WEBVTT - Two Time Bachelor Brad Womack (Part 1) 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:06.000 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:08.760 This should be interesting. 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:11.040 That's a word for it. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:14.880 I guess this should be interesting. Sitting down with Brad Wollmack. 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.799 Huh, here we go. Man, I'm almost I'm a little 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:23.120 scared about this. I'm gonna be honest, buddy, I am too. 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.280 I was thinking about what you and I were going 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:32.519 to talk about, sure, and then oddly I drew a blank. Okay, 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:36.560 but there's but there's so much material and so much 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:38.839 we haven't talked about, even though you and I have 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:41.879 been friends. What year let's see, what year were you 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:42.360 the Bachelor? 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:44.920 I'll tell you exactly the first time two thousand and seven, 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:47.240 and then second time was twenty. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.200 Ten, two thousand and seven. 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.280 Yes, yes, I'm old. I'm very old. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:53.120 How old are you? 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:53.720 Fifty one? 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:55.320 I say, you're a year younger than me. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:55.640 Yeah. 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.760 Yeah, that was like the rare time you and Byron Velvick, 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.720 the bass fisherman who actually maybe have to look he 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:04.880 might be older than me. So we did this, like 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.160 you know, that was the our version of the Golden Bachelor. 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.520 Back then. It's like, let's do an older guy, and 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.319 so we got Byron Velvic, this bass fisherman, and that 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:21.200 season didn't go awesome. Yeah, but he but we kept 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.360 in touch too. He's a really good guy. Still we 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:26.120 still chat. And then you were the next one where 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:28.760 it wasn't old at the time, because what were we 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:30.640 back in what two thousand and seven? 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:38.360 Was thirty four I believe, yeah, thirty four, thirty thirty four, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.120 thirty four. Jesus see, that's how old I am. I 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:42.559 can't even remember things in the past. 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:43.520 Fourteen years ago. 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:45.839 It was a long time teen years ago. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.880 Holy cow, so I would have been thirty eight. 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:52.280 Wow, yeah, yeah yeah. So well, good times though, really 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:56.400 good times. That's nuts kind of but it was. I 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:58.040 had to throw that in there. We're good. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.040 Well, I'll tell you what. I think we have to 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.080 break this up. Well, because you were the only person 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.440 to be on two Bachelor seasons. You were the Bachelor 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.120 twice for those that don't know, Brad was the Bachelor 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:14.480 in seven and ten, ten, twenty ten, and we had 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.760 never done that before. I think they'll never do it 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:23.399 again after that. But this is also back in the day. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.400 This is old school when we would get really good 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.520 guys find them. You didn't have to be on the 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:32.560 show before, right, yeah, yea, you know it's you know, 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.200 Bob Guiney had come off the Bachelorette. There were a couple, 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:39.200 but it was more like Aaron Burgee, Andrew Firestone, you 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.040 and some of these others where we had never met 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.200 you before. The first time we met you was when 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:46.359 you were the Bachelor. 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.239 Right yeah, yeah, pretty organic way to do it, I 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.600 would imagine, you know, for you guys, and yeah. 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.040 It's well, it was a scary thing because sure we 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.000 liked it because you got to build a story and 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:58.960 you got to know somebody on the show. But the 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.600 other thing is we really you could cheat a little bit, 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.679 and if they were on a prior show, there was 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.200 a built in audience, right. People loved you, people hated you. 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:12.760 They had an idea of what they thought about you. Therefore, 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.120 there was a story built in when the store, when 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.880 the season starts, Okay, I already know what I think 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.160 about Brad Walmack. Now I'll just meet the ladies and 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:24.240 we're off and running makes sense, And so that was 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.200 kind of the change of the show. We felt like 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.160 that was the kind of tie we always wanted to have. 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:32.720 But with you, you were kind of a throwback too. 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:37.200 We just met Brad Walmack, this bar owner from Austin, Texas. 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.480 Sure, yeah, yeah, how. 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.160 Did you become the bachelor? Who found you? How to happen? 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:44.520 I'll tell you it's actually a funny story. It's my 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.960 brother and my business partner at the time. It was 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.040 a Sunday afternoon and as Chad your chid, my twin 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.680 brother and my other business partner, Jason, and true story, 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:55.040 I'm just gonna be honest. We were doing a little 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.280 day drinking and so we wound up at a popular 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.520 restaurant in Austin and and you guys were casting for 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:06.160 the girls, and so we were eating. Casting agent came down, 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.720 tapped me on the shoulder and said, hey, this sounds crazy. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.040 Have you heard of the Batcher? And I'm not gonna lie. 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:12.360 I was a big fan of the show. And then 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.040 you guys, of course were making waves and. 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.040 It would have been huge back then at seven it. 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.680 Was big, man, it was really big, and so there's 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:23.840 obviously a very flattering encounter. Of course, my first reaction 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:25.480 was I don't know if I'm going to be the 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.160 right guy, you know, And she said, well, we can 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.800 be very convincing at least give me your number and 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.760 we'll call you. And sure enough, you guys called it 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.680 think the week after and I was on my way 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.640 to LA So I mean, just I mean fast track, 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.920 can do you know? This wild adventure? You know? 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.320 And who did you meet first? Like, how did that 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:48.400 all go? Because it was different back then than it 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.080 is now. I mean it's it's gotten so much more professional, 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.160 so much more there's so many more levels you got 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.680 to get through back then, right, I'm guessing it was 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.320 you know, a couple of the executive producers and you 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.159 met a couple exis it is and we're off and running. 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.800 That's exactly who what? Who it was? It was well 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.240 Mike of course, and then the show, right, and then 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:12.320 uh Lisa at that's her? Yeah, yeah, And then I 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.760 was fortunate enough to meet the president of ABC at 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.000 the time. But it was such a whirlwind. Man. You 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.920 take a guy from Austin that I had no aspirations 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:21.560 being TV man, I'm sure you see. 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.080 And then you're sitting down, I'm guessing it was Lloyd 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.160 Braun back then. Was that the president of ABC at 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:26.440 the time? 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:28.040 Truly connect it was, And. 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.600 So you're sitting down with the president of ABC exactly. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:31.400 Yeah. Yeah. 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.239 I mean you're like, and they're asking you about love, 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.520 and you're like, what do you want out of life? 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:38.839 Yeah? Well that's actually what it was, you know. And 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:40.880 then you know obviously what I did for living on 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.960 this lowly bar guy. Yeah, and this well no, I 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.280 mean just uh and and I mean, but I'll tell 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.039 you it was one of the coolest experiences of my 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.640 life meeting people of that caliber, of course, and then 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:52.640 you know, it's a it's a story that I'll hold 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:52.880 on to. 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:54.680 I was trying to think the first time you and 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.120 I met, I think. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.200 It was it was either the very first night. I mean, 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.400 obviously we had to have taped something, but. 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.520 We didn't get to hang out a lot before. Like, 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:07.640 there's a lot of times where either it well I'll 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.440 get to know the guys the prior season and you 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.000 hang out a little bit and then you keep in 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.480 touch as they lead into the Bachelor. Other times they'll 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.040 just be in town and I'll get to see them, 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:20.440 maybe we'll go out to dinner before I just my 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.359 recollection is, I don't think that ever happened with you. 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.920 I think you came in hot and I didn't get 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.599 to see you really probably and maybe that first night. 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:30.920 I think that's right. I got to tell you. I'm 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.200 going to sing your praises real quick. I just want 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.440 to tell you something you I was most nervous about meeting. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.040 I just seen you all over the place, and you're 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.839 this larger than life personality, and I have to hand 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:43.760 it to you could not have been cooler man. And 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.400 so we had a lot. 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.960 I think the fact that, well, first of all, thank you. 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.599 Second of all, you and I kind of are cut 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.120 from the same cloth. I think we got each other 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.559 and I found you to be a breath of fresh 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.120 air and a bit of a relief. Well, not that 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.760 I disliked. I mean, Andrew Firestone's one of my best friends. 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:05.200 So is Bob Ginney. I love those guys. But when 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:10.080 there was a guy from Texas, yeah, and about my age, 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:14.880 I'm like, I can do this, like this, I get like, 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:16.000 I understand this. 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:17.640 It was very. 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.760 Easy for me to get to know you, because that's 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.840 part of the pressure for me was to try to quickly. 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.040 You know, again, if I meet you on the driveway 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:26.880 as a Limos pulling up, I got to figure out 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.640 what makes this guy tick? Who is he? What are 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:31.480 the buttons I need to push? How can I get 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:35.960 him to these emotional areas, et cetera. And with you, 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:37.320 I found it very easy. 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:38.760 I appreciate you because. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.440 I feel like you know, you and I are very similar. 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.320 Well again, I appreciate that coming from you. But yeah, 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.480 I mean you could not have been more welcoming, and 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:48.880 frankly I needed it. I mean that was a very 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:53.480 overwhelming experience, especially day one, you know, And yeah, you 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.960 welcomed me with open arms, and so I thank you 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:56.280 for that. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:08:00.120 Did you? Obviously, I'm sure you had some trepidation and 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:05.000 be human if you didn't. But to have your business 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.360 and what's your business? By the way, lowly bar guy, 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.440 you and your brother and your business partner, you guys 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.480 owned own bars here in Austin at the time. I 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.760 think it was just Austin were you. They were massively 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:17.480 successful and you guys were killing it. 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:17.920 Thank you. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.600 And by the way, back in the day, that was 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.360 also the concept of the show. Bachelors would have jobs 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.920 and they would be successful, so therefore you would actually 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:30.120 be considered a catch. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.880 Okay, I'll take that whatever it takes. 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.800 Right, It's an old concept. We got away from it. It 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.480 became like broken people with no jobs. 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:43.440 And I'll tell you, guys, they've had some amazing candidates. 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:47.240 Of course, because I kid, actually a kid, because we 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:47.679 don't care. 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:49.280 I like that. I like that. 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.680 But no. So so that was the original concept, and 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.880 that was like Chris Soles, this farmer from Iowa, you know, 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:58.120 hugely successful and if it wasn't for the show, you know, 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.440 could they find love? And so that was the premise 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.640 of bringing in a guy like Brad Womack of this 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:06.040 guy's working his ass off opening bars. The only thing 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:07.959 he really hasn't found his love. 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.880 Sure, yeah, good premise, of course. 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:11.920 Yeah too bad. It did work. 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:16.319 Hey, thanks thanks for reminding me, man, and I'm out. Thanks. 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.840 It was a great like drop, good seeing you. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.559 But you get into this, you had to have some trepidation, 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.200 and I'm sure there was the this will promote the 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.079 bar business, but what were the other things where you're like, man, 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:30.360 I don't know if I want to do this. 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.199 Man, you know, I got to tell you, I'll back 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.680 up a little bit. I don't know if you realize. 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.320 So I never one time mentioned the bars on air, 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.040 and I did that purposely, you know. And so one, 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:42.280 I didn't want to sell out, but of course, I 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.560 mean it went without saying that, you know, you would 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:48.240 get some exposure, of course, but I took my career 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.480 at the time especially very seriously, and I was a 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:55.960 little worried about it damaging the career. And another thing 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.760 is I know you know me very well, but people don't. 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.240 I'm a really, really shy person, and so I was 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:06.360 petrified of losing anonymity, you know. I mean for so 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.520 many years I had just gone to work, like you said, 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.319 and built a career, tried to find a good girl. 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.720 She wasn't having me, and so anyway, but so I 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.520 went into the first night, admittedly with a lot of 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:18.880 fear and anxiety. 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.240 Well, what was interesting with your time is again remember 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.199 seven were coming into this with Brad. Yes, it was 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.439 a huge show, and yeah there was probably twenty twenty 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.640 four million people watching at the time, So you think, 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.640 how did you want anonymity? But we also didn't have 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:34.240 social media. 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:35.240 You're exactly right. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.560 That was the huge thing. You're exactly You weren't being bombarded. Yes, 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.079 you had to do People Magazine and Entertainment Tonight and 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.559 all that stuff, but you weren't faced with the social 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.280 media dilemma that everybody is now. Sure, so you still 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:48.600 got to you know, the idea was you could leave 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.400 and come back and live your life. 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.760 Right, Yeah, yeah, well that's a good point. I think 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.640 I was just I'm really concerned with what people think 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.800 of me. Unfortunately, you and me both, man. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:00.560 That's honestly, it's one of the things as we bond 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:02.880 over I agree to a fault. 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:04.559 Yes we do, and yes we do. 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:06.840 Sure our therapists will could get together. 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:08.800 We might have the same one. I don't think they 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.880 can disclose that, but we might have the same one anytime. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.199 She's nodding very aggressively, like I've heard this before. Now 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.880 I know what Harris. Okay, yeah, you guys are it. 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.080 Makes us good at what we do. Sure, it actually 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:23.920 makes me a good host because it makes me very 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.040 empathetic and I care, and again I care too much. 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.599 You're the same being in the service industry that you 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:32.960 get in, not your whole life. But you know, for 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.080 the most part, sure it serves you. 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:35.439 Well. 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.800 Well, I appreciate one of our greatest weaknesses is also 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:39.280 a strength. 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.360 Well yeah, okay, well I like that take on it, 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.199 of course, and I do want to sing your praises 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.640 another time as far as you caring, but you're by 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.280 far the most compassion one of the most compassionate people, 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.520 and so it makes it easy for guys like me 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.200 or contestants, whatever you want to call it. Whenever you 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.080 do come in with that anxiety, you kind of tamp 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.640 that down a little bit. So we appreciate you. Man. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.840 It's like it's a weird thing. And I always I 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.000 was always very empathetic because it was interesting that people 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.520 in the control room they're removed, right, they're just looking 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.319 through a monitor and they're they're looking on screen and 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.920 they they they're not going to get dirty, they're not 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.360 going to get oil on them, so it's easy for them. 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.440 And they're in their little earpiece to like or in 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.320 my earpiece to say, hey, say this to Brad or 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.920 make Brad do this, or you know, they're not feeling 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:29.080 the nerves, the tension, the fear, the excitement, the sorrow, 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:32.560 all those emotions that I would feel by standing on 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.800 that wet driveway sure as the limos pull up, or 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.839 as a girl just walked through, and you know, there's 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.960 so many things you guys are trying to do that 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:45.600 gets lost because we're watching the show and we just 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:49.079 want you guys to you know, you're kind of jumping 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:50.920 through hoops all that, but you guys are kind of 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.520 serving a lot of masters. And I'm sure you felt this. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.040 You can speak to this. You wanted to please me, 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:57.920 you wanted to please the network, You want to make 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.440 sure your family's proud, you want to like you know, 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.800 there's a thousand things other than just I would like 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:04.400 to find love. 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.720 Well, another thing and the most important thing I'll be 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.520 the first admit again, is I wanted to make a 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:11.960 good impression on the women. Yeah. I mean, let's face it, 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.240 you guys, there are some amazing I know I use 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.840 that word too much, but there are some amazing women 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.720 that come through that show. And then seeing every single 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:22.760 one of them get out of the limo and you're thinking, well, 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.320 you know, you almost kind of have imposter syndrome. What 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:26.760 the hell am I doing here? 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.480 You know, I would think so, of course. 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.360 I mean, I'm standing next I'm not again just building 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.840 you up, but standing next to Chris Harrison. I'm on 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.520 one of the most popular shows on television on one 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:42.320 of the most popular networks. And then meetings some just beautiful, achieved, 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:46.160 I guess, motivated women. And so yeah, it was just 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:47.360 it was really nerve wracking. 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.280 Well, it's hard to understand the power of the mansion. 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.160 The lights. Of course, everything's on you. And then when 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:54.839 you you know, we talk about it and we get 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.120 you ready and we prepped you and all that, but 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:00.360 until it's you know, until the director, you know, Fuke 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.840 says all right, you know, roll the first limo in sure, 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.960 and you have that realization of because then I leave 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:08.280 and you're standing there alone. 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:09.160 Where'd you go, buddy? 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.640 You're standing there by yourself on that driveway and the 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.840 limo pulls up. You're like, oh shit, right, you see 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:18.040 the lights, the camera and its action time. That's that's 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:19.400 a big pill to swallow. 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.120 It is and and but it's so exciting man, and 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.120 and you know, of course I do have some regrets 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.000 just on some of the things I personally did before 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:33.160 and after the show. But I'm so grateful for that time, man, 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.480 and and the relationships that I made with you and 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:39.120 some of the girls and some of the producers and everything. 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:40.920 So yeah, wouldn't have traded anything. 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:44.440 What regrets before and after, during and after you. 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.920 Know, well, some of the things I say and do. 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.000 I'm a complete idiot, man, I'll be the first to say. 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:54.440 I mean, we all are it Jesus buddy. But you 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.760 know I didn't carry myself in in ways that I 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.000 normally do back home. I don't know if I got 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.720 up in moments. I don't have specific examples, but I 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.480 really do. It's not like I watch it back, especially now, 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.200 but some of the episodes, I'm thinking that that's not you. 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:10.760 I don't know if I was trying to put on 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.480 a facade, and because that's typically not like me. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:15.840 You know, I don't think you were putting on airs like. 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.600 I never got the feeling you were being disingenuous. 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:20.200 I hope not. 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:24.000 But what I think is if I was your therapist, 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.000 and I was for a short. 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.760 Time, yes you were. Yes, you're much appreciate. In fact, 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.520 you still have an invoice to me. Thank you. 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:34.640 No, what I saw from you is you try so hard. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.120 You always do this, and this happens in our own 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.360 life when we're at dinner or whatever. You try hard 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.280 to make everybody feel loved and appreciates. 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:41.480 Man. 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.680 So you know when you were with those women, I 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.000 think again, you were trying to please everybody. You're trying 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.440 to please the camera guy, the audio, you know, the 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.960 producers and take care of these ladies. And I think 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:54.840 the way that you really have to go through that 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.400 show is you got to be a little selfish. 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.760 You know what. That's a that's an outstanding point, actually, 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.320 And I don't That's one thing I'll give credit for. 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.160 I don't think I have a selfish bone in my body, right, 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:07.880 And I think a lot of that. I could see 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.040 a lot of that same fear and anxiety and the 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.840 women and come on, man, we're supposed to be protectors 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:14.880 as men, you know, we just start even if I 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.720 just met these girls, and whether they asked for that 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.120 protection or not, but so a lot of times I 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.200 would I try to make them feel okay, and all 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:26.720 the time I'm just going absolutely insane inside. But it 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.720 worked out, man, And so maybe, you know, regret might 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.560 be a strong word. I just look back and I wonder, 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:34.680 you know, what was I thinking at that moment, you know, 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:35.160 because I was. 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.000 Going to ask you are you were a regret guy. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:38.280 I'm not a big regret guy. 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.360 I'm not either. I'm not either. So maybe again that 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.200 might have been the wrong word. So maybe I just 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.000 would have done things differently. I mean, I have the 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.600 benefit of watching it if I want to change anything. 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.360 Well, that's like when you wake up on Monday and 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.320 watch the Sunday football game. It's easy to break down game. 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:55.400 There you go, it's easy. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.880 There you go, Monday Morning Quarterback. But that's why the 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.920 show is so great, right, And there's still that audience, 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:07.800 that insatiable appetite for these reality shows and shows like 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.840 this sure is because we get to judge. I mean, 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:12.840 you are the Monday Morning quarterback and you get to 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.200 watch Brad Womack and everyone like him, you know, trip 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.960 and fall and make mistakes and find love or not 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.240 find love, and we get to watch that and judge it. 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.960 You know what on that Yeah, that's actually an exciting 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:25.720 way to put it, you know. And so you're right, 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.800 but sometimes, you know, court of public opinion could be 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.679 really brutal. We all know that. We all know that. 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:34.680 Just try not pick you get anybody. 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.800 That leads us to Okay, we're in season one, So 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.879 this is two thousand and seven, and it's not like 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:55.280 we had had a run of great success. It's not 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.720 like we had all these marriages by then. Trista had 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.560 been married. Yeah, yeah, you know, we had gone through 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:06.960 several seasons where there had been engagements, but nothing hugely successful, 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.040 right other than Tristan Ryan. You're still hanging on. 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.160 To that one the way the best great people. 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.440 It just had her on the podcast not too long ago, 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.760 and it's still like we fall right back into place. 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.280 Like when you come in. It's like there's just certain 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.520 moments in time and certain people from the show where 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.680 I see him and I don't care if I haven't 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.119 seen you for five years, yeah, man or five minutes. 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.240 We're just you just fall right back into it. I agree, 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.960 we're you're concerned percent. When you walked in the door, 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:36.320 I just you came. You just came to the door. 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.600 By the way, this is only the second home interview 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:40.399 I've done. 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.919 No kidding, Yeah, oh now I feel I'm damn sure. 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:44.320 It feels special, taking large part. 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.440 Because no one wants to see me, I think, secondly 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:51.320 because now I live in Austin. But so Jason Tartick 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.760 was here. Oh nice Jay, Jay did it. And so 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:56.720 you're you're the second home interview. 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:58.840 Yeah, yeah, I've heard good things about Jason. By the way, 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.240 he's a Nashville guy. Right he is. 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.800 Yeah, he's trying to get out now. So yeah, you're 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:03.440 you're number two. 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:05.680 Well, I appreciate the invite very much. 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:08.040 It's the only way I could get you to come 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:08.600 out to the house. 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.920 Come on, man, you know when Chris Harris, I think 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.720 I told your producers this whenever they texted me and 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:16.880 asked me to come on here. But if you asked 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.040 me to do anything, I'm doing it. Period. I mean 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:20.359 it's it's I'm doing it. 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:21.600 So I've always been that good. 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:23.840 Well, no, no, no, no one. I'm not looking for accola 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.600 or a pat on the back. I'm just saying one, 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.480 I know you always come from a good place. And two, 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.439 I just want to see you. I mean, this is 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.000 cool and all. I just want to hang out with you. 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.760 Well, I will tell two stories that will define Brad Womack. 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:38.800 Uh oh, and I tell these stories all the time. 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.800 You are still the only person who's ever been on 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.480 the show that gave me a parting gift. 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.640 Oh well, thanks man, I mean you never of course 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.600 I do. I'm getting embarrassed, but yeah, what it was, 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:53.320 I don't remember what it was. I know I gave 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:53.840 you a gift. 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.280 There was a shirt I love that you had. This 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.920 is okay, this is back before you know, I kept 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.360 wardrobe and all that stuff, and you had a shirt 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:04.119 and I'm like, god, I love that shirt and you 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:05.800 wore it maybe a couple of times on the show. 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.800 And clearly, if you're looking at this video, we're not 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:13.680 the same size. I'm actually a normal sized human. Jesus man, 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:17.840 you are a bulk of a huge Come on, we'll 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.959 get into that in a minute. Sure, clearly we're not 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:25.320 the same size. I'm a sh medium and you're an excel. 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.240 So what you did, though, is when the show was over, 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.840 you wrote me a note and you went and bought 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.760 that shirt and you gave it to me. It was 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:37.960 like this plaid, red and blue shirt, gotcha. And you 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:41.159 also got something for Carrie Fetman, who should wardrobe, and 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:46.240 Gina Medica, who has been my longtime makeup artist. And 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.800 to this day, you were the only bachelor or bachelorette 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.520 who has given me a little something, just said just 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.040 to say thank you, even though at the first season 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.000 was a disaster, did go well and it didn't go 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.399 well for you, but you gave me. Now, there is 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:03.480 one other bachelor and I will not out him. 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:05.680 Okay, Okay, he did. 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.679 Kind of give me, Carrie and Gina a gift. Okay, 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:11.040 it was a signed headshot. 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.920 No it wasn't. I know, it wasn't. I shit you not, Brad, 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:19.240 if I ever give you a head shot much less assign, 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:20.760 wouldn't punch me in the face. 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:22.960 Swear to you. Really, it was the weirdest moment. I 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:24.679 thought it was a joke at first, and then I 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.480 realized there was a note written on it and he 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:32.000 sincerely gave us a headshot say thank you gift. Well, 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:33.800 and I thought, you know what, I'm going to take 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.240 the positive here, and he thought of us enough to 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:40.199 write something on his own photo that he gave. I 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.480 think I still have it. I think I kept it 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.160 in this draw right behind his ear. But so these 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.119 head shots, I don't even know if they still do this. 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.479 But when a bachelor would come in, we do our 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:54.040 fittings for clothes and all that we have the ABC photographer, 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.040 we would do like a whole press kit. We would 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:57.960 do photos for you. So if we ever went out 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.359 and you know, did a press meeting or whatever, we'd 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:03.600 sign you'd had those those head shots and you know, 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:05.200 it used to be that was kind of a bigger 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:07.840 deal than you know, again, pre social media, you would 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.520 sign photos. Sure, So that was the only other person 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.520 that's given a gift is was this bachelor who will 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:17.240 remain nameless. You're welcome, but he gave us signed headshots 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:19.040 and I'll never forget because he gave it to us. 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:21.399 And he walked out and Gina and Carrie and I 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.360 were sitting there packing up, and we all just looked 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:26.439 at each other, like did that just happen? 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:30.320 That's uh. I feel bad for how I feel inside 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:34.199 after it was so because I want to think that 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:37.440 came from a sincere place, but yeah, it was who. 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.280 Knows not great? Do you remember any of the women 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:41.880 from your first season? 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:45.080 Could you? I'm not that old, okay, I. 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:47.920 Think we all know. I think unless you are too 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:49.600 young and you haven't watched the show, which is shoot good, 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:51.680 but I could watch it. Deanna pappas of course, Jinny 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.040 Croft where your final two? Who were some other kind 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.200 of stars from that first season? First and foremost man 0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:59.320 who I love still to this day. I love to 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:02.359 death and deep into the show, Yeah, of course, And 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.840 I mean just an amazing girl. Anyway, did we travel 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:06.800 at all for that first season? 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:10.320 Not much. I mean I think I think you guys 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:11.480 were going through a rough patch. 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:14.280 Twelve two thousand and seven, we didn't do well. We've 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:16.080 kind of hadn't gotten to the point where we traveled 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:19.200 a whole bunch. That was really kind of kickoff in 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:23.000 Charlie O'Connell's season. Good then, But by the time he 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.640 came back in twenty ten, we did right, We definitely 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:26.080 traveled well. 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:28.480 So we went to Cabo in two thousand and seven, 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:30.640 and I know you know where I'm going with this, right, 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:33.040 tell the story. I want to sing your praises. I 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:35.159 always thought highly of you, but this is when I 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:38.200 knew you were a very real man. If this makes sense. 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:42.520 So we're in Kabo San Lucas and unfortunately, well let 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:43.800 me let me back up a little bit. I'll make 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:44.120 it quick. 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:45.200 Yeah, no, tell the whole story. 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:47.080 We had a very rare night out. Yeah, okay, and 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:49.119 Kabo San Lucas a pretty wild spot. We all know 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:51.080 that it's fun, but it can get a little rough. 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.280 But this is also before this is kind of old 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:58.440 school days where there weren't really many rules to our 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:01.000 production and what I mean say is there's no there 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:05.720 was no professionalism, there was no line between production casts whatever. 0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:07.280 You know, said yes, okay. 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:11.359 So that changed dramatically after a huge flame out and 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:15.360 a big blow up, massive proportions that almost killed the show, 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:17.960 and you know, people went off to rehab and many 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:23.080 things happened. But back then, as you know, we would 0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:25.920 wrap for the night and then we would all go out. 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:28.360 You and clude and man. Yeah, and so we're all 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:32.040 in a van, yes, and three of the production guys, which, 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:34.160 by the way, I love that whole cruise. 0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:35.640 So we went to do you remember where we went? 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:38.399 I think it was squid Row or Giggling Marlin. 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:40.080 We went to a few plays where it's squid Row. 0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:42.320 Okay, So squid Row is again and there was a 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:44.800 dust up and and I know it was with three 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:47.320 of the production guys, and you and I were already 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:48.560 in the van, right. 0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:50.480 We had left and we had pulled around. 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:53.520 That's exactly right. And we look over and these guys 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.160 are in in a little dust up with some locals, 0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.840 and you said, I'm not going to watch this happen. 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:01.479 I'm going to get out of the van and help him. 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:03.760 Of course, I'm going to help him too. We're both 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:05.720 trying to get after him, and of course it was 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:09.439 one of the executive producers, but threatened both of us 0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:11.520 with a lawsuit. I don't know if you remember that. Okay, yeah, 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:13.520 you can get out of the van. You're both going down. 0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:16.000 And we were in like a twelve seater van. Yes, 0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:17.440 we were rows, and you and I were kind of 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.640 two rows back from the door right and we were 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:22.359 pulling around, you know, from the parking lot because you 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:25.199 and I were heading back to the hotel. And you 0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:27.160 were the first one that said, oh, ho crap, there's 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:29.240 a fight, and we're like, I thought it was kind 0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:32.600 of cool at first, and then we saw oh my god, 0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:35.399 that's our crew. Sure, and you know, we think of 0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:37.720 those guys as brothers, family, and so I was like, 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:41.439 screw that. Stop the car, the guy the driver stops 0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:44.400 the car. Sure, I go to grab the door. I'm 0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:46.720 climbing over the seats, just coming after me, and we're 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:49.360 like going to jump into this frakas outside of the 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:50.000 squid row. 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:51.000 And yes we were. 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:55.159 And that's when I think it was David David Albrick. 0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:57.080 That it had to have been David, because I mean, 0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:58.520 he made no bones about it. 0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:01.200 And she jumped in front of the door. You cannot 0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:03.840 get out of this van, threatened us and told the 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.600 driver to drive. And we were screaming as we were 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:08.520 pulling off, trying to get out of the car to 0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:10.880 join this fight with these locals. 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:14.639 Well, he definitely mentioned a lawsuit and whether it was 0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:16.840 just instill fear. But I got to tell you, man, 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:21.480 that shows your character that you know, above anything else, 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:25.439 you are a good friend to people. You care about people. 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:27.960 And so I tell that story. I've told that story 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.560 a thousand times over. I might embellows it a little bit, 0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:32.480 like I was the first one jumping out of the van. 0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:35.280 I'm kidding, but I held you back. 0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:37.920 But it is funny, Like how funny is that when 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:41.359 I think about if David hadn't been where he was, 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:43.040 Like if we had been reversed, if you and I 0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:44.800 had been sitting in the front seat, he had been 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.320 in the back. And there's no reason it wasn't the opposite. 0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:48.879 We just happened to get in the van first and 0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:50.600 you and I hopped in the back. If it had 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:54.159 been the opposite, you and I. In two thousand and seven, sure, 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.480 the Bachelor and the host. You would have jumped into 0:26:56.520 --> 0:27:00.400 a fight outside squid Rus. Yes, we would have probably 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:01.600 gotten this kicked out. 0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:04.920 Of course we would have come on, man, I mean, 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:07.040 neither one. I don't know about you. I can't fight. 0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:08.400 I don't want to fight. 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:10.399 You and I would have been going at it. 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:12.840 But it would have made for a good story. 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:14.760 It would have made I mean, luckily, it makes for 0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.639 a good story. And despite the fact of how you 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:22.080 see me, I've never broken this nose, but that like, 0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:24.800 we came moments away from just being in a full 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:26.520 out brawl in the streets of Mexico. 0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:29.680 Yeah, I mean. And again, the takeaway from that story 0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:31.879 is just how much you care for your friends, you know. 0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:33.879 And so I love the crew, and I still have 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.680 friends on the crew and producers as well, and and 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:39.879 and love them because, as you know, it is very intimate, 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:45.160 it's very personal. We would travel, you know, we saw marriages, divorces, 0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:49.240 babies being born, people passing away in our lives, and 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:51.159 you know, we were this it was almost like a 0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:55.159 traveling circus or a rock group that would travel, you know, 0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:58.840 on tour. We were together a lot and alone a lot. Yeah, 0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:02.280 you rely on each other, and so these people meant 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:04.040 a lot to us all, and he tried to take 0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:05.800 care of him. And even if it was you know, 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:09.160 after we had way too many tequila shots at squid Row. 0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:11.440 But that was I mean, those were the old days 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:17.120 where we finished shooting. Remember Cassie was there, he and everybody. 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:20.160 We were, you know, doing shots and dancing our asses off, 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.399 and we were soaking wet, just sweating and had a blast. 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:24.920 And then we got up the next day and shot 0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:25.320 more dates. 0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:28.040 Yes we did, Yes, we did. It was a good time, man, 0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:30.879 And so, yeah, you're right. Even in twenty ten it 0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:32.960 changed a little bit. Yeah, I mean I could tell, 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:36.359 you know, it was like, oh, no, you're not going 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.680 anywhere after we're filming, you know, And so I just 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:41.200 hid in my little corner and did what I was. 0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.160 Well, there was a downtime you mentioned that, and there 0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:45.600 was a downtime in the show where I had heard 0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:50.280 Lloyd Brown actually had canceled the show. Oh, where the 0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:53.080 show was dead and it was not coming back right, 0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:56.120 And partly because they you know, deep down, I think 0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:58.239 they wanted to kill it. They did not like the 0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:01.800 creator of the show. There was all this horribly contentious 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:06.560 relationship between the network and the production interesting. 0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:07.280 I didn't know that. 0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:10.840 Then they hated each other, okay, and then there was 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:13.640 me that was like the bastard stepchild, kind of like 0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:16.479 trying to keep everybody happy and trying to be the 0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:21.000 liaison between these two warring factions. And it was really weird. 0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:23.760 But you know, rumor had it that he had canceled 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:26.959 the show. And then that's when we did Doctor Travis 0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:28.720 Stork and we went to France. 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:30.560 Yeah, yeah, okay, and we. 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:32.760 Went to Paris and we're like, screw it, We're just 0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:35.440 gonna go shoot in Paris and spend all the money. 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:37.640 And then his show did really well, and then the 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:39.160 next thing, you know, we came back and then there 0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:42.000 was Doctor Andy Baldwin and the show's back. Yeah, and 0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:44.440 you know, in Jake Pavelka and then you know, now 0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:47.720 we've gone for twenty some odd years, but back then 0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.440 there was that time when we had really gone high. 0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:53.640 And then because it was a dysfunctional family at the time, 0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:55.240 we were kind of falling apart. 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.080 So you're told, meself, why I was selected. I throw 0:29:58.120 --> 0:29:59.440 anyone in there, it doesn't matter. 0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:03.280 Know what I'm saying is this is what I wanted 0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:06.560 to ask you had to. I know you felt I did. 0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.320 That I did, and and that's something yeah, I think 0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:09.960 about often. 0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:12.479 I know there was a couple of executive producers that 0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:15.160 you you know, we will name names, we'll go into 0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:18.120 too many intimate details. But there were some rough nights. 0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:21.800 There you hit the nail on the head. And you know, 0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:25.720 I'll admit there were some times what the hell am 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:29.360 I putting myself into? You know, like why did I 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.480 even make this decision? I don't have to do this, 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:34.440 you know, And I try to kind of go with 0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:37.520 the flow a little bit. I was extremely grateful for 0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:42.720 the opportunity, but it sure didn't seem reciprocated. And and 0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:45.160 you could tell, I mean, anybody with half a brain 0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:48.400 could tell that there were a lot of different people 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.640 going in a lot of different directions, you know, and 0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:55.280 and frankly, it didn't seem like anyone cared about the 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:58.760 actual show, you know. And so I mean, you know, 0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.680 you've got a guy, like I said, completely untalented, and 0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:03.320 you know, I'm just trying to do what I'm told. 0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:06.120 But yeah I did. I butted heads with some of 0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:08.760 the producers big time. And on that same note, though 0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:11.800 I fell in love with some of the other producers, right, 0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:12.040 you know. 0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:14.720 And that's the thing is there was this well and 0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:19.400 so back in O seven especially, I was really you know, 0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:23.440 separated from talent from you, you know. I mean we 0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.080 were together, we'd go out and stuff like that, but 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:27.560 as far as the production side of things, I wasn't 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:29.680 there to protect you. I wasn't there to produce. I 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:32.200 wasn't even really a producer per se at the time. 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:34.640 I was just kind of doing what I was told 0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:37.480 by the executive producers that were really running the thing. 0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:40.200 And like you said, then there was this big gap 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:44.960 between the executive producers at the time and then those 0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.479 producers under them, And I think those under them are 0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:49.920 the ones you really found to be lovely and became 0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.880 very good friends with, and they were really intimately trying 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:56.080 to help you. Then there was the executive producers that 0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:57.040 were it was a mess. 0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:01.120 It was rough, man, I mean it was rough. And yeah, 0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:04.240 you know, just uh again, I don't know what to 0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:06.880 expect in that situation. I don't know what I'm getting in, 0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:10.920 would you exactly? And so I'm a little unfair, but 0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:13.160 I mean, hey, look, trust may I'm no one to 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:15.800 have a victim mentality. It's just I think we made 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:30.959 it through, and unfortunately it turned out how it did well. 0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:35.120 That was season one, and obviously there is a season 0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:37.400 two to come for you that we didn't know about. 0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:40.880 But at the end of season one, all I remember 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:44.640 is we get to the end. Yes, and again I'm 0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:46.640 a little bit separated. So when I show up that 0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:50.040 final day, we shoot your final day in Malibu, that's 0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:51.920 how old school the show is. We're still shooting in 0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:56.760 l A. Yeah, sure, we have a beautiful house, noting 0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.160 a beautiful house. And I remember showing up that day 0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:02.760 and this is how naive I was back then. I asked, 0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:06.000 Who's who's he gonna propose to? Yeah, that's how out 0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:07.160 of it out of touch? 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:08.840 Are you kidding me? You didn't know. 0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:12.640 No, I didn't know, because I would, you know. I 0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:14.840 was definitely on a need to know basis back then. 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:19.640 They they When I say they, I'm talking about there 0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:22.320 are two or three executive producers who were really running 0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:27.440 the show back then. They were uh, control freaks and 0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:32.360 definitely kind of megalomaniacs in their personalities, and they really 0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:36.360 controlled information. That's how they controlled you. That's how they 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:39.440 controlled the producers under them. That's how they controlled everybody 0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:42.080 h and myself included. That's how they wanted to you know, 0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:44.600 they really wanted to have everybody under their thumb, and 0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:47.479 part of that was by controlling information. And so I 0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:50.520 didn't really know exactly what was going to happen that 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:51.120 final day. 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.120 Can I ask you something honest question? Yeah, not the 0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:57.600 not the podcast answer, but an honest answer. Really, were 0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:00.320 you disappointed in me that I didn't pick any. 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:04.080 No, but I was shocked. I told you so when 0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:07.000 we talked that day. So again, if you guys didn't 0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.600 remember this season, it was the first time ever that 0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:12.920 a Bachelor didn't choose anybody. At the end of the show. 0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:17.760 It was down to Deanna and Jenny and two lovely women. 0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:21.319 You really appreciate it and like them both. I knew that, 0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:28.040 and Brad Womack didn't choose anybody. Here's what I remember 0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:31.319 about that day. There was a guy named Jason, who 0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.200 was Jason Carbone who worked on the show at the time, 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:36.440 and you were tight with him, and he was working 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:39.240 with you intimately. And then there were the executive producers, 0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:42.439 and I remember the tension. I remember walking on set 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:45.560 that day and everybody was really fired up, like what's happening. 0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:48.800 It's supposed to be you know, it's final day. And 0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:51.359 they said, he's not going to choose anybody, but we're 0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:54.160 working on him. We'll get him to flip, We'll get him. 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.840 And I'm like, okay, well, just that sentence alone is 0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.400 really left up. Of course, if he doesn't want to 0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:02.000 pick anybody, and we're going to try to convince him 0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:04.520 to do something that he clearly doesn't want to do. Sure, 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.400 we're in a pickle. This is this is not great. Sure, 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:14.680 and I saw you and you were despondent and definitely 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:16.239 uh detached. 0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:20.759 Of course. Yeah, can I explain that, Yes, I give 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.080 you my word. This is as sincere as I can be. 0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:26.319 I was thinking more about the girls, and and only 0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.359 because I knew I had already dug my grave. Man, 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:31.280 I mean, I knew this was going to be really bad. 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:35.279 And again mentioning the producers, they let me know it 0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:37.879 was going to be really bad for me. And it's 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:40.640 not It's not a good thing to walk into, right, 0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:44.959 but but I swear to God above man thinking about 0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:47.040 both Jenny and Deanna because I did care for both 0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:50.640 of them. They deserved much better than me. But they 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:55.520 also deserve the truth, right, and so that show unfortunately, 0:35:56.520 --> 0:36:00.480 you know the premise you kinda even if it's involveoluntarily 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:03.520 lead people on, you just do. Yeah. I never said 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:05.040 the word I love you to either one of them. 0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:07.880 I was very adamant about that. But anyway, so I 0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:10.880 was thinking about this, and I was really nervous about 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.160 how that would go for those two women. I didn't 0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:16.760 want them to think I was trying to publicly embarrass them. Yeah, 0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:21.799 and again I had, unfortunately producers in my ear kind 0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:24.920 of beating me up a little bit. Oh yeah, normally 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:26.640 we have a rap party. You're not getting wey, I 0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:28.760 mean telling me that before we're filming. 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:32.680 With Okay, you're being too nice. I remember, Yeah that day, Yeah, 0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:35.000 there was a knockdown drag out five. 0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:37.840 Yes there was. There was. I'm glad you're bringing that up. 0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:41.480 Yes there was. It was just wild. It's kind of 0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:44.960 Hollywood stuff, you know. And and let's just call it 0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:49.160 the proverbial open checkbook to make me change my mind, right, 0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:51.919 And I'm so glad I have a chance to tell 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:55.160 people this right now, because i'd hold back. But and 0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:57.160 I very very proudly. 0:36:57.440 --> 0:36:59.080 Declined I've never heard this. 0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.839 You didn't know that hand to God. That's a true story, man, 0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:05.000 I believe I'm a hand to God. And and I've 0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.439 never heard that story. And and that's it did get. 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:09.520 I wasn't in the room that day. Yeah, they kept 0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:10.480 oh no, you weren't. 0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.719 It was uh, well, you know, yeah, four of the 0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:17.440 it was the four right and and so, and it 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.080 was just one of those things that basically, what will 0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:24.160 it take? And and I'm really proud about that moment. 0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.880 But after that, after they knew there was no flipping 0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:28.960 because again I never knew they said, We're going to 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:32.440 try to flip into you and and so, but it 0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:36.720 got really rough. Man reminded that, you know, I'm nothing 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:40.000 without the show, and okay, great. I mean, you know, 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:43.560 one last thing I'll say about that whole situation though, 0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:46.479 in my very initial interview went by the very first 0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.319 one in LA and it was all on camera. I 0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:52.399 looked to the camera and I was laughing saying this, 0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:54.080 and I said, I want to say this to the camera. 0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:56.200 I might not be the right guy because if I'm 0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:58.360 not feeling it, I'm not going to pick anybody. And 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:00.320 I brought that up in that meeting that I was 0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:03.719 telling you about, and I said, please review the tape 0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:08.319 man and so anyway, but yeah, unfortunately they didn't take it. Well. 0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:11.560 I get it, there's you know that show, there's an 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:15.120 expected ending, But to me, that's real life. I didn't 0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:16.400 go on there to fake it. 0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:19.319 And what when you asked me, was I ever disappointed? 0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:22.120 My answer is absolutely not, because I thought that was 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:25.120 the most real ending we'd ever had. And that's not 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:27.360 to say obviously Ryan and Trista and people got married, 0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:29.080 that was very real. But what I mean by that 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.960 is this was the truth, like, this is what happened. 0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.239 I never thought the show was successful or that it 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.120 was predicated on the fact that it had to be 0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:41.280 successful in the end. I think the realism is sometimes 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:44.040 it doesn't work out sure life, and to pretend and 0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:48.480 to have a fake, you know, proposal, which we had 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:50.160 had up to that point. We had had a few 0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:52.719 couple fake ones. Sure that they just wanted an ending 0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.480 and the person felt pressure, probably like you did, and 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:58.279 they they caved, maybe they took a check, who knows, 0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:01.880 who knows, but at the time they did propose, and 0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:06.040 then you know, they would quickly fall apart and there's 0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:08.240 different reasons for that, right, you want to impress everybody, 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.239 You want to, you know, keep the girl happy, you 0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:12.200 want you know, you you do things for a lot 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:15.480 of reasons. But in your situation, I thought I had 0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:18.200 no problem with it. My only problem was I really 0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:21.240 liked you as a friend by then, and I was thinking, 0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:23.240 this guy is going to get crushed. 0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:24.480 Oh man, he's. 0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:26.279 Going to get his ass kicked in the court of 0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:28.960 public opinion. And I did, even though you let everybody 0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:32.040 down gently and you were very honest, honest about it. Sure, 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:33.240 but you got your ass. 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:36.520 Kicked, buddy. I this is another thing you don't know 0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:38.799 that I'll tell you. I'll tell you how bad it got. 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.600 I can sum it up, you know, about three months 0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:44.400 after that, and I was just getting railed, man, And 0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:47.800 thank god there was no social media then. I can't imagine. 0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:49.000 I mean, I just can't imagine. 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:51.400 And the show wasn't exactly protecting you because they were 0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:51.880 mad at you. 0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:54.240 Oh no, I mean they And you know, I actually 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:56.239 kind of understand that I was thrown under the bus 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:58.160 by the show. But I kind of understand that. I 0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:01.200 get it. I get it, I mean, shield of course, 0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:04.040 but also I mean just call it clickbait for ratings. 0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:07.080 I mean, you know, yeah, he's a terrible persone. I 0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:09.279 get all of that to understand it kind of what 0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:13.319 I signed up for. But about three months into that, 0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:17.879 the the public beating, I lost my voice for like 0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:21.120 eight weeks straight. I couldn't speak, and I mean I 0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:22.400 mean literally had to write. 0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:23.160 Down my stress. 0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:25.520 Stress. Yeah. I would go to every specialist and then 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:28.360 finally a I went to the therapist and she realized 0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:30.719 there was stress. And I'm kind of embarrassed to a 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:32.560 bit that because I wish I could say that I 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.520 have such thick skin. Shit. But I mean I lived 0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:37.520 in a high rise, right. People would come to the 0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:39.600 front door, try to get up and just to tell 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.759 me to f off and thank God for security. I mean, 0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.800 I'd be at gas stations and sweet looking young girls 0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:47.759 would come up just give me the middle finger walk away. 0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:49.160 True story, yeah, true story. 0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:54.680 So but anyway, it was uh a wild time because 0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:58.360 you know, when anybody says, and I'll defend anybody on 0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:00.400 the show, I don't care who you are, when anybody 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:04.440 says you signed up for this, sure, yes, technically you 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:06.640 signed on the dotted line, but there is no way 0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:10.520 that a bar owner from Austin, Texas is in any 0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:15.520 way prepared for what you're going to face and whether 0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:16.399 it was good or bad. 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:17.879 Well, I agree with that. Man. 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:20.640 It's like I always say, it's like being shot out 0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:22.879 of a cannon without a net on the other side. Yes, sir, 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:25.760 you know you No one prepares you to go from 0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:29.760 you know, the concrete cowboy over in Austin to Jimmy 0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.920 Kimmel Live, and back then was probably Jay Leno the 0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:36.399 morning shows. You know, like you just you're the Dance 0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:38.759 and Chicken all of a sudden absolute it is. It's 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:42.439 hard to fathom how much attention you get, especially back 0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:46.760 then before social media, but the interest level was so high. 0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:49.120 Well and on that note, man, you know what's so 0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:52.080 funny and one of the main motivators of me doing 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:55.160 the show is and now I think you know me 0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:58.400 very well. Now I'm a really shy person. Man, I 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:00.680 don't like attention you are. Yeah, well, I don't know 0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:02.120 what I'm thinking here knowing. 0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:05.480 You later after the second season, I never I'm like, 0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:07.799 how the hell and why the hell did this guy 0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:08.560 ever do the show? 0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:10.839 I'll tell you why. Man. I was talking about twin 0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:14.160 brother Chad and said before I ever went on and said, 0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:16.480 maybe this is a good way to force me out 0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:20.000 of that box. I mean, I'm in a very social industry, 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:24.480 meaning bar business and hospitality, and maybe this is a way. 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:26.920 Maybe that's why I haven't met the right one who knows, 0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:29.840 you know. And so anyway, and we mentioned at the 0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:31.560 beginning of this, I do care what people think. So 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:32.359 it was a rough time. 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.719 But yeah, it's funny. Your personality is not one that 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:37.880 I would think because it's not like you have this 0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:42.239 type a overly you're a charismatic guy. But you know, 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:45.640 when you're in an intimate situation, you're you're fantastic. But 0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:51.080 I get the shyness in you. Surely you're not a 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:52.759 I want to be in the lifelike kind of g 0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:54.880 I'm still not on social media today. 0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:57.360 I still love that. I think I'm the only dinosaur 0:42:57.640 --> 0:42:59.839 that is never Actually I tried Instagram for about six 0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:03.240 weeks and posted one thing and it made my skin crawl. 0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:04.440 It was so disingenuous. 0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:06.400 God bless you made it out alive, man. 0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:09.200 I mean, I'm telling you. And so anyway, yeah, it 0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:12.000 was just rough just being thrown at that spotlight, especially 0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:13.080 such a negative one. 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:18.000 Before we go on this episode. What was the reaction 0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:21.640 of Deanna and Jenny when you did? You know, obviously 0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:23.400 in the moment we all watched it on TV. But 0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:25.960 after did you ever talk to them later? Do you 0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:27.600 keep in touch with either one of them? 0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:29.160 You know? I wish I kept in touch, you know 0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:33.560 that when I talked to them after that. The first 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:37.360 time was when we filmed the first night of my 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:40.760 second season. Okay, and so many people thought that was scripted. 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:43.040 I'll tell it it was not there. It was not. 0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:46.160 It was scripted by us. We had planned it clearly, 0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:47.360 of course you did. 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:49.800 I didn't know it all. And there were a couple of 0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:53.120 times Deonna and I stayed in touch. I really cared 0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:55.280 for her, Yeah, and actually I really cared for Jenny. 0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:59.960 But Deanna and I definitely had a connection and her reaction, 0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:04.399 and in particular, she's a very, very caring human being, 0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:08.600 and from what I know of her, she wears her 0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:10.480 emotions on her sleeve, and I'm saying that in a 0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:12.239 good way. She's not afraid to let you know. 0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:15.040 She went on to be a great bachelorette. Yes, And 0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:17.399 if we talked about Jenny as well, Jenny I think 0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:20.919 was in Arizona and got married kids. I ran into 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.200 her or heard from her not too long ago, and 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:26.680 actually I hear from Deanna quite often. We still keep 0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:30.080 in touch little bit. You're just like a sweet, sweet woman, 0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:34.200 both of them. Yeah, we really are. This is a 0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:36.040 might be tough and you could take the fifth. You 0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:39.920 do not have to answer this. Tell you how close 0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:43.239 were you to actually proposing, you know? Or was that 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:44.160 just completely a. 0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:45.880 No, nowhere close? Okay? 0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:49.600 And if it had been, if you had chosen gun 0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:51.800 to your head, sure, were you closer to Deanna or 0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:52.640 Jenny Deanna? 0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:53.200 Hands down? 0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:54.359 I thought so too. 0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:57.560 Yeah. I think that's been publicly said, and I want 0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:00.600 to publicly say it's nothing against Jim. It's just you know, 0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:05.120 you have certain connections. Yeah, I really had feelings for Deanna. 0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:08.080 Y'all are more similar anyway. Your personality is I could 0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:09.480 see that, especially back then. 0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:12.160 She's tough man, she's an obs person. I love that. 0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:15.040 I love when people are very direct, right, you don't 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:16.400 have to sugarcoat anything with me. 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:18.719 So, but I kind of had that feeling that if 0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:22.279 it had been somebody, it would have been Dianna. Yep, 0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:26.640 such a tumultuous time after the show. Sure you're getting 0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:29.600 your brains beat in. Sure people are, like you said, 0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:33.680 coming to the door of your condo, and sure coming 0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:38.960 after you. And you decide, m h, I'll do this again. 0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:41.480 I knew where this was going and and I'm actually 0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:44.960 happy to say this. I give you my word. I 0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:47.759 mean this. I believe in that show. I believe in 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:51.200 that show, and I believe and I'm not a guy 0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:55.879 that needs redemption for anything. I think life happens how 0:45:55.920 --> 0:46:00.000 it should man, And and I really really really derailed 0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:04.200 my life in that in the first season. But yes, 0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:07.960 I did do it again because you know, I believe 0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:10.839 in second chances. But again, it wasn't redemption at all. 0:46:11.440 --> 0:46:15.840 It was I believe in the possibility of seeing that 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:19.160 one person that it just gives you that spark and 0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:21.680 it's fun and it's it's exciting. You know. 0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:24.520 Well, there was a season two of The Batchel with 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:27.960 Brad Womack. What in the world was he thinking? How 0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:31.040 did it turn out? And what's he up to now? 0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:34.799 Is he still single? Business wise? How is life for 0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:39.759 Brad Womack? That will be in our next episode. Thank 0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:42.520 you were the Bachelor twice you get two episodes of 0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:46.120 the most dramatic podcast ever. Has there ever been a 0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:49.319 more appropriate reason to have two episodes? We'll see you 0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:52.759 next time. Thank you, buddy, Thanks for listening. Follow us 0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:55.600 on Instagram at the Most Dramatic Pod Ever, and make 0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:58.000 sure to write us a review and leave us five stars. 0:46:58.440 --> 0:46:59.520 I'll talk to you next time.