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Speaker 2: This is not your average shows.

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Speaker 1: You're now tuned into the rail ain't big stalls.

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Speaker 3: rating and comment and what's adding? What's happening? Y'all know

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Speaker 3: what it is. It's another episode of digital Soapboxed TV.

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Speaker 3: And it's your boy Big Steal. And I'm here with

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Speaker 3: my guy man, my long term home boy, Benzino, Benzino.

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Speaker 3: What's happening though?

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Speaker 1: Still man, listen frust Bro, I want to give your flowers.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 1: I've been watching a lot of your interviews, that Cocaine Interviews, Dope,

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Speaker 1: watch it like three times man, and I just really

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Speaker 1: appreciate how you how you do your interviews, man, Like

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, You keep it one hundred.

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Speaker 2: You're not so biased. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You actually let motherfuckers talk, so you know what I'm saying, Like,

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Speaker 1: look big up to you, bro, I'm glad I'm here.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you having me, man. I appreciate you coming

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Speaker 2: down and sit down with me.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: One love man on the confidence, Man, I appreciate that

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Speaker 2: coming from you.

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Speaker 3: Bro. So I'm gonna jump right into this man. Everybody

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Speaker 3: just calling me man about this P Diddy documentary, right, Uh.

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Speaker 3: I don't like giving my personal opinions on things too much, man,

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Speaker 3: but it seemed like it was kind of personal. It

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Speaker 3: seemed like it was really personal. Man. A lot of

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Speaker 3: venom being spewed, Man, a lot of accusations. You know,

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Speaker 3: this man is presently serving.

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Speaker 1: His time, absolutely absolutely, and before we get into that, well,

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Speaker 1: let me touch on that before we get into this

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Speaker 1: any You know, we've been up against the system that

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Speaker 1: is designed since slavery to go against black man. Designed

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Speaker 1: like they set it all up in the room and

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Speaker 1: designed it how they can still even those slaveries abolished,

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Speaker 1: how they can still be superior over black men. They

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Speaker 1: wasn't worried about the women as much. This was designed

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Speaker 1: to to really make money off of our misery and

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Speaker 1: off of our deaths to feed their judicial system. This

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Speaker 1: is facts, right, without a doubt. I'm never gonna stop

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Speaker 1: screaming this. So I don't give a fuck what these

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Speaker 1: I'm always gonna stand on business when it comes to

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Speaker 1: black folks, and especially black folks within the culture and

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Speaker 1: the hip hop culture, because that's what I represent. And

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Speaker 1: if I seem different, if I seen it change from

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Speaker 1: back then to now, then that that would change my viewpoint.

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Speaker 2: But it ain't nothing changed.

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Speaker 1: So back to the fifty thing, I think we got

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Speaker 1: to understand. First of all, let me get this about him.

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Speaker 1: He's in a different position as an artist and as

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Speaker 1: of white fans that come from the Eminem is that

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Speaker 1: same guys now you're talking about hit Eminem's fan base

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Speaker 1: are a lot of white people who don't mess with

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Speaker 1: black people period. Were talking guys from North Dakota, South Dakota, Idaho.

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Speaker 1: They just don't deal with black culture, but they deal

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Speaker 2: We don't care about.

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Speaker 1: That, right, but he gets to benefit from having that

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Speaker 1: the numbers they are, control the navity they roll. Then

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Speaker 1: when they comment, when they're on YouTube comments, there's gonna

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Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck because I've been standing on

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying by a white dude.

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Speaker 1: So that don't mean all white people are bad, because

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Speaker 2: I know that I'm not hoop up for that.

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Speaker 1: Their racism doesn't change isn't gonna change me And how

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Speaker 2: To hate, but I still can't.

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Speaker 1: I still always had that rebellion in me since Boston

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Speaker 2: Different it was for black people compared to white people.

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Speaker 1: Inequality and it hasn't changed. So I'm just saying he

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Speaker 2: Never tearing down a white guy.

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Speaker 1: Ever we talked in twenty years, I've never heard him

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Speaker 1: talk anything bad about a white guy. When he tears

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Speaker 1: only comes across as jealousy and they're not gonna have

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Speaker 2: So as long as he's looking.

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Speaker 1: At the comments and he thinks the comments are in

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Speaker 1: the black community, a lot of us ain't with that.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Sure, he comes from South Side Jamaica, queens and a

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Speaker 1: is being fooled, you know, because you're looking at a

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Speaker 1: just mad at this at You would think after all

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Speaker 1: the success he's had, all the riches, everything, that he

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Speaker 1: would just be content with life and if anything, he'd

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Speaker 2: He's one of the only.

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Speaker 1: Niggas out here in the rap game that continuously to

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Speaker 1: go at the biggest black niggas. It's him, nobody else.

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Speaker 1: So of course Diddy was gonna catch the worst of it.

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Speaker 1: Why well, we know now, we didn't know at the

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Speaker 1: beginning who Jane Doe was. But once we found out

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Speaker 1: who Jane was, Oh, oh, I get it. He mad

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Speaker 1: at did he because he was slutting his baby's moms.

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Speaker 2: So huh, I'm gonna let you get into it.

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Speaker 3: So you think that the reckoning was put together just

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Speaker 3: to get him the diddy skin, make it look for

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Speaker 3: further desparate him.

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Speaker 1: Listen, we didn't know who Jane Doe was. Once we

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Speaker 1: found out his common sense, his common sense, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. The man was mad because he had

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Speaker 1: know he had Listen, we ain't seen fifty on on

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Speaker 1: with no other woman on the beach like this, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We were taking pictures of him

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Speaker 1: thing for him, Like, Okay, he found in love.

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Speaker 2: It looked like he was in love.

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Speaker 1: I mean that Nigga was actually bending down on the

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Speaker 2: Ain't in love with a broad? Who does that?

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Speaker 1: So I think I think she really hurt him with that,

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Speaker 1: I've been hurt by some woman myself. Shit, I ain't

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Speaker 2: A cancer like me?

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Speaker 1: I give my feelings too, you know, I had to

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Speaker 2: I'm not exapt from that shit. I'm a man too.

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Speaker 1: But if if I am gonna be angry, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: she did to me, not the nigga that she's with.

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Speaker 2: Now, you could feel some type of.

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Speaker 1: Way, but I'm not gonna. I don't think I would

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Speaker 1: and listen, my son is my son. You don't see

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It doesn't matter. My relationship with him

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't be jealous over the next man over a woman.

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Speaker 1: There's too many women out there go get another woman.

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Speaker 1: You know, a woman has free will to do whatever

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Speaker 1: he was controlling her in ways that you know, And

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Speaker 1: then then the whole world knows now, so you know

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Speaker 1: He just hasn't grown up. His mind's fifty still stuck

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Speaker 2: Ages of like man.

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Speaker 1: Even the nineteen year olds today don't act like that. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, fifty stuck in a younger man's mind with

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Speaker 3: I know. You know you brought up the point earlier

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Speaker 3: we were talking before the interview started, about the time

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Speaker 3: when fifty got stabed in the studio, when he had

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Speaker 3: the whole situation going on with murder. Inc Right, you

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Speaker 3: saved that man's life.

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Speaker 1: You know what's crazy about that? Still, I've just told

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Speaker 1: that story many times, man, right, any times, and motherfucker's

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Speaker 1: just sweeping under the rug. Not that I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: on it for him for a minute, But that happened

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Speaker 2: They went through what they went through.

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Speaker 1: They talked about the story that that's when he made

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Speaker 1: a statement with the police. He got stabbed in the side.

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Speaker 1: He ran down to my session, showed me a thirty

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Speaker 2: You you know what I'm saying. We you know, we

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Speaker 1: So when he came down there, I'm playing Madden and

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Speaker 2: So and that.

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Speaker 1: Right, so you're risking them nigga seeing you. And he

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Speaker 2: And he left, and I think my man walked him out.

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Speaker 3: Now do you think you and his problems stemmed from

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And then the fact that at that time I

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Speaker 1: Listen, that man just signed, this man to a huge deal,

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Speaker 1: that time, he had just been shot up, changed his life,

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Speaker 1: tell you, people don't notice. I seen when the beef

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Speaker 2: Mhm. He had just dropped the mixtape with green J

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Speaker 1: I had some Puerto Rican niggas with me from Puerto Rico,

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Speaker 1: Check the shit out. Scrapped them up a little bit,

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Speaker 1: they didn't know hallways. He's nowhere around. Who do I

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Speaker 1: see fifty cent? He w jam Master Jack the last

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Speaker 2: Rest in peace.

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Speaker 1: To to the fucking legend, right to one of the

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Speaker 1: most legendary DJs and architects of hip hop. Got to

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Speaker 2: Man get.

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Speaker 1: Big influence on my life. Queen's legend, rap legend, hip

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Speaker 2: He was with him.

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Speaker 1: He came over and he was real, you know, real

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Speaker 2: But he did said yo ze, No, he.

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Speaker 1: Just was like real quiet, just not not say too much.

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Speaker 2: We had just roughed up Queen Latin. You know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Puerto Rico, you fail me.

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Speaker 1: So we and everybody's in the same venue. But I'm

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if he was.

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Speaker 2: Signing to M, if he was with Jay, I don't

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Speaker 3: That time he might have because he was originally signed

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Speaker 1: Correct, well then yeah then, But it was it was

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Speaker 1: when he started before he started taking them side, It's like, wow, here,

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Speaker 1: I just helped this nigga, you know, what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: And look at this nigga and look what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: So he ain't got no loyalty to nobody, you know,

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Speaker 1: just like a lot of people don't. The money can

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Speaker 1: cheese toast. Ut So on one hand, I understood it.

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Speaker 1: Then me and Jos started getting closer. John took me

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Speaker 1: around the world. Jock took me on two Toss to

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Speaker 1: open up farm. I had just dropped Rock the Party

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Speaker 1: It was with joa ru Concerts Johannesburg, sixty thousand people,

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Speaker 1: like this, And Rock the Party was charting. It was

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Speaker 1: and so as me and joall getting close, you know,

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Speaker 1: em in fifties blowing the fuck up. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Iveen, the same guy that made rock and roll Nigger.

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Speaker 1: Google that Still you probably didn't know that he made

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 3: A lot of I know a lot about music, and

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Speaker 3: to look that up for sure.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Ivin got a song called rock and roll Nigger, right,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy's a motherfucker because people don't know. Like when the

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Speaker 2: He I went to his office.

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Speaker 1: The first time I went, it was me Dave, and

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Speaker 1: about all that mob shit. He was really fucking with

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Speaker 1: me bring schnapps.

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Speaker 2: So Schnapps came sat on.

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Speaker 1: The meeting with him, and the conversation was, Man, you

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Speaker 1: know I remember this. He said, Man, you can't save

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Speaker 1: we making money up here. Man, listen, how can we

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Speaker 1: than Coy with Christopher Big Punk's son rest in peace

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Speaker 1: to the legend Big Punk, right, and a little kid

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Speaker 1: Jimmy signed the niggas for like eight hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Gave him half the money up front before even clearing

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Speaker 1: gave him a half a million dollars right, just up front,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Gave my baby mother one

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Speaker 1: fifty lives of buck fifty and uh lit James mother

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Speaker 1: buck fifty. Right, they all need everybody needed it, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: With Jimmy so already doing business.

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Speaker 1: I had a compilation with me and my with me

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Speaker 3: This wasn't.

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Speaker 2: We had a great business relationship.

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Speaker 1: When the Eminem beef happened, he wanted to me and

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Speaker 1: I was explaining to him my reasons behind it and

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Speaker 1: the world. It was lending you into the lifestyle of

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00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 1: black people. Because hip hop is more than the music,

438
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,159
Speaker 1: and it's still more than music. We are letting you

439
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,639
Speaker 1: into the lifestyle the first that time that happened, and

440
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 1: they're coming willingly and they're spending money. It's a beautiful

441
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 1: fucking thing. It's a beautiful thing culturally to bring the

442
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 1: racists together, and it's a beautiful thing because they're spending

443
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 1: money with us in our communities that needed so desperately,

444
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 1: where young guys can come out of jail and immediately

445
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 1: get a job with a record company without a quarry check.

446
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: I mean, hip hop has done so much for us.

447
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 1: Where would we be without it? So white folks could

448
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,160
Speaker 1: understand that white folks got generational wealth.

449
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 2: Bro hip hop.

450
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 1: Has helped our society in our community.

451
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 2: It's also hurt.

452
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 1: But when I met with Jimmy, Yeah, I was trying

453
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,400
Speaker 1: to explain to him my theories about the minem beef

454
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 1: and it just wasn't a battle, and he just was like, listen,

455
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 1: you can't save the world. We're up here making money

456
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,679
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, so the first meeting, we

457
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 1: really didn't get nowhere. By the time the second meeting came,

458
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 1: we had got the rat racist tape, the racist tape

459
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 1: that he made, and I said, look, we don't put

460
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 1: this taper. He offered me a whole label deal for

461
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: the sauce, and he offered me a personal label deal

462
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: that was probably gonna be a couple of million dollars

463
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 1: to not put out the cassette. I said, I don't

464
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: need your money at that time. At that time, we

465
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 1: make it two million, three million a month. You know

466
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't we already get money from you,

467
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: A couple of million a year from you just an advertisement.

468
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't need that. I'm good on that. The fact

469
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 1: that you signed Ray Ray and m is all good.

470
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 1: I just I'm just, you know, I'm just trying to

471
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: let you know I can't be bought because we're gonna put.

472
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 2: This tape out.

473
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,479
Speaker 1: Because if anybody made a rap a racist tape. We

474
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: was the Sauce magazine. We had to put it out right,

475
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 1: so you feel an obligation to do so. We was

476
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 1: the source the front hip hop news news news. This

477
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: was news, so we had a comfortence. Then the third meeting.

478
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: I remember the first two meetings of the person. The

479
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 1: third meeting was like a zoom meeting with this. I

480
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 1: went to end this scolpting. It was like this big

481
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: screen and he was on there. I was like, that's

482
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: the first time I seen some shit. Like I was

483
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: like this shit, oh, like I had a meeting with somebody,

484
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying like that, this is

485
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: way before FaceTime and all that shit. I was like,

486
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 1: this is dope. So he's like listen. I said, look,

487
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 1: I'll make a compromise with you. Let me sit down

488
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: with Marshall, right, so we can go so we could

489
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: really talk to each other about the situation at hand.

490
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: As far as White America hip hop racism. Let's have

491
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 1: a real conversation. I think would be great for the culture.

492
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 1: I think it would be great for white America and

493
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: Black America for this. I think it could. I think

494
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: it could mean so much that if me and him

495
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: would have sat down for the for the relationship ships

496
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: of black and white people, especially in the culture. But

497
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: his exact words, Jim was like, Marshalls like sit down

498
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 1: with you. He said, He'll never do it.

499
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: He said.

500
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: He said, I said, look, I said, listen, man, I'm

501
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: gonna put the tape out. Because first thing was denying

502
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: it was him. Then when I said I was gonna

503
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: put the tape out, there was like then they sued me.

504
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: Then I got sued. You know, they sued the sauce

505
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: in federal court. So that took a few more months

506
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: for us to win that case. And then we put

507
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: the tape out, but we only from it went from

508
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: an hour and we had to shrink at the judge

509
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: said we had to shrink it down to thirty forty seconds.

510
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: So I had to take out every racist ship this

511
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: nigga said, chop it up and put it in there.

512
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: And then we put it. We shrunk wrapping.

513
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 1: I think we set it out with maybe five thousand

514
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: covers of song m that of that.

515
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: Cassette I had that, I had one look out.

516
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's gonna be worth something one day,

517
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: you know. And my thing, because I don't even got one.

518
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 2: My thing is fifty It was.

519
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: It was it got believe I say all that Jimmy

520
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: poured out his advertisement. It got ugly, went to ex excel.

521
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying Over over with my son,

522
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: Elliott Wilson. You know what I'm saying. My son went

523
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: over there and then you know, from there it was

524
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: it was, it was gloves off. Ever since he ain't

525
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: he hasn't stopped with his obsessionary.

526
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: With with with with me. He's putting me.

527
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: He's posted me on some sucker ship, on his ship,

528
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, like a couple of times. You know what

529
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying, His little his little lap dog tony yeo

530
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: runs his mouth about about ship.

531
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 2: See see, I'm not running from no smoke.

532
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: I got it. I got a good crew, you know

533
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And we ain't running from nobody. You know,

534
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: I be doldo a lot because I don't I don't

535
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 1: try to still be still portraying this tough guy ship.

536
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 2: I just don't.

537
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: I don't come on this internet with that. That's the

538
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: worst shit to do. But these niggas continue to get

539
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: on here and try to play this tough guy ship

540
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: over the internet when really there's nothing tough that fifty's

541
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: done to anybody. And surely all the stories I've heard

542
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: about yo yo, and like it's nothing tough that he's done.

543
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, so I'm not with all

544
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: that all that internet gangster shit, my nigga, you know

545
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, These niggas, and because they got money

546
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: and influence, then that's the narrative that everybody will hop on.

547
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: But one thing I do know is that the.

548
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: Outside in this are two totally different worlds, two totally

549
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: different worlds, you know what I'm saying.

550
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 2: On this.

551
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: Let nigga say what we want to say, do what

552
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: you want to do, but out here it's different, you

553
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I just think these niggas

554
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: give is given the wrong impression of people. I think

555
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: all these years of what fifty does, his demographic of

556
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: people are just like him. They have to be mad

557
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: because they ain't got shit hating them on the next person.

558
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: His whole makeup is just a hater, a jealous hater.

559
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: You know a lot of this is over women. You

560
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: could tell he never was really go with the chicks.

561
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: Niggas like him never really good with the chicks. They

562
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: too hard for their own shit. You know what I'm saying.

563
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: What if they did a documentary on him and interviewed

564
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: all his exits, or if they did it, or or

565
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: even interviewed ship about his mom. Rest in peace to

566
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: his mom and all the ship that she was going

567
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: through out there in the streets to see brought a

568
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: puffy's mam. What if they interviewed everybody in g unit

569
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: that don't even fuck with him no more, all the

570
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: artists that he signed. What about they interview or Mari

571
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: Harwick over there with U with over there with power

572
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: and that and that made him rich?

573
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: Or because has a lot of issues with that.

574
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: Huh you don't think he was getting Oh whoa, whoa,

575
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: Look what if they did it?

576
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: What if see we got you got you gotta makes

577
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: you fair? I know when did he go out? When

578
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: did he come home? Uh?

579
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: You know, Uh, he's gonna return the favor. We're gonna

580
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: get a fifty cent documentary. We gonna see the rail.

581
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: What about the nigga God be who you know? Rest

582
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: in peace to God Be? You know what I'm saying.

583
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 1: South Side Jamaica Queen's legend. That was the rare one

584
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: who shot him and then walked around Queens for the

585
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: next until he died in natural causes a couple of

586
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: years ago.

587
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: What about that?

588
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: Why aren't we hearing any of that fifty got a

589
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: lot of money to control the narrative.

590
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 2: See on the internet, the world of the Internet.

591
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: When you see all these posts big enough fifty and

592
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: praising them, these are paid posts. They paid big money

593
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: to tech firms to control his narrative. Eminem has been

594
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: doing it forever. Bots ads, big up pieces, pieces that

595
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: just big you up. And you see the headlines. Ain't

596
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: nobody stupid? I mean that people have seen them. So

597
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: that whole thing with the bots and all that is real.

598
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: Oh man, twenty two years. I've been going through these

599
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: ship with these bots.

600
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: You know that bots when the same message comes in

601
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: from two different pages, but at a time, can't nobody

602
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: from over here and over here say the same things?

603
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: You know that bots they pretty much control the media?

604
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: Is they control? And then when you see all these

605
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: they paying motherfucker They got budgets a year for motherfuckers

606
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: to sit there all day and just do all this.

607
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: They can't they run out, you know, getting their money

608
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: doing this. They controlling that. But like I said, that's

609
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: only on the internet.

610
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: Now. Sure the Internet is very impressionable.

611
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: A lot of people are on this shit daily, But

612
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: I still got real faith with real niggas in the

613
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: real world. That's why I like as much street shit

614
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: as I did. Still, I don't never get on here

615
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: and talk about none of that with any of the

616
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: niggas out into the street shit with Very rarely you'll

617
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: even see me with pictures or any of my niggas

618
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: back home in Boston. And like I said, I got

619
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: a gold crew. I got a green like gold crew

620
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: that had no problem with nothing instilled, don't And I

621
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: took care of a lot of niggas the right way.

622
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm a solid nigga still, like I spread the love

623
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: you know when I had it. So that's a recipe

624
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: for later on in life. You ain't got to worry

625
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: about no nigga, you know what I'm saying, Lungt. You've

626
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: got a few good men out here. There's nothing to

627
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: worry about. I don't worry about. I go about my

628
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: day every day. I love people. I show love. Is

629
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: never no hating bone in my body for the next man.

630
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: Should I love when niggas get it, you know what

631
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But when you see his actions in this documentary,

632
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean, the documentary ain't really nothing but some old

633
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: ass interviews that people already seen on YouTube. It's like

634
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: he went to every look at YouTube, everybody disrespecting. Did

635
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: he wait and interviewed, paid him? You know what I'm saying,

636
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: And then Colleena Capricorn. You know what I'm saying, all

637
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: these other motherfucks paid them.

638
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

639
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: These people Bess screen Man. Now listen, I'm not defending Diddy.

640
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: This ain't it defend Diddy.

641
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: You know?

642
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: Did he told Stevie J when I was fucking with

643
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: Stevie Wait before love and hip hop to not even

644
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: hang around me, to watch out for me me? And

645
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: did he got adult song together? Did he spend mad

646
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: money with the Source magazine? So our relationship is really business,

647
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's not personal.

648
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: A lot of people come into this industry and get.

649
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: They personal emotions involved. It's a fucking business and it's

650
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: cut thoat, more cut thoat than the streets.

651
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: So you can't have you can't be mad with a

652
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: nigga backstab you when you was dealing with this nigga.

653
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: Business wise, all the big moguls, all the major moguls

654
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: in the industry that have been the revolver door at

655
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: all the labels.

656
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: These motherfuckers have fucked so many artists.

657
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: But the problem is one day you might get hot

658
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: again and you might need them again.

659
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: So if they fucked you, you.

660
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: Just kind of let god, let it slide and just

661
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: understand it was business of the of the music industry.

662
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: So in other words, you can't take back stabbing serious

663
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: and be sensitive about it in the music industry. Street

664
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: niggas have a hard time dealing with that.

665
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, some people can't reconcilee lets some people are not

666
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: letting none in the slab.

667
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: Is you know?

668
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: You know that.

669
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: Say that against tale you went out, I say it's

670
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 3: you know, street people have a hard time reconciling that.

671
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: Sometimes they're not letting nothing like nah man, you know.

672
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: And that's the problem of putting street shit on the internet.

673
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: Man, Reil Street nigga should have never got on the

674
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: internet with street shit.

675
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: I see it every day.

676
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get to no arguments, no back

677
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: and forth, content, clout fucking argument with niggas. So I'm

678
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: gonna be mentioning no names, man, but real niggas bringing

679
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: real street shit has fucked over so many people in

680
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: these last ten years. You know what I'm saying, I mean,

681
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: you're just helped we have become so much, well not we,

682
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: but the Internet, social media has become such an assistance

683
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: to the Feds and the police out there that it is.

684
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: You know, I've never seen nothing like it, you know

685
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like the do it too much.

686
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: The one thing I saw in this whole Didny thing, man,

687
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: it's the fact that they brought up Tupac's murder again. Right,

688
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: they both got you go, I don't know what the

689
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: still how about knock?

690
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: Can you hear me much better? Can you hear me?

691
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. Must be a city. No, Yes.

692
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: The one thing that you know I saw this whole

693
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: Diddy thing is that they brought up the whole Tupac

694
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: murder again. They brought up Tupac's murder again, they bought

695
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: a Biggies murder again, and they kind of yeah, okay,

696
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: So the one thing I see on the on this

697
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: in this documentary, right yeah, is that they brought up

698
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: the Tupac murder again, and they brought the Biggie Smalls

699
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: murder and indirectly pointed to Puffy being involved with both

700
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: of those things. The man is already serving time. And

701
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: I think everybody on the streets know who killed Tupac

702
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: at this point, right, I don't even know why that's

703
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: a subject still to this day, right because the streets

704
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: knew who.

705
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: Saw dead So Diddy, so Diddy, So Diddy was involved

706
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: when when the dog, when the dog Pound Chang got

707
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: taken on the death row got Chak Chang got taken.

708
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: Then Diddy was involved in Vegas when they stomped out

709
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: or landing, though, I guess, like make it make sense,

710
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: like make it make sense to see to me, that's

711
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: dry snic You trying to open up some worms on

712
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: this nigga. You really want the nigga locked up for life,

713
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And then the nigga goes

714
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: and does interviews with Good More in America about it?

715
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: What the fuck is Good More in America got to

716
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: do with us? You see what I'm saying, Like that

717
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: his moves show too much hate and anger towards black

718
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 1: its peers. These are the black men in the industry

719
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: that he's in.

720
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

721
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: When you bring up murder, when when when when you

722
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: put murder involved with your documentary, then yeah, you you

723
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: really taking it too far? You really like you really

724
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: you don't care about the victims. You don't give a

725
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: fuck about that. You care about yourself and how you look,

726
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: and how when you talk to your baby mom's son,

727
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: the son you had with, how those conversations go, and

728
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: how embarrassed you must feel.

729
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: See, that's really what it is like.

730
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: Ain't no reason you should be bringing up any type

731
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: of any isn't killing in the documentary unless you really

732
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: want a nigga locked up?

733
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. So let me ask you

734
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: this Bizino, what was Puffy doing with that girl? It

735
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: was this pre fifty year after they was messed around.

736
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean I only know from

737
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: the from from what seemed. But when you just take

738
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: it from a listen, the industry man, the power that

739
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: Puff had, you know, he just abused it. Puffy's problems

740
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: is he abused his power. He never got help for

741
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: his drug habit, and and and and he didn't pay.

742
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: The people that he should have paid. See those three things.

743
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: If you would have fixed those three things, his life

744
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like this right now. It's easy to get

745
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: millions and millions of dollars and be impressionable on women.

746
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: You know how easy that is. You get ten million

747
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: dollars a day.

748
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: Still, Man, you can have any woman you want, and

749
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: you can have me married, you can have anybody.

750
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: That's just what it is right now.

751
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: And that doesn't go for everybody, but man, people can

752
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: be bought for a cheese toast right now. And that's

753
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: a fact, and and and and you know it's unfortunate,

754
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: but that just.

755
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: Shows you the shape we are as a culture.

756
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: And you know, this Internet should be helping our culture,

757
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: and it's steady dividing us. It's it's letting other cultures,

758
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: it's letting white people pretty much have an opinion have

759
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: an opinion on us.

760
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: On us.

761
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: We're doing the worst shit, like we're embarrassing ourselves daily

762
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: on this ship. Instead of producing an algorithm for our

763
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: culture that is uplifting and helps the culture, all we

764
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: do is use the algorithm to divide us beef and

765
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of bullshit, which is entertaining the white people

766
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: because they don't they don't mind us crashing out. They

767
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: love that shit. You know, on slavery, they used to

768
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: watch two bucks go out and kill them, you know,

769
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: when one.

770
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: Get killed they with that shit.

771
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: They've been entertained by that since the beginning of time,

772
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: so they could just put on their phone and watch

773
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: us and comment on us and over the clown shit

774
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: that were doing. And how can we say anything to

775
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: them when we throw it to each other, Although it's like,

776
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: fuck them anyone that goes against us, and I still

777
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: in all you comments and all that, because none of

778
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: you will approach me in life ever. So you know,

779
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: I let motherfucker say what the fuck they want, because really,

780
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we're not running to

781
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: their algorithm. They run into our algorithm. We really don't

782
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: give a fuck what they're doing. They only care about

783
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: what we're doing. So at least let's get the algorithm

784
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: right and stop fucking with each other. Once they see

785
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: fifty tear down Diddies, they're the first ones to hop

786
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: on that. They the first ones to hop on that.

787
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: See a lot of us don't already forgave Diddy, because

788
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: that's how we are as a black people still. You know,

789
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: we're forgiving people. We realize on what's what has been

790
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: put up against us and what we have to overcome

791
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: just to survive out here. So we kind of we

792
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: kind of understand that for each other, and men and

793
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: women forgive shit, God forgave so who of us not

794
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: to forgive? But when somebody's constantly tearing you down, tearing down,

795
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: I mean tore down jay Z tear down.

796
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 2: Did he tear down everybody?

797
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: He won't tear down noads though I noticed. I know,

798
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: I see Nas fucking with Prince and Preim and you

799
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and the whole ship salute to

800
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: the Supreme Team, real niggas. But he won't say he's

801
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: real careful to say something about nods. See he picking shoes.

802
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: You think you're afraid to go it?

803
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: Nas? I mean he's you know, he's picking shoes.

804
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: Ship now I's getting ready to major ship all kind

805
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: of casinos and everything. He ain't said a word about

806
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: us interaction, Not that I want him to or not

807
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: that up, but it's like he says everything about everybody else.

808
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: You know what.

809
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 3: One of the things that I find interesting, right is

810
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: that when death Row was going on, and you know,

811
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 3: Sugar and was doing their thing over there, without a doubt, right,

812
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 3: Jimmy Ivien still came out on top.

813
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: Right.

814
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: He left with doctor Dre left with Doctor Drake. Jimmy

815
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 3: always winds up. He always winds up on top. It's

816
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: like he can't lose. The black executive always takes a

817
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 3: loss messing with him. It seems like, yeah, that's a

818
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: great that's a great point. I mean, but nobody has

819
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: any negative to say about Jimmy. What do you think

820
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: that is?

821
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: Oh? Because he got the money.

822
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: See, even back then, everybody's real careful to talk about Eminem.

823
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: You know, you got guys talking about Eminem now, Like

824
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: I watch.

825
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: What's my man's name?

826
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: From Brand Nubian sleut to Brand Nubian Legendary, no group,

827
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, love that group, but what's

828
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: his name? And he's just now coming out saying shit

829
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: about him? And m I'm like, Nigga, where it was

830
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: you twenty some years ago?

831
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: Like Lord Jamar, Lord Jamar, that say, Lord Jamarsh.

832
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: Lord Jamar got a lot to say now, But where

833
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: the fuck was he twenty years ago? When?

834
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: When? When? When? You know, when all this was going on.

835
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: See, everybody was scared to say something back then because

836
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: they they was afraid that it would hurt their career.

837
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: But now with the Internet, Jimmy and they got the

838
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: same power, no more so. Now you know, everybody can

839
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: say what they want to say. But where the fuck

840
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: was you twenty years ago when I was out there

841
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: throwing bombs this nigga for the same shit you saying now,

842
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: you ain't saying nothing new.

843
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: You see two two decades too late, nigga, the shit

844
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: you saying? I said back? And what O two O three?

845
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: Come on? Make it make sense.

846
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: You know, you know these niggas picking shoes, they beefs

847
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: They picking shoes who they beef with.

848
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

849
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: You know I've seen the post today said don't pick

850
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: and choose your beef. Stop on any nigga that disrespects you.

851
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know it's Jimmy Iven. Jimmy Iveen has

852
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: always had the money, Who got the money, caused the shots.

853
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: You got a white man that made a whole song

854
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: called rock and roll nigga, and nobody know. You know

855
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 2: what I mean. Niggas still do it. Nigga. You know

856
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: I get it. I did business with him. You know

857
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I mean, well, he he had that

858
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: money back then.

859
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna be a hit hypocrite shit He

860
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 1: signed Ray Ray, I didn't give a f I didn't

861
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: even know about Ron, you know, so I don't My

862
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: thing is man, I just I just feel like, listen,

863
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: you can't take away the music that Jimmy has done,

864
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: especially with Dre, Like Chronic is probably my number one

865
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: album all time. Dre's probably my number one producer all time.

866
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, major influence on my life

867
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: and my career. But you know, when you look at

868
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: when you look at where hip hop went and where

869
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: White America went with hip hop, everything that.

870
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: I said back there happened. You know, they.

871
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: Actually have a whole They actually have a whole nother

872
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: genre of hip hop. You know that he'll bill hip

873
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 3: hop he'll be and they don't and they don't really

874
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: they don't really like black folks around you feel me, bro, Bro, Listen.

875
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: They they have continued to take shit from us and

876
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: run with it, right. You know the funny thing in

877
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: radio is you know pop radio, Now, that's where the

878
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: money's at. You know what I'm saying, The money's over there.

879
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: So whenever you can take from us and then water

880
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: it down, go over to pop and make all the money.

881
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 1: Because that's why all the white people who ain't fucking

882
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: with niggas in R and B are gonna fuck with

883
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: you at mm hm. You know what I'm saying, These

884
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: people think that everybody really thinks that for some reason,

885
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, man Like, for some reason, people love

886
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: bowing the fuck down. Man, people love like I'd rather

887
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: have no money in my pocket and stand up for

888
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: what I believe in to have a bunch of money

889
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: and keep bowing down the motherfuckers. Man, I don't know

890
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: what's the matter with people. I'mna be honest. Money ain't

891
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: the end all be all. I can say that I've

892
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: had millions and I've had nothing.

893
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: The only difference is you can't do things when you

894
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: want to do it.

895
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: But man, if you got just enough to be happy

896
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: for the days, the things that you need to stay fly,

897
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: whatever little smoking weeds, whatever, you know what I'm saying,

898
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: fresh gear, fresh cut, then listen, man, you can go

899
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: get it. It's the journey of getting money is really

900
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: the happiness and really what keeps you alive. You know,

901
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: It's the journey of setting goals for yourself and whatever

902
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: money you get along the way, you know what I'm saying,

903
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: then you can enjoy it for that moment. See a

904
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: black man get money ain't like white man get money.

905
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: A black man has people all around him that he's

906
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: grown up with that he felt sorry for, that he

907
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: ends up helping. That's how we are. White man can

908
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: grow up around a motherfucker and don't get him shit,

909
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: and the motherfucker won't even be mad at him.

910
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely don't have the same obligations we do.

911
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: I don't know.

912
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: That's why it's hard for a black man to keep money.

913
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's like, man, you was ready, Yeah, but I had

914
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: a lot of people. I was taking care of a

915
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 1: lot of shit, and I was frivolously spending some too,

916
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: because I ain't know about saving money, and all I

917
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: knew about is balling now and selling drugs whatever.

918
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: So I didn't learn.

919
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: I learned, But a black man having money isn't the

920
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: same as a white man having money.

921
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: Well, we just saw the recent thing with Odell Beckham.

922
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: He was talking about his one hundred million dollar contract.

923
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: A lot of people gave him a lot of grief

924
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: because he said it wasn't what people thought it was.

925
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 3: And I understood what he was seeing a lot of people,

926
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: you know, threw shots at that man, But I said,

927
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: you know what you got, tax You have family, you

928
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: have homeboys, you have all these different people pulling.

929
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 1: In lawyers, lawyers and agents. Taxes, lawyers, agents are wiping

930
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: out fifty to sixty percent right there, exactly, and that

931
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: the agents facts is are wiping out sixty percent off rip. Now,

932
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: the other forty eight is going to be your lifestyle

933
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: and who you helping and who you taking care of?

934
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: Everybody in your family the usual usually when the ny

935
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: get money, everybody else mother, father, aunts, uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters,

936
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: ain't got shit.

937
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 2: Welcome to black Welcome to the black struggle in America.

938
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: We know that. So what the fuck? You ain't gonna

939
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: turn your backs. You can't turn your back on nobody.

940
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: I didn't.

941
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: Now I will say that man had one hundred million dollars.

942
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 3: He should have some paper left over, right, should have

943
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: some He shouldn't be broke. But there's a lot of

944
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 3: people that that hundred million got a lot of pressure

945
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: on it. Man.

946
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 2: It's being pulled different ways.

947
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, And you know, like I said, man, it's lifestyle.

948
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: You know the thing with money is you you live

949
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: a lot. Money is a lifestyle. When you get a

950
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: lot of money, so you want to lift that lifestyle,

951
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: that lifestyle becomes super expensive. Your monthly bills are ridiculous

952
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: nine times out of ten. You don't have too much

953
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: account in history and banking history as far as being

954
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: money knowledgeable. But you know, you know, money is the institution.

955
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: You know, you you gotta you gotta, you gotta, you

956
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: gotta know about money. You know what I'm saying to

957
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: have it? You know, I with the money I started having,

958
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know about it. I mean, I was hustling

959
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: the street making a level of money that was a

960
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: lot for me for a long time selling heroin Cochin.

961
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: We but man, the bunny, I was getting with the

962
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: source with some other money, and then I'm getting million

963
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: dollar record dials. You know what I'm saying with a

964
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: few labels. I'm just man, Money's coming from everywhere, you

965
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Shit, I didn't, man, listen, man,

966
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: I never even knew how much at one point I

967
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: was even spending. Probably still don't. It was like a

968
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,479
Speaker 1: blur to me. It was like five years of a blur,

969
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. There was only I only

970
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: lasted five years you know what I mean. So, yeah,

971
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: when you were kid, straight out the street, no college education,

972
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: What the fuck do you know about spending money? I

973
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: don't even have to savings accou shit. I shit stayed

974
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: in checking man. Listen, I spent it. Motherfucker's back. Man,

975
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: you lost that money. I didn't lose shit. I spent it.

976
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: Ain't lost nothing. Who the fuck lost some? I put

977
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: it back into the economy. What do we do? We

978
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: buy cars? You buy jew out. You know, closed many

979
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: pair of real fucking CARDI years. I probably spend maybe

980
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars on cardy years and I don't

981
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: got one of them yet. I've lost, broken, stolen all

982
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: the glasses all I think back now the jewelry call it.

983
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean, we man wasteful shit. But that's the lifestyle.

984
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I don't regret nothing. Shit.

985
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: It was what it was. Man.

986
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 3: We definitely got a lot going on the coach. And

987
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 3: now we've seen a lot of people go to jail now,

988
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of people getting snatched off

989
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 3: the streets right now, man, And there's ninety percent due

990
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: to this internet.

991
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a shame because nobody's recognizing that.

992
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: Man. We have a lot of.

993
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 3: Really people that were really powerful in the street, right

994
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 3: they're getting taken off the street and going to e jail

995
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: man because there's something to see it online.

996
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: I mean, because you know what it is as black folks, man,

997
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: everybody wanted attention, and before the Internet, you're only only

998
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: the talented ones had attention. The ones who are really

999
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: talented get the attention whatever they did, however they entertained.

1000
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: Or if you was a nigga in the hood, you

1001
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: was just that hood nigga that was good with the girls,

1002
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: or robbing niggas, are scaring niggas of shoot niggas, and

1003
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 1: you got your attention that way. But there's a good

1004
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: part of society that gets no attention that wanted. And

1005
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: when the Internet came, this is right now when you

1006
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: look at all the foolishingness that's on here, everybody wants it.

1007
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: Everybody wants attention, and it's just like what the Internet

1008
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: has done to hip hop.

1009
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of devalued it.

1010
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: When we had the Source magazine, it was a protocol,

1011
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, it was a standard that people had to

1012
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: be held if you was going to be you know,

1013
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 1: entertaining in the culture. Your shit had to be dope.

1014
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: You know, we was the gatekeepers to make sure that

1015
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: people say what they want. But when me and Dave

1016
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: ran the source, those were some of the best years

1017
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: hip hop ever had, hip hop ever seen.

1018
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 3: I remember, Man the mics made it and broke careers,

1019
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: career made and broken up the white thing. Man the person.

1020
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 3: Man got five mics. Man, they became a lection nine

1021
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: times up of teen.

1022
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: It's set the standard.

1023
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: It's set the standard that you just couldn't go in

1024
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: the studio, that anybody could be a rapper, anybody could

1025
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: be ignored. Set the standard. You know, these motherfuckers now

1026
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: don't even rap. There's there they're they're they're on the

1027
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: internet for some ships and some silly ship that did

1028
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: next thing. You know, they're getting a lot of looks

1029
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: and then they go to the studio and try to

1030
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: make a song. And it's worked for a lot of people.

1031
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: And I don't hate on that, you know what I'm saying,

1032
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's dem valued the sound and the music.

1033
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for the producers out here that have

1034
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: really been the only thing that have stepped up. You

1035
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, don't give me runs a lot

1036
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 1: of dope artists that are dope too, But the production

1037
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: is really is what carrying hip hop for the last.

1038
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: Sure it always as you know.

1039
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, Well, not always it was one time.

1040
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: There are times when you know, I mean in the

1041
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: nineties it was about lyrics.

1042
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 2: Production too. But now the production with the.

1043
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: Technology, technology, with the technology and the advancement in you know,

1044
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: software and drum machines and sounds and everything. I mean,

1045
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: these young niggas is making some amazing music, you know,

1046
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: as far as production wise, you know what I'm saying.

1047
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: So that's really what's been carrying it.

1048
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: One of the things you got to look at though,

1049
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 3: Cash Money, man, Cash Money been going for a long time.

1050
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: Man.

1051
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 3: I tell people all the time that Cash Money is

1052
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 3: probably the greatest label of all time. You know, we

1053
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: could talk about Death Rold, we could talk about all

1054
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 3: these other labels, right, But Slim and Baby they have

1055
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 3: been going for a long time.

1056
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: Bro.

1057
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you gotta look at it. I would

1058
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: say they're in. They're what two hip hop is now

1059
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: to what death Jam was. I mean death to me,

1060
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: death jam will always be the greatest label to me

1061
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: because that was the label that they represented a whole

1062
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: different area.

1063
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know I'm talking about like as far as

1064
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 3: independent man labels, well.

1065
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: That's dependent they cash money ain't been independent for a

1066
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: while now, for.

1067
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 2: A long time. Yeah, you're right, but swimming baby I

1068
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 2: can think of. But I could say that talent.

1069
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: Wise with the with Drake, Wayne, Nikki, them three alone

1070
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: you you and.

1071
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: Since those artists came in with the end to the

1072
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 2: social media, it took it to a whole different level.

1073
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1074
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: You know a lot of artists didn't have the luxury

1075
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: of social media back then. They only had the luxury

1076
00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: of the sauce back then.

1077
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: You feel me. Yeah that's true.

1078
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So without us, where the fun would they be?

1079
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1080
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: Didn't he huh? Elliott came from the sores, didn't he?

1081
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: That was my son. Everything he knew, everything he knew

1082
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: came from the source.

1083
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: Still and he brought over the x Excel you know

1084
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: on some on some uh on some trees and shit.

1085
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That happens Coke PEPSI. You

1086
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. McDonald's Burger King. I get it,

1087
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

1088
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. We was a standard. You know, the people

1089
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 2: don't know that. People that ran to.

1090
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: X Excel, the ones that owned it were they were

1091
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: a corporation of white guys that owned hunting magazine, Golf magazine,

1092
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: failed and streamed all these white, white, white magazines and

1093
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: they just said, oh, ship sauce making money, Hey, we

1094
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: can add one more magazine to it. They were like

1095
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: a publishing house. They really they didn't even give a

1096
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: fuck about the culture, knew nothing about the culture. They

1097
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: just copied our whole blueprint. And then Elliott went from

1098
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: us and went over there.

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00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So they so they do you think they

1100
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: reprove the Eliot to go over and kind of to

1101
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 2: try to do.

1102
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: But you know, when you look at Elliott, it's, man,

1103
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: you look at Elliott, you'd be like, damn, I'm blad.

1104
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand hip hop is all exclusive now,

1105
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: but it's.

1106
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: Like, man, I'm glad I'm not on that side of

1107
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: the hip hop like because you know, Elliott is Elliott

1108
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: represents that extra bougie educated college ye. You know what

1109
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 1: I'm saying, hip hop from the fucking streets man. Now

1110
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: sure as always it always will be. So if you

1111
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: ain't got no fucking connection to the streets, and you always,

1112
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: in my eyes, you'll always be an outside.

1113
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: I felt like that just day one.

1114
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: Now, being an outside it doesn't mean that you can't

1115
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: be a part doesn't being an outside it doesn't mean

1116
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: you can't be a part of it. I'm not saying that.

1117
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: But as far as being into hip hop, yeah you ain't. Yeah,

1118
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: if you ain't from the streets or knew about the

1119
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: streets or struggled the way you did from the streets.

1120
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of guys when they go

1121
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: to college and they get educated, they turn their back

1122
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: on the streets. A lot of guys put on their

1123
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: khakis and shade, they posture up a little more, and

1124
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: they don't fuck with you. They don't fuck with the streets.

1125
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: But now that hip hop is from the streets making

1126
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: all this money, everybody want to the little piece of

1127
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: the streets. You know what I'm saying. The niggas like Elliott,

1128
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: when you look at his style and look at you know,

1129
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm glad he left the sauce. Anybody he ain't our

1130
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: cup of tea.

1131
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 2: Oh Elliott Man. Shout out to Elliott Shout to Elliott, Man.

1132
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, man, Well, man, I appreciate

1133
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: you man, coming to sit down man with your boy. Man.

1134
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 2: I really appreciate that. That's big, bro.

1135
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 3: We gotta do this again. Stall fuck that she gotta

1136
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 3: make this whole right. Well, do it again. You know

1137
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 3: what man, I'm about to You know, I'm about to

1138
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 3: move down. I'm about to move down your way man,

1139
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, good shit, it's gonna be a whole bunch

1140
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 3: of stuff. I'm gonna holler at you bought, you know,

1141
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 3: off the air.

1142
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 2: Man.

1143
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 3: You know, you got people lift man and like to

1144
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 3: duplicate what people do, so we got to move the

1145
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 3: style sometimes. But I'm about to be down on your way, mom.

1146
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: Man, come on down here, man, And this makes it happening.

1147
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 3: Man.

1148
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: You know, the thing is still you know, there's a

1149
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 2: there's a gender.

1150
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: Out here and a narrative that's being pushed, and we

1151
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: have to continue to do our thing the way we

1152
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: do it because there's a great, big demographic that really

1153
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: understands what what the fuck we're talking about.

1154
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: And until until.

1155
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: All the sucker ship is removed out of hip hop

1156
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: and we just got to keep hitting them in.

1157
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 2: The head man.

1158
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: So, and we got to keep educate these young guys

1159
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: out here. There's too much misinformation. We got to be

1160
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: the ones that really give it to them raw. We

1161
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: gotta be the real unks and ogs who who to

1162
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: guys who might not have that father figure in their

1163
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: life or that or that older guidance. We got to

1164
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: be that nigga instead of the nigga that's trying to

1165
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: hype up everything and having these kids crash out.

1166
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: So you know what I'm saying, I'm listen, bro, you

1167
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 2: call me anytime.

1168
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 3: I'm there's too much of that man. And on that note,

1169
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 3: we got to hear y'all love bro. Well, that concludes

1170
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 3: another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast. We should have

1171
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,680
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1172
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,040
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1173
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Speaker 3: of your screen, subscribe to the show, leave of comment

1174
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,480
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1175
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 3: of Norman Steel, Aaron M. C a Tyler, our visual

1176
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: media director is Brian Wyatt, and our audio editors tell

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