speaker 1: the first time, and I went to one of my

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Speaker 1: trusted sources in the Longhorn State and I said, look,

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Speaker 1: I know this is a very very old story and

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Speaker 1: you've probably gotten tired of talking about it. But I've

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Speaker 1: never really asked around to any kind of degree about this.

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Speaker 1: So tell me number one, why did this thing get canceled?

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Speaker 1: Real talk? And number two, is it ever going to

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Speaker 1: come back? I'm going to read you verbatim the response

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Speaker 1: I got. You can take this for whatever you take

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Speaker 1: it for.

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Speaker 2: The response. Initially it ended.

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Speaker 1: When A and M went to the SEC after Texas

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Speaker 1: got the Longhorn Network. The Texas ad at the time,

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Speaker 1: Dels Dodds was the first to say they didn't need

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Speaker 1: to play because A and M left the conference. Then

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Speaker 1: the new administration came in from the Texas side and

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Speaker 1: wanted to resume it. But now am he doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to it's like two exes fighting over nothing other than

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Speaker 1: to try and stand the other one up. If one

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Speaker 1: thousand percent needs to resume, it's great for college football.

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Speaker 1: It is such a historic rivalry in the state. There's

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Speaker 1: literally no reason other than pride from both sides at

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Speaker 1: different times.

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Speaker 2: I can buy.

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Speaker 1: That that's exactly what it feels like on the outside,

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Speaker 1: and so I fully endorse that. I hope it comes back.

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Speaker 1: I also hope you guys enjoyed this. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for the traction you continue to give the show.

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Speaker 1: Those numbers keep going up even in the middle of

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Speaker 1: what everyone else refers to as.

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Speaker 2: The off season.

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Speaker 1: Not here though not here. Remember again follow that Instagram

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Speaker 1: account and on Twitter at late kick Josh. If you

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Speaker 1: guys want to book a Zoom consultation, those are going

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Speaker 1: very well. I haven't been pitching them as much only

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Speaker 1: because well, all the slots have been filled. So I

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Speaker 1: got some slots opening up for the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Josh pat seven zero six at gmail dot com. A

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Speaker 1: lot of you wisely choosing this time of year to

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Speaker 1: start a new podcast or a YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: Hit me up.

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Speaker 1: I can probably help you out on that. So for

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Speaker 1: producer Jordan. I am Josh Pate. Thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: les thing. Have a great rest of your day and

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Speaker 1: God bless hmm