Speaker 1: Yeah, my name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production
Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called the bear Grease Render
Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast presented by f
Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made, purpose built hunting and fishing gear
Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. Guys,
Speaker 1: We've got an exclusive bear Grease discount code for f
Speaker 1: h F Gear that's fish Hunt Fight Gear. I've been
Speaker 1: using their products for the last year and I love
Speaker 1: carrying my gear in a chest rig or my binos
Speaker 1: and their bino harness. It's easier and more accessible than
Speaker 1: a backpack and it doesn't get in the way when
Speaker 1: I'm riding my mule. For a limited time, you can
Speaker 1: head over to f h F gear dot com forward
Speaker 1: slash bear Grease and listeners to this year podcast get
Speaker 1: a discount on purchases for your f h F Gear
Speaker 1: system and you can see how I build my gear system.
Speaker 1: So go to f h F gear dot com forward
Speaker 1: slash bear Grease for a special code. If you're buying
Speaker 1: stuff from f h F Gear, check it out fish
Speaker 1: Hunt Fight f h F Gear. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: tense moment today with Mr new we bothering you anything
Speaker 1: like I was playing Candy Crush. He's on the He's
Speaker 1: on the Grease podcast. He's a little bit overwhelming that
Speaker 1: for those of us who have alternate jobs in the day,
Speaker 1: it can kind of dominate your life a little bit.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it as the outsider coming
Speaker 1: in the Bear Grease is in a full time position.
Speaker 1: Full time. We do that poorly, so you gotta have
Speaker 1: your side hustle, like welcome to the Bear Grease Render. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm very excited about today. I uh, I've got a
Speaker 1: lot to say. Oh man, I've got a lot to say. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: the dozer. Hey, We've got we've got one person that
Speaker 1: is back from wherever they came from. We've got one
Speaker 1: new person on the Bear Grease Render. We've got three
Speaker 1: three old hats. We've got three to our left, to
Speaker 1: my left, Missy newcom Welcome back, Misty, Misty necomes. Birthday
Speaker 1: today goes special. I love birthdays. You stop having them,
Speaker 1: there's an issue, So happy birthday too. Misty's left. Maliki Nichols, Hey,
Speaker 1: did you hear did you hear? You got a shout
Speaker 1: out on the last render, I didn't. Oh, okay, that
Speaker 1: means you didn't. That was a test, No, we said,
Speaker 1: we said, uh, someone was dressed like Maliki Nichols. I
Speaker 1: can't remember who it was. You said the stand dude,
Speaker 1: they were well dressed though that they were well dressed,
Speaker 1: and they yeah, they like Maliki Nichols. Where you been, man, Man,
Speaker 1: I've been grinding, just doing what you have to do.
Speaker 1: Do you want to tell people what you do for
Speaker 1: a living? Sure? Sure? Like I I worked for education
Speaker 1: nonprofit UM and so I manage and developed programs for
Speaker 1: school districts and state leaders. So I'm traveling around the
Speaker 1: state and working hard. And you're in Arkansas hunting license holder.
Speaker 1: I am two years in a row. Two years in
Speaker 1: a row. It's real good, supporting conservation, conservation warrior. That's
Speaker 1: a trim, real serious. To your left, the new man
Speaker 1: in the render in the circle in the arena, Jonathan Webster, Hello,
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here. Listen. It's like winning the contest.
Speaker 1: You just listen to enough episodes and it's like you
Speaker 1: submit your your applicates. What it felt like when you
Speaker 1: got the invite? Listen, it was experience. I looked at
Speaker 1: my wife and said, it's happening. That's happening. Jonathan is
Speaker 1: a longtime friend of ours. He and his wife are
Speaker 1: longtime friends of Missing And Jonathan has been on the
Speaker 1: Bear Hunting magazine podcast. Yeah man, we went coon, honey
Speaker 1: and uh we did. We also had a different We've
Speaker 1: been on a couple episodes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can I
Speaker 1: help give Jonathan an introduct I mean, Jonathan is one
Speaker 1: of the most intellectually curious people. Oh my gosh, wow,
Speaker 1: this is sorry. Hey, y'all just saw something that happened
Speaker 1: that that defines my life. Like I know why Jonathan
Speaker 1: is here. It's like, I'm like, Jonathan needs to be here.
Speaker 1: I have no idea why. He's the most intellectually curious
Speaker 1: person we know. And I'm like, that's it. I got
Speaker 1: it right. You see what I'm saying, Like, you're going
Speaker 1: with your guy? Yeah, I do. And I've found it
Speaker 1: to be right a lot wrong. Something. I'm putting that
Speaker 1: on my resume. You got called out do your left
Speaker 1: Dr Daniel Route hey Man home run appearance on The
Speaker 1: Burgers podcast. It was great. Hey, really, i I've listened
Speaker 1: to it multiple times. Are in the conversation and what
Speaker 1: you guys wouldn't know, and again the reason for the
Speaker 1: burglary strangers to go behind the scenes. Dan and I
Speaker 1: talked for probably thirty six point to five minutes exactly,
Speaker 1: and we had multiple do overs of certain parts of
Speaker 1: the conversation because it was a complex conversation. We and
Speaker 1: we had these little different pieces and it was stitched
Speaker 1: together as if it was just I couldn't even tell.
Speaker 1: I told my wife when I heard it, I was like,
Speaker 1: he really makes somebody sound smarter than I thought, Dan, Rupe,
Speaker 1: isn't that It really was the stuff about and and
Speaker 1: you brought home the point that I wanted to see
Speaker 1: inside the whole podcast, which was Boone's finger rent on
Speaker 1: us where we didn't even know it. So I want
Speaker 1: to come back to that section because I mean, it
Speaker 1: was incredible to your left, Brent Reeves, Brent, everybody good
Speaker 1: to see it, man, it is good to be seen.
Speaker 1: Thanks for thanks for coming. BRIT's name has been popping
Speaker 1: up quite a bit in the Canada. I could when
Speaker 1: I saw it, I could hardly call him Brent. I
Speaker 1: had to call it. I wanted to calm Velvet as
Speaker 1: soon as he talked. I just thought, velvet, I have
Speaker 1: no idea what that guy is talking about. Hey, his
Speaker 1: name was white Tail. Would a maker. I'm available to
Speaker 1: narrate your laugh but he just all right, you gotta
Speaker 1: get you gotta start a cameo account. You know what
Speaker 1: that is. I think this is a great idea. I
Speaker 1: support this. I think it's I think that's what it's called.
Speaker 1: It's an app where you can have you pay to
Speaker 1: have people like wish you happy birthday. Yeah. So basically
Speaker 1: you said up this. I mean, I don't know how
Speaker 1: it works, but I didn't charge, so you could do.
Speaker 1: You could charge. You can charge whatever you wanted. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know there's like one time for ten million dollars.
Speaker 1: But it's worth a shot. And they were all retiring everybody. Okay, listen,
Speaker 1: I have dramatically overreacted. Okay, y'all remember too ago when
Speaker 1: I came in with my tail between my legs saying
Speaker 1: that I had been called out, the whistle had been
Speaker 1: blown when I told the story of the game warden
Speaker 1: and our friend Alex was like, Clay, you've lost a
Speaker 1: lot of credibility because you told the story and you
Speaker 1: embellished it. Man, I finally listened to the story myself. Man, Okay,
Speaker 1: nice trial. This reminds me I'm gonna go back to
Speaker 1: another story in my life that I feel like now
Speaker 1: I might have overreacted. Were you in a courtroom at
Speaker 1: the time. I remember when I was in kindergarten. I
Speaker 1: wish Gary Nucolm was here. When I was in kindergarten,
Speaker 1: there was a boy named Ricky, and if anybody wanted
Speaker 1: to like look him up, I'd like to talk to him.
Speaker 1: Ricky usually he kindergarten. Ricky never made it to first grade.
Speaker 1: Ricky like he was just in and out, you know,
Speaker 1: to our school system. I presumably, I don't know. Ricky
Speaker 1: keyed in on the fact that I did not cuss. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it must have been a rough class I think about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, do a lot of kidding. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But he keyed in on it, and he could tell that,
Speaker 1: like I was very dead set on not ain't bad words.
Speaker 1: And he started going, hey, Clay, I heard you say
Speaker 1: a bad word. And I would just be like, no,
Speaker 1: you did, Ricky, And he tormented me for weeks by saying,
Speaker 1: I mean I can still see the twinkle in his eye,
Speaker 1: and I this was a defining moment of my young manhood.
Speaker 1: I marched up to Gary nucom after weeks of this,
Speaker 1: I just took a deep breath. I mean it was vivid.
Speaker 1: It was like I was like manning up and I said, Dad,
Speaker 1: if you get a call from my teacher and she
Speaker 1: says that I said a bad word, it's not true
Speaker 1: because I didn't. There's a boy in my class name
Speaker 1: Ricky that that is accusing me of saying bad words
Speaker 1: and I don't now. And Gary Nuclem just said, thank
Speaker 1: you for telling me, Son, I really appreciate you telling me,
Speaker 1: you know, just bringing this to me. Okay, I feel like,
Speaker 1: now that I'm in my early forties that perhaps overreacted.
Speaker 1: Rickey's middle name is Alex Hey. So you remember I
Speaker 1: told you I had not listened to the Meteor Campfire Stories.
Speaker 1: So for someone who hadn't caught up on this, I
Speaker 1: told a story in effort to talk about the Meteor
Speaker 1: camp Fire Stories audio book that's out right now. I
Speaker 1: hadn't listened to the story someone. And I might even
Speaker 1: reveal who that someone was. I've been hiding their identity
Speaker 1: because I felt like they had told me, you know,
Speaker 1: a bad story. Does your eye contact in this room
Speaker 1: indicate who that person is? No, they're not down here here.
Speaker 1: So I tell the story on the on the render,
Speaker 1: and then people are like, Clay, you told the story back. Well,
Speaker 1: I listened to this worry. Finally, when I was driving
Speaker 1: the Canada last week, Man, there were just a few
Speaker 1: minor details minor. The only thing that I put in
Speaker 1: there that I can recall from memory of what I
Speaker 1: said was I said there was a high speed car chase.
Speaker 1: There was no high speed car chase. Okay, is a
Speaker 1: little bit. High speed car chases almost every hazards. It
Speaker 1: would have been an embellishment if I had said the
Speaker 1: game boarding came up on two wheels and ramps. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I told the story, I mean very close to
Speaker 1: that one dramatic high speed he was chasing the guy.
Speaker 1: He saw the lights, and he saw the guy turned
Speaker 1: down the road, and he goes to the road. I
Speaker 1: presume he was going above the speed limit, Okay. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I doubt he was like, well, I guess
Speaker 1: I'll just toddle around up here. But I felt like
Speaker 1: it was a high speed Carson was not, but it
Speaker 1: was just like that he went to a mud hole.
Speaker 1: He got out with his flashlight this game boarden and
Speaker 1: looked in the mud hole. Did not perceive that a
Speaker 1: vehicle had driven through it. He was like, was coining
Speaker 1: about five miles. And he said, and it was just
Speaker 1: like that. The sociopath who was wanted for attempted homicide
Speaker 1: was waiting fifty feet away in his car with an
Speaker 1: oozy sticking out the window, and when he crossed the
Speaker 1: mud hole, he was gonna shoot the game board. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I just feel like I've overreacted a little bit. That's all.
Speaker 1: Hm um, just a few other you feel vindicated. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. Remember you should finish that story
Speaker 1: where I found five dollars, right. Uh, Okay, there's there's
Speaker 1: a there is a review on iTunes, and the way
Speaker 1: it started out, it's a five star review, a legitimate
Speaker 1: five star review. Okay. But he says, and I was,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just gonna be honest. I was a
Speaker 1: little bit. Uh. I'll let you guys decide what you
Speaker 1: how you felt like I felt. He said, don't judge
Speaker 1: a podcast. That's his title, And he says, don't let
Speaker 1: the cover photo fool you. Clay Nukeam isn't just another
Speaker 1: knuckle head on a mule mule exactly. That's my first
Speaker 1: question to the guy is like, is this a theme?
Speaker 1: And you know there's some implications to this, just as
Speaker 1: if anybody who rides a mule is going to be
Speaker 1: a knucklehead, Like you're like, oh, dude on a mule,
Speaker 1: probably a knucklehead. Another one of those. Yeah, wait aube
Speaker 1: I proved a point. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Hey,
Speaker 1: let me let me tell you something like this. This
Speaker 1: is interesting. So I'm reading a book. You're reading the
Speaker 1: book too, Yeah, it's really good. Don't don't don't tell
Speaker 1: the name of it in this book. I don't know
Speaker 1: people who wrote in this book. Well, I can't get
Speaker 1: into it's gonna be too big of a spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: But mules have for centuries, if not thousands of years,
Speaker 1: been a second rate equine animal from a social status
Speaker 1: because there was a there was a Oh man, can
Speaker 1: you think I can go into the details? You can? Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I have like three pages left, okay, no, anyway,
Speaker 1: like so anyway, there's something. But then he goes on
Speaker 1: to give a ray view. You know, this is very
Speaker 1: entertaining educational show done professionally and intellectually. Like, but he's like,
Speaker 1: don't don't let the mule throw you off. Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: There there is a social there's there's a descriptor for
Speaker 1: something that happens when people that are extremely wealthy down dress.
Speaker 1: And I heard a podcast one time where if you
Speaker 1: go into like Macy's in New York and you're looking
Speaker 1: around at the people in the store and you were
Speaker 1: trying to make a judgment on their financial status, most
Speaker 1: likely the person in there that is like a millionaire
Speaker 1: is like wearing like jogging pants and a T shirt
Speaker 1: and like flip flops. Probably he's got a mule, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So because the guy that's dressed up
Speaker 1: real fancy and and there's a there's a term to
Speaker 1: describe it, and I includes me know, there's a term
Speaker 1: to describe it basically where you like dress up like
Speaker 1: so like if someone's like decked out telegraph, probably like
Speaker 1: they're they're wanting to say to this, these are my people.
Speaker 1: And the person that doesn't care because they've already been
Speaker 1: through all that. So when you see somebody riding you
Speaker 1: can be like, man, this guy is just trying to wait.
Speaker 1: Are you making it a blanket statement about all horse
Speaker 1: riders right now? Well, I don't know. I'm not every
Speaker 1: horse rider. When you see a guy riding a horse,
Speaker 1: every horse rider is just trying to be cool. And
Speaker 1: the guys that are on the mules have already been
Speaker 1: through that stage and they're just ground out. Good time
Speaker 1: to stop everyone polarizes. American nation has been polarized again. Okay, um, okay.
Speaker 1: There was another guy. Uh, this guy Don wrote me
Speaker 1: today and he said, uh, he's the one that said
Speaker 1: he was uncertain if if I was if he was
Speaker 1: comfortable with with us calling Dan like Dan Danny boy
Speaker 1: b I'm on, Don, don't listen. Okay, So Don says,
Speaker 1: just finished the third Boon Boon podcast, best of all three.
Speaker 1: I've come clear on my position that I indeed hate
Speaker 1: it when you call him, but listen, I'm glad you
Speaker 1: guys laughed because it isn't in fact his name or appropriate.
Speaker 1: But for no other reason than the jealous tange I
Speaker 1: get when you say it. It makes me feel like
Speaker 1: he would like you better. Then says, love what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Keep with the fantastic work. Referencing the lifestyle that has
Speaker 1: informed so much of who I am. So don it's
Speaker 1: like if Dan Boone were alive. Okay, I don't think
Speaker 1: you'd like you another fool on a Mule's tagline for
Speaker 1: your podcast, Forget that Things Forgotten. You may not be
Speaker 1: able to tell it by the way I'm dressed, but uh,
Speaker 1: I just got off of the mule. I've been on
Speaker 1: an adventure this morning. I had to leave. I had
Speaker 1: to leave early this morning. I'm starting to bait bears
Speaker 1: and one of my bear baits is in an unaccessible
Speaker 1: by vehicle location. We can only bait bears on private
Speaker 1: land in Arkansas, and so um, I took Banjo out
Speaker 1: for his maiden backwoods voyage and knock your voyage. He
Speaker 1: did really good. Um. You will see at some point
Speaker 1: on my Instagram feed a fucking fit that I happened
Speaker 1: to capture on video, but we kind of worked through it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just got back from Canada too. I
Speaker 1: was in Canada. Killed a buck in Canada, didn't kill
Speaker 1: a bear. It's a good trip, but unfortunate on the bear.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful buck. Thank you. I'm so too. How
Speaker 1: cold was it up there? It's just like here. What
Speaker 1: do they ride up in Canada? Hierarchy? Good question the moose.
Speaker 1: If you could ride a moose, I had tip that
Speaker 1: put a saddle on it, I can ride it. They
Speaker 1: broke some of these kinds of velvet. Just I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear him say put a saddle on it
Speaker 1: again though, Um Now, Brent you you and images of
Speaker 1: you on a bulldozer this week? Yes, what were you doing?
Speaker 1: I was bulldozing, cool man, I was cleaning out. I
Speaker 1: was over the farm. My budded Jacob, got this dozer
Speaker 1: and we manage a piece of property and we were
Speaker 1: enhancing a place to shoot some ducks. This this winter,
Speaker 1: big old slew that floods. Uh, just a minimal amount
Speaker 1: of rain. So normally we'll get water in there and
Speaker 1: and we'll get we'll get some ducks in there with
Speaker 1: two or three good coal fronts come through. So we're
Speaker 1: cleaning out a spot for the ducks to rest and
Speaker 1: we'll hunt it, you know, two or three, four, five
Speaker 1: or six times a year, depending on the mount of ducks,
Speaker 1: but mainly a place for him to rest and just
Speaker 1: cleaning out some old getting some food plots ready for
Speaker 1: some deer, and we got access to do some bow
Speaker 1: hunting over there taking care of is a case eight fifty?
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that a horse or mule? In terms
Speaker 1: of dosers? What's it's like a goat? Case eight fifty. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the model it was, but the
Speaker 1: it was built probably some time after the first moon landing,
Speaker 1: I think hopefully. So it's well, you look good on.
Speaker 1: I ain't never had any problems with my looks Clay,
Speaker 1: did you did you feel like invigorate? Okay? And invigoration?
Speaker 1: And I said, on that thing for about six and
Speaker 1: a half hours and for the next three days Bailey said, Daddy,
Speaker 1: you walk funny? I was so sore. Oh gosh, yard
Speaker 1: you around? Oh yeah, we did. It's it's pretty rough
Speaker 1: in there, and we did lots of pushing, put some pushing,
Speaker 1: some old snags and stuff down, So it was it
Speaker 1: wasn't the smoothest of of rides. But but yeah, I
Speaker 1: get a lot of enjoying the time in a Honda Accord.
Speaker 1: Do you want to hear my desert song? Now? Yes?
Speaker 1: In the third bird, I gotta be back. We may
Speaker 1: come back to it. So number three, number three, Now,
Speaker 1: I truly am slightly grieved because I'm thinking about the
Speaker 1: next podcast and it's gonna be great, and nobody is
Speaker 1: going to be able to guess what it's about because
Speaker 1: it is off the wall, and so I'm very excited,
Speaker 1: but but I'm slightly grieved about the Boon Boon series
Speaker 1: being over. The thing about somebody like Boone is you know,
Speaker 1: you could have extended this podcast into really as many
Speaker 1: series as you've wanted. I mean, there's there's lots of detail,
Speaker 1: and the things that I guess when you're telling stories,
Speaker 1: what it boils down to is what stories do you
Speaker 1: tell and how do you tell them? And so if
Speaker 1: you were to take all the intel from de Boone's
Speaker 1: life and then you were to go back and make
Speaker 1: a checklist of the stories that that we told and
Speaker 1: the things we touched on, there would be way more
Speaker 1: things that happened to him that we're not touched on.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, for instance, I did not even speak
Speaker 1: of the Battle of the Blue Licks. We I wanted
Speaker 1: to hear more about that. Well, did you about Boonsboro?
Speaker 1: Or is that separate? Okay? The siege of Boonsborough was
Speaker 1: its own thing and had his men surrender negative, Uh,
Speaker 1: he was. He was he was at a salt lick.
Speaker 1: So the siege of Boonsborow and the the surrendering the
Speaker 1: men at the salt lick were connected because the they
Speaker 1: had the settlement. It was the first settlement that they
Speaker 1: had at Boonsboro. They had to go get salt. Salt
Speaker 1: was essential to life on the frontier. They had to
Speaker 1: have all They had to have salt for curing hides.
Speaker 1: They had to have. I mean like it was a commodity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like steak, potato, salt and pepper. So they
Speaker 1: had the thirty men went out and there's calculations on
Speaker 1: how much work has to go into boiling. It's salty
Speaker 1: Water's a salty spring, is what it was. Basically, they
Speaker 1: have these big cauldrons and they keep fires going like
Speaker 1: twenty hours a day and basically evaporate this water and
Speaker 1: then what's left is salt and they can make like
Speaker 1: several hundred pounds of salt a day. But it took
Speaker 1: thirty men. So Boone is out hunting for the men
Speaker 1: kills the buffalo gets captured by Shawnee. The Shawnee say,
Speaker 1: we're going to kill all the guys at the lick.
Speaker 1: And then Boone says, I'll tell you what, don't do that,
Speaker 1: and all I will, I will forfeit the men to you.
Speaker 1: And then they stay in captivity with the Shawnees for
Speaker 1: four months and then that's when they go back into
Speaker 1: the whole siege of boone'sbro which you could have done
Speaker 1: a whole podcast. It was incredible. The Shawnees did a
Speaker 1: whole fake out treaty thing, and Boone did too. Because
Speaker 1: Boone and Blackfish were father and son like they actually
Speaker 1: acted like that. I mean, black Fish really loved Boone
Speaker 1: and when when they there was there was a point
Speaker 1: when they met out in front of the fort. We're
Speaker 1: just black Fish and just Boon, like there's all these
Speaker 1: Indians out here, all the people in the fort, they're
Speaker 1: about to all kill each other. And black Fish walks
Speaker 1: out and says, I want to see Boone, and so
Speaker 1: all the men are covering Boone. Boone walks out, and
Speaker 1: perhaps they had two or three men with them, but
Speaker 1: Boone wouldn't go past sixty yards of the fort because
Speaker 1: he knew that was the accurate range of the guns.
Speaker 1: So he was like, I'll meet you sixty yards and uh,
Speaker 1: he walks out there and Blackfish says, why did you leave?
Speaker 1: And uh, because Boone had escaped. Big deal. They have
Speaker 1: this big treaty and the treaty goes wrong, and they
Speaker 1: actually signed the treaty, and when they were standing up
Speaker 1: to like shake each other's hands, Boon knew the Native
Speaker 1: Americans well enough to tell his men. So there were
Speaker 1: I think they were out numbered two to one and
Speaker 1: they were at a big table and they had just
Speaker 1: signed a treaty and Boone told his men, he said,
Speaker 1: if they shake your hand in this way, know that
Speaker 1: we're being set up and they're about to pummel you.
Speaker 1: And it was the Native American way to shake hands,
Speaker 1: and where they where you grab grab him by the arm,
Speaker 1: basically grab his elbow. And Boone knew that if they
Speaker 1: did that, it was over. And so they all went
Speaker 1: and they did that, and as soon as they did that,
Speaker 1: the Shawnees jerked down the Boon and his men and
Speaker 1: blah blah bah, everybody started firing. Boone and told all
Speaker 1: the people at the fort he said, if it goes
Speaker 1: fist the cuffs out there, just shoot because we're out
Speaker 1: number two to one. Just shot. If you hit somebody,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a better chance you're gonna hit one
Speaker 1: of them than hit us. I didn't like them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if so that there's a whole thing. What I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, though, was that we never even talked about
Speaker 1: the Battle of the Blue Licks, which was a later
Speaker 1: battle that a lot of people say was the most
Speaker 1: one of the most defining moments of Boone's life, and
Speaker 1: we never even got into it. Boone's son Israel, was
Speaker 1: killed at the Blue Licks, and basically they were ambushed
Speaker 1: by Native Americans after Boone told the army and the leaders, hey,
Speaker 1: don't go after we shouldn't. We shouldn't just take after
Speaker 1: these Indians, and one of the guys, one of the leaders,
Speaker 1: challenged Boone and called him a coward and then just
Speaker 1: took off to go after the Indians, and Boone was like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. And they fell in and it was
Speaker 1: like a massive disaster. I mean, like lots of people
Speaker 1: got killed. I said all that to say what we
Speaker 1: talked about in the podcast, there's only so much, Dan,
Speaker 1: What what stood out to you in this third one?
Speaker 1: I think for me personally, I was surprised at how
Speaker 1: emotional I got kind of towards the end of the
Speaker 1: podcast especially. I think what really I really enjoyed was
Speaker 1: when the artist came to paint his portrait and the
Speaker 1: daughter was like, no, no no, no, this is a good thing.
Speaker 1: And you know, here was this this same man who
Speaker 1: says if it goes fisticuff, shoot, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: just fearless in every way. And then a painter comes
Speaker 1: and he's like no, no, no no, I'm not doing that
Speaker 1: and she's like, no, Dad, it's okay, you know, just
Speaker 1: really seeing the human side of him and imagining him
Speaker 1: like getting in that coffin and giving his grandkids a
Speaker 1: hard time. I think seeing the familiar ol my grandfather
Speaker 1: was a huge gooper. I mean just a total goof
Speaker 1: off and that's I could totally imagine him doing something
Speaker 1: like that. And I think that really made Daniel Boone
Speaker 1: for me a person, you know, he and I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: like he was a guy. And the fact that two
Speaker 1: miles down the road somebody don't even know who was
Speaker 1: It was just the whole thing, That old little last chapter.
Speaker 1: I think, like you said, and the you know two
Speaker 1: weeks ago in the render, like it's gonna really it's
Speaker 1: gonna really change the way you look at him, and
Speaker 1: it really did. Man. That was my favorite part probably
Speaker 1: of all the stuff we talked about, and in all
Speaker 1: four hours of documentary on Boon, was that right at
Speaker 1: the end of his life, you see so much like
Speaker 1: he he was living in a little cabin behind Jemima's
Speaker 1: house when and this is what Chester Harding said. So
Speaker 1: if Alex wants to back check, Chester Harding had no, no,
Speaker 1: the uh no, because you wonder where these details come from.
Speaker 1: I mean, the only person there was Chester Harding and Boone.
Speaker 1: Did Boone come out and say, yeah, I was roasting
Speaker 1: a deer leg when Chester got here. He may have,
Speaker 1: but I mean, just these little details show us so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine eighty It's unclear to me how old
Speaker 1: Boone was. I want to say it was in the
Speaker 1: last year of his life. And so you know, presumably
Speaker 1: he was like eighty six years old. Um, and he's
Speaker 1: back there roasting a deer leg by himself on a
Speaker 1: ramrod that you know he probably shot the deer. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got why would you think otherwise? But that was
Speaker 1: the part that I mean, I have to piggyback on
Speaker 1: what he has already been said. That was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: That is the back What resonated with me so much
Speaker 1: is like Steve said, he didn't go do the Wild
Speaker 1: Bill Hiccock Wild Western when he easily could have. He
Speaker 1: could have been a He died a poor man, and
Speaker 1: he could have been a very wealthy man just by
Speaker 1: speaking engagements, going here and telling that, but and and
Speaker 1: telling his story. But he lived in a little cabin
Speaker 1: in the woods, and he took solace by playing with
Speaker 1: his kids and his grandkids. And I have been There's
Speaker 1: no way. I mean, this guy has done so much
Speaker 1: and seen so much and been so many places. But
Speaker 1: I get it. I know why he's like that. Jonathan
Speaker 1: sesmithon while to Go before we started recording, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, You've probably got some pretty good stories being
Speaker 1: undercover officer for all these years. Well, I do. And
Speaker 1: I've been to some very cool places with you, Clay,
Speaker 1: and we've seen some really cool stuff. But the better
Speaker 1: part of my day and the best thing that I
Speaker 1: can imagine is sitting in the backyard playing with my
Speaker 1: kids or my grandkids. And that I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: that's a connection that he and I have. That what
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, the most important thing
Speaker 1: are those the things that are really important? And this guy,
Speaker 1: I mean, he was responsible for westward expansion, and yet
Speaker 1: he would really rather set in the fire and cook
Speaker 1: a deer leg on his ramrod. You know that that
Speaker 1: was that spoke volumes to you know, I think we
Speaker 1: this is part of the mythology of Boone is that
Speaker 1: we can cherry pick from his life these grand moments,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what we want to talk about.
Speaker 1: But man, the Boone went through the meat grinding in life.
Speaker 1: He lost two of his sons. I mean, even think about,
Speaker 1: like we don't know if if the illegitimacy of Jemima
Speaker 1: was true, but think about a husband that would have
Speaker 1: come home and been like, oh, we're doing that well.
Speaker 1: And then maybe he had a Shawnee wife too. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's distress inside of a home. Whatever time period to
Speaker 1: say he had, you know, his first years in Kentucky.
Speaker 1: Imagine being a poor guy today, just scrapping by and
Speaker 1: being able to go somewhere and earn a significant year's wage.
Speaker 1: Let's say that, And it depends on what part of
Speaker 1: the country you're in, but like in Arkansas, let's say
Speaker 1: that would be like eighty grand, like if you could
Speaker 1: go in a couple of months make eighty thou dollars
Speaker 1: and bring it home and like you're used to making
Speaker 1: like thirty five on the way home. Ye, somebody stops
Speaker 1: you and goes, hey, bro, we'll be taking that. The
Speaker 1: number of times that you mentioned him getting robbed or
Speaker 1: losing his stuff was astonishing, Like that's kind of stuff
Speaker 1: that you just feel like would leave a mark on
Speaker 1: you as a person. Now, like I got robbed one
Speaker 1: time and I'll never forget it. And it's like he
Speaker 1: got drugged and robbed and he got his The number
Speaker 1: of times that you mentioned, it's like, man, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't that many people running around. Yeah, he was constantly.
Speaker 1: He had lots and lots of failures. Just think think
Speaker 1: too though, at the end of his life, just kind
Speaker 1: of what you said, Brent, he kind of he wasn't
Speaker 1: interested in fame and glory at that point. He had
Speaker 1: sifted through all that stuff and yet still he was pleasant.
Speaker 1: Many people noted that his presence was quote coveted by
Speaker 1: his family and his older age, so that that speaks
Speaker 1: of a man in good standing. A lot of sacrifice
Speaker 1: that went through for them. But think about all the
Speaker 1: different outcomes. Though, when you're in your eighties and you've
Speaker 1: been through that kind of life, you could be a
Speaker 1: real jay hole. Yeah, or your family he could hate you, yes,
Speaker 1: for leading them in different directions. I mean, think about
Speaker 1: the tragedies that easily his family could have blamed him for. Yeah, yeah, seriously,
Speaker 1: so that it seems like normal. Well, of course, if
Speaker 1: your grandpa's Daniel Boone, you're gonna like him. No. I mean,
Speaker 1: lots of life breaks people down, and at his old age,
Speaker 1: what we saw was an intact man, you know. And
Speaker 1: to me, it goes back to kind of the point
Speaker 1: of Robert Morgan's book is that Boone was not just
Speaker 1: a superhero or mythical American character. He actually had character,
Speaker 1: not without flaws, but he had character. And that that that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Chester Harding thing blows my mind, like that within
Speaker 1: two miles of where Boone lives, they the man didn't
Speaker 1: even know who he was. It was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that white haired guy, yeah, Daniel Boone. Yeah sure, whatever,
Speaker 1: Wild Jonathan, what what stood out to you? I think
Speaker 1: this episode painted more complex picture of him than the
Speaker 1: other episodes, and I was really interested in the paradox
Speaker 1: is that you guys mentioned the number of paradoxes. Like,
Speaker 1: I thought it was very interesting that he would be
Speaker 1: a market hunter in that trip where he killed a
Speaker 1: hundred fifty bears, and yet he's seeing game be reduced
Speaker 1: and seeing that it's unsustainable, and it's like, what makes
Speaker 1: a man do that? I think you've made a comment
Speaker 1: or maybe Robert Morgan made a comment about you know,
Speaker 1: in retrospect, we could probably see that it's a paradox,
Speaker 1: but maybe he didn't see it himself. And I just
Speaker 1: think that that's it. It just paints a very complex picture.
Speaker 1: It makes you want to know what kind of a
Speaker 1: man he was, even though you get this picture of
Speaker 1: him later in life. It's like, how do you not
Speaker 1: see this this paradox? How do you how do you
Speaker 1: reconcile that? Um? I thought it really painted a complex picture.
Speaker 1: And uh I can I would defend Boone on that.
Speaker 1: I mean, and and I'm not saying you're indicting him,
Speaker 1: but like life moves at slow ocean, I mean in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways that the cutting edge of time.
Speaker 1: When you're here, you see things so much different than
Speaker 1: you see once you're past it. And if you if
Speaker 1: I could go somewhere today and and there were no rules,
Speaker 1: no regulations. To kill a hundred and fifty five bears
Speaker 1: in one season would be pretty good. Was this idea
Speaker 1: that like the game was all leaving? Like, I think
Speaker 1: that was like years down the track from that event?
Speaker 1: Was that I thought that that was later in life,
Speaker 1: and I had assumed that was after he was in
Speaker 1: the legislature where he had pen some legislation about protecting
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, well and it it. I don't know
Speaker 1: the details of exactly when that was, but it was
Speaker 1: when he was in his sixties though, So you're right.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. Yeah, I think you're right though
Speaker 1: when you say that life moves in slow motion and
Speaker 1: you don't see these things about yourself sometimes, um man.
Speaker 1: I that story. Like what I liked about the episode
Speaker 1: three was it was kind of like clean up. We
Speaker 1: had covered all this stuff and then I went through
Speaker 1: and like Cherry picked a bunch of stuff that I
Speaker 1: just couldn't talk about Boone without talking about So this
Speaker 1: guy rolling down the Sandy Big Sandy River in Kentucky
Speaker 1: and seeing Daniel Boone and his family, that wasn't a
Speaker 1: life changing moment for Boone's life but it was just
Speaker 1: a picture. This guy's in a river, you know, riding
Speaker 1: down the river, sees the family pulls up on the shore.
Speaker 1: It's Dee Boone and Rebecca and two of his daughters
Speaker 1: and their son in laws there in half faced camps,
Speaker 1: which I assumed that means a three sided log structure.
Speaker 1: They're eating out of a common tray, which would just
Speaker 1: be a big tray. Basically, they chunked the big thing
Speaker 1: of meat down and bread bear camp kind do the
Speaker 1: newcombs from every every now and they had carved for
Speaker 1: because that a cane, And it's just it's just pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Do you think, like when we look back on the
Speaker 1: paradox Jonathan and it's like, how could he how could
Speaker 1: he kill that many bear but also passed that legislation.
Speaker 1: I mean, he passed legislation, obviously recognized there as a problem.
Speaker 1: But I look back on somebody like Daniel Boone and
Speaker 1: I want them to take a stand on the right things.
Speaker 1: But I divorce I usually divorce him in my mind
Speaker 1: from yeah, at sixty, he was still a man with
Speaker 1: the family and bear Greece was how many dollars a gallon?
Speaker 1: And he needed like he had so It's like, yes,
Speaker 1: he recognizes that these things are bad and I and
Speaker 1: we need to do something about that, But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I gotta take care of my family. You know,
Speaker 1: go ahead. I think the economic term for that is
Speaker 1: the tragedy of the commons, right, And I wonder how
Speaker 1: much of that was playing in his mind, which is
Speaker 1: I've got to like if I don't if I don't
Speaker 1: take these bear, then we lose out and it helps
Speaker 1: no one because the West is going to get expanded in.
Speaker 1: There was there was no thought of that, like the
Speaker 1: the the the the conservation ethic of the modern North
Speaker 1: American hunter was not even developed at that point. Those
Speaker 1: were the formative ideas of of people saying like, maybe
Speaker 1: we ought to preserve this game. And it wasn't until
Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds when it truly was a crisis
Speaker 1: and all these animals were getting wiped off the face
Speaker 1: of the earth that they said, hey, we really gotta
Speaker 1: do something. And this, this, this modern North American hunting
Speaker 1: ethic was built, which is where we give value to
Speaker 1: older age males to take stress off the females juveniles.
Speaker 1: And I mean, you hear me talk about it all
Speaker 1: the time. Essentially the Boone and Crockett Boone and Crockett
Speaker 1: Club was the one that introduced this idea Teddy Roosevelt
Speaker 1: and they named the club after Boon. And so I
Speaker 1: mean to look back and I realized you're not saying this,
Speaker 1: but to look back at Boon and say, oh, man,
Speaker 1: you're unethical. You're an unethical hunter. It's really just not realistic,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean for him to be like, you
Speaker 1: know what, we're gonna conserve these bears. I will only
Speaker 1: shoot the oldest bears that I see. Like that just
Speaker 1: wasn't a thought. That would essentially be like someone saying,
Speaker 1: you know what, we ought to use the computer rather
Speaker 1: than send this through the mail, and they're like, well, uh,
Speaker 1: never work there. There are no such thing as computers
Speaker 1: here two years to earlier. Um no, it's probably Malachi.
Speaker 1: What did you think? Man? Man, It was really hard
Speaker 1: to start the podcast because let me in here, let
Speaker 1: me let me explain why. You know, I think that
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone was was somebody I guess that I grew
Speaker 1: up with who you hear a lot about, but you
Speaker 1: don't know much about, right, And this mystical woodsman that
Speaker 1: you know from my perspective just you know, killed animals,
Speaker 1: and as I got that's what Yeah, on my street
Speaker 1: we ride donkeys, um. But I think, as I like,
Speaker 1: as I listened to all three and I think everybody
Speaker 1: has said it, you see the human aspect of him,
Speaker 1: and you you gain a level of respect that where
Speaker 1: you where you feel that the the grandeur or the
Speaker 1: respect or the even the aspect of he's being kind
Speaker 1: of put on a pedal stool. Now it's earned because
Speaker 1: not because of the all that he done, you know,
Speaker 1: he went to the Cumberland Gap and all these things,
Speaker 1: but the aspect of him being a man right, taking
Speaker 1: care of his family, even the aspect of I really
Speaker 1: liked how he he respected Indians right, even though there
Speaker 1: were times of conflict there. There's always like a hat
Speaker 1: tip in my book when anybody where society deems another
Speaker 1: group of people as less than, if a person can
Speaker 1: shows a level of respect that they're equal, And to me,
Speaker 1: that's that's like a hat tip. Back then, literally they
Speaker 1: were considered savages. I omitted that word from some of
Speaker 1: the readings that I did on this podcast. I hadn't
Speaker 1: told anybody that, yeah, and I mean just to say that,
Speaker 1: like he was progressive. Yeah, yeah, And I to me
Speaker 1: that that gives, that gives, Okay, this guy was the
Speaker 1: real deal. It's like, man that was, that's a good guy.
Speaker 1: That's a guy that that gets gets a head nod
Speaker 1: and a hat tip um, not just because of the
Speaker 1: conservation things, but because of who the guy was. So
Speaker 1: my perspective, I think that like what you're saying, Alakai
Speaker 1: reminds me. Another thing that stuck out to me was
Speaker 1: when his time in in the legislature was discussed and
Speaker 1: he would frequently wear the Shawnee. Yeah, and I think today,
Speaker 1: you know, of course, like we would rightfully somebody, you know,
Speaker 1: a white man does that, we're gonna level cultural appropriation
Speaker 1: on him, Like you don't just put on indigenous garb
Speaker 1: as a white man and go into Congress. And and
Speaker 1: maybe that term didn't even exist back then, and maybe
Speaker 1: there were Native Americans did not have a voice to
Speaker 1: kind of levy that critique against him. Uh or maybe
Speaker 1: he had lived in such a way with them and
Speaker 1: loved them in such a way where in putting that on,
Speaker 1: like you said in the podcast, he was acknowledging his
Speaker 1: roots and they were a part of him and who
Speaker 1: he was in his roots, and I think that that
Speaker 1: definitely hit me. It was like, here here's a man
Speaker 1: who I mean, he obviously had conflict with Native Americans,
Speaker 1: but there was a deep love and a deep respect
Speaker 1: and he allowed it to shape who he was. And
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stand up here in the legislature and
Speaker 1: do my job unless I represent the people who made
Speaker 1: me Like it wasn't that a wild imagery. I mean,
Speaker 1: he wasn't. It wasn't a costume party. Like you you
Speaker 1: almost you could feel like it was a stunt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Boone wearing his buckskins into the legislature. I don't
Speaker 1: think it was. I mean, he was making a statement,
Speaker 1: like he could have gone to town and did what
Speaker 1: they did, but he was, Like I just think he
Speaker 1: had no choice but to be true to who he was.
Speaker 1: He showed, I mean, not to make a joke about.
Speaker 1: I mean, he chose the mule. Everybody else was wearing
Speaker 1: those silk shirts really nice. I mean, these are the
Speaker 1: leading intellectual thinkers of Western development in their time and
Speaker 1: he shows up in buckskin and that's my president. Man.
Speaker 1: That that image is just to me, it's just so
Speaker 1: And the fact that it wasn't a stunt, because today
Speaker 1: you could not do that without it being highly inappropriate
Speaker 1: and offensive and a stunt which could entirely inappropriate, of course,
Speaker 1: But but the fact that he did it and it
Speaker 1: wasn't and it was true to who he was. Um,
Speaker 1: And maybe I have a totally naive view of it,
Speaker 1: and it was totally a stunt back down, but it
Speaker 1: seems like it was. I mean, I think he was
Speaker 1: aware of the statement that he was making. It would
Speaker 1: essentially be like, Um, I mean, there's people that have
Speaker 1: done stuff like that. You know, you see the odd
Speaker 1: politician from out west walking in whereing his cowboy hat.
Speaker 1: Didn't one of the guys rode a horse into the
Speaker 1: White House a few years ago. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: When you're adopted, shawnny dad choose the sugarcane and gets
Speaker 1: it moist in his mouth for you and then hands
Speaker 1: it to you. And you've lived with him and speak
Speaker 1: his language, and you've been in his family. You're not
Speaker 1: putting on a cowboy hat and riding a horse into
Speaker 1: the White House. Yeah, you you have become part of
Speaker 1: their family. And when he comes out before the fort
Speaker 1: and says, why do you leave? Yeah, I mean, this
Speaker 1: man lived a totally different way of life, um, and
Speaker 1: that's why he could do that. And you say that's
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the hat tip, you know. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: he hands you that that already cheered on a piece
Speaker 1: of cane, that's when you say in Shawnee hard pass
Speaker 1: whatever that is, I'm like, no thanks, like dad, come
Speaker 1: no hey. When I again, everything that was in this
Speaker 1: podcast was things that I hand picked. I mean it
Speaker 1: really was. And I would tell that story over and
Speaker 1: over to black my kids. I mean that stood out
Speaker 1: to me, and it stood out to Nathan Boone because
Speaker 1: when Nathan Boone was seventy four years old and his
Speaker 1: dad had been dead for thirty years, he remembered that
Speaker 1: Blackfish chewed the lump of sugar and gave it. I
Speaker 1: mean you can almost just see like the glow and
Speaker 1: black Fish's eyes to see what he would do, see
Speaker 1: if he would take it. And what did the bood do?
Speaker 1: He took it, he ate it. There are only two
Speaker 1: people standing there. How do we know that information? Because
Speaker 1: Dan Boone went home and he told his whole family.
Speaker 1: He said, Rebecca, don't give me no sugar. I just
Speaker 1: had some from the chief. No I mean, you try
Speaker 1: to describe like Boone's relationship with black Fish and the
Speaker 1: Shawnees in a thousand word article, or you could tell
Speaker 1: that one story. It's kind of like a picture tells
Speaker 1: a thousand words. What is it about? Like I think
Speaker 1: in our day and so many I mean these books.
Speaker 1: You have all these books on biographies on Daniel Boone,
Speaker 1: and it's these stories that I mean, you could just
Speaker 1: hear you talk about a good storyteller. And I remember
Speaker 1: like asking you to just tell me a story one
Speaker 1: more time, Like I just somebody tells a really good story,
Speaker 1: you want to hear it again. But our culture, we're
Speaker 1: constantly trying to invent new TV shows and new narratives
Speaker 1: and new and it's got to be novel. But yet
Speaker 1: deep down inside it's like we want that. We want
Speaker 1: that good old story, Like tell me that story that
Speaker 1: has meaning and value and and actually, if if it
Speaker 1: really does, I want to hear it again. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what's something that I kind of saw in
Speaker 1: Boone's life over the course of the three that's different
Speaker 1: from now. It's it's authentic, right. I think what you
Speaker 1: see now is people telling stories for views, people's telling
Speaker 1: stories to be validated by somebody else versus just this
Speaker 1: is who I am. He didn't, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think Daniel Boone would have if he was
Speaker 1: in today's age, would have said, they put that on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Will I take he could have done it, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think they could have toured and did that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's something that's powerful when somebody
Speaker 1: builds their life for the sake of building their lives,
Speaker 1: versus somebody who tries to reach a point inside their
Speaker 1: lives so people can validate them, or so people can
Speaker 1: say what they're building is cool, or what they're building
Speaker 1: is something that I want to build. And I think
Speaker 1: that's a that's a fascinating aspect about about him. I
Speaker 1: think even in today's culture, you know, media and culture
Speaker 1: at large finds people who have that aspect of just
Speaker 1: genuine desire and their own value and tries to make
Speaker 1: it a product, and unfortunately a lot of people fall
Speaker 1: for that. And then you see like people who you
Speaker 1: discovered quote unquote like early in their career, early in
Speaker 1: their development, and you really like what they're doing, but
Speaker 1: then over time they become kind of commercialized and so Daniel.
Speaker 1: Boone's version of that was the legislature and what did
Speaker 1: he do? He wore buckskin and he didn't give into
Speaker 1: that product. Uh yeah, I appreciated that too. At the end,
Speaker 1: we talked about how Boon didn't buy into the myth
Speaker 1: of himself. You know, he there was there was a
Speaker 1: story and it was it was said that someone told
Speaker 1: read something to him about him, and he said stuff
Speaker 1: like that that shouldn't read to a guy until he's dead.
Speaker 1: I think Boone, in a lot of ways, we probably
Speaker 1: got Boon wrong in some ways. From a at a
Speaker 1: personal level, I do not think Boone if he were
Speaker 1: here today, I think he would shock him that we're
Speaker 1: talking about him like we are. I mean, I can't
Speaker 1: argue with that because I always go back to that
Speaker 1: thing that there there was a lot of those guys
Speaker 1: because him surviving every day. I mean, he didn't call
Speaker 1: that an intervention. That was Tuesday. That's what all those
Speaker 1: folks were doing. And the good ones got to retire
Speaker 1: and be a lived to be eighty two or eighty six,
Speaker 1: however old he was, and the other folks didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like you remember Bob and I dude could
Speaker 1: not be able to fire for nothing. No, I don't
Speaker 1: remember him. Oh, that's right, he's been dead fifty years.
Speaker 1: He froze to death. I think I think part of
Speaker 1: Boone's what we see and what I view as humility
Speaker 1: hard one humility at the end of his life was
Speaker 1: not him knowing that he was some kind of national
Speaker 1: hero stud and like choosing to be humble man. The
Speaker 1: guy was beat down by life, Like I think he
Speaker 1: would just be like, yeah, I was just kind of
Speaker 1: a normal dude. We did some stuff, even say lost. Oh.
Speaker 1: I think I think he probably had a pretty big
Speaker 1: sense of some personal failure in his life for sure.
Speaker 1: That probably instructed him. So this Elizabeth Corvin quote I
Speaker 1: think at the end that I put in there and
Speaker 1: talked about how mild he said. She said, the man
Speaker 1: spoke in effeminine, soft tones, and she said, all the
Speaker 1: old woodsman that I know, I can't think of one
Speaker 1: that did not act that way. That really stood out
Speaker 1: to me big time. And I'll tell you, I'll walk
Speaker 1: you through my thought process on it. Boon did all
Speaker 1: this stuff. Yeah, having that damn you do not use
Speaker 1: the word if feminine with Dbeth. No, that's why I
Speaker 1: put it in there because this it makes me think
Speaker 1: about well, as a hunter, It's like, what am I
Speaker 1: doing that cause inside of hunting that causes me to
Speaker 1: not be humble Like he spent his lifetime in the wilderness,
Speaker 1: and he came out humble like. He came out soft spoken,
Speaker 1: he came out like not he was not the one
Speaker 1: wanting to tell all his stories. He was the one
Speaker 1: that was quiet. I think sometimes you see the opposite
Speaker 1: of that, not just in hunting, but in life in
Speaker 1: other ways, is that people have grand experiences in it
Speaker 1: it causes them to become more loud, more more, not
Speaker 1: humble more. They dominate. Well, it just it's just like
Speaker 1: they believed the myth about themselves and also people's perception
Speaker 1: of them too. Maybe that didn't know it. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: think Daniel Boone would have effeminate voice. And I think
Speaker 1: about it. Reminded when I listened to that, I listened
Speaker 1: to I was reminded of a documentary about General Patton,
Speaker 1: and only reference before that was the old movie George C.
Speaker 1: Scott played and he had a big voice. He talked
Speaker 1: like this, and in the in the documentary they talked
Speaker 1: about that General Patton was not as tall as George C. Scott.
Speaker 1: And when he answered the phone, he sounded like somebody's grandmother,
Speaker 1: like General Patton, you know, was what he sounded like.
Speaker 1: And I thought, that's not what he sounds like. He
Speaker 1: sounds just like George C. Scott, General Man. So it's
Speaker 1: everybody's perception of him, you know that you wouldn't you
Speaker 1: wouldn't think it would be that way, and that it
Speaker 1: was another thing that humanized him to me. Well, what
Speaker 1: it made me think about on a personal level is that,
Speaker 1: like our exploits, what we do should make us humble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it shouldn't puff us up. You want the guy at
Speaker 1: the end to be the same as the guy at
Speaker 1: the beginning. You don't want And I think that's kind
Speaker 1: of what Jonathan was talking about. Like you hear these
Speaker 1: early stories of him, and then you hear these stories
Speaker 1: of conquests and things like that, But at the end
Speaker 1: he's cooking a deer over a fire with his kids
Speaker 1: and his grandkids, and it's there's something real noble about that, right,
Speaker 1: There's There were many stories of his old age that
Speaker 1: I couldn't include. One person noted that when he heard
Speaker 1: people come to the house, he would drift off away
Speaker 1: into the woods and into his cabin. Like in his
Speaker 1: old age, he was kind of done with like because
Speaker 1: people it was insinuated that people would come by to
Speaker 1: want to just talk to him, want to hear the stories,
Speaker 1: and he just was kind of like, ah, forget the story.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, he could be a he could
Speaker 1: be a big talker. He could talk like a chief.
Speaker 1: You know. I think that's that. There was the court
Speaker 1: martial where he defended himself and won over the judges
Speaker 1: and actually got a promotion. I mean, clearly, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like another paradox inside the man. I mean, he
Speaker 1: could be this larger than life talker, but at the
Speaker 1: end of his life that wasn't who who he was.
Speaker 1: Well he was, yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up,
Speaker 1: because you know, he he was a good storyteller, he
Speaker 1: was a leader. There was a magnetism to him. So
Speaker 1: he was charismatic, but it was an authentic kind of charismatic.
Speaker 1: Um it had to have been, you know, he could
Speaker 1: he he had a wide range of functionality as a
Speaker 1: human and he wouldn't be quiet, but he also knew
Speaker 1: when to speak. That's what it seems like I think
Speaker 1: he referenced that in the first episode about him when
Speaker 1: he was young and had that charisma about him just
Speaker 1: drew people that magnetism. So having it then when he's young,
Speaker 1: and then a life full of experiences, Yeah, let's see that. MSTI,
Speaker 1: what was your favorite part? We haven't asked you that. Well.
Speaker 1: I think I feel like to describe to explain my
Speaker 1: my favorite part of the part that stood out just
Speaker 1: of this whole series. I think that as and we've
Speaker 1: talked about this as a family and as a person,
Speaker 1: what we've really sought to do is to build a
Speaker 1: culture in our home and in our hearts that transcends
Speaker 1: any regional or national, any type of other identity. What
Speaker 1: I mean by that is we want, you know, like
Speaker 1: our our spiritual existence and our spiritual values are the
Speaker 1: things that got our home, and so that's what we
Speaker 1: we tell. We say that to our kids, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we like being Hillbillies. We were real comfortable with where
Speaker 1: we come from and and who we are. But we
Speaker 1: don't want that to limit us. We don't want our
Speaker 1: are those things. So I'm real conscious of that. I'm
Speaker 1: real conscious of when I hear things I think, do
Speaker 1: I think that way because I'm from Arkansas. Do I
Speaker 1: think that way because I'm an American? Because I don't
Speaker 1: want to just think that way. I want I want
Speaker 1: this higher set of values to guide how I think.
Speaker 1: Listen to the Daniel Boone podcast and hearing him talk
Speaker 1: about hearing like he is as an archetype of American identity,
Speaker 1: I was kind of struck by there's things in me
Speaker 1: that are in me because of those stories and I
Speaker 1: don't even know it. I didn't even recognize it. They're
Speaker 1: so default. I mean, there's an aspect of, even with
Speaker 1: intentional building, to know the things that you're you're that
Speaker 1: define you and to know how your national heritage defines
Speaker 1: you and how and an intentional effort to not just
Speaker 1: build your life that way. I wouldn't have said I
Speaker 1: would have never told you. Yeah, I would have never
Speaker 1: said Daniel Boone had a major impact on my life.
Speaker 1: And yet I love adventure. That is what we set
Speaker 1: out to do from the very beginning, and I did
Speaker 1: not have the answers to it. Man. That's the one
Speaker 1: thing that is true to this podcast is I genuinely
Speaker 1: had a question. I think I want to answers right
Speaker 1: on your hands that the question was, I wonder how
Speaker 1: I've been impacted by Dan Boone and don't even know it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I suspected that we were, and I would
Speaker 1: I would think it's not hard to think that you
Speaker 1: were right, I mean, but when what was interesting to
Speaker 1: me was because like I love I enjoy going camping,
Speaker 1: I enjoy adventure, I enjoy taking the kids out hiking,
Speaker 1: I like doing I like uh, kind of intensely pursuing things.
Speaker 1: And as you were describing Daniel Boone as an American
Speaker 1: archetype and someone who this is like part of the
Speaker 1: American identity, I would not have thought that that is
Speaker 1: something that shaped me just as a as a woman,
Speaker 1: as a not I mean someone who are pre shapes
Speaker 1: the outdoors but does not would not have described herself
Speaker 1: as a woodsman. You know, those are those are not descriptors.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I see how you could have found that,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't expecting for me to find that, And
Speaker 1: and that's what I found in it. And the this
Speaker 1: last one, as I was I was driving to the
Speaker 1: kids to school and listening to and I just thought, man,
Speaker 1: that is that's kind of crazy, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: interesting to me how we have those things that shape us,
Speaker 1: and that shape are that that we don't even realize
Speaker 1: like a default person is going to have that. And
Speaker 1: one of the I you know, we have friends who
Speaker 1: are from other countries, and they always kind of laugh
Speaker 1: at us when we talk about for vacation, for relaxation,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our kids out in the woods, and
Speaker 1: you know, they think that's kind of crazy. And I've
Speaker 1: always thought that's funny that they think that. But I
Speaker 1: realized it's Daniel Boone's fingerprints on our lives and and
Speaker 1: all those guys, you know, those that we think that
Speaker 1: that's fun, that we think that extra effort is fun,
Speaker 1: and and it's I just would not have that. And
Speaker 1: I thought your section Dan was so good because it
Speaker 1: it's I mean, you had such firsthand experience with that
Speaker 1: over China, just seeing that, you know, so in in
Speaker 1: I've got the book my father Daniel Boone in my
Speaker 1: hand here, I had some people asked me they wanted
Speaker 1: more information on the latter part of Dan's life, how
Speaker 1: active he was, because and and this is this was
Speaker 1: a story that Nathan told Lyman Drake hashtag lionel Rich
Speaker 1: Nate Nate Draper in the fall of eighteen seventeen, late November,
Speaker 1: my father Daniel Boone. I like how Nathan always says
Speaker 1: that my father, I know, there's something so appealing to me.
Speaker 1: They were so regal in the way they spoke. My father,
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone entered then entering upon his eighty fourth year,
Speaker 1: started it on a hunting trip with his grandson James Boone,
Speaker 1: my oldest son. This was before Jesse Boone moved to
Speaker 1: the country. They started each with mounted on horseback. Upon
Speaker 1: leaving Flanders Callaway, they proceeded on and camped the first
Speaker 1: night on the headwaters of the Share at about thirteen
Speaker 1: miles from the Callaway house. Okay, let's just stop right there.
Speaker 1: Dan's eighty four. He just rode a horse thirteen miles. Okay,
Speaker 1: can barely spend half an hour an old dozer. Hey.
Speaker 1: When I first got into mules, part of what I
Speaker 1: was thinking, long term thinking, was when I'm an old man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a craft and I'm gonna be able
Speaker 1: to stay out there longer. When really it was a
Speaker 1: thought it was like losers can't right, that's right. And
Speaker 1: then I realized that you gotta be more athletic and
Speaker 1: strong to ride a stinking mule or horse than it
Speaker 1: is to walk. I mean, so generally people don't have
Speaker 1: the flexibility and strength. And somebody can tell me, you know,
Speaker 1: about the guy that's ninety and still rides, and there
Speaker 1: are those people. But generally to mount a horse or
Speaker 1: an equine animal, it takes a lot of flexibility, a
Speaker 1: lot of core strengths. So anyway, it's notable that he's
Speaker 1: eighty four and they've ridden not thirteen miles. Hold on,
Speaker 1: they rode thirteen miles from the Calais house. Night overtook
Speaker 1: them sooner than they expected, and they camped rather late
Speaker 1: and had not had time to prepare shelter. That night,
Speaker 1: two inches of snow fell. The snow glare of the
Speaker 1: fire caused a wild duck to land inside beside the fire.
Speaker 1: James Boone caught it easily. To his bewilderment, father was
Speaker 1: exhilarated to be out camping again. He had brought his gun,
Speaker 1: his kettle, a light axe, provision, and two or three traps.
Speaker 1: He seemed to feel himself in his ancient element. After
Speaker 1: the evening meal, he told stories of the olden time
Speaker 1: adventures the pair had The duck for breakfast the next
Speaker 1: morning and continued on their way. The weather had become okay.
Speaker 1: Eight four year old man just camped on the ground
Speaker 1: to his snow, just like whatever, and it made him
Speaker 1: come alive. The pair had the duck for breakfast the
Speaker 1: next morning continued on the way. The weather had become
Speaker 1: cold and blustery, so they had to stop to make
Speaker 1: a fire for father to warm himself. They went only
Speaker 1: eight miles that day and stopped the House of Entertainment,
Speaker 1: a house of entertainment at Camp Branch, a noted camping
Speaker 1: place for travelers. The next day they went twenty two
Speaker 1: miles to Lutra Lick. The weather had moderated a little
Speaker 1: but was still cold, and all but two miles of
Speaker 1: that day's travel was on exposed prairie. The cold had
Speaker 1: affected my father's age frame, and he found he could
Speaker 1: proceed no further since he could not bear the exposure.
Speaker 1: He then decided to remain at his granddaughter's Miss Major
Speaker 1: van Bibbers at Lutra Lick and abandoned the intended hunt.
Speaker 1: He abandoned the hunt after two plus fourteen plus. Malachi
Speaker 1: is the only one I trust. Thirty six mile horse
Speaker 1: ride camping in two inches of snow, and he was like, man, James, sorry, bro,
Speaker 1: I don't think this is gonna work out. Um No,
Speaker 1: but incredible. And then I'm gonna read a statement that
Speaker 1: we have all probably as hunters, made some version of it.
Speaker 1: So this is gonna sound really familiar. But this is
Speaker 1: the author of that familiarity. Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Nathan Boone said this. My father said he was as
Speaker 1: naturally inclined each fall to go hunting and trapping as
Speaker 1: the farmer is in spring to set about putting in
Speaker 1: his cross. That's good. I mean, he was just like
Speaker 1: even at an old age, Dan was like, let's go,
Speaker 1: let's go. He never he never lost that fire, and
Speaker 1: I thought that was notable. And then the day he
Speaker 1: had the day before he died. If you remember Nathan
Speaker 1: described as death. He said, he stood on the porch
Speaker 1: and he said, man, if I feel good this good, tomorrow,
Speaker 1: I think I'll ride the horse around the farm. And
Speaker 1: then he went inside, took a nap, and a fever
Speaker 1: came on him and he knew that it was his
Speaker 1: last sickness. He told them that, I mean, it's so
Speaker 1: wild that we know so much about this guy, I
Speaker 1: mean down to his very thoughts, right up to his
Speaker 1: last breath on the earth. Bizarre that we know so
Speaker 1: much about this guy. You know, he he felt a
Speaker 1: pain that he had never felt before. I mean, all
Speaker 1: of us are pretty young. We hadn't died yet. Immediate
Speaker 1: take note that if you feel a very strange I
Speaker 1: mean like he knew he was like this is this
Speaker 1: is the one when he felt that burning sensation. They
Speaker 1: refused the medication and he had his family all come around.
Speaker 1: Man talking to Robert Morgan about death and the nineteen
Speaker 1: was really moving. Um. I mean he he's an old
Speaker 1: man himself and he uh, it's just the way that
Speaker 1: we deal with death today. It's so bizarre compared to
Speaker 1: the experiences of most humans that have lived on planet Earth. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, wild old d Boone man the dog, the dog. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a good thing. This is a really good
Speaker 1: not too bad. Good job. Nuke the next one you
Speaker 1: talk about that's still under reps. It better be good,
Speaker 1: pal for this to kind of how long can we
Speaker 1: keep this up? Oh? Man? No? What has been cool
Speaker 1: about this podcast? And and that's this is what we
Speaker 1: do at the renders behind the scenes. This thing's kind
Speaker 1: of taking a life of its own a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: You know, like this is not really what we totally
Speaker 1: planned to do. Did we have a plan. But I
Speaker 1: think there's significance in looking back at these guys, and
Speaker 1: you know my closing commentary at the end about American identity,
Speaker 1: that is something that I am very passionate about, very
Speaker 1: passionate about. They're bigger fish to fry on planet Earth
Speaker 1: than than us maintaining our hunting privileges in this country, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's kind of what a lot of
Speaker 1: people that listen to this podcast and me are interested in,
Speaker 1: is like the preservation of our way of life. But
Speaker 1: it's it's so much bigger than that though. It's not
Speaker 1: just I want my sons to be able to go
Speaker 1: and hunt a deer so that their heart will beat fast,
Speaker 1: and so that they can experience what it means to
Speaker 1: be a woodsman and and and and engage with nature
Speaker 1: in that way. What I'm really saying is I want
Speaker 1: what I want them to have the opportunity to be
Speaker 1: who I have been and what I have, what I
Speaker 1: am is deeply connected to this thing, this way of life,
Speaker 1: and what's happening inside of in our country maybe other
Speaker 1: places too, is that it's like it's like we're trying
Speaker 1: they're trying to snuff out this, They're trying to snuff
Speaker 1: out the woodsman. They're trying to snuff like they're like,
Speaker 1: this is not a relevant part of our society anymore.
Speaker 1: We don't need hunters. And that's happened in lots of
Speaker 1: different ways, and that's not what this is about. But
Speaker 1: I mean, essentially, what my appeal was, make a place,
Speaker 1: a perpetual place at the table of the people who
Speaker 1: get to decide what American identity is. Leave a chair
Speaker 1: for us, Leave a chair for us. That's all we ask. Man.
Speaker 1: There are people in this country that don't care a
Speaker 1: thing about wild places. That is fine. Their world revolves
Speaker 1: around urban life. And I mean the vast majority of
Speaker 1: this country, I mean lives in very urban places, and
Speaker 1: they have heroes and they have things that they pound
Speaker 1: the table for about their way of life, which absolutely
Speaker 1: has a right. They have a right to put their
Speaker 1: fingerprint on the American identity. America developed as a melting
Speaker 1: pot of all these different cultures. We see it. Well,
Speaker 1: what we're saying is that the woodsman is a legitimate
Speaker 1: voice inside today. And my only appeal was, let the
Speaker 1: woodsman manage the wild places in the wildlife of this country.
Speaker 1: It's really that simple, because that's the way it works now,
Speaker 1: that's the way it has worked for the last two
Speaker 1: hundred years. And to cut to it, just a talking
Speaker 1: point that is true is there are more big game
Speaker 1: and thriving big game in North America than any place
Speaker 1: on the planet. And it's because of the woodsman valued
Speaker 1: wild places. They've value the wilderness, they valued that majestic buck,
Speaker 1: they valued Deeboon, devalued those bears such that he made
Speaker 1: a cultural imprint on us. And that value today in
Speaker 1: a highly urbanized world translates into that we have said, hey,
Speaker 1: there's some places where civilization is not coming, and we're
Speaker 1: marking these places off, and we're gonna manage the game.
Speaker 1: If you have a confined area, natural game populations are
Speaker 1: designed to expand, and they can't expand, so we need
Speaker 1: to hunt them a little bit. We're gonna take out
Speaker 1: ten percent of the population every year through sport hunting.
Speaker 1: We're gonna train our kids to be woodsman. We're gonna
Speaker 1: train them to to harvest and process wild game and
Speaker 1: bring it home and have the most ethically harvested, sustainable,
Speaker 1: healthy meat rocket fuel on the planet. This is a
Speaker 1: very valuable thing to society. We're saying, let us keep
Speaker 1: doing that, and we'll let you keep doing the things
Speaker 1: that you're interested in. Skateboards, keep keep riding your horses,
Speaker 1: will ride our mules, you know. And the thing is,
Speaker 1: you're not only it's not it's it's that. Plus you're
Speaker 1: turning out young men and women with integrity and humility
Speaker 1: and values that are higher than we like to hunt,
Speaker 1: you know. Or it makes my heart race. It's just
Speaker 1: like Daniel Boone, through a hard life of risk and
Speaker 1: adventure and and real challenges in nature, learned character and
Speaker 1: in the end he might ironically, even though he kind
Speaker 1: of embodied the American narrative, I go out and I
Speaker 1: dominate the wild. Ironically, according to the World standards, he
Speaker 1: ended the life of poor man little known, but really
Speaker 1: in terms of character and integrity and love for his family,
Speaker 1: he won. Uh. He won big. And that's what And
Speaker 1: and we want that for our kids, and we want
Speaker 1: that for a emilies. And you know, I believe that
Speaker 1: dedication to craft does it's not the only thing that
Speaker 1: makes you a good human. It's not at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: like you could be a hunter and be a dirt
Speaker 1: ball and love to hunt. That is entirely possible. But
Speaker 1: when things that take the dedication of a lifetime to
Speaker 1: master become something that you focus on, you have to
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of other stuff in your life built, right,
Speaker 1: So there's correlations, there's connections. Look, I glanced at Malachi
Speaker 1: when I said that word, he's our correlation, you know.
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point that I kind
Speaker 1: of was raised with the mindset that if you like,
Speaker 1: cobbies were not great, they weren't very productive. They were
Speaker 1: almost like they're kind of inferior people with hobbies that
Speaker 1: sort of first of all, we wouldn't call him craft.
Speaker 1: We call it what you're doing. What you're describing a
Speaker 1: craft as a craft, we would describe it as you know. Um,
Speaker 1: So there was almost it was kind of an imbalanced
Speaker 1: because work and productivity was such a highly valuable thing
Speaker 1: that that would be the thing. But that's that's really
Speaker 1: wrong and imbalanced. And I think that when you want
Speaker 1: of the real values that we've wanted in part to
Speaker 1: our kids is not that you're, you know, just always
Speaker 1: doing stuff for no purpose than than just to have hobbies,
Speaker 1: but that you build a craft because the craft builds you,
Speaker 1: and the craft as a tool to actually construct a
Speaker 1: whole lot of other things. So we've been real comfortable
Speaker 1: with our kids really getting into whether it be hunting
Speaker 1: or our sports or things like that, because we realize
Speaker 1: that it's in life, it's in the doing, it's in
Speaker 1: the living where all these other things can be shaped,
Speaker 1: and we can't compartmentalize and say, well, these things get
Speaker 1: shaped over here, but not over here. And so I
Speaker 1: think that's that's a really good point to that you
Speaker 1: just made their nuke. I think I think I've heard
Speaker 1: you talk about that, misty in terms of like I
Speaker 1: came from more of a background and a childhood of
Speaker 1: like video games, television and riding my bicycle to work.
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about just the nature of young
Speaker 1: men specifically, but I'm sure in humanity not limited to
Speaker 1: young men learning to overcome something versus the current culture
Speaker 1: which video games is an easy way provides an opportunity
Speaker 1: for you to feel like you have master to craft
Speaker 1: or overcome an obstacle, but in reality, you have not.
Speaker 1: It is a simulated experience and seeing the correlation more
Speaker 1: deeply of what it takes to build a lifestyle of
Speaker 1: mastering and craft or overcoming an obstacle. That's been a
Speaker 1: transition of my life as well. And I appreciate the
Speaker 1: things that you guys are saying about. It makes a
Speaker 1: lot more senses. Yeah. Closing thoughts throw Um David throw
Speaker 1: was influenced by Daniel Bone and one of my favorite
Speaker 1: quotes of his was all good things are wild and free.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's says of love to me velvet pipes
Speaker 1: with a microp. I love that section so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very good, very good. Yeah. Dan, that guys like Thorow
Speaker 1: would look to somebody like Daniel Boone and not Thomas Jefferson,
Speaker 1: I think, says a Toime. I'm certainly. I'm sure Thomas
Speaker 1: Jefferson had an impact on j But you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's great influence, you know, Jonathan. Closing thoughts.
Speaker 1: A question is my closing thought? What is the gauntlet?
Speaker 1: When Daniel Boone was taken captive and he said, listen,
Speaker 1: I'll turn over my men. I haven't surrender as long
Speaker 1: as you promised not to kill us or make us
Speaker 1: run the gauntlet? What's I don't let me speak for
Speaker 1: those people on this podcast. No, because you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to run. I wrote a paper in college
Speaker 1: called the Education Gauntlet. I wish I would find it.
Speaker 1: They'd probably put it in like New York Times, And
Speaker 1: basically it was my assessment of my college education. When
Speaker 1: I get to the end, there's not a ton of value,
Speaker 1: but I have just proved that I can take it
Speaker 1: in the face. For like five years. That was my
Speaker 1: initial thought of I haven't told you what the gauntlet
Speaker 1: is yet. There's a build up. Now that I'm older,
Speaker 1: I realized that that was really formative in my development
Speaker 1: was going through college. The gauntlet is when they would
Speaker 1: line up on they would like have like twenty people
Speaker 1: facing twenty people and leave like a five foot span
Speaker 1: and everybody would have clubs and rocks and sticks and dirt,
Speaker 1: and a guy would have to run through the center,
Speaker 1: like you know, and they would just pummel him. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know it from a football context, but I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that that was a that was an ancient common
Speaker 1: I mean, Boon knew it enough that he was like
Speaker 1: all surrender all these guys as long as you promised
Speaker 1: not to make them run the Gauntlet. And do you
Speaker 1: know what old Blackfish did is Blackfish took all the
Speaker 1: guys and then when they got them back to camp,
Speaker 1: they started forming a gauntlet line. And Boone said, you
Speaker 1: said we weren't gonna have to run the Gauntlet, and
Speaker 1: he said, Blackfish said, I said they wouldn't have to
Speaker 1: run the Gauntlet. He said, I never said you wouldn't
Speaker 1: for real here, I mean really like there there was
Speaker 1: something cultural but running the Gauntlet that I mean Blackfish like,
Speaker 1: I think you really loved Boone and but he was
Speaker 1: just like, bro, I'm sorry, there's no way out. And
Speaker 1: and Boone made uh a spectacle of them. He ran in.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the details. He ran the Gauntlet multiple
Speaker 1: times in his life. I mean, this is not a movie.
Speaker 1: This is a man. This would be like me or
Speaker 1: you sitting here going yeah, man, when when I was
Speaker 1: down there, they kidnapped me and for four months and
Speaker 1: ran the Gauntlet and some of the most fierce people
Speaker 1: in the Gauntlet where the women, they were just like hostile.
Speaker 1: And what he did is he he faked one way
Speaker 1: like he ran and this is why. I remember he
Speaker 1: faked one way and then turned and smacked over a
Speaker 1: bunch of women and and it through the whole thing
Speaker 1: umble and he made it through like with minimal whooping.
Speaker 1: What's the what was the value? Like if you could
Speaker 1: get through and not be knocked out somehow? It was?
Speaker 1: It was it was just what they did to their
Speaker 1: their captors. So you've done wrong and this is the
Speaker 1: part of the price you But after he ran it,
Speaker 1: he was respected. They were like a good job. That
Speaker 1: was pretty good man. Closing thoughts, Malachi, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: as you were talking about like having to see at
Speaker 1: the table, I think and listening to the three podcasts,
Speaker 1: I think what what comes to mind is the power
Speaker 1: of articulation and also the power of invitation, of articulating
Speaker 1: your stories and inviting non quote unquote non woodsman to
Speaker 1: partake of that, how powerful that is. And as a
Speaker 1: non woodsman, I think our response is the power of
Speaker 1: not assuming and the power of trying trying it because
Speaker 1: recognizing how much you learn just from not assuming and
Speaker 1: trying something different, um, how much how much life that
Speaker 1: brings to you. And I think that's how you can
Speaker 1: get to see at the table and that's how you
Speaker 1: open up a seat at the table. So I think
Speaker 1: those we consider you a pre woodsman. You're not a
Speaker 1: non woodsman. You just don't know what you guys Hunter's
Speaker 1: license two years in a row. Respect all right, Well, hey,
Speaker 1: no more, no more Boon podcast unless we come back
Speaker 1: for part two. Dang, and we could always die back in.
Speaker 1: I'm already researching another character that I'm probably gonna do
Speaker 1: at some point, Dolly Parton. I would like Dolly Parton
Speaker 1: on this Burger's podcast. Anybody knows or let her know,
Speaker 1: bring her to the Render. Yep, she could definitely do
Speaker 1: the live music. Yeah, I was disappointed. I thought the
Speaker 1: Render had live music. Man, I was ready to hear
Speaker 1: another door. I'm sorry, Yes I do. Let's experience it.
Speaker 1: It is so good. This will be your last. I
Speaker 1: knew I was the contest when this time, Mr Really
Speaker 1: it doesn't like the song It's Missy's birthday, don't play Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so listen to this song. This song is a spoof.
Speaker 1: It's a spoof. You realize it's a joke. Okay, So
Speaker 1: it's and if you remember when I got on that
Speaker 1: dozer that first day and I came back to the render.
Speaker 1: I've been on the dozer. Everybody was like, play is different,
Speaker 1: little bit peppy. He'd been intoxicated with power. Okay, do
Speaker 1: you remember that? So you need to have that in
Speaker 1: your mind. It's an inside joke, okay. The second thing
Speaker 1: was it was I made some some we made some
Speaker 1: commentary about the cat dozer, okay, and we talked about
Speaker 1: it being a black cat. Okay, are we ready? We're ready.
Speaker 1: We're called up. Love you. He was riding a cat
Speaker 1: dozer on the mountains south of town. He was pushing
Speaker 1: them trees over and the rocks that tumble down. She
Speaker 1: was back home, praying that a bore would settle down.
Speaker 1: Deep down, she knew he'd probably never come back around.
Speaker 1: Big black cat, don't take my soul away from me.
Speaker 1: Unbridled power can't change me into the fees like that
Speaker 1: deesel rumbles, those big pines hit the ground, that sand
Speaker 1: rock tumble. That's a girl again. The brown only wanted
Speaker 1: was the place to settle down in the mountains with
Speaker 1: a view and a glow and fire on the ground.
Speaker 1: Big cat, don't take my soul away from me. Unbridled
Speaker 1: power can't change me into a fees like long Live
Speaker 1: the Black Pamper in Mesy. He'll take your soul, your
Speaker 1: body and mine, big black cat, don't take my soul.
Speaker 1: Ohay from me. I'm sorry, you st dog. That's awesome,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. I'll be downloading and on Spotify or wherever
Speaker 1: you get you balance just right down, No that uh
Speaker 1: a little bit, A little bit