WEBVTT - Ep. 19: Bear Grease [Render] - High Speed Chases, Kindergarten Ricky, and Boone's Death

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production

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<v Speaker 1>tense moment today with Mr new we bothering you anything

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<v Speaker 1>like I was playing Candy Crush. He's on the He's

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<v Speaker 1>on the Grease podcast. He's a little bit overwhelming that

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<v Speaker 1>for those of us who have alternate jobs in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>it can kind of dominate your life a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I love it as the outsider coming

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<v Speaker 1>in the Bear Grease is in a full time position.

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<v Speaker 1>Full time. We do that poorly, so you gotta have

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<v Speaker 1>your side hustle, like welcome to the Bear Grease Render. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very excited about today. I uh, I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to say. Oh man, I've got a lot to say. Yea, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the dozer. Hey, We've got we've got one person that

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<v Speaker 1>is back from wherever they came from. We've got one

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<v Speaker 1>new person on the Bear Grease Render. We've got three

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<v Speaker 1>three old hats. We've got three to our left, to

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<v Speaker 1>my left, Missy newcom Welcome back, Misty, Misty necomes. Birthday

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<v Speaker 1>today goes special. I love birthdays. You stop having them,

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<v Speaker 1>there's an issue, So happy birthday too. Misty's left. Maliki Nichols, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>did you hear did you hear? You got a shout

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<v Speaker 1>out on the last render, I didn't. Oh, okay, that

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<v Speaker 1>means you didn't. That was a test, No, we said,

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<v Speaker 1>we said, uh, someone was dressed like Maliki Nichols. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember who it was. You said the stand dude,

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<v Speaker 1>they were well dressed though that they were well dressed,

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<v Speaker 1>and they yeah, they like Maliki Nichols. Where you been, man, Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been grinding, just doing what you have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to tell people what you do for

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<v Speaker 1>a living? Sure? Sure? Like I I worked for education

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<v Speaker 1>nonprofit UM and so I manage and developed programs for

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<v Speaker 1>school districts and state leaders. So I'm traveling around the

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<v Speaker 1>state and working hard. And you're in Arkansas hunting license holder.

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<v Speaker 1>I am two years in a row. Two years in

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<v Speaker 1>a row. It's real good, supporting conservation, conservation warrior. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a trim, real serious. To your left, the new man

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<v Speaker 1>in the render in the circle in the arena, Jonathan Webster, Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad to be here. Listen. It's like winning the contest.

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<v Speaker 1>You just listen to enough episodes and it's like you

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<v Speaker 1>submit your your applicates. What it felt like when you

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<v Speaker 1>got the invite? Listen, it was experience. I looked at

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<v Speaker 1>my wife and said, it's happening. That's happening. Jonathan is

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<v Speaker 1>a longtime friend of ours. He and his wife are

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<v Speaker 1>longtime friends of Missing And Jonathan has been on the

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<v Speaker 1>Bear Hunting magazine podcast. Yeah man, we went coon, honey

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<v Speaker 1>and uh we did. We also had a different We've

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<v Speaker 1>been on a couple episodes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can I

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<v Speaker 1>help give Jonathan an introduct I mean, Jonathan is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most intellectually curious people. Oh my gosh, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this is sorry. Hey, y'all just saw something that happened

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<v Speaker 1>that that defines my life. Like I know why Jonathan

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<v Speaker 1>is here. It's like, I'm like, Jonathan needs to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea why. He's the most intellectually curious

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<v Speaker 1>person we know. And I'm like, that's it. I got

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<v Speaker 1>it right. You see what I'm saying, Like, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>with your guy? Yeah, I do. And I've found it

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<v Speaker 1>to be right a lot wrong. Something. I'm putting that

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<v Speaker 1>on my resume. You got called out do your left

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Daniel Route hey Man home run appearance on The

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<v Speaker 1>Burgers podcast. It was great. Hey, really, i I've listened

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<v Speaker 1>to it multiple times. Are in the conversation and what

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<v Speaker 1>you guys wouldn't know, and again the reason for the

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<v Speaker 1>burglary strangers to go behind the scenes. Dan and I

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<v Speaker 1>talked for probably thirty six point to five minutes exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>and we had multiple do overs of certain parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation because it was a complex conversation. We and

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<v Speaker 1>we had these little different pieces and it was stitched

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<v Speaker 1>together as if it was just I couldn't even tell.

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<v Speaker 1>I told my wife when I heard it, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>he really makes somebody sound smarter than I thought, Dan, Rupe,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't that It really was the stuff about and and

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<v Speaker 1>you brought home the point that I wanted to see

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<v Speaker 1>inside the whole podcast, which was Boone's finger rent on

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<v Speaker 1>us where we didn't even know it. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>to come back to that section because I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>was incredible to your left, Brent Reeves, Brent, everybody good

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<v Speaker 1>to see it, man, it is good to be seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for thanks for coming. BRIT's name has been popping

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<v Speaker 1>up quite a bit in the Canada. I could when

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it, I could hardly call him Brent. I

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<v Speaker 1>had to call it. I wanted to calm Velvet as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as he talked. I just thought, velvet, I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea what that guy is talking about. Hey, his

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<v Speaker 1>name was white Tail. Would a maker. I'm available to

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<v Speaker 1>narrate your laugh but he just all right, you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>get you gotta start a cameo account. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>that is. I think this is a great idea. I

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<v Speaker 1>support this. I think it's I think that's what it's called.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an app where you can have you pay to

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<v Speaker 1>have people like wish you happy birthday. Yeah. So basically

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<v Speaker 1>you said up this. I mean, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>it works, but I didn't charge, so you could do.

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<v Speaker 1>You could charge. You can charge whatever you wanted. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know there's like one time for ten million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's worth a shot. And they were all retiring everybody. Okay, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I have dramatically overreacted. Okay, y'all remember too ago when

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<v Speaker 1>I came in with my tail between my legs saying

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<v Speaker 1>that I had been called out, the whistle had been

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<v Speaker 1>blown when I told the story of the game warden

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<v Speaker 1>and our friend Alex was like, Clay, you've lost a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of credibility because you told the story and you

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<v Speaker 1>embellished it. Man, I finally listened to the story myself. Man, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>nice trial. This reminds me I'm gonna go back to

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<v Speaker 1>another story in my life that I feel like now

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<v Speaker 1>I might have overreacted. Were you in a courtroom at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. I remember when I was in kindergarten. I

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<v Speaker 1>wish Gary Nucolm was here. When I was in kindergarten,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a boy named Ricky, and if anybody wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to like look him up, I'd like to talk to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky usually he kindergarten. Ricky never made it to first grade.

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky like he was just in and out, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to our school system. I presumably, I don't know. Ricky

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<v Speaker 1>keyed in on the fact that I did not cuss. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it must have been a rough class I think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, do a lot of kidding. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But he keyed in on it, and he could tell that,

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<v Speaker 1>like I was very dead set on not ain't bad words.

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<v Speaker 1>And he started going, hey, Clay, I heard you say

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<v Speaker 1>a bad word. And I would just be like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you did, Ricky, And he tormented me for weeks by saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I can still see the twinkle in his eye,

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<v Speaker 1>and I this was a defining moment of my young manhood.

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<v Speaker 1>I marched up to Gary nucom after weeks of this,

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<v Speaker 1>I just took a deep breath. I mean it was vivid.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like I was like manning up and I said, Dad,

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<v Speaker 1>if you get a call from my teacher and she

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<v Speaker 1>says that I said a bad word, it's not true

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<v Speaker 1>because I didn't. There's a boy in my class name

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky that that is accusing me of saying bad words

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't now. And Gary Nuclem just said, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for telling me, Son, I really appreciate you telling me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just bringing this to me. Okay, I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>now that I'm in my early forties that perhaps overreacted.

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<v Speaker 1>Rickey's middle name is Alex Hey. So you remember I

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<v Speaker 1>told you I had not listened to the Meteor Campfire Stories.

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<v Speaker 1>So for someone who hadn't caught up on this, I

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<v Speaker 1>told a story in effort to talk about the Meteor

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<v Speaker 1>camp Fire Stories audio book that's out right now. I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't listened to the story someone. And I might even

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<v Speaker 1>reveal who that someone was. I've been hiding their identity

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<v Speaker 1>because I felt like they had told me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a bad story. Does your eye contact in this room

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<v Speaker 1>indicate who that person is? No, they're not down here here.

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<v Speaker 1>So I tell the story on the on the render,

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<v Speaker 1>and then people are like, Clay, you told the story back. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to this worry. Finally, when I was driving

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<v Speaker 1>the Canada last week, Man, there were just a few

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<v Speaker 1>minor details minor. The only thing that I put in

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<v Speaker 1>there that I can recall from memory of what I

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<v Speaker 1>said was I said there was a high speed car chase.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no high speed car chase. Okay, is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. High speed car chases almost every hazards. It

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<v Speaker 1>would have been an embellishment if I had said the

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<v Speaker 1>game boarding came up on two wheels and ramps. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I told the story, I mean very close to

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<v Speaker 1>that one dramatic high speed he was chasing the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He saw the lights, and he saw the guy turned

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<v Speaker 1>down the road, and he goes to the road. I

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<v Speaker 1>presume he was going above the speed limit, Okay. I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I doubt he was like, well, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just toddle around up here. But I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>it was a high speed Carson was not, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was just like that he went to a mud hole.

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<v Speaker 1>He got out with his flashlight this game boarden and

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<v Speaker 1>looked in the mud hole. Did not perceive that a

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle had driven through it. He was like, was coining

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<v Speaker 1>about five miles. And he said, and it was just

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<v Speaker 1>like that. The sociopath who was wanted for attempted homicide

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<v Speaker 1>was waiting fifty feet away in his car with an

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<v Speaker 1>oozy sticking out the window, and when he crossed the

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<v Speaker 1>mud hole, he was gonna shoot the game board. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like I've overreacted a little bit. That's all.

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<v Speaker 1>Hm um, just a few other you feel vindicated. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. That's it. Remember you should finish that story

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<v Speaker 1>where I found five dollars, right. Uh, Okay, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>a there is a review on iTunes, and the way

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<v Speaker 1>it started out, it's a five star review, a legitimate

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<v Speaker 1>five star review. Okay. But he says, and I was,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm just gonna be honest. I was a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. Uh. I'll let you guys decide what you

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<v Speaker 1>how you felt like I felt. He said, don't judge

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast. That's his title, And he says, don't let

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<v Speaker 1>the cover photo fool you. Clay Nukeam isn't just another

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<v Speaker 1>knuckle head on a mule mule exactly. That's my first

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<v Speaker 1>question to the guy is like, is this a theme?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know there's some implications to this, just as

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<v Speaker 1>if anybody who rides a mule is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a knucklehead, Like you're like, oh, dude on a mule,

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<v Speaker 1>probably a knucklehead. Another one of those. Yeah, wait aube

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<v Speaker 1>I proved a point. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let me let me tell you something like this. This

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<v Speaker 1>is interesting. So I'm reading a book. You're reading the

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<v Speaker 1>book too, Yeah, it's really good. Don't don't don't tell

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<v Speaker 1>the name of it in this book. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>people who wrote in this book. Well, I can't get

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<v Speaker 1>into it's gonna be too big of a spoiler alert.

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<v Speaker 1>But mules have for centuries, if not thousands of years,

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<v Speaker 1>been a second rate equine animal from a social status

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<v Speaker 1>because there was a there was a Oh man, can

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<v Speaker 1>you think I can go into the details? You can? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know. I have like three pages left, okay, no, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>like so anyway, there's something. But then he goes on

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<v Speaker 1>to give a ray view. You know, this is very

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<v Speaker 1>entertaining educational show done professionally and intellectually. Like, but he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't don't let the mule throw you off. Okay, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>There there is a social there's there's a descriptor for

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<v Speaker 1>something that happens when people that are extremely wealthy down dress.

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<v Speaker 1>And I heard a podcast one time where if you

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<v Speaker 1>go into like Macy's in New York and you're looking

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<v Speaker 1>around at the people in the store and you were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make a judgment on their financial status, most

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<v Speaker 1>likely the person in there that is like a millionaire

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<v Speaker 1>is like wearing like jogging pants and a T shirt

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<v Speaker 1>and like flip flops. Probably he's got a mule, That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. So because the guy that's dressed up

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<v Speaker 1>real fancy and and there's a there's a term to

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<v Speaker 1>describe it, and I includes me know, there's a term

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<v Speaker 1>to describe it basically where you like dress up like

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<v Speaker 1>so like if someone's like decked out telegraph, probably like

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're wanting to say to this, these are my people.

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<v Speaker 1>And the person that doesn't care because they've already been

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<v Speaker 1>through all that. So when you see somebody riding you

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<v Speaker 1>can be like, man, this guy is just trying to wait.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you making it a blanket statement about all horse

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<v Speaker 1>riders right now? Well, I don't know. I'm not every

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<v Speaker 1>horse rider. When you see a guy riding a horse,

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<v Speaker 1>every horse rider is just trying to be cool. And

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<v Speaker 1>the guys that are on the mules have already been

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<v Speaker 1>through that stage and they're just ground out. Good time

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<v Speaker 1>to stop everyone polarizes. American nation has been polarized again. Okay, um, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>There was another guy. Uh, this guy Don wrote me

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<v Speaker 1>today and he said, uh, he's the one that said

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<v Speaker 1>he was uncertain if if I was if he was

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable with with us calling Dan like Dan Danny boy

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<v Speaker 1>b I'm on, Don, don't listen. Okay, So Don says,

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<v Speaker 1>just finished the third Boon Boon podcast, best of all three.

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<v Speaker 1>I've come clear on my position that I indeed hate

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<v Speaker 1>it when you call him, but listen, I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 1>guys laughed because it isn't in fact his name or appropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>But for no other reason than the jealous tange I

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<v Speaker 1>get when you say it. It makes me feel like

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<v Speaker 1>he would like you better. Then says, love what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep with the fantastic work. Referencing the lifestyle that has

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<v Speaker 1>informed so much of who I am. So don it's

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<v Speaker 1>like if Dan Boone were alive. Okay, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you'd like you another fool on a Mule's tagline for

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<v Speaker 1>your podcast, Forget that Things Forgotten. You may not be

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<v Speaker 1>able to tell it by the way I'm dressed, but uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I just got off of the mule. I've been on

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<v Speaker 1>an adventure this morning. I had to leave. I had

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<v Speaker 1>to leave early this morning. I'm starting to bait bears

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<v Speaker 1>and one of my bear baits is in an unaccessible

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<v Speaker 1>by vehicle location. We can only bait bears on private

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<v Speaker 1>land in Arkansas, and so um, I took Banjo out

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<v Speaker 1>for his maiden backwoods voyage and knock your voyage. He

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<v Speaker 1>did really good. Um. You will see at some point

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<v Speaker 1>on my Instagram feed a fucking fit that I happened

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<v Speaker 1>to capture on video, but we kind of worked through it.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I just got back from Canada too. I

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<v Speaker 1>was in Canada. Killed a buck in Canada, didn't kill

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<v Speaker 1>a bear. It's a good trip, but unfortunate on the bear.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a beautiful buck. Thank you. I'm so too. How

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<v Speaker 1>cold was it up there? It's just like here. What

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<v Speaker 1>do they ride up in Canada? Hierarchy? Good question the moose.

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<v Speaker 1>If you could ride a moose, I had tip that

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<v Speaker 1>put a saddle on it, I can ride it. They

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<v Speaker 1>broke some of these kinds of velvet. Just I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear him say put a saddle on it

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<v Speaker 1>again though, Um Now, Brent you you and images of

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<v Speaker 1>you on a bulldozer this week? Yes, what were you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I was bulldozing, cool man, I was cleaning out. I

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<v Speaker 1>was over the farm. My budded Jacob, got this dozer

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<v Speaker 1>and we manage a piece of property and we were

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<v Speaker 1>enhancing a place to shoot some ducks. This this winter,

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<v Speaker 1>big old slew that floods. Uh, just a minimal amount

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<v Speaker 1>of rain. So normally we'll get water in there and

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get we'll get some ducks in there with

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<v Speaker 1>two or three good coal fronts come through. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>cleaning out a spot for the ducks to rest and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll hunt it, you know, two or three, four, five

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<v Speaker 1>or six times a year, depending on the mount of ducks,

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<v Speaker 1>but mainly a place for him to rest and just

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<v Speaker 1>cleaning out some old getting some food plots ready for

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<v Speaker 1>some deer, and we got access to do some bow

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<v Speaker 1>hunting over there taking care of is a case eight fifty?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that? Is that a horse or mule? In terms

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<v Speaker 1>of dosers? What's it's like a goat? Case eight fifty. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what the model it was, but the

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<v Speaker 1>it was built probably some time after the first moon landing,

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<v Speaker 1>I think hopefully. So it's well, you look good on.

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't never had any problems with my looks Clay,

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<v Speaker 1>did you did you feel like invigorate? Okay? And invigoration?

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, on that thing for about six and

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<v Speaker 1>a half hours and for the next three days Bailey said, Daddy,

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<v Speaker 1>you walk funny? I was so sore. Oh gosh, yard

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<v Speaker 1>you around? Oh yeah, we did. It's it's pretty rough

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<v Speaker 1>in there, and we did lots of pushing, put some pushing,

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<v Speaker 1>some old snags and stuff down, So it was it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the smoothest of of rides. But but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>get a lot of enjoying the time in a Honda Accord.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to hear my desert song? Now? Yes?

0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.040
<v Speaker 1>In the third bird, I gotta be back. We may

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<v Speaker 1>come back to it. So number three, number three, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I truly am slightly grieved because I'm thinking about the

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<v Speaker 1>next podcast and it's gonna be great, and nobody is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to guess what it's about because

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<v Speaker 1>it is off the wall, and so I'm very excited,

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<v Speaker 1>but but I'm slightly grieved about the Boon Boon series

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<v Speaker 1>being over. The thing about somebody like Boone is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you could have extended this podcast into really as many

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<v Speaker 1>series as you've wanted. I mean, there's there's lots of detail,

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<v Speaker 1>and the things that I guess when you're telling stories,

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<v Speaker 1>what it boils down to is what stories do you

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<v Speaker 1>tell and how do you tell them? And so if

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<v Speaker 1>you were to take all the intel from de Boone's

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<v Speaker 1>life and then you were to go back and make

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<v Speaker 1>a checklist of the stories that that we told and

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the things we touched on, there would be way more

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:19.399
<v Speaker 1>things that happened to him that we're not touched on.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, for instance, I did not even speak

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<v Speaker 1>of the Battle of the Blue Licks. We I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to hear more about that. Well, did you about Boonsboro?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is that separate? Okay? The siege of Boonsborough was

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<v Speaker 1>its own thing and had his men surrender negative, Uh,

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:41.840
<v Speaker 1>he was. He was he was at a salt lick.

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<v Speaker 1>So the siege of Boonsborow and the the surrendering the

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:51.320
<v Speaker 1>men at the salt lick were connected because the they

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<v Speaker 1>had the settlement. It was the first settlement that they

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<v Speaker 1>had at Boonsboro. They had to go get salt. Salt

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<v Speaker 1>was essential to life on the frontier. They had to

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<v Speaker 1>have all They had to have salt for curing hides.

0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:08.000
<v Speaker 1>They had to have. I mean like it was a commodity. Yeah,

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean like steak, potato, salt and pepper. So they

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:15.159
<v Speaker 1>had the thirty men went out and there's calculations on

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<v Speaker 1>how much work has to go into boiling. It's salty

0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Water's a salty spring, is what it was. Basically, they

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<v Speaker 1>have these big cauldrons and they keep fires going like

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<v Speaker 1>twenty hours a day and basically evaporate this water and

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<v Speaker 1>then what's left is salt and they can make like

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<v Speaker 1>several hundred pounds of salt a day. But it took

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<v Speaker 1>thirty men. So Boone is out hunting for the men

0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:43.640
<v Speaker 1>kills the buffalo gets captured by Shawnee. The Shawnee say,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to kill all the guys at the lick.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Boone says, I'll tell you what, don't do that,

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<v Speaker 1>and all I will, I will forfeit the men to you.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they stay in captivity with the Shawnees for

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<v Speaker 1>four months and then that's when they go back into

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<v Speaker 1>the whole siege of boone'sbro which you could have done

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<v Speaker 1>a whole podcast. It was incredible. The Shawnees did a

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<v Speaker 1>whole fake out treaty thing, and Boone did too. Because

0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Boone and Blackfish were father and son like they actually

0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 1>acted like that. I mean, black Fish really loved Boone

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:27.160
<v Speaker 1>and when when they there was there was a point

0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 1>when they met out in front of the fort. We're

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 1>just black Fish and just Boon, like there's all these

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Indians out here, all the people in the fort, they're

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:39.119
<v Speaker 1>about to all kill each other. And black Fish walks

0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:41.960
<v Speaker 1>out and says, I want to see Boone, and so

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 1>all the men are covering Boone. Boone walks out, and

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:48.919
<v Speaker 1>perhaps they had two or three men with them, but

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Boone wouldn't go past sixty yards of the fort because

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 1>he knew that was the accurate range of the guns.

0:26:56.600 --> 0:27:01.000
<v Speaker 1>So he was like, I'll meet you sixty yards and uh,

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 1>he walks out there and Blackfish says, why did you leave?

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>And uh, because Boone had escaped. Big deal. They have

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:14.880
<v Speaker 1>this big treaty and the treaty goes wrong, and they

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 1>actually signed the treaty, and when they were standing up

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 1>to like shake each other's hands, Boon knew the Native

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Americans well enough to tell his men. So there were

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 1>I think they were out numbered two to one and

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:29.439
<v Speaker 1>they were at a big table and they had just

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 1>signed a treaty and Boone told his men, he said,

0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 1>if they shake your hand in this way, know that

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 1>we're being set up and they're about to pummel you.

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:42.680
<v Speaker 1>And it was the Native American way to shake hands,

0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 1>and where they where you grab grab him by the arm,

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 1>basically grab his elbow. And Boone knew that if they

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 1>did that, it was over. And so they all went

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:54.639
<v Speaker 1>and they did that, and as soon as they did that,

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:59.359
<v Speaker 1>the Shawnees jerked down the Boon and his men and

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 1>blah blah bah, everybody started firing. Boone and told all

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 1>the people at the fort he said, if it goes

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:08.440
<v Speaker 1>fist the cuffs out there, just shoot because we're out

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:12.680
<v Speaker 1>number two to one. Just shot. If you hit somebody,

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 1>there's a there's a better chance you're gonna hit one

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 1>of them than hit us. I didn't like them, Yeah,

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 1>if so that there's a whole thing. What I was

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna say, though, was that we never even talked about

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>the Battle of the Blue Licks, which was a later

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 1>battle that a lot of people say was the most

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 1>one of the most defining moments of Boone's life, and

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 1>we never even got into it. Boone's son Israel, was

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 1>killed at the Blue Licks, and basically they were ambushed

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:47.840
<v Speaker 1>by Native Americans after Boone told the army and the leaders, hey,

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 1>don't go after we shouldn't. We shouldn't just take after

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 1>these Indians, and one of the guys, one of the leaders,

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:58.719
<v Speaker 1>challenged Boone and called him a coward and then just

0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:03.560
<v Speaker 1>took off to go after the Indians, and Boone was like, well, okay,

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 1>here we go. And they fell in and it was

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 1>like a massive disaster. I mean, like lots of people

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 1>got killed. I said all that to say what we

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 1>talked about in the podcast, there's only so much, Dan,

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 1>What what stood out to you in this third one?

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 1>I think for me personally, I was surprised at how

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 1>emotional I got kind of towards the end of the

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>podcast especially. I think what really I really enjoyed was

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:31.400
<v Speaker 1>when the artist came to paint his portrait and the

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 1>daughter was like, no, no no, no, this is a good thing.

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 1>And you know, here was this this same man who

0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 1>says if it goes fisticuff, shoot, you know, I mean,

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 1>just fearless in every way. And then a painter comes

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 1>and he's like no, no, no no, I'm not doing that

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, no, Dad, it's okay, you know, just

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 1>really seeing the human side of him and imagining him

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>like getting in that coffin and giving his grandkids a

0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>hard time. I think seeing the familiar ol my grandfather

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>was a huge gooper. I mean just a total goof

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 1>off and that's I could totally imagine him doing something

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 1>like that. And I think that really made Daniel Boone

0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>for me a person, you know, he and I was like, oh, man,

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 1>like he was a guy. And the fact that two

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>miles down the road somebody don't even know who was

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 1>It was just the whole thing, That old little last chapter.

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 1>I think, like you said, and the you know two

0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago in the render, like it's gonna really it's

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna really change the way you look at him, and

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 1>it really did. Man. That was my favorite part probably

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 1>of all the stuff we talked about, and in all

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:46.479
<v Speaker 1>four hours of documentary on Boon, was that right at

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 1>the end of his life, you see so much like

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 1>he he was living in a little cabin behind Jemima's

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 1>house when and this is what Chester Harding said. So

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 1>if Alex wants to back check, Chester Harding had no, no,

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 1>the uh no, because you wonder where these details come from.

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the only person there was Chester Harding and Boone.

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Did Boone come out and say, yeah, I was roasting

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 1>a deer leg when Chester got here. He may have,

0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:28.239
<v Speaker 1>but I mean, just these little details show us so much.

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, imagine eighty It's unclear to me how old

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Boone was. I want to say it was in the

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 1>last year of his life. And so you know, presumably

0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>he was like eighty six years old. Um, and he's

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>back there roasting a deer leg by himself on a

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 1>ramrod that you know he probably shot the deer. I mean,

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 1>you got why would you think otherwise? But that was

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 1>the part that I mean, I have to piggyback on

0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:59.240
<v Speaker 1>what he has already been said. That was gonna happen.

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 1>That is the back What resonated with me so much

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>is like Steve said, he didn't go do the Wild

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Bill Hiccock Wild Western when he easily could have. He

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>could have been a He died a poor man, and

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 1>he could have been a very wealthy man just by

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 1>speaking engagements, going here and telling that, but and and

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 1>telling his story. But he lived in a little cabin

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 1>in the woods, and he took solace by playing with

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 1>his kids and his grandkids. And I have been There's

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 1>no way. I mean, this guy has done so much

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>and seen so much and been so many places. But

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I get it. I know why he's like that. Jonathan

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 1>sesmithon while to Go before we started recording, he said,

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, You've probably got some pretty good stories being

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>undercover officer for all these years. Well, I do. And

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I've been to some very cool places with you, Clay,

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 1>and we've seen some really cool stuff. But the better

0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:59.120
<v Speaker 1>part of my day and the best thing that I

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 1>can imagine is sitting in the backyard playing with my

0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 1>kids or my grandkids. And that I thought, you know,

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 1>that's a connection that he and I have. That what

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 1>when it comes down to it, the most important thing

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 1>are those the things that are really important? And this guy,

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he was responsible for westward expansion, and yet

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 1>he would really rather set in the fire and cook

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:25.960
<v Speaker 1>a deer leg on his ramrod. You know that that

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 1>was that spoke volumes to you know, I think we

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:34.800
<v Speaker 1>this is part of the mythology of Boone is that

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:38.640
<v Speaker 1>we can cherry pick from his life these grand moments,

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>and that's kind of what we want to talk about.

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:46.480
<v Speaker 1>But man, the Boone went through the meat grinding in life.

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>He lost two of his sons. I mean, even think about,

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 1>like we don't know if if the illegitimacy of Jemima

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 1>was true, but think about a husband that would have

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>come home and been like, oh, we're doing that well.

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>And then maybe he had a Shawnee wife too. I mean,

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:09.880
<v Speaker 1>that's distress inside of a home. Whatever time period to

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 1>say he had, you know, his first years in Kentucky.

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Imagine being a poor guy today, just scrapping by and

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>being able to go somewhere and earn a significant year's wage.

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Let's say that, And it depends on what part of

0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the country you're in, but like in Arkansas, let's say

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:35.319
<v Speaker 1>that would be like eighty grand, like if you could

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:38.280
<v Speaker 1>go in a couple of months make eighty thou dollars

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.359
<v Speaker 1>and bring it home and like you're used to making

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:45.720
<v Speaker 1>like thirty five on the way home. Ye, somebody stops

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>you and goes, hey, bro, we'll be taking that. The

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 1>number of times that you mentioned him getting robbed or

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.279
<v Speaker 1>losing his stuff was astonishing, Like that's kind of stuff

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 1>that you just feel like would leave a mark on

0:34:57.680 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>you as a person. Now, like I got robbed one

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 1>time and I'll never forget it. And it's like he

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:04.279
<v Speaker 1>got drugged and robbed and he got his The number

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 1>of times that you mentioned, it's like, man, and it

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 1>wasn't that many people running around. Yeah, he was constantly.

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:17.799
<v Speaker 1>He had lots and lots of failures. Just think think

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 1>too though, at the end of his life, just kind

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 1>of what you said, Brent, he kind of he wasn't

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 1>interested in fame and glory at that point. He had

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:32.600
<v Speaker 1>sifted through all that stuff and yet still he was pleasant.

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Many people noted that his presence was quote coveted by

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.920
<v Speaker 1>his family and his older age, so that that speaks

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 1>of a man in good standing. A lot of sacrifice

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 1>that went through for them. But think about all the

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 1>different outcomes. Though, when you're in your eighties and you've

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 1>been through that kind of life, you could be a

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:57.720
<v Speaker 1>real jay hole. Yeah, or your family he could hate you, yes,

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 1>for leading them in different directions. I mean, think about

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the tragedies that easily his family could have blamed him for. Yeah, yeah, seriously,

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 1>so that it seems like normal. Well, of course, if

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:16.359
<v Speaker 1>your grandpa's Daniel Boone, you're gonna like him. No. I mean,

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 1>lots of life breaks people down, and at his old age,

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 1>what we saw was an intact man, you know. And

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 1>to me, it goes back to kind of the point

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:32.359
<v Speaker 1>of Robert Morgan's book is that Boone was not just

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:38.920
<v Speaker 1>a superhero or mythical American character. He actually had character,

0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 1>not without flaws, but he had character. And that that that, Yeah,

0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 1>the Chester Harding thing blows my mind, like that within

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:50.319
<v Speaker 1>two miles of where Boone lives, they the man didn't

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:52.359
<v Speaker 1>even know who he was. It was just like, yeah,

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:55.760
<v Speaker 1>that white haired guy, yeah, Daniel Boone. Yeah sure, whatever,

0:36:56.120 --> 0:37:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Wild Jonathan, what what stood out to you? I think

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:04.279
<v Speaker 1>this episode painted more complex picture of him than the

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 1>other episodes, and I was really interested in the paradox

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 1>is that you guys mentioned the number of paradoxes. Like,

0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was very interesting that he would be

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:14.800
<v Speaker 1>a market hunter in that trip where he killed a

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 1>hundred fifty bears, and yet he's seeing game be reduced

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:21.440
<v Speaker 1>and seeing that it's unsustainable, and it's like, what makes

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 1>a man do that? I think you've made a comment

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 1>or maybe Robert Morgan made a comment about you know,

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 1>in retrospect, we could probably see that it's a paradox,

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 1>but maybe he didn't see it himself. And I just

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:35.240
<v Speaker 1>think that that's it. It just paints a very complex picture.

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:37.360
<v Speaker 1>It makes you want to know what kind of a

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 1>man he was, even though you get this picture of

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 1>him later in life. It's like, how do you not

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>see this this paradox? How do you how do you

0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 1>reconcile that? Um? I thought it really painted a complex picture.

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:53.640
<v Speaker 1>And uh I can I would defend Boone on that.

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:58.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and and I'm not saying you're indicting him,

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 1>but like life moves at slow ocean, I mean in

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways that the cutting edge of time.

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:07.560
<v Speaker 1>When you're here, you see things so much different than

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 1>you see once you're past it. And if you if

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 1>I could go somewhere today and and there were no rules,

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:18.840
<v Speaker 1>no regulations. To kill a hundred and fifty five bears

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 1>in one season would be pretty good. Was this idea

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:25.439
<v Speaker 1>that like the game was all leaving? Like, I think

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:29.440
<v Speaker 1>that was like years down the track from that event?

0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Was that I thought that that was later in life,

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 1>and I had assumed that was after he was in

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 1>the legislature where he had pen some legislation about protecting

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the game. Yeah, well and it it. I don't know

0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:44.400
<v Speaker 1>the details of exactly when that was, but it was

0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:46.399
<v Speaker 1>when he was in his sixties though, So you're right.

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 1>I think you're right. Yeah, I think you're right though

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:51.879
<v Speaker 1>when you say that life moves in slow motion and

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:56.439
<v Speaker 1>you don't see these things about yourself sometimes, um man.

0:38:56.520 --> 0:39:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I that story. Like what I liked about the episode

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 1>three was it was kind of like clean up. We

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.279
<v Speaker 1>had covered all this stuff and then I went through

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:09.360
<v Speaker 1>and like Cherry picked a bunch of stuff that I

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:13.919
<v Speaker 1>just couldn't talk about Boone without talking about So this

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 1>guy rolling down the Sandy Big Sandy River in Kentucky

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 1>and seeing Daniel Boone and his family, that wasn't a

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:26.799
<v Speaker 1>life changing moment for Boone's life but it was just

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:30.840
<v Speaker 1>a picture. This guy's in a river, you know, riding

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:33.720
<v Speaker 1>down the river, sees the family pulls up on the shore.

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:37.440
<v Speaker 1>It's Dee Boone and Rebecca and two of his daughters

0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:39.800
<v Speaker 1>and their son in laws there in half faced camps,

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:44.400
<v Speaker 1>which I assumed that means a three sided log structure.

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 1>They're eating out of a common tray, which would just

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 1>be a big tray. Basically, they chunked the big thing

0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:55.640
<v Speaker 1>of meat down and bread bear camp kind do the

0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 1>newcombs from every every now and they had carved for

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 1>because that a cane, And it's just it's just pretty wild.

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Do you think, like when we look back on the

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:09.080
<v Speaker 1>paradox Jonathan and it's like, how could he how could

0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:11.799
<v Speaker 1>he kill that many bear but also passed that legislation.

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:15.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he passed legislation, obviously recognized there as a problem.

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 1>But I look back on somebody like Daniel Boone and

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I want them to take a stand on the right things.

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:24.880
<v Speaker 1>But I divorce I usually divorce him in my mind

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:27.880
<v Speaker 1>from yeah, at sixty, he was still a man with

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:31.800
<v Speaker 1>the family and bear Greece was how many dollars a gallon?

0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 1>And he needed like he had so It's like, yes,

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:39.920
<v Speaker 1>he recognizes that these things are bad and I and

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:41.759
<v Speaker 1>we need to do something about that, But at the

0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 1>same time, I gotta take care of my family. You know,

0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:48.400
<v Speaker 1>go ahead. I think the economic term for that is

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:50.480
<v Speaker 1>the tragedy of the commons, right, And I wonder how

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 1>much of that was playing in his mind, which is

0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:55.279
<v Speaker 1>I've got to like if I don't if I don't

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:58.400
<v Speaker 1>take these bear, then we lose out and it helps

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:01.160
<v Speaker 1>no one because the West is going to get expanded in.

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:05.760
<v Speaker 1>There was there was no thought of that, like the

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 1>the the the the conservation ethic of the modern North

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 1>American hunter was not even developed at that point. Those

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:20.720
<v Speaker 1>were the formative ideas of of people saying like, maybe

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 1>we ought to preserve this game. And it wasn't until

0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:27.759
<v Speaker 1>the late eighteen hundreds when it truly was a crisis

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:30.640
<v Speaker 1>and all these animals were getting wiped off the face

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:35.359
<v Speaker 1>of the earth that they said, hey, we really gotta

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 1>do something. And this, this, this modern North American hunting

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:43.480
<v Speaker 1>ethic was built, which is where we give value to

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:47.799
<v Speaker 1>older age males to take stress off the females juveniles.

0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:50.000
<v Speaker 1>And I mean, you hear me talk about it all

0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 1>the time. Essentially the Boone and Crockett Boone and Crockett

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Club was the one that introduced this idea Teddy Roosevelt

0:41:56.960 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 1>and they named the club after Boon. And so I

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 1>mean to look back and I realized you're not saying this,

0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 1>but to look back at Boon and say, oh, man,

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 1>you're unethical. You're an unethical hunter. It's really just not realistic,

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean for him to be like, you

0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:15.879
<v Speaker 1>know what, we're gonna conserve these bears. I will only

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.960
<v Speaker 1>shoot the oldest bears that I see. Like that just

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:22.240
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a thought. That would essentially be like someone saying,

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 1>you know what, we ought to use the computer rather

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>than send this through the mail, and they're like, well, uh,

0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:31.960
<v Speaker 1>never work there. There are no such thing as computers

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:38.840
<v Speaker 1>here two years to earlier. Um no, it's probably Malachi.

0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 1>What did you think? Man? Man, It was really hard

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:45.279
<v Speaker 1>to start the podcast because let me in here, let

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:48.080
<v Speaker 1>me let me explain why. You know, I think that

0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Boone was was somebody I guess that I grew

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:54.319
<v Speaker 1>up with who you hear a lot about, but you

0:42:54.360 --> 0:43:00.399
<v Speaker 1>don't know much about, right, And this mystical woodsman that

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:04.320
<v Speaker 1>you know from my perspective just you know, killed animals,

0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:12.280
<v Speaker 1>and as I got that's what Yeah, on my street

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 1>we ride donkeys, um. But I think, as I like,

0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:25.040
<v Speaker 1>as I listened to all three and I think everybody

0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:29.200
<v Speaker 1>has said it, you see the human aspect of him,

0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:33.719
<v Speaker 1>and you you gain a level of respect that where

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:36.640
<v Speaker 1>you where you feel that the the grandeur or the

0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:40.279
<v Speaker 1>respect or the even the aspect of he's being kind

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:44.279
<v Speaker 1>of put on a pedal stool. Now it's earned because

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 1>not because of the all that he done, you know,

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 1>he went to the Cumberland Gap and all these things,

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 1>but the aspect of him being a man right, taking

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:56.280
<v Speaker 1>care of his family, even the aspect of I really

0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 1>liked how he he respected Indians right, even though there

0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:03.640
<v Speaker 1>were times of conflict there. There's always like a hat

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 1>tip in my book when anybody where society deems another

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 1>group of people as less than, if a person can

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:15.000
<v Speaker 1>shows a level of respect that they're equal, And to me,

0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:20.560
<v Speaker 1>that's that's like a hat tip. Back then, literally they

0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:25.880
<v Speaker 1>were considered savages. I omitted that word from some of

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:28.399
<v Speaker 1>the readings that I did on this podcast. I hadn't

0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 1>told anybody that, yeah, and I mean just to say that,

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:35.799
<v Speaker 1>like he was progressive. Yeah, yeah, And I to me

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 1>that that gives, that gives, Okay, this guy was the

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:42.960
<v Speaker 1>real deal. It's like, man that was, that's a good guy.

0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:46.400
<v Speaker 1>That's a guy that that gets gets a head nod

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:49.719
<v Speaker 1>and a hat tip um, not just because of the

0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:53.600
<v Speaker 1>conservation things, but because of who the guy was. So

0:44:54.400 --> 0:45:10.200
<v Speaker 1>my perspective, I think that like what you're saying, Alakai

0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:12.359
<v Speaker 1>reminds me. Another thing that stuck out to me was

0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:18.120
<v Speaker 1>when his time in in the legislature was discussed and

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:23.359
<v Speaker 1>he would frequently wear the Shawnee. Yeah, and I think today,

0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:26.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, of course, like we would rightfully somebody, you know,

0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:30.080
<v Speaker 1>a white man does that, we're gonna level cultural appropriation

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:33.840
<v Speaker 1>on him, Like you don't just put on indigenous garb

0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:37.040
<v Speaker 1>as a white man and go into Congress. And and

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe that term didn't even exist back then, and maybe

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:42.279
<v Speaker 1>there were Native Americans did not have a voice to

0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:47.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of levy that critique against him. Uh or maybe

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:50.520
<v Speaker 1>he had lived in such a way with them and

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:53.440
<v Speaker 1>loved them in such a way where in putting that on,

0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:56.360
<v Speaker 1>like you said in the podcast, he was acknowledging his

0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:59.399
<v Speaker 1>roots and they were a part of him and who

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:02.319
<v Speaker 1>he was in his roots, and I think that that

0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 1>definitely hit me. It was like, here here's a man

0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.799
<v Speaker 1>who I mean, he obviously had conflict with Native Americans,

0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 1>but there was a deep love and a deep respect

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:12.920
<v Speaker 1>and he allowed it to shape who he was. And

0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:16.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna stand up here in the legislature and

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:19.880
<v Speaker 1>do my job unless I represent the people who made

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:27.279
<v Speaker 1>me Like it wasn't that a wild imagery. I mean,

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't. It wasn't a costume party. Like you you

0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:35.200
<v Speaker 1>almost you could feel like it was a stunt. Yeah,

0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 1>like Boone wearing his buckskins into the legislature. I don't

0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:41.800
<v Speaker 1>think it was. I mean, he was making a statement,

0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 1>like he could have gone to town and did what

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:49.800
<v Speaker 1>they did, but he was, Like I just think he

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.680
<v Speaker 1>had no choice but to be true to who he was.

0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:55.839
<v Speaker 1>He showed, I mean, not to make a joke about.

0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he chose the mule. Everybody else was wearing

0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 1>those silk shirts really nice. I mean, these are the

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 1>leading intellectual thinkers of Western development in their time and

0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:16.880
<v Speaker 1>he shows up in buckskin and that's my president. Man.

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:22.920
<v Speaker 1>That that image is just to me, it's just so

0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:27.720
<v Speaker 1>And the fact that it wasn't a stunt, because today

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 1>you could not do that without it being highly inappropriate

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:36.239
<v Speaker 1>and offensive and a stunt which could entirely inappropriate, of course,

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 1>But but the fact that he did it and it

0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:41.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't and it was true to who he was. Um,

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:43.600
<v Speaker 1>And maybe I have a totally naive view of it,

0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:45.160
<v Speaker 1>and it was totally a stunt back down, but it

0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:47.120
<v Speaker 1>seems like it was. I mean, I think he was

0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:50.520
<v Speaker 1>aware of the statement that he was making. It would

0:47:50.560 --> 0:47:54.000
<v Speaker 1>essentially be like, Um, I mean, there's people that have

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 1>done stuff like that. You know, you see the odd

0:47:56.160 --> 0:48:00.239
<v Speaker 1>politician from out west walking in whereing his cowboy hat.

0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Didn't one of the guys rode a horse into the

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:06.759
<v Speaker 1>White House a few years ago. But here's the thing.

0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 1>When you're adopted, shawnny dad choose the sugarcane and gets

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:15.000
<v Speaker 1>it moist in his mouth for you and then hands

0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:18.040
<v Speaker 1>it to you. And you've lived with him and speak

0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 1>his language, and you've been in his family. You're not

0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:23.359
<v Speaker 1>putting on a cowboy hat and riding a horse into

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the White House. Yeah, you you have become part of

0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:28.719
<v Speaker 1>their family. And when he comes out before the fort

0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:33.040
<v Speaker 1>and says, why do you leave? Yeah, I mean, this

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:38.200
<v Speaker 1>man lived a totally different way of life, um, and

0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:41.719
<v Speaker 1>that's why he could do that. And you say that's

0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's the hat tip, you know. Yeah, when

0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:47.399
<v Speaker 1>he hands you that that already cheered on a piece

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:50.360
<v Speaker 1>of cane, that's when you say in Shawnee hard pass

0:48:50.480 --> 0:49:02.640
<v Speaker 1>whatever that is, I'm like, no thanks, like dad, come

0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:07.279
<v Speaker 1>no hey. When I again, everything that was in this

0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:10.600
<v Speaker 1>podcast was things that I hand picked. I mean it

0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:14.640
<v Speaker 1>really was. And I would tell that story over and

0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:18.799
<v Speaker 1>over to black my kids. I mean that stood out

0:49:18.800 --> 0:49:22.399
<v Speaker 1>to me, and it stood out to Nathan Boone because

0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:25.040
<v Speaker 1>when Nathan Boone was seventy four years old and his

0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 1>dad had been dead for thirty years, he remembered that

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Blackfish chewed the lump of sugar and gave it. I

0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:36.800
<v Speaker 1>mean you can almost just see like the glow and

0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:39.279
<v Speaker 1>black Fish's eyes to see what he would do, see

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:41.759
<v Speaker 1>if he would take it. And what did the bood do?

0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:44.440
<v Speaker 1>He took it, he ate it. There are only two

0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:47.200
<v Speaker 1>people standing there. How do we know that information? Because

0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Dan Boone went home and he told his whole family.

0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:54.319
<v Speaker 1>He said, Rebecca, don't give me no sugar. I just

0:49:54.360 --> 0:50:00.439
<v Speaker 1>had some from the chief. No I mean, you try

0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:04.640
<v Speaker 1>to describe like Boone's relationship with black Fish and the

0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Shawnees in a thousand word article, or you could tell

0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 1>that one story. It's kind of like a picture tells

0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:14.399
<v Speaker 1>a thousand words. What is it about? Like I think

0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:16.840
<v Speaker 1>in our day and so many I mean these books.

0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:19.320
<v Speaker 1>You have all these books on biographies on Daniel Boone,

0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:21.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's these stories that I mean, you could just

0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:24.680
<v Speaker 1>hear you talk about a good storyteller. And I remember

0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:26.920
<v Speaker 1>like asking you to just tell me a story one

0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:29.399
<v Speaker 1>more time, Like I just somebody tells a really good story,

0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:31.919
<v Speaker 1>you want to hear it again. But our culture, we're

0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:36.279
<v Speaker 1>constantly trying to invent new TV shows and new narratives

0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:38.520
<v Speaker 1>and new and it's got to be novel. But yet

0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:42.879
<v Speaker 1>deep down inside it's like we want that. We want

0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:45.600
<v Speaker 1>that good old story, Like tell me that story that

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:49.680
<v Speaker 1>has meaning and value and and actually, if if it

0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:55.920
<v Speaker 1>really does, I want to hear it again. And I

0:50:55.920 --> 0:50:58.560
<v Speaker 1>think that's what's something that I kind of saw in

0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Boone's life over the course of the three that's different

0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:06.480
<v Speaker 1>from now. It's it's authentic, right. I think what you

0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:12.560
<v Speaker 1>see now is people telling stories for views, people's telling

0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:16.920
<v Speaker 1>stories to be validated by somebody else versus just this

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.520
<v Speaker 1>is who I am. He didn't, you know, I don't.

0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:22.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think Daniel Boone would have if he was

0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:25.280
<v Speaker 1>in today's age, would have said, they put that on Instagram.

0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Will I take he could have done it, yeah, And

0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I think they could have toured and did that. Yeah.

0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:35.640
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's that's something that's powerful when somebody

0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:39.240
<v Speaker 1>builds their life for the sake of building their lives,

0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:43.399
<v Speaker 1>versus somebody who tries to reach a point inside their

0:51:43.440 --> 0:51:46.239
<v Speaker 1>lives so people can validate them, or so people can

0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:48.560
<v Speaker 1>say what they're building is cool, or what they're building

0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:50.759
<v Speaker 1>is something that I want to build. And I think

0:51:50.800 --> 0:51:54.640
<v Speaker 1>that's a that's a fascinating aspect about about him. I

0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:59.320
<v Speaker 1>think even in today's culture, you know, media and culture

0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:02.080
<v Speaker 1>at large finds people who have that aspect of just

0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:06.200
<v Speaker 1>genuine desire and their own value and tries to make

0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 1>it a product, and unfortunately a lot of people fall

0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:10.799
<v Speaker 1>for that. And then you see like people who you

0:52:10.920 --> 0:52:14.640
<v Speaker 1>discovered quote unquote like early in their career, early in

0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:17.320
<v Speaker 1>their development, and you really like what they're doing, but

0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:21.760
<v Speaker 1>then over time they become kind of commercialized and so Daniel.

0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Boone's version of that was the legislature and what did

0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:26.160
<v Speaker 1>he do? He wore buckskin and he didn't give into

0:52:26.200 --> 0:52:30.960
<v Speaker 1>that product. Uh yeah, I appreciated that too. At the end,

0:52:31.400 --> 0:52:35.040
<v Speaker 1>we talked about how Boon didn't buy into the myth

0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:38.000
<v Speaker 1>of himself. You know, he there was there was a

0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:42.280
<v Speaker 1>story and it was it was said that someone told

0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:47.240
<v Speaker 1>read something to him about him, and he said stuff

0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:49.799
<v Speaker 1>like that that shouldn't read to a guy until he's dead.

0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I think Boone, in a lot of ways, we probably

0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:58.319
<v Speaker 1>got Boon wrong in some ways. From a at a

0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:01.759
<v Speaker 1>personal level, I do not think Boone if he were

0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:04.680
<v Speaker 1>here today, I think he would shock him that we're

0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:07.520
<v Speaker 1>talking about him like we are. I mean, I can't

0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:10.040
<v Speaker 1>argue with that because I always go back to that

0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:12.480
<v Speaker 1>thing that there there was a lot of those guys

0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:17.839
<v Speaker 1>because him surviving every day. I mean, he didn't call

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:21.279
<v Speaker 1>that an intervention. That was Tuesday. That's what all those

0:53:21.320 --> 0:53:25.040
<v Speaker 1>folks were doing. And the good ones got to retire

0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:27.719
<v Speaker 1>and be a lived to be eighty two or eighty six,

0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:30.919
<v Speaker 1>however old he was, and the other folks didn't. Yeah,

0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:33.319
<v Speaker 1>it was like you remember Bob and I dude could

0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:35.239
<v Speaker 1>not be able to fire for nothing. No, I don't

0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:37.520
<v Speaker 1>remember him. Oh, that's right, he's been dead fifty years.

0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:43.680
<v Speaker 1>He froze to death. I think I think part of

0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:48.879
<v Speaker 1>Boone's what we see and what I view as humility

0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:54.520
<v Speaker 1>hard one humility at the end of his life was

0:53:54.600 --> 0:53:58.440
<v Speaker 1>not him knowing that he was some kind of national

0:53:58.520 --> 0:54:02.440
<v Speaker 1>hero stud and like choosing to be humble man. The

0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:05.600
<v Speaker 1>guy was beat down by life, Like I think he

0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:09.239
<v Speaker 1>would just be like, yeah, I was just kind of

0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:14.160
<v Speaker 1>a normal dude. We did some stuff, even say lost. Oh.

0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I think I think he probably had a pretty big

0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:22.680
<v Speaker 1>sense of some personal failure in his life for sure.

0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:28.480
<v Speaker 1>That probably instructed him. So this Elizabeth Corvin quote I

0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:31.400
<v Speaker 1>think at the end that I put in there and

0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.640
<v Speaker 1>talked about how mild he said. She said, the man

0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:41.600
<v Speaker 1>spoke in effeminine, soft tones, and she said, all the

0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:44.759
<v Speaker 1>old woodsman that I know, I can't think of one

0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:50.000
<v Speaker 1>that did not act that way. That really stood out

0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:53.120
<v Speaker 1>to me big time. And I'll tell you, I'll walk

0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:56.799
<v Speaker 1>you through my thought process on it. Boon did all

0:54:56.840 --> 0:55:02.160
<v Speaker 1>this stuff. Yeah, having that damn you do not use

0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:10.640
<v Speaker 1>the word if feminine with Dbeth. No, that's why I

0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:13.879
<v Speaker 1>put it in there because this it makes me think

0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:18.680
<v Speaker 1>about well, as a hunter, It's like, what am I

0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 1>doing that cause inside of hunting that causes me to

0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:28.400
<v Speaker 1>not be humble Like he spent his lifetime in the wilderness,

0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:32.440
<v Speaker 1>and he came out humble like. He came out soft spoken,

0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:36.400
<v Speaker 1>he came out like not he was not the one

0:55:37.080 --> 0:55:40.239
<v Speaker 1>wanting to tell all his stories. He was the one

0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:44.680
<v Speaker 1>that was quiet. I think sometimes you see the opposite

0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:48.000
<v Speaker 1>of that, not just in hunting, but in life in

0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:52.640
<v Speaker 1>other ways, is that people have grand experiences in it

0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:57.719
<v Speaker 1>it causes them to become more loud, more more, not

0:55:57.920 --> 0:56:03.399
<v Speaker 1>humble more. They dominate. Well, it just it's just like

0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:08.320
<v Speaker 1>they believed the myth about themselves and also people's perception

0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:10.880
<v Speaker 1>of them too. Maybe that didn't know it. You wouldn't

0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:15.680
<v Speaker 1>think Daniel Boone would have effeminate voice. And I think

0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:17.880
<v Speaker 1>about it. Reminded when I listened to that, I listened

0:56:17.920 --> 0:56:21.320
<v Speaker 1>to I was reminded of a documentary about General Patton,

0:56:22.320 --> 0:56:26.320
<v Speaker 1>and only reference before that was the old movie George C.

0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Scott played and he had a big voice. He talked

0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:32.720
<v Speaker 1>like this, and in the in the documentary they talked

0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:36.800
<v Speaker 1>about that General Patton was not as tall as George C. Scott.

0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:40.080
<v Speaker 1>And when he answered the phone, he sounded like somebody's grandmother,

0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:43.040
<v Speaker 1>like General Patton, you know, was what he sounded like.

0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:45.239
<v Speaker 1>And I thought, that's not what he sounds like. He

0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:50.000
<v Speaker 1>sounds just like George C. Scott, General Man. So it's

0:56:50.040 --> 0:56:53.319
<v Speaker 1>everybody's perception of him, you know that you wouldn't you

0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:55.400
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't think it would be that way, and that it

0:56:55.520 --> 0:57:00.920
<v Speaker 1>was another thing that humanized him to me. Well, what

0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:04.080
<v Speaker 1>it made me think about on a personal level is that,

0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:09.600
<v Speaker 1>like our exploits, what we do should make us humble. Yeah,

0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:12.680
<v Speaker 1>it shouldn't puff us up. You want the guy at

0:57:12.719 --> 0:57:15.560
<v Speaker 1>the end to be the same as the guy at

0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:17.920
<v Speaker 1>the beginning. You don't want And I think that's kind

0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:19.960
<v Speaker 1>of what Jonathan was talking about. Like you hear these

0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:23.520
<v Speaker 1>early stories of him, and then you hear these stories

0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:26.520
<v Speaker 1>of conquests and things like that, But at the end

0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:30.000
<v Speaker 1>he's cooking a deer over a fire with his kids

0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:34.800
<v Speaker 1>and his grandkids, and it's there's something real noble about that, right,

0:57:35.000 --> 0:57:37.920
<v Speaker 1>There's There were many stories of his old age that

0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:42.720
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't include. One person noted that when he heard

0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:47.720
<v Speaker 1>people come to the house, he would drift off away

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<v Speaker 1>into the woods and into his cabin. Like in his

0:57:50.640 --> 0:57:55.600
<v Speaker 1>old age, he was kind of done with like because

0:57:55.680 --> 0:57:58.840
<v Speaker 1>people it was insinuated that people would come by to

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<v Speaker 1>want to just talk to him, want to hear the stories,

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<v Speaker 1>and he just was kind of like, ah, forget the story.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is, he could be a he could

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<v Speaker 1>be a big talker. He could talk like a chief.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I think that's that. There was the court

0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:16.880
<v Speaker 1>martial where he defended himself and won over the judges

0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:19.560
<v Speaker 1>and actually got a promotion. I mean, clearly, it's kind

0:58:19.560 --> 0:58:21.600
<v Speaker 1>of like another paradox inside the man. I mean, he

0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:24.880
<v Speaker 1>could be this larger than life talker, but at the

0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:28.440
<v Speaker 1>end of his life that wasn't who who he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Well he was, yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up,

0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:34.880
<v Speaker 1>because you know, he he was a good storyteller, he

0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:38.640
<v Speaker 1>was a leader. There was a magnetism to him. So

0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:42.840
<v Speaker 1>he was charismatic, but it was an authentic kind of charismatic.

0:58:43.720 --> 0:58:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Um it had to have been, you know, he could

0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:50.400
<v Speaker 1>he he had a wide range of functionality as a

0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:53.240
<v Speaker 1>human and he wouldn't be quiet, but he also knew

0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:55.600
<v Speaker 1>when to speak. That's what it seems like I think

0:58:55.640 --> 0:58:57.760
<v Speaker 1>he referenced that in the first episode about him when

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<v Speaker 1>he was young and had that charisma about him just

0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:04.600
<v Speaker 1>drew people that magnetism. So having it then when he's young,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a life full of experiences, Yeah, let's see that. MSTI,

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<v Speaker 1>what was your favorite part? We haven't asked you that. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I feel like to describe to explain my

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite part of the part that stood out just

0:59:16.160 --> 0:59:19.800
<v Speaker 1>of this whole series. I think that as and we've

0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:23.200
<v Speaker 1>talked about this as a family and as a person,

0:59:23.440 --> 0:59:25.720
<v Speaker 1>what we've really sought to do is to build a

0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:29.600
<v Speaker 1>culture in our home and in our hearts that transcends

0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:35.240
<v Speaker 1>any regional or national, any type of other identity. What

0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean by that is we want, you know, like

0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:41.520
<v Speaker 1>our our spiritual existence and our spiritual values are the

0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:43.880
<v Speaker 1>things that got our home, and so that's what we

0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:45.720
<v Speaker 1>we tell. We say that to our kids, like, yeah,

0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:48.800
<v Speaker 1>we like being Hillbillies. We were real comfortable with where

0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:51.280
<v Speaker 1>we come from and and who we are. But we

0:59:51.320 --> 0:59:53.640
<v Speaker 1>don't want that to limit us. We don't want our

0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:56.840
<v Speaker 1>are those things. So I'm real conscious of that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>real conscious of when I hear things I think, do

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<v Speaker 1>I think that way because I'm from Arkansas. Do I

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<v Speaker 1>think that way because I'm an American? Because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to just think that way. I want I want

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<v Speaker 1>this higher set of values to guide how I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to the Daniel Boone podcast and hearing him talk

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<v Speaker 1>about hearing like he is as an archetype of American identity,

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<v Speaker 1>I was kind of struck by there's things in me

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<v Speaker 1>that are in me because of those stories and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know it. I didn't even recognize it. They're

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<v Speaker 1>so default. I mean, there's an aspect of, even with

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<v Speaker 1>intentional building, to know the things that you're you're that

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<v Speaker 1>define you and to know how your national heritage defines

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<v Speaker 1>you and how and an intentional effort to not just

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<v Speaker 1>build your life that way. I wouldn't have said I

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<v Speaker 1>would have never told you. Yeah, I would have never

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<v Speaker 1>said Daniel Boone had a major impact on my life.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet I love adventure. That is what we set

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<v Speaker 1>out to do from the very beginning, and I did

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<v Speaker 1>not have the answers to it. Man. That's the one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that is true to this podcast is I genuinely

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<v Speaker 1>had a question. I think I want to answers right

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<v Speaker 1>on your hands that the question was, I wonder how

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<v Speaker 1>I've been impacted by Dan Boone and don't even know it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I suspected that we were, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>I would think it's not hard to think that you

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<v Speaker 1>were right, I mean, but when what was interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>me was because like I love I enjoy going camping,

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoy adventure, I enjoy taking the kids out hiking,

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<v Speaker 1>I like doing I like uh, kind of intensely pursuing things.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you were describing Daniel Boone as an American

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<v Speaker 1>archetype and someone who this is like part of the

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<v Speaker 1>American identity, I would not have thought that that is

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<v Speaker 1>something that shaped me just as a as a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>as a not I mean someone who are pre shapes

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<v Speaker 1>the outdoors but does not would not have described herself

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<v Speaker 1>as a woodsman. You know, those are those are not descriptors.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I see how you could have found that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wasn't expecting for me to find that, And

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what I found in it. And the this

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<v Speaker 1>last one, as I was I was driving to the

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<v Speaker 1>kids to school and listening to and I just thought, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that is that's kind of crazy, and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to me how we have those things that shape us,

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<v Speaker 1>and that shape are that that we don't even realize

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<v Speaker 1>like a default person is going to have that. And

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<v Speaker 1>one of the I you know, we have friends who

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<v Speaker 1>are from other countries, and they always kind of laugh

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<v Speaker 1>at us when we talk about for vacation, for relaxation,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna take our kids out in the woods, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they think that's kind of crazy. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>always thought that's funny that they think that. But I

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<v Speaker 1>realized it's Daniel Boone's fingerprints on our lives and and

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<v Speaker 1>all those guys, you know, those that we think that

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<v Speaker 1>that's fun, that we think that extra effort is fun,

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<v Speaker 1>and and it's I just would not have that. And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought your section Dan was so good because it

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<v Speaker 1>it's I mean, you had such firsthand experience with that

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<v Speaker 1>over China, just seeing that, you know, so in in

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<v Speaker 1>I've got the book my father Daniel Boone in my

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<v Speaker 1>hand here, I had some people asked me they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>more information on the latter part of Dan's life, how

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<v Speaker 1>active he was, because and and this is this was

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<v Speaker 1>a story that Nathan told Lyman Drake hashtag lionel Rich

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<v Speaker 1>Nate Nate Draper in the fall of eighteen seventeen, late November,

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<v Speaker 1>my father Daniel Boone. I like how Nathan always says

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<v Speaker 1>that my father, I know, there's something so appealing to me.

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<v Speaker 1>They were so regal in the way they spoke. My father,

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Boone entered then entering upon his eighty fourth year,

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<v Speaker 1>started it on a hunting trip with his grandson James Boone,

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<v Speaker 1>my oldest son. This was before Jesse Boone moved to

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<v Speaker 1>the country. They started each with mounted on horseback. Upon

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<v Speaker 1>leaving Flanders Callaway, they proceeded on and camped the first

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<v Speaker 1>night on the headwaters of the Share at about thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>miles from the Callaway house. Okay, let's just stop right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan's eighty four. He just rode a horse thirteen miles. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>can barely spend half an hour an old dozer. Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>When I first got into mules, part of what I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking, long term thinking, was when I'm an old man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have a craft and I'm gonna be able

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<v Speaker 1>to stay out there longer. When really it was a

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was like losers can't right, that's right. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I realized that you gotta be more athletic and

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<v Speaker 1>strong to ride a stinking mule or horse than it

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<v Speaker 1>is to walk. I mean, so generally people don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the flexibility and strength. And somebody can tell me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>about the guy that's ninety and still rides, and there

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<v Speaker 1>are those people. But generally to mount a horse or

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<v Speaker 1>an equine animal, it takes a lot of flexibility, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of core strengths. So anyway, it's notable that he's

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<v Speaker 1>eighty four and they've ridden not thirteen miles. Hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>they rode thirteen miles from the Calais house. Night overtook

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<v Speaker 1>them sooner than they expected, and they camped rather late

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<v Speaker 1>and had not had time to prepare shelter. That night,

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<v Speaker 1>two inches of snow fell. The snow glare of the

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<v Speaker 1>fire caused a wild duck to land inside beside the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>James Boone caught it easily. To his bewilderment, father was

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<v Speaker 1>exhilarated to be out camping again. He had brought his gun,

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<v Speaker 1>his kettle, a light axe, provision, and two or three traps.

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<v Speaker 1>He seemed to feel himself in his ancient element. After

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<v Speaker 1>the evening meal, he told stories of the olden time

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<v Speaker 1>adventures the pair had The duck for breakfast the next

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<v Speaker 1>morning and continued on their way. The weather had become okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight four year old man just camped on the ground

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<v Speaker 1>to his snow, just like whatever, and it made him

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<v Speaker 1>come alive. The pair had the duck for breakfast the

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<v Speaker 1>next morning continued on the way. The weather had become

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<v Speaker 1>cold and blustery, so they had to stop to make

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<v Speaker 1>a fire for father to warm himself. They went only

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<v Speaker 1>eight miles that day and stopped the House of Entertainment,

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<v Speaker 1>a house of entertainment at Camp Branch, a noted camping

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<v Speaker 1>place for travelers. The next day they went twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>miles to Lutra Lick. The weather had moderated a little

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<v Speaker 1>but was still cold, and all but two miles of

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<v Speaker 1>that day's travel was on exposed prairie. The cold had

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<v Speaker 1>affected my father's age frame, and he found he could

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<v Speaker 1>proceed no further since he could not bear the exposure.

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<v Speaker 1>He then decided to remain at his granddaughter's Miss Major

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<v Speaker 1>van Bibbers at Lutra Lick and abandoned the intended hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>He abandoned the hunt after two plus fourteen plus. Malachi

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<v Speaker 1>is the only one I trust. Thirty six mile horse

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<v Speaker 1>ride camping in two inches of snow, and he was like, man, James, sorry, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think this is gonna work out. Um No,

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<v Speaker 1>but incredible. And then I'm gonna read a statement that

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<v Speaker 1>we have all probably as hunters, made some version of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is gonna sound really familiar. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>the author of that familiarity. Do you see what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan Boone said this. My father said he was as

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<v Speaker 1>naturally inclined each fall to go hunting and trapping as

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<v Speaker 1>the farmer is in spring to set about putting in

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<v Speaker 1>his cross. That's good. I mean, he was just like

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<v Speaker 1>even at an old age, Dan was like, let's go,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go. He never he never lost that fire, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was notable. And then the day he

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<v Speaker 1>had the day before he died. If you remember Nathan

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<v Speaker 1>described as death. He said, he stood on the porch

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, man, if I feel good this good, tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'll ride the horse around the farm. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he went inside, took a nap, and a fever

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<v Speaker 1>came on him and he knew that it was his

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<v Speaker 1>last sickness. He told them that, I mean, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>wild that we know so much about this guy, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean down to his very thoughts, right up to his

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<v Speaker 1>last breath on the earth. Bizarre that we know so

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<v Speaker 1>much about this guy. You know, he he felt a

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<v Speaker 1>pain that he had never felt before. I mean, all

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<v Speaker 1>of us are pretty young. We hadn't died yet. Immediate

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<v Speaker 1>take note that if you feel a very strange I

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<v Speaker 1>mean like he knew he was like this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is the one when he felt that burning sensation. They

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<v Speaker 1>refused the medication and he had his family all come around.

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<v Speaker 1>Man talking to Robert Morgan about death and the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>was really moving. Um. I mean he he's an old

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<v Speaker 1>man himself and he uh, it's just the way that

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<v Speaker 1>we deal with death today. It's so bizarre compared to

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<v Speaker 1>the experiences of most humans that have lived on planet Earth. Yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, wild old d Boone man the dog, the dog. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a good thing. This is a really good

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<v Speaker 1>not too bad. Good job. Nuke the next one you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that's still under reps. It better be good,

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<v Speaker 1>pal for this to kind of how long can we

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<v Speaker 1>keep this up? Oh? Man? No? What has been cool

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<v Speaker 1>about this podcast? And and that's this is what we

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<v Speaker 1>do at the renders behind the scenes. This thing's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of taking a life of its own a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like this is not really what we totally

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<v Speaker 1>planned to do. Did we have a plan. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's significance in looking back at these guys, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know my closing commentary at the end about American identity,

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<v Speaker 1>that is something that I am very passionate about, very

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<v Speaker 1>passionate about. They're bigger fish to fry on planet Earth

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<v Speaker 1>than than us maintaining our hunting privileges in this country, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and that's kind of what a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people that listen to this podcast and me are interested in,

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<v Speaker 1>is like the preservation of our way of life. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's so much bigger than that though. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>just I want my sons to be able to go

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<v Speaker 1>and hunt a deer so that their heart will beat fast,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that they can experience what it means to

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<v Speaker 1>be a woodsman and and and and engage with nature

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<v Speaker 1>in that way. What I'm really saying is I want

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<v Speaker 1>what I want them to have the opportunity to be

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<v Speaker 1>who I have been and what I have, what I

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<v Speaker 1>am is deeply connected to this thing, this way of life,

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<v Speaker 1>and what's happening inside of in our country maybe other

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<v Speaker 1>places too, is that it's like it's like we're trying

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to snuff out this, They're trying to snuff

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<v Speaker 1>out the woodsman. They're trying to snuff like they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not a relevant part of our society anymore.

1:12:25.240 --> 1:12:28.120
<v Speaker 1>We don't need hunters. And that's happened in lots of

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<v Speaker 1>different ways, and that's not what this is about. But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, essentially, what my appeal was, make a place,

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<v Speaker 1>a perpetual place at the table of the people who

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<v Speaker 1>get to decide what American identity is. Leave a chair

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<v Speaker 1>for us, Leave a chair for us. That's all we ask. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>There are people in this country that don't care a

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<v Speaker 1>thing about wild places. That is fine. Their world revolves

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<v Speaker 1>around urban life. And I mean the vast majority of

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<v Speaker 1>this country, I mean lives in very urban places, and

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<v Speaker 1>they have heroes and they have things that they pound

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<v Speaker 1>the table for about their way of life, which absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>has a right. They have a right to put their

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<v Speaker 1>fingerprint on the American identity. America developed as a melting

1:13:18.320 --> 1:13:21.439
<v Speaker 1>pot of all these different cultures. We see it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what we're saying is that the woodsman is a legitimate

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<v Speaker 1>voice inside today. And my only appeal was, let the

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<v Speaker 1>woodsman manage the wild places in the wildlife of this country.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really that simple, because that's the way it works now,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the way it has worked for the last two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years. And to cut to it, just a talking

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<v Speaker 1>point that is true is there are more big game

1:13:49.960 --> 1:13:53.320
<v Speaker 1>and thriving big game in North America than any place

1:13:53.400 --> 1:13:58.080
<v Speaker 1>on the planet. And it's because of the woodsman valued

1:13:58.240 --> 1:14:04.080
<v Speaker 1>wild places. They've value the wilderness, they valued that majestic buck,

1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:09.960
<v Speaker 1>they valued Deeboon, devalued those bears such that he made

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<v Speaker 1>a cultural imprint on us. And that value today in

1:14:14.520 --> 1:14:20.120
<v Speaker 1>a highly urbanized world translates into that we have said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some places where civilization is not coming, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>marking these places off, and we're gonna manage the game.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a confined area, natural game populations are

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<v Speaker 1>designed to expand, and they can't expand, so we need

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<v Speaker 1>to hunt them a little bit. We're gonna take out

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<v Speaker 1>ten percent of the population every year through sport hunting.

1:14:40.080 --> 1:14:42.639
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna train our kids to be woodsman. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>train them to to harvest and process wild game and

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<v Speaker 1>bring it home and have the most ethically harvested, sustainable,

1:14:49.960 --> 1:14:53.839
<v Speaker 1>healthy meat rocket fuel on the planet. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>very valuable thing to society. We're saying, let us keep

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<v Speaker 1>doing that, and we'll let you keep doing the things

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<v Speaker 1>that you're interested in. Skateboards, keep keep riding your horses,

1:15:06.920 --> 1:15:09.000
<v Speaker 1>will ride our mules, you know. And the thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not only it's not it's it's that. Plus you're

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<v Speaker 1>turning out young men and women with integrity and humility

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<v Speaker 1>and values that are higher than we like to hunt,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Or it makes my heart race. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>like Daniel Boone, through a hard life of risk and

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<v Speaker 1>adventure and and real challenges in nature, learned character and

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<v Speaker 1>in the end he might ironically, even though he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of embodied the American narrative, I go out and I

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<v Speaker 1>dominate the wild. Ironically, according to the World standards, he

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<v Speaker 1>ended the life of poor man little known, but really

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of character and integrity and love for his family,

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<v Speaker 1>he won. Uh. He won big. And that's what And

1:15:56.800 --> 1:15:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and we want that for our kids, and we want

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<v Speaker 1>that for a emilies. And you know, I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>dedication to craft does it's not the only thing that

1:16:08.080 --> 1:16:10.040
<v Speaker 1>makes you a good human. It's not at all. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like you could be a hunter and be a dirt

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<v Speaker 1>ball and love to hunt. That is entirely possible. But

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<v Speaker 1>when things that take the dedication of a lifetime to

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<v Speaker 1>master become something that you focus on, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>have a whole bunch of other stuff in your life built, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So there's correlations, there's connections. Look, I glanced at Malachi

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<v Speaker 1>when I said that word, he's our correlation, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a really good point that I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of was raised with the mindset that if you like,

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<v Speaker 1>cobbies were not great, they weren't very productive. They were

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<v Speaker 1>almost like they're kind of inferior people with hobbies that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of first of all, we wouldn't call him craft.

1:16:51.880 --> 1:16:53.840
<v Speaker 1>We call it what you're doing. What you're describing a

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<v Speaker 1>craft as a craft, we would describe it as you know. Um,

1:17:04.040 --> 1:17:06.320
<v Speaker 1>So there was almost it was kind of an imbalanced

1:17:06.360 --> 1:17:09.439
<v Speaker 1>because work and productivity was such a highly valuable thing

1:17:10.120 --> 1:17:13.000
<v Speaker 1>that that would be the thing. But that's that's really

1:17:13.200 --> 1:17:15.960
<v Speaker 1>wrong and imbalanced. And I think that when you want

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<v Speaker 1>of the real values that we've wanted in part to

1:17:18.360 --> 1:17:20.719
<v Speaker 1>our kids is not that you're, you know, just always

1:17:21.360 --> 1:17:24.240
<v Speaker 1>doing stuff for no purpose than than just to have hobbies,

1:17:24.320 --> 1:17:27.960
<v Speaker 1>but that you build a craft because the craft builds you,

1:17:28.280 --> 1:17:30.920
<v Speaker 1>and the craft as a tool to actually construct a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of other things. So we've been real comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>with our kids really getting into whether it be hunting

1:17:36.320 --> 1:17:39.719
<v Speaker 1>or our sports or things like that, because we realize

1:17:39.760 --> 1:17:42.040
<v Speaker 1>that it's in life, it's in the doing, it's in

1:17:42.080 --> 1:17:45.400
<v Speaker 1>the living where all these other things can be shaped,

1:17:45.400 --> 1:17:47.599
<v Speaker 1>and we can't compartmentalize and say, well, these things get

1:17:47.600 --> 1:17:50.360
<v Speaker 1>shaped over here, but not over here. And so I

1:17:50.720 --> 1:17:53.640
<v Speaker 1>think that's that's a really good point to that you

1:17:53.760 --> 1:18:01.200
<v Speaker 1>just made their nuke. I think I think I've heard

1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:04.200
<v Speaker 1>you talk about that, misty in terms of like I

1:18:04.360 --> 1:18:06.800
<v Speaker 1>came from more of a background and a childhood of

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<v Speaker 1>like video games, television and riding my bicycle to work.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard you talk about just the nature of young

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<v Speaker 1>men specifically, but I'm sure in humanity not limited to

1:18:17.400 --> 1:18:21.519
<v Speaker 1>young men learning to overcome something versus the current culture

1:18:21.560 --> 1:18:24.880
<v Speaker 1>which video games is an easy way provides an opportunity

1:18:24.920 --> 1:18:27.120
<v Speaker 1>for you to feel like you have master to craft

1:18:27.320 --> 1:18:29.840
<v Speaker 1>or overcome an obstacle, but in reality, you have not.

1:18:29.960 --> 1:18:34.639
<v Speaker 1>It is a simulated experience and seeing the correlation more

1:18:34.760 --> 1:18:38.360
<v Speaker 1>deeply of what it takes to build a lifestyle of

1:18:38.400 --> 1:18:40.920
<v Speaker 1>mastering and craft or overcoming an obstacle. That's been a

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<v Speaker 1>transition of my life as well. And I appreciate the

1:18:43.360 --> 1:18:44.920
<v Speaker 1>things that you guys are saying about. It makes a

1:18:44.960 --> 1:18:50.400
<v Speaker 1>lot more senses. Yeah. Closing thoughts throw Um David throw

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<v Speaker 1>was influenced by Daniel Bone and one of my favorite

1:18:53.600 --> 1:18:57.160
<v Speaker 1>quotes of his was all good things are wild and free.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. That's says of love to me velvet pipes

1:19:01.880 --> 1:19:07.639
<v Speaker 1>with a microp. I love that section so much. Yeah,

1:19:07.920 --> 1:19:12.759
<v Speaker 1>very good, very good. Yeah. Dan, that guys like Thorow

1:19:13.280 --> 1:19:17.120
<v Speaker 1>would look to somebody like Daniel Boone and not Thomas Jefferson,

1:19:17.640 --> 1:19:20.800
<v Speaker 1>I think, says a Toime. I'm certainly. I'm sure Thomas

1:19:20.840 --> 1:19:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Jefferson had an impact on j But you know what

1:19:25.640 --> 1:19:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's great influence, you know, Jonathan. Closing thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>A question is my closing thought? What is the gauntlet?

1:19:34.439 --> 1:19:38.360
<v Speaker 1>When Daniel Boone was taken captive and he said, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll turn over my men. I haven't surrender as long

1:19:40.439 --> 1:19:42.120
<v Speaker 1>as you promised not to kill us or make us

1:19:42.160 --> 1:19:45.400
<v Speaker 1>run the gauntlet? What's I don't let me speak for

1:19:45.439 --> 1:19:52.080
<v Speaker 1>those people on this podcast. No, because you know you're

1:19:52.080 --> 1:19:57.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to run. I wrote a paper in college

1:19:57.520 --> 1:20:01.000
<v Speaker 1>called the Education Gauntlet. I wish I would find it.

1:20:01.080 --> 1:20:04.760
<v Speaker 1>They'd probably put it in like New York Times, And

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<v Speaker 1>basically it was my assessment of my college education. When

1:20:10.439 --> 1:20:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I get to the end, there's not a ton of value,

1:20:13.360 --> 1:20:15.400
<v Speaker 1>but I have just proved that I can take it

1:20:15.439 --> 1:20:22.080
<v Speaker 1>in the face. For like five years. That was my

1:20:22.360 --> 1:20:25.759
<v Speaker 1>initial thought of I haven't told you what the gauntlet

1:20:25.840 --> 1:20:29.240
<v Speaker 1>is yet. There's a build up. Now that I'm older,

1:20:29.360 --> 1:20:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I realized that that was really formative in my development

1:20:33.120 --> 1:20:35.759
<v Speaker 1>was going through college. The gauntlet is when they would

1:20:35.840 --> 1:20:39.360
<v Speaker 1>line up on they would like have like twenty people

1:20:39.800 --> 1:20:42.759
<v Speaker 1>facing twenty people and leave like a five foot span

1:20:42.840 --> 1:20:46.479
<v Speaker 1>and everybody would have clubs and rocks and sticks and dirt,

1:20:46.800 --> 1:20:49.519
<v Speaker 1>and a guy would have to run through the center,

1:20:49.760 --> 1:20:52.920
<v Speaker 1>like you know, and they would just pummel him. I mean,

1:20:52.960 --> 1:20:54.719
<v Speaker 1>I know it from a football context, but I didn't

1:20:54.720 --> 1:20:58.080
<v Speaker 1>realize that that was a that was an ancient common

1:20:58.280 --> 1:21:00.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Boon knew it enough that he was like

1:21:01.600 --> 1:21:05.160
<v Speaker 1>all surrender all these guys as long as you promised

1:21:05.280 --> 1:21:07.559
<v Speaker 1>not to make them run the Gauntlet. And do you

1:21:07.600 --> 1:21:11.640
<v Speaker 1>know what old Blackfish did is Blackfish took all the

1:21:11.680 --> 1:21:14.120
<v Speaker 1>guys and then when they got them back to camp,

1:21:14.400 --> 1:21:17.800
<v Speaker 1>they started forming a gauntlet line. And Boone said, you

1:21:17.880 --> 1:21:20.360
<v Speaker 1>said we weren't gonna have to run the Gauntlet, and

1:21:20.439 --> 1:21:23.640
<v Speaker 1>he said, Blackfish said, I said they wouldn't have to

1:21:23.720 --> 1:21:26.919
<v Speaker 1>run the Gauntlet. He said, I never said you wouldn't

1:21:27.600 --> 1:21:41.320
<v Speaker 1>for real here, I mean really like there there was

1:21:41.400 --> 1:21:45.160
<v Speaker 1>something cultural but running the Gauntlet that I mean Blackfish like,

1:21:45.280 --> 1:21:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I think you really loved Boone and but he was

1:21:48.439 --> 1:21:52.680
<v Speaker 1>just like, bro, I'm sorry, there's no way out. And

1:21:52.680 --> 1:21:58.559
<v Speaker 1>and Boone made uh a spectacle of them. He ran in.

1:21:58.720 --> 1:22:01.479
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember the details. He ran the Gauntlet multiple

1:22:01.520 --> 1:22:03.719
<v Speaker 1>times in his life. I mean, this is not a movie.

1:22:03.760 --> 1:22:06.280
<v Speaker 1>This is a man. This would be like me or

1:22:06.360 --> 1:22:09.080
<v Speaker 1>you sitting here going yeah, man, when when I was

1:22:09.120 --> 1:22:12.200
<v Speaker 1>down there, they kidnapped me and for four months and

1:22:12.360 --> 1:22:15.200
<v Speaker 1>ran the Gauntlet and some of the most fierce people

1:22:15.200 --> 1:22:18.040
<v Speaker 1>in the Gauntlet where the women, they were just like hostile.

1:22:18.479 --> 1:22:22.479
<v Speaker 1>And what he did is he he faked one way

1:22:22.520 --> 1:22:25.600
<v Speaker 1>like he ran and this is why. I remember he

1:22:25.840 --> 1:22:29.479
<v Speaker 1>faked one way and then turned and smacked over a

1:22:29.520 --> 1:22:34.400
<v Speaker 1>bunch of women and and it through the whole thing

1:22:35.600 --> 1:22:39.639
<v Speaker 1>umble and he made it through like with minimal whooping.

1:22:39.840 --> 1:22:41.679
<v Speaker 1>What's the what was the value? Like if you could

1:22:41.720 --> 1:22:47.160
<v Speaker 1>get through and not be knocked out somehow? It was?

1:22:47.280 --> 1:22:49.799
<v Speaker 1>It was it was just what they did to their

1:22:50.040 --> 1:22:54.439
<v Speaker 1>their captors. So you've done wrong and this is the

1:22:54.479 --> 1:22:56.680
<v Speaker 1>part of the price you But after he ran it,

1:22:56.800 --> 1:22:59.600
<v Speaker 1>he was respected. They were like a good job. That

1:22:59.640 --> 1:23:05.240
<v Speaker 1>was pretty good man. Closing thoughts, Malachi, Yeah, you know,

1:23:05.560 --> 1:23:07.439
<v Speaker 1>as you were talking about like having to see at

1:23:07.479 --> 1:23:11.440
<v Speaker 1>the table, I think and listening to the three podcasts,

1:23:11.800 --> 1:23:14.559
<v Speaker 1>I think what what comes to mind is the power

1:23:14.640 --> 1:23:20.480
<v Speaker 1>of articulation and also the power of invitation, of articulating

1:23:20.800 --> 1:23:25.920
<v Speaker 1>your stories and inviting non quote unquote non woodsman to

1:23:26.080 --> 1:23:29.040
<v Speaker 1>partake of that, how powerful that is. And as a

1:23:29.080 --> 1:23:33.840
<v Speaker 1>non woodsman, I think our response is the power of

1:23:33.880 --> 1:23:38.000
<v Speaker 1>not assuming and the power of trying trying it because

1:23:38.040 --> 1:23:41.880
<v Speaker 1>recognizing how much you learn just from not assuming and

1:23:42.160 --> 1:23:46.360
<v Speaker 1>trying something different, um, how much how much life that

1:23:46.439 --> 1:23:49.639
<v Speaker 1>brings to you. And I think that's how you can

1:23:49.840 --> 1:23:52.559
<v Speaker 1>get to see at the table and that's how you

1:23:52.760 --> 1:23:55.280
<v Speaker 1>open up a seat at the table. So I think

1:23:55.320 --> 1:24:00.519
<v Speaker 1>those we consider you a pre woodsman. You're not a

1:24:00.600 --> 1:24:04.799
<v Speaker 1>non woodsman. You just don't know what you guys Hunter's

1:24:04.840 --> 1:24:14.400
<v Speaker 1>license two years in a row. Respect all right, Well, hey,

1:24:14.800 --> 1:24:17.320
<v Speaker 1>no more, no more Boon podcast unless we come back

1:24:17.360 --> 1:24:22.080
<v Speaker 1>for part two. Dang, and we could always die back in.

1:24:22.520 --> 1:24:25.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm already researching another character that I'm probably gonna do

1:24:25.760 --> 1:24:29.639
<v Speaker 1>at some point, Dolly Parton. I would like Dolly Parton

1:24:29.720 --> 1:24:32.720
<v Speaker 1>on this Burger's podcast. Anybody knows or let her know,

1:24:33.040 --> 1:24:36.680
<v Speaker 1>bring her to the Render. Yep, she could definitely do

1:24:36.760 --> 1:24:39.240
<v Speaker 1>the live music. Yeah, I was disappointed. I thought the

1:24:39.240 --> 1:24:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Render had live music. Man, I was ready to hear

1:24:45.600 --> 1:24:49.120
<v Speaker 1>another door. I'm sorry, Yes I do. Let's experience it.

1:24:49.240 --> 1:24:54.680
<v Speaker 1>It is so good. This will be your last. I

1:24:54.760 --> 1:25:00.000
<v Speaker 1>knew I was the contest when this time, Mr Really

1:25:00.040 --> 1:25:07.920
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't like the song It's Missy's birthday, don't play Okay, okay,

1:25:07.960 --> 1:25:13.680
<v Speaker 1>so listen to this song. This song is a spoof.

1:25:14.880 --> 1:25:19.360
<v Speaker 1>It's a spoof. You realize it's a joke. Okay, So

1:25:19.600 --> 1:25:23.720
<v Speaker 1>it's and if you remember when I got on that

1:25:23.800 --> 1:25:26.759
<v Speaker 1>dozer that first day and I came back to the render.

1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I've been on the dozer. Everybody was like, play is different,

1:25:30.880 --> 1:25:36.320
<v Speaker 1>little bit peppy. He'd been intoxicated with power. Okay, do

1:25:36.320 --> 1:25:38.760
<v Speaker 1>you remember that? So you need to have that in

1:25:38.800 --> 1:25:42.200
<v Speaker 1>your mind. It's an inside joke, okay. The second thing

1:25:42.439 --> 1:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>was it was I made some some we made some

1:25:46.120 --> 1:25:53.160
<v Speaker 1>commentary about the cat dozer, okay, and we talked about

1:25:53.160 --> 1:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>it being a black cat. Okay, are we ready? We're ready.

1:25:59.120 --> 1:26:03.360
<v Speaker 1>We're called up. Love you. He was riding a cat

1:26:03.560 --> 1:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>dozer on the mountains south of town. He was pushing

1:26:09.400 --> 1:26:15.439
<v Speaker 1>them trees over and the rocks that tumble down. She

1:26:15.720 --> 1:26:19.439
<v Speaker 1>was back home, praying that a bore would settle down.

1:26:21.920 --> 1:26:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Deep down, she knew he'd probably never come back around.

1:26:28.560 --> 1:26:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Big black cat, don't take my soul away from me.

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<v Speaker 1>Unbridled power can't change me into the fees like that

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<v Speaker 1>deesel rumbles, those big pines hit the ground, that sand

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<v Speaker 1>rock tumble. That's a girl again. The brown only wanted

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<v Speaker 1>was the place to settle down in the mountains with

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<v Speaker 1>a view and a glow and fire on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Big cat, don't take my soul away from me. Unbridled

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<v Speaker 1>power can't change me into a fees like long Live

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Pamper in Mesy. He'll take your soul, your

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<v Speaker 1>body and mine, big black cat, don't take my soul.

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<v Speaker 1>Ohay from me. I'm sorry, you st dog. That's awesome,

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<v Speaker 1>that's amazing. I'll be downloading and on Spotify or wherever

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<v Speaker 1>you get you balance just right down, No that uh

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, A little bit