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Speaker 1: Revere, Revere dalks. Look at us now, tip to tip.

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Speaker 1: This is our lives, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat back like a bad habit on

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Speaker 2: this uh or Wednesday, June eighth, I don't even know

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Speaker 2: what day it is. Oh, I'm the worst human in America. Hi, everyone,

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Speaker 2: it is time for Morning Combat. It is the best

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Speaker 2: damn podcast period or whatever it is. BC says, I

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Speaker 2: am nearly one half of your hosting due. My name

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Speaker 2: is Luke Thomas. I've joined it from the capital of

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Speaker 2: a status, Needles right here in Washington, DC, joined by

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Speaker 2: the Viceroy of Connecticut himself, who, by the way, depending

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Speaker 2: on how Saturday goes, could reclaim the title of King

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Speaker 2: of Connecticut. I don't know if he wants it or not,

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Speaker 2: because it would mean that Glover lost. But either way,

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Speaker 2: we have a lot to get to today. It's Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 2: what's up, BC? How you doing?

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Speaker 3: Bro? Luke fired up as always to be the sauce

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Speaker 3: on top of your uh your meat there, But we

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Speaker 3: are we are a duo like no other, and I

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Speaker 3: think that's why people tune in, Luke. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: did you see Mike Boone interviewing you want inside our

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Speaker 3: hotel room? Is he trying to take everything I've worked for?

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Speaker 3: What is going on right now?

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Speaker 2: What is it you have worked for that he is ostensibly?

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, expect a great show, Lucia. All right, let's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we are going to get to not so much

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Speaker 2: Mike Bond's interview, but we will talk about UFC two

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Speaker 2: seventy five storylines today. We have some fight announcements. We

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Speaker 2: was yesterday morning in Tokyo. Pretty ridiculous contest. That one was,

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Speaker 2: plus a whole lot more fan subs, you know the drill.

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Speaker 2: Of course, if you're watching on YouTube, thumbs up on

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Speaker 2: the video, hit subscribe. If you're listening on a podcast platform,

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Speaker 2: please give us a nice review. We always appreciate that

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Speaker 2: when you do BC, when are you going back out

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Speaker 2: for showbox, Because whenever you do that, the folks here

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Speaker 2: get showtimed for thirty days free, which you can get

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Speaker 2: dory what's the story there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Friday night, you're gonna want to tune into Showtime.

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Speaker 3: Why because your boy BC's calling a showbox card. But

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Speaker 3: more importantly, it's a mostly heavyweight card on the grounds

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Speaker 3: that not just one class goes in, but because of COVID,

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Speaker 3: three different classes are going in. We're talking about Mayweather, Klitschko, Hopkins, Codo, Tony.

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Speaker 3: BC call in the action on some heavyweight stuff. You're

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Speaker 3: gonna get the Hall of Famer Al Bernstein as the

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Speaker 3: should be a very good time out, Luke. If you watch,

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Speaker 3: I'd be willing to do that Doug Christie thing to

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Speaker 3: that lets you know that, you know, I may be

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Speaker 2: I don't believe that. But that's okay, Well we're looking forward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Finally, on Armenian Americans today, Luke, did you see

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Speaker 2: All right? Fair enough, BC, I hope you had a

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Speaker 2: good time back getting back to lovely Connecticut on Monday.

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Speaker 3: I'm you know, and an amazing person. Luke. Can't wait

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Speaker 3: You know. You know, both of us have a history

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Speaker 3: with you know, spicy women. It's how we get down, Luke. Okay,

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Speaker 3: And as Brendan shab once told us, spicy just means

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Speaker 3: I just disagree with that line of thinking.

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Speaker 3: also a client, Luke, Is that what you're saying?

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Speaker 2: Probably? Probably that's I mean, you bring him up more

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Speaker 2: We're talking about athletic greens BC. Things you can take

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Speaker 3: Drinking it right now? Luke? And if you know you're

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Speaker 3: taste like it's super healthy. It's kind of a mild

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Speaker 3: It's so easy, but it does so much good for

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Speaker 3: Luckily ag One is doing that for us well.

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Speaker 2: As he mentions one delicious scoop, you get seventy five

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Speaker 2: high quality vitamins and minerals, whole food sourced, superfoods, probiotics,

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Speaker 2: adapt to gens and by the way, BCE, I know

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Speaker 3: No, it is. It makes you feel good, and they say,

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Speaker 3: I mean, on and on. Why not. You know, invest

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Speaker 2: All right, did you got a little pretty yesterday?

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Speaker 3: Got a little bit more to lose here, but I'm

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Speaker 2: On top of that, BC easy to use. I even

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Speaker 2: take it on live stream days. You take it on

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Speaker 3: because it's that easy, Luke.

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Speaker 2: All right. It's lifestyle friendly whether you eat keto, Paleo, vegan,

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Speaker 3: You want to know what I like best about it?

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Speaker 3: The price. It costs less than three dollars a day,

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Speaker 3: So it's investing in your health and yet cheaper than

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Speaker 3: your cold brew habit ticket.

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Speaker 2: Athletic Greens is a small micro habit with big benefits.

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Speaker 2: It's one thing you can do every single day to

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Speaker 3: And I see that look in your eye, Luke, that apprehension.

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Speaker 3: Who else swears by this stuff? Okay, well how about this, Luke.

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Speaker 3: Athletic Greens is over seven thousand and five star reviews

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Speaker 3: I'll say this, Luke, I still really like this main event.

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Speaker 2: And dude, we all have seen it. Not the rebirth

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Speaker 2: I definitely feel like BC, that there's this attitude out

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Speaker 3: To be quotes with you, I think the odds kind

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Speaker 3: are still a lot we don't know about Yuri Prohatska

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's fifty to fifty. I don't

429
00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,400
Speaker 2: know how I see it quite that way. But here's

430
00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,639
Speaker 2: the thing that I can keep coming back to you

431
00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,119
Speaker 2: in terms of storylines be seen. It feeds into your question,

432
00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 2: which is this. I get a lot of people asking me, okay,

433
00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,320
Speaker 2: man like, and we talked about it. I think previously,

434
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,840
Speaker 2: like could Glover beat twenty fifteen era John Jones or DC? Well,

435
00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,240
Speaker 2: I don't know how many light heavyweights in history could

436
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,439
Speaker 2: beat those guys, to be quite honest with you, but

437
00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,640
Speaker 2: there's a sense that like, Okay, Glover got to the belt,

438
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,240
Speaker 2: and that's nice, but he got to the belt because

439
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,640
Speaker 2: there was a power vacuum in the division and now

440
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,560
Speaker 2: you've got a young guy coming up who's just you know,

441
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,679
Speaker 2: marching these guys down. Granted only two fights, but they

442
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,520
Speaker 2: were you know, crazy exciting, and he won violently in

443
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,399
Speaker 2: both cases. That like, this is just a nice little

444
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,680
Speaker 2: prize that we gave to Glover, but the division's gonna

445
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 2: move on without him. As it's quote unquote should when

446
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 2: this new guy gets his hands on him, and I

447
00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 2: have to tell you, like, what does it say if

448
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,880
Speaker 2: Lover actually beats Yerie? What does it say about the division?

449
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,919
Speaker 2: Does it say about him? If he's able to get

450
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 2: this done, which you and I are both agreeing is

451
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 2: hardly a remote possibility. I honestly think people believe that

452
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 2: this is just We're going to turn the page on

453
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 2: the Glover to share a story and it's going to

454
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,439
Speaker 2: be all YEARI, which of course it could be. It

455
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 2: very well could be. But at the same time, this

456
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:25,719
Speaker 2: presumed sense of inevitability that people keep asking me about,

457
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 2: like this is some kind of accident, I don't think

458
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 2: really speaks to the reality of what is going to

459
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 2: be happening on Saturday.

460
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,919
Speaker 3: I think that's very fair, Luke. I'm getting, you know,

461
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,159
Speaker 3: more fired up as we get closer. And was it

462
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 3: because we did that interview to some degree, yes, I

463
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 3: got to see, you know, the roots and the real

464
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 3: side of who Glover is and in his preparation, his mindset,

465
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 3: all of those reasons, you know, are why he is

466
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,159
Speaker 3: where he is today, and he was able to do that.

467
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 3: He's you know, this isn't a guy who never deserved

468
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 3: to be here, who stumbled into a title late in

469
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 3: his career, and know it's the Cinderella Rocky story, even

470
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 3: though it does kind of feel like a Rocky story

471
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 3: in some ways. But it's incredible that he's in this spot.

472
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's the Brazilian Randy Cooter Luke,

473
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 3: but this does feel good in that regard. But man,

474
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 3: he can win this on Saturday, so I want to see.

475
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,199
Speaker 3: But he also can get the lights turned off pretty quickly,

476
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 3: like he once did against Rumble Johnson in spectacularly bad fashion.

477
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 3: So all will be in play a very exciting main

478
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 3: event here. Anything else you're looking towards into the storyline,

479
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 3: the stakes, what's next? Anything else?

480
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 2: Look yeah for UFC, like what if Prahatschka does win.

481
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not going to say he's hard to promote,

482
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 2: but he's a weirdo. When you think about weird champions,

483
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 2: he's going to be close to the top of that list, actually,

484
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 2: because most of the time guys get up there. And yes,

485
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 2: of course, if you're a champion, you might have a

486
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 2: screw loose. Everybody about how dogged and determined you are

487
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 2: and you know that kind of a thing. But in

488
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 2: terms of just being an all around total eccentric guy,

489
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 2: the UFC doesn't have a whole lot of these. You

490
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 2: can say what you want about Izzy being eccentric, and

491
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: of course, to some extent that's true, but this guy

492
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 2: is on another level beyond that, including into his fight style.

493
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 2: Like Izzy has a very very thoughtful, quo ordinated fight style,

494
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 2: this guy is just a is just the Tasmanian devil.

495
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 2: What do you think UFC would rather have? Would they

496
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 2: rather have an old butt Brazilian champion that they can

497
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: use to market in Brazil or would they rather have

498
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: this young crazy guy out there who is a little

499
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 2: bit hard to put your finger on, but is dynamic,

500
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 2: the fans seem to love him and could be one

501
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 2: hell of a fighter as well.

502
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'd go with the ladder Luke. I

503
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 3: think they'd want the crazy knockout guy. You know what,

504
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 3: year he represents as sort of a character, he's like

505
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 3: a you know, he's like a ninja in a movie.

506
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 3: I mean like, there's just like something uniquely odd and weird.

507
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's marketable, even if he doesn't come from

508
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 3: the States and isn't a big trash talker. I mean,

509
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 3: he got the ridiculous hair. He's actually a very fun interview.

510
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 3: I really enjoy talking to him ahead of the Rayis fight.

511
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, Luke, I think they would want the ladder,

512
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 3: and I don't know if Glover's ready to give that away.

513
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 3: So you know, nothing like, hey, go travel to Singapore

514
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 3: for your first title defense. This is not going to

515
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 3: be easy. Yea, there's nothing easy about this across the

516
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: board for Glover. But he does seem to you know,

517
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 3: other guys in his spot, you'd go, oh man, they're old,

518
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 3: they're vulnerable. I don't look at him as that vulnerable, Luke,

519
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 3: Like I understand Parhatska canuck anyone out. I don't actually

520
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 3: look at to share it as having you know, even

521
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 3: with the age and all that during ability issues, I

522
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 3: don't think he's a guy who makes big mistakes. I

523
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 3: really look at him as a as as solid, an

524
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 3: old still viable fighter as really we've ever seen.

525
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's true. He doesn't quite eat to

526
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 2: your point. I don't know if he's you know, Randy

527
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: Coutoor two point zero, because Randy also got started a

528
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 2: little bit later and took breaks in his career in

529
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: ways that Glover really never.

530
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 3: Did you know pre you pre Usada too, Luke.

531
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: Yep, certainly that's true as well. But the point I

532
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: wanted to make about Glover is, I mean, just think

533
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: about this, b See what is the headline about Glover

534
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 2: if he goes in there and takes down Prahaschka and

535
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 2: chokes him from the back. What is the headline on

536
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: the Sunday or the Monday Show? What are we going

537
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: to say be saying about him? Because because again we

538
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: go back to the same sort of thing about like, well,

539
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: the people are just ready to move on from him,

540
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 2: but what would he prove in your if he actually

541
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 2: beats a guy this dynamic, this interesting, this kind of

542
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: crazy and does it with like that not meeting potatoes

543
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: as in limited but meeting potatoes as in quite fundamental game.

544
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: I mean it's sort of like a new school school

545
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: game versus an old school game as well.

546
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think to some degree people start looking

547
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 3: at him and go, okay, like how did you do

548
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 3: this right? And one thing we learned from talking to

549
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 3: him is it's like he never stopped trying to be

550
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 3: his very best. He never got two down after losses.

551
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 3: I mean got I mean, dude, seriously, he got knocked

552
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 3: out by Rumble in the way that some guys go, Okay,

553
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 3: I'm done at this level, like I'm packing it up now.

554
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 3: He just kind of never stopped and never had the

555
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 3: injury that keeps him out for two years or the

556
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 3: you know whatever. But I almost don't want to say this, Luke,

557
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 3: but I'm a little bit more nervous about what people

558
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 3: would be saying negatively if that happened. Do you think

559
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 3: there's any and look, I don't know if it's real

560
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 3: this who has the better tool of five division debate

561
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 3: belatour with that Great Tournament or UFC. Some people think

562
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 3: it's a non issue. Some people go, no, dude, Corey

563
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: Anderson's coming on, and Vadem Nemkoff is solid and bait

564
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 3: A's still around. Do you think if Glover does to

565
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: Yearie what he did to Yon, that suddenly the narrative goes, oh, well,

566
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: you know, luckily Glover got into this division after John

567
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 3: Jones left, because that's the only chance you had been

568
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 3: able to do this. I hope that wouldn't be the result.

569
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 2: I tend to think it already is, but I actually

570
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: feel like he can't undo all of that. I mean, listen,

571
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 2: there is something to be said for the fact that

572
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 2: Prime Gustison doesn't exist anymore, and DC and John are

573
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: out of the division. Lcdc's retired, in John's ostensibly moving

574
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: to heavyweight. Like at some level he can't escape that.

575
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: No future champion really could. But I will say that,

576
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: like again, I just get this real clear sense from

577
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 2: folks that like they kind of like they respect Glover.

578
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: They no one dislikes Glover, but that they feel like, Okay,

579
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: you got your little prize at the fair, and now

580
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: let's move on to the next. I think if he

581
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: beats Prohachka, it doesn't change the narrative that, well, you

582
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: don't live in the John Jones era anymore, in part

583
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: because they already lost to John Jones over five rounds

584
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 2: quite cleanly. But I do think it would dial it

585
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: back a little bit and say, well, I mean, listen

586
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 2: to the run he would be on if he beat Prohotchka,

587
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: and of course Prochka can knock himut in thirty seconds,

588
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: but the run he hasn't lost since twenty eighteen. The

589
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: run would be Carl Roberson Ion, kute Laba, Nikita Krilov,

590
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: Anthony Smith, Tiago Santos and jan Belhovich, and Smith, Santos

591
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: and Belhovich. You could argue with the three most difficult ones.

592
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 2: He finished all three. The only one he had a

593
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: tough fight w was with Krilov back in twenty nineteen.

594
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: He also finished kute Laba and Roberson. You go in

595
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: there and you finish a guy like Prahatchka on that run, dude,

596
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 2: is that the John Jones run? No, it's not the

597
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: John Jones run. That's a highly commendable run to get

598
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: if you can pull it off.

599
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's absolutely Uh, that's absolutely that. And you know,

600
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know, Luke, you think there's any

601
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 3: chance that John goes to heavyweight and it doesn't work

602
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: out and he comes back down to two of five

603
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 3: right away?

604
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: Like dyes, you do? Yes? Like again, my whole view,

605
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: my whole view on John at hevyweight, And tell me

606
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 2: if you agree this. I don't know what's gonna happen.

607
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 2: All of us think we know what's gonna happen. I

608
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 2: don't know. John has extremely high fight IQ, He's got

609
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 2: a great team around him and I've talked about this before.

610
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 2: The guy who's helping him bulk up is Stan Efferdein

611
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 2: the Rhino. I have enormous respect for Stan Efferdein. I

612
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: take everything he says quite seriously, So Luke so So, Look,

613
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 2: John has good people around him. We know what kind

614
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: of athlete he is, we know what he's done. But

615
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: like he was declining at light heavyweight before he moved on,

616
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: his timing was perfect. I thought Ray has beat him

617
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 2: quite cleanly, and he's been off for what three years,

618
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 2: and he's now much older. There's plenty of reason to

619
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 2: have optimism for it. The only thing I caution against

620
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: is this automatic idea that the John Jones you have

621
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: in mind from light heavyweight will just exist at heavyweight.

622
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: That to me is not something I'm ready to to

623
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: accept right away without some visual evidence of it. And

624
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: in fact, I think at least some discretion in that

625
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 2: favor or that way, that just in that in that

626
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: uh and that consideration is warranted.

627
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think absence has made the heart grow so

628
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: less fonder because I was that guy at that point,

629
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: even with the close fights against Mahead and Reyes saying, oh,

630
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: don't worry you know this is the perfect time for

631
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: John to go to heavy and you know his IQ length,

632
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: boxing ability, speed advantages, and the wrestling in his back pocket.

633
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, also he kicks like most heavyweight Stone as well,

634
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: is just going to automatically let him become the two

635
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 3: division champion. I always knew he would be and cement

636
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: the goat debate rather than being in a spot where

637
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: most think he is. But hey, you still got some

638
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: Habib fans, you still got some GSP fans, you still

639
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 3: got some whatever. But it's crazy how much seeing Gone

640
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, seeing and Ghanu go full bloom as a

641
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 3: heavyweight doing things I didn't imagine now seeing Gone as

642
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 3: sort of you know, the next generation's heavyweight mixed with

643
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: just not seeing John. And when we do see John

644
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: it's you know, public negotiation battles or texting that lady.

645
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Luke, you know what I mean.

646
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: I'm with you, and hey, I keep going back to it.

647
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 2: The dude has been arrested two times in two years

648
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: that we even know of, ye, you know, and for

649
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: fairly serious things, to be quite honest, like what is

650
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: that doing to his focus or training? More abilities? Again,

651
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: all I'm I'm saying, is this presumed idea that John's

652
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: going to take over a heavyweight? He might. He absolutely

653
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: might would, and if he did, he'd be like, yeah,

654
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: that's John Jones. But if he doesn't, you should also

655
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: be like, well, there were all these warning signs beforehand,

656
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: and I think having a little bit of caution about

657
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: that is important. All right.

658
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: I out of one hundred, one hundred percent chance or

659
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: or anything else was zero to one hundred Glover defending

660
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: his light heavyweight title against John Jones in a rematch

661
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: in the next.

662
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 2: Year, I'll put it at like ten percent. I mean,

663
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: I don't think that's very high, but possible, certainly possible if.

664
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: John retires as like a seven time light heavyweight champion.

665
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: But then we've never actually seen him lose. Luke, imagine

666
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: if that's possible.

667
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: I know it'd be like ahbie, but with a much

668
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: longer rain. That's crazy, right.

669
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe a much longer No, that's not that's okay.

670
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: You're in a mood today, all right, let's speak about die.

671
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the comin EVENTBC. Tyler Santo's taken it

672
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: on Valentina Chifchenko. You were discussing how the odds in

673
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: the main event were actually fairly close. Our friends at

674
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: Caesar Sportsbook have for Hotchkin to share at at minus

675
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: two hundred plus one seventy, respectively. Not so much with

676
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: Santos and Schevchenko Chifchenko at a minus six twenty five

677
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: Tyler Santos a plus four fifty. Again, these are odds.

678
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: These are not exactly the truth about how competitive or

679
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: not the bout is. But BC, what does this fight

680
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: do for the Schevchenko legacy assuming she gets a victory.

681
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: Not a whole lot, not nothing negative obviously, but you know, look,

682
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: it's more about the number, meaning this would be her

683
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: seventh title defense and what three years? I mean, you know,

684
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that because apparently I got dead wrong

685
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: rightfully about thinking in my mind that she's fighting three

686
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 3: or four times a year. No, she'll only finds twice

687
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: a year. But she's so consistent on the nose with

688
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: showing up and with absolutely dominating that it didn't It

689
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 3: doesn't really seem at this weight class as of right now.

690
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: Although look, if she can get in a fight with Mishatay,

691
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: would people care more than normal? Of course, But that

692
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: there's anybody that can really challenge her. Androge I thought, well, no,

693
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 3: you know, and let's Tachi on Suarez coming through that

694
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: bullpen fully healthy. I'm not sure. So this is more about,

695
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: in my eyes, just adding one more title defense. I mean, look, Luke,

696
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 3: top of your head, how many people have ever defended

697
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: the UFC titles seven times before? I mean you're already

698
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 3: in Select company, correct, Yeah?

699
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: Three or four at most something like that.

700
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it's basically what you know, Demetrius John

701
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: gsp uh silva. Yeah, okay, there you go. So to me, Luke,

702
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: I really think this is I don't think the last

703
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: fight forever, but the last fight in this division for

704
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: a bit. And what I mean by that is, you know,

705
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: we have Paina in Newness rematching for the bandam Way

706
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: title to close July. And we've seen the comments from Valentino,

707
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: who's forever said I am going to get the third

708
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: fight with with Amanda, you know, when the timing is right,

709
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: and now saying, look, I like the timing to be

710
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: this year. I think if she wins this in Advances,

711
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 3: she goes up to bantamwaight, we get her against the

712
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: winner of that rematch. Either way, you can really hype

713
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: it up, and you know, to the idea of the

714
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: pomp Pound queen trying to become the goat, whether you

715
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: care about that or not. Could that lead to a

716
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: two fight series or you know what if she beat

717
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: Painya and then thought it could lead to different things.

718
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: So as far as this fight meaning much to her overall,

719
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: standing it, you know, it's more of just holding ground.

720
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: She is the pomp Pound number one at the moment.

721
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: She is among the greatest fighters we have ever seen,

722
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: male or female. But I do like this matchup, Luke.

723
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: And even though the odds are what they are, I

724
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: see Tyler Santos as a as what a plus four

725
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: to twenty five or plus four hundred underdog. I go, oh,

726
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: that means she actually has a chance compared to who

727
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: we've seen in what the odds were, Luke, can you

728
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: tell us, I mean, does Tyler Santos really have a chance,

729
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: because you would say, Jennifer Mayah had more success against

730
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: Cheff Tenko than we thought, but it didn't really put

731
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: her in situations where she could win it. So how

732
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: different could Tyler Santos? We forget winning although you know,

733
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: but or maybe not is forget winning in play? Can

734
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: can she win this fight? Luke, what the fuck's gonna happen?

735
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: Bro I mean, here's the problem with all of these

736
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: fights with Schevchenko. And I think you'd agree with this,

737
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: which is it's like when you look at her the

738
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: people who are trying to fight, you know, maybe a

739
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: little less so in the case of Jessica I, but

740
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: certainly in the case of Tyler Santo's dude, the tape

741
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: on her she looks like a great fighter. She can

742
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: wrestle some obviously. I think she's careful in the striking department.

743
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: She can take her time and fight. She knows when

744
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: to press the gas and the break. She's experienced as well,

745
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: not obviously, not as much as Valentina. But like, this

746
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: is what I mean, Like you go down the list,

747
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: you're like, what is she good at? Dude? She's good

748
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: at a lot of things. But this is the question.

749
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: The question is not what is she good at? The

750
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: question is, given what she's good at, what can she

751
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: use there to beat Chefchenko? And the answer is short

752
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: of Schefchenko making a mistake. I don't really know. It's

753
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: not like she's got habib like wrestling where yes, Chefchenko

754
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: is not the best wrestler, but by the way, very

755
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: much underrated. Chifchenko is as an offensive wrestler, and defensive

756
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: wrestling has come a very long way. Plus she minds

757
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: the range so well that it's even hard to get

758
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: your hands on her. Obviously, Jennifer Maya had some success

759
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: in that regard, but not enough. So then you're like, Okay, well,

760
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: that's probably not going to be a real, actual tangible

761
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: way to get victory. What about striking on the inside

762
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: of the outside, And you're like, dude, good luck with

763
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: that shit against Valentina Chefchenko. So it's like, I see

764
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: why the odds are what they are. Santos is a

765
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: good fight, very good fighter, who has hardly anything you

766
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: could say negatively about what is deficient in her game.

767
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: But when you ask, what is that thing that you

768
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: can lord over Valentina Chefchenko, Dude, for the life of me,

769
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: if she doesn't make a mistake or she's not injured,

770
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: I candidly do not know what that would be.

771
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 3: She feels so far ahead of everyone else in terms

772
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: of preparation, experience, technique, you know, the shape she gets

773
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: herself in, always being three four moves ahead of everybody

774
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 3: that you know. Sometimes I talk about it in boxing

775
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 3: that in some of these mythical matchups, in the back

776
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 3: of my mind, I'm favoring the more pure boxer because

777
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, if all else fails, they can win a

778
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: boring fight or try to if they have to. Dude,

779
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: chef Chenko can also win a boring fight quite easily

780
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 3: should she wanted to, And sometimes they end up being

781
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: that way if an opponent doesn't step on the gas.

782
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: But is it gonna be a specialist like I thought

783
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: Andrage could could challenge schif Tanko. I thought she god

784
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 3: to make it a fun fight, right because she's a specialist,

785
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 3: she has an elite one category. Or is it gonna

786
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: be the well rounded fighter on the right night who

787
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: sort of just doesn't make mistakes and then suddenly we

788
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: have a closer fight. Or is it just not possible

789
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: to defeat Valentina Chefchenko at one twenty five, Luke, and

790
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: we just need to wake up, understand that and realize

791
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 3: the real way she's going to stamp that resume is

792
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 3: winning the one thirty five title and facing as many

793
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 3: big names in the higher way classes that she can

794
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: before retiring.

795
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 2: I think it is possible to beat here. I mean,

796
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: I'll save some of the stuff for Friday, and when

797
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: looking at her numbers and sort of getting a sense

798
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: of the lay of the land, but they're pretty commensurate.

799
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: Their numbers are all pretty close together. They're not that

800
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 2: far apart in any kind of way. And now again,

801
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: what they say on paper are given, who they fought,

802
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: and what it means in the cage is a totally

803
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: separate thing. Yes, I do think Chefchenko is beatable, and

804
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: you will say that, Tyler Santos, she is a little

805
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: bit younger. I think she's still I think she's a

806
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: twenty eight, twenty nine something like that, which gives her,

807
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: you know, that space to be in their physical prime

808
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: and probably still getting a little bit better. I would say, Valentine,

809
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: this game is probably for the most part what it's

810
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: going to be. I'm sure she can add things to

811
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: it here and there, but at the core nodo.

812
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: I say no to that. Can I tell you that?

813
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: And I want you to disagree with me if you

814
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 3: believe it. I think she's constantly adding to her game.

815
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: I think she purposely showed off the wrestling against andrage

816
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: to go, Look what else I could do if I

817
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: want to completely own the fight this year.

818
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: You've had that wrestling for a while. That's not new,

819
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. Like, has she sharpened up some

820
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: of her entries? Has she sharpened up some of the finishes,

821
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,959
Speaker 2: some of the ways in which she applies it? Yes,

822
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 2: and those could be hugely impactful. It's not to say

823
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: that like adding a little bit doesn't mean much. But

824
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm trying to say is that core

825
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: portion of her game is already there, and for Santos

826
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: that's largely true as well. I'm just trying to find

827
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: reasons for optimism with Santo's I'll say this, Santos does

828
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: a lot of the same thing Schevchenko does, not so

829
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: much in terms of direct application, but in terms of

830
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: the things she's good at, she's just a little bit

831
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: of a step behind in all of them. She gets

832
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: hit a little bit more, you know, I think her

833
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: I think her takedown defense is slightly better given who

834
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: she's fought, but not, you know, not to the point

835
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: where you think that can make a dramatic impact. She's

836
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: gonna have to go out there, and I really believe this.

837
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: She's gonna either have to make it ugly in some

838
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: kind of way, or you're gonna have I mean, we

839
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: talk about all the time. Trevor Whitman has made this

840
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: point as well. Dude, you really want to see the

841
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: difference between the people who hold belts and the ones

842
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: who don't. Sometimes the talent isn't so much that or

843
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: like what they can do. The question is what do

844
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: they fall back to. And Valentina falls back to a

845
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 2: level of a game that is almost error free. Almost

846
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: error free. Now, that wasn't true the first time she

847
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: fought Amanda Nunez. There's been a couple of the times

848
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: where wasn't exactly true and around, but dude, of late,

849
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: who has made her make mistakes, who has made her

850
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: like turn the wrong way or throw the wrong punch

851
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: or miss the right read very very seldom does that happen.

852
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: To get to a point where you're hoisting her belt,

853
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: you gotta bridge that gap, and I don't really know

854
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: how that's easily done at this point.

855
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: Luke Chefchenko turned thirty four in March. She has like

856
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: a lot of mileage from doing this game martial arts

857
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: in general, she is such a decorated you know history

858
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: before ever coming to the sport. In terms of everything else,

859
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 3: she's accomplished kickboxing, you know muy Thai all that, do

860
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: you But you know, it's not like she's taking a

861
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 3: ton of damage. She's a super super elite. Have you

862
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 3: seen any evidence. I mean, I really think she's getting

863
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: better every fight. I don't see any slowdown. Meaning if

864
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 3: she wants to keep doing this for a really long

865
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: time and just put you know, to the idea of

866
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: going after records and saying, okay, if I can't find

867
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: if I can't fight all these huge names because they're

868
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: not here or they're not at my weight, you know what,

869
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 3: if I finish with fifteen title defenses, I mean, I

870
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 3: think that she has shown the consistency and the dedication

871
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: that that is also certainly in play. Like look, if

872
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: I asked you to get really honest with me. In

873
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 3: five years from now, on this day, June eighth, the

874
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 3: year Luke will be twenty twenty seven, and I say, oh, Luke,

875
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 3: Remember we used to do that show Morning Combat two thousand,

876
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: real fun. Sorry, sorry that I got us fired. But

877
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: who's the female goat right now? By the way, Oh,

878
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 3: house Tell's two keys she's like, you know, eight now,

879
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 3: probably right, but who's the female goat? You know it's

880
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: going to be Valentino by then.

881
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that's a separate debate that you seem

882
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: intense and intent on having every single time we do

883
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: this show. I don't know what the answer to that is.

884
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: By the way, at thirty four years of age, though,

885
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: to the point that you raise, yeah, she does have

886
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: a lot of time competing, that's true, but dude, she

887
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: takes impeccable care of herself and doesn't seem to take

888
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: a lot of damage in these fights. So I'm sure

889
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 2: the training is hard, but she lives that training twenty

890
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: four to seven, three sixty five, you know. And by

891
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: the way, also she'd be noted like it wasn't like

892
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: it resulted in some dramatic change of her popular fortunes.

893
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: But she has done movies and other stuff and it

894
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: didn't disrupt her training, it didn't disrupt her ability to win,

895
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: It didn't disrupt anything. This is what I mean, Like,

896
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: she has a lot of high level ability, But the

897
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 2: real thing that stands out to me is the game

898
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: is so well executed without a huge margin for error.

899
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,479
Speaker 2: Short of producing that from her, I candidly just don't

900
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: know what the real option there is. I will say

901
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: this though, be s If Santos does win, which we

902
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: both agree is improbable but certainly possible, what does that

903
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: do to your narrative of the goat? What does that

904
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: do to all of their plans? Because we know Misha

905
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: Tate's gonna be at one twenty five against Laura Murphy

906
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: at UFC two seventy six, by the way, what does

907
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: it do to everything? If somehow Santos is able to

908
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: do the not the impossible here, but at least what

909
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: most people consider to be the unlikely.

910
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would certainly water down the need to continue

911
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 3: to do things like goats the conversations to fill podcast times,

912
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 3: which people already think are sometimes ridiculous in all opinion

913
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 3: based on it's right, I mean, but it's also how

914
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: we sort of identify who is the best we've ever seen.

915
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: It's tough when someone's active and they're already called the goat,

916
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 3: because then every time they win or lose, it's like

917
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: did the goat ship change hands? Who cares? I mean, look,

918
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: the same thing happened when Pania lost to or when

919
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: Nunas lost to Pania, and it was sort of like, oh,

920
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 3: what do we do now? Same thing happened when Amanda

921
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 3: beat Cyborg, but it is kind of fun. It would

922
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: show you that Valentina is human. Tyler Stantos is coming

923
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 3: on and is a very good fighter and would almost certainly,

924
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 3: you know, require an immediate rematch. But you know, Luke,

925
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 3: I'm more interested in topics like how surprised would you

926
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: be because you know, the Buffer brothers Michael and and Bruce,

927
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 3: they didn't know they were related until they were like

928
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: in their twenties and thirties. What if we found out,

929
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: like next month that there's a third Chefchenko sibling, an

930
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: older brother. You know, he's not a fighter, but he's

931
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: an award winning broadcaster in many ways. And it was me.

932
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 3: I was that third Chefchenko sibling that was you know,

933
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: giving up to adoption and sent to the States because

934
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 3: you know, the family wasn't yet for children. You know

935
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: what I mean. I mean, short of instantly deleting my

936
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: search history in a Luke and Lea type of weird way,

937
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: your response.

938
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: Would be, it'd be like Danny DeVito and twins. They

939
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: would be Schwarzenegger and you would be DeVito. They got

940
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: all the good stuff, you got all the genetic leftover crap.

941
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 3: All right. Oh look do you know that Valentina is

942
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: a spokesperson for Inca Cola and South America.

943
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? You ever had it? It's good.

944
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 3: I buy it. There's one grocery store in my town

945
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: that sells it. It's from what is it from Peru

946
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 3: or somewhere around there, and it's it kind of looks

947
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: like like r Kelly would love it. It's like that

948
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: golden champagne. Look, but Luke, it's really good as like

949
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 3: a Cola alternative.

950
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: So INCA is from Peru. There used to be back when,

951
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: like in the about ten or fifteen more than ten,

952
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 2: about fifteen years ago, there was one of the early

953
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: sort of major promotions in South America was Inca FC,

954
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: which was out of Peru. I don't even know if

955
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: they're still around and they still do shows or whatever

956
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: the case. But obviously you can imagine between Peru and

957
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: their history and then sort of the Inca civilization, there's

958
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: a lot of crossover there. But Inca Cola back before

959
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: LFA was RFA, before they merged in one half of

960
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: it was RFA. RFA was had the in ring sponsor

961
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: from Inca Cola. It's awesome. It's really good.

962
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's really good. Luke. I'm looking at Chefchenko's

963
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: recent betting odds history at the moment, if if Tyler

964
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 3: Santo stays as a plus four hundred underdog in terms

965
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: of the title defenses, that would be the closest anyone's been.

966
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 3: Everybody else closed that plus seven hundred, plus eight fifty

967
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: and even more. Joanna was only plus two fifty as

968
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: an underdog when she when Chefchenko won the vacant title.

969
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: But since moving to this division, you know this, this

970
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 3: is as close as we see if somebody having a

971
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: chance to do this. So we'll find out what happens.

972
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it. And Luke, you know there's

973
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 3: also that other fight, the People's main event, as.

974
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: Some kind of get to it and jcheck b see

975
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: this is I'm not gonna say I hate this fight

976
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: because I don't. I actually really like it, but I

977
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: am I've got a weird feeling about it, and I

978
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: don't know what. Okay, let me just say this number one,

979
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: their first fight, in my judgment, one of the best

980
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: fights ever, easily the best women's fight of all time,

981
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: I don't even know what would be a close second,

982
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: to be quite honest with that was just incredible and

983
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: cards on the table. I've set it before, I'll say

984
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: it again. I thought you and Jcheck won. Now, granted,

985
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: granted it was crazy close. You can't be upset that

986
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 2: Jong Wi Lee won. There's obviously a very strong case

987
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: for her as well, fair enough, but I did think

988
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: that Yo Wanna got it. However, However, However, while I

989
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: am glad that she took off all the time that

990
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: she did, because that was a fucking beating that they

991
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: both took. But look, you know this as well as

992
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: I do. Everyone saw it, dude, Yo Wanna was disfigured

993
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: from this fight, man Like I was actually worried about

994
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: her future in fighting, so she took a lot of

995
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: time off. She's bringing in Colebo Kavid. She's being like

996
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: an ambassador and an elder statesman in the sport. But

997
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: this is a tough fight to come back to Jean

998
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: why Lee had a tough rebound initially, but she got

999
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: I think her her feet under her, even though she

1000
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: lost her against Rose in the rematch, but she put

1001
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: up a very very strong effort. Are you where are

1002
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: you on this fight? I'm excited for it, but I

1003
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: gotta be honest, I'm a little nervous about what it

1004
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: might reveal.

1005
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: I think this fight should be three rounds in the end.

1006
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 3: Even a couple of weeks ago, I got excited about

1007
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 3: the idea of it being five. As a non title

1008
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 3: it should be three rounds to condense the potential danger

1009
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: and damage. Although who knows, you know, we can certainly

1010
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: we can't overlook the idea that this could be a slower,

1011
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 3: more strategic fight, especially considering what I saw Waylee do

1012
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: in the Rose rematch, which was bringing wrestling with Henry

1013
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: su Hudo. But that aside, Luke, I think Dana White

1014
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 3: saying this would be a number one contender fight more

1015
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: or less, it brought me back to where I needed

1016
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 3: to be. There's real stakes in this fight. This isn't

1017
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: just you know, two older names and former champions. I'm

1018
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 3: not saying that's where they're both at in terms of stock,

1019
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't think you can classify it as, oh,

1020
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: we're only doing this because they have that history. No, Luke,

1021
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 3: you put the title shot in the line here. I mean,

1022
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 3: you know you would would would would both deserve it

1023
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 3: based on a win. I mean, you can argue that,

1024
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 3: but you're gonna make a huge fight, you know, against

1025
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: aspar As regardless. What I'm stuck on in terms of

1026
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: storylines and how I look at this is I'm not

1027
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 3: sure like who's in the better form at the moment

1028
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: because Yo Wanna hasn't fought since that fight two plus,

1029
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 3: you know, two years. But Luke Jen take on damage.

1030
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: She seems to have been traveling the world working on

1031
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: her brand, being a smokesperson, doing a lot of different

1032
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 3: business ventures, and seems to be thriving and happy and

1033
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: and purposely kept herself out until the right fight showed up.

1034
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: She didn't want to fight you know, contenders on the

1035
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 3: come up, and she got it. Is it better to

1036
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 3: be Youanna or b Wayley, who is two years younger

1037
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 3: but does have two more pro fights in her career

1038
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 3: had two fights since they fought, including one head kick

1039
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 3: knockout in round one. I'm not really sure because I

1040
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 3: do feel like when they entered their first fight, you know,

1041
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 3: I felt like Yo Wanna had more tread on the tire,

1042
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: and when you compare what we think they're punch power

1043
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 3: to be, given that that fight was fought on even terms.

1044
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 3: You're sort of like, oh, man, I mean look at

1045
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: you want to you know, look at that thing grown

1046
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 3: out of her head. I mean you know that they're

1047
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: both they both will never be the same to a

1048
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: certain degree, but it looked like you want to took

1049
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: on a lot. Do we really have a firm grasp

1050
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: because they're closer in age than you think, they're closer

1051
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: in total fights than you realize. Just how you know

1052
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 3: even their stocks actually are coming into this, Luke, because

1053
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 3: when you look at the betting odds at the moment,

1054
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 3: you haven't read them yet. I'm not saying what you

1055
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: already said. I don't think, I hope not. Damn I

1056
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: fell asleep there. Uh minus won sixty five for Jungway

1057
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: Lee plus one forty for Yuanna. That kind of tells me, Luke,

1058
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 3: that that vegas that you know, the general opinion here

1059
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: is we really don't know who's gonna win or who's

1060
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 3: been better off since that first fight. And I don't

1061
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: want to talk this out of being entertaining because you

1062
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 3: want to say and it will be a you know,

1063
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 3: a war, and you're gonna need surgeons afterwards and all that,

1064
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: and I don't doubt her hunger. She looke whether you

1065
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 3: whatever you want to say about JJ you wanna champion?

1066
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: She goes after it, dude, when it's time. I mean, seriously,

1067
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 3: I don't don't really know who to edge, who's the

1068
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 3: fresher fighter, And I kind of like that if you're

1069
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 3: gonna put something big at Steak, like a title shot,

1070
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: they're both seem to have gone through what they needed

1071
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: to go through to get back to this point, which

1072
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 3: is one went away from a title shot.

1073
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, we'll talk about the title shot thing

1074
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 2: in just a second more because I actually do have

1075
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: some feelings about it, But like to answer the question

1076
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: that you raise, like who is better prepared for this moment,

1077
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: I think the odds speak to where I'm at on

1078
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: this one, which is I don't know, which is why

1079
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: it's super close. I'm gonna lean towards Jong Way Lee

1080
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: because one, even though she lost to Rose, which you know,

1081
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: coming back from that fight against Yohanna was I mean,

1082
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: you were never gonna leave that fight the same person

1083
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: you came into it. It's not gonna be possible. You

1084
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: cannot sacrifice that much of yourself in an athletic contest

1085
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: this difficult and then be the same person afterwards. Just

1086
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 2: no chance. However, we see even though she lost a

1087
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: namba unis in the rematch one, she gave it a

1088
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: very good push. She looked to be like in good shape,

1089
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: like she fought well too getting with Suhuto. It didn't

1090
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: pay dividends for the W in that case, but I

1091
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 2: do think it revitalized her a little bit. I do

1092
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: think it gave her just the push she needed to

1093
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: get back where she was, and so I do think

1094
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 2: she is probably going to be ready for the moment

1095
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: as best as she can be. While I like the

1096
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: time off for Yoana in terms of her health, that's great,

1097
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 2: And I like the time off in a sense of

1098
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: get right, you know, don't come back easier way into it.

1099
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: So it does have both a health consideration and a

1100
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: competition consideration, but it doesn't have the kind of competition

1101
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: consideration about like, Okay, what is she actually capable of? Yes,

1102
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: it's better to take time off an easier way back

1103
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 2: into it after that kind of difficult affair, But that

1104
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: is saying something, but not a whole lot. And so

1105
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to lean slightly towards Jean Wile's preparation. Given

1106
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 2: she's just been grinding a little bit more. That doesn't

1107
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: mean anything in terms of what actually might happen. But

1108
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: I understand why the odds are right exactly where they are.

1109
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 2: Do you have a different sense about tilting the balance

1110
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: maybe in Yohanna's favor if at all slight?

1111
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: No. I think what I'm really saying is the whole

1112
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 3: time that you want to set out the two years

1113
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: and we talked about, you know, when will we see

1114
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: this rematch? Well, we see it. I was sort of thinking,

1115
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 3: you know, that was the last stand for Joanna and

1116
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 3: every every great fighter Luke has one left, but usually

1117
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 3: they have to pour out everything that's left to either

1118
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: just get through it or win it or just look

1119
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 3: good in defeat. Right, But everybody's got one time left,

1120
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 3: like Nondo Donair in the first and the first and

1121
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: New Way fight. We'll get to that shortly. That was

1122
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,959
Speaker 3: that was it. He pulled out the jug one more time.

1123
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 3: But you know, the time off what way Lee has

1124
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: gone through started to kind of even it out. But

1125
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 3: I think when I really look at it with honest

1126
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 3: classes on Luke, I think I've seen way Lee evolve

1127
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: in the two you know, because she had to after

1128
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 3: losing to Rose by a head kick knockout. And you know,

1129
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 3: I do wonder how much has yo Wanna, you know,

1130
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 3: had done the same, Luke. I mean, Luke, Yoanna's ground

1131
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 3: game has never really been overly offensive, right, Is that

1132
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 3: fair to.

1133
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: Say yo Wanna's ground game Yes, yeah, I mean it's

1134
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 2: more defensive in nature, although she does have like for example,

1135
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: against the fence, like Withjessica Panny, that's not the ground game,

1136
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: but like these clinch scenarios where you're kind of more

1137
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: wrestling than you are just sort of standing apart. She

1138
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: was chewing Jessica Penny up in those spaces, so she

1139
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: does have a good clinch as well. I know that's

1140
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: not quite what you're asking, but you.

1141
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 3: Know, I've seen Whaley improve her ground game. I've seen

1142
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what Yo Wanna has done

1143
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 3: in the two years to do that. You know, sometimes

1144
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: when somebody comes back from that, Luke, especially when they've

1145
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 3: been grinded, they could come back and look like a

1146
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: million dollars. They can also come back and you realize

1147
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 3: you lost two years and the evolution of it. That's

1148
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 3: something that I think you gotta put the advantages to

1149
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: Waylee Young right now. Also, Luke, I think Wayey has

1150
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 3: more ways to win the fight. And that kind of

1151
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 3: plays into what I'm saying here with the ground game.

1152
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: It's like, that's fair.

1153
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 3: You know, she's probably a little bit fresher, She's got

1154
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 3: more ways to win this fight. So I am interested

1155
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 3: to see what Yo Wanna's strategy is because if it's

1156
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: balls to the wall as fast as hard as I can,

1157
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 3: just volume, volume, volume, you know, I think this this

1158
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 3: fight's going to be a little bit different. I don't

1159
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 3: think it's going to suck all the entertainment out of it.

1160
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: I just think this fight is gonna be a little

1161
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 3: bit more strategic because look, we've already seen five rounds

1162
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: of trains colliding and we didn't really learn much, meaning

1163
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 3: they both were able to give an take. Some strategic

1164
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 3: change has to calm here, and and you know, does

1165
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: does Jay? You know, big part of the storyline here is,

1166
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 3: you know, does JJ have one more moment in her?

1167
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 2: Luke, do you.

1168
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 3: Believe looking at it, do you believe she could have

1169
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 3: one more You know, we say Connor's got one more

1170
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 3: big win, Does JJ have one more big win in.

1171
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: Her I think I think so. Again, I mean, until

1172
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 2: we really see, it's very very difficult to say, but yeah,

1173
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: I think I think she does. And I'll say this too,

1174
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 2: which is just a really bizarre thing. Dude, imagine if

1175
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: she does win, right, and Diana White said this was

1176
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: at number one contenders fight, whether or not it should

1177
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: be whether or not that makes sense, That's what he said.

1178
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: So that's kind of where we are. If in fact,

1179
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: she does win, and then she rematches Carla from basically

1180
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: the time but she won the title to begin with,

1181
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: kind of this weird full circle moment. She could. It's,

1182
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: you know, we're very much getting ahead of ourselves, but

1183
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: it's at least conceivable in a in a real world

1184
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: kind of way. She could recapture the title in the

1185
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: same way she got it the first time, which would

1186
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: be one of the most dramatic recapturing of the titles.

1187
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, Carlo's was impressive in the sense

1188
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: that there was so much time in between, but the

1189
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: way in which she got it didn't leave a lot

1190
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: of people with warm feelings were better or for worse.

1191
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: But dude, if you want to goes in their wins.

1192
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine she'll win that way. And if

1193
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 2: she recaptured it, Dude, can you imagine what the narrative

1194
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 2: would be on after losing to Jean Wilie, taking two

1195
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 2: plus years off, coming back, beating her in the rematch,

1196
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: then beating Carla, who you beat the first time. I mean,

1197
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: it would be an insane, insane storyline. Mma does that

1198
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: all the time.

1199
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 3: I know. Could you imagine Joanna as champion welcoming Rose

1200
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 3: in a trilogy? You know what I mean? I mean

1201
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 3: that might get Claudia Goodell out of retirement. I know

1202
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 3: she's been wanting to have a grappling match with you it,

1203
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, no, that would be very exciting. But

1204
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 3: I think it'd be hugely exciting for the division because

1205
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 3: you want to there's a ceiling on it, but you

1206
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 3: want us a star and she carries herself like a star,

1207
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 3: and I think that's been a big part of her

1208
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: being able to achieve on the level she has. But Luke,

1209
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, though, do you think

1210
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: it's more likely, Like, like, we all expect a really

1211
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 3: close fight because the first one was, but the rematch

1212
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 3: maybe one person winning, not Let's not say one side

1213
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 3: there dominantly, but much more convincingly. Is it more likely

1214
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 3: that you wanna adds wrinkles to her striking game and

1215
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 3: the cadence and the timing and the fainting and the

1216
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 3: countering and you know, just kind of outclasses Waylee and

1217
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 3: wins the decision. Or is it the other side where

1218
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 3: Waylee brings the wrestling into it, she lands the harder strikes,

1219
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 3: she hurts Ijuana, and you come out of there going wow.

1220
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 3: For one way Lee, you know she's back, She's right.

1221
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: Which one's more likely?

1222
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question. I don't know. That's a

1223
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: great question. I really don't know, dude, I really don't know.

1224
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 2: I will say this, it's something to think about, where

1225
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: what if we actually don't because I think expecting this

1226
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: to give us a lot of answers about what it

1227
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 2: means that you want has been away, But like, what

1228
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: if the fight is not boring but a little slower

1229
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 2: than the first one, which seems improbable. But let's just say,

1230
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: to your point, a change in the tactical strategy where

1231
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: it's a lot more wrestling based, clinching based, that kind

1232
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 2: of a thing, and you'll want to lose is three

1233
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 2: rounds to two, but it's not really some kind of

1234
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: blood and guts affair that the first one was. What

1235
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 2: would you really say that you learned in a situation

1236
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: like that, I don't really know what the answer would be.

1237
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: So in terms of thinking like what this could look like,

1238
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: my hunch is that it's going to look like the

1239
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 2: first one, maybe not quite as crazy or I don't know, dude,

1240
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: I really don't know. I really fucking don't know. I'm

1241
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: trying to give you an answer here, but I'm kind

1242
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: of just looking it up. I candidly have a very

1243
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: I am unsure sense of exactly what to expect between

1244
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,959
Speaker 2: these two in this meeting, even if we've seen twenty

1245
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: five minutes from them before.

1246
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, should we start calling like the Big four

1247
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 3: of these strawwaight queens, because we're gonna look back at

1248
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 3: this era, which really was the higher era of this division,

1249
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 3: in the UFC one fifteen right launching in twenty fourteen,

1250
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 3: in the same players that were there then for the

1251
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 3: most part, are still here, although we're starting to see

1252
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 3: them retire or or fade away. I mean, is it

1253
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 3: the Big Four? I mean, are we gonna look back

1254
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: at the Yohanna Rose Wayley Carla Era. I mean, is

1255
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 3: that is that fair? Or is it more of a

1256
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 3: big three? But that's disrespectful because the spars is a

1257
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 3: two time champion and is your current champion, right.

1258
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I don't. I think you have to

1259
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: put a Sparsa into that mix. I mean I realized

1260
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 2: that her situation is very different. She was kind of forgotten.

1261
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: But the way in which she won and the first

1262
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 2: time and then you know, beating her a second time

1263
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 2: and getting the title shot to begin with was difficult. Yeah,

1264
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: you can't dismiss her. I know what you're saying. She

1265
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: wasn't a transcendent figure in that way where Joang Waili

1266
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 2: beating Jess Gone Roge in China was like this big

1267
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 2: explosive moment. We all know about Rose, we all know

1268
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: about Yohanna. Carla doesn't quite have that, but she is

1269
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 2: relevant virtue of the other accomplishments that she's had. So

1270
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: it's like three and three and a half four, I you.

1271
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 3: Know, and don't forget about Androge. I mean, Androge made

1272
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 3: fun fights with everybody she won the title for a minute,

1273
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, damn, what a great da Luke you know

1274
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 3: what I'm saying that handover, Ohio, get fired up this division.

1275
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 3: It's coming Saturday night. Okay.

1276
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: Also on this card BC, there's a couple other fights

1277
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: very quickly, Hijerio Bontarine taking on Manil cop Mental. Cop

1278
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 2: had a bit of a slow start when he got

1279
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: to the UFC after fighting in Japan, but has been

1280
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: quite good of late. But the one that really has

1281
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: got my attention Jack Dala Medelena out of Australia taking

1282
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 2: on Ramazan and Meve, are you big on Jack Dala Medlena.

1283
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the name is ridiculous, not you know,

1284
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: but uh but yeah, Luke, he looked very good in that.

1285
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 3: In that so he started on the Contender series correct,

1286
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 3: and then he then he had that explosive debut. I

1287
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 3: don't know as much about his opponents, so, Luke, how

1288
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 3: how much of a test as to whether Jack is

1289
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 3: coming on for real? Is this.

1290
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: Fairly?

1291
00:57:59,000 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 3: This is?

1292
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: Madelina should win this. He should win this. I'll put

1293
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 2: it that way. I think it's a it could be

1294
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: a difficult fight for him, but it shouldn't be. He

1295
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,959
Speaker 2: should be He is a phenomenal striker. Granted his last

1296
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: contest was against a short noticed opponent who was very

1297
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 2: much overmatched, so it could get a little bit, you know,

1298
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: dice in between. But he is such a good striker

1299
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: he has he has we talk about all the time,

1300
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 2: like these guys coming up who have a much more

1301
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,959
Speaker 2: modern striking game. Dude, Jack dalea Madlena is at the

1302
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: forefront of these newer, younger guys who have very advanced

1303
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 2: striking games and a clear sense of purpose. For Mma,

1304
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: I expect him to shine here. To be quite candid with.

1305
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 3: You, he seems to happen to the odds. He has

1306
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 3: a swagger that that just tells you what comes you know,

1307
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 3: maybe not future champion, but a guy who believes he's

1308
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: ready to be a future champion. Yeah, Luke, they do

1309
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: have it close up to this point minus won sixty

1310
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 3: for Della Madalena and EMIV plus one thirty five. That's

1311
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: very interesting, Luke. Bon Terrein, by the way, could use

1312
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 3: a big win here. He's oh in three with a

1313
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 3: no contest in his last four, although that no contest

1314
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 3: was originally a decision win for him. He is a

1315
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: fun guy. I mean, dude, every everyone in the top

1316
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 3: seven at Flyway makes really fun fights. But uh this

1317
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 3: would be a this'd be a tough It's tough to

1318
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 3: rebound from this type of streak. If this is another

1319
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 3: another l for him, Luke, you got He's got to

1320
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 3: win this, bro.

1321
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: This is I'm not going to say win or go home,

1322
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 2: because we've seen people with four or five losses come

1323
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 2: back like karently Naokoblekeevich and whatnot. But you know, I

1324
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: don't know if he has the good will that she

1325
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: had to maintain her status in the promotion, he would

1326
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: have to do something more here. He's always kind of

1327
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: in the fights for a little while, but just not

1328
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: enough to get over that hump. By the way, the

1329
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: real big sort of key consideration between Ramazon Emiv and

1330
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: uh Dalea Madelena is going to be I think probably

1331
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: the wrestling. In the striking department, EMIV just has nothing

1332
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: to offer him, or at least not much. But in

1333
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: the striking excuse me, in the wrestling sort of like

1334
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: clinch department, that's where it could get a little bit interesting.

1335
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: So a big test of the other portions of the

1336
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: Australians game to see what else he can do to

1337
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 2: make sure that the striking comes to life, right.

1338
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 3: That's Look, every time I hear his name, I think

1339
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 3: of that Dell, the funky Homo Sapien track from the nineties.

1340
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 3: You know, mister Dabolina, mister Bob Dabelina. I mean I

1341
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 3: had that. I had that single, I had that cassette single.

1342
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 3: Bro okay, I mean I lived that life. Do you

1343
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 3: know what I'm talking about?

1344
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 2: Luke? How many times did you cry at a toad

1345
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 2: the Wet Sprocket concert?

1346
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: I never been, but I did. But you know what

1347
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 3: I bought on vinyl the other day, a John record,

1348
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 3: A single of mc brains had had a great one

1349
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 3: hit wonder in the early nineties of commercial rap called

1350
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 3: h Uchikucci La La La. Remember that one, Luke?

1351
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 2: Do you remember? So? You probably don't know this, because

1352
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: well maybe you do. Do you remember who NAS's brother

1353
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: was or is Do you know the name of NAS's brother?

1354
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 2: He had a couple of hits.

1355
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 3: I don't know who is NAS's brother.

1356
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,439
Speaker 2: Jungle was his name, and uh he had a song

1357
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: called Ucci Wally. Do you remember this?

1358
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 3: No, I don't remember that.

1359
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: You don't remember Ucci Wally?

1360
01:00:59,120 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 3: I remember.

1361
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 2: One or two something like that. Anyway, I was gonna

1362
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 2: bring this up all to say, did you see Rolling

1363
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 2: Stones list of two hundred best hip hop albums? It's

1364
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 2: the worst fucking list ever made.

1365
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 3: No is I just got the new one in the mail.

1366
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 3: Is it in that one?

1367
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 2: I don't not sure. I'm not sure I saw online,

1368
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: so I have no way of knowing, but it's terrible.

1369
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: They have like one of Cardi B's albums over Illmatic,

1370
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 2: which is like, what fucking planet are you even? Like?

1371
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 2: What do you doing? They had it over Doggie Style

1372
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 2: and Illmatic. It's like, Okay, you have no idea, what

1373
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 2: the fuck you're talking about? All right? What enough?

1374
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 3: What do you think for your own history? Is the

1375
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 3: greatest hip hop album of all time?

1376
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 2: Probably Illmatic? Probably?

1377
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 3: Oh, if it's not in your top five, you should

1378
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 3: probably be killed. And then if it's number one, that's

1379
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 3: no problem. Luke, do you dude? I gotta say I

1380
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 3: think the Low End Theory by the Tribe call Quest,

1381
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 3: although I always say everyone alway says Midnight Marauders is better,

1382
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 3: and and you know, and dude, I had them all.

1383
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 3: I know all about that, But dude, the t the

1384
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 3: Low and Theory had that jazz feel that Ron Carter

1385
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 3: in their playing bass like it just was different. Man,

1386
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 3: that thing hit different and then obviously ready to die.

1387
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 3: If that's got to be right there in the top three.

1388
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 2: Reasonable doubt the chronic all of those are you know.

1389
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 3: Oh the chronic dude, the Lauren Hill won he's got

1390
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 3: you know, the mis education.

1391
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 2: Of Lauren Hill. Yeah, that's up there as well. Phenomenal album.

1392
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: Oh that's a little bit more. She mixed genre. She

1393
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: did a lot of singing and stuff. Yeah, I know

1394
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 2: what you're saying. All right, do you get into I

1395
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: could have gone yard another forty second hour. We need

1396
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 2: to move on, Okay. Fight announcements, b see, give me

1397
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 2: your sense of things. Love this one big fight. Actually,

1398
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 2: I feel like at least for one Audreano Moris, who

1399
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 2: is their Flyway champ, which we know means one thirty

1400
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 2: five over there taking on Demetrius Johnson. It'll be on

1401
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 2: the twenty sixth of August. Of course, Johnson losing after

1402
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 2: getting need in the head because they allow it to

1403
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 2: down opponents there, because they actually have a better rule.

1404
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 2: Set your level of excitement for the rematch between Morice

1405
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: and Johnson.

1406
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:57,959
Speaker 3: I think it's the right fight to make. I'm looking

1407
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 3: forward to it. Dude like that. How shall freaking shocking?

1408
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 3: Was it? Not? Just because it was you know, a

1409
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 3: knee in a situation with different rule sets. But I

1410
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 3: did not expect to see Dimitrius Johnson, who had looked

1411
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 3: pretty damn good winning that tournament after coming to one,

1412
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 3: get handled like that. We've not you know what I mean,

1413
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 3: we haven't seen that since he became the flyweight king.

1414
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 3: And and I think it's the right fight to make.

1415
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 3: I think it's a way for Mighty Mouse to you know,

1416
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 3: sometimes you need a arrival. Sometimes you need to take

1417
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 3: that l and and and get people interested, and then

1418
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 3: you get geared back up to where you need to

1419
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 3: be and you figure out a way to get that win.

1420
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 3: If he does, look, it only adds on to everything

1421
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 3: he's created. I mean, he's going to have one of

1422
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 3: those ridiculous fine wine resumes and legacies. Luke that it's already,

1423
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 3: you know, one of the best of all time, and

1424
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 3: some people like me rightfully consider him in that sort

1425
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 3: of top five goat debate as at least an honorable mention.

1426
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 3: But to come back after that, you know, and get

1427
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 3: the win and gets a very tough guy who's a

1428
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 3: lot bigger than them. This would be a good ass win. Look,

1429
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 3: I'm here for it. And and uh, I'm telling you

1430
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 3: you made a joke. You made a comment earlier about

1431
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 3: one diminished returns. They do. Look, it's not by a lot,

1432
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 3: but they do seem to be turning around and coming on.

1433
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 3: Am I wrong? As a promotion? They're coming on? It's slow.

1434
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I do like their product.

1435
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 2: It's not a function of whether I like it or not.

1436
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 2: What kind of waves are they making? I'm skeptical, But.

1437
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 3: Okay, will the US debut be as big as they

1438
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 3: need it to get fans to really care?

1439
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 2: No know, not without some kind of significant signing between

1440
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: now and then. No, all right, BC Dominic Cruz taken

1441
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: on Marlon Vera, targeted for August thirteenth. Now, I did

1442
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 2: see a lot of people being like, oh, you know,

1443
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 2: for example, our boy Grbaca Hitman Couposa was like he

1444
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 2: would rather see Vera fight Sanhagen, and I sort of

1445
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 2: get that, I really do. I understand that, like, hey, dude,

1446
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: Vera has turned into something quite special. You would really

1447
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 2: want to see him tested in some kind of way.

1448
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 2: But the Dominic Cruz want to kind of like do

1449
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: Cruz has managed to stay he has, He's had to

1450
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 2: eke out some wins, but he's done it. He's still

1451
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 2: ranked pretty highly and he has a big name for

1452
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: a guy like Cheeto Vera, who, by the way, has

1453
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: turned into quite the star in his home country in Ecuador,

1454
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: although controversial one or late because of some issues, but dude,

1455
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 2: this would be a big way to boost the brand

1456
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 2: of a guy like Cheeto Vera who has looked I

1457
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 2: mean that last fight he had against Rob font was phenomenal.

1458
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 2: I like this booking.

1459
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 3: Do you this is great matchmaking because there's such a

1460
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 3: plus upside to both, meaning Cheetos seems to be ready

1461
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 3: to take that turn to go to the next level. Luke,

1462
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 3: he's now viciously. I mean he's always been vicious, but

1463
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 3: now he's like viciously stopping guys and fights that we

1464
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 3: think you're gonna be close coming in. Dude, could you

1465
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 3: imagine if he has a finish here of Cruz that's

1466
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 3: on the level of like you know, when Ortega finished

1467
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 3: Frankie Edgar and we're just like, whoa, you know what

1468
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of we're kind of Cruise is

1469
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 3: kind of in that FRANKI Edgar category where it's like,

1470
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 3: you know, you finish him? Wow, okay, even you know,

1471
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 3: but you also there's a dude if he finishes him,

1472
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,919
Speaker 3: that's a major leap forward into the title conversation. Yet

1473
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 3: on the flip side, for thirty seven year old Dominant

1474
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 3: Cruz Luke, who I seem to without any malice, just

1475
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 3: keep trying to retire in all these fights against younger guys,

1476
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 3: yet he's finding a way to retain his skills and

1477
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 3: pull it out and still be relevant and difficult. And dude,

1478
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 3: is am I wrong? If he comes out here and

1479
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 3: upsets Cheeto Vera? Is he like loosely in the title

1480
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 3: conversation again with three wins? Loosely yes, like somebody needs

1481
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 3: to get injured and then they pull dom out of

1482
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 3: the announced booth and he fills in fights with the title. Okay,

1483
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 3: that's remarkable because Luke, if anyone had a style that

1484
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 3: I thought would age very poorly on the elite level,

1485
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 3: where because it's so dependent on timing, movement and a

1486
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 3: lack of power, obviously it was him.

1487
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 2: Luke.

1488
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 3: He's found ways to reinvent to buy some time, But

1489
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 3: is it really by in time when he's beaten the

1490
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 3: kind of names he has lately, I gotta give it

1491
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 3: to him, Luke. I've never been either way on Dom,

1492
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 3: never been a super fan, but I always had a lot

1493
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 3: of respect for him. No, you know, no no issues.

1494
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 3: There's some gratty shit, Luke, because it's almost like when

1495
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 3: Allen Iverson was ripping through defenses and you're like, Okay,

1496
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 3: it's great now, but when he's like thirty three, he's

1497
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 3: probably gonna be out of the league unfortunately with that

1498
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 3: style back then, with the way defense was played and stuff.

1499
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 3: But you know, Luke, Cruise is figuring it out. I mean,

1500
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 3: I don't think you can add power when you know

1501
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 3: he's like he max that out. But uh, I wouldn't

1502
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 3: favor him to win. I don't expect him to win,

1503
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 3: but that'd be a pretty damn great win at this point.

1504
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 2: That'd be a super solid win if you got that.

1505
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 2: I agree, he would completely transform where he thought of

1506
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 2: him about a year ago to where he is now.

1507
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 2: BC Kayla Harrison is going to take on Julia Budd

1508
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 2: at PFL six. I mean, listen, dude, here's my thing

1509
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 2: on this. Tell me if you're if I'm wrong, fine

1510
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 2: fight to make, probably one of the better ones they

1511
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 2: could make in terms of a name opponent who's battle tested.

1512
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 2: She's a great athlete, Julia Budd very good athlete. But

1513
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, and I grant, I grant after Kayla's

1514
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 2: last performance, where she was expected to just run over

1515
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 2: someone she could kind of didn't. There's some intrigue here,

1516
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 2: But in terms of like meaningfully changing the kinds of

1517
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 2: fights that Kayla's getting on this new contract, we're not

1518
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 2: even really close, are we.

1519
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 3: No. I mean they don't have the names. You know,

1520
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 3: this was a name that was still an active, you know,

1521
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,600
Speaker 3: world rank contender at this weight class. I thought it

1522
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 3: was a good signing for PFL. The problem here, Luke,

1523
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 3: is that she lost to jenne Fabian in her PFL debut. No,

1524
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 3: it's not the end of the world, but you know,

1525
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 3: we've seen Kyla Harrison demolished Jennef Fabian, so in that regard,

1526
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 3: it's a little bit watered down. Yet at the same time,

1527
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 3: this is probably the most excited we're going to get

1528
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 3: this season, because there just isn't those names that you

1529
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 3: expect to challenge Kayla, and that's just the reality of

1530
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 3: where it is. She resigned in this case, Luke, because

1531
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 3: it seemed like it was the best offer she had. Yes,

1532
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 3: there's the idea for next year of this pay per

1533
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 3: view thing they want to do, and if it leads

1534
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 3: to Cyborg then maybe you can argue. At the end

1535
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 3: of the day, Luke, it was worth it. And by

1536
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 3: the time Kayla does eventually get to the UFC, hopefully

1537
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 3: for her, it'll be right on time. But you know,

1538
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 3: in terms of physically and all that, but no, you know,

1539
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 3: it's kind of it's going to be. Is what it is?

1540
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 3: Is she destination viewing still knowing how much she has

1541
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 3: the potential of dominant. Yes, and let's not forget she

1542
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 3: didn't dominate in her last fight. She won by a

1543
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 3: wide margin, but it wasn't the same type of just

1544
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 3: physical breakdown that we're used to. So I'll tune in.

1545
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 3: I'm here, But Luke, I already talked to you about

1546
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 3: this fight a couple weeks ago. My sloppy super Bowl

1547
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 3: just got announced and no one seems to care. Can

1548
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 3: I add a fight announcement here?

1549
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 2: We please do it?

1550
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 3: Yes, no date as of yet, but it's making the

1551
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 3: rounds on Instagram. Luke that we're heading toward a Tabitha

1552
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 3: Ricci versus Cheyenne vellistmus women's strawweight. About coming up between

1553
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 3: two rising contenders, I mean does I mean? Look, I mean,

1554
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 3: you know, that's like the IG main event right there

1555
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 3: in terms.

1556
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 2: Of like I'm not laughing because I'm the smirching the fight.

1557
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 2: The fight is actually great. I'm only laughing for how

1558
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 2: like bonerrific that was on your radar.

1559
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 3: No, I I don't need it like that, Luke. I'm

1560
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 3: talking about two contenders in my favorite division, which is

1561
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 3: filled with very you off outs that are coming on.

1562
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 2: So all fair everything, just level with the audience, you creep,

1563
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 2: just level with the audience.

1564
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 3: Will you?

1565
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 2: No, I won't.

1566
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 3: I won't know. I mean, I look, I'm not gonna

1567
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not gonna say things that I don't

1568
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 3: believe in that are true. But get ready for that one, Luke. Yeah,

1569
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 3: you know you know why I think he's gonna win

1570
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 3: that night, Luke, uh me, right me me?

1571
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, last one. I As we talked about this before,

1572
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 2: but now we have a date and a place we

1573
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 2: see Brian or takeou Ya Rodriguez are gonna meet at

1574
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 2: UFC Fight Night July sixteenth, not that far away in

1575
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 2: Long Island. That Long Island card, by the way, looking

1576
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 2: pretty good, that UFC London Fight Night card, and then

1577
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 2: this card right here together. We said it before those

1578
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 2: those Apex shows, Bro, they can just put whatever they

1579
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 2: want on those. I mean, they don't even have to

1580
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,560
Speaker 2: try at all. But when they go back on the

1581
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 2: road a little bit, they kind of seem to be

1582
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 2: trying to put a little bit more of an entertainment

1583
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 2: forward product together. This is a good one.

1584
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 3: This is a really I read you the I read

1585
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 3: you the bouts on this card last Wednesday, Luke. And

1586
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 3: there's a loaded card, which in reality it should be

1587
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 3: for an ABC card, just like the in the past,

1588
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 3: the quarterly UFC on Fox cards were sowed. Damn pay

1589
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 3: per view, you know, quasi worthy. Damn. I love this light,

1590
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 3: I mean separate from this card. Separate. I love the

1591
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 3: afternoon time slot. I love it's in Long Island. I'm

1592
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 3: gonna go to it, Luke, but I think I am

1593
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 3: maybe not. I will find out. But the whole point

1594
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 3: here is, Luke, God, this main events great.

1595
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 2: Let me ask this question. Let me ask this question

1596
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 2: to you. We have the third fight between Max and

1597
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 2: Volk coming up in about a month a little bit less,

1598
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 2: and we have that fight, which would be just two

1599
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 2: weeks later after that one. What do you believe to

1600
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 2: be the UFC's preferred outcome from both of them? Because

1601
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 2: it's in decent likelihood that the winner of Rodriguez and

1602
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 2: Ortega might get a title shot. I mean that may

1603
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 2: be a little bit presumptuous, but probably not. What do

1604
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 2: you think the UFC wants to see from that those

1605
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:55,480
Speaker 2: two pairings?

1606
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 3: I like that you asked that question because I tend

1607
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 3: to like this line of questioning and debate on a

1608
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,600
Speaker 3: pod and others don't. That's fine, but I like to

1609
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 3: get in the heads of the matchmakers, the boss and

1610
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 3: try to say, Okay, you know, from their financial motivations,

1611
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 3: from their ideas of you know, the styles they like

1612
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 3: to put, and would they who do they want to

1613
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 3: win the trilogy? I kind of feel like they still

1614
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 3: want Max Alloway, Luke and and I feel like that

1615
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 3: debate is as close as ever because let's be fair,

1616
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 3: like Volkanowski is at a point now, especially when he's

1617
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 3: adding this intention of going after knockouts where you know

1618
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 3: he's in the pufferpod number one discussion is his star

1619
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 3: power connecting globally. No, But but you know he's he's

1620
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 3: he's showing himself to be a potential all the time. Great.

1621
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 3: But also, Luke, Max's brand is still just bigger and

1622
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 3: more beloved. And imagine this rivalry. If Max comes back

1623
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 3: and wins this, You're gonna You're gonna want and need

1624
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 3: more fights between them. So I think it's better for

1625
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 3: business in that regard. And who could he face? Well,

1626
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,759
Speaker 3: he could really make rematches with both guys or Tega

1627
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 3: and Yahi Rodriguez, and I'd be jazzed up and fired up.

1628
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 3: And all you have to do is play play highlights,

1629
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 3: Luke from that recent fight with Max against Jay Rodriguez,

1630
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 3: and and you could see how badly you would want

1631
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,839
Speaker 3: a rematch of that. So I think if that scenario

1632
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 3: played out with Max Max winning that, I think everybody

1633
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,440
Speaker 3: be happy except for you and Eugene.

1634
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 2: And why would I be unhappy of Max one?

1635
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 3: Because look, you freaking love c KB.

1636
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 2: Dude, Dude, I've covered, Dude, I have spent I have

1637
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 2: spent more time. I have spent more time breaking down

1638
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 2: Max's fights than literally anybody else.

1639
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 3: That is fair. You are an og Max guy. You

1640
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 3: love Poorier, you love Max. I don't mean love in

1641
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 3: the fanboy way. I mean like you just really respect

1642
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 3: and joy.

1643
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,679
Speaker 2: Assively respect his game, dude. And I've said it before,

1644
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 2: you know, I think Max is probably the only guy,

1645
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 2: for the way who has a chance of beating Volkanowski,

1646
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 2: and you just might do it. To answer the question

1647
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 2: I asked you, here's my read on this. What okay,

1648
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 2: you would love to see probably year win if you're

1649
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 2: the UFC, because you've seen Max versus Ortega and it

1650
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 2: was a bloodbath, and you saw Volk versus Taga, which

1651
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 2: was a lot of fun. But in the end, you know,

1652
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 2: it's hard to see how Brian would win a second

1653
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 2: time if you couldn't get it done the first. A

1654
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 2: second fight between Max and Yaira would be dynamite, and

1655
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 2: a first fight think about this, Volkanovski versus Yayar, with

1656
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 2: the way he strikes and doesn't buy into a lot

1657
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 2: of that fainting stuff necessarily, that actually seems to me

1658
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 2: like a much better situation for the UFC, although certainly

1659
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 2: for take A one, he's quite popular, the fans love him.

1660
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 2: They're playing with house money either way, But I do

1661
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 2: think that that the Yayer winning changes the stakes for

1662
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 2: UFC a little bit.

1663
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 3: Do you think you seem pretty confident that Ortega would

1664
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 3: secure another title shot. I'm not saying this isn't a

1665
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 3: top five huge win to put a star back in there,

1666
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 3: but it would be his third chance at the title.

1667
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 3: Wouldn't he need a couple wins? I mean, we even

1668
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 3: saw Robert Whittaker have to win what four really hard

1669
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 3: fights before getting back in there. So let's say, for example,

1670
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 3: let's say Josh Emmitt beats Calvin Cater or it may

1671
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 3: go the other way. Either way, does the winner of

1672
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 3: Cater Emmett a better fight for Ortega if he wins?

1673
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 3: Or Am I going too far down.

1674
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 2: The road here? I mean, here's the thing. It's like

1675
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 2: Josh Emmitt's sitting at seven, Arnold sitting at six, but

1676
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 2: then five is Chan Sung Jong No. I mean that

1677
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 2: that ship is sailed in terms of title shots Calvin Cator,

1678
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 2: but the beating that Max put on him is going

1679
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 2: to be hard to overcome in that sense. And then you're, yeah,

1680
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 2: you're sitting at three, Ortega sitting at two. So the

1681
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 2: point I'm trying to make is, yes, I do think

1682
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 2: there is certainly a lot of life left in Ortega.

1683
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 2: If if certain, if he beats Hiero Rodriguez, then forget it.

1684
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 2: They're gonna boost him back up. But I just think

1685
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 2: in terms of what's accessible and entertaining, and again, to

1686
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 2: have Yaya as a champion potentially, if it came to

1687
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 2: that for the Mexican market, do that'd be huge for them,

1688
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 2: So like obviously or take it would be big in

1689
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 2: that sense as well. But you know, having a yas

1690
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 2: I think a Mexican national would be a little bit

1691
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 2: more advantageous in that way. I don't know. I just

1692
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 2: think I just think all signs point to yes, could

1693
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 2: or take a get it. I do think he could

1694
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 2: by virtue of his placement, and because it's like the

1695
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 2: Tayla Santo situation where they had to go down one, two, three,

1696
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,759
Speaker 2: four and find the fifth person because the other names

1697
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,919
Speaker 2: were just either not they've already lost, it's not interesting.

1698
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 2: Ortega has a lot of fan appeal and beating Yayar

1699
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 2: at number three when he's sitting at number two, it

1700
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 2: would be big. It would be big. I'm not saying

1701
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 2: it would be fair for all the other people that

1702
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 2: want title shots, Emitt Arnold, Allen cateror whoever. But he's

1703
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 2: just got a lot of institutional advantages in that way.

1704
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with you there. I mean nothing

1705
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 3: to explaining about here, Luke. We got great fights coming

1706
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 3: our way. Okay, I'm back, I'm ready, I'm we.

1707
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 2: See topic number three. How about this Noia in a

1708
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 2: Way defeating no Nito Donaire yesterday at the Saitama super Arena,

1709
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 2: home to many great boxing fights, many many important Pride

1710
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 2: fights over the years as well, and pro wrestling too,

1711
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 2: I suppose as well. Yes, probably lots of things that

1712
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 2: happened at the Saitama super Arena either way. Be see,

1713
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 2: let's just pitch this to you, dude. The first fight

1714
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen fight of the Year contender, if not

1715
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 2: outright one of the best fights you've ever seen in

1716
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 2: boxing in a long time. The second one was fun

1717
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,759
Speaker 2: for as long as it lasted, but he got marched

1718
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 2: down Nonito Donair and demolished in this fight. What happened.

1719
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 3: A new way is just that great, And I want

1720
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 3: to remind people ahead of their first fight, it was

1721
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 3: the finals of the WBSS that that World Boxing Super

1722
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 3: Series tournament. It was to unify titles at one eighteen,

1723
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna be fair. We felt like Donair was

1724
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 3: like living off kind of house money. You know. He

1725
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 3: got himself back to a and he won a title,

1726
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 3: and he had this late resurgeon. But Luke, I was

1727
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 3: literally texting friends ahead of that fight, being like, you know,

1728
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 3: I don't have to wheel Nonina out of there, like

1729
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 3: this is going to be bad. And it wasn't, dude,

1730
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 3: And he fought the fight of his life, and for

1731
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 3: the first time, we got to see that night if

1732
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 3: a New Way is human only. To the Monster's credit, Luke,

1733
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 3: he passed a very difficult test, getting his face broken,

1734
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 3: his nose broken, and getting you know, in overcoming a

1735
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 3: guy who was willing to just you know, make his

1736
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 3: legend in one night only. He was already a surefire

1737
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. So to see the rematch play out

1738
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 3: in the way that we saw the we thought the

1739
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 3: first fight would, and to see a new Way get

1740
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 3: through a very tough challenge like that first fight was

1741
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 3: three years ago, and grow from it and learn from

1742
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 3: it and be stronger from it, I'm not surprised in

1743
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 3: some ways it was that easy because he is a

1744
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 3: frightening fighter, an explosive fighter who I don't look at

1745
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 3: even though he's a ridiculous power puncher. And what made

1746
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 3: this fight so eye opening for a round and a

1747
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 3: half was everything he touched Donair with was like an

1748
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 3: acbomb exploding in donaire. Who great chin uh? You know,

1749
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 3: body darting off in different directions from the from the

1750
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 3: the impact of the punches. I still don't even look

1751
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,719
Speaker 3: at a new A as either just a power puncher

1752
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 3: or mostly a power puncher. Luke his boxing and the

1753
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 3: way he sets up these combinations, his footwork, his every

1754
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 3: his IQ. You know, he's been some people's power for

1755
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 3: power number one. I think Canelo losing to Bevall kind

1756
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 3: of opened that discussion back up again. I still have Canelos,

1757
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 3: some people have Bud Crawfords, some people have Spence, some

1758
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 3: people have Oo Sick whatever, dude, a new A could

1759
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 3: very well be number one. And this was a round

1760
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 3: and a half to show you just how freaking amazing

1761
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 3: he is. And let's not forget he won three titles

1762
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,560
Speaker 3: in three divisions and like his first like ten or

1763
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 3: twelve fights, Luke, he's one of those Lomachenko guys. Who

1764
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 3: came into the sport and just went after it. Now

1765
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 3: there's some talk although he wants to become the underspeed champion. Here. Look,

1766
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 3: there's some talk you make up to one twenty two

1767
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 3: and seek a title in a fourth way class, and

1768
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 3: it's like, well his power carry? You tell me if

1769
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 3: his power is gonna carry? Luke, what the hell was that? Dude?

1770
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 3: That was a demolition against a guy in Dounaiir. Yes,

1771
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 3: thirty nine, but just last year he scored two wins

1772
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 3: by knockout to reclaim another title. I mean, Luke, this

1773
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 3: was like, this guy is is among the best we've

1774
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 3: seen in this sport in some time. Like he's in

1775
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 3: this conversation, dude.

1776
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 2: Here's what stands out to me about this. I saw

1777
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 2: a lot of people being like, oh, no, Nito Donaire

1778
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 2: is old at thirty nine years of age. And it's like, well, okay,

1779
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say that isn't obviously that's true that

1780
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 2: he's thirty nine years of age. But as you just

1781
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 2: sort of articulated, this was a title unification. You know,

1782
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 2: this was not some feeble no Nito Donaiir who had

1783
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 2: limped to this finish line of a rematch. To your point,

1784
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 2: he kaoed Nordine Ubali I think that was on Showtime

1785
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 2: in four rounds, and then followed it up with a

1786
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 2: win over Raymart Gabajo in four rounds kaoed both of

1787
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 2: them and of course claiming the title of this one

1788
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 2: they put up for grabs that obviously in a way won.

1789
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 2: So this was a very deserving rematch. This was, yes,

1790
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 2: a late career, certainly resurgence for Nenito Donair, but it

1791
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,879
Speaker 2: wasn't like he had been showing signs he'd been totally

1792
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 2: washed since twenty eighteen. The only guy he's ever lost

1793
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 2: to is Noyah in a way, Noya in a way

1794
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 2: he lost him twice, obviously the first time and then

1795
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 2: this in this rematch, But the first one, as we indicated,

1796
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 2: was very very close, very very good. So what do

1797
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 2: I bring this up to say? Like, you know, you

1798
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 2: can say what you want about how old Donaire is,

1799
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 2: but this was a very very This was a guy

1800
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 2: who had earnest opportunity. It was for a title unification,

1801
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 2: and he had been on fire in his career of late.

1802
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 2: The other point I wanted to bring up BC was

1803
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you brought up his power. We talk

1804
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 2: all the time in MMA or boxing guys who have power,

1805
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 2: how it sometimes can be a bit of a curse

1806
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 2: because it's so crippling that they don't really have to

1807
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 2: work on a lot of their other things, because once

1808
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 2: they figure out that they can land, you know, a

1809
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,799
Speaker 2: good clean shot or two, it changes the whole dynamic.

1810
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 2: Someone like an Edgar Berlanga, for example, who does obviously

1811
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 2: have very good power, but probably doesn't have the rest

1812
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:19,719
Speaker 2: of the game behind it. Well, here is a guy

1813
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 2: who fights in terms of his technical application and strategy,

1814
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 2: like he doesn't have big power, and then when he lands,

1815
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 2: he is a fucking home run hitter. Dude, that right

1816
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 2: hand he landed was off of a faint from a

1817
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 2: jab that he was expecting Dona to slip. He bombed

1818
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 2: on him. And go look at that last left hook

1819
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 2: that he gets off the right hand. He lends the

1820
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 2: right hand, the hands come out of donair, and then

1821
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:48,560
Speaker 2: he lands this left hook that is just so perfect.

1822
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 2: He is a dynamic puncher. He's an accurate puncher, he

1823
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 2: has phenomenal footwork. He's young at this point, I'd say

1824
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,759
Speaker 2: he's actually pretty battle tested. I saw Stephen Bredman say this, Pecie,

1825
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 2: tell me if you agree to your point you raised

1826
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 2: earlier about pound for pound. They were saying that, like,

1827
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 2: you know, because no one really knows a lot of

1828
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 2: the opponents that in a way has had over the years,

1829
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: they kind of discount what he's done. But he was

1830
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 2: saying that if he was one hundred and forty seven

1831
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,759
Speaker 2: pounds or bigger, he'd be number one pound for pound

1832
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 2: with a bullet. Do you agree?

1833
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 3: I think that might be true. I just updated mine

1834
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 3: for CBS Sports that just got published, and I haven't

1835
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 3: met number two, you know, kill me or not. I

1836
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 3: still think Canelo, even with that loss of Bevall, has

1837
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 3: shown enough lately. But I do think we're again in

1838
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 3: an era where if you like Crawford better or a

1839
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 3: Usk or Spence, you're not wrong. But yes, Luke, what

1840
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 3: a new a has done. That's why I'm so happy

1841
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 3: Top rank and ESPN have brought him to America more

1842
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 3: or less here because you remember Chuck Latito, who was

1843
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 3: still around the great Roman Gonzales. But unfortunately Luke, when

1844
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 3: he was doing the same thing a decade earlier as

1845
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:45,759
Speaker 3: Anue was doing, coming up in those lower weight classes,

1846
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 3: and blowing people the hell away, but doing it thoughtfully

1847
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 3: with technique and setting it up. By the time we

1848
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 3: got to finally see Chuck Latito on the regular and

1849
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 3: American TV, it was like when he was in the

1850
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 3: second chapter, it was like, you know, he was a

1851
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 3: street only guy. He was an illegal stream you know,

1852
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 3: Russian malware guy for a long time for real boxing fans,

1853
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 3: and I'm so by the time he came in it

1854
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 3: was a little bit too late, but we still got

1855
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 3: to see some great fights and we still want to

1856
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 3: see him in that trilogy with Estrata. But my whole

1857
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 3: point here is a new way is much more in

1858
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 3: the thick permanence of his prime. So by the time

1859
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 3: Chuckolachito through HBO came to the forefront in the you know,

1860
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 3: pay per view coal main events to Gannati Glofkin and

1861
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 3: getting that exposure, it was like, Okay, he's already had

1862
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 3: a division in which he might be over his head,

1863
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 3: and that's why those fights were so close, and we

1864
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 3: saw Chuckle Lachito lose to so Rungvisai in vicious you

1865
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 3: know manner because of that. But dude, I'm not convinced,

1866
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 3: I know at all where a new a's ceiling is

1867
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 3: as it pertains to weight, because not only has the

1868
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 3: punching power carried up through these three weight divisions in

1869
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 3: which he's won titles. And oh, by the way, just

1870
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 3: so people know, he skipped a division. He skipped one twelve,

1871
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 3: he wanted title one OWA eight. Then he moved up

1872
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:57,600
Speaker 3: two divisions to one fifteen. Now he's got three of

1873
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 3: the four belts at one eighteen. Look, I'm not sure

1874
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 3: because even if he gets to a point where his

1875
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 3: power isn't as destructive, his boxing skills, speed footwork, IQ

1876
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 3: all that seemed to be not just on point, but

1877
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 3: fricking elite, world class elite. Do you feel like you know?

1878
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 3: Because as much as I want to see him fight

1879
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 3: next the other belt of the four, Jeanreale Casamiro from

1880
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 3: the Philippines, who's the slugger fun to watch, I'd love

1881
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 3: that fight for the young disputed. How about anwe moving

1882
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 3: up to one twenty two and fighting guys like Stephen

1883
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 3: Fulton Junior, Luis Nary, Brandon Figueroa, Danny Roman. Do you

1884
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 3: think from what you've seen so far that at one

1885
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 3: twenty two it may be more of the same.

1886
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 2: I'll say this, Casimiro, I think gets dusted by in

1887
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 2: a way. I don't think he's got anything for him

1888
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 2: long term. I'll just say that out loud. So that's

1889
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 2: one eighteen that your question is about one twenty two.

1890
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:50,839
Speaker 2: That's a different challenge, dude. We just saw what Fulton

1891
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 2: was doing. He is also incredible. I don't think Fulton

1892
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 2: is the puncher that in a way is But again,

1893
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 2: how would in a way's punching translate to one twenty two.

1894
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 2: It remains to be seen. I'll say this, I think

1895
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 2: that at one eighteen he can't be beat not by

1896
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 2: anybody on a good day anyway. But at one twenty two,

1897
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 2: that is where, that is where he could potentially become

1898
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 2: something special. In part we see this fight was in Japan,

1899
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 2: and hardcore boxing fans know how big this was. The

1900
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 2: top rank did put him a couple of times last

1901
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 2: year at twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. They hadn't

1902
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,600
Speaker 2: fight Jason Maloney and then dys Marinus in Vegas. I

1903
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 2: also wonder about his potential to become an American star.

1904
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 2: But I'll say this, if he can if he can

1905
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 2: make waves at one twenty two, dude, he might be

1906
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 2: able to do something really incredible and not just being

1907
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 2: a sort of a Japanese hero who hardcore fans know here,

1908
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 2: but a bit more of a global kind of name.

1909
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 2: Because Showtime is really invested, as you've seen in this

1910
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 2: one twenty two division. If we can start getting some

1911
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 2: of these other players on the outside of the networks

1912
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Speaker 2: and get some of these bigger fights to be made,

1913
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 2: who knows what's possible here. So I don't really have

1914
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 2: a great answer for your question because it's so hard

1915
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 2: to say given how special one twenty two has really

1916
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 2: turned out, But adding in a way to the mix,

1917
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 2: forget it, dude, that is just a point viewing times

1918
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Speaker 2: of thousand.

1919
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Speaker 3: Luke, I just added Stephen Fulton Junior number ten on

1920
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 3: my pound for pound list, and it was a really

1921
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 3: hard move considering the likes of recent guys like Jamel Charlow,

1922
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,600
Speaker 3: Devin Haney last week, Geronte Davis, who are you know?

1923
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 3: Right in and around that conversation Estrada, chuckle, Lachito, you know,

1924
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 3: Josh Taylor, on and on. But you know what I

1925
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 3: love best about Fulton was that even before he beat Roman,

1926
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 3: he was saying, merjeov OCTAMALIV next merge On excuse me

1927
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 3: for the for the undisputed then I want a new

1928
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 3: way to move up after that. Don't like, you know,

1929
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to make this a Stephen Fulton Junior

1930
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 3: showtime love fest every episode. But could you imagine Luke

1931
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 3: if in succession he fought Angelo Lao for the title

1932
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 3: unified against Brandon Figueroa beat the former Unified champion Daniel Roman.

1933
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 3: Let's say he somehow can draw merge On OCTAMALIAV next

1934
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 3: and becomes the undisputed champion and then fights a new

1935
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 3: a moving up. I'm not saying it. You know, all

1936
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,879
Speaker 3: those fights can happen in succession. Yes, there's other factors,

1937
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 3: involve a lot of other factors, but Fulton is at

1938
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 3: twenty seven, is trying to show us how great he

1939
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 3: feels he can be. A new way is already here,

1940
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 3: you know, A new Way versus Fulton is never going

1941
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 3: to be a pay per view ratings bonanza. But by

1942
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 3: the time they may end up meeting, if they do

1943
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 3: what they've accomplished in how we view them on a

1944
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 3: pump for pound level, like this could be one of

1945
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 3: the you know, inside hardcore fan only dream fights like

1946
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 3: this is gonna be This could be great.

1947
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 2: Luke really could so something to pay attention to for

1948
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 2: the future. If you missed it, it's easy to catch

1949
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 2: on ESPN Plus. Go watch it. Just watch an absolute

1950
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 2: master craftsman who can punch people's fucking lights out. Go

1951
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 2: do work, all right, b C. I'm gonna hand this

1952
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 2: one over to you because I know you're probably licking

1953
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 2: your chops at all of this. So, uh, let's see.

1954
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:45,560
Speaker 2: On what day was it with Monday? I think I

1955
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 2: tweet this because it was on the way up to

1956
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 2: the studios. I was looking at some video stuff from

1957
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 2: early Max fights and I noticed on the tail of

1958
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 2: the tape his arms kept getting shorter on the tail

1959
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 2: of the tape. Now, of course I don't actually fucking

1960
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 2: think his arms are shrinking as he gets older, but

1961
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 2: it was kind of funny to watch. Also, I'll point

1962
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 2: this out bec since I noticed that, I went back

1963
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 2: and I watched like a bunch of other fighters, Dude

1964
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 2: McGregor went from like five eleven to five nine's people

1965
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 2: have changed in all different directions on the tails of

1966
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 2: the tape, But I had tweeted you can see it here.

1967
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 2: According to tallotape. Max Holloway's arms have shrunk over time

1968
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 2: because in the Partier fight, the first one, which was

1969
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 2: his debut, it was seventy. Then you go to the

1970
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 2: McGregor fight, it was sixty nine and a half. And

1971
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:24,560
Speaker 2: then you go to the Swanson fight and it was

1972
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 2: just straight up sixty nine. I'm like, well, that's kind

1973
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 2: of interesting that his arms keep shrinking. I thought it

1974
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 2: was funny. And then old Max tried to have a

1975
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 2: little fun at your boy's expense. You want to set

1976
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 2: this up please?

1977
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 3: Well, you know how many times Luke has seen the

1978
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 3: second match Alloway Alexander Volkanowski fight. By the way, shout

1979
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 3: out to Max Holloway, this is awesome. He quote tweets

1980
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 3: or which replies, after you watch those forty times, let

1981
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 3: me know how long my arms are, boss, And then

1982
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 3: he sees the.

1983
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:54,520
Speaker 2: Really what seals that tweet?

1984
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, who's running his account? He's not an league guy?

1985
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 3: Is this really Max tweeting Luke?

1986
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it was yeah.

1987
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 3: You know, he would later go back and forth with

1988
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 3: the fans who you know that he'd bring the t

1989
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 3: Rex joke with the short arms into it. He's like, yeah,

1990
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 3: I got. I got to hook up my boy BC

1991
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 3: and let him know, Luke, what that's great? I mean,

1992
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 3: what is it you know, to see when reel is

1993
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,759
Speaker 3: recognizing real on this level, Luke and playing into our humor.

1994
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 3: And of course in the end they respect you, Luke,

1995
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 3: what you bring to this game. But I believe we

1996
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 3: just filmed a pregame preview in which we got deep

1997
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 3: into the forty nine times debate. More to come in

1998
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 3: the future, Luke.

1999
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 2: You know when I say we got deep into it,

2000
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 2: I mean Brian certainly at the eight throw of the

2001
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 2: delta flight with also a beer in hand. I'm sitting

2002
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 2: there talking to Chuck and I can just see that

2003
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 2: fucking smirk out of the corner of my eye, and

2004
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 2: you know that, here's Brian when he's when he's got

2005
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 2: like like a dad joke, like loaded in the chamber,

2006
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 2: he does this like he can't he can't keep his

2007
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 2: mouth straight. So there's this, there's this distracting shit out

2008
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 2: of the corner of my eye. And then he goes, hey, Chuck, Hey, Chuck, well,

2009
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 2: how did you set this up?

2010
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 3: I don't even remember, Luke, I don't.

2011
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 2: Then we did like ten minutes on the forty nine times,

2012
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 2: which I just I will say one more time. I

2013
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 2: realized that, dude, once you put something on the Internet,

2014
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 2: like you don't control it anymore. You know what I mean?

2015
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 3: Like, No, don't don't blame the Internet. That's the most

2016
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 3: you've ever set out there.

2017
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 2: Here's here's all the thing I mean. I'm not blaming

2018
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 2: the Internet, in fact, quite the opposite. All I'm trying

2019
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 2: to say is, once you put something out a video,

2020
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 2: a podcast, a tweet, and it goes out into the ether,

2021
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that the way in which you put

2022
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 2: it out, that doesn't mean that the audience will take

2023
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 2: it that way or it could take it takes on

2024
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 2: a life of its own, is the only point I'm

2025
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 2: trying to say that. I think I know what you mean.

2026
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 2: It takes on a life of its own. So when

2027
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 2: I wrote that, I thought it was the most throwaway

2028
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 2: line imaginable. In fact, I was just trying to get

2029
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 2: the tweet out because I want that. The video was late,

2030
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 2: so I wanted to get the tweetouts fast as possible.

2031
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 2: I was trying to give some hook. I was like,

2032
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 2: oh my god, I've done so much. But it took

2033
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 2: on a life of its own, and I mean it's

2034
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 2: the most of Thomas tweet of all time.

2035
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 3: We're talking about, you know, rewatching the fight and whether

2036
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 3: your story change.

2037
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 2: You seem to think that like, I'm not telling the

2038
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 2: truth here, dude. I'm I can show you the motherfucking notes.

2039
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 2: I have kept them front to back. No, but at

2040
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 2: least three rounds each time for the duration of forty

2041
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:15,560
Speaker 2: nine different.

2042
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 3: Area that is tweet. Do we have the tweet in question?

2043
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 3: How long after the fight happened? Did this tweet go out? This?

2044
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 3: This will decide how pretend.

2045
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 2: You're Monday or the Shuesday. I think the Tuesday.

2046
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 3: Actually, okay, there you go, that's two. That's what's what

2047
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 3: three days after? Luke, there's no freaking way and love times.

2048
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 2: Do I have to explain this? Yes, it would be

2049
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:39,599
Speaker 2: impossible front to back with all the roundbreaks in between.

2050
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 2: But what I'm talking about is note taking sessions where

2051
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 2: I go through several rounds at a time. Yes, that

2052
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 2: part definitely happened.

2053
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 3: I mean, look, dude, maybe you just out work everybody

2054
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 3: I've been saying, like like like Dominic Cruz would love you,

2055
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 3: unlike DC. You you watch the tape.

2056
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 2: But Luke, have you seen my hair. That's all I

2057
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 2: do is work forty.

2058
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 3: Nine times in three day. No, you didn't do that,

2059
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 3: And that's such a thing to say you want a

2060
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 3: drink and not get drunk.

2061
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 2: You want to put this into some category of falsehood

2062
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 2: if you want to say it's a stupid or silly

2063
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 2: or dumb ass thing to tweet, Well, I mean I

2064
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 2: can't really argue with you, but you can't argue what

2065
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 2: it is is false. I'm not making it up. It

2066
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 2: might be a dumb thing to share, fine, but not

2067
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 2: that it's lying. I'm not lying to you. That's what

2068
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 2: that's not happening here.

2069
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 3: All right, Well, you know I debate that, and we'll

2070
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 3: have ten more minutes of debate on the upcoming uh

2071
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 3: UFC two seventy six pregame preview Starry Chunking in a Hall.

2072
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 3: All right, check it out. No, seriously, Max playing in

2073
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 3: on this joke. Yes, does he watch the show? I

2074
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:44,880
Speaker 3: know that you you've talked to his camp before and

2075
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 3: they've liked your breakdowns and all that, and I respect that,

2076
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 3: but like, do you think he actually watches this shit?

2077
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 2: No chance, come on, So I don't know how much

2078
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 2: of it they watch, but I'm told that they keep

2079
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 2: up with it whatever that means.

2080
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,839
Speaker 3: Okay, dude, I'm telling you, if if that couch them

2081
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 3: casting couch, the MK casting couch in RSD can become

2082
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:06,559
Speaker 3: the twelfth island and we can get Max on there.

2083
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 3: I'm in Okay, let's do it. This could change the game.

2084
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, if Max is watching, Hey, Max, we might

2085
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 2: have to do a resume review on you. You know

2086
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, bro might have to put some X

2087
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 2: on you. All right, So wow, Oh that out of

2088
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 2: the way. Anything else you want to add? No, no, no,

2089
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 2: all right, all right, BC last banal least we go

2090
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 2: some quick hitters. This one surprised me a little bit.

2091
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 2: Surprised me in the sense that I just didn't see

2092
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 2: it coming right Jorge Max, but I'll speaking to Aia

2093
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 2: Hall wanting on the MMA hour, says he doesn't want

2094
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 2: Herbdan to ref any more of his fights ever again.

2095
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 2: Quote I'm not a fan of Herbdan, man, I'll tell

2096
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 2: you that much. We've had a couple of problems, and

2097
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 2: the donal Seroni fight was one of them, which kind

2098
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 2: of was a late stoppage if you want to sort

2099
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 2: of say that as well. As the Jake Ellenberger fight.

2100
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 2: I just I don't know. I don't think I'm his

2101
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 2: cup of tea and he kind of takes it out

2102
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:53,600
Speaker 2: on me when he's refereeing. He's done some things and

2103
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's kind of weird. And then I clear,

2104
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 2: I get clearly, clearly he's talking about Covington throws a

2105
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,839
Speaker 2: low blow that I'm not saying it changes the outcome,

2106
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 2: but clearly he throws a low blow that's intentional, and

2107
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 2: Herb doesn't do anything about it, just gives him a

2108
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 2: little warning. I don't know. I hope that as long

2109
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 2: as I compete, Herb Dean never referees a fight of

2110
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 2: mine or judges it. What do you make of that?

2111
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 3: I mean, is it fair for him to say that

2112
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 3: and say that publicly? No? In theory, no, you know,

2113
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 3: none of us, I think outright believe that Herb Dean

2114
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 3: has a grudge against him and it comes out and

2115
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 3: is officiating. Could it be true of anything as possible?

2116
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 3: I don't believe that. But Luke, as a competitor, an

2117
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 3: athlete who played you know, we have all played some

2118
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 3: level of sports at a competitive level. It's like we

2119
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 3: all have that referee or umpire that you're like, oh,

2120
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 3: that guy's got it out for us. You know, maybe

2121
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 3: it's just that that's his style of calling plays against

2122
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 3: your style of trying to I mean, maybe it's whatever,

2123
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 3: But if this is what Jorge has to do to

2124
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:54,839
Speaker 3: feed the ego or trick himself into you know, look, everybody,

2125
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 3: every fighter to go on, they gotta be the biggest comment.

2126
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 3: We've already established that. But to get yourself, especially if

2127
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 3: to a loss and your brand is you know, potentially

2128
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:03,680
Speaker 3: tarnished to a certain level, like to be that you

2129
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 3: have to be the one above all that believe and believe,

2130
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 3: you know, blindly in yourself. If this is what he

2131
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,800
Speaker 3: needs to do, or Luke, if he actually does believe this,

2132
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 3: maybe not to the extreme of you know, Herb's got

2133
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 3: something against me, but if he does say, look I

2134
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 3: got three or four instances where I feel like HERB

2135
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 3: missed it. Going public like this does potentially not have

2136
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 3: Herb assigned to your fights if the right people listen. So,

2137
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 3: you know, again once again kind of like the sucker

2138
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:30,640
Speaker 3: punch on Colby, it's like, do I think it's the

2139
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 3: right thing for him to do this? No, you know,

2140
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,679
Speaker 3: but like do I get it. Is there an ending

2141
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 3: game for him? Do I understand it? Yeah? So I'm

2142
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 3: not mad at it, Luke. Are you personally offended here?

2143
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 2: No? No, No, I'm not offended by the way. I don't

2144
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 2: think we should shield referees from criticism. I mean, you

2145
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 2: want to do that job, like, and it's a public job,

2146
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 2: and you're affecting fighter's careers. Yeah, dude, people are gonna

2147
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 2: say what the fuck they think about you, And that's

2148
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 2: just kind of how it goes.

2149
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 3: I want to know what Keith Peterson smells like. I'm

2150
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 3: not allowed to scratch and sniff. That's why we have

2151
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 3: Dominic Cruz's honesty to thank for, all right.

2152
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 2: Right, But here's my point. It's just that the criticisms

2153
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 2: need to be as fair and informed as possible. Now,

2154
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that Jorge's criticisms are wrong. Here is

2155
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 2: something that occurs to me though. Herb Dean, I think

2156
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 2: can be a good referee, but I think he can

2157
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,559
Speaker 2: also be an inconsistent one. And I do think there

2158
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 2: is a little bit to what Jorge is saying in

2159
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 2: the sense that some of the times that Herb Dean

2160
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:23,639
Speaker 2: has had an inconsistent performance he's been in the fights.

2161
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 2: They have been his fights, particularly that one with Don Serroney.

2162
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,640
Speaker 2: That's not a strong performance from him, Like Jorge is

2163
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 2: right about that, and then this one with a low blow. Yeah,

2164
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 2: probably could be something to be said for that. So

2165
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 2: it's more a question of like does he have anything

2166
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:38,720
Speaker 2: out for hogem mass but all I seriously doubt that.

2167
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 2: But is he inconsistent time over time? And that can

2168
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:43,920
Speaker 2: be noted. And and by the way, if a fighter

2169
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 2: doesn't want the referee, they can ask the commission not

2170
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:48,640
Speaker 2: to use them. Yeah, I think there might be a

2171
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 2: little to that. To be quite honest with you, I

2172
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 2: don't know what are you doing? Did you leave your seat?

2173
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 3: No? I had a hangnail and it was like sliced.

2174
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 3: It was cutting me, so.

2175
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 2: You know, you know, with the pain, pulled it off

2176
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 2: and now my finger got infected.

2177
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:07,640
Speaker 3: That's what I did. So I pulled it off and

2178
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 3: it started bleeding and I was like, you know, I

2179
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 3: got to cut this thing off right now or I'm

2180
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 3: gonna hurt myself.

2181
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,800
Speaker 2: Luca, all right, b C. I won't really get into

2182
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 2: this one, but just kind of a sort of a

2183
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 2: small note. Cheeto Vera was an Ecuador recently and it

2184
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 2: was a lot of good stuff about it. In fact,

2185
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 2: Mma Junkie posted a picture of him picking up his

2186
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 2: nephew from school and he was mobbed by people there.

2187
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 2: So it's good to see Cheeto Vera is turning into

2188
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:28,839
Speaker 2: a something of a celebrated figure in his home country.

2189
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 2: Small note here his brother is running for office in Ecuador,

2190
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 2: and as a consequence, I think through supporting his brother,

2191
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 2: they appeared with what could be called somebody who is

2192
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:43,560
Speaker 2: a chavista, someone who is sort of a far left politician.

2193
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:47,799
Speaker 2: Let's say. Cheeto has been getting cooked on social media

2194
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 2: for it. If you go and look at this stuff,

2195
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 2: and it's usually all in Spanish, but you can look

2196
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 2: at it his mentions right now, it's a lot of mix.

2197
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 2: There's a lot of praise for him as well, to

2198
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 2: be clear, but there's a lot of animosity for the

2199
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 2: guy who he appeared with, which is weird because he

2200
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 2: appeared with this guy, but he's pro Trump and they're

2201
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 2: not at all alike. It's so this is crazy thing.

2202
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 2: But I'll just say this, I have noticed a lot

2203
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 2: more fighters getting more politically involved. I don't know what

2204
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 2: it does for their fortunes long term, but it is

2205
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 2: happening more and more, not just in this country, but

2206
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 2: in other places as well. Uh, is this person?

2207
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 3: Is this person he was photographed with that created the

2208
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:27,600
Speaker 3: backlash like known for anything really bad? Or is it

2209
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 3: just he's a he's Is it just that Cheeto kind

2210
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 3: of posed with somebody on the opposite side of the

2211
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:33,200
Speaker 3: political lote.

2212
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:35,600
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the obvious the guys do a

2213
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 2: lot of these politicians. It's you're getting into left wing

2214
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 2: politics here, but the guy is quite obviously corrupt and you.

2215
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:42,599
Speaker 3: Know, has got I mean, it's not like is it like.

2216
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 2: Super super anti U A U S. You know, so

2217
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 2: there's a lot of left wing politics that rejects any

2218
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,560
Speaker 2: kind of US involvement in Latin America. This guy is

2219
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 2: maybe the guy maybe what's his face from Bolivia is worse,

2220
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 2: but he's up there as like a very anti US

2221
01:38:57,439 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 2: imperialism kind of guy. So just weird you'd be like

2222
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 2: pro Trump and then anyway, just pointing it out.

2223
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 3: Is it like posing with Manuel Noriego Luke.

2224
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 2: No, it's not quite like posing with Manuel.

2225
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:08,400
Speaker 3: No.

2226
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:09,680
Speaker 2: No, No, it's not like he posed with.

2227
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:14,799
Speaker 3: Like what what what? Yeah? What what what what? What?

2228
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:15,679
Speaker 3: You know? What I'm saying?

2229
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 2: We light a candle, run laps around the English channel Neptune's.

2230
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:24,120
Speaker 3: So I'm talking about yo? That that that that was

2231
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 3: a hot CD. Luke that ship was good?

2232
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:32,280
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, by the way, the NORD albums were good.

2233
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 2: The CNN albums are better. Just putting that out, okay?

2234
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 2: Uh Eddie heard see the British Office. Yeah, do you

2235
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 2: consider and tell me that his his main albums are

2236
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 2: better than Compona Noriega albums. Really you want to make

2237
01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 2: that argument?

2238
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 3: Sorry, let me get I don't think you want to

2239
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 3: make that.

2240
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:53,320
Speaker 2: You don't think you want to make that, all right?

2241
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:57,600
Speaker 2: BC Eddie hearn. Now, he didn't say where, but he

2242
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 2: kind of said Jake Paul is probably gonna fight Tommy

2243
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 2: Fury on August thirteenth. He also said he hopes he

2244
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 2: gets chinned. So I don't know, ay, what do you

2245
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 2: make of like? Because I gotta say I thought the

2246
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:10,439
Speaker 2: ship had sailed on the Tommy Fury fights, but I

2247
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 2: guess not. We knew he kind of wanted to get

2248
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 2: back in August. Where do you expect him to fight?

2249
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 2: You're gonna find on his owne. We know he had

2250
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:17,720
Speaker 2: the two fight deals with Showtime, but we haven't heard

2251
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 2: anything about that. Quite little, We have not heard anything

2252
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:21,680
Speaker 2: about that. What do you make of any hearn kind

2253
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 2: of spilling the beans here?

2254
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought dizone because he seemed to be so

2255
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 3: you know, tight with them while promoting Amanda Serrano. But

2256
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 3: but I don't know, because I believe Tommy Fury is

2257
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 3: a a Frank Warren promoted fighter, so there's no tie

2258
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:41,120
Speaker 3: in network wise there. You know. Look, look, could Jake

2259
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:43,679
Speaker 3: want this fight because Jake wants to get back serious

2260
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:45,720
Speaker 3: on a consistent schedule again, and he looks at this

2261
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:48,600
Speaker 3: as a fight that will sell. He can make the

2262
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 3: excuse of, you know, I'm fighting a real boxer for

2263
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 3: the first time, although we all realized Tommy Fury is

2264
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:56,400
Speaker 3: you know, very inexperienced, and could it, you know, just

2265
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 3: put another big highlight reel win on his resume to

2266
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 3: boost him stepping up the next time. Maybe, But I

2267
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:04,759
Speaker 3: don't think there's a ton of interest right now. Whether

2268
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,639
Speaker 3: this is on showtime or not. To be fair, Showtime

2269
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 3: pay per view or not, my analysis has nothing to

2270
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 3: do with that. It's more like this, Luke, I think

2271
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:15,840
Speaker 3: we're ready, Like if we're gonna care about the Jake

2272
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:18,760
Speaker 3: experience moving forward. It's it's him stepping up. And I

2273
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:21,280
Speaker 3: just don't think Tommy Fury is the big enough step

2274
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 3: up now unless you're telling me I can see the

2275
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 3: future and this Tommy Fury is the setup fight for

2276
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 3: Inerson Silva, and then I'm like, okay, it kind of

2277
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:29,800
Speaker 3: is what it is. I'll tune in, I'll see it.

2278
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 3: But I think the pressure's mounting here, Luke, in terms

2279
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:34,880
Speaker 3: of you know, at some point you got to you

2280
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 3: gotta take the attraction to the next level and match up.

2281
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 3: And the time is fertile to make Innerson Silva fight,

2282
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:43,360
Speaker 3: is it not. I mean, you're gonna do it. Let's

2283
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 3: do it.

2284
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 2: We've talked about this a little bit. I gotta tell you,

2285
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:50,600
Speaker 2: I honestly don't feel I can't say exactly what a

2286
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 2: Tommy Fury fight would do, especially in the UK. I

2287
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:55,719
Speaker 2: still tend to think that would be kind of big.

2288
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 2: But I gotta tell you in terms of like taking

2289
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 2: this to a place where he's gonna meet his own

2290
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 2: remember his own what was? What was? What was Jake

2291
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 2: Paul's own metric for success? He wants to make a

2292
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 2: quarter billion boxing right and against either McGregor or Canelo.

2293
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 2: And when we said really, Canelo bro to his face,

2294
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:14,559
Speaker 2: he seemed shocked that we would even say such a thing.

2295
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:17,320
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, Tommy Fury doesn't lead you there.

2296
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:19,759
Speaker 2: It doesn't lead you there even with a wow.

2297
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,600
Speaker 3: Could it be a marketing move to go to a

2298
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 3: soccer stadium in England? Luke, If that's the play, I

2299
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:28,400
Speaker 3: get it. But do you see this choice of opponent

2300
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 3: as him not believing he's ready for an Anderson Silver

2301
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 3: or just like I said before, it could be a

2302
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:35,120
Speaker 3: setup to that.

2303
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:38,320
Speaker 2: Yes. I mean obviously Anderson would command more money and

2304
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 2: I think that would affect negotiations and everything else. So

2305
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 2: there is probably a lot more difficulty in making an

2306
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 2: Anderson Silver fight than there is and making a Tommy

2307
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 2: Fury fight. I think you'd probably agree with that too.

2308
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,760
Speaker 2: But in terms of like where it takes you to

2309
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:53,960
Speaker 2: get to your goal, you need the Anderson civil fight

2310
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 2: much more than you need Tommy Fury. And I do

2311
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:58,720
Speaker 2: think that if you if you really, if he really

2312
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 2: believes in the stuff he's saying, taking on a guy

2313
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 2: who's nearly fifty should be doable at this point. It

2314
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:07,680
Speaker 2: should be doable. But I think going this route kind

2315
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:10,240
Speaker 2: of tells you that, at least for now, he doesn't

2316
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 2: really seem to think that it's all that doable.

2317
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 3: But who do you think he reunites with Triller? No

2318
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:16,400
Speaker 3: one seems to be talking about that. I don't think

2319
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 3: you care about that. But do you think that's a.

2320
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 2: Door after they were caught not paying people?

2321
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 3: I believe by the way, I believe they paid within

2322
01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 3: hours of that story going live, So by the time

2323
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 3: we brought it up, I think they had already paid

2324
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:31,800
Speaker 3: just so just for the record trailer did pay.

2325
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:33,840
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, But the fact that it even got

2326
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:35,679
Speaker 2: to that point where the media had to write stories

2327
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:38,639
Speaker 2: about it is like red Flag City. I mean, yes,

2328
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 2: all right, BC Devison FIGUREDO can't believe that there's an

2329
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:44,559
Speaker 2: interim title on the line in Brandon Moreno's next fight

2330
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:49,679
Speaker 2: against was a Kaikara France. If memory serves, he says

2331
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 2: it in fact, because he's so offended by it that

2332
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:54,720
Speaker 2: he might leave the division. I gotta tell you, I'm like,

2333
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:58,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what game he's playing here, Like, what

2334
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 2: would you have to think of about yourself to think

2335
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 2: that leaving it would do damage to what the UFC

2336
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:07,679
Speaker 2: is trying to build. Yes, it would be bad. I mean, listen,

2337
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 2: it would be better if the existing weight class champion

2338
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:12,800
Speaker 2: was in the weight class and defending it. Of course,

2339
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:15,479
Speaker 2: fair enough, he is the deserving guy, but it's not

2340
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 2: like he's so popular that leaving does some kind of

2341
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:21,800
Speaker 2: like dramatic damage to it. What is are you? I

2342
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 2: don't quite understand his response.

2343
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:26,559
Speaker 3: Well, I agree with him, and we've already been up

2344
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:28,560
Speaker 3: and down this road that this is a pretty gratuitous

2345
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:32,519
Speaker 3: use of an interim title. Did that anger him? And

2346
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 3: is he looking at the fact that it's never ever

2347
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,320
Speaker 3: been easy for him to make this weight Luke. In fact,

2348
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 3: we've often regularly debated like, well, you know, until his body,

2349
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 3: you know, forces him out of this division. I mean,

2350
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:45,439
Speaker 3: he's probably pretty close. He probably has to go through

2351
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:48,040
Speaker 3: heck to get there. And let's again give him credit

2352
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 3: at thirty four coming off a finished laws so in

2353
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:54,479
Speaker 3: a one sided fight. In the rematch he came back

2354
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 3: and won his moment. That was a big ass win.

2355
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:59,680
Speaker 3: The move up to one thirty five has felt inevitable.

2356
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:03,759
Speaker 3: Is this the best his stock could be in terms

2357
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,880
Speaker 3: of negotiation, leverage and all that? Maybe This is part

2358
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:08,800
Speaker 3: of him looking at the tea leaves and going, I'm

2359
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:12,120
Speaker 3: gonna move up eventually. All I move up now as

2360
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 3: the defending champion, and you know, will that help him

2361
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:17,880
Speaker 3: in terms of matchmaking and money in ways that it

2362
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 3: wouldn't if he lost the belt and then moved up

2363
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:21,320
Speaker 3: because he had nowhere else to go. Is that Does

2364
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:22,439
Speaker 3: that make any sense to you, Luke?

2365
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 2: No, none of this really makes sense. I get why

2366
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 2: he's upsetting you, right, we've talked about that, but I don't.

2367
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:35,120
Speaker 2: I just can't comprehend what he imagines these threats to

2368
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 2: mean for himself or the division such at the UFC

2369
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 2: would be like, oh, well, we better, we better do

2370
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 2: something differently, like it's if he wants to move on,

2371
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:47,920
Speaker 2: Because he wants to move on, fine, drop your title

2372
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 2: and go. But like, I don't get what who does

2373
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:54,160
Speaker 2: he think he is? Here's the question? By doing that,

2374
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:55,640
Speaker 2: If let's say he dropped his title and moved to

2375
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:59,639
Speaker 2: a thirty five, like outright, who is being punished? You'd

2376
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 2: give up the one mechanism that gets you, the more

2377
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 2: money that brings you, celebrity, that brings you status, to

2378
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 2: go to a tougher division where you don't have the

2379
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:12,559
Speaker 2: same size advantages, like the UFC must be like, okay,

2380
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:15,000
Speaker 2: if you want to go, go, like, we can't stop

2381
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:19,280
Speaker 2: you necessarily, but who really suffers here? It's not right?

2382
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:21,720
Speaker 3: Well, you're you're in line with what I'm saying. I'm saying.

2383
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:24,599
Speaker 3: Maybe he's come to the realization that, you know, it's

2384
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:26,599
Speaker 3: just not worth it to keep making this. It's it's

2385
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 3: clear the promotion with love, if that belt goes back

2386
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:33,080
Speaker 3: around Marino, is waste for obvious reasons. So uh, try

2387
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 3: to you know, try to make it publicly as something

2388
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 3: it isn't to try to help himself any way he

2389
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 3: can and leverage. Maybe maybe that's the case, maybe not,

2390
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:42,880
Speaker 3: Maybe he's misguided, But I do agree with the spirit

2391
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:45,160
Speaker 3: of this question and his issue that you know, this

2392
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 3: is pretty curtuitous in terms of interim title placement. But

2393
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:50,080
Speaker 3: what are we know? What are we gonna do? Luke?

2394
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:52,960
Speaker 2: All right? Last, but not least, Fador has basically said

2395
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:55,240
Speaker 2: he is not interested in the Junior Do Santo's fight,

2396
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:57,799
Speaker 2: in part because of the losses that have accumulated. Most recently,

2397
01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 2: he was fighting Yorgan de Castro at Ego See and

2398
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:02,400
Speaker 2: his shoulder fell out of the socket when he was punching.

2399
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 2: We had talked about this. We see that they were

2400
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:06,519
Speaker 2: setting this up and even after the loss, being like,

2401
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 2: well he could still fight fad Or. Fad Or put

2402
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:11,479
Speaker 2: the fucking kaibosh on that. Gotta say, I don't blame

2403
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:13,320
Speaker 2: fad Or at all. I really really don't hear.

2404
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:16,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, over him's a better fight right now.

2405
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:18,840
Speaker 2: Well he's gotten a better Harry fight.

2406
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:21,320
Speaker 3: But yes, well, actually the real fight should be Anderst

2407
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 3: and Silva to catchway. But you know, I've just.

2408
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, I don't mind that fight for

2409
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:27,959
Speaker 2: like a go away fight, like one retirement.

2410
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 3: It's the it's kind of like him against Dan Hendo

2411
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 3: all over again, right, like that was the perfect catchway

2412
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 3: two legends. Let's go out there and brawl. You know,

2413
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:36,439
Speaker 3: this isn't really action.

2414
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 2: Do you think Bellator would be willing to give Silva

2415
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 2: a one fight deal?

2416
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 3: Hold Scott Koker about this behind the seats multiple times,

2417
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 3: you know, and he didn't shoot it down. But you're

2418
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 3: asking me, do I think they'd be willing to I

2419
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 3: would hope they would if they feel like they can

2420
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:52,840
Speaker 3: get the return for what it would cost. Look, it

2421
01:47:52,840 --> 01:47:53,640
Speaker 3: comes out of money at the.

2422
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 2: End of the day.

2423
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,840
Speaker 3: But but I would hope and want them to be

2424
01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:59,120
Speaker 3: interested in something like this, because when you're trying to

2425
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:00,680
Speaker 3: do a tent pole event or you want to put

2426
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:03,440
Speaker 3: the wrapper on and say, you know, this is Fador's

2427
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 3: go away fight. Oh, let's put him against the freaking

2428
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:08,360
Speaker 3: legend who's smaller and different, you know, a different. I mean,

2429
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:10,720
Speaker 3: it'd be a fit. It would be something you had

2430
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:12,519
Speaker 3: to see what it looked like. You do, you have

2431
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:13,640
Speaker 3: to see what that looks.

2432
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:17,040
Speaker 2: Like, Luke, I'd be curious. Now, I gotta tell you

2433
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 2: that Timothy Johnson win was a little bit bigger in

2434
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:21,200
Speaker 2: retrospect than we gave it credit. Not so much for

2435
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 2: what it means like, oh he's a relevant heavyweight again,

2436
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:25,080
Speaker 2: not so much that, but in terms of what makes

2437
01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:28,679
Speaker 2: you believe he can still do. Yeah, Like, obviously Anderson

2438
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 2: still is significantly different than tim Johnson, but just the

2439
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:33,680
Speaker 2: way in which he dispatched him, You're like, all right, man,

2440
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of tread left on those tires.

2441
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe there's something to be said for an escalation

2442
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:40,600
Speaker 2: at this point about in terms of name value and

2443
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 2: difficulty of an opponent. So yeah, that could be kind

2444
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 2: of fun. All right. See, that's all we got. It's

2445
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:45,559
Speaker 2: time for fan subs.

2446
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:48,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's close with this morningcombat at gmail dot com

2447
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:50,719
Speaker 3: is the email addressed where Mikey Mormile, our happy producer

2448
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:53,720
Speaker 3: from CBS Sports, will field your artwork, pictures of you

2449
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:55,680
Speaker 3: and tight T shirts. Whatever you got for us. This

2450
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:58,240
Speaker 3: is your chance to be the artist. This is called

2451
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:08,320
Speaker 3: fan submission. We've got mail viewers. Yeah, speaking of male viewers,

2452
01:49:08,360 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 3: let's start with Claudio. He says, Hello, MK team, this

2453
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 3: is my post. Hello donks, what can't wait? Can't believe

2454
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,479
Speaker 3: it's been three hundred plus episodes. I remember watching Luke

2455
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 3: Thomas is pissed a millennium ago. Let's bring it back already.

2456
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:26,160
Speaker 3: Ja ja jah. My name is Claudio Garcia and I'm

2457
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 3: writing to you for the first time from Mexico City.

2458
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:31,080
Speaker 3: I took Luke's advice and attended an m m A

2459
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:34,519
Speaker 3: regional show called Lux Fight League l us Oh.

2460
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 2: I know them, they air on they air here locally,

2461
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 2: believe it or not.

2462
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 3: And for fifty dollars, got the best seats in the building.

2463
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:42,799
Speaker 3: Pick one is me and my father. To my surprise,

2464
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 3: look whom I got to meet. Pick two is with

2465
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:52,680
Speaker 3: mos jorgeim Bosmidoll and pick three is hope to meet

2466
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:54,920
Speaker 3: you guys one day. Here's him and yah.

2467
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:57,599
Speaker 2: Here, Luke, that's cool man.

2468
01:49:57,960 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 3: Who's yah here? Who is that person?

2469
01:49:59,600 --> 01:49:59,760
Speaker 2: Luke?

2470
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rodriguez.

2471
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:02,720
Speaker 2: Yes. And by the way, it's not ja ja ja,

2472
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:03,519
Speaker 2: it's ha ha ha.

2473
01:50:04,160 --> 01:50:06,040
Speaker 3: I know that was my you know, that was my

2474
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 3: americanisms coming through. All right.

2475
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, that's awesome. I always tell people broth. By

2476
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:11,280
Speaker 2: the way, thanks of the pictures, and I'm glad you

2477
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 2: got to go and see these folks. I tell people, dude,

2478
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:15,720
Speaker 2: the best money you can buy for like the craziest

2479
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:19,040
Speaker 2: like outcome. Fifty bucks at a regional MMA show will

2480
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:21,000
Speaker 2: get you a pretty good seat and you will see

2481
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 2: some wild shit for real.

2482
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:24,800
Speaker 3: It was Claudio representing us, Luke, was there any There

2483
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:25,600
Speaker 3: was no MK gear on.

2484
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:27,400
Speaker 2: I didn't see any MK gear, but you know what,

2485
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:29,040
Speaker 2: he was shouting us out, so I appreciate him just

2486
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 2: the same.

2487
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, big much love out to Claudio Garcia out there

2488
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:34,200
Speaker 3: in Mexico. Big fan of you, Thank you, sir. This

2489
01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:37,200
Speaker 3: one's from Nick Luke. This guy's from my hometown. One

2490
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:39,240
Speaker 3: of the coolest guys around. This is what Nick said,

2491
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 3: good morning BC and Luke pretty cool. I made some art.

2492
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:43,920
Speaker 3: I thought i'd share it with you. I was listening

2493
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:47,040
Speaker 3: to the fiftieth anniversary edition of Grateful Dead's Europe seventy

2494
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:50,600
Speaker 3: two tour, specifically Morning Dew from the Lyceum, when this

2495
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:54,160
Speaker 3: idea popped into my head. I call it Grateful Donks.

2496
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 3: It's a watercolor painting and Naugatuck maroon and gray and

2497
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:00,599
Speaker 3: combines two of my favorite logos. It might look good

2498
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 3: on an MK drug rug. Hope you like it, Keep

2499
01:51:03,080 --> 01:51:06,439
Speaker 3: up the great work. Hashtag factory town MMA. Luke been

2500
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:09,720
Speaker 3: to many a concert with this guy, Nick. He liked

2501
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:12,439
Speaker 3: the delta Luke, it's very nice. And I actually I

2502
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:14,680
Speaker 3: was at a Bob Dylan concert the same one as him.

2503
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 3: We didn't even know each other. On Penn State shout

2504
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:18,280
Speaker 3: out to Nick Luke. You don't get down with the Dead,

2505
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:21,960
Speaker 3: but would you see this logo on the MK drug rugs?

2506
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 3: Should we get our j involved?

2507
01:51:23,560 --> 01:51:25,639
Speaker 2: I gotta say it's pretty great. I'm not gonna hate

2508
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:27,519
Speaker 2: at all. I like it now. The fist is the

2509
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:29,760
Speaker 2: kind of fist. If it's your fist, it should either

2510
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 2: be like painfully white or like a hue of red.

2511
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 2: But short of that, it's pretty awesome. I have to say,

2512
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:38,920
Speaker 2: that's really, really, really well.

2513
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:42,360
Speaker 3: Doug shout out to Nick. One time, Luke, Nick told

2514
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 3: me he could get me Radiohead tickets at Madison Square

2515
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:47,280
Speaker 3: Garden because you know, they like rarely tour in the US.

2516
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:49,880
Speaker 3: And it was like, oh four, and I had like

2517
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:52,200
Speaker 3: work the next morning at six am or something, and

2518
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:54,719
Speaker 3: I remember I said no, Luke, because it was super expensive.

2519
01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 3: I think that'll go down as the concert I most

2520
01:51:57,240 --> 01:51:59,160
Speaker 3: regret not going to look it probably would have changed

2521
01:51:59,200 --> 01:51:59,960
Speaker 3: my life. You know what I'm saying.

2522
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 2: It would not have changed your life, but I understand.

2523
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:05,880
Speaker 3: All right, thank you, Nick. Let's keep it rolling on here.

2524
01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 3: Let's go to JP.

2525
01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:07,479
Speaker 2: Luke.

2526
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 3: This Canadian guy is making a run in terms of

2527
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:12,519
Speaker 3: fan subs. He says, good day, I'm back at it

2528
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:15,680
Speaker 3: and as we know revealed this week on mk you

2529
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:18,000
Speaker 3: can forget about Triple C. We now have a new

2530
01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:22,120
Speaker 3: MKBC segment. It's not your random or typical segment. It's

2531
01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:25,280
Speaker 3: thick and dirty. It's hot and spicy with a smothering

2532
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:28,280
Speaker 3: of factory tom blended all up in there. It's BC's

2533
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:34,200
Speaker 3: Triples Super sloppy special Luke, check out these. He's got

2534
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 3: a new merch idea. He's got a poster and two

2535
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:41,960
Speaker 3: merch t shirts. God keep up the amazing award winning work.

2536
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 3: All you do is make it look easy. It's JP

2537
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 3: from Mount Unike Nova Scotia. Luke. Not only does this

2538
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:51,800
Speaker 3: segment have life, but these logos he created. RJ put

2539
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:54,439
Speaker 3: him on a sweatshirt or T shirt right now, brother,

2540
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 3: right the.

2541
01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:58,880
Speaker 2: Picture of you looking like you're kind of saluting like

2542
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:01,280
Speaker 2: a weirdo, and then the two thumbs up. These are

2543
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:04,360
Speaker 2: the exact same faces he makes when he scrolls Instagram.

2544
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:05,480
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.

2545
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:12,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, why does Carolina look like a hostage victim

2546
01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:12,800
Speaker 3: of that shot?

2547
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:13,080
Speaker 2: Luke?

2548
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 3: I don't know. All right, there we go, uh Luke,

2549
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:18,880
Speaker 3: that you know? I like him extra sloppy. Well done, Jay,

2550
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:20,640
Speaker 3: I hope we can turn this into merch. Believe me.

2551
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:23,759
Speaker 3: This from John. He's from Winchester, Virginia.

2552
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:26,200
Speaker 2: Luke. Do you know that area? Well, yeah, it's uh,

2553
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:29,840
Speaker 2: it's way the fuck out there. It's it's it's it's

2554
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 2: it's I wouldn't call it like country. Well yeah, it's country, bumpkin.

2555
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:35,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it's fucking right, He says, Hey, Luke and

2556
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:37,640
Speaker 3: co host, I've been experimenting with a new style of

2557
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:40,920
Speaker 3: mixed media art. Hope you enjoy this painting of Luke

2558
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:43,160
Speaker 3: on the a throw of the delta flay.

2559
01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:46,880
Speaker 2: Okay, here's what I'll say. Here's what I'll say. He

2560
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:50,800
Speaker 2: got the eyes right, he got the lower lip right,

2561
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:53,240
Speaker 2: but I don't know what happened to my nose?

2562
01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:56,880
Speaker 3: Are you getting lip injections? Luke? Like some comedians these days?

2563
01:53:57,120 --> 01:54:00,680
Speaker 2: Again, once again, you're Brendan Shob's number one fan. You

2564
01:54:00,760 --> 01:54:01,280
Speaker 2: are obsessed.

2565
01:54:01,320 --> 01:54:03,680
Speaker 3: No, no, no, at a lot of female comedians, Luke

2566
01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:04,679
Speaker 3: ts for beauty.

2567
01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:07,000
Speaker 2: No, I don't have a big ass fucking lip. I

2568
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:08,880
Speaker 2: don't you know. I'm born with this, you know, one

2569
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:11,679
Speaker 2: for better or for worse. Motherfuckers, this is what it is, dude.

2570
01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 3: Your grazer coming in at almost a Wolfman Jack level

2571
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:16,120
Speaker 3: right here, Luke, you should think about, you know, having

2572
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:17,839
Speaker 3: like yeah, like that's.

2573
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:20,640
Speaker 2: What you should worried about. Growing a beard there, your

2574
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:24,559
Speaker 2: twelve year old boy. I'm not less policing of my beard.

2575
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:25,439
Speaker 2: You grow one first.

2576
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:28,360
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't have to shave with shaving cream

2577
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:31,960
Speaker 3: before electric razers were a regular thing, folks. Okay, Oh, yes,

2578
01:54:32,040 --> 01:54:34,480
Speaker 3: I am that old. I didn't have to start using

2579
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:37,280
Speaker 3: the shaving cream until I was at least twenty Luke.

2580
01:54:37,720 --> 01:54:38,000
Speaker 2: Wow.

2581
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:42,200
Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, I could just go dry razor before that

2582
01:54:42,240 --> 01:54:44,280
Speaker 3: because there ain't nothing coming in Luke, except for that

2583
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:45,720
Speaker 3: time that I had that really good go tea for

2584
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:47,360
Speaker 3: that date I had and I had to wear the

2585
01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 3: band aid over it to cover at McDonald's leg you know,

2586
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:52,480
Speaker 3: you know that legendary story, Luke. Okay, that's the commitment

2587
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:54,440
Speaker 3: I'll go to for women, Luke. But now I'm a

2588
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:59,879
Speaker 3: one man woman. Okay, thank you. That was John from Winchester, Virginia,

2589
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:02,720
Speaker 3: Danger Mouse Luke. Wow. We always close with this guy

2590
01:55:02,720 --> 01:55:05,760
Speaker 3: because he brings it hig, BC, I'm back at it.

2591
01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:09,240
Speaker 3: And what a nice introduction you gave me last week. Yeah, yeah,

2592
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:12,280
Speaker 3: you're you're coming on, Bro. Almost makes me feel bad

2593
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 3: for what I'm about to do to you. Almost sort

2594
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 3: of a boxing theme this week, starting with how I

2595
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:23,920
Speaker 3: feel when the show is boxing heavy? Yep. And I

2596
01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:27,320
Speaker 3: know boxing is your first love BC, as does Luke,

2597
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:29,280
Speaker 3: which is why he called you out on Friday for

2598
01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:33,040
Speaker 3: having no quick hitters about MMA. Funny enough about twenty

2599
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:35,280
Speaker 3: minutes after I made this, Luke said that.

2600
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:41,560
Speaker 2: Blow this one up. Oh it's a cat in a

2601
01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:43,200
Speaker 2: yeah dogs.

2602
01:55:43,200 --> 01:55:46,120
Speaker 3: Homeless cat and hiding there in the in the husky hat.

2603
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:49,040
Speaker 3: I like that. And finally Luke made a suggestion about

2604
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:51,560
Speaker 3: the types of fights Brian Campbell Promotions would make. First

2605
01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:54,840
Speaker 3: of all, it's Factory Town promotions. Thank you or yeah,

2606
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:59,200
Speaker 3: I've made it. Really, I've made it a reality and

2607
01:55:59,240 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 3: given your company your favorite classy font. I can't wait

2608
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 3: to see this fight. It's Godzilla versus butter Bean hungry

2609
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:08,040
Speaker 3: for revenge. Bro.

2610
01:56:08,360 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 2: That is fucking amazing. Also, I didn't really mention it,

2611
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:12,919
Speaker 2: but you can see it here where it's Brian Campbell Productions,

2612
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:15,760
Speaker 2: like in the pornhob style. So, dude, yesterday I wore

2613
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:18,120
Speaker 2: that MK shirt and I swear to god, man, I

2614
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:20,040
Speaker 2: need to now, I need to think about it because

2615
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:22,160
Speaker 2: twice it's happened where I just peel it off the

2616
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:25,040
Speaker 2: top of the racket and I wear it that day. Dude,

2617
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 2: three different people stop me to tell me. And when

2618
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:30,080
Speaker 2: I got to go and get a haircut, the dude

2619
01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:32,240
Speaker 2: behind the counter was like, I like your shirt, man,

2620
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:33,400
Speaker 2: And I didn't know if he was an MK fan

2621
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:35,560
Speaker 2: or not, And I was like, oh yeah, thanks bro,

2622
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:38,320
Speaker 2: and then he goes, he goes. I definitely have no

2623
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:41,360
Speaker 2: idea what the font comes from. I've never seen it before,

2624
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:44,080
Speaker 2: like in a very exaggerated kind of way. Dude, that

2625
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:46,520
Speaker 2: shirt I wear any other MK shirt. No one says

2626
01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:50,080
Speaker 2: a fucking word that one. I get stopped all the time.

2627
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:52,400
Speaker 3: I'm sure every conversation is you an MK fan?

2628
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:56,320
Speaker 2: No? I just know I you could ask my wife

2629
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:59,040
Speaker 2: you'll meet her when you come down. I never ever

2630
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:01,080
Speaker 2: bring that up, ever asked about it. I don't care

2631
01:57:01,080 --> 01:57:02,560
Speaker 2: about that that kind of stuff, but it was funny

2632
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:03,440
Speaker 2: that people stop me for it.

2633
01:57:04,160 --> 01:57:07,240
Speaker 3: All right, all right, Morningcombat at gmail dot com. Once

2634
01:57:07,240 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 3: again your email address to reach out to us. Thank you, folks, fantastic.

2635
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:13,280
Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone's ever gonna beat David Appleton's

2636
01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:17,240
Speaker 3: most recent video, Luke, I mean, will we vote for

2637
01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:21,400
Speaker 3: Dank of the year. You know he's in that debate

2638
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:23,360
Speaker 3: right now? Okay, I mean, where the hell's Damien Ben?

2639
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:25,880
Speaker 3: The guy got attacked? We never heard from him again, Luke.

2640
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Probably, I don't

2641
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:34,280
Speaker 2: want to say, you know what it is, all right, BC.

2642
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:36,560
Speaker 2: One of remind folks you can catch BC. You will

2643
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:38,160
Speaker 2: be on the show on Friday, right, even though you're

2644
01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:39,600
Speaker 2: gonna be in upstate New York.

2645
01:57:40,040 --> 01:57:42,440
Speaker 3: I will be on Friday's MK from the hotel room. Luke,

2646
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:43,480
Speaker 3: got that McDonald's WiFi.

2647
01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:45,400
Speaker 2: Let's do it. That's gonna be fun. But either way,

2648
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:48,440
Speaker 2: you can catch Brian on Friday night on Showtime. And

2649
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:51,000
Speaker 2: if you don't have Showtime, great opportunity to start getting

2650
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:53,040
Speaker 2: it showtime dot Com. You get a thirty day free trial.

2651
01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:54,040
Speaker 2: If you like it, you can keep it. If not,

2652
01:57:54,160 --> 01:57:56,400
Speaker 2: you can bounce and you can see Brian. What nine

2653
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:59,080
Speaker 2: pm start in the East? I believe. I think that's right.

2654
01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:02,560
Speaker 3: I think that's right. It's from from Verona, New York,

2655
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:04,720
Speaker 3: the Turning Stone Casino, which of course is one exit

2656
01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:08,120
Speaker 3: away from Conna Stoda. Luke in the International Boxing Hall

2657
01:58:08,120 --> 01:58:10,720
Speaker 3: of Fame. So tune in for the young prospects, tune

2658
01:58:10,760 --> 01:58:13,280
Speaker 3: in for BC, but tune in. That's gonna be a

2659
01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:15,120
Speaker 3: crowd full of Hall of famers, Luke, this is gonna

2660
01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:17,560
Speaker 3: be the most incredible, you know, Hall of Fame weekend.

2661
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:19,680
Speaker 3: I hear. Look, I've always heard it's like one of

2662
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:23,320
Speaker 3: those fun grassroots weekends, go out drinking and all your

2663
01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:25,400
Speaker 3: boxing legends are sitting, you know, standing right there next

2664
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:28,440
Speaker 3: to you, telling stories. But to have this many classes

2665
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:30,120
Speaker 3: going in this should be fun. I wish you look.

2666
01:58:30,160 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 3: I wish you were there with me.

2667
01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:34,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I wish I was there as well, but I'm not.

2668
01:58:34,920 --> 01:58:37,880
Speaker 2: So there you go, h okay. We mentioned it before

2669
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:40,480
Speaker 2: Morningcombat dot store for all the merch, including the pornhub

2670
01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:43,400
Speaker 2: shirt kind of thing looking thing that gets me a

2671
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:47,600
Speaker 2: lot of weird stairs and awkward compliments, there's that as well,

2672
01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:48,680
Speaker 2: but of course you can get the hat and a

2673
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:50,000
Speaker 2: whole lot of it. I don't know when the bomber

2674
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 2: jackets are going to go on sale, but we'll let

2675
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:54,240
Speaker 2: you know when they do. The Legitimately, my wife actually

2676
01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:56,960
Speaker 2: liked them, so that tells you. Wow. I know, I

2677
01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:59,000
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. She's like, I really like those. I

2678
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:01,000
Speaker 2: was like, oh shit, okay, great, this is gonna be good.

2679
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:03,560
Speaker 2: And then, of course, thanks to our sponsor ag one

2680
01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:06,040
Speaker 2: and anything else, oh Morning Combat at gmail dot com

2681
01:59:06,440 --> 01:59:08,600
Speaker 2: to get us to Friday's dead wrong. If you want

2682
01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 2: to reach the show, that's the show email, and of

2683
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:12,920
Speaker 2: course you can give us a follow on social as well.

2684
01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:15,000
Speaker 2: One more plug we see, if I may. We put

2685
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:17,360
Speaker 2: it out very early, but it's relevant now because this

2686
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:19,720
Speaker 2: is fight week. If you've not seen the Glover to

2687
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 2: share a room service diaries, really strongly encourage you to

2688
01:59:23,120 --> 01:59:24,840
Speaker 2: do that. It's the best chat I've ever had with him.

2689
01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:26,520
Speaker 2: I've been covering him a long time. I think BCU

2690
01:59:26,520 --> 01:59:28,480
Speaker 2: would agree if you didn't get a chance to watch

2691
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:30,480
Speaker 2: it when it first came out. What no time like

2692
01:59:30,520 --> 01:59:32,440
Speaker 2: the present. And we do, of course talk about the

2693
01:59:32,520 --> 01:59:34,160
Speaker 2: Approhatchka fight in that interview, do we.

2694
01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:38,200
Speaker 3: Not absolutely here his backstory here? You know, really all

2695
01:59:38,240 --> 01:59:40,839
Speaker 3: we got here, not just in terms of the travel

2696
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:43,200
Speaker 3: and the journey, but how he's been able to do

2697
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 3: this at this age. And I mean he's a man. Look,

2698
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:47,520
Speaker 3: he's he's really like and this is the best thing

2699
01:59:47,560 --> 01:59:49,560
Speaker 3: anytime you can meet a famous person and everybody's like,

2700
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:51,560
Speaker 3: oh no, he's really down to earth. He's a great person.

2701
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:52,240
Speaker 2: Dude.

2702
01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:55,760
Speaker 3: Glover is literally that badass old guy nighbor you have

2703
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:58,120
Speaker 3: next door, who can fix anything with his bare hands

2704
01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:00,520
Speaker 3: and always has a fresh cold beer on one hand,

2705
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:02,520
Speaker 3: and like, would you know, give you the shirt off

2706
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:04,440
Speaker 3: his back if you needed it? In that moment, like,

2707
02:00:04,720 --> 02:00:08,320
Speaker 3: I could not endorse sitting through that conversation anymore, just

2708
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:10,560
Speaker 3: to see, you know, a fine human being at work.

2709
02:00:10,640 --> 02:00:12,680
Speaker 3: So and I was talking about myself. Clover is pretty

2710
02:00:12,680 --> 02:00:13,360
Speaker 3: good as well in that one.

2711
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:15,720
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, But if you haven't seen the Lover

2712
02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:18,000
Speaker 2: to Share interview, really really strongly encourage you to do that.

2713
02:00:18,040 --> 02:00:19,520
Speaker 2: I think you will like it a lot. All right,

2714
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:22,800
Speaker 2: So for Malka for showtime, For Brian Campbell, I'm Luke

2715
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:25,880
Speaker 2: Thomas and all of the MK crew. We appreciate you watching.

2716
02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:28,000
Speaker 2: We'll catch you on Friday, and until then, may all

2717
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:29,280
Speaker 2: of your gains be loyal