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Speaker 1: Welcome to the sixth and final episode of the Best

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Speaker 1: twenty five Players of the last twenty five years. NFL

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Speaker 1: Daily has been doing it, and I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 1: say it. We're doing it well, and we're gonna wrap

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Speaker 1: with one of the best in the game, my friend

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Speaker 1: Bill Barnwell.

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Speaker 2: And you got a.

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Speaker 1: Nice slot in the schedule. Bill, you're doing the top

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Speaker 1: three players of the last twenty five years?

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Speaker 3: Was that an L cool J reference in the intro?

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Speaker 1: It was not planned and it was, but that is

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Speaker 1: I think perfect. And another guy who's been doing it,

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Speaker 1: you know, for twenty five years plus, I ask.

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Speaker 3: Someone who was born in Queen's I feel like that

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Speaker 3: that represents speed quite well.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: We got three more players to talk about. Our listeners

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Speaker 1: could probably guess at this point who they are before

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Speaker 1: we even get into it. Bill, would you have anyone

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Speaker 1: different in your top three? Would you have anyone different?

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Speaker 3: Are pretty clear top three, and certainly it feels like,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's really easy to pick quarterbacks, and yet

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Speaker 3: I think we've kind of been spoiled because we've had

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Speaker 3: three quarterbacks who have been so transcendent, especially you know,

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Speaker 3: two of the three guys we're gonna mention being so

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Speaker 3: incredibly successful that we almost sort of take it for

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Speaker 3: granted that that's just sort of something you're gonna have

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Speaker 3: in the NFL. And history tells us that is not

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Speaker 3: the case. And I want to be surprised if ten

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Speaker 3: to fifteen years from now, maybe when NFLDLI is doing

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Speaker 3: fifty for fifty, we see there is not that sort

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Speaker 3: of truly transcendent, constantly successful quarterback that we saw at

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Speaker 3: least two of these three guys b over the past

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Speaker 3: twenty five year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah maybe, I mean I would be seventy one years

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Speaker 1: old at that point.

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Speaker 2: So cross our fingers. Let's go to number three.

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Speaker 3: Number three, Peyton Manning.

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Speaker 4: Madden facing pressure. Matten, what til he takes your hands?

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Speaker 2: Some fires down field? Here's a light over the seat?

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Speaker 2: What's you going out of a five touchdown?

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Speaker 4: There? We're coming. Peyton.

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Speaker 2: He felt the pressure, he took a hip and was

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Speaker 2: able to fight a white old him.

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Speaker 4: Legie, Wayne, that's a fifty three yard pass.

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Speaker 3: Fun.

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Speaker 5: I look back on my NFL career, I'll know without

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Speaker 5: a doubt that I gave everything I had to help

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Speaker 5: my teams walk away with a win. There were other

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Speaker 5: players who are more talented. But there was no one

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Speaker 5: who could outprepare me out of pay his mouth of

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Speaker 5: just playing chess with you, and a lot of people

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Speaker 5: play checkers with him.

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Speaker 3: This regard the audible, Now disregard the audible.

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Speaker 2: Come it is some plan of them.

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Speaker 4: Read different right Wisconsin.

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Speaker 6: Goro's Homeroom, God, I've got Jillius Thomas. There Thomas with

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Speaker 6: a touchdown And there's the record Peyton Manning's fifty first

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Speaker 6: touchdown pass of the year. Move over, Tom Brady, that

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Speaker 6: chair belongs to Peyton mann Thought.

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Speaker 5: A good fight. I finish my football race, and after

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Speaker 5: eighteen years, it's time. God bless all of you, and

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Speaker 5: God bless football.

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Speaker 1: No one talks and plays quite like Peyton Manning, and

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Speaker 1: no one could say God bless football and actually make

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Speaker 1: me feel emotional like. He straddles the perfect line between

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Speaker 1: total devotion and absolute love for the sport. You know,

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Speaker 1: very you know, very non cheesiness almost, but it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter because he like, he means it so much and

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Speaker 1: you could see it like in everything that he did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a player who did not need to

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Speaker 3: come back from his neck injury, did not need to

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Speaker 3: have that second Roun with the Broncos. Could have very

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Speaker 3: easily said, Hey, I am good. I have won a

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl. I have every record in the Colts. You know,

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Speaker 3: pretty much every record on them, but exactly every record,

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Speaker 3: but certainly plenty of records with the Colts, accomplished everything

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Speaker 3: I want to accomplish. Could have left the game on

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Speaker 3: instead came back and had an incredible second run with

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Speaker 3: the Broncos that was depicted mostly there. I I really

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Speaker 3: think Peyton is so hard to judge because he came

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Speaker 3: up in the era of Brady, and we're gonna see

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Speaker 3: that with guys from a We're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen and Lamark Jackson and judging them in context

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Speaker 3: with with Patrick Mahomes and his success. You were there, Greg,

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Speaker 3: I was there. Other people were not there. I feel

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Speaker 3: like people forget how much of the just strictly how

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Speaker 3: often those Brady Manning discussions occurred early on in Manning's career,

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Speaker 3: and then Manning of course sort of puts them aside

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Speaker 3: by winning two championships, including one where he has an

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Speaker 3: incredible comeback in derails Brady along the way.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy because you say that he lived in the

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Speaker 1: Brady era, and I think how I experienced it in

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Speaker 1: some ways for a while was it was more the

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Speaker 1: Manning era, and Peyton Manning was obviously better, faster, and

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Speaker 1: won more individual awards than Tom Brady did. He still

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Speaker 1: did seven All Pros first team and that was in

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Speaker 1: the neck injury. So that's just a crazy unprecedented of

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Speaker 1: being the best quarterback in the game over a decade,

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Speaker 1: of was the individual guy.

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Speaker 2: And as late as.

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Speaker 1: The Seahawks Super Bowl that Peyton Manning played in, and

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Speaker 1: I think that was a big turning point for his

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Speaker 1: career and for the Brady Manning debate, which you know,

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Speaker 1: I think ultimately Brady kind of put an end to.

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Speaker 1: But at that point, Bill, I want to direct you

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Speaker 1: to the front of NFL dot Com that very day.

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Speaker 1: I remember there was a column by one of the

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Speaker 1: if Manning wins this game, it kind of cements him

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Speaker 1: as the goat because at that point in their careers,

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Speaker 1: they're already late thirties, like Tom Brady and Manning are

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Speaker 1: both late thirties, and you're just not even thinking what

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Speaker 1: else Brady could possibly do at that point, and that

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Speaker 1: if he had won that one, because at that point

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Speaker 1: he had just beaten Brad and Brady hadn't won a

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Speaker 1: title in ten years, it kind of felt like all

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Speaker 1: the individual awards plus another title against a great defense

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Speaker 1: like Seattle would put Manning over the top. So it

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Speaker 1: is a really interesting time and way to think about it,

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Speaker 1: because that is deep into their careers that it was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and for whatever issues Manning had in the postseason

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Speaker 3: earlier in his career, we did see some great games

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Speaker 3: the patriotsry that they went to win their first Super

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Speaker 3: lost games or forgotten games in NFL history in two

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Speaker 3: that Peak defense AFC Championship game. He goes for I

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Speaker 3: Bowl where they did lose to the Saints. Seat obviously

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Speaker 3: had some games that weren't as impressive as well, But

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Speaker 3: I think that's story, that idea that he wasn't able

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Speaker 3: second Super Bowl run, he was, I mean, a shell

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Speaker 3: And so he becomes difficult to sort of measure because

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Speaker 3: I felt like, you know, he was more of a

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Speaker 3: early on in his career, he became defined really quickly.

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Speaker 3: So what Tom Brady does. His win Peyden was more.

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Speaker 3: It was more inconsistent. There was more of a you know, yes,

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Speaker 3: this guy is great, but yes, the story we told

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Speaker 3: about him in two thousand and two is different than

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Speaker 3: it is in two thousand and seven, Different in twenty eleven,

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Speaker 3: different in twenty fifteen. He evolved more. I think in

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Speaker 3: some ways, even though Brady might have evolved more on

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Speaker 1: It's such a fascinating comparison because all of that is

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Speaker 1: totally true. And yet when you think about who was

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Speaker 1: the most consistent, I would say player at any position

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Speaker 1: over the course of what I think is the most

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Speaker 1: valuable way to evaluate players, which is like a sixteen

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Speaker 1: be Peyton Manning. And I know wins are not a

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Speaker 1: is more consistent is almost it's partly on Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he had a I

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Speaker 1: think it was a run.

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Speaker 2: I wrote it down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ten years out of eleven they won twelve games,

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Speaker 1: which is is just outrageous. And I think it's okay

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Speaker 1: that the decline in Manning's numbers in the playoffs are

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Speaker 1: significant enough to matter. But what also matters is his

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Speaker 1: throwback to an era that he revered, you know, Johnny

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Speaker 1: the Brett Favre type of play where it's more about

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Speaker 1: improvisational And this was Peyton Manning, I think having an

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Speaker 1: then certainly Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes and Joe Burrow. That

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Speaker 3: a an antiquated offense. He wanted more static stuff with

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Speaker 3: wanted to pick defenses apart. That's what Peyton Manning wanted too,

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Speaker 3: Like he wanted answers for his protection. He wanted to know, okay,

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Speaker 3: simplistic the Colts offense was, Like the sheer number of

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Speaker 3: it was how those plays meshed together with Tom Moore's influence,

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Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily's Best twenty five players of the

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Speaker 1: last twenty five years, you probably figured out our next guy,

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Speaker 3: Number two.

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Speaker 8: You got for the gods?

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Speaker 8: And we're home by the way to get Away.

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Speaker 3: He is the standard.

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Speaker 2: You're Michael Jordan wrings it again and then winning football

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Speaker 9: We're gonna go keep going out there and doing it.

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Speaker 1: The margins are so slim, like nothing was promised, but

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes has so many of those moments where it

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Speaker 1: is third and fifteen and he makes a throw. Just

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Speaker 1: few others in NFL history he could make Greg.

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Speaker 3: I remember that game very well, because I picked the

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Speaker 3: Niners to win that game, same ol, so smart up

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Speaker 3: to that exact moment, and then I just the ball dropped,

447
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 3: and I was just, oh, no, I'm going to have

448
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Speaker 3: to spend the next whatever minutes of this game hoping

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes doesn't do exactly what Patrick Mahomes does. And

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Speaker 3: I swore in that moment I would never pick against

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs again in the Super Bowl. Just a game

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Speaker 3: where he was not good the vast majority of that

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Speaker 3: game and then lights out. I think he had sent

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Speaker 3: me Watkins for a touchdown pass later on in that game.

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Speaker 3: And I actually I'm interested in what you think hearing

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Speaker 3: what Tony Romo said, because Romo described that drive against

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Speaker 3: the Niners as like a signature drive for Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 3: and I would certainly say that's fair. I think that

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Speaker 3: throw what Peter King found. The name was it wasp?

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Speaker 3: The name of that Yes, you know that third and

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Speaker 3: fifteen wasp throw maybe one of his most famous throws,

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Speaker 3: that scramble for a touchdown against the Tennessee Titans in

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Speaker 3: the AFC Championship game earlier that year, Maybe one of

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Speaker 3: his most famous runs. But it's interesting that I don't

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Speaker 3: know that we have like a signature Mahomes food.

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Speaker 1: In some ways, I thought that was a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a stretch because he was like he finally did

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Speaker 1: it over time, he finally got the game when he drive,

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Speaker 1: And I guess that's true, but I think of the

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Speaker 1: drive against the Eagles. You gotta get points to win

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl, and he is not one hundred percent,

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Speaker 1: and he does what he's done so many times in

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Speaker 1: his career, which is get a big time run in

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Speaker 1: the spot that you actually needed. While we're talking about it,

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Speaker 1: let's look at another one of those earlier in that

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Speaker 1: run the.

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Speaker 8: Second and nine Kansas City in the red zone at

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Speaker 8: the tux in fifteen yard line, Mahomes on the far

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Speaker 8: hash in the pockets, stepping up and trying to squeeze

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Speaker 8: through the stakes on the street ten fuck the zone, touchdown,

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Speaker 8: tail zone City on that bad ankle, stepping through the pocket,

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Speaker 8: running all the way to the sweet nectar of the

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Speaker 8: young zone.

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Speaker 1: It's just so reminiscent of so many moments, Like when

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Speaker 1: you think Mahomes is down a little bit, I said it.

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Speaker 1: I remember early even in his first season. And we'll

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Speaker 1: kind of back up and talk about like his journey.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, even in his first season, he always ran

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Speaker 1: just fast enough to kill you. Like every first down

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Speaker 1: run he had felt like it was an absolute killer,

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Speaker 1: and that shouldn't get lost in the total alchemy of

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Speaker 1: like what has made him so great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think his instinct for when to run, how

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Speaker 3: much space he has on the sideline, how much space

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Speaker 3: he has to pick up a first down, is just

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Speaker 3: so impeccable. You certainly see a lot of guys who

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Speaker 3: are faster, a lot of guys are who are more

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Speaker 3: athletic and who can run for first downs and do so,

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Speaker 3: and there's something wrong with doing that. But I just

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Speaker 3: think Mahomes's ability to sort of figure out, Okay, I

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Speaker 3: have exactly enough space to get ten yards perround on

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Speaker 3: the sideline at this exact moment, and then that decisiveness

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Speaker 3: to go is I think a really sort of unique

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Speaker 3: and special skill for him. I actually think I want

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Speaker 3: to go back even further greg what was going on

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Speaker 3: with him before the draft, because obviously he was taken

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Speaker 3: before or sorry after mitchter Bisky of the Chicago Bears

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Speaker 3: and then Deshaun Watson who was drafted by the Texans.

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Speaker 3: But this was a player who It's not like the

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Speaker 3: paidon Manning situation, where yes, Bill Walsh famously you know,

511
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Speaker 3: debated whether Ryan Leaf was better than paid in Manning

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Speaker 3: before the Colts took him with the first overall pick.

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Speaker 3: But with Mahomes, when you read the stuff that was

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Speaker 3: written about him at the time, this was not a

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Speaker 3: guy who had a first round bread. In a lot

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Speaker 3: of places, there were a lot of teams who, at

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Speaker 3: least before the draft were saying to people publicly, this

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Speaker 3: is a Day two pick. This is even a Day

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Speaker 3: three pick. In some places there were not. There was

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Speaker 3: not that sort of overwhelming oh my god, this is

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Speaker 3: a generational quarterback prospect. And I think that speaks to

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Speaker 3: how talented he is. Obviously landing in the right spot

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Speaker 3: help with the Chiefs playmakers and Andy Reid, but his

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Speaker 3: ability to grow and evolve and adapt, where even in

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Speaker 3: that first year he mostly signed on the bench before

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Speaker 3: playing the final leak of the year, he really evolved

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Speaker 3: as a quarterback. And the guy who showed up that

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Speaker 3: first season in twenty eighteen, where he really played from

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Speaker 3: week one onward, looked different in a lot of ways

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Speaker 3: from the guy who saw at Texas.

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Speaker 1: Tech I'm glad you brought that up and that first start.

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Speaker 1: I wrote an entire huge offseason column about it because

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Speaker 1: if listeners remember Alex game, yeah, it was against the Broncos.

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Speaker 1: It was Week seventeen, and the Chiefs started Alex Smith

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs, but they wanted to give Mahomes one start,

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Speaker 1: and they actually had their offensive coordinator and their play

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Speaker 1: callers start prepping for the playoffs while Andy Reid and

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach at the time, Mike Kafgar was going

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Speaker 1: to be the quarterbacks coach, prepped Mahomes for that season finale.

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Speaker 1: We actually had him on the Around the NFL podcast,

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid just a few months later.

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Speaker 10: When they played their starters now Denver did Yeah, was

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Speaker 10: starting defense, and I went into that game feeling like

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Speaker 10: we could score any time, and once we got in there,

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Speaker 10: I felt the same thing. He gave you that confidence

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Speaker 10: and he made some plays that you saw him do.

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Speaker 10: These no look throws. It he doesn't practice, but we

548
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Speaker 10: kind of go out it's practice. He starts doing those

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Speaker 10: in the game, I'm going, WHOA, Okay, that's something special.

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Speaker 1: So he had a throw at DeMarcus Robinson in that

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Speaker 1: game that was just absolutely crazy. His first completion as

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Speaker 1: a pro was a thirty five yard like frozen rope.

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Speaker 1: I think it was to the opposite hash And I

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Speaker 1: love that quote from Reid who just said we started

555
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Speaker 1: feeling like we could we could score at any moment,

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Speaker 1: and I think the confidence was there. And Alex Smith

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Speaker 1: deserves a lot of credit because Mahomes and Reed have

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Speaker 1: gone out of their way to just say over and

559
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Speaker 1: over how much he helped Mahomes in that year. So

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Speaker 1: he ends up coming in as a first time starter

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Speaker 1: the next year. And that's the thing what is unique

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Speaker 1: about Mahomes compared to Manning or Brady or really anyone,

563
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Speaker 1: and it's why he's number two. And we can get

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Speaker 1: in the comparison between him and Manning because he obviously

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the same amount of first team All pros

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Speaker 1: or MVPs.

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Speaker 2: But what he did Bill was be.

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Speaker 1: The best quarterback in the league from like the minute

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Speaker 1: he actually started playing. His first three starts, he had

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Speaker 1: three touch thirteen touchdowns, no interception, and was averaging like

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Speaker 1: over three hundred yards like that first playoff run. He

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Speaker 1: has those crazy comebacks where they you know, he had

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Speaker 1: twenty four points in the fourth quarter against Bill Belichick's defense,

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Speaker 1: and the only reason you know, they didn't win a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl potentially that year is they lost the coin

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Speaker 1: toss there to Tom Brady. So he was epic even

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Speaker 1: in that playoff run. And that's what's unique I think

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Speaker 1: about him compared to a Peyton Manny who took till

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Speaker 1: year six to win that playoff game, compared to Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: who took till about year you know, five or six

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Speaker 1: as a pro to really become like a plus plus

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Speaker 1: plus starter even though he was winning titles. Mahomes came

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Speaker 1: in and he was just like the man from minute one.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean it was fully formed, really from that

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Speaker 3: first start. I actually watched it against the Chargers before

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Speaker 3: we hopped on, and you know, just seeing stuff that

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Speaker 3: they were running. They run a bunch of RPOs, which

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Speaker 3: you would expect. They were in the triple for a

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Speaker 3: game with Mahomes, which you know, Alex Smith is a

590
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Speaker 3: underrated athlete, but I don't know that they were running

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Speaker 3: the triple all that much. With Alex Smith at quarterback there,

592
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Speaker 3: he was improvising. He was making stuff happen, and a

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Speaker 3: lot of it was deeper stuff. And having watched Mahomes

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Speaker 3: throughout his career now and paying such close attention, I

595
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Speaker 3: think what's fascinating to me is how he has evolved

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Speaker 3: as a quarterback because I think guess Peyton Manning did evolve,

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Speaker 3: you know, in some ways as he moved on, but

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Speaker 3: he was really, I think, so good and so consistent

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Speaker 3: running the offense. That was very consistent over the course

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Speaker 3: of his time in Indianapolis. Tom Brady did evolve. Will

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Speaker 3: talk about that in a little bit, But over the

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00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: course of five or six years, really Patrick Maholmes has

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Speaker 3: gone from being the guy who torments teams deep having

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Speaker 3: to be a guy who throws underneath the fast majority

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Speaker 3: of the time. He's thirty fifth in air yards per

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Speaker 3: attempt over the last three years. Only Daniel Jones that

607
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Speaker 3: has has fewer air yards per throw. And he's thrived

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Speaker 3: doing that because he's he's grown patient. He is the

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Speaker 3: guy who, you know, yes, he can still throw deep,

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Speaker 3: he can still make those throws. He still has the

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Speaker 3: arm strength to do that. It's not like he's not

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Speaker 3: physically capable of doing that. But whether it's losing Tyreek Hill,

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Speaker 3: whether it's the you know, defense is being absolutely terrified

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Speaker 3: if him burning them deep of not having maybe the

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Speaker 3: best offensive line of the best tackles giving him the

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Speaker 3: time to make those throws and spots. They've been incredibly

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Speaker 3: consistent and picking up third downs at him at historical

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Speaker 3: outlier rates over the last few years. And that's Mahomes.

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Speaker 3: It's not you know, Travis Kelsey plays a big role,

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Speaker 3: but it's not Travis Kelsey. It's not the run game.

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Speaker 3: It's Mahomes and his ability to create a structure, his

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Speaker 3: ability to read defenses, his ability to take what they're

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Speaker 3: giving him, which you know, even for someone like Josh Allen,

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Speaker 3: who I think is a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback,

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Speaker 3: he struggles with at times. Patrick Mahlmes has been able

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Speaker 3: to do that and do that so quickly early on

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Speaker 3: in his career, and I think that's only going to

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Speaker 3: It only just proves again how fast of a developer

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Speaker 3: he is and how quickly he grows as a player.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I think if there's an underrated part of his game,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if anything's underrated at this point, but

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Speaker 1: it has to be just a decision making. He's just

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00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: become such an elite decision maker as a young player,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think that.

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Speaker 2: Gets talked about first.

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Speaker 1: Now that said, we're taping this at a very unique

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00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: time in his career, and it was why I struggled

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Speaker 1: with him two or three.

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Speaker 2: My initial instinct was two.

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Speaker 1: And then you look at the numbers and five MVPs

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Speaker 1: for Mannings and this exercise bill was supposed to be

643
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: about greatness, who actually just think was the best player?

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Speaker 1: Wasn't about counting stats totally. It wasn't about just racking

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Speaker 1: up numbers. It was the highest, the high excellence, and

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Speaker 1: we're taping this after two years where he hasn't been

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Speaker 1: at his best. I think what's been unique about Peyton Manning?

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Speaker 1: I mean Patrick Mahomes And yes, I know I'm saying

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Speaker 1: that after like he wins a Super Bowl and gets

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Speaker 1: to another Super Bowl, so it's all relative, But I

651
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: think what was unique about him was I think after

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Speaker 1: one year as a starter, he was the best player

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Speaker 1: I'd ever seen come into the league. After two years

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Speaker 1: of as a starter, three years, four years, five years,

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's the best three years to start

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Speaker 1: is great?

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Speaker 2: Best four years?

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Speaker 1: Now the last two If for some reason he stayed

659
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Speaker 1: at or around that level statistically moving forward, it would

660
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Speaker 1: be a very different career. I don't think he's played

661
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: his very best over the sixteen game regular season in

662
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: the last two regular seasons. Now the playoffs are a

663
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: different story. Obviously struggled in the Super Bowl last year,

664
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Speaker 1: but unlike Manning and Brady and almost anyone else to

665
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: play the game in history, like, his numbers have gone

666
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: up significantly in the playoffs as good as they are

667
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: in the regular season. Like his rate stats are even crazier,

668
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: and they're great in the regular season too. We might

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Speaker 1: as well go over him before I throw it back

670
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: to you here. He is number one in passing yards

671
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: per game in NFL history. He is number one in

672
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: adjusted yards per attempt in NFL history, and number two

673
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: in adjusted yards per attempt at NFL history, number one

674
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: in success rate. So he is number one in a

675
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: million great categories. And he's got the two MVPs, got

676
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: the three Super Bowl MVPs. He's got one second team

677
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: MVP All Pro as well. So it's not like the

678
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: numbers aren't great, Bill, but it is. It is weird

679
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: because Manning and Brady, their best parts of their career

680
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: actually started right about now. For Mahomes, like the best

681
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: part of Manning's career really started around twenty seven to

682
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Speaker 1: twenty eight. I would say the best part of Brady's

683
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: career really started around like thirty and then really cranked

684
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Speaker 1: up around thirty two to thirty three. So Mahomes hasn't

685
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: even gotten there yet. And I if we listen back

686
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Speaker 1: to this in ten years, I tend to think that

687
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Speaker 1: this two year slight loll is only part of the

688
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: bigger picture, and he's gonna have many more Manning Brady

689
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Speaker 1: Mahomes like the Bonker seasons moving forward.

690
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, those guys didn't always have all pros

691
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: at every position around them. But I just think the

692
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: twenty three when his receivers had the worst drop rate

693
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Speaker 3: of the last decade, and you know, I think about

694
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: the drop against the Lions that cost him the game

695
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: in Week one with Darius Tony, and then last year,

696
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: I mean, they had a turnstile left tackle all season,

697
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: something that I think the great teams have always had,

698
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: you know, kind of a locked in left tackle, a

699
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: guy who they can trust pretty much every year they're successful.

700
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Speaker 3: And the Chiefs have kind of just cycled guys through

701
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: and managed to win anyway, I wouldn't be shocked if

702
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: over the next five or ten years. Five in the

703
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: next five years, when they have a settled left tackle situation,

704
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: when they have maybe a better set of receivers, we've

705
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: seen more of the Ma Homes numbers we've seen in

706
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 3: years past. I think, you know, we're also smarter, Like

707
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Speaker 3: we also have the ability now in twenty twenty five

708
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: to watch all twenty two and we didn't have that

709
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Speaker 3: for really the vast majority of paidon Manning and Tom

710
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: Brady's career. The discourse is smarter. We know, we have

711
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: more access to data and information that we just didn't

712
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 3: have in those guys career. And I think all of

713
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: that really underlies and tells us how good and how

714
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: consistent Patrick Mahomes is in ways that even the other

715
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Speaker 3: great quarterbacks in this league are not.

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Speaker 1: Right now, yeah, that that is totally fair, And I

717
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 1: could see he's an interesting like psychology case because yes,

718
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: Brady had all the team success quickly, but he really

719
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: didn't become who he was as an individual player, I

720
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Speaker 1: would say until at least five six and then whereas Manning,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Mahomes has experienced it all, He's done every

722
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Speaker 1: he's had a hall of fame career that you know,

723
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Speaker 1: in his first four or five years. So the motivation

724
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: of how to keep getting better, and I think he's

725
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: going to get to want to get back to some

726
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: of the fun Mahomes plays that we saw early.

727
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Speaker 2: Let's just watch one of them, just for the hell

728
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: of it. Four than nine. I chose it after him Maholmes.

729
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Speaker 11: In Football Twins for the costs body.

730
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Speaker 2: Let He's a.

731
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Speaker 4: Ballance of the town.

732
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Speaker 6: Been amazing play by the cheats all the way across

733
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Speaker 6: the field.

734
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Speaker 2: Well, your body weight is backwards falling out. That is

735
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: just outrageous.

736
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Speaker 1: That's a twenty eighteen game against the Ravens.

737
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Speaker 3: And that's not like the only time he's done that

738
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Speaker 3: or made that sort of throw. Greg. I think back

739
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: to that Lions game they actually lost Week one of

740
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, where it handed in like a third

741
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Speaker 3: and twenty two in a fourth and twenty two situation,

742
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Speaker 3: and more than anybody else in football, more than Tom Brady,

743
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: more than paidon Manning, more than anybody else. If it's

744
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: a fourth and twenty plus, the only person on the

745
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 3: planet where I'm actually scared of them hitting it is

746
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes, and he got someone open. I think he

747
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: got Cadarius Tony opening the ball on off his fingertips

748
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Speaker 3: er might have been Sky Moore. I get my twenty

749
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 3: twenty three bad Chiefs receivers confused in my head. But

750
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: even the Bengals game last year where he had a

751
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 3: third and forever and a fourth and forever, they hit

752
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: Kelsey for a touchdown and got called back because is

753
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 3: that the Cardarius Tony It was Nickarious side, but idea

754
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 3: like in those third, fourth and firmer situations, it feels

755
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: almost like a fifty to fifty shot and that's not

756
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Speaker 3: the case for anyone else in football.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so I don't really think he's having Brady's career backwards.

758
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: I think he's going to have the individual success along

759
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: with the team's success.

760
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: Moving forward. But it is fun to have a guy.

761
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Speaker 1: He's really the first guy that I've felt JJ Watt

762
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: is probably the closest other one where like as it's happening,

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Speaker 1: as it's starting, you're aware of just witnessing greatness and

764
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: yees seventeen and four in the postseason, we saw that

765
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: clip against the Ravens. He's personally like ruined a potential

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Speaker 1: Bill's dynasty, beating them four times in the playoffs, which

767
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: is just outrageous. This decade one great team alone, he's

768
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Speaker 1: beaten four times. Everyone trying to get past Patrick Mahomes

769
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: Like a lot of teams in the AFC. We're trying

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Speaker 1: to get past our number one player. Let's just get

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Speaker 1: to him number one.

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Speaker 3: Tom bring.

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Speaker 7: Brady shoot the episode. Brady's fuck, that's a quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Boy.

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Speaker 11: Would you thought you'd seen it all? O, my God,

776
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 11: fires it to the right, down the right sideline and

777
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 11: caught at the twenty.

778
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: Fifteen ten five touchdown.

779
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Speaker 11: Patriots Tom Brady to Randy Moss and they each have

780
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 11: set NFL records on the go. I had touchdown for

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Speaker 11: Tom Brady touchdown pass number fifty, an NFL record.

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Speaker 5: You have to have a certain obsession about winning, an

783
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Speaker 5: understanding that if there's no in between is winning the

784
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 5: Super Bowl and then there's failure. I haven't seen many

785
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 5: do it the way Tom though.

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Speaker 2: God lock Dan now laser focus.

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Speaker 4: Sideline, gotta throw a Mondola on the reception. One of

788
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 4: the best of the game for Tom Brady, choss the

789
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 4: white to ruin the Super Bowl. The greatest pump back

790
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 4: in Super Bowl history.

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Speaker 2: What by the greatest quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I apologize to our listeners and especially Bill Barnwell for

793
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: having to watch all of that. Bill, but you got

794
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: to cackle while the Giants took Brady out a couple

795
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: of times. Those obviously were the great moments of his

796
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: career and didn't even include the Bucks spiking the football

797
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: at the end of his career where he came in

798
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: second in an MVP vote and won another Super Bowl. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: it just felt and I did debate between these three,

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Speaker 1: was it Mahomes or Manning? And then I kind of

801
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: I thought about Mahomes or Brady because I know all

802
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: the accomplishments obviously go to Brady, But in terms of

803
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: pure greatness, I thought hard about Mahomes and just what

804
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: we've seen. But ultimately, if we're talking about the highs

805
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: being just the absolute highest, and then the longevity and

806
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: accomplishments is sort of the tie breaker. It's not like

807
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's highs weren't exceptionally high.

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Speaker 2: And so in the end he is my number one.

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Speaker 2: Are you are you happy with my top three order?

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Speaker 3: I think so. The thing about Brady, and obviously, I mean,

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00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: what's you know Tom Brady? Like, I don't think you

812
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 3: needed to tell you Tom Brady is good. But what

813
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: I would say really stands out to me is just

814
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 3: how how ubiquitous Brady came in terms of what you

815
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 3: saw off the field of what you saw on the field.

816
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 3: I know, Patrick mahomes Are, you know, we were talking,

817
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 3: I think in the video clip about some Jordan comparisons.

818
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: To me, you know, Brady's the pretty clear Jordan, you

819
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: know successor in terms of just the sheer volume of

820
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: winning early in his career, just the standard being set,

821
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Speaker 3: the expectation that he was always going to pull things out,

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Speaker 3: that he was never out of a game. The Falcons

823
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 3: game didn't happen until much later in his career. But

824
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 3: you know, we saw comebacks, we saw great moments, we saw,

825
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: you know, just poise that was preternatural early on in

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00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: his career. And then I would say, even maybe more so,

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00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 3: just the evolution of the on field product of the

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00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 3: National Football League. Yes, the Colts through the ball a ton, Yes,

829
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 3: the early Andy Reid Eagles through the ball a ton,

830
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: But really that two thousand and seven Patriots team is

831
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Speaker 3: what transformed the NFL. I mean, when you see the

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Speaker 3: offenses Brady was running early in his career. Yes, it's

833
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: technically still our hurt Perkins, it's still you know, maybe

834
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: some of the underlying concepts, but really moving to the spread,

835
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Speaker 3: incorporating some tempo stuff from the Chip Kelly College teams

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Speaker 3: before Chip got to the NFL. I think seeing an

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00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 3: evolution of teams leaning into the past, leaning into spreading

838
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: the ball around, leaning into you know, that being a

839
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 3: way to consistently win at the highest level, as opposed

840
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: to kind of being you know, maybe more of a gimmick.

841
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: We saw the Falcons from a run and shoot earlier

842
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: on in the nineties, and that didn't stick very long.

843
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: We didn't see teams adopt that. The Patriots were so

844
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 3: good and Tom Brady was so good running that offense

845
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: that it became kind of a core concept of what

846
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 3: teams do. You could not put it aside and ignore it.

847
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: And now the modern version in the NFL, well, there's

848
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: stuff that wasn't in those offenses. But the modern NFL

849
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: looks more like the two thousand and seven Patriots when

850
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 3: offenses were at their best in a lot of ways

851
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 3: than I think anybody could have anticipated heading into that

852
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven season.

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Speaker 1: Hell like that, the twenty eleven teams too, with like

854
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: the two tight ends and playing fast, and it's it's

855
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: really interesting with Brady because, Okay, his accomplishments. He's first

856
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: team All Decade in the two thousands for the Hall

857
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: of Fame and Pro Football Reference, but he's also first

858
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: team All Decade in the twenty tens for the Pro

859
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: Football Fame, which is outrageous. And then, oh, by the way,

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00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenties, as I mentioned, he won the

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00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl in his first year with the Bucks and

862
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: then actually had a better year over his second year,

863
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: almost won the MVP and had that big fourth quarter

864
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: comeback that the Rams stopped to help win their Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So he's got all the numbers and stuff, even if

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00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the amount of seasons of being an

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00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: All Pro only three only along with his MVPs, and

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00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: so that's less than Manning. But it's crazy to think.

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00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: I think so many of his best seasons Bill are

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00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: actually when they didn't win. I always thought that was

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00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: weird as a Patriots fan, like he was great in

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00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and five. That was the first year actually

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00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: I felt as a Patriots fan that not only is

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00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: this guy great, but that, oh, he can and should

875
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: be the best quarterback in the league. Even after three

876
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: Super Bowls, you didn't quite feel like that he was

877
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: coming on by the end of two thousand and four,

878
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: but he was awesome in two thousand and five, and

879
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: then I think the best Patriots offenses were ten and

880
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: twenty eleven. Their defense is just stunk, and him dragging

881
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: some of the other teams, like the twenty thirteen to

882
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen team, which also had their issues whether is

883
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: running or defense to the doorstep. And he went that

884
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: ten long years between Super Bowls, and you think about

885
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: like he was playing his very best then, and yet

886
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: then he still tacks on the twenty fourteen season, which

887
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: I think is to me like the most complete Patriots

888
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: team that they ever had, and then you have the

889
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: comeback and then you have them kind of dotting the

890
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: eye at the at the very end with the comeback

891
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: against Mahomes. There's just so many different seasons like that

892
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and with the Bucks, where it was

893
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: like it wasn't all about team success, it was about

894
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: him sort of setting the floor so freaking high that

895
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: statistically you just.

896
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: Were going to break through eventually.

897
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: And that's why like they went ten years without it,

898
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: but eventually they were gonna win some more of those

899
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: close games because your boy, Eli Manning, you know, wasn't

900
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: going to get back to the playoffs.

901
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Brady stopper. Yeah, really early in Brady's career,

902
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 3: someone who lived in Boston at the time, who was,

903
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: you know, part of whatever the football internet was early on.

904
00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 3: Early in those days, we were thriving.

905
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: We were thriving. We were in the mid odds, we

906
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: were there.

907
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: Even the pre mid odds, even the early offs. Greg.

908
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, Brady was talked about maybe

909
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: in the same way Brock Purdy as now, like it

910
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: was Okay, he's a game manager, he's going to be smart.

911
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 3: But no, he's not just a he's not a transcending

912
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 3: quarterback in turns visibility. No, he's not the guy who's

913
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: going to terrify opposing defensive coordinators at night. And there

914
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: was there was a throw, there was a touchdown pass

915
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 3: in overtime against the Dolphins where that was the one.

916
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: I think it was like an eighty plus yard touchdown

917
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 3: to I want to say Troy Brown, Yes that that

918
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: It was like, oh, he can he can do that.

919
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 3: He has that in his locker, and you saw that

920
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 3: over and over again, Brady going from being a guy

921
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: who was just, oh, he's going to just, you know,

922
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 3: come up with a late driver, to to oh, no,

923
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: he's going to dominate you for four quarters, to oh,

924
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 3: he's going to rack up crazy numbers, to oh, he's

925
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 3: the focal point of this offense and everything is built

926
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: through him and around him. That wasn't the case early on,

927
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: and that really, you know, again showed his growth, his development,

928
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 3: his ability to go from being the guy who didn't

929
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 3: have eliant arms strength to be a guy who could

930
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 3: make literally any throw and terrify opposing teams on the process.

931
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: And I bring up Troy Brown, and Troy Brown was

932
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: a good football player, but Greg, you know, he had

933
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: a couple of truly transcendent players. He had Rob Gronkowski,

934
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: who was maybe one of the best times the NFL

935
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: history when he was on the field. He had Randy

936
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: Moss that year. But just the sheer volume of guys

937
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: who were not exactly superstars elsewhere. I mean, Wes Welker

938
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: was not even a regular starter for one of the

939
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: worst teams in NFL history, that Dolphins team, where he

940
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 3: got traded to the Patriots and that turned things around.

941
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 3: Guys like Chris Hogan, Josh Gordon, Brandon Lafel, those guys

942
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,479
Speaker 3: all have more than one thousand receiving yards on throws

943
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: from Tom Brady. And you know Bill Belichick would have

944
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 3: his misses at wide receiver throughout time. They signed some

945
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 3: free agentsy didn't work out. They had some draft picks

946
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 3: who didn't work out, but really more than Manning because

947
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: Manning just had so many talented players and even Mahomes

948
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: who's had Kelsey for his entire career. I mean, Brady

949
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: made different versions of that offense work. Like you mentioned

950
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: the twelve personnel grouping with Bronck and Aaron Hernandez that

951
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: transformed the offense. They made the spread work. He made

952
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: it work with David Gibbons and Troy Brown early in

953
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 3: his career, and he was hitting Jermaine Wiggins for plays

954
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl. You know, it really was such

955
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 3: a really fascinating offense and changed so many ways. And

956
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 3: the guy who ended up being most closely associated with

957
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 3: him down the run was Julian Enleman, who was a

958
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 3: seventh round pick. I mean, he made so many guys

959
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: careers by being such a incredibly accurate and incredibly anticipatory passer.

960
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, the two thousand and six AFC Championship, which was

961
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: ultimately the best moment I think of Peyton Manning's career

962
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: because he led that comeback, was so close to being

963
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: Brady's best job. I would say dragging a team that

964
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: shouldn't be there for there because his top two receivers

965
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: that year were Rashe Caldwell and Doug Gabriel. I think

966
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: who was hurt by the time they got to the

967
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: championship game, so it was Jabar Gaffney remember some guys.

968
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: Yes, I love it, I absolutely do well.

969
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 1: I think what made him great though, more than anything

970
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: ultimately was his pocket movement, And I think that's just

971
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: growing up a Patriots fan ultimately and watching Brady is

972
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: why I lean towards that being like the number one

973
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: trait that if if you have it, if you can

974
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: naturally buy a little extra time with small movement inside

975
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: the pocket while keeping your eyes downfield and like going

976
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: through your reads like that is I believe the number

977
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: one trait like a quarterback can have that inaccuracy, and

978
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: to me, that is the number one thing. He was

979
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: the best at of all time, Like I sort of

980
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: started to take it for granted of just watching him

981
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: versus other quarterbacks are just like, what a crazy feel

982
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: he just sort of naturally had of where the pass

983
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: rushers were to buy himself that extra half a second.

984
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: I think I think he had that in a way

985
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: that even Manning and Rogers and Mahomes didn't. I really

986
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: think that was the thing that kind of made him

987
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: Brady more than anything else.

988
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: I think it's defense rating, and it's kind of crazy

989
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 3: that you could have multiple things that Tom Brady might

990
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 3: be the best of all time at at different elements

991
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 3: of being a quarterback. You know, his ability to kind

992
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: of read leverages of defensive players and take advantage of them.

993
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: And again, I think with the home you talked about

994
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 3: and taking the easy stuff, like Tom Brady was the

995
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 3: best quarterback in NFL history at taking what defenses gave

996
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: you and you know, being able to get the ball

997
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 3: into the places where there are were week spots and

998
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 3: defense is making that decision quickly, knowing what that was

999
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 3: going to be based on, you know, the pre snap

1000
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 3: leverage and pre snap movement and being able to manipulate

1001
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 3: that with the line of scrimmage I think was really hard,

1002
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 3: and Patriots offense was not easy, especially as as time

1003
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 3: war on and they added more and more to it,

1004
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: and you're going take stuff out, but usually you're going

1005
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 3: to keep more in than you take out as you're

1006
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 3: expanding an offensive scheme and an offensive playbook over so

1007
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 3: many years with so many of the same people, and

1008
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of option routes in there.

1009
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 3: There's a lot of stuff that you know made receivers

1010
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 3: lives hell. I think we saw it. Kembell Tompkins clip.

1011
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: I want to say something.

1012
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was his game winner against the Saints. I

1013
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: thought that that was like just one of the best

1014
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: passes of his career. That was a fun game win. Yeah,

1015
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: Chadoh Chosinco could never pick it up. I'll always blame

1016
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: the twenty eleven championship on the Patriots not changing their

1017
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: strategy of just leaving Ocho Cinco on an island one

1018
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: side of the field getting totally locked up, not like

1019
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: thinking that he was going to win, But it was

1020
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: partly because, yeah, some guys couldn't couldn't pick it up,

1021
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: and he had such a high high bar of what

1022
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: you needed to speaking of which you mentioned Edelman as

1023
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: as the best wide receiver with with Brady, and I

1024
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't disagree, But he did have one other guy who

1025
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: followed him to Tampa Brady play action.

1026
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 11: Look ski me up again with the touchdown.

1027
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that run with Tampa. Ultimately, we'll end with this.

1028
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: It just sort of spiked the football on all these conversations.

1029
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: It almost made it less fun because I think it's

1030
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: easier to forget now, like how freaking old he was

1031
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: when he got to Tampa. He also ruined the Belichick

1032
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: Brady debate. Really, not that it was a debate. I

1033
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: always thought that was stupid, Like football is about. It's

1034
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: a team sport, and it's the combination, right, it's the

1035
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: combination of them that made them great. But even me

1036
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: as a BELICHICKI in like, I always thought it was

1037
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: closer to fifty to fifty.

1038
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: Than I should have in terms of how important Belichick was.

1039
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: And then you just go back to the reality of

1040
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: I think any sport that of course it's more about

1041
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: the player, and you say about how the offense had

1042
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: transformed all over the years, It's like, yeah, that's Tom

1043
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: Brady ultimately being by far the most important part of

1044
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: it and for him to go at age forty three

1045
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: and put up those it was three seasons in a

1046
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: row as Bucks quarterback at like an extremely high level.

1047
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: Like I said a second in MVP, the second season

1048
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: after winning the Super Bowl the first It's just like

1049
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: it kind of ended all the arguments and it was

1050
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: just like it was just the ultimate Tom Brady seasons

1051
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: I actually think kind of were in Tampa.

1052
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that sort of warped our brains as well.

1053
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 3: Like I talked about the on field thing about you know,

1054
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 3: offenses looking more like two thousand and seven Patriots as

1055
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 3: time more on than they had beforehand. Our brains for

1056
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: what's normal for quarterbacks are broken by Tom Brady, right, Like,

1057
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 3: like Mahomes has been evaluated and compared every second of

1058
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 3: his career as a as a former first round pick

1059
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: and then as a successful quarterback to Tom Brady. Like

1060
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 3: that is the bar now in a way that it

1061
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 3: was not before Tom Brady. Even you know the fact

1062
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: that you have a guy playing into his forties with

1063
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 3: the Aaron Rodgers stuff in New York, like there was

1064
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 3: an expectation that, oh, Aaron Rodgers, wasn't he just found

1065
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 3: on the earth the Packers. But sure tom Brady can

1066
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 3: play into his forties or of bol So why can't

1067
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers do it? Because that's not normal. Because he's

1068
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: the only identical history who's come close to doing that realistically.

1069
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 3: That is the I think there's this sort of expectation

1070
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 3: now that not only are you going to win very

1071
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 3: often in your prime, but you're going to keep winning

1072
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 3: later into your career, until your late thirties and even,

1073
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: like you said, into your forties. Because Tom Brady did

1074
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: it with a second team like that, that's warped our

1075
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 3: brains because that's not normal, that's not recedented, and it's

1076
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: not frankly realistic for anybody else. Tom Brady did that

1077
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 3: because he's the only player like Tom Brady in the

1078
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 3: history of the National Football League.

1079
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny how like the first part of

1080
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: his career was sort of defined and broken up by

1081
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: that ACL tear, and yet I sort of had forgotten

1082
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: until then that was like basically the only injury he

1083
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: ever had in his career.

1084
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 2: That, yeah, that kept him out of games.

1085
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: The only other thing was was Spygate, which I mean

1086
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: to flake Gate, which which he came back and got

1087
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: second in MVP that year despite having missed four games.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, so it does break my brain a little

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Speaker 1: bit to think that he was thirty nine when they

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Speaker 1: made that comeback twenty eight to three against the Falcons.

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Speaker 1: So we used to say it on around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You could divide his career into three parts. In all

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Speaker 1: three would make the Hall of Fame. If you divide

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Speaker 1: it into two. It is a neat trick that it's

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Speaker 1: almost exactly Joe Montana's stats. I forget what year it

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Speaker 1: is that you pick where it's like Joe Montana twice

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Speaker 1: or three times if you want to have like a

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Speaker 1: Kurt Warner type career.

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Speaker 2: We've talked enough about Tom Brady on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Bill, I really appreciate you, and I appreciate you finishing

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Speaker 1: out this series with me. We've been covering the league

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Speaker 1: together this whole time, so you to me with perfect

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Speaker 1: person to reflect on these guys, and I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: agree with my top three.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Buddy.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like you're just saying I'm old, but now I

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. No, I'm also I'm also playing at an

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Speaker 3: unprecedented level in my early forties and hope to continue

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Speaker 3: that for years too.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say you were the youngest of

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Speaker 1: all of our guest hosts, but there are certainly veterans

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Speaker 1: who have been in the game longer than you have

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Speaker 1: that contribute, and I wanted to thank them because this

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Speaker 1: is our last episode, so forgive me, Bill, But I

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Speaker 1: did want to thank Brian Baldinger. I mean he he

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Speaker 1: was on Fox back in the nineties. Kevin Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: and Kevin Harlan makes you know, Baldy look like a newcomer,

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Speaker 1: so Kevin Harlan wanted to really thank him. Steve Weiss

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Speaker 1: was covering the game before Bill Barnwell too, and then

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Speaker 1: your great friend Mina Kimes joined us, and of course

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Speaker 1: our friend Nate Tice, who was was the ball boy

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Speaker 1: back for the Vikings back in the day. I also

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Speaker 1: wanted to thank and because this has been a really

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Speaker 1: fun series to do, and it was a lot of

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Speaker 1: work and it took more cooperation UH than usual, and

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Speaker 1: we're taping these shows along with our regular shows, so

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Speaker 1: NFL Research really helped us out with this. UH Media serve,

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Speaker 1: our creator, graphics and our creative team, booking, our social

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Speaker 1: integration team. We don't get a chance to like thank

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Speaker 1: these teams often our TOC and ingest and so everyone

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Speaker 1: did a little extra work than we would normally have

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Speaker 1: to do. We had Westwood One and the local radio call,

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Speaker 1: so thank you to them for the rights to having

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Speaker 1: to do that. And then more than anyone, our guys

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Speaker 1: Gavin in the back, Chris Bobona, our producer, really took

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Speaker 1: charge of this project and did it up right, and

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Speaker 1: so thank you Chris, all under the stewardship of our

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Speaker 1: main guy, Eric Roberts, so thank you very much. NFL

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Speaker 1: Daily is part of the NFL Podcast Network. It is

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Speaker 1: the home for all the official NFL media podcast produced

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Speaker 1: in partnership with iHeartMedia. And Yes, this has been NFL

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Speaker 1: Daily's Top twenty five players of the last twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal and a little later this week, Yes

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Speaker 1: Football will be back with some regular programming.

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Speaker 3: See it