1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Ron and you can never assume and diagnosis. That's the problem. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: You've got to do things step by step. It's painstaking 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: the time, the Car Doctor, I have a full three 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: Lincoln cound car that making a grumbling noise. One it's 5 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: about forty five miles goes the shift up. If you 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: tap the brake pedal, does the problem go away? Actually? 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: Love the Welcome to the radio home of Ron and 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: Ana the Car Doctor, since this is where car owners 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 11 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: the phone and call in. The garage doors are open, 12 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: but I am here to take your palls at eight 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: five five five six and now he running got a 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: new car in the dry way. Do you do you 15 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: like it? Do you enjoy driving it? Is? It? Is 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,279 Speaker 1: it everything to you? You know? Is it? Oh my gosh, 17 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: I sit in this car. I'm gonna keep this car forever. 18 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: I love it so much. I'm really going to keep 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: this one a long time. Ain't not gonna happen. So 20 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: if you recall over the years I've been talking to 21 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: you about, you know, the influx of chips and computers 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: and electronics and what that's gonna do to the automobile. 23 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: And if you recall over the summer, I was at 24 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: the local deli here in town at Wilkes and somebody 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: pulled it in a brand new mid engine Corvette and 26 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: everybody was owing on and somebody asked me in my opinion, 27 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: I said, hey, it's very nice. What are you gonna 28 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: do in ten years when you need an electronic computer board, 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: you need some sort of something electronic that they don't 30 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: make anymore, can't make anymore, It can't possibly keep up 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: with maybe a little dramatic. El Dorado came into the 32 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: shop this week, actually two weeks ago. We took me 33 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: a little while to get to it and to strategize 34 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: how I wanted to really approach the problem. And I 35 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: really nice car, you know, the Eldos were just a 36 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: nice two door Cadillac, long nose, elegant. You know that 37 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: that that luxury coupe that you could go out to 38 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: dinner with on a Saturday night with your date and 39 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: nobody else, and just just a nice overall vehicle. And 40 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: this one's a very nice example of it. A night 41 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: Eldo forty one thousand miles on it, just about jet black, 42 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: you know, sharp as as sharp as attack. Just a 43 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: nice car, but it's got this issue where you're driving 44 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: it and all of a sudden, the service stability Traction 45 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: Control ABS warning lights come on and you're staring at 46 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: these three lights on the dashboard and what do you do? Well? 47 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: The customer originally took it to the dealer, his local 48 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: dealer where he lives over in eastern Bergen County, and 49 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: they went and diagnosed it. And I guess, you know, 50 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: maybe they had a young tech on it. Nothing against 51 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: young text, but I don't know, maybe he didn't know 52 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: what he was doing, because nothing I saw give me 53 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: any indication that he had a clue what was going on. 54 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: And I read the paperwork, and the paperwork said diagnosed 55 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: service stability traction control light on. No mention of fault 56 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: codes being said, no mention of codes being retrieved, no 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: diagnostic steps being indicated. What was done? It was just 58 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: that found corroded connector, left rear wheel speed sensor, dielectric 59 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: grease same if condition returns, will need to replace connector 60 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: and left rear wheel hub. Okay, well, the left rear 61 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: wheel hub isn't exactly the the easiest piece to find. 62 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: But the customer went out and found that he wanted 63 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: a GM part, and he found one, paid a lot 64 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: of money for it, and he brought me the car 65 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: hub and all. Because the dealer was not really building 66 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: confidence in him. He said, he just didn't get that warm, 67 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: rosy feeling. And I understand that. You know, listen, when 68 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: it comes to fixing cars, you've got to be confident. 69 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: You know. Now, I don't always say, hey, this is 70 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: a guarantee. I'll tell you if it's not a guarantee, 71 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: I'll tell you if this is my best guest for 72 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: whatever reason, I've got to make that guest because of 73 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: a variety of circumstances. Because not every diagnosed this this 74 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: clear cut, okay, but you try to make as many 75 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: of them as as you can as possible clear cut. 76 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: And that's how you get to the top of the game. 77 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: So I looked and read everything that was written, which 78 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: risen a whole lot, and I decided, let me approach 79 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: this my way. What's my way? Where do I start started? 80 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: Step one? Like I always tell you guys, you know, 81 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: if there's one through seven steps or one through six steps. 82 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: You start at one and work your way forward. Drove 83 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: the car duplicated the condition. Finally got the condition to 84 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: duplicate yep, turned on the service stability traction light. Went 85 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: back and looked at codes, the same code that I 86 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: have found when I first went in Charlie, even which 87 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, you wonder how the programmers write it, because 88 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: they come up with a fault code and then it 89 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: says left rear wheel speed sensors signal and or other 90 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: signal variation found. Now what does that mean? Either it's 91 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: the left ear wheel speed sensor signal or it's all 92 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: the sensors. There's there's one sensor per wheel, four sensors. 93 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: Tell me is that the left rear, the right rear 94 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: or left front the right front? Which one is it? 95 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: But we're gonna work on C because that seems to 96 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: be the strongest indicator of what the programmer had in 97 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: mind when he was worried about this particular fault. So 98 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: I went about and said, gee, now I have to 99 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: prove how do I prove this sensor is good, better 100 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: and different on a very intermittent problem that's difficult to 101 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: get the show up. I could have sculped it I 102 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: surely could have scoped it. I could have gone down 103 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: to the A B S controller, which is buried behind 104 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: the front of the radiator, down to the left side 105 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: of the engine compartment in the most awful place, because 106 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: that's where I put it. If I was a GM engineer, 107 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: why not put it up there in the We're wind 108 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: streaming the air stream of the slop of the radiator 109 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: and the roads mush as you're driving down the snow 110 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: covered roads, and it all gets stuck up and it 111 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: keeps whacking away against this computer control module, because that 112 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: would make sense, because why would you want the car 113 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: to last? No, I didn't want to do that because 114 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: that's kind of messy and sloppy, and you're probably gonna 115 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: be worried more about accurate connections. And I could have 116 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: gone back to the wheel speed sensor and tied in 117 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: there and then ran wires up into the vehicle and 118 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: gone for a ride with the scope. But I probably 119 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: would have been driving around for a while to get 120 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: the problem to happen, and that just didn't appeal to me. Again, 121 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: connections and wiring and keeping things out of the way 122 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: of the moving tires. At forty I went back to 123 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: connector for twelve. I took a wiring diagram, and I 124 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: read the wiring diagram, and they told me there's a 125 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: connector for twelve somewhere in the back of the car. 126 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: And I went to that connector for twelve, and sure enough, 127 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: see four twelve is mounted right to the rear suspension 128 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: cross member, and there's four wires two from the left 129 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: censor too from the right sensor. And I thought about it, 130 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: and I said, well, what if I do this. What 131 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: if I take the two wires from the left sensor 132 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: at the connector and coming out the other side of 133 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: the connector. What if I flip them and I make 134 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: the two lefts feed the right track going forward and 135 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: the two rights feed the left track going forward. I've 136 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: effectively crossed the sensors in the harness. And now I'm 137 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: I know the right rear sensor is good, so if 138 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: I've got a bad left rear hub, I should come 139 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: up with a C eleven eight, which is a bad 140 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: right rear sensor. To prove that I was wired correctly, 141 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: I I hooked up a scan tool, put it in 142 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: graph mode up in the air, and spun the left 143 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: rear wheel with my wires reversed at connector four twelve, 144 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: and with the wheel turning, the scan tool showed me 145 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: movement at the right rear censor because it thought the 146 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: left rear was the right rear. It doesn't know any better. 147 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: I proved my point. I did the same thing for 148 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: the left I have good signal. They're both wired, they're 149 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: both reading. Let's go for a rod. I went for 150 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: a ride and finally got the problem to happen again. 151 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: And the beauty of this was I wasn't in any darrest. 152 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't worried about wires hanging and dangling and running 153 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: into anything. It was just a nice secure way to 154 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: do it. Just switch the wires, switch the feeds, and 155 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: it set us even, which tells me, since it's the 156 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: same fault, and now I'm using a known, good right 157 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: rear sensor and circuit up to connector four twelve, my 158 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: problem is not in the back of the car. The 159 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: dealer in the tech it wrong. They're not. They're not 160 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: being forthright and honest and forthcoming. How could that be? 161 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: Ineptitude and order repair just really frust to me, It 162 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: really does. So now I've got to go forward. Now 163 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: I've got to work on. It's either in the wiring 164 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: harness from that connector going forward to the front of 165 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: the car, or it's the actual A B S control 166 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: module assembly itself, or the connector at the A B 167 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: S control module. It could be one of those three, 168 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: likely the A B S control module. They were common 169 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: to fail in this manner. Here's the problem. Before I 170 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: spend any more diagnostic money, I called the customer to 171 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: explain the situation to him, and I had already done 172 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: the research, and I said, I've done the research. This 173 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: part does not exist. And it's a shame because it's 174 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: a nice forty mile example of a nine El Dorado. 175 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: There's no reman, there's no autoparts available, there's there's used 176 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: stuff if you can find the exact module. Because the 177 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: other thing that made it a problem was when Joe's 178 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: uncle all Right I bought the carb new and Joe 179 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: went with him to buy the car new. I found 180 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: that later on. That's how long the car has been 181 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: in the family. They put every option under the sun. 182 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: So this has you know, there was one of two 183 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: possible A B S control modules available for this car, 184 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: and this has the one loaded with all the very 185 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: rare options for stability control, attraction control, tilt, flush, left, 186 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: right turn, all the good stuff doesn't exist anywhere. What 187 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: do you do? What are you gonna do? So? How 188 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: valuable is that car that you love in the driveway 189 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: laden with electronics? Electronics are going to be the death 190 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: of the car. And I guess that's the point of 191 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: the story. I mean, there's a lot of points here. Um. 192 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: You know, Joe went to a repair shop and they 193 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: lied to him, and I you know what, it happens 194 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: all the time. I hate to say it, but it did. 195 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: They lied to him. You know. I even had his cousin, Mike, 196 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: come down and Mike is my regular customer, bringing Joe in, saying, hey, 197 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: pack it to ron Ronald fix it. And I showed 198 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: Mike the connector for the left rear wheel speed censor 199 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: that was supposedly dielectric, greased and corroded, and it looks 200 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: brand new, there's nothing wrong with it. I showed him 201 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: the left ear, I showed him the right rear. I 202 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: ran through the whole thing with MIKEY said, yeah, it 203 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: makes perfect sense. He goes, it's not the sensors, No, 204 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: it's not. It's it's a part we can't get. What 205 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: do you do? You know? I'm not saying get rid 206 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: of the old car. I'm not saying don't buy a 207 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: new one. I'm just saying you've got to be aware 208 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: that all these things now have finite value. The older 209 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: cars are always going to be worth more in my mind, 210 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: because they're very mechanical, they're very rebuildable. And you're going 211 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: to see that going forward, I think, because you're gonna 212 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: see an awful lot of Oh, I just bought a 213 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: new this or that, and then ten or fifteen years, Hey, 214 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: I can't get parts for it, and I guess what, Um, 215 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's no good. I went out last night. 216 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: I was I was surfing the web and I was 217 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: looking at I was looking at um just for ideas. 218 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of, maybe it's time to get rid of 219 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: the Explorer again. I keep coming around to this, nothing 220 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: wrong with it. It runs great, my eight Explore, but 221 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's just time to move on to 222 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: something else. And I looked at a twenty twenty three 223 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: Chevy Tahoe High Country eight thousand dollars. I just almost 224 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: fell off my chair. Uh number one number two. I 225 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: started reading the option list. That has magnetic ride shock 226 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: absorbers and the magnetic ride shock absorbers or GMS highline 227 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: shock absorber system that adds a couple of thousand dollars 228 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: to the vehicle. And all I can think about was 229 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: that Cadillac. Because I said, you know, in in ten 230 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: or twelve years or fifteen years, depending on how long 231 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: you keep a vehicle, and I tend to keep a 232 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: vehicle a long time, you're not gonna be able to 233 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: find those parts, and if you do, they're gonna be 234 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: prohibitively expensive and make fixing the car not worthwhile. So 235 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: I guess part of this takeaways we kick off this 236 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: hour of the Car Doctor is just how many options 237 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: do you want on a car? And are they really 238 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: worth it? Do they really pay dividends in the long run? 239 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: Stuff to think about? Eight five zero nine zero zero. 240 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: I'm are on an any of the Car Doctor. I'll 241 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: be here to fix your problem right after this. Don't 242 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: go away. He drives that way. But when it comes 243 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: to fixing cars, Ron has card advice done right. Eight 244 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: five five five zero nine nine zero zero. Here's Ron. Hey, 245 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: let's get over to Iowa and talk to Joe. Is 246 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: it to fifty or and f three fifty Joe. Okay, 247 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: and what engines in this? Uh? Okay, what's going on 248 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: with it? So? Um, so what's going on? It's got 249 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: two fuel tanks and when he drives it, well even 250 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: have it doesn't even have to be driven. Actually you 251 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: can just sit there, but you'll have fuel coming out 252 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: of the back tank to fuel mack and stuff. When 253 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: it's running off the front pardon, when it's running off 254 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: the front tank, the front. I haven't seen anything on 255 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: the front, no, no, no, But when it's when it's 256 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: is it when it's running off the front tank or 257 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: when it's running off the rear tank, running up front tank, 258 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's my kids truck. I don't think 259 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: he switches to the back tank. I think he's always 260 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: on the front. Okay. So so the rear tank is 261 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: over filling when he's running on the front tank, I believe. So, okay, 262 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: that's what's going on, all right? Anybody trying to diagnose 263 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: this and he attempts to repair No, no, I I 264 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: had talked to somebody here, um a week ago or so, 265 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: and I haven't even looked at it myself, but he 266 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: was telling me that Ford had a recall on that year, 267 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: you know, about installing some check vowels to remedy the 268 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: problems this problem. They apparently had a problem with it, 269 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: you know, back then. And I don't even know. I 270 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: haven't been underneath it to see you. And if there's 271 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: checks album installed on it, well the issue becomes or 272 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: let's let's address the potential recall, because yes, there was something, 273 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: and we're talking six years ago. So before we all 274 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: work on work on our fuzzy memory, let's let's just 275 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: go to n h t s A dot gov National 276 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: Highway Traffic Safety Authority dot of website, plugging the seventeen 277 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: digit vent of the vehicle. N h t s A. 278 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: I'm not here, I'm not hearing very well. N h 279 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: t s A dot gov. H s A dot gov. Right, 280 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: and you'll be able to plug in the the seventeen 281 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: digit VN and it will tell you if there are 282 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: any open recoils on that vehicle. All right. I don't 283 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: believe there is a time limit. I believe once a 284 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: recoil is established, it stays at NITZA until it's resolved. 285 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: If it does exist, alright, NITZA. NITZA runs the same 286 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: information the manufacturers feed the information to NITZA. You could 287 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: also run it past your dealer, but I think you're 288 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: gonna get the same answer you get from Nitze as 289 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: you do from the dealer because the tube work off 290 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: the same database. All right, That's that's number one on 291 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: the probability that this isn't a recalled vehicle. You probably 292 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: have a problem with one of the in tank fuel pumps, 293 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: probably the front, Okay, each right, the fuel pumps themselves 294 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: have check valves in them, and there's a series of 295 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: tests that when you switch from front to back or 296 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: back to front, there's a divert valve that allows fuel 297 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: to bypass and return back to the other tank. Because 298 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: that other pump is still running. They run that pump 299 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: whether the vehicle is, whether the vehicles running off that 300 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: tank or not. Think about it, if you're doing sixty 301 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: down the down the Thruway and you decide to switch 302 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: to the other tank, it's got to be instantaneous, right, 303 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: So they can't they can't worry about priming the rail 304 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: and turning the pump on, and you know, well the 305 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: truck hickup or sputter, so that pump is always running. 306 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: So this is gonna be a game of either the 307 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: divert valve has an issue and it's putting fuel worth 308 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: not supposed to or the check valve from the one 309 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: pump is feeding to the wrong place. Do you have 310 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: any diagnostic paperwork on a on a procedural step for this, Joe, Um, 311 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: I haven't looked up anything up to be honest with you. Okay, 312 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: if you want, send me an email Ron at card 313 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: Doctor show dot com. And I know exactly, I know 314 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: exactly where my procedure is. Like I've got something stored, 315 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: I've I've got it out of identified years ago and 316 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: i still have it and I'll be glad to email 317 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: it to you. And uh, you know it was. It 318 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: was a step by step checking fuel pressure and looking 319 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: at and explaining the probabilities of things. Okay, I bet 320 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: if he switches and goes to the rear tank he 321 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: doesn't have the problem. If he yeah, I see, I 322 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: don't ever think I think he never switches and goes 323 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: to the rear tank and front tank. Yeah, go to 324 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: the rear tank. That's the first step. And see what 325 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: that does for you, right, See if the problem stops, 326 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: and that will that tells me that the problem is 327 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: likely in the front. But let's one step at a time. 328 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: One step, all right, The fuel pumps about the same. 329 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: They both have check valuls. Yeah, both identical, Both identical 330 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: pumps pumps yea. To my knowledge, they were both identical pumps. 331 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And I was thinking them check th outs 332 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: as the nfl I was talking about. I I just 333 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: assume that they were check thouts in the lines that 334 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: they installed or something. Now the check the check valve 335 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: is actually built into the pump or the pump module assembly. 336 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: Now the pumps are the same, but it may not 337 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: be that the module. You know, the pump sits on 338 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: a on a sending unit and they call that a 339 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: fuel pump module. The fuel pump modules may be different. 340 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: So my point is, if I recall correctly, you could 341 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: go out and buy just the fuel pump itself and 342 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: change that and that has the check valve in it, 343 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: if I remember right, I need to do a little 344 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: research on that to go back to twenty five years 345 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: and be certain. But you know, you the problem is 346 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: going to be you probably can't buy the fuel pump module. 347 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: You probably can't get a complete sending unit a sender, 348 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: but you may you may not um. If they do 349 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: offer that and you go through the pain of lowering 350 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: the tank, whether it's the front of the back, I 351 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: would tell you to do the whole fuel pump driver 352 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: module assembly because of the age of the truck. So 353 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: sit tight, Joe. I know you had a second question. 354 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: Let me let me let me just pull over and 355 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,719 Speaker 1: take a pause. When we come back, we'll get back 356 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: to you for your second question and then move on. 357 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm on any of the Car Doctor. We'll be back 358 00:18:22,200 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: right after this. Don't go away. Welcome back running into 359 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. Joe from Mayowa. You're still there, Joe. Yeah, 360 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: so you had a second question, had a second question? Yeah, so, um, Well, 361 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: on the email, just it's Ron at Car Doctor show 362 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: dot com. Correct, just ask for information on that. Yeah, 363 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: just just reference, just reference our phone call. It'll come 364 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: right to me and I'll forward to something in the 365 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: form of a PDF. Okay, that'd be great. So my 366 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: other question is, my wife's got a two thousand and 367 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: twelve Chevy Cruise and the de frost isn't We're not 368 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: getting the air out of the frost. So I finally 369 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: looked at the darn thing yesterday and uh, and you 370 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: can push the buttons, you know, on the controls to 371 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: go from you know, like floor to the frost or 372 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: you know, the different positions you can go, and I can't. 373 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: You'd hardly get any air movement out of the frost 374 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: by the wind windshield. So I was wondering, you know, 375 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: if it's that motor out there, if you can, if 376 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: you have to tear the dash out of that car 377 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: to get to it, or can you access it, you know, 378 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 1: from maybe the glove box or something like that. I 379 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: believe on a twelve you can. The only way you 380 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: can get to any of this is to remove the 381 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: instrument cluster. And the other thing to be aware of 382 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: is it may be the actuator. It is probably broken 383 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: linkage that the actuator moves. Okay, there's there's a there's 384 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: a plastic cam and linkage there that's prone to failure 385 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: and that's probably the failure itself. And to get to that, 386 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: to my knowledge, you have to pull the instrument panel 387 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: out and all that stuff. Well, I'm talking the whole carrier. 388 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: You've got to get to the heater case on the 389 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: right side of the car, the right the right side. Yeah, 390 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: it should be it should be over on the right side, 391 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: if I recall correctly, correctly. Okay, so he kind of 392 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: lost me, So it's not it's not. I mean, you 393 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: don't take the dash out. You take the dash out, 394 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: remove remove instrument people first step. Yeah. Yeah, so that's right. 395 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: That's a job. You know. What you could do is, 396 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: um spend I think it's I think it's less than 397 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: fifty bucks. Go out to all Data dot com and 398 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: buy a d I Y subscription for this car for 399 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: the year. All right, it's it's I haven't looked in 400 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: a while. It could be fifty it could be seventy 401 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: five dollars. It's money well spent. They offer d I 402 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: Y subscriptions and you'll get the same factory information that 403 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: a repair shop would get, and you could read the 404 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: procedure on removing that instrument cluster. That'll that'll pay for 405 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: itself in many different ways than you can imagine if 406 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: you're working on this car in a regular basis, and 407 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: it sounds like you're a kind of guy that works 408 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: on cars. So uh so, um, what all data Just 409 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: if you just just Google search all data, d i 410 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: Y all Data Information, All Data dot com and then 411 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: they have a do it yourself version where they tailor 412 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 1: it down and they'll nick it down to where you 413 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: can just buy a subscription for your twelve crews or 414 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: your to fifty, but leave it's two separate subscriptions that 415 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: you would buy, but you would have factory information. Okay, 416 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: all right, so just a low cost alternative. You know, 417 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: YouTube and Google are great, but nothing there is certified 418 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: or authorized. So if the guy you're looking at is 419 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: a dope, you're following bad information. I see, Yeah, I 420 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: haven't really done much. I've been busy on houses and 421 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: you know my house, and and they'd be like the 422 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: three roasts this year. So I've just had too much 423 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: to do. And you know, that may be a job 424 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: that you want to let the pro handle, but you know, 425 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: whether it's an actuat or whether it's linkage, or whether 426 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: something's out of calibration. But usually if something's out of calibration, 427 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: that means one of the other two pieces are broken 428 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: or not working. So you know that's that's that's not 429 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: for the faint of right controlled handle. You know, when 430 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: you push the different buttons, the LED lights up there 431 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: right because electrically, electrically everything is working. It's just a 432 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: question or a matter of it's electrically working. Mechanically, it's not, 433 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: and that's preventing it from, you know, moving the door 434 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: and doing what it's supposed to do. So go look 435 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: at those things. And like I said, if you even 436 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: information about the F two fifty, send me an email. 437 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: I'll be glad to shoot you some of what I've 438 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: got so you'd be well. Joe and I appreciate the 439 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: call Alan Maryland hanging on their ninety nine Nie on CenTra. 440 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: How can I help you today? He'll hi, Ron, thanks 441 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: for taking my call. And automotive education every week. Welcome 442 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: Buddy Center A two hundred sixty thousand miles. As you 443 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: would say, just broken in runs well, but it's developed 444 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: a weird issue. It's a distributor ignition and the little 445 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: bolt that holds the rotor onto the distributor shaft keeps 446 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: coming loose, and of course when that happens, the rotor 447 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: starts flopping around and the cards eyes. This has happened 448 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: to me twice. It's left me by the side of 449 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: the road. I take off the distributor cap and the 450 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: little boat falls down onto the floor. I don't know 451 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: what's causing this. Thing to come loose. The boat looks fine, 452 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: the treads aren't worn. There's a little split washer on it. 453 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: The split washer looks fine. You know one edge is 454 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: higher than the other. The treads on the distributor shamp 455 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: look okay. When you tighten it, it seems fine. But 456 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: this has now happened twice, and um, have you ever 457 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: seen something like this? No, But what I would think 458 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: about doing is and not not to do lock tight. 459 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: I wouldn't use lock tight in this case because I 460 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: don't want to do that. That'll that'll put it on 461 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: there permanently forever, and we don't want to do that. 462 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: Won't do that. But how about a dab of liquid teflon? 463 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,479 Speaker 1: White white, white, liquid teflon. It's gotta be liquid teflon. 464 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: If you read the contents of perma text liquid teflon, 465 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: Somewhere in there it mentions it's got a certain portion 466 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: of a lock tight lock like compound, and it will 467 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: it's not going to permanently lock it. But when I 468 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: want to keep something in place that I suspect is 469 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: loosening up for a reason that I don't know yet, 470 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: lock tight lock, I'm not lock tight. I'm sorry. Look 471 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: with teflon is my go to. And yeah, and white 472 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: or actual grease or something thick grease wouldn't be a 473 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: good idea. Well, thick grease has got no lock in compound. 474 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: Liquid teflon is actually gonna dry and become chalk like, 475 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: and it will provide substance if the threads are worn't 476 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: even though you may not be able to see it, 477 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: or if there's if there's something striking it. The other 478 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: thing I would do is I would take a little 479 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: bit of that liquid teflon, put it, I mean a 480 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: tiny drop on the threads, and I would put a 481 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: little dab around the head of the screw and let 482 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: it set. When you see, when you see the properties 483 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: of liquid teflon, you'll understand what I'm saying. Um. Once it, 484 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: once it drives in contact, it becomes I don't want 485 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: to say rubbery like, and I don't want to say 486 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: gooey it. It just forms a solid lock of the 487 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: device to the other. It's really designed to seal threads. 488 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: We use it on drain plugs, on oil pans sometimes, 489 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: or transplants, things like that, but it's got a certain 490 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: locking element to it. We use it all the time 491 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: on water pump bolts that go into water jackets, and 492 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: it helps it helps lock up and provide a seal, 493 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: but it allows removal because it's not really a thread 494 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: locking compound. All right, it's it's it's it's more like 495 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: a glue, but it is. Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. 496 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 1: Any other parts store should have it absolutely all right. 497 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: If you can't find it, you shoot me an email 498 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: rohnic Card Doctor show dot com and I'll send you 499 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: the part number. Um as a matter of fact, yeah, 500 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, let me just tell you this. 501 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: I know I've purchased it on Amazon, so I would 502 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: go on Amazon and just type in liquid teflon and 503 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: it'll come up under three m or perman text. I 504 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: think perma text, perma text liquid teflon. So ye, second question, 505 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: second question, Yes, okay, another Nissan centery. This one's the 506 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: two thousand and five. I've had it about two years. 507 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: This one's only got dred and ten thousand miles on. 508 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: It runs great. When you started up cold in the morning, 509 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: it starts up fine, idle, run side and it comes 510 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: down to normal. Everything's okay. You drive around fifteen twenty minutes, 511 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: everything's running fine. You stop at the store, turn it off, 512 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: go do whatever you gotta do. Come out. Fifteen or 513 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: twenty minutes later, you try to start it. You get cranked, 514 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: no start, and you can crank forever and it won't start. 515 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: You stop, You turn up the key off, try to 516 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: start it again. It starts right up. It does this 517 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: like at a time, always starts on the on the 518 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,239 Speaker 1: second shot. But uh doesn't want to start on the 519 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: first shot. After it's been you know, sitting for fifteen 520 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: or twenty minutes. You try to start it after it's 521 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: only been running, you know, like if you turn it off, 522 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: it's so if it's warm, you come back in five 523 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: or ten minutes, then it will start right up until 524 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: It's like the e c M has the right program 525 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: for a cold start, it's got the right program for 526 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: a hot start, but it doesn't have the right program 527 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: for a warm start. Okay, And this is starts on 528 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: the second shot, so I'm not too worried about it, 529 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: but it's kind of weird. This is this is an 530 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: O five with a one eight. Okay, sit tight, let 531 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: me get let me get this pulled over, and when 532 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: we come back from the break we'll talk about it. 533 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm run any in the car, doctor, don't go away? Yeah, 534 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: welcome back. Run name the car doctor, Al Maryland, you're 535 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: still there, sir. So. So when this goes into this 536 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: crank no start condition, do you recall does the security 537 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: light on the dashboard go out? Um blue lights on 538 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: a dashboard to find when you say the security light? 539 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: This should have this should have an anti theft system 540 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: if it does, think it does. Okay, So this is 541 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: a very base model, center. This is the base model. 542 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: Al right, So this is the x C absolute base model. Right, 543 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: just check it just to be sure because if it 544 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: does have if it does have security and it's going 545 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: into a security event, I don't want to miss something simple, 546 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: all right. Second thing, do you have a scan tool? Yes? Okay, 547 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: if you plug your scan tool and I know you've 548 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: checked for COD and you're gonna tell me there's none, correct, 549 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: all right. When it goes into this crank no start condition, 550 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: does it show cranking rpm? Yeah? Occasionally. That's a good 551 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: point because occasionally during this crank no start maybe only 552 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: five percent of the time, it will start, but it's 553 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: sort of bouncing, you know, it's like it's really low rpm. No, no, no, 554 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: not that for a few seconds, and then all of 555 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: a sudden, the RPM will come back to idle and 556 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: it will run right now. Don't want to happen maybe 557 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,959 Speaker 1: five of the time. Well, I don't want to look 558 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: at the tack on the car. I want to I 559 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: want to know by scan tool. I don't want I want. 560 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: I want to know by scan tool. Do you have 561 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: cranking RPM? If you don't have If you don't have 562 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: cranking RPM, then the next thing I want you to 563 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: do is carry a spark tester in your pocket. And 564 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, I believe we can access at least one 565 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: plug wire on this car, yes, to be able to 566 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you know it's the plugs are embedded inside 567 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: the you know the heads. There's gotta be a way, 568 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: maybe carry a spare wire or something, and you know, 569 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,959 Speaker 1: some way, somehow check for spark. I need to know 570 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: do I have spark AM I missing sparker injector pulse? 571 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: All right? I thought about connecting the scan tool, driving around, 572 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: looking at everything before I turn it off, and then 573 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: looking at it while it's doing the cranking. No store 574 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: to see if you know, if the fuel sprims going nuts, 575 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: So the spark advance is going nuts and I haven't 576 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: done that. I think it's gonna be. I think it's 577 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: gonna be something simpler. L I think that you're going 578 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: to find this is likely either a cam or crank 579 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: sense or signal fault, and it's just it's just reacting. 580 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: They were, They were prone for this, you know, the 581 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: real Yeah, the snake in the woodpile, that could be there, 582 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: But I don't think so. Is every once in a 583 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: while you find one of these doing this, And if 584 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: the car is acting like it's flooded and it starts 585 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: with a whizz and a bang and a puff of smoke, 586 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,479 Speaker 1: you're gonna find. You're gonna find it's a cphead gasket 587 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: because that's what they did too, they pushed coolant into 588 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: the combustion chamber. But okay, then then I think you're 589 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: more along the lines of, you know, go back to basics. 590 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: Why doesn't it start? You know, if you have if 591 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: you happen to have propane and you're do it yourself 592 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: garage by now, or if you're listening to me all 593 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: these years and you can feed it some propane, you know, uh, 594 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: you know, can does it start? Does it start on propane? 595 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: If it fires up on propane. It's fuel. It's basic stuff, man, 596 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: fuel and ignition. That's all it's gonna be. So go 597 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: chase that. We'll go from there if you need more. 598 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: All right, kid, you're very welcome. You're very welcome, Sir, 599 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: you'd be Yeah, Let's let's keep it simple. It's not overcomplicated. 600 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: Oh and I forgot to tell al Al if you're 601 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: still listening, Tom looked it up for me. Perma text 602 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: makes the liquid teflon you're looking for. It's part number 603 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: fifty to fourteen, a little white tube and you can 604 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: kind of go from there. I'm run any in the 605 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: car doctor. I'll be back right after this. Don't go 606 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: away back or welcome back running the car doctor at 607 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: eight five five zero nine zero zero. I should point 608 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: that we haven't. I haven't said that this hour. I 609 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: like to do it once an hour. Is the five 610 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: zero zero phone number is seven, and obviously it's toll free. 611 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: You can call leave a message. If we're not on 612 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: the year, we're out on the airways Saturday afternoons to 613 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: to four pm East Coast time, but leave a message 614 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: and Tom Ray we'll call you back and get you 615 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: in the queue for the next live broadcast. I want 616 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: to finish this hour by telling you about the plow truck. 617 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: You know, my my new Chevy plow truck that I 618 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: went and had the plow and stall that um, they 619 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: kind of didn't do right. And the issue was that 620 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: they had used too wide of a spade terminal to 621 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: fit the small micro computer terminal that the vehicle had, 622 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: and they jumped across two pins at once and back 623 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: fed power up through the other leg and turn my 624 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: brake lights on for three weeks or two weeks, whatever 625 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: it was. And the issue I had was trying to 626 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: find a terminal small enough for a spade terminal that 627 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: was thin enough, that would have a grip, that would 628 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: stay where it was supposed to stay and do the 629 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: job it was supposed to do without you know, falling off. 630 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: You want to make sure it's gonna work. It's a 631 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: snow play, you're out there in bad weather, and uh, 632 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's an issue. The the concern became that 633 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: unless I was going to tap into the harness or 634 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: go down to the fuse box, which I don't like 635 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: to disturb things at a fuse box because while their 636 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: fuses and you know, the best you can do is 637 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: come up with those little hook arounds and the self 638 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: taps and and they're okay, but you know what, I 639 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: don't like the disturb connections like that. You find out 640 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: as the vehicle ages, all of a sudden, terminals get 641 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: spread and there's an issue. So what they had done 642 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: was they correctly. They did that much right. They found 643 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: an open junction block that wasn't used for accessories, and 644 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: they found switched ignition um which when I traced the 645 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: wire that they were on was the white purple led 646 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: back to the ignition swhich it was correct switched accessory. 647 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: They just used the wrong spade terminal. So what do 648 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: I do. Well, I went in the back room and 649 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: I've got I've got a wide assortment of what I 650 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: call micro terminals or small computer terminals that I would 651 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: use to repair various computer connectors on a bunch of 652 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: different vehicles GM, Ford, Chrysler, et cetera. And I found 653 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: one that actually fit the terminal just it just had 654 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: a nice drag to it. You could put it on 655 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: there and it went on it. It had nice tactle strength. 656 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: It just it wasn't going to fall off. It was 657 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: a good solid grip. The issue was. It was uninsulated. 658 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: So how do you insulate a non insulated terminal? I 659 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: crimped it, I soldered it, and then I went in 660 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: the back room and I found a piece of heat shrink. 661 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: If you're not familiar with it, maybe you are. Heat 662 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: shrink is a material that we put over open are 663 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: connections to insulate them from the weather. I found one 664 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: that just went over nice snug heat shrinked it heated it, 665 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: it formed right around, wrapped it like an envelope. Right 666 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: around that micro terminal went up and on in the connector. 667 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: It's gonna be there forever and nothing bad is ever 668 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: gonna happen to it. So if you ever have to 669 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: make a connector and you've got to make it heat 670 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: insulated or insulated in heat proof heat shrink, it works 671 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: really well until the next time. I'm ron any in 672 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: the car doctor thanking you to be here until the 673 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: next time. The mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you