1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: This should be interesting. 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 2: That's a word for it. 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: I guess this should be interesting. Sitting down with Brad Wollmack. 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 2: Huh, here we go. Man, I'm almost I'm a little 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: scared about this. I'm gonna be honest, buddy, I am too. 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: I was thinking about what you and I were going 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: to talk about, sure, and then oddly I drew a blank. Okay, 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: but there's but there's so much material and so much 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: we haven't talked about, even though you and I have 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: been friends. What year let's see, what year were you 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: the Bachelor? 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: I'll tell you exactly the first time two thousand and seven, 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 2: and then second time was twenty. 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: Ten, two thousand and seven. 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I'm old. I'm very old. 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: How old are you? 18 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: Fifty one? 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: I say, you're a year younger than me. 20 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 21 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like the rare time you and Byron Velvick, 22 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: the bass fisherman who actually maybe have to look he 23 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: might be older than me. So we did this, like 24 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: you know, that was the our version of the Golden Bachelor. 25 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: Back then. It's like, let's do an older guy, and 26 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: so we got Byron Velvic, this bass fisherman, and that 27 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: season didn't go awesome. Yeah, but he but we kept 28 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: in touch too. He's a really good guy. Still we 29 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: still chat. And then you were the next one where 30 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't old at the time, because what were we 31 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: back in what two thousand and seven? 32 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: Was thirty four I believe, yeah, thirty four, thirty thirty four, yeah, yeah, yeah, 33 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: thirty four. Jesus see, that's how old I am. I 34 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 2: can't even remember things in the past. 35 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: Fourteen years ago. 36 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 2: It was a long time teen years ago. 37 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: Holy cow, so I would have been thirty eight. 38 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, yeah yeah. So well, good times though, really 39 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: good times. That's nuts kind of but it was. I 40 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: had to throw that in there. We're good. 41 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what. I think we have to 42 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: break this up. Well, because you were the only person 43 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: to be on two Bachelor seasons. You were the Bachelor 44 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: twice for those that don't know, Brad was the Bachelor 45 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: in seven and ten, ten, twenty ten, and we had 46 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: never done that before. I think they'll never do it 47 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 1: again after that. But this is also back in the day. 48 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: This is old school when we would get really good 49 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: guys find them. You didn't have to be on the 50 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: show before, right, yeah, yea, you know it's you know, 51 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: Bob Guiney had come off the Bachelorette. There were a couple, 52 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: but it was more like Aaron Burgee, Andrew Firestone, you 53 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: and some of these others where we had never met 54 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: you before. The first time we met you was when 55 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: you were the Bachelor. 56 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 2: Right yeah, yeah, pretty organic way to do it, I 57 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: would imagine, you know, for you guys, and yeah. 58 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: It's well, it was a scary thing because sure we 59 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: liked it because you got to build a story and 60 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: you got to know somebody on the show. But the 61 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: other thing is we really you could cheat a little bit, 62 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 1: and if they were on a prior show, there was 63 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: a built in audience, right. People loved you, people hated you. 64 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: They had an idea of what they thought about you. Therefore, 65 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: there was a story built in when the store, when 66 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: the season starts, Okay, I already know what I think 67 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: about Brad Walmack. Now I'll just meet the ladies and 68 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: we're off and running makes sense, And so that was 69 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: kind of the change of the show. We felt like 70 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: that was the kind of tie we always wanted to have. 71 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: But with you, you were kind of a throwback too. 72 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: We just met Brad Walmack, this bar owner from Austin, Texas. 73 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, yeah, how. 74 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: Did you become the bachelor? Who found you? How to happen? 75 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: I'll tell you it's actually a funny story. It's my 76 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: brother and my business partner at the time. It was 77 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: a Sunday afternoon and as Chad your chid, my twin 78 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: brother and my other business partner, Jason, and true story, 79 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be honest. We were doing a little 80 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: day drinking and so we wound up at a popular 81 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: restaurant in Austin and and you guys were casting for 82 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: the girls, and so we were eating. Casting agent came down, 83 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: tapped me on the shoulder and said, hey, this sounds crazy. 84 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: Have you heard of the Batcher? And I'm not gonna lie. 85 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: I was a big fan of the show. And then 86 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: you guys, of course were making waves and. 87 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: It would have been huge back then at seven it. 88 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: Was big, man, it was really big, and so there's 89 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 2: obviously a very flattering encounter. Of course, my first reaction 90 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: was I don't know if I'm going to be the 91 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 2: right guy, you know, And she said, well, we can 92 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: be very convincing at least give me your number and 93 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: we'll call you. And sure enough, you guys called it 94 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: think the week after and I was on my way 95 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: to LA So I mean, just I mean fast track, 96 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: can do you know? This wild adventure? You know? 97 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: And who did you meet first? Like, how did that 98 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: all go? Because it was different back then than it 99 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: is now. I mean it's it's gotten so much more professional, 100 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: so much more there's so many more levels you got 101 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: to get through back then, right, I'm guessing it was 102 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of the executive producers and you 103 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: met a couple exis it is and we're off and running. 104 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: That's exactly who what? Who it was? It was well 105 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: Mike of course, and then the show, right, and then 106 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: uh Lisa at that's her? Yeah, yeah, And then I 107 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: was fortunate enough to meet the president of ABC at 108 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: the time. But it was such a whirlwind. Man. You 109 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: take a guy from Austin that I had no aspirations 110 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: being TV man, I'm sure you see. 111 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: And then you're sitting down, I'm guessing it was Lloyd 112 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: Braun back then. Was that the president of ABC at 113 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: the time? 114 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: Truly connect it was, And. 115 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: So you're sitting down with the president of ABC exactly. 116 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 117 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,239 Speaker 1: I mean you're like, and they're asking you about love, 118 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: and you're like, what do you want out of life? 119 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well that's actually what it was, you know. And 120 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: then you know obviously what I did for living on 121 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: this lowly bar guy. Yeah, and this well no, I 122 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 2: mean just uh and and I mean, but I'll tell 123 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: you it was one of the coolest experiences of my 124 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: life meeting people of that caliber, of course, and then 125 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: you know, it's a it's a story that I'll hold 126 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: on to. 127 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: I was trying to think the first time you and 128 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: I met, I think. 129 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: It was it was either the very first night. I mean, 130 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: obviously we had to have taped something, but. 131 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: We didn't get to hang out a lot before. Like, 132 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of times where either it well I'll 133 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: get to know the guys the prior season and you 134 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: hang out a little bit and then you keep in 135 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: touch as they lead into the Bachelor. Other times they'll 136 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: just be in town and I'll get to see them, 137 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: maybe we'll go out to dinner before I just my 138 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: recollection is, I don't think that ever happened with you. 139 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: I think you came in hot and I didn't get 140 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: to see you really probably and maybe that first night. 141 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: I think that's right. I got to tell you. I'm 142 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: going to sing your praises real quick. I just want 143 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: to tell you something you I was most nervous about meeting. 144 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 2: I just seen you all over the place, and you're 145 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 2: this larger than life personality, and I have to hand 146 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: it to you could not have been cooler man. And 147 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: so we had a lot. 148 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: I think the fact that, well, first of all, thank you. 149 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: Second of all, you and I kind of are cut 150 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: from the same cloth. I think we got each other 151 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,559 Speaker 1: and I found you to be a breath of fresh 152 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: air and a bit of a relief. Well, not that 153 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: I disliked. I mean, Andrew Firestone's one of my best friends. 154 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: So is Bob Ginney. I love those guys. But when 155 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: there was a guy from Texas, yeah, and about my age, 156 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, I can do this, like this, I get like, 157 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: I understand this. 158 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: It was very. 159 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: Easy for me to get to know you, because that's 160 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: part of the pressure for me was to try to quickly. 161 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: You know, again, if I meet you on the driveway 162 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: as a Limos pulling up, I got to figure out 163 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: what makes this guy tick? Who is he? What are 164 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: the buttons I need to push? How can I get 165 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: him to these emotional areas, et cetera. And with you, 166 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: I found it very easy. 167 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: I appreciate you because. 168 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: I feel like you know, you and I are very similar. 169 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: Well again, I appreciate that coming from you. But yeah, 170 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: I mean you could not have been more welcoming, and 171 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: frankly I needed it. I mean that was a very 172 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: overwhelming experience, especially day one, you know, And yeah, you 173 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: welcomed me with open arms, and so I thank you 174 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: for that. 175 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: Did you? Obviously, I'm sure you had some trepidation and 176 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: be human if you didn't. But to have your business 177 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: and what's your business? By the way, lowly bar guy, 178 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: you and your brother and your business partner, you guys 179 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: owned own bars here in Austin at the time. I 180 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: think it was just Austin were you. They were massively 181 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: successful and you guys were killing it. 182 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: Thank you. 183 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: And by the way, back in the day, that was 184 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: also the concept of the show. Bachelors would have jobs 185 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: and they would be successful, so therefore you would actually 186 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: be considered a catch. 187 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll take that whatever it takes. 188 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: Right, It's an old concept. We got away from it. It 189 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: became like broken people with no jobs. 190 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you, guys, they've had some amazing candidates. 191 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: Of course, because I kid, actually a kid, because we 192 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: don't care. 193 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: I like that. I like that. 194 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: But no. So so that was the original concept, and 195 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: that was like Chris Soles, this farmer from Iowa, you know, 196 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: hugely successful and if it wasn't for the show, you know, 197 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: could they find love? And so that was the premise 198 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: of bringing in a guy like Brad Womack of this 199 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: guy's working his ass off opening bars. The only thing 200 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: he really hasn't found his love. 201 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, good premise, of course. 202 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: Yeah too bad. It did work. 203 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 2: Hey, thanks thanks for reminding me, man, and I'm out. Thanks. 204 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 2: It was a great like drop, good seeing you. 205 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: But you get into this, you had to have some trepidation, 206 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: and I'm sure there was the this will promote the 207 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: bar business, but what were the other things where you're like, man, 208 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to do this. 209 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 2: Man, you know, I got to tell you, I'll back 210 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 2: up a little bit. I don't know if you realize. 211 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: So I never one time mentioned the bars on air, 212 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: and I did that purposely, you know. And so one, 213 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: I didn't want to sell out, but of course, I 214 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: mean it went without saying that, you know, you would 215 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: get some exposure, of course, but I took my career 216 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: at the time especially very seriously, and I was a 217 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 2: little worried about it damaging the career. And another thing 218 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: is I know you know me very well, but people don't. 219 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: I'm a really, really shy person, and so I was 220 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: petrified of losing anonymity, you know. I mean for so 221 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: many years I had just gone to work, like you said, 222 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 2: and built a career, tried to find a good girl. 223 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: She wasn't having me, and so anyway, but so I 224 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: went into the first night, admittedly with a lot of 225 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: fear and anxiety. 226 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: Well, what was interesting with your time is again remember 227 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: seven were coming into this with Brad. Yes, it was 228 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: a huge show, and yeah there was probably twenty twenty 229 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: four million people watching at the time, So you think, 230 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: how did you want anonymity? But we also didn't have 231 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: social media. 232 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: You're exactly right. 233 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: That was the huge thing. You're exactly You weren't being bombarded. Yes, 234 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: you had to do People Magazine and Entertainment Tonight and 235 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: all that stuff, but you weren't faced with the social 236 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: media dilemma that everybody is now. Sure, so you still 237 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: got to you know, the idea was you could leave 238 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: and come back and live your life. 239 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, well that's a good point. I think 240 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: I was just I'm really concerned with what people think 241 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: of me. Unfortunately, you and me both, man. 242 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: That's honestly, it's one of the things as we bond 243 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: over I agree to a fault. 244 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 2: Yes we do, and yes we do. 245 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: Sure our therapists will could get together. 246 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: We might have the same one. I don't think they 247 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: can disclose that, but we might have the same one anytime. 248 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 2: She's nodding very aggressively, like I've heard this before. Now 249 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: I know what Harris. Okay, yeah, you guys are it. 250 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: Makes us good at what we do. Sure, it actually 251 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: makes me a good host because it makes me very 252 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: empathetic and I care, and again I care too much. 253 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,599 Speaker 1: You're the same being in the service industry that you 254 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: get in, not your whole life. But you know, for 255 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: the most part, sure it serves you. 256 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 2: Well. 257 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate one of our greatest weaknesses is also 258 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: a strength. 259 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: Well yeah, okay, well I like that take on it, 260 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 2: of course, and I do want to sing your praises 261 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: another time as far as you caring, but you're by 262 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: far the most compassion one of the most compassionate people, 263 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: and so it makes it easy for guys like me 264 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 2: or contestants, whatever you want to call it. Whenever you 265 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 2: do come in with that anxiety, you kind of tamp 266 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: that down a little bit. So we appreciate you. Man. 267 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: It's like it's a weird thing. And I always I 268 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: was always very empathetic because it was interesting that people 269 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: in the control room they're removed, right, they're just looking 270 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: through a monitor and they're they're looking on screen and 271 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: they they they're not going to get dirty, they're not 272 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: going to get oil on them, so it's easy for them. 273 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: And they're in their little earpiece to like or in 274 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: my earpiece to say, hey, say this to Brad or 275 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: make Brad do this, or you know, they're not feeling 276 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: the nerves, the tension, the fear, the excitement, the sorrow, 277 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: all those emotions that I would feel by standing on 278 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: that wet driveway sure as the limos pull up, or 279 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: as a girl just walked through, and you know, there's 280 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: so many things you guys are trying to do that 281 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: gets lost because we're watching the show and we just 282 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: want you guys to you know, you're kind of jumping 283 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: through hoops all that, but you guys are kind of 284 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: serving a lot of masters. And I'm sure you felt this. 285 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: You can speak to this. You wanted to please me, 286 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: you wanted to please the network, You want to make 287 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: sure your family's proud, you want to like you know, 288 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: there's a thousand things other than just I would like 289 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: to find love. 290 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 2: Well, another thing and the most important thing I'll be 291 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: the first admit again, is I wanted to make a 292 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: good impression on the women. Yeah. I mean, let's face it, 293 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: you guys, there are some amazing I know I use 294 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: that word too much, but there are some amazing women 295 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: that come through that show. And then seeing every single 296 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: one of them get out of the limo and you're thinking, well, 297 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 2: you know, you almost kind of have imposter syndrome. What 298 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: the hell am I doing here? 299 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: You know, I would think so, of course. 300 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm standing next I'm not again just building 301 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: you up, but standing next to Chris Harrison. I'm on 302 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: one of the most popular shows on television on one 303 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 2: of the most popular networks. And then meetings some just beautiful, achieved, 304 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 2: I guess, motivated women. And so yeah, it was just 305 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: it was really nerve wracking. 306 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: Well, it's hard to understand the power of the mansion. 307 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: The lights. Of course, everything's on you. And then when 308 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: you you know, we talk about it and we get 309 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: you ready and we prepped you and all that, but 310 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: until it's you know, until the director, you know, Fuke 311 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: says all right, you know, roll the first limo in sure, 312 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: and you have that realization of because then I leave 313 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: and you're standing there alone. 314 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: Where'd you go, buddy? 315 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: You're standing there by yourself on that driveway and the 316 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: limo pulls up. You're like, oh shit, right, you see 317 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: the lights, the camera and its action time. That's that's 318 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: a big pill to swallow. 319 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: It is and and but it's so exciting man, and 320 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: and you know, of course I do have some regrets 321 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: just on some of the things I personally did before 322 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: and after the show. But I'm so grateful for that time, man, 323 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: and and the relationships that I made with you and 324 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: some of the girls and some of the producers and everything. 325 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: So yeah, wouldn't have traded anything. 326 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: What regrets before and after, during and after you. 327 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: Know, well, some of the things I say and do. 328 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: I'm a complete idiot, man, I'll be the first to say. 329 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: I mean, we all are it Jesus buddy. But you 330 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: know I didn't carry myself in in ways that I 331 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: normally do back home. I don't know if I got 332 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: up in moments. I don't have specific examples, but I 333 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: really do. It's not like I watch it back, especially now, 334 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: but some of the episodes, I'm thinking that that's not you. 335 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if I was trying to put on 336 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: a facade, and because that's typically not like me. 337 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: You know, I don't think you were putting on airs like. 338 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: I never got the feeling you were being disingenuous. 339 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: I hope not. 340 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: But what I think is if I was your therapist, 341 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: and I was for a short. 342 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: Time, yes you were. Yes, you're much appreciate. In fact, 343 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: you still have an invoice to me. Thank you. 344 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: No, what I saw from you is you try so hard. 345 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: You always do this, and this happens in our own 346 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: life when we're at dinner or whatever. You try hard 347 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: to make everybody feel loved and appreciates. 348 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: Man. 349 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: So you know when you were with those women, I 350 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: think again, you were trying to please everybody. You're trying 351 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: to please the camera guy, the audio, you know, the 352 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: producers and take care of these ladies. And I think 353 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: the way that you really have to go through that 354 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: show is you got to be a little selfish. 355 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: You know what. That's a that's an outstanding point, actually, 356 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: And I don't That's one thing I'll give credit for. 357 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: I don't think I have a selfish bone in my body, right, 358 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of that. I could see 359 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: a lot of that same fear and anxiety and the 360 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: women and come on, man, we're supposed to be protectors 361 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: as men, you know, we just start even if I 362 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: just met these girls, and whether they asked for that 363 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: protection or not, but so a lot of times I 364 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: would I try to make them feel okay, and all 365 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: the time I'm just going absolutely insane inside. But it 366 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: worked out, man, And so maybe, you know, regret might 367 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 2: be a strong word. I just look back and I wonder, 368 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: you know, what was I thinking at that moment, you know, 369 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: because I was. 370 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: Going to ask you are you were a regret guy. 371 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: I'm not a big regret guy. 372 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: I'm not either. I'm not either. So maybe again that 373 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: might have been the wrong word. So maybe I just 374 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: would have done things differently. I mean, I have the 375 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: benefit of watching it if I want to change anything. 376 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: Well, that's like when you wake up on Monday and 377 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: watch the Sunday football game. It's easy to break down game. 378 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: There you go, it's easy. 379 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: There you go, Monday Morning Quarterback. But that's why the 380 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: show is so great, right, And there's still that audience, 381 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: that insatiable appetite for these reality shows and shows like 382 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: this sure is because we get to judge. I mean, 383 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: you are the Monday Morning quarterback and you get to 384 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: watch Brad Womack and everyone like him, you know, trip 385 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: and fall and make mistakes and find love or not 386 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: find love, and we get to watch that and judge it. 387 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: You know what on that Yeah, that's actually an exciting 388 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 2: way to put it, you know. And so you're right, 389 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: but sometimes, you know, court of public opinion could be 390 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 2: really brutal. We all know that. We all know that. 391 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 2: Just try not pick you get anybody. 392 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: That leads us to Okay, we're in season one, So 393 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: this is two thousand and seven, and it's not like 394 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: we had had a run of great success. It's not 395 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: like we had all these marriages by then. Trista had 396 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: been married. Yeah, yeah, you know, we had gone through 397 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: several seasons where there had been engagements, but nothing hugely successful, 398 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: right other than Tristan Ryan. You're still hanging on. 399 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 2: To that one the way the best great people. 400 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: It just had her on the podcast not too long ago, 401 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: and it's still like we fall right back into place. 402 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: Like when you come in. It's like there's just certain 403 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: moments in time and certain people from the show where 404 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: I see him and I don't care if I haven't 405 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: seen you for five years, yeah, man or five minutes. 406 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: We're just you just fall right back into it. I agree, 407 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: we're you're concerned percent. When you walked in the door, 408 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: I just you came. You just came to the door. 409 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: By the way, this is only the second home interview 410 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: I've done. 411 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 2: No kidding, Yeah, oh now I feel I'm damn sure. 412 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: It feels special, taking large part. 413 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: Because no one wants to see me, I think, secondly 414 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: because now I live in Austin. But so Jason Tartick 415 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: was here. Oh nice Jay, Jay did it. And so 416 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: you're you're the second home interview. 417 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've heard good things about Jason. By the way, 418 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: he's a Nashville guy. Right he is. 419 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's trying to get out now. So yeah, you're 420 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: you're number two. 421 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate the invite very much. 422 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: It's the only way I could get you to come 423 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: out to the house. 424 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: Come on, man, you know when Chris Harris, I think 425 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: I told your producers this whenever they texted me and 426 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 2: asked me to come on here. But if you asked 427 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: me to do anything, I'm doing it. Period. I mean 428 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 2: it's it's I'm doing it. 429 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: So I've always been that good. 430 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no, no one. I'm not looking for accola 431 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: or a pat on the back. I'm just saying one, 432 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: I know you always come from a good place. And two, 433 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 2: I just want to see you. I mean, this is 434 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: cool and all. I just want to hang out with you. 435 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: Well, I will tell two stories that will define Brad Womack. 436 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: Uh oh, and I tell these stories all the time. 437 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: You are still the only person who's ever been on 438 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: the show that gave me a parting gift. 439 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 2: Oh well, thanks man, I mean you never of course 440 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: I do. I'm getting embarrassed, but yeah, what it was, 441 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: I don't remember what it was. I know I gave 442 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: you a gift. 443 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: There was a shirt I love that you had. This 444 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: is okay, this is back before you know, I kept 445 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: wardrobe and all that stuff, and you had a shirt 446 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: and I'm like, god, I love that shirt and you 447 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: wore it maybe a couple of times on the show. 448 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: And clearly, if you're looking at this video, we're not 449 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: the same size. I'm actually a normal sized human. Jesus man, 450 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: you are a bulk of a huge Come on, we'll 451 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,959 Speaker 1: get into that in a minute. Sure, clearly we're not 452 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: the same size. I'm a sh medium and you're an excel. 453 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: So what you did, though, is when the show was over, 454 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: you wrote me a note and you went and bought 455 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: that shirt and you gave it to me. It was 456 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: like this plaid, red and blue shirt, gotcha. And you 457 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: also got something for Carrie Fetman, who should wardrobe, and 458 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: Gina Medica, who has been my longtime makeup artist. And 459 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: to this day, you were the only bachelor or bachelorette 460 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: who has given me a little something, just said just 461 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: to say thank you, even though at the first season 462 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: was a disaster, did go well and it didn't go 463 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: well for you, but you gave me. Now, there is 464 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: one other bachelor and I will not out him. 465 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, he did. 466 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: Kind of give me, Carrie and Gina a gift. Okay, 467 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: it was a signed headshot. 468 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 2: No it wasn't. I know, it wasn't. I shit you not, Brad, 469 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: if I ever give you a head shot much less assign, 470 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: wouldn't punch me in the face. 471 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: Swear to you. Really, it was the weirdest moment. I 472 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: thought it was a joke at first, and then I 473 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: realized there was a note written on it and he 474 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: sincerely gave us a headshot say thank you gift. Well, 475 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: and I thought, you know what, I'm going to take 476 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: the positive here, and he thought of us enough to 477 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: write something on his own photo that he gave. I 478 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: think I still have it. I think I kept it 479 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: in this draw right behind his ear. But so these 480 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: head shots, I don't even know if they still do this. 481 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,479 Speaker 1: But when a bachelor would come in, we do our 482 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: fittings for clothes and all that we have the ABC photographer, 483 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: we would do like a whole press kit. We would 484 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: do photos for you. So if we ever went out 485 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: and you know, did a press meeting or whatever, we'd 486 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: sign you'd had those those head shots and you know, 487 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: it used to be that was kind of a bigger 488 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: deal than you know, again, pre social media, you would 489 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: sign photos. Sure, So that was the only other person 490 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: that's given a gift is was this bachelor who will 491 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: remain nameless. You're welcome, but he gave us signed headshots 492 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: and I'll never forget because he gave it to us. 493 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: And he walked out and Gina and Carrie and I 494 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: were sitting there packing up, and we all just looked 495 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: at each other, like did that just happen? 496 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: That's uh. I feel bad for how I feel inside 497 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 2: after it was so because I want to think that 498 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: came from a sincere place, but yeah, it was who. 499 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: Knows not great? Do you remember any of the women 500 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: from your first season? 501 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: Could you? I'm not that old, okay, I. 502 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: Think we all know. I think unless you are too 503 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: young and you haven't watched the show, which is shoot good, 504 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: but I could watch it. Deanna pappas of course, Jinny 505 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: Croft where your final two? Who were some other kind 506 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: of stars from that first season? First and foremost man 507 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: who I love still to this day. I love to 508 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: death and deep into the show, Yeah, of course, And 509 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: I mean just an amazing girl. Anyway, did we travel 510 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: at all for that first season? 511 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: Not much. I mean I think I think you guys 512 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: were going through a rough patch. 513 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: Twelve two thousand and seven, we didn't do well. We've 514 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: kind of hadn't gotten to the point where we traveled 515 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: a whole bunch. That was really kind of kickoff in 516 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: Charlie O'Connell's season. Good then, But by the time he 517 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: came back in twenty ten, we did right, We definitely 518 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: traveled well. 519 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: So we went to Cabo in two thousand and seven, 520 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 2: and I know you know where I'm going with this, right, 521 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: tell the story. I want to sing your praises. I 522 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 2: always thought highly of you, but this is when I 523 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 2: knew you were a very real man. If this makes sense. 524 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: So we're in Kabo San Lucas and unfortunately, well let 525 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: me let me back up a little bit. I'll make 526 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 2: it quick. 527 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, tell the whole story. 528 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: We had a very rare night out. Yeah, okay, and 529 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 2: Kabo San Lucas a pretty wild spot. We all know 530 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: that it's fun, but it can get a little rough. 531 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: But this is also before this is kind of old 532 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: school days where there weren't really many rules to our 533 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: production and what I mean say is there's no there 534 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: was no professionalism, there was no line between production casts whatever. 535 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 2: You know, said yes, okay. 536 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: So that changed dramatically after a huge flame out and 537 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: a big blow up, massive proportions that almost killed the show, 538 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: and you know, people went off to rehab and many 539 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: things happened. But back then, as you know, we would 540 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: wrap for the night and then we would all go out. 541 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 2: You and clude and man. Yeah, and so we're all 542 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: in a van, yes, and three of the production guys, which, 543 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 2: by the way, I love that whole cruise. 544 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: So we went to do you remember where we went? 545 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 2: I think it was squid Row or Giggling Marlin. 546 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: We went to a few plays where it's squid Row. 547 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: Okay, So squid Row is again and there was a 548 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: dust up and and I know it was with three 549 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: of the production guys, and you and I were already 550 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 2: in the van, right. 551 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: We had left and we had pulled around. 552 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. And we look over and these guys 553 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 2: are in in a little dust up with some locals, 554 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: and you said, I'm not going to watch this happen. 555 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 2: I'm going to get out of the van and help him. 556 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 2: Of course, I'm going to help him too. We're both 557 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: trying to get after him, and of course it was 558 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 2: one of the executive producers, but threatened both of us 559 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: with a lawsuit. I don't know if you remember that. Okay, yeah, 560 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: you can get out of the van. You're both going down. 561 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: And we were in like a twelve seater van. Yes, 562 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: we were rows, and you and I were kind of 563 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: two rows back from the door right and we were 564 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: pulling around, you know, from the parking lot because you 565 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: and I were heading back to the hotel. And you 566 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: were the first one that said, oh, ho crap, there's 567 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: a fight, and we're like, I thought it was kind 568 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: of cool at first, and then we saw oh my god, 569 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: that's our crew. Sure, and you know, we think of 570 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: those guys as brothers, family, and so I was like, 571 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: screw that. Stop the car, the guy the driver stops 572 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: the car. Sure, I go to grab the door. I'm 573 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: climbing over the seats, just coming after me, and we're 574 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: like going to jump into this frakas outside of the 575 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: squid row. 576 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: And yes we were. 577 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: And that's when I think it was David David Albrick. 578 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 2: That it had to have been David, because I mean, 579 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: he made no bones about it. 580 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: And she jumped in front of the door. You cannot 581 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: get out of this van, threatened us and told the 582 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: driver to drive. And we were screaming as we were 583 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: pulling off, trying to get out of the car to 584 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: join this fight with these locals. 585 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 2: Well, he definitely mentioned a lawsuit and whether it was 586 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: just instill fear. But I got to tell you, man, 587 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: that shows your character that you know, above anything else, 588 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 2: you are a good friend to people. You care about people. 589 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 2: And so I tell that story. I've told that story 590 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 2: a thousand times over. I might embellows it a little bit, 591 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 2: like I was the first one jumping out of the van. 592 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 2: I'm kidding, but I held you back. 593 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: But it is funny, Like how funny is that when 594 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: I think about if David hadn't been where he was, 595 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: Like if we had been reversed, if you and I 596 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: had been sitting in the front seat, he had been 597 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: in the back. And there's no reason it wasn't the opposite. 598 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: We just happened to get in the van first and 599 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: you and I hopped in the back. If it had 600 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: been the opposite, you and I. In two thousand and seven, sure, 601 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: the Bachelor and the host. You would have jumped into 602 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: a fight outside squid Rus. Yes, we would have probably 603 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: gotten this kicked out. 604 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 2: Of course we would have come on, man, I mean, 605 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: neither one. I don't know about you. I can't fight. 606 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 2: I don't want to fight. 607 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: You and I would have been going at it. 608 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: But it would have made for a good story. 609 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: It would have made I mean, luckily, it makes for 610 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: a good story. And despite the fact of how you 611 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: see me, I've never broken this nose, but that like, 612 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: we came moments away from just being in a full 613 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: out brawl in the streets of Mexico. 614 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean. And again, the takeaway from that story 615 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 2: is just how much you care for your friends, you know. 616 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: And so I love the crew, and I still have 617 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: friends on the crew and producers as well, and and 618 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: and love them because, as you know, it is very intimate, 619 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: it's very personal. We would travel, you know, we saw marriages, divorces, 620 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: babies being born, people passing away in our lives, and 621 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: you know, we were this it was almost like a 622 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: traveling circus or a rock group that would travel, you know, 623 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: on tour. We were together a lot and alone a lot. Yeah, 624 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: you rely on each other, and so these people meant 625 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: a lot to us all, and he tried to take 626 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: care of him. And even if it was you know, 627 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: after we had way too many tequila shots at squid Row. 628 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: But that was I mean, those were the old days 629 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: where we finished shooting. Remember Cassie was there, he and everybody. 630 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: We were, you know, doing shots and dancing our asses off, 631 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: and we were soaking wet, just sweating and had a blast. 632 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: And then we got up the next day and shot 633 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: more dates. 634 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 2: Yes we did, Yes, we did. It was a good time, man, 635 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: And so, yeah, you're right. Even in twenty ten it 636 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: changed a little bit. Yeah, I mean I could tell, 637 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 2: you know, it was like, oh, no, you're not going 638 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: anywhere after we're filming, you know, And so I just 639 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: hid in my little corner and did what I was. 640 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: Well, there was a downtime you mentioned that, and there 641 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: was a downtime in the show where I had heard 642 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: Lloyd Brown actually had canceled the show. Oh, where the 643 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: show was dead and it was not coming back right, 644 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: And partly because they you know, deep down, I think 645 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,239 Speaker 1: they wanted to kill it. They did not like the 646 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: creator of the show. There was all this horribly contentious 647 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: relationship between the network and the production interesting. 648 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: I didn't know that. 649 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: Then they hated each other, okay, and then there was 650 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: me that was like the bastard stepchild, kind of like 651 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,479 Speaker 1: trying to keep everybody happy and trying to be the 652 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: liaison between these two warring factions. And it was really weird. 653 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: But you know, rumor had it that he had canceled 654 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,959 Speaker 1: the show. And then that's when we did Doctor Travis 655 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: Stork and we went to France. 656 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, and we. 657 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: Went to Paris and we're like, screw it, We're just 658 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: gonna go shoot in Paris and spend all the money. 659 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: And then his show did really well, and then the 660 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: next thing, you know, we came back and then there 661 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: was Doctor Andy Baldwin and the show's back. Yeah, and 662 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, in Jake Pavelka and then you know, now 663 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: we've gone for twenty some odd years, but back then 664 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: there was that time when we had really gone high. 665 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: And then because it was a dysfunctional family at the time, 666 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: we were kind of falling apart. 667 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: So you're told, meself, why I was selected. I throw 668 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 2: anyone in there, it doesn't matter. 669 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying is this is what I wanted 670 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: to ask you had to. I know you felt I did. 671 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: That I did, and and that's something yeah, I think 672 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 2: about often. 673 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,479 Speaker 1: I know there was a couple of executive producers that 674 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: you you know, we will name names, we'll go into 675 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: too many intimate details. But there were some rough nights. 676 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 2: There you hit the nail on the head. And you know, 677 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: I'll admit there were some times what the hell am 678 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: I putting myself into? You know, like why did I 679 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 2: even make this decision? I don't have to do this, 680 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: you know, And I try to kind of go with 681 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 2: the flow a little bit. I was extremely grateful for 682 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 2: the opportunity, but it sure didn't seem reciprocated. And and 683 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 2: you could tell, I mean, anybody with half a brain 684 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 2: could tell that there were a lot of different people 685 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 2: going in a lot of different directions, you know, and 686 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 2: and frankly, it didn't seem like anyone cared about the 687 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 2: actual show, you know. And so I mean, you know, 688 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 2: you've got a guy, like I said, completely untalented, and 689 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: you know, I'm just trying to do what I'm told. 690 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 2: But yeah I did. I butted heads with some of 691 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 2: the producers big time. And on that same note, though 692 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 2: I fell in love with some of the other producers, right, 693 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: you know. 694 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: And that's the thing is there was this well and 695 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: so back in O seven especially, I was really you know, 696 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: separated from talent from you, you know. I mean we 697 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: were together, we'd go out and stuff like that, but 698 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: as far as the production side of things, I wasn't 699 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: there to protect you. I wasn't there to produce. I 700 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: wasn't even really a producer per se at the time. 701 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: I was just kind of doing what I was told 702 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: by the executive producers that were really running the thing. 703 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: And like you said, then there was this big gap 704 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: between the executive producers at the time and then those 705 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,479 Speaker 1: producers under them, And I think those under them are 706 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: the ones you really found to be lovely and became 707 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: very good friends with, and they were really intimately trying 708 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: to help you. Then there was the executive producers that 709 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: were it was a mess. 710 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 2: It was rough, man, I mean it was rough. And yeah, 711 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 2: you know, just uh again, I don't know what to 712 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 2: expect in that situation. I don't know what I'm getting in, 713 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 2: would you exactly? And so I'm a little unfair, but 714 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 2: I mean, hey, look, trust may I'm no one to 715 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: have a victim mentality. It's just I think we made 716 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:30,959 Speaker 2: it through, and unfortunately it turned out how it did well. 717 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: That was season one, and obviously there is a season 718 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: two to come for you that we didn't know about. 719 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: But at the end of season one, all I remember 720 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: is we get to the end. Yes, and again I'm 721 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: a little bit separated. So when I show up that 722 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: final day, we shoot your final day in Malibu, that's 723 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: how old school the show is. We're still shooting in 724 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: l A. Yeah, sure, we have a beautiful house, noting 725 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: a beautiful house. And I remember showing up that day 726 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: and this is how naive I was back then. I asked, 727 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: Who's who's he gonna propose to? Yeah, that's how out 728 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: of it out of touch? 729 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? You didn't know. 730 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: No, I didn't know, because I would, you know. I 731 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: was definitely on a need to know basis back then. 732 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: They they When I say they, I'm talking about there 733 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: are two or three executive producers who were really running 734 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: the show back then. They were uh, control freaks and 735 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: definitely kind of megalomaniacs in their personalities, and they really 736 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: controlled information. That's how they controlled you. That's how they 737 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: controlled the producers under them. That's how they controlled everybody 738 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: h and myself included. That's how they wanted to you know, 739 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: they really wanted to have everybody under their thumb, and 740 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,479 Speaker 1: part of that was by controlling information. And so I 741 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: didn't really know exactly what was going to happen that 742 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: final day. 743 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 2: Can I ask you something honest question? Yeah, not the 744 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 2: not the podcast answer, but an honest answer. Really, were 745 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 2: you disappointed in me that I didn't pick any. 746 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: No, but I was shocked. I told you so when 747 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: we talked that day. So again, if you guys didn't 748 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: remember this season, it was the first time ever that 749 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: a Bachelor didn't choose anybody. At the end of the show. 750 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 1: It was down to Deanna and Jenny and two lovely women. 751 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: You really appreciate it and like them both. I knew that, 752 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: and Brad Womack didn't choose anybody. Here's what I remember 753 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: about that day. There was a guy named Jason, who 754 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: was Jason Carbone who worked on the show at the time, 755 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: and you were tight with him, and he was working 756 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 1: with you intimately. And then there were the executive producers, 757 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 1: and I remember the tension. I remember walking on set 758 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: that day and everybody was really fired up, like what's happening. 759 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: It's supposed to be you know, it's final day. And 760 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: they said, he's not going to choose anybody, but we're 761 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: working on him. We'll get him to flip, We'll get him. 762 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, well, just that sentence alone is 763 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: really left up. Of course, if he doesn't want to 764 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: pick anybody, and we're going to try to convince him 765 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: to do something that he clearly doesn't want to do. Sure, 766 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: we're in a pickle. This is this is not great. Sure, 767 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: and I saw you and you were despondent and definitely 768 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: uh detached. 769 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 2: Of course. Yeah, can I explain that, Yes, I give 770 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 2: you my word. This is as sincere as I can be. 771 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 2: I was thinking more about the girls, and and only 772 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 2: because I knew I had already dug my grave. Man, 773 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I knew this was going to be really bad. 774 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 2: And again mentioning the producers, they let me know it 775 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 2: was going to be really bad for me. And it's 776 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 2: not It's not a good thing to walk into, right, 777 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,959 Speaker 2: but but I swear to God above man thinking about 778 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 2: both Jenny and Deanna because I did care for both 779 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: of them. They deserved much better than me. But they 780 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 2: also deserve the truth, right, and so that show unfortunately, 781 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 2: you know the premise you kinda even if it's involveoluntarily 782 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 2: lead people on, you just do. Yeah. I never said 783 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 2: the word I love you to either one of them. 784 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 2: I was very adamant about that. But anyway, so I 785 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 2: was thinking about this, and I was really nervous about 786 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 2: how that would go for those two women. I didn't 787 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 2: want them to think I was trying to publicly embarrass them. Yeah, 788 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 2: and again I had, unfortunately producers in my ear kind 789 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 2: of beating me up a little bit. Oh yeah, normally 790 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 2: we have a rap party. You're not getting wey, I 791 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 2: mean telling me that before we're filming. 792 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: With Okay, you're being too nice. I remember, Yeah that day, Yeah, 793 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: there was a knockdown drag out five. 794 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 2: Yes there was. There was. I'm glad you're bringing that up. 795 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 2: Yes there was. It was just wild. It's kind of 796 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 2: Hollywood stuff, you know. And and let's just call it 797 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 2: the proverbial open checkbook to make me change my mind, right, 798 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,919 Speaker 2: And I'm so glad I have a chance to tell 799 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 2: people this right now, because i'd hold back. But and 800 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 2: I very very proudly. 801 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: Declined I've never heard this. 802 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 2: You didn't know that hand to God. That's a true story, man, 803 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 2: I believe I'm a hand to God. And and I've 804 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,439 Speaker 2: never heard that story. And and that's it did get. 805 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't in the room that day. Yeah, they kept 806 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: oh no, you weren't. 807 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 2: It was uh, well, you know, yeah, four of the 808 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 2: it was the four right and and so, and it 809 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 2: was just one of those things that basically, what will 810 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 2: it take? And and I'm really proud about that moment. 811 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 2: But after that, after they knew there was no flipping 812 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 2: because again I never knew they said, We're going to 813 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 2: try to flip into you and and so, but it 814 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 2: got really rough. Man reminded that, you know, I'm nothing 815 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 2: without the show, and okay, great. I mean, you know, 816 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 2: one last thing I'll say about that whole situation though, 817 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,479 Speaker 2: in my very initial interview went by the very first 818 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 2: one in LA and it was all on camera. I 819 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,399 Speaker 2: looked to the camera and I was laughing saying this, 820 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 2: and I said, I want to say this to the camera. 821 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 2: I might not be the right guy because if I'm 822 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 2: not feeling it, I'm not going to pick anybody. And 823 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 2: I brought that up in that meeting that I was 824 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 2: telling you about, and I said, please review the tape 825 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 2: man and so anyway, but yeah, unfortunately they didn't take it. Well. 826 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 2: I get it, there's you know that show, there's an 827 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 2: expected ending, But to me, that's real life. I didn't 828 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 2: go on there to fake it. 829 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: And what when you asked me, was I ever disappointed? 830 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: My answer is absolutely not, because I thought that was 831 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: the most real ending we'd ever had. And that's not 832 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: to say obviously Ryan and Trista and people got married, 833 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: that was very real. But what I mean by that 834 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: is this was the truth, like, this is what happened. 835 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: I never thought the show was successful or that it 836 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: was predicated on the fact that it had to be 837 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,280 Speaker 1: successful in the end. I think the realism is sometimes 838 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't work out sure life, and to pretend and 839 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: to have a fake, you know, proposal, which we had 840 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: had up to that point. We had had a few 841 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: couple fake ones. Sure that they just wanted an ending 842 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: and the person felt pressure, probably like you did, and 843 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: they they caved, maybe they took a check, who knows, 844 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: who knows, but at the time they did propose, and 845 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: then you know, they would quickly fall apart and there's 846 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,240 Speaker 1: different reasons for that, right, you want to impress everybody, 847 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: You want to, you know, keep the girl happy, you 848 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: want you know, you you do things for a lot 849 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: of reasons. But in your situation, I thought I had 850 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: no problem with it. My only problem was I really 851 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,240 Speaker 1: liked you as a friend by then, and I was thinking, 852 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 1: this guy is going to get crushed. 853 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 2: Oh man, he's. 854 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: Going to get his ass kicked in the court of 855 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: public opinion. And I did, even though you let everybody 856 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: down gently and you were very honest, honest about it. Sure, 857 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,240 Speaker 1: but you got your ass. 858 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 2: Kicked, buddy. I this is another thing you don't know 859 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 2: that I'll tell you. I'll tell you how bad it got. 860 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 2: I can sum it up, you know, about three months 861 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 2: after that, and I was just getting railed, man, And 862 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 2: thank god there was no social media then. I can't imagine. 863 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I just can't imagine. 864 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: And the show wasn't exactly protecting you because they were 865 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: mad at you. 866 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,240 Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean they And you know, I actually 867 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 2: kind of understand that I was thrown under the bus 868 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 2: by the show. But I kind of understand that. I 869 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 2: get it. I get it, I mean, shield of course, 870 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 2: but also I mean just call it clickbait for ratings. 871 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, yeah, he's a terrible persone. I 872 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 2: get all of that to understand it kind of what 873 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 2: I signed up for. But about three months into that, 874 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 2: the the public beating, I lost my voice for like 875 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 2: eight weeks straight. I couldn't speak, and I mean I 876 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 2: mean literally had to write. 877 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: Down my stress. 878 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 2: Stress. Yeah. I would go to every specialist and then 879 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 2: finally a I went to the therapist and she realized 880 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 2: there was stress. And I'm kind of embarrassed to a 881 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 2: bit that because I wish I could say that I 882 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 2: have such thick skin. Shit. But I mean I lived 883 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 2: in a high rise, right. People would come to the 884 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 2: front door, try to get up and just to tell 885 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 2: me to f off and thank God for security. I mean, 886 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 2: I'd be at gas stations and sweet looking young girls 887 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 2: would come up just give me the middle finger walk away. 888 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 2: True story, yeah, true story. 889 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: So but anyway, it was uh a wild time because 890 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 1: you know, when anybody says, and I'll defend anybody on 891 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: the show, I don't care who you are, when anybody 892 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: says you signed up for this, sure, yes, technically you 893 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: signed on the dotted line, but there is no way 894 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: that a bar owner from Austin, Texas is in any 895 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: way prepared for what you're going to face and whether 896 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 1: it was good or bad. 897 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:17,879 Speaker 2: Well, I agree with that. Man. 898 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: It's like I always say, it's like being shot out 899 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 1: of a cannon without a net on the other side. Yes, sir, 900 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,760 Speaker 1: you know you No one prepares you to go from 901 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, the concrete cowboy over in Austin to Jimmy 902 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: Kimmel Live, and back then was probably Jay Leno the 903 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: morning shows. You know, like you just you're the Dance 904 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: and Chicken all of a sudden absolute it is. It's 905 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,439 Speaker 1: hard to fathom how much attention you get, especially back 906 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,760 Speaker 1: then before social media, but the interest level was so high. 907 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 2: Well and on that note, man, you know what's so 908 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 2: funny and one of the main motivators of me doing 909 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 2: the show is and now I think you know me 910 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 2: very well. Now I'm a really shy person. Man, I 911 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 2: don't like attention you are. Yeah, well, I don't know 912 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 2: what I'm thinking here knowing. 913 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: You later after the second season, I never I'm like, 914 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: how the hell and why the hell did this guy 915 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: ever do the show? 916 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 2: I'll tell you why. Man. I was talking about twin 917 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 2: brother Chad and said before I ever went on and said, 918 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 2: maybe this is a good way to force me out 919 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 2: of that box. I mean, I'm in a very social industry, 920 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 2: meaning bar business and hospitality, and maybe this is a way. 921 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 2: Maybe that's why I haven't met the right one who knows, 922 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 2: you know. And so anyway, and we mentioned at the 923 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 2: beginning of this, I do care what people think. So 924 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 2: it was a rough time. 925 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's funny. Your personality is not one that 926 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: I would think because it's not like you have this 927 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: type a overly you're a charismatic guy. But you know, 928 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: when you're in an intimate situation, you're you're fantastic. But 929 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: I get the shyness in you. Surely you're not a 930 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: I want to be in the lifelike kind of g 931 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 1: I'm still not on social media today. 932 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 2: I still love that. I think I'm the only dinosaur 933 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 2: that is never Actually I tried Instagram for about six 934 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,240 Speaker 2: weeks and posted one thing and it made my skin crawl. 935 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 2: It was so disingenuous. 936 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 1: God bless you made it out alive, man. 937 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm telling you. And so anyway, yeah, it 938 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 2: was just rough just being thrown at that spotlight, especially 939 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 2: such a negative one. 940 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: Before we go on this episode. What was the reaction 941 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: of Deanna and Jenny when you did? You know, obviously 942 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 1: in the moment we all watched it on TV. But 943 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: after did you ever talk to them later? Do you 944 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: keep in touch with either one of them? 945 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 2: You know? I wish I kept in touch, you know 946 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 2: that when I talked to them after that. The first 947 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 2: time was when we filmed the first night of my 948 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,760 Speaker 2: second season. Okay, and so many people thought that was scripted. 949 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 2: I'll tell it it was not there. It was not. 950 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: It was scripted by us. We had planned it clearly, 951 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 1: of course you did. 952 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,800 Speaker 2: I didn't know it all. And there were a couple of 953 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 2: times Deonna and I stayed in touch. I really cared 954 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,280 Speaker 2: for her, Yeah, and actually I really cared for Jenny. 955 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 2: But Deanna and I definitely had a connection and her reaction, 956 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,399 Speaker 2: and in particular, she's a very, very caring human being, 957 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 2: and from what I know of her, she wears her 958 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 2: emotions on her sleeve, and I'm saying that in a 959 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 2: good way. She's not afraid to let you know. 960 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: She went on to be a great bachelorette. Yes, And 961 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,399 Speaker 1: if we talked about Jenny as well, Jenny I think 962 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,919 Speaker 1: was in Arizona and got married kids. I ran into 963 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 1: her or heard from her not too long ago, and 964 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: actually I hear from Deanna quite often. We still keep 965 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: in touch little bit. You're just like a sweet, sweet woman, 966 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: both of them. Yeah, we really are. This is a 967 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: might be tough and you could take the fifth. You 968 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: do not have to answer this. Tell you how close 969 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: were you to actually proposing, you know? Or was that 970 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: just completely a. 971 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 2: No, nowhere close? Okay? 972 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: And if it had been, if you had chosen gun 973 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,800 Speaker 1: to your head, sure, were you closer to Deanna or 974 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: Jenny Deanna? 975 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 2: Hands down? 976 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:54,359 Speaker 1: I thought so too. 977 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's been publicly said, and I want 978 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 2: to publicly say it's nothing against Jim. It's just you know, 979 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 2: you have certain connections. Yeah, I really had feelings for Deanna. 980 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: Y'all are more similar anyway. Your personality is I could 981 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: see that, especially back then. 982 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 2: She's tough man, she's an obs person. I love that. 983 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 2: I love when people are very direct, right, you don't 984 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,400 Speaker 2: have to sugarcoat anything with me. 985 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: So, but I kind of had that feeling that if 986 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: it had been somebody, it would have been Dianna. Yep, 987 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: such a tumultuous time after the show. Sure you're getting 988 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: your brains beat in. Sure people are, like you said, 989 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: coming to the door of your condo, and sure coming 990 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: after you. And you decide, m h, I'll do this again. 991 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 2: I knew where this was going and and I'm actually 992 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 2: happy to say this. I give you my word. I 993 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 2: mean this. I believe in that show. I believe in 994 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 2: that show, and I believe and I'm not a guy 995 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,879 Speaker 2: that needs redemption for anything. I think life happens how 996 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 2: it should man, And and I really really really derailed 997 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 2: my life in that in the first season. But yes, 998 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 2: I did do it again because you know, I believe 999 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,839 Speaker 2: in second chances. But again, it wasn't redemption at all. 1000 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,840 Speaker 2: It was I believe in the possibility of seeing that 1001 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,160 Speaker 2: one person that it just gives you that spark and 1002 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 2: it's fun and it's it's exciting. You know. 1003 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: Well, there was a season two of The Batchel with 1004 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 1: Brad Womack. What in the world was he thinking? How 1005 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: did it turn out? And what's he up to now? 1006 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: Is he still single? Business wise? How is life for 1007 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: Brad Womack? That will be in our next episode. Thank 1008 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 1: you were the Bachelor twice you get two episodes of 1009 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: the most dramatic podcast ever. Has there ever been a 1010 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,319 Speaker 1: more appropriate reason to have two episodes? We'll see you 1011 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,759 Speaker 1: next time. Thank you, buddy, Thanks for listening. 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