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Speaker 1: Yeah, my name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production

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Speaker 1: tense moment today with Mr new we bothering you anything

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Speaker 1: like I was playing Candy Crush. He's on the He's

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Speaker 1: on the Grease podcast. He's a little bit overwhelming that

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Speaker 1: for those of us who have alternate jobs in the day,

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Speaker 1: it can kind of dominate your life a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it as the outsider coming

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Speaker 1: your side hustle, like welcome to the Bear Grease Render. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited about today. I uh, I've got a

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Speaker 1: lot to say. Oh man, I've got a lot to say. Yea, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the dozer. Hey, We've got we've got one person that

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Speaker 1: new person on the Bear Grease Render. We've got three

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Speaker 1: three old hats. We've got three to our left, to

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Speaker 1: my left, Missy newcom Welcome back, Misty, Misty necomes. Birthday

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Speaker 1: today goes special. I love birthdays. You stop having them,

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Speaker 1: there's an issue, So happy birthday too. Misty's left. Maliki Nichols, Hey,

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Speaker 1: did you hear did you hear? You got a shout

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Speaker 1: out on the last render, I didn't. Oh, okay, that

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Speaker 1: means you didn't. That was a test, No, we said,

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Speaker 1: we said, uh, someone was dressed like Maliki Nichols. I

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Speaker 1: can't remember who it was. You said the stand dude,

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Speaker 1: they were well dressed though that they were well dressed,

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Speaker 1: and they yeah, they like Maliki Nichols. Where you been, man, Man,

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Speaker 1: I've been grinding, just doing what you have to do.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to tell people what you do for

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Speaker 1: a living? Sure? Sure? Like I I worked for education

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Speaker 1: nonprofit UM and so I manage and developed programs for

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Speaker 1: state and working hard. And you're in Arkansas hunting license holder.

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Speaker 1: I am two years in a row. Two years in

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Speaker 1: a row. It's real good, supporting conservation, conservation warrior. That's

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Speaker 1: a trim, real serious. To your left, the new man

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Speaker 1: in the render in the circle in the arena, Jonathan Webster, Hello,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here. Listen. It's like winning the contest.

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Speaker 1: You just listen to enough episodes and it's like you

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Speaker 1: submit your your applicates. What it felt like when you

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Speaker 1: my wife and said, it's happening. That's happening. Jonathan is

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Speaker 1: Bear Hunting magazine podcast. Yeah man, we went coon, honey

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Speaker 1: I have no idea why. He's the most intellectually curious

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Speaker 1: Thanks for thanks for coming. BRIT's name has been popping

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Speaker 1: narrate your laugh but he just all right, you gotta

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Speaker 1: that is. I think this is a great idea. I

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Speaker 1: It's an app where you can have you pay to

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Speaker 1: have people like wish you happy birthday. Yeah. So basically

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Speaker 1: You could charge. You can charge whatever you wanted. Um,

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Speaker 1: But it's worth a shot. And they were all retiring everybody. Okay, listen,

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Speaker 1: And he started going, hey, Clay, I heard you say

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Speaker 1: a there is a review on iTunes, and the way

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Speaker 1: knuckle head on a mule mule exactly. That's my first

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Speaker 1: talked about in the podcast, there's only so much, Dan,

422
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: What what stood out to you in this third one?

423
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: I think for me personally, I was surprised at how

424
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: emotional I got kind of towards the end of the

425
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: podcast especially. I think what really I really enjoyed was

426
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: when the artist came to paint his portrait and the

427
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: daughter was like, no, no no, no, this is a good thing.

428
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: And you know, here was this this same man who

429
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: says if it goes fisticuff, shoot, you know, I mean,

430
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: just fearless in every way. And then a painter comes

431
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: and he's like no, no, no no, I'm not doing that

432
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: and she's like, no, Dad, it's okay, you know, just

433
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: really seeing the human side of him and imagining him

434
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: like getting in that coffin and giving his grandkids a

435
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: hard time. I think seeing the familiar ol my grandfather

436
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: was a huge gooper. I mean just a total goof

437
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: off and that's I could totally imagine him doing something

438
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: like that. And I think that really made Daniel Boone

439
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: for me a person, you know, he and I was like, oh, man,

440
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: like he was a guy. And the fact that two

441
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: miles down the road somebody don't even know who was

442
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: It was just the whole thing, That old little last chapter.

443
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: I think, like you said, and the you know two

444
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: weeks ago in the render, like it's gonna really it's

445
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: gonna really change the way you look at him, and

446
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: it really did. Man. That was my favorite part probably

447
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: of all the stuff we talked about, and in all

448
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 1: four hours of documentary on Boon, was that right at

449
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: the end of his life, you see so much like

450
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: he he was living in a little cabin behind Jemima's

451
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: house when and this is what Chester Harding said. So

452
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: if Alex wants to back check, Chester Harding had no, no,

453
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: the uh no, because you wonder where these details come from.

454
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the only person there was Chester Harding and Boone.

455
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: Did Boone come out and say, yeah, I was roasting

456
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: a deer leg when Chester got here. He may have,

457
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 1: but I mean, just these little details show us so much.

458
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine eighty It's unclear to me how old

459
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: Boone was. I want to say it was in the

460
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: last year of his life. And so you know, presumably

461
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: he was like eighty six years old. Um, and he's

462
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: back there roasting a deer leg by himself on a

463
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: ramrod that you know he probably shot the deer. I mean,

464
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: you got why would you think otherwise? But that was

465
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: the part that I mean, I have to piggyback on

466
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: what he has already been said. That was gonna happen.

467
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: That is the back What resonated with me so much

468
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: is like Steve said, he didn't go do the Wild

469
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: Bill Hiccock Wild Western when he easily could have. He

470
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: could have been a He died a poor man, and

471
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: he could have been a very wealthy man just by

472
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: speaking engagements, going here and telling that, but and and

473
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: telling his story. But he lived in a little cabin

474
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: in the woods, and he took solace by playing with

475
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: his kids and his grandkids. And I have been There's

476
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: no way. I mean, this guy has done so much

477
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: and seen so much and been so many places. But

478
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: I get it. I know why he's like that. Jonathan

479
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: sesmithon while to Go before we started recording, he said,

480
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, You've probably got some pretty good stories being

481
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: undercover officer for all these years. Well, I do. And

482
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: I've been to some very cool places with you, Clay,

483
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: and we've seen some really cool stuff. But the better

484
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: part of my day and the best thing that I

485
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: can imagine is sitting in the backyard playing with my

486
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: kids or my grandkids. And that I thought, you know,

487
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: that's a connection that he and I have. That what

488
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, the most important thing

489
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: are those the things that are really important? And this guy,

490
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: I mean, he was responsible for westward expansion, and yet

491
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: he would really rather set in the fire and cook

492
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: a deer leg on his ramrod. You know that that

493
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: was that spoke volumes to you know, I think we

494
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: this is part of the mythology of Boone is that

495
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: we can cherry pick from his life these grand moments,

496
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what we want to talk about.

497
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: But man, the Boone went through the meat grinding in life.

498
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: He lost two of his sons. I mean, even think about,

499
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: like we don't know if if the illegitimacy of Jemima

500
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: was true, but think about a husband that would have

501
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: come home and been like, oh, we're doing that well.

502
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: And then maybe he had a Shawnee wife too. I mean,

503
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: that's distress inside of a home. Whatever time period to

504
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: say he had, you know, his first years in Kentucky.

505
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: Imagine being a poor guy today, just scrapping by and

506
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: being able to go somewhere and earn a significant year's wage.

507
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: Let's say that, And it depends on what part of

508
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: the country you're in, but like in Arkansas, let's say

509
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: that would be like eighty grand, like if you could

510
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 1: go in a couple of months make eighty thou dollars

511
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: and bring it home and like you're used to making

512
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: like thirty five on the way home. Ye, somebody stops

513
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: you and goes, hey, bro, we'll be taking that. The

514
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: number of times that you mentioned him getting robbed or

515
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: losing his stuff was astonishing, Like that's kind of stuff

516
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: that you just feel like would leave a mark on

517
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: you as a person. Now, like I got robbed one

518
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: time and I'll never forget it. And it's like he

519
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: got drugged and robbed and he got his The number

520
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: of times that you mentioned, it's like, man, and it

521
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: wasn't that many people running around. Yeah, he was constantly.

522
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: He had lots and lots of failures. Just think think

523
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: too though, at the end of his life, just kind

524
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: of what you said, Brent, he kind of he wasn't

525
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: interested in fame and glory at that point. He had

526
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: sifted through all that stuff and yet still he was pleasant.

527
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: Many people noted that his presence was quote coveted by

528
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: his family and his older age, so that that speaks

529
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: of a man in good standing. A lot of sacrifice

530
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: that went through for them. But think about all the

531
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: different outcomes. Though, when you're in your eighties and you've

532
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: been through that kind of life, you could be a

533
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: real jay hole. Yeah, or your family he could hate you, yes,

534
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: for leading them in different directions. I mean, think about

535
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: the tragedies that easily his family could have blamed him for. Yeah, yeah, seriously,

536
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: so that it seems like normal. Well, of course, if

537
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: your grandpa's Daniel Boone, you're gonna like him. No. I mean,

538
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: lots of life breaks people down, and at his old age,

539
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: what we saw was an intact man, you know. And

540
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: to me, it goes back to kind of the point

541
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: of Robert Morgan's book is that Boone was not just

542
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: a superhero or mythical American character. He actually had character,

543
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: not without flaws, but he had character. And that that that, Yeah,

544
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: the Chester Harding thing blows my mind, like that within

545
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: two miles of where Boone lives, they the man didn't

546
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: even know who he was. It was just like, yeah,

547
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: that white haired guy, yeah, Daniel Boone. Yeah sure, whatever,

548
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: Wild Jonathan, what what stood out to you? I think

549
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: this episode painted more complex picture of him than the

550
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: other episodes, and I was really interested in the paradox

551
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: is that you guys mentioned the number of paradoxes. Like,

552
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was very interesting that he would be

553
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: a market hunter in that trip where he killed a

554
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: hundred fifty bears, and yet he's seeing game be reduced

555
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: and seeing that it's unsustainable, and it's like, what makes

556
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: a man do that? I think you've made a comment

557
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: or maybe Robert Morgan made a comment about you know,

558
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: in retrospect, we could probably see that it's a paradox,

559
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: but maybe he didn't see it himself. And I just

560
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: think that that's it. It just paints a very complex picture.

561
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: It makes you want to know what kind of a

562
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: man he was, even though you get this picture of

563
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: him later in life. It's like, how do you not

564
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: see this this paradox? How do you how do you

565
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: reconcile that? Um? I thought it really painted a complex picture.

566
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: And uh I can I would defend Boone on that.

567
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: I mean, and and I'm not saying you're indicting him,

568
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: but like life moves at slow ocean, I mean in

569
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: a lot of ways that the cutting edge of time.

570
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: When you're here, you see things so much different than

571
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: you see once you're past it. And if you if

572
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: I could go somewhere today and and there were no rules,

573
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: no regulations. To kill a hundred and fifty five bears

574
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: in one season would be pretty good. Was this idea

575
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 1: that like the game was all leaving? Like, I think

576
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: that was like years down the track from that event?

577
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: Was that I thought that that was later in life,

578
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: and I had assumed that was after he was in

579
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: the legislature where he had pen some legislation about protecting

580
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, well and it it. I don't know

581
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: the details of exactly when that was, but it was

582
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: when he was in his sixties though, So you're right.

583
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: I think you're right. Yeah, I think you're right though

584
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: when you say that life moves in slow motion and

585
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: you don't see these things about yourself sometimes, um man.

586
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: I that story. Like what I liked about the episode

587
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: three was it was kind of like clean up. We

588
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: had covered all this stuff and then I went through

589
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: and like Cherry picked a bunch of stuff that I

590
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: just couldn't talk about Boone without talking about So this

591
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: guy rolling down the Sandy Big Sandy River in Kentucky

592
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: and seeing Daniel Boone and his family, that wasn't a

593
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: life changing moment for Boone's life but it was just

594
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: a picture. This guy's in a river, you know, riding

595
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: down the river, sees the family pulls up on the shore.

596
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: It's Dee Boone and Rebecca and two of his daughters

597
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: and their son in laws there in half faced camps,

598
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: which I assumed that means a three sided log structure.

599
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: They're eating out of a common tray, which would just

600
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: be a big tray. Basically, they chunked the big thing

601
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: of meat down and bread bear camp kind do the

602
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: newcombs from every every now and they had carved for

603
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: because that a cane, And it's just it's just pretty wild.

604
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: Do you think, like when we look back on the

605
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: paradox Jonathan and it's like, how could he how could

606
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: he kill that many bear but also passed that legislation.

607
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: I mean, he passed legislation, obviously recognized there as a problem.

608
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: But I look back on somebody like Daniel Boone and

609
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: I want them to take a stand on the right things.

610
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: But I divorce I usually divorce him in my mind

611
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: from yeah, at sixty, he was still a man with

612
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: the family and bear Greece was how many dollars a gallon?

613
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: And he needed like he had so It's like, yes,

614
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: he recognizes that these things are bad and I and

615
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: we need to do something about that, But at the

616
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: same time, I gotta take care of my family. You know,

617
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: go ahead. I think the economic term for that is

618
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: the tragedy of the commons, right, And I wonder how

619
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: much of that was playing in his mind, which is

620
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: I've got to like if I don't if I don't

621
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: take these bear, then we lose out and it helps

622
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: no one because the West is going to get expanded in.

623
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: There was there was no thought of that, like the

624
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: the the the the conservation ethic of the modern North

625
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: American hunter was not even developed at that point. Those

626
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 1: were the formative ideas of of people saying like, maybe

627
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: we ought to preserve this game. And it wasn't until

628
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds when it truly was a crisis

629
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: and all these animals were getting wiped off the face

630
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: of the earth that they said, hey, we really gotta

631
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: do something. And this, this, this modern North American hunting

632
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: ethic was built, which is where we give value to

633
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: older age males to take stress off the females juveniles.

634
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: And I mean, you hear me talk about it all

635
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: the time. Essentially the Boone and Crockett Boone and Crockett

636
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: Club was the one that introduced this idea Teddy Roosevelt

637
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: and they named the club after Boon. And so I

638
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: mean to look back and I realized you're not saying this,

639
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: but to look back at Boon and say, oh, man,

640
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: you're unethical. You're an unethical hunter. It's really just not realistic,

641
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: you know. I mean for him to be like, you

642
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: know what, we're gonna conserve these bears. I will only

643
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: shoot the oldest bears that I see. Like that just

644
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: wasn't a thought. That would essentially be like someone saying,

645
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: you know what, we ought to use the computer rather

646
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: than send this through the mail, and they're like, well, uh,

647
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: never work there. There are no such thing as computers

648
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: here two years to earlier. Um no, it's probably Malachi.

649
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: What did you think? Man? Man, It was really hard

650
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: to start the podcast because let me in here, let

651
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: me let me explain why. You know, I think that

652
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone was was somebody I guess that I grew

653
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: up with who you hear a lot about, but you

654
00:42:54,360 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: don't know much about, right, And this mystical woodsman that

655
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: you know from my perspective just you know, killed animals,

656
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: and as I got that's what Yeah, on my street

657
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: we ride donkeys, um. But I think, as I like,

658
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: as I listened to all three and I think everybody

659
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: has said it, you see the human aspect of him,

660
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: and you you gain a level of respect that where

661
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: you where you feel that the the grandeur or the

662
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: respect or the even the aspect of he's being kind

663
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: of put on a pedal stool. Now it's earned because

664
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: not because of the all that he done, you know,

665
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: he went to the Cumberland Gap and all these things,

666
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: but the aspect of him being a man right, taking

667
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: care of his family, even the aspect of I really

668
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: liked how he he respected Indians right, even though there

669
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: were times of conflict there. There's always like a hat

670
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: tip in my book when anybody where society deems another

671
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: group of people as less than, if a person can

672
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: shows a level of respect that they're equal, And to me,

673
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: that's that's like a hat tip. Back then, literally they

674
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: were considered savages. I omitted that word from some of

675
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: the readings that I did on this podcast. I hadn't

676
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: told anybody that, yeah, and I mean just to say that,

677
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: like he was progressive. Yeah, yeah, And I to me

678
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: that that gives, that gives, Okay, this guy was the

679
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: real deal. It's like, man that was, that's a good guy.

680
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: That's a guy that that gets gets a head nod

681
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: and a hat tip um, not just because of the

682
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: conservation things, but because of who the guy was. So

683
00:44:54,400 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: my perspective, I think that like what you're saying, Alakai

684
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: reminds me. Another thing that stuck out to me was

685
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: when his time in in the legislature was discussed and

686
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: he would frequently wear the Shawnee. Yeah, and I think today,

687
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, of course, like we would rightfully somebody, you know,

688
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: a white man does that, we're gonna level cultural appropriation

689
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: on him, Like you don't just put on indigenous garb

690
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: as a white man and go into Congress. And and

691
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: maybe that term didn't even exist back then, and maybe

692
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: there were Native Americans did not have a voice to

693
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: kind of levy that critique against him. Uh or maybe

694
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: he had lived in such a way with them and

695
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: loved them in such a way where in putting that on,

696
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: like you said in the podcast, he was acknowledging his

697
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: roots and they were a part of him and who

698
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: he was in his roots, and I think that that

699
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: definitely hit me. It was like, here here's a man

700
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: who I mean, he obviously had conflict with Native Americans,

701
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: but there was a deep love and a deep respect

702
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: and he allowed it to shape who he was. And

703
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stand up here in the legislature and

704
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: do my job unless I represent the people who made

705
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: me Like it wasn't that a wild imagery. I mean,

706
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: he wasn't. It wasn't a costume party. Like you you

707
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: almost you could feel like it was a stunt. Yeah,

708
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: like Boone wearing his buckskins into the legislature. I don't

709
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: think it was. I mean, he was making a statement,

710
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: like he could have gone to town and did what

711
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: they did, but he was, Like I just think he

712
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: had no choice but to be true to who he was.

713
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: He showed, I mean, not to make a joke about.

714
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he chose the mule. Everybody else was wearing

715
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: those silk shirts really nice. I mean, these are the

716
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: leading intellectual thinkers of Western development in their time and

717
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: he shows up in buckskin and that's my president. Man.

718
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: That that image is just to me, it's just so

719
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 1: And the fact that it wasn't a stunt, because today

720
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: you could not do that without it being highly inappropriate

721
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: and offensive and a stunt which could entirely inappropriate, of course,

722
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: But but the fact that he did it and it

723
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: wasn't and it was true to who he was. Um,

724
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: And maybe I have a totally naive view of it,

725
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: and it was totally a stunt back down, but it

726
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: seems like it was. I mean, I think he was

727
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: aware of the statement that he was making. It would

728
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: essentially be like, Um, I mean, there's people that have

729
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: done stuff like that. You know, you see the odd

730
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: politician from out west walking in whereing his cowboy hat.

731
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: Didn't one of the guys rode a horse into the

732
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: White House a few years ago. But here's the thing.

733
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: When you're adopted, shawnny dad choose the sugarcane and gets

734
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: it moist in his mouth for you and then hands

735
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: it to you. And you've lived with him and speak

736
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: his language, and you've been in his family. You're not

737
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: putting on a cowboy hat and riding a horse into

738
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: the White House. Yeah, you you have become part of

739
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: their family. And when he comes out before the fort

740
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: and says, why do you leave? Yeah, I mean, this

741
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: man lived a totally different way of life, um, and

742
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: that's why he could do that. And you say that's

743
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the hat tip, you know. Yeah, when

744
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: he hands you that that already cheered on a piece

745
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: of cane, that's when you say in Shawnee hard pass

746
00:48:50,480 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: whatever that is, I'm like, no thanks, like dad, come

747
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: no hey. When I again, everything that was in this

748
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: podcast was things that I hand picked. I mean it

749
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: really was. And I would tell that story over and

750
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: over to black my kids. I mean that stood out

751
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: to me, and it stood out to Nathan Boone because

752
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: when Nathan Boone was seventy four years old and his

753
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: dad had been dead for thirty years, he remembered that

754
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: Blackfish chewed the lump of sugar and gave it. I

755
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: mean you can almost just see like the glow and

756
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: black Fish's eyes to see what he would do, see

757
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: if he would take it. And what did the bood do?

758
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: He took it, he ate it. There are only two

759
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: people standing there. How do we know that information? Because

760
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: Dan Boone went home and he told his whole family.

761
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: He said, Rebecca, don't give me no sugar. I just

762
00:49:54,360 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 1: had some from the chief. No I mean, you try

763
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: to describe like Boone's relationship with black Fish and the

764
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: Shawnees in a thousand word article, or you could tell

765
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: that one story. It's kind of like a picture tells

766
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: a thousand words. What is it about? Like I think

767
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: in our day and so many I mean these books.

768
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: You have all these books on biographies on Daniel Boone,

769
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: and it's these stories that I mean, you could just

770
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: hear you talk about a good storyteller. And I remember

771
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: like asking you to just tell me a story one

772
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 1: more time, Like I just somebody tells a really good story,

773
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 1: you want to hear it again. But our culture, we're

774
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: constantly trying to invent new TV shows and new narratives

775
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: and new and it's got to be novel. But yet

776
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: deep down inside it's like we want that. We want

777
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: that good old story, Like tell me that story that

778
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: has meaning and value and and actually, if if it

779
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: really does, I want to hear it again. And I

780
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: think that's what's something that I kind of saw in

781
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 1: Boone's life over the course of the three that's different

782
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: from now. It's it's authentic, right. I think what you

783
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: see now is people telling stories for views, people's telling

784
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: stories to be validated by somebody else versus just this

785
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: is who I am. He didn't, you know, I don't.

786
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: I don't think Daniel Boone would have if he was

787
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 1: in today's age, would have said, they put that on Instagram.

788
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: Will I take he could have done it, yeah, And

789
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: I think they could have toured and did that. Yeah.

790
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's something that's powerful when somebody

791
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 1: builds their life for the sake of building their lives,

792
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: versus somebody who tries to reach a point inside their

793
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: lives so people can validate them, or so people can

794
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: say what they're building is cool, or what they're building

795
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: is something that I want to build. And I think

796
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: that's a that's a fascinating aspect about about him. I

797
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: think even in today's culture, you know, media and culture

798
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: at large finds people who have that aspect of just

799
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: genuine desire and their own value and tries to make

800
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: it a product, and unfortunately a lot of people fall

801
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: for that. And then you see like people who you

802
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: discovered quote unquote like early in their career, early in

803
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: their development, and you really like what they're doing, but

804
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: then over time they become kind of commercialized and so Daniel.

805
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: Boone's version of that was the legislature and what did

806
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: he do? He wore buckskin and he didn't give into

807
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: that product. Uh yeah, I appreciated that too. At the end,

808
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: we talked about how Boon didn't buy into the myth

809
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: of himself. You know, he there was there was a

810
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 1: story and it was it was said that someone told

811
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: read something to him about him, and he said stuff

812
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: like that that shouldn't read to a guy until he's dead.

813
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: I think Boone, in a lot of ways, we probably

814
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: got Boon wrong in some ways. From a at a

815
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: personal level, I do not think Boone if he were

816
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: here today, I think he would shock him that we're

817
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: talking about him like we are. I mean, I can't

818
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: argue with that because I always go back to that

819
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: thing that there there was a lot of those guys

820
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: because him surviving every day. I mean, he didn't call

821
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: that an intervention. That was Tuesday. That's what all those

822
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: folks were doing. And the good ones got to retire

823
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: and be a lived to be eighty two or eighty six,

824
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 1: however old he was, and the other folks didn't. Yeah,

825
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: it was like you remember Bob and I dude could

826
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: not be able to fire for nothing. No, I don't

827
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: remember him. Oh, that's right, he's been dead fifty years.

828
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: He froze to death. I think I think part of

829
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 1: Boone's what we see and what I view as humility

830
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: hard one humility at the end of his life was

831
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: not him knowing that he was some kind of national

832
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: hero stud and like choosing to be humble man. The

833
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: guy was beat down by life, Like I think he

834
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: would just be like, yeah, I was just kind of

835
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: a normal dude. We did some stuff, even say lost. Oh.

836
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: I think I think he probably had a pretty big

837
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: sense of some personal failure in his life for sure.

838
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: That probably instructed him. So this Elizabeth Corvin quote I

839
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: think at the end that I put in there and

840
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: talked about how mild he said. She said, the man

841
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: spoke in effeminine, soft tones, and she said, all the

842
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: old woodsman that I know, I can't think of one

843
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: that did not act that way. That really stood out

844
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: to me big time. And I'll tell you, I'll walk

845
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: you through my thought process on it. Boon did all

846
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: this stuff. Yeah, having that damn you do not use

847
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: the word if feminine with Dbeth. No, that's why I

848
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: put it in there because this it makes me think

849
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: about well, as a hunter, It's like, what am I

850
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: doing that cause inside of hunting that causes me to

851
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: not be humble Like he spent his lifetime in the wilderness,

852
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: and he came out humble like. He came out soft spoken,

853
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: he came out like not he was not the one

854
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: wanting to tell all his stories. He was the one

855
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: that was quiet. I think sometimes you see the opposite

856
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: of that, not just in hunting, but in life in

857
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: other ways, is that people have grand experiences in it

858
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: it causes them to become more loud, more more, not

859
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 1: humble more. They dominate. Well, it just it's just like

860
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: they believed the myth about themselves and also people's perception

861
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: of them too. Maybe that didn't know it. You wouldn't

862
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: think Daniel Boone would have effeminate voice. And I think

863
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: about it. Reminded when I listened to that, I listened

864
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 1: to I was reminded of a documentary about General Patton,

865
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: and only reference before that was the old movie George C.

866
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: Scott played and he had a big voice. He talked

867
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,720
Speaker 1: like this, and in the in the documentary they talked

868
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: about that General Patton was not as tall as George C. Scott.

869
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: And when he answered the phone, he sounded like somebody's grandmother,

870
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: like General Patton, you know, was what he sounded like.

871
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: And I thought, that's not what he sounds like. He

872
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: sounds just like George C. Scott, General Man. So it's

873
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: everybody's perception of him, you know that you wouldn't you

874
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't think it would be that way, and that it

875
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: was another thing that humanized him to me. Well, what

876
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: it made me think about on a personal level is that,

877
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: like our exploits, what we do should make us humble. Yeah,

878
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: it shouldn't puff us up. You want the guy at

879
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: the end to be the same as the guy at

880
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: the beginning. You don't want And I think that's kind

881
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: of what Jonathan was talking about. Like you hear these

882
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: early stories of him, and then you hear these stories

883
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: of conquests and things like that, But at the end

884
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: he's cooking a deer over a fire with his kids

885
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: and his grandkids, and it's there's something real noble about that, right,

886
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: There's There were many stories of his old age that

887
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: I couldn't include. One person noted that when he heard

888
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: people come to the house, he would drift off away

889
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: into the woods and into his cabin. Like in his

890
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: old age, he was kind of done with like because

891
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: people it was insinuated that people would come by to

892
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: want to just talk to him, want to hear the stories,

893
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: and he just was kind of like, ah, forget the story.

894
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: And the thing is, he could be a he could

895
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: be a big talker. He could talk like a chief.

896
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: You know. I think that's that. There was the court

897
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: martial where he defended himself and won over the judges

898
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: and actually got a promotion. I mean, clearly, it's kind

899
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: of like another paradox inside the man. I mean, he

900
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: could be this larger than life talker, but at the

901
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: end of his life that wasn't who who he was.

902
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: Well he was, yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up,

903
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: because you know, he he was a good storyteller, he

904
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: was a leader. There was a magnetism to him. So

905
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: he was charismatic, but it was an authentic kind of charismatic.

906
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: Um it had to have been, you know, he could

907
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: he he had a wide range of functionality as a

908
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: human and he wouldn't be quiet, but he also knew

909
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: when to speak. That's what it seems like I think

910
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: he referenced that in the first episode about him when

911
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: he was young and had that charisma about him just

912
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: drew people that magnetism. So having it then when he's young,

913
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: and then a life full of experiences, Yeah, let's see that. MSTI,

914
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: what was your favorite part? We haven't asked you that. Well.

915
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: I think I feel like to describe to explain my

916
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: my favorite part of the part that stood out just

917
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: of this whole series. I think that as and we've

918
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: talked about this as a family and as a person,

919
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: what we've really sought to do is to build a

920
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: culture in our home and in our hearts that transcends

921
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: any regional or national, any type of other identity. What

922
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean by that is we want, you know, like

923
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: our our spiritual existence and our spiritual values are the

924
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: things that got our home, and so that's what we

925
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: we tell. We say that to our kids, like, yeah,

926
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: we like being Hillbillies. We were real comfortable with where

927
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: we come from and and who we are. But we

928
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: don't want that to limit us. We don't want our

929
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: are those things. So I'm real conscious of that. I'm

930
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: real conscious of when I hear things I think, do

931
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: I think that way because I'm from Arkansas. Do I

932
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: think that way because I'm an American? Because I don't

933
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: want to just think that way. I want I want

934
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: this higher set of values to guide how I think.

935
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: Listen to the Daniel Boone podcast and hearing him talk

936
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: about hearing like he is as an archetype of American identity,

937
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: I was kind of struck by there's things in me

938
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: that are in me because of those stories and I

939
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: don't even know it. I didn't even recognize it. They're

940
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: so default. I mean, there's an aspect of, even with

941
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: intentional building, to know the things that you're you're that

942
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: define you and to know how your national heritage defines

943
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: you and how and an intentional effort to not just

944
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: build your life that way. I wouldn't have said I

945
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: would have never told you. Yeah, I would have never

946
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: said Daniel Boone had a major impact on my life.

947
01:00:54,640 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: And yet I love adventure. That is what we set

948
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: out to do from the very beginning, and I did

949
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: not have the answers to it. Man. That's the one

950
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: thing that is true to this podcast is I genuinely

951
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: had a question. I think I want to answers right

952
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: on your hands that the question was, I wonder how

953
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: I've been impacted by Dan Boone and don't even know it.

954
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I suspected that we were, and I would

955
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: I would think it's not hard to think that you

956
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: were right, I mean, but when what was interesting to

957
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: me was because like I love I enjoy going camping,

958
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: I enjoy adventure, I enjoy taking the kids out hiking,

959
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: I like doing I like uh, kind of intensely pursuing things.

960
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: And as you were describing Daniel Boone as an American

961
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: archetype and someone who this is like part of the

962
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: American identity, I would not have thought that that is

963
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: something that shaped me just as a as a woman,

964
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: as a not I mean someone who are pre shapes

965
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: the outdoors but does not would not have described herself

966
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: as a woodsman. You know, those are those are not descriptors.

967
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, I see how you could have found that,

968
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: but I wasn't expecting for me to find that, And

969
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: and that's what I found in it. And the this

970
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: last one, as I was I was driving to the

971
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: kids to school and listening to and I just thought, man,

972
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: that is that's kind of crazy, and it's kind of

973
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: interesting to me how we have those things that shape us,

974
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: and that shape are that that we don't even realize

975
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: like a default person is going to have that. And

976
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: one of the I you know, we have friends who

977
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: are from other countries, and they always kind of laugh

978
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: at us when we talk about for vacation, for relaxation,

979
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our kids out in the woods, and

980
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, they think that's kind of crazy. And I've

981
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: always thought that's funny that they think that. But I

982
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: realized it's Daniel Boone's fingerprints on our lives and and

983
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: all those guys, you know, those that we think that

984
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: that's fun, that we think that extra effort is fun,

985
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: and and it's I just would not have that. And

986
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: I thought your section Dan was so good because it

987
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: it's I mean, you had such firsthand experience with that

988
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: over China, just seeing that, you know, so in in

989
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: I've got the book my father Daniel Boone in my

990
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: hand here, I had some people asked me they wanted

991
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: more information on the latter part of Dan's life, how

992
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: active he was, because and and this is this was

993
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: a story that Nathan told Lyman Drake hashtag lionel Rich

994
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: Nate Nate Draper in the fall of eighteen seventeen, late November,

995
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: my father Daniel Boone. I like how Nathan always says

996
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: that my father, I know, there's something so appealing to me.

997
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: They were so regal in the way they spoke. My father,

998
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone entered then entering upon his eighty fourth year,

999
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: started it on a hunting trip with his grandson James Boone,

1000
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: my oldest son. This was before Jesse Boone moved to

1001
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: the country. They started each with mounted on horseback. Upon

1002
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: leaving Flanders Callaway, they proceeded on and camped the first

1003
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: night on the headwaters of the Share at about thirteen

1004
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: miles from the Callaway house. Okay, let's just stop right there.

1005
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: Dan's eighty four. He just rode a horse thirteen miles. Okay,

1006
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: can barely spend half an hour an old dozer. Hey.

1007
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: When I first got into mules, part of what I

1008
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: was thinking, long term thinking, was when I'm an old man,

1009
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a craft and I'm gonna be able

1010
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: to stay out there longer. When really it was a

1011
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: thought it was like losers can't right, that's right. And

1012
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: then I realized that you gotta be more athletic and

1013
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: strong to ride a stinking mule or horse than it

1014
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: is to walk. I mean, so generally people don't have

1015
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: the flexibility and strength. And somebody can tell me, you know,

1016
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: about the guy that's ninety and still rides, and there

1017
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: are those people. But generally to mount a horse or

1018
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: an equine animal, it takes a lot of flexibility, a

1019
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: lot of core strengths. So anyway, it's notable that he's

1020
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: eighty four and they've ridden not thirteen miles. Hold on,

1021
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: they rode thirteen miles from the Calais house. Night overtook

1022
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,959
Speaker 1: them sooner than they expected, and they camped rather late

1023
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: and had not had time to prepare shelter. That night,

1024
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: two inches of snow fell. The snow glare of the

1025
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: fire caused a wild duck to land inside beside the fire.

1026
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: James Boone caught it easily. To his bewilderment, father was

1027
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: exhilarated to be out camping again. He had brought his gun,

1028
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: his kettle, a light axe, provision, and two or three traps.

1029
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: He seemed to feel himself in his ancient element. After

1030
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: the evening meal, he told stories of the olden time

1031
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: adventures the pair had The duck for breakfast the next

1032
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: morning and continued on their way. The weather had become okay.

1033
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: Eight four year old man just camped on the ground

1034
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: to his snow, just like whatever, and it made him

1035
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: come alive. The pair had the duck for breakfast the

1036
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: next morning continued on the way. The weather had become

1037
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: cold and blustery, so they had to stop to make

1038
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: a fire for father to warm himself. They went only

1039
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: eight miles that day and stopped the House of Entertainment,

1040
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: a house of entertainment at Camp Branch, a noted camping

1041
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: place for travelers. The next day they went twenty two

1042
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: miles to Lutra Lick. The weather had moderated a little

1043
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: but was still cold, and all but two miles of

1044
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: that day's travel was on exposed prairie. The cold had

1045
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: affected my father's age frame, and he found he could

1046
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: proceed no further since he could not bear the exposure.

1047
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: He then decided to remain at his granddaughter's Miss Major

1048
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: van Bibbers at Lutra Lick and abandoned the intended hunt.

1049
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: He abandoned the hunt after two plus fourteen plus. Malachi

1050
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: is the only one I trust. Thirty six mile horse

1051
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: ride camping in two inches of snow, and he was like, man, James, sorry, bro,

1052
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: I don't think this is gonna work out. Um No,

1053
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: but incredible. And then I'm gonna read a statement that

1054
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: we have all probably as hunters, made some version of it.

1055
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: So this is gonna sound really familiar. But this is

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Speaker 1: the author of that familiarity. Do you see what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: Nathan Boone said this. My father said he was as

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01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: naturally inclined each fall to go hunting and trapping as

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01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: the farmer is in spring to set about putting in

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01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: his cross. That's good. I mean, he was just like

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01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: even at an old age, Dan was like, let's go,

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01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: let's go. He never he never lost that fire, and

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01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: I thought that was notable. And then the day he

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01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 1: had the day before he died. If you remember Nathan

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01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: described as death. He said, he stood on the porch

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01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: and he said, man, if I feel good this good, tomorrow,

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01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 1: I think I'll ride the horse around the farm. And

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01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 1: then he went inside, took a nap, and a fever

1069
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: came on him and he knew that it was his

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01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: last sickness. He told them that, I mean, it's so

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01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 1: wild that we know so much about this guy, I

1072
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: mean down to his very thoughts, right up to his

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01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: last breath on the earth. Bizarre that we know so

1074
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: much about this guy. You know, he he felt a

1075
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: pain that he had never felt before. I mean, all

1076
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: of us are pretty young. We hadn't died yet. Immediate

1077
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: take note that if you feel a very strange I

1078
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: mean like he knew he was like this is this

1079
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: is the one when he felt that burning sensation. They

1080
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: refused the medication and he had his family all come around.

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01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: Man talking to Robert Morgan about death and the nineteen

1082
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 1: was really moving. Um. I mean he he's an old

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01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: man himself and he uh, it's just the way that

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01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: we deal with death today. It's so bizarre compared to

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01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: the experiences of most humans that have lived on planet Earth. Yeah. Um,

1086
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, wild old d Boone man the dog, the dog. Yeah,

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01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 1: this is a good thing. This is a really good

1088
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: not too bad. Good job. Nuke the next one you

1089
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: talk about that's still under reps. It better be good,

1090
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: pal for this to kind of how long can we

1091
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: keep this up? Oh? Man? No? What has been cool

1092
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: about this podcast? And and that's this is what we

1093
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: do at the renders behind the scenes. This thing's kind

1094
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: of taking a life of its own a lot of ways.

1095
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 1: You know, like this is not really what we totally

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01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: planned to do. Did we have a plan. But I

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01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: think there's significance in looking back at these guys, and

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01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: you know my closing commentary at the end about American identity,

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01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: that is something that I am very passionate about, very

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01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: passionate about. They're bigger fish to fry on planet Earth

1101
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: than than us maintaining our hunting privileges in this country, right,

1102
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's kind of what a lot of

1103
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: people that listen to this podcast and me are interested in,

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01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: is like the preservation of our way of life. But

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01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: it's it's so much bigger than that though. It's not

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01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: just I want my sons to be able to go

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01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 1: and hunt a deer so that their heart will beat fast,

1108
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: and so that they can experience what it means to

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01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: be a woodsman and and and and engage with nature

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01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: in that way. What I'm really saying is I want

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: what I want them to have the opportunity to be

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01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: who I have been and what I have, what I

1113
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: am is deeply connected to this thing, this way of life,

1114
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: and what's happening inside of in our country maybe other

1115
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,719
Speaker 1: places too, is that it's like it's like we're trying

1116
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 1: they're trying to snuff out this, They're trying to snuff

1117
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 1: out the woodsman. They're trying to snuff like they're like,

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01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: this is not a relevant part of our society anymore.

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01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: We don't need hunters. And that's happened in lots of

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01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: different ways, and that's not what this is about. But

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01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean, essentially, what my appeal was, make a place,

1122
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: a perpetual place at the table of the people who

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01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: get to decide what American identity is. Leave a chair

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01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: for us, Leave a chair for us. That's all we ask. Man.

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Speaker 1: There are people in this country that don't care a

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01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: thing about wild places. That is fine. Their world revolves

1127
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: around urban life. And I mean the vast majority of

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01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: this country, I mean lives in very urban places, and

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01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: they have heroes and they have things that they pound

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01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: the table for about their way of life, which absolutely

1131
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: has a right. They have a right to put their

1132
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: fingerprint on the American identity. America developed as a melting

1133
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: pot of all these different cultures. We see it. Well,

1134
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 1: what we're saying is that the woodsman is a legitimate

1135
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: voice inside today. And my only appeal was, let the

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01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 1: woodsman manage the wild places in the wildlife of this country.

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01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: It's really that simple, because that's the way it works now,

1138
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 1: that's the way it has worked for the last two

1139
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: hundred years. And to cut to it, just a talking

1140
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: point that is true is there are more big game

1141
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: and thriving big game in North America than any place

1142
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: on the planet. And it's because of the woodsman valued

1143
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: wild places. They've value the wilderness, they valued that majestic buck,

1144
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: they valued Deeboon, devalued those bears such that he made

1145
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: a cultural imprint on us. And that value today in

1146
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: a highly urbanized world translates into that we have said, hey,

1147
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: there's some places where civilization is not coming, and we're

1148
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: marking these places off, and we're gonna manage the game.

1149
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: If you have a confined area, natural game populations are

1150
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 1: designed to expand, and they can't expand, so we need

1151
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 1: to hunt them a little bit. We're gonna take out

1152
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: ten percent of the population every year through sport hunting.

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01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 1: We're gonna train our kids to be woodsman. We're gonna

1154
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: train them to to harvest and process wild game and

1155
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: bring it home and have the most ethically harvested, sustainable,

1156
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,839
Speaker 1: healthy meat rocket fuel on the planet. This is a

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01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: very valuable thing to society. We're saying, let us keep

1158
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 1: doing that, and we'll let you keep doing the things

1159
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: that you're interested in. Skateboards, keep keep riding your horses,

1160
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: will ride our mules, you know. And the thing is,

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01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: you're not only it's not it's it's that. Plus you're

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01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:17,480
Speaker 1: turning out young men and women with integrity and humility

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01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: and values that are higher than we like to hunt,

1164
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: you know. Or it makes my heart race. It's just

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01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 1: like Daniel Boone, through a hard life of risk and

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01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: adventure and and real challenges in nature, learned character and

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01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 1: in the end he might ironically, even though he kind

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01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: of embodied the American narrative, I go out and I

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01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: dominate the wild. Ironically, according to the World standards, he

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01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 1: ended the life of poor man little known, but really

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01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 1: in terms of character and integrity and love for his family,

1172
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:56,560
Speaker 1: he won. Uh. He won big. And that's what And

1173
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: and we want that for our kids, and we want

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01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 1: that for a emilies. And you know, I believe that

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01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: dedication to craft does it's not the only thing that

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01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: makes you a good human. It's not at all. I mean,

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01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 1: like you could be a hunter and be a dirt

1178
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 1: ball and love to hunt. That is entirely possible. But

1179
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: when things that take the dedication of a lifetime to

1180
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: master become something that you focus on, you have to

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01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of other stuff in your life built, right,

1182
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: So there's correlations, there's connections. Look, I glanced at Malachi

1183
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: when I said that word, he's our correlation, you know.

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01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point that I kind

1185
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: of was raised with the mindset that if you like,

1186
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: cobbies were not great, they weren't very productive. They were

1187
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 1: almost like they're kind of inferior people with hobbies that

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01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 1: sort of first of all, we wouldn't call him craft.

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01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: We call it what you're doing. What you're describing a

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01:16:53,880 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: craft as a craft, we would describe it as you know. Um,

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01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: So there was almost it was kind of an imbalanced

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01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: because work and productivity was such a highly valuable thing

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01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: that that would be the thing. But that's that's really

1194
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: wrong and imbalanced. And I think that when you want

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01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: of the real values that we've wanted in part to

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01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,719
Speaker 1: our kids is not that you're, you know, just always

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01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: doing stuff for no purpose than than just to have hobbies,

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01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: but that you build a craft because the craft builds you,

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01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: and the craft as a tool to actually construct a

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01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:32,839
Speaker 1: whole lot of other things. So we've been real comfortable

1201
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: with our kids really getting into whether it be hunting

1202
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 1: or our sports or things like that, because we realize

1203
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: that it's in life, it's in the doing, it's in

1204
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: the living where all these other things can be shaped,

1205
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 1: and we can't compartmentalize and say, well, these things get

1206
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: shaped over here, but not over here. And so I

1207
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 1: think that's that's a really good point to that you

1208
01:17:53,760 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: just made their nuke. I think I think I've heard

1209
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: you talk about that, misty in terms of like I

1210
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 1: came from more of a background and a childhood of

1211
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 1: like video games, television and riding my bicycle to work.

1212
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about just the nature of young

1213
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: men specifically, but I'm sure in humanity not limited to

1214
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: young men learning to overcome something versus the current culture

1215
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 1: which video games is an easy way provides an opportunity

1216
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 1: for you to feel like you have master to craft

1217
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 1: or overcome an obstacle, but in reality, you have not.

1218
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 1: It is a simulated experience and seeing the correlation more

1219
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: deeply of what it takes to build a lifestyle of

1220
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: mastering and craft or overcoming an obstacle. That's been a

1221
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: transition of my life as well. And I appreciate the

1222
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: things that you guys are saying about. It makes a

1223
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: lot more senses. Yeah. Closing thoughts throw Um David throw

1224
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 1: was influenced by Daniel Bone and one of my favorite

1225
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 1: quotes of his was all good things are wild and free.

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01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's says of love to me velvet pipes

1227
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 1: with a microp. I love that section so much. Yeah,

1228
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:12,759
Speaker 1: very good, very good. Yeah. Dan, that guys like Thorow

1229
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 1: would look to somebody like Daniel Boone and not Thomas Jefferson,

1230
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: I think, says a Toime. I'm certainly. I'm sure Thomas

1231
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 1: Jefferson had an impact on j But you know what

1232
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's great influence, you know, Jonathan. Closing thoughts.

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Speaker 1: A question is my closing thought? What is the gauntlet?

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01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: When Daniel Boone was taken captive and he said, listen,

1235
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: I'll turn over my men. I haven't surrender as long

1236
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: as you promised not to kill us or make us

1237
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: run the gauntlet? What's I don't let me speak for

1238
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: those people on this podcast. No, because you know you're

1239
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: gonna have to run. I wrote a paper in college

1240
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: called the Education Gauntlet. I wish I would find it.

1241
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: They'd probably put it in like New York Times, And

1242
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: basically it was my assessment of my college education. When

1243
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: I get to the end, there's not a ton of value,

1244
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: but I have just proved that I can take it

1245
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: in the face. For like five years. That was my

1246
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,759
Speaker 1: initial thought of I haven't told you what the gauntlet

1247
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: is yet. There's a build up. Now that I'm older,

1248
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 1: I realized that that was really formative in my development

1249
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,759
Speaker 1: was going through college. The gauntlet is when they would

1250
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 1: line up on they would like have like twenty people

1251
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,759
Speaker 1: facing twenty people and leave like a five foot span

1252
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: and everybody would have clubs and rocks and sticks and dirt,

1253
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 1: and a guy would have to run through the center,

1254
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: like you know, and they would just pummel him. I mean,

1255
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 1: I know it from a football context, but I didn't

1256
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: realize that that was a that was an ancient common

1257
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean, Boon knew it enough that he was like

1258
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: all surrender all these guys as long as you promised

1259
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 1: not to make them run the Gauntlet. And do you

1260
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 1: know what old Blackfish did is Blackfish took all the

1261
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 1: guys and then when they got them back to camp,

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01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 1: they started forming a gauntlet line. And Boone said, you

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01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: said we weren't gonna have to run the Gauntlet, and

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Speaker 1: he said, Blackfish said, I said they wouldn't have to

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01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,919
Speaker 1: run the Gauntlet. He said, I never said you wouldn't

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01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 1: for real here, I mean really like there there was

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01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: something cultural but running the Gauntlet that I mean Blackfish like,

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01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: I think you really loved Boone and but he was

1269
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:52,680
Speaker 1: just like, bro, I'm sorry, there's no way out. And

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01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: and Boone made uh a spectacle of them. He ran in.

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01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 1: I can't remember the details. He ran the Gauntlet multiple

1272
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,719
Speaker 1: times in his life. I mean, this is not a movie.

1273
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 1: This is a man. This would be like me or

1274
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 1: you sitting here going yeah, man, when when I was

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01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 1: down there, they kidnapped me and for four months and

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01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: ran the Gauntlet and some of the most fierce people

1277
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: in the Gauntlet where the women, they were just like hostile.

1278
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 1: And what he did is he he faked one way

1279
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 1: like he ran and this is why. I remember he

1280
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: faked one way and then turned and smacked over a

1281
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: bunch of women and and it through the whole thing

1282
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 1: umble and he made it through like with minimal whooping.

1283
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 1: What's the what was the value? Like if you could

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01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: get through and not be knocked out somehow? It was?

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01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,799
Speaker 1: It was it was just what they did to their

1286
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: their captors. So you've done wrong and this is the

1287
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 1: part of the price you But after he ran it,

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01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,600
Speaker 1: he was respected. They were like a good job. That

1289
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: was pretty good man. Closing thoughts, Malachi, Yeah, you know,

1290
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: as you were talking about like having to see at

1291
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:11,440
Speaker 1: the table, I think and listening to the three podcasts,

1292
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 1: I think what what comes to mind is the power

1293
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:20,480
Speaker 1: of articulation and also the power of invitation, of articulating

1294
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 1: your stories and inviting non quote unquote non woodsman to

1295
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 1: partake of that, how powerful that is. And as a

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01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: non woodsman, I think our response is the power of

1297
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 1: not assuming and the power of trying trying it because

1298
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: recognizing how much you learn just from not assuming and

1299
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: trying something different, um, how much how much life that

1300
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 1: brings to you. And I think that's how you can

1301
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 1: get to see at the table and that's how you

1302
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: open up a seat at the table. So I think

1303
01:23:55,320 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: those we consider you a pre woodsman. You're not a

1304
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,799
Speaker 1: non woodsman. You just don't know what you guys Hunter's

1305
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 1: license two years in a row. Respect all right, Well, hey,

1306
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 1: no more, no more Boon podcast unless we come back

1307
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: for part two. Dang, and we could always die back in.

1308
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm already researching another character that I'm probably gonna do

1309
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,639
Speaker 1: at some point, Dolly Parton. I would like Dolly Parton

1310
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 1: on this Burger's podcast. Anybody knows or let her know,

1311
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 1: bring her to the Render. Yep, she could definitely do

1312
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: the live music. Yeah, I was disappointed. I thought the

1313
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 1: Render had live music. Man, I was ready to hear

1314
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 1: another door. I'm sorry, Yes I do. Let's experience it.

1315
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 1: It is so good. This will be your last. I

1316
01:24:54,760 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 1: knew I was the contest when this time, Mr Really

1317
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't like the song It's Missy's birthday, don't play Okay, okay,

1318
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 1: so listen to this song. This song is a spoof.

1319
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: It's a spoof. You realize it's a joke. Okay, So

1320
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 1: it's and if you remember when I got on that

1321
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:26,759
Speaker 1: dozer that first day and I came back to the render.

1322
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: I've been on the dozer. Everybody was like, play is different,

1323
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: little bit peppy. He'd been intoxicated with power. Okay, do

1324
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 1: you remember that? So you need to have that in

1325
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 1: your mind. It's an inside joke, okay. The second thing

1326
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: was it was I made some some we made some

1327
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: commentary about the cat dozer, okay, and we talked about

1328
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: it being a black cat. Okay, are we ready? We're ready.

1329
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: We're called up. Love you. He was riding a cat

1330
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: dozer on the mountains south of town. He was pushing

1331
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 1: them trees over and the rocks that tumble down. She

1332
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 1: was back home, praying that a bore would settle down.

1333
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 1: Deep down, she knew he'd probably never come back around.

1334
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 1: Big black cat, don't take my soul away from me.

1335
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: Unbridled power can't change me into the fees like that

1336
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 1: deesel rumbles, those big pines hit the ground, that sand

1337
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 1: rock tumble. That's a girl again. The brown only wanted

1338
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: was the place to settle down in the mountains with

1339
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: a view and a glow and fire on the ground.

1340
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: Big cat, don't take my soul away from me. Unbridled

1341
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: power can't change me into a fees like long Live

1342
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:48,639
Speaker 1: the Black Pamper in Mesy. He'll take your soul, your

1343
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 1: body and mine, big black cat, don't take my soul.

1344
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: Ohay from me. I'm sorry, you st dog. That's awesome,

1345
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 1: that's amazing. I'll be downloading and on Spotify or wherever

1346
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:27,640
Speaker 1: you get you balance just right down, No that uh

1347
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 1: a little bit, A little bit