1 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Bleep with Anna Navarro. I am 2 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: your host Anna Navarro. This week, we have really what 3 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: I consider a very special interview with Senator Raphael Warnock. 4 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: As you know, he's not just a senator, he is 5 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: also a pastor, the pastor at a Benezeer church where 6 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: Martin Luther King preached, and this cannot be a more 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: timely interview, a more timely conversation. We talk a lot 8 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: about the significance of the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary 9 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: of America, the intersection of politics and religion, and we 10 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: finish with a prayer. I asked him to lead us 11 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: in prayer for this country, and so it's one you're 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: not gonna want to miss. 13 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: I think it's chicken soup for the soul, and I 14 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: hope you will tune in. 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: But before we get to that great interview, we got 16 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: some stuff to talk about. 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: Okay. 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: So, as you know, it's the two hundred and fiftieth 19 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: anniversary of America. We've been celebrating it all year, and 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: we just had the fourth of July really significant one 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: this year because of this anniversary, and Trump has been 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: kind of fixated. It's amongst one of his many fixations 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: regarding how to fix up Washington, putting his stamp on 24 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: the Capitol, all of the crazy things he's been doing 25 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: on our taxplayer dime. But this one, this two hundred 26 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: and fiftieth state Fair celebration that he came up with, 27 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: this takes the cake, and I mean the whole cake. Okay, 28 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: it's like a bunt cake with a huge hole in it. 29 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: So what did he do? 30 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: He came up with this idea of having a sixteen 31 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: day state Fair in Washington, d C. At the National 32 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: Mall to celebrate the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. And 33 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: when I tell you, this thing has been a disaster. 34 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: Like if you actually went about trying to make something 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: a failure, this would be the plan you would follow 36 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: to make something fail. So he wanted to have exhibitions 37 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: from every state. Of course, a bunch of the states 38 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: refused to be part of these shenanigans on their taxpayer money. 39 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: He is having it at the National Mall where it's 40 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: like ninety eight degrees in the shade right now in Washington, DC, 41 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: and people are simply not attending. He's got a ferris 42 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: wheel that apparently has frozen in place, and he's got 43 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: ice cream which has apparently melted in place. 44 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 2: You've got, of course you do. 45 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: You've got Fox News that built a stage there, that 46 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: built a set there from which they are live broadcasting. 47 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: And these folks are there pretending that there are people 48 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: in the audience. 49 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: There are not. 50 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: I mean there was one one point where there was 51 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: an act on the stage that was about twenty people 52 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: and there were twelve people in the audience watching. So 53 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: there are literally more people on the stage performing than 54 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: there are people in the audience watching. You see stretches 55 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: of green empty grass. I have seen more people in 56 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 1: an abandoned Walmart parking lot in the middle of the night, 57 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: in the middle of Utah than what there is in 58 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: this supposed state fair. And of course it's on your 59 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: taxpayer dime, because even though it's a private public partnership, 60 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: anything that happens in the National Mall, you're going to 61 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: pay for a lot of the infrastructure, You're going to 62 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: pay for a lot. 63 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: Of the security. 64 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: So how are we greeting the two hundred and fiftieth 65 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: year of America. Let's see what Trump has done. There 66 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: is a hole where the East Wing used to be. 67 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: There is a reflecting pool with chunks of floor covering 68 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: floating on top, full of murky green algae that's even 69 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: killing the ducks. There is the Jackie Kennedy Rose Garden, 70 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: which has been paved over and turned into a replica 71 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: of the Mara Lago patio. The Ellipse that's where he 72 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: held the UFC fight. That grass is completely ruined. It 73 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: looks like a nuclear bomb fell on it. The south 74 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: lawn that grass, too is non existent, and apparently he 75 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: plans to build a helipo pad there. The Oval Office 76 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: looks like a brothel with all of its gold decorations. 77 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: He has now put this ginormous eagle looking decoration with 78 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: eleven states for some reason. Yeah, he's put one of 79 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: those in the White House, eerily reminiscent to the eagle 80 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: that Hitler used to talk during use as part of 81 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: his propaganda. 82 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 2: But whatever. 83 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: So it's just it is the tackiest, tackiest time in America. 84 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm forgetting the Arch. 85 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: So in this state fair that he's holding, he's got 86 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: what people are referring to as the t move version 87 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: of the arch, like a miniature replica of the arch. 88 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 2: They built there. But he's of course trying to. 89 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: Build his arch, the Triumph in the middle of. 90 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: Washington, DC. 91 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: So that's how we are celebrating the two hundred and 92 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: fiftieth anniversary. And again, as I said last week, a 93 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: lot of this stuff, if it weren't so tragic, and 94 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: if it wasn't costing so much taxpayer money, because remember 95 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: the ballroom that was supposed to be privately paid, it's 96 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: not coming out of your pocket. The pool it is 97 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: over budget, it is over time and now has to 98 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: be repaired again, that's coming out of your pocket. The 99 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: replacing of the grass of lips, and this heliport he 100 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: wants to play build that's coming out of your pockets. 101 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: The repaving of the gross garden that's coming out of 102 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: your pocket. And a lot of the expenses related to 103 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: this disastrous flump of a state fair that's coming out 104 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: of your pocket. At a time when Americas can't afford 105 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: basic needs, When Americans don't have money for healthcare, don't 106 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: have money for groceries, don't have money for summer vacations, 107 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: don't have money to pay for medicine or to fill 108 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: their tank with gas. This is what this guy is doing. 109 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I forgot the passport. I forgot the 110 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump passport where he put his ugly monk. And 111 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: I also forgot to talk about how he ruined the 112 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: Kennedy Center, which is covered by tarp steel because he 113 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: doesn't want to see that a judge forced him to 114 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: take his name off the Kennedy Center, a name that 115 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: never belonged there to begin with. So what I would 116 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: say to you is that on this two hundred and 117 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: fiftieth anniversary of America, each of us should find a 118 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: way to celebrate our country that's separate and apart from 119 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: what's going on in Washington, Separate and apart from what 120 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is doing. I don't think he is or 121 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: should ever be the definition of patriotism. And there's been 122 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: a lot of conversation as to whether Americans are proud 123 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: of their country right now as we enter this significant period. 124 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: And look, in my view, you can be proud of 125 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: your country, you can feel patriotic, you can have love 126 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: of country, and you can be mortified and embarrassed and 127 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: horrified by the current occupant of the White House, who 128 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: was just released this week, has made over two billion 129 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: with a B A B A B. 130 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: Like in bitch a be like in bullshit two. 131 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: Billion dollars he has made through crypto grifts and all 132 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: sorts of other scams, monetizing the presidency and profiteering off 133 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: the presidency. He his wife, his children, his cabinet member. 134 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: You remember when people were up in arms about Hunter Biden. 135 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: That was for like eight million dollars. And we can 136 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: argue about how bad that was and how Hunter Biden 137 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: made a mistake and how he might have profiteered off 138 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: of Joe Biden's vice president. We can say all of that, 139 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: but what is not acceptable is that the people whose 140 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: hair was on fire over Hunter Biden's eight million dollars 141 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: and Baristhma board membership. 142 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 2: Are complicitly silent. 143 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: Yet again, when it comes to the Trump family corruption 144 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: and grift, oftentimes mixing foreign policy and putting money in 145 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: their pocket, it is disgusting and it is hypocrisy. And 146 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: you know what I think we're gonna do. I think 147 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: we're going to try to find Hunter Biden and ask 148 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: him to come on and ask him how he's feing 149 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: about the two billion dollars that Trump and his family 150 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: are pocketing. But okay, I also want to talk to 151 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: you about something very serious. 152 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: That happened this week. 153 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: We have been waiting for it for a long time. 154 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court finally came down with their decision on 155 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: birthright citizenship. And God knows, this Supreme Court has had 156 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: some doozy decisions. 157 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: They have, in my view, made a lot of mistakes. 158 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: But in this one they got it right, even though 159 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: I still cannot believe that it was a six to 160 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: three decision. Of course, Clarence Thomas, Alito and Brett Cavanaugh 161 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: dissented and thought that we should do our way with 162 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: the Fourteenth Amendment, which is in the Constitution. 163 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: I want to go through though, when it comes. 164 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: To birthright citizenship, because I think it's important that that 165 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: we talk about the Fourteenth Amendment. It was adopted in 166 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty eight, and it says all persons born or 167 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: natural in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction 168 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: thereof are citizens of the United States of the state 169 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: where they reside. Now, remember, on day one of his administration, 170 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: his second administration, Donald Trump signed an executive order doing 171 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: away with birthright citizenship. 172 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: Remember, this is something that. 173 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: Has been so important to him that he even took 174 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: the unprecedented step of showing up at the Supreme Court 175 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: when this case was being argued, he sat there glaring 176 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: at the justices, letting them know that he had appointed 177 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: them basically with his look, and that this was important 178 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: to him. So this is something that he has been 179 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: desperate to get done. Why because he wants to strip 180 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: citizenship from people who have been born in the United 181 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: States that are children of undocumented immigrants or people that 182 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: were not permanent residents or legal citizens when their children 183 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: were born, and would have affected millions and millions of people. 184 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: Of course, a lot of them brown people, black people 185 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: from places that Donald Trump wished were not in this 186 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: country and were not part of America. But those people 187 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: are Americans. And I'm going to say this particularly to 188 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: the Latino community, particularly. 189 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 2: To children of immigrants. 190 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of folks gave Trump for reasons 191 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: that I still don't understand the benefit of the duc 192 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: and voted for him for some reason. 193 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: They thought he was going to be good for their pocket. 194 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: Well, he came out and the first thing he did 195 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: was attack your rights, try to take away your right 196 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: of being a US citizen. So now that the Supreme 197 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: Court has affirmed that right, I would make a call 198 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: to action to all of those idiots who bought what 199 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: Trump was selling and voted for him, to go out 200 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: and vote these mid terms election. You have got the 201 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: right to vote. You are a You a citizen as 202 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: a firm by the Supreme Court of. 203 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: The United States. 204 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: Go on, you go out and exercise that right, make 205 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: yourself heard, make yourself felt, and go issue your vote 206 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: and decide the future of this government. And try this 207 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: time not to vote for people who want to take 208 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: your citizenship away. Maybe that's not too much to ask. 209 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: All right, let's go and listen. You see, I got 210 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: worked up, and the good news is that I'm now 211 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: going to get calm and send talking to Senator Raphael. 212 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 2: Warnock, who is just terrific. 213 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: So stick around after the break because we're going. 214 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: To have the interview with Senator Warnock. 215 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: So this week, I'm believe we have a real treat. 216 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: And when I say a real treat, I mean this. 217 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: We have got my friend somebody that I admired tremendously, 218 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: Senator Raphael Warnock of Georgia. I just read this book 219 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: that he just wrote. It is spectacular. 220 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: I kid you not. 221 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: When I say to you, I felt like I was 222 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: having a bowl of tomato, warm tomato soup on a 223 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: cold night. It healed me, you know, Senator, I actually 224 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: listened to it. I listened to it on an audible, 225 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: and I've had the privilege of listening to you preach 226 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: in your church, of course, Ebenezer Baptist Church, which is 227 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: where Martin Luther King used to be the reverend. And 228 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: it felt it almost felt a little bit like that. 229 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: It really did some healing for my soul. So I 230 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: can't tell you enough how much I appreciate you writing 231 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: this book in the middle of everything else you're doing. 232 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: And the book is called The Crooked Places Made Straight, 233 00:13:54,679 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: and it is inspired by a verse from Isaiah. Can 234 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: we start this off by you quoting the verse and 235 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: telling me what that verse means. 236 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 3: Thank you so very much. It's great to be here 237 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: with you. Isaiah chapter forty. It's words that doctor King, 238 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: by the way, used to quote, usually toward the end 239 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: of his sermon. And it says that every valley shall 240 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: be exalted, the mountains and hills shall be made low, 241 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 3: the crooked places shall be made straight, the rough place 242 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: is smooth, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed. 243 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 3: And all flesh shall see it together. 244 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 4: It is. 245 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: Poetic and prophetic words of hope spoken to a people 246 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: in exile. They are literally an exile people geopolitically, physically, emotionally, 247 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 3: and spiritually exhausted because they're living through a dark period 248 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 3: where all of the things that give people a sense 249 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: of security, give the nation a sense of its identity, 250 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 3: including the temple, all of those things are in flux. 251 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 3: Everything is under threat and in wondering how can they 252 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 3: get back? Right, that's the whole theme of the exile 253 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 3: Win and how can we get back? And what I 254 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 3: love about that passage is it suggests that getting back 255 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: is not enough. And I think that's very relevant for 256 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 3: us in this moment, because I think all of us 257 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 3: are so traumatized by what Donald Trump has unleashed in 258 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 3: our country, the evil quite frankly that he is unleashed, 259 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 3: the ways in which all of our norms and the 260 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 3: things that hold us together as the oldest and greatest 261 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 3: democratic republic on the planet are under assault. 262 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 4: And there's a tendency to say. 263 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: If we could just get back, if we could just 264 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 3: get back to where we were. But if we think 265 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: about that deeply, we should know that no, that's not 266 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: what we need to do, because clearly there were a 267 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: lot of people being behind the circumstances that we were 268 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 3: already under. The status quote clearly was not working. If 269 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: it were working, there's no way the American people would 270 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 3: have elected someone a human being as morally depraved and 271 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 3: as broken as Donald Trump. Broken leaders our reflection of 272 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 3: a broken people. It's time for us to reimagine as 273 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: we approach the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of our 274 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: great nation, to reimagine who we can be. Expand the promise, 275 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: Expand the democracy so that the people who are living 276 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 3: in the valleys, in the low places can be brought 277 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: up a little bit higher, and the folks who live 278 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 3: in the high places will think about their obligation to others, 279 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 3: and that we would address these crooket places there are 280 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: a lot of crooket places obviously in our politics, and 281 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: that we will open ourselves up to possibility and who 282 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 3: we can be together. 283 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: You know a lot of people you just talked about 284 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of America, and a 285 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: lot of people are looking for ways, wondering how do 286 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: I celebrate America and this momentous anniversary given everything that's happening. 287 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: I urge people to read this book because you. 288 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: Weave in that theme of the two hundred and fiftieth 289 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: anniversary over and over. When you talk about the crooked 290 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: places and making them straight, you also refer to our country. 291 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 2: As a cathedral. Explain that part to me. 292 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 3: So the book actually opens with me standing in the 293 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: pulpit of the National Cathedral where I was the guest 294 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: preacher for the very first official June Team celebration as 295 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 3: a federal holiday in our country. It was June tenth, 296 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 3: the year twenty twenty three. And as I'm preaching before, 297 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 3: this cathedral that was diverse. 298 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 4: All kinds of folks showed up at Sunday. 299 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 3: Beyond the normal congregants, the others were there, and I 300 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: imagine America as a grand and majestic cathedral. Cathedrals take 301 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 3: a long time to build, They take decades to build. 302 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 3: Lots of things happen while they're being built. Wars, fluctuations 303 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 3: in the economy, all kinds of things happen, and yet 304 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 3: you have to keep building through all of those changes. 305 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 3: And the folks who sign up, the artisans, the crafts 306 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: people who decide to get involved in this project. They 307 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 3: get engaged in a project knowing that they will not live, 308 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 3: perhaps to see the full beauty and fruition of this 309 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 3: majestic marble, and yet they keep working at it because 310 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 3: they have a vision of the future and they want 311 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 3: to build a cathedral that their grandchildren and their great 312 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 3: grandchildren will inhabit. 313 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 4: America is a grand cathedral. 314 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: And you know, when you talked about the cathedral theme, 315 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: I thought of two cathedrals that I've visited. One is 316 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: familiar in bar Alona that has been under construction for 317 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: not decades, centuries, and it's still not finished. I think 318 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: they just put They just finished one tower, but there's 319 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: still stuff going on. But then I actually thought of 320 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: the cathedral of Notre Dame in France, and it got 321 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: burnt and damaged badly, and the country of France and 322 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: the world came together to help rebuild it. And now 323 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: it's more beautiful than even it was before the fire, 324 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: because in the rebuilding they were able to take away 325 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: centuries of grime and dirt and smoke and suit, so 326 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: in burning, it's actually kind of risen from the ashes, 327 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: more beautiful than before. And I want to hope that 328 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: that's what America is like that kind of cathedral. And 329 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: you talk about the peaks and in the valleys, and 330 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: you talk a lot about in this book the inequality 331 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: of wealth and your personal experience as a little boy 332 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: growing up with with needs, growing up as one of 333 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: the have nots, and how you were picked up, how 334 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: you were helped, how you are where you are today 335 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: sitting in the US Senate and thinks to those programs 336 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: that helped you, and that so many so called Christians 337 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: want to do away with an eradicate So can you 338 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about that? 339 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I love, I love what you're doing. 340 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 3: There, this idea that you know, even when the cathedrals 341 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 3: burned down, it's a crisis, but there's there's an opportunity. 342 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 3: And God knows so much as being burned down right now, 343 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 3: We've got to preserve the cathedral as it were, but 344 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 3: so much is being torn down, and and I think 345 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 3: we're where when we get to the other side of 346 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 3: this sad, sad chapter in American history, it does give 347 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: us an extraordinary opportunity to begin again to reimagine and 348 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 3: to think bigger. I mean, I think part of the problem, 349 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: part of the reason why we're here is working class people, 350 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 3: poor people, everyday people for the last fifty years have 351 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 3: been the victims of a failure of those of us, 352 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 3: say on the left, to dream big enough, to go 353 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 3: bold enough for everyday people. And so I think we 354 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: need to seriously rethink that I am an iteration and 355 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 3: a product of the American dream. I sit here as 356 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 3: a United States Senator as a layout. 357 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 4: In the book. 358 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 3: But you know, I'm the eleventh of twelve children in 359 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 3: my family. I'm the first college graduate in my family. 360 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 3: Here I sit with four degrees, including a PhD, in 361 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 3: a country and a culture of ours which there is 362 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 3: such an anti intellectualism. Most people in my position won't 363 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 3: admit they have a PhD. I admit I have mine 364 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 3: because I know how hard it took, how hard it was, 365 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 3: and how much it took for me to get here. 366 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 3: But but as a as a as a toddler head 367 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 3: start good federal program UH exposing young minds to learning 368 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 3: and literacy, I think if we were serious about building 369 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 3: a country where every child has a chance, we would 370 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 3: invest a whole lot more in zero to four because 371 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 3: that's really where. 372 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 4: The power is. 373 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 3: As as as bright as you may think you are, 374 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 3: You'll never be as smart as you were when you 375 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 3: were four. 376 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: That's what you talked about A saying an African saying 377 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: that means a lot to you. 378 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 4: Oh yes, yes, towards the casa in in ghetta. 379 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: And how are the children that that that that that 380 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 3: that should become the plumb line the way in which 381 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 3: we measure our public policy. How are the children, all 382 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 3: of the children. And looking at someone who was a 383 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 3: head start child as a high school student, upward bound, 384 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 3: another good federal program put me on a college campus. 385 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 3: And then when I went to more House College, the tuition, 386 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 3: room and board was more than my parents' income. But 387 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 3: I just wanted to attend the school that doctor King attended. 388 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 3: And through Pelgrams Low Interest student Loans, work study, my government, 389 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 3: my country provided me a narrow but realistic path to 390 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 3: the life that I now enjoy, Which is why I 391 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: serve with such passion. I serve the people. What keeps 392 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 3: me up at night is the realization that if I 393 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 3: were that fifteen year old kid today living on Cape 394 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 3: Street in Caten Holmes public housing, it would be significantly 395 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 3: harder now for me to get here than it was 396 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 3: as a kid growing up in the nineteen eighties, and 397 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 3: every single day I'm doing work to try. 398 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: You know, one of the things you talk about in 399 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,239 Speaker 1: the book. That you do in the book is you 400 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: confront some of these so called Christians who wear their 401 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: religion on their sleeve, who are constantly clutching the Bible, 402 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: and you say, well, I don't know what kind of 403 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: Christians they are. You talk about one specific moment regarding 404 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, where he brought 405 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: the pres in and showed them the chapel where he 406 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: had been praying for the passage of the big beautiful 407 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: Bill that they call and I just, you know, I'm 408 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: also it's made me think of Jdi Vance, who has 409 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: been on. 410 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 2: A book tour. 411 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: He's got a book about his faith, and I, you know, 412 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: listening to jade Van's listening to Mike Johnson, I do 413 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: not understand how you can reconcile being a Christian and 414 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 1: somehow defending pregnant women being dragged through the streets, and 415 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: immigrants being profiled, and children being held in deplorable conditions 416 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: at places like Dilly Detention Center. How you can, uh, 417 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, how you can justify getting rid of these 418 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: programs that help the neediest amongst us. 419 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: So I mean, what is it? 420 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: How does your head even stay without exploding when you 421 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: see this thing? 422 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 2: Because you know, to me it's ironic. 423 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: You are actually a preacher, you are a man of faith, 424 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: and you're not going around thumping your heart and clutching 425 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: your Bible. You actually live it. These guys do exactly 426 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: the opposite. So how do not how do you not, like, 427 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, how do you not get physically ill 428 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: with the hypocrisy? 429 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:48,719 Speaker 3: For me, the depth of your Christian faith, or the 430 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 3: authenticity of your Christian faith, is measured by the depth 431 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: of your commitment to the poor, and to the rejected, 432 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 3: and to the despise, to the most marginalized members of 433 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 3: the human family. Of those of us who are Christians 434 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: have to remember that Jesus was born, you know, became that. 435 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,719 Speaker 3: In Christ, God shows up in the form as a baby, 436 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 3: but not just any baby could have been born in 437 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 3: a palace, but as a homeless baby, as one who 438 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 3: who had to be smuggled, if you will, as an 439 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 3: undocumented immigrant into Egypt in order to save his life, 440 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 3: as a young child who grew up in a in 441 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 3: a barrio called Bethlehem, raised in a ghetto called Nazareth, 442 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 3: that is, and he when he preached his first sermon, 443 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 3: he said, I came to preach good news to the poor. 444 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 3: And so when I looked up and I saw the 445 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 3: Speaker of the House as they were getting ready to 446 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 3: pass what I call the one big ugly bill, gather 447 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 3: with his legislators in front of the press to pray along, prayer, 448 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 3: and then go and cut a trillion dollars out of Medicaid, 449 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: call it waste, fraud and abuse. That raised some real 450 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 3: serious ethical and moral questions for me. In a great 451 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 3: big government bureaucracy, is there some waste fraud abuse? 452 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 4: Of course, but. 453 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 3: They cut a trillion dollars out of Medicaid. They kicked 454 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 3: fifteen million people off of their healthcare. And before they 455 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 3: did that, they displayed that somehow this was a reflection 456 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 3: of their faith. And so I look, I'm not going 457 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 3: to question anybody's Christian confession. In fact, I accept that, 458 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 3: I will accept that he is my Christian brother, and 459 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 3: I'm going to hold him accountable on the basis of that. 460 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 3: And so what I know, and you're embodying it. People 461 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 3: are not moved by your creeds. They're moved by your deeds, 462 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 3: and Jesus said that they will know that you are 463 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 3: My disciples because of your love one for another. Injustice 464 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 3: is what love looks like in public. And so, as 465 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: a pastor who serves in the Senate, first of all, 466 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 3: let me be really clear. I don't want to live 467 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 3: in anybody's theocracy. I love being. I love this grand 468 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 3: experiment of democracy, a diverse republic where if you are, 469 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 3: that where government doesn't establish any religion, and I believe 470 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 3: in the separation of church and state. What I bring 471 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 3: to my work in the Senate is not my creeds. 472 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 3: I bring my values. But those values are resonant in 473 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 3: all of the great faith traditions, and they are embraced 474 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 3: by many many people who claim no faith tradition at all. Empathy, love, humility, compassion, 475 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 3: truth telling, justice seeking. My religion and my faith is 476 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 3: not a weapon. It is a bridge, and it compels 477 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 3: me to center the despised and reject. By the way, 478 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: the speaker saw my interview that you where I was 479 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 3: talking about this in the New York Times, and he 480 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 3: hasked to meet with me. And so I was glad 481 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 3: he did, because I actually made these comments a year ago, 482 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 3: and he heard him in a recent interview and he's 483 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 3: I learned something when I went to see him about 484 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 3: about how he thinks about the faith, which i'll be frank, 485 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 3: I think is wrong headed. I reminded him that there's 486 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 3: some two thousand verses and in scripture that tell us 487 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 3: how to treat the poor. Two thousand verses. The things 488 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 3: that folks on the right, my evangelical sisters and brothers 489 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 3: talk about, the Bible talks about very little, almost not 490 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 3: at all like you. 491 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 4: If you listen to them, you would think. 492 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 3: That Jesus' central concern is somebody's sexual orientation. He never 493 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 3: mentions it, not in any of the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luker, John, 494 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 3: and it's it's not a central issue at all in scripture. 495 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 3: But they're focused on these But scripture says a whole 496 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 3: lot about how you treat the poor. I'm a Matthew 497 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: twenty five Christian. And when I pointed that out to him, 498 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 3: I was hungry and you fed me. I was thirsty, 499 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 3: you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger, 500 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 3: it says, an immigrant, and you welcomed me. I was 501 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 3: in prison, I was sick and you visited me. I 502 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 3: laid that out and Mike Johnson said to me that 503 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 3: those scriptures pertain to personal engagement and conduct, not public policy. 504 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 3: He's completely wrong. I can tell you as a trained 505 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 3: theologian who spent my whole life studying. 506 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: So Mike Johnson is telling you, is telling you about religion, 507 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: and jd. Vance is telling the pope how to be 508 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: a pope. Yeah, that takes a lot of gumption. 509 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: You know. 510 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: One of the things you talk about in this book 511 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: that I had not heard from you before is when 512 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: you decided to run for the Senate and you went 513 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: to your congregation and you announced to them that you 514 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: were doing it, so you didn't ask for permission, and 515 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: you got some pushback. 516 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 2: There were some people there who. 517 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: Were not at all happy about their pastor wanting to 518 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: run for the US Senate. They wanted to get an 519 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: interim pastor. 520 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 3: And yeah, I pastor the famed historic ebonyz of Baptist Church. 521 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 3: By the way, to tell you, Eboneze is a great church. 522 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 3: It's a church that's not averse to getting in the 523 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 3: good trouble. This is mart Luther King Junior's Church, founded 524 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: in eighteen eighty six. I'm only the fifth pastor, so 525 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 3: they're used to getting into good trouble. But the idea 526 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 3: that their pastor would run for an office, that he 527 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 3: would get engaged in politics was something that understandably made 528 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 3: a lot of my parishioners and some of the leaders 529 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 3: in the church, my board nervous, and they were not 530 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 3: shy and letting me know as much. This has come 531 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 3: up before. Folks have been asking me to run for years. 532 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 3: I came close to doing it way back in the 533 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen cycle. I decided against it. But this time 534 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 3: it was clear to me that this is what I 535 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 3: needed to do, and so I met with the church 536 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 3: to announce that I'm going to do it, and I 537 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 3: hope you all come up along with me in this journey, 538 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 3: but that is up to you. And so yeah, that 539 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 3: was pushback, and my church is very proud. We've never 540 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 3: been closer. The spirit and the church is high because look, 541 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 3: they literally saw me go on this walk of faith, 542 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 3: because that's what it was, of faith. Well, who knows 543 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 3: how this will turn out again, because they had reason 544 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 3: to be concerned. Politics is a nasty game, but I 545 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 3: got involved. Who could have known that had I and 546 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 3: John also not one. Democrats wouldn't have had the majority 547 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one. My race literally flipped the Senate. 548 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 3: And because I flipped the Senate, we put Antie Brown 549 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 3: Jackson on the United States Supreme Court, the only black woman. 550 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 3: She wouldn't be sitting there even with Joe Biden in 551 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 3: the White House, had I not won. Because I won, 552 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: we were able to do my thirty five dollars insulin bill. 553 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 4: We were able to do a whole range of things. 554 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 3: We passed the largest, you know, clean energy billing in 555 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 3: human history. We passed the expanded Child Tax Credit, which 556 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 3: cut child poverty by forty for six months. 557 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 4: Because they wouldn't extend it, all of these things wouldn't 558 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 4: have happened. 559 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 3: And they now they get to see the way in 560 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 3: which my faith has come alive in the public square, 561 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 3: and they get to see me fight for them and 562 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 3: for Georgians. Last week it got announced that my private 563 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 3: Equity Provision, which stops private equity from swooping in and 564 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 3: buying all the housing that's in the road to Housing bill, 565 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 3: that they saw me stand up regarding this detention center 566 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 3: that they were building in Social Circle Georgia and I 567 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 3: was involved with advocating for that. We got the result 568 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,280 Speaker 3: we wanted, and finally, here's the thing. Much to their surprise, 569 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,240 Speaker 3: I'm actually in the pool pit preaching every Sunday. 570 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 2: You were there one Sunday I was. It was I 571 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 2: want to come back. 572 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: I need, I need to hear you and I you know, 573 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: I'm one of what you call the frozen chosen in 574 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: your book. I'm not a Protestant, but I'm a Catholic 575 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: and the I mean there if I'm telling you for 576 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: people who have never been in a Black church, particularly 577 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: your church, it is a whole vibe and a whole 578 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: experience because it's interactive. It's interactive in a way that 579 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: Catholic masses are certainly not. You say something in the 580 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: book that I can't tell you how much, how poignant 581 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 1: I found and how much it hit me. You said 582 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: you talked about your mom living to be able to 583 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: vote for you, and you said that the hands that 584 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: had picked Cotton were able to pick her son to 585 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: be the next US Senator from Georgia. Oh yeah, I 586 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: mean that's that's a lot to take it. 587 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, my mom is. 588 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: You know, she's in her eighties and she's you know 589 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 3: she's weaker physically and she's going through dementia now, so 590 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 3: she will never get to vote for me again. But 591 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 3: I have seen the arc of progress in our country. 592 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 3: It flows through my veins. My dad was twenty one 593 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 3: years older than my mom. He had a younger wife 594 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 3: in second marriage. My dad a World War Two veteran, 595 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 3: as I also point out in the book, one day, 596 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 3: had to give up his seat to a teenager on 597 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 3: a bus while wearing his soldier's uniform. There he was 598 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 3: a World War two era soldier prepared to protect, make 599 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 3: the world safe for democracy. Comes home, can't get any 600 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 3: democracy in his own country. He had to give up 601 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 3: his seat to a teenager. But here's the thing. My 602 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 3: dad had to give up his bus seat. His son 603 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 3: sits in a Senate seat. We can expand this democracy. 604 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 3: There are moments when the democracy expands women's suffrage. That 605 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 3: was one of those moments. The rise of LGBTQ community 606 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 3: folks demanding their dignity. That's an expansion moment, one I 607 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 3: affirmed not in spite of my Christian faith, but because 608 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,720 Speaker 3: of it. We're in a contraction moment where Donald Trump 609 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 3: is trying to squeeze the voices of the people out 610 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 3: of their democracy, citizens united. Passing that with the ways 611 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 3: in which our system is just a wash in money 612 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,760 Speaker 3: is a contraction of the democracy. But any woman who's 613 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 3: given birth will tell you that contractions are painful, but 614 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 3: they're necessary and they create the conditions for new birth. 615 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 3: And so I remain very hopeful I do about about 616 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 3: what we can build. 617 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: I love how in this book you call things out, 618 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: Like one of the things you call out is all 619 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: of corporate America, all of these corporations and business titans. 620 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: After George Floyd, they all started, you know, posting things 621 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: and doing programs, diversity programs also, and then they changed. 622 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: They did a one eighty the moment that Donald Trump 623 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: got reelected. I once told Kamala Harris after she'd lost, 624 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: and we saw people like Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg 625 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: and all of these business titans at the at the 626 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: swearing and I said to her, you know, if you 627 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: had won, Kamala, they'd be at the White House wearing 628 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: the shiki's and celebrated. And it just shows you that 629 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: I don't think, you know, we cannot put that level 630 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: of faith in business people, because at the end of 631 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,439 Speaker 1: the day. They want to make money, so they can't 632 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: be the ones that lead us. And another thing you 633 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: talk about in the book is, you know a lot 634 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: of people when they react to January sixth, they say, 635 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: that's not what America is, that's not who we are. 636 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: In the book, you say, no, that's actually exactly. 637 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 2: Who we are. 638 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so yeah. 639 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 3: I talk about this tension and I live between it 640 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 3: January fifth and January sixth. So on January fifth, the 641 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 3: people of Georgia did an amazing thing. They in one 642 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 3: fell suit, they said that their first black senator and 643 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 3: the first Jewish senator to the United States Senate. 644 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 4: It points to who we are at. 645 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 3: Our best, our highest ideals, I think, regardless of your politics. 646 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 3: The fact that that I could get elected in Georgia 647 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 3: and john also given that country's history. And just as 648 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 3: I was getting ready to celebrate, because that morning, the 649 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 3: next morning, January sixth, guess what I was on the 650 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 3: view talking to Anna Navara and Whoopi Goldberg. 651 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 4: But it was a short lived celebration. 652 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 3: We all know what happened by lunchtime, what was unfolding 653 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 3: in the Capitol. Both of those days tell us something 654 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 3: something important about America. 655 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: As we get to this two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. 656 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,320 Speaker 1: You talk about in the book how there are times 657 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: when you get tired, when you feel hopeless, when you 658 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: are broken, but you still have the faith, you still 659 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: seek the power, you still seek to continue. How do 660 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: you do that? Because I just think, you know, I 661 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: think there's so many people right now now who are 662 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: worn down to a nub who watch the news, who 663 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: see what's happening, see the attacks on civil rights, the 664 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: attack against voting rights, the attacks against the LGBTQ, the 665 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: attacks against the immigrants, and it just, you know, it 666 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: tears at your soul day by day, it tears at 667 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: your soul. And I think there's a very strategic effort 668 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: by Donald Trump to make people believe that their vote 669 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: doesn't matter by inserting all of this doubt about the 670 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: institution of democracy, about our elections into the national debate baselessly. 671 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: But how do you regenerate when you feel down? 672 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 4: Yeah? 673 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 3: My prayer life is central and I talk about that 674 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 3: in the book, and I actually lay it out for people. 675 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 3: How I spend time in the morning, quiet time where 676 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,240 Speaker 3: I'm sitting. I'm not just you know, too often prayer 677 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 3: for people who's about them talking to God? Well, when 678 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 3: do you shut up so God I can talk to you? 679 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 3: You've got to sit down and be quiet, steel enough, 680 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 3: often enough. Howard Thurman, the great Christian mystic, has been 681 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,760 Speaker 3: a great teacher for me in that in that regard, 682 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 3: here's the thing, in addition to my faith and the 683 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 3: disciplines of the spirit that I've cultivated most of my life, 684 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 3: you have to take the long view. I mean, we've 685 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 3: we've had tough times before, We've been in these struggles before. 686 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 3: And you know, I was John Lewis's pastor. We talk 687 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 3: about that struggle as if those victories were inevitable. We're 688 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 3: on the other side of the struggle. But I can 689 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,280 Speaker 3: tell you I was John Lewis's pastor. They had their doubts. 690 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 3: Andy Young tells me all the time, you know, Raphael, 691 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 3: you knew we didn't really know what we were doing, right, 692 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 3: we were pressing on, didn't We didn't really know what 693 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 3: we were doing. And we figured it out as we 694 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 3: went along. And that gives me hope, you know, he 695 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 3: tells Andy Young tells this great story. He says that 696 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 3: that when when h they passed the Civil Rights Bill 697 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 3: into law, Doctor King and his lieutenants, including Andy Young, 698 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 3: went to see the President and President Johnson said. 699 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 4: Hey, we got the bill passed. He said yes. 700 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 3: Doctor King said great, I need a voter right spill. 701 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 3: He didn't even skip a beat. And the President kept saying, 702 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 3: I can't get that done. This, I don't have the power. 703 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 3: They left the meeting. The staff was feeling all dejected, demoralized. 704 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 4: What are we going to do? 705 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 3: The President says he can't, he didn't have the power. 706 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 3: Doctor King said, well, I guess we're going to have 707 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 3: to go to the South and get himself. Doctor King 708 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 3: understood that it's not about the people in power. It's 709 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 3: about the power and the people. We proved that recently 710 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 3: in Georgia when the people of Georgia stood up. They 711 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 3: were getting ready to jerrymander those maps, and we stood 712 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 3: up and made enough noise, and they've tabled it. I 713 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 3: expect them to try it again. But what we have learned, 714 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 3: and I can give you many other examples. I think 715 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 3: we saw the Minnesota. When the people stand up and 716 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 3: resist and raise their voice and vote, it does. 717 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 4: Make a difference. And don't let anybody convince you otherwise. 718 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: I want to end with a personal request two hundred 719 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 1: and fiftieth anniversary of America. We're going through a lot 720 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: of dark times. Can you close us off with a 721 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: prayer for our country and our people? 722 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 4: Sure? Wow, no one's asked me to do that. Thank you. 723 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 4: Let us pray. God. You are. 724 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,280 Speaker 3: Known by many names, and you are worshiped in many houses. 725 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 3: But we confess this day our need for You, the 726 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,800 Speaker 3: source of our strength and the strength of our lives. 727 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 3: Give us hope in the midst of despair. Teach us 728 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 3: to take the long view. Remind us that evil always 729 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 3: goes too far, and therefore it contains within itself the 730 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 3: seed of its own destruction. We trust you even as 731 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 3: we do the work. Help us now as we bend 732 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 3: alongside you in partnership with God. May we bend the 733 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 3: long arc towards justice, and may we build what doctor 734 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 3: King called the beloved community, and a nation where every 735 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 3: child has a chance, and the world where children of 736 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 3: God are free. This we ask in the name of 737 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 3: the God who loves us and the freedom and frees 738 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 3: us into love it. 739 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 2: Amen. Thank you. Raphael Warnock. 740 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: You know how much I think of you, and I'm 741 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: going to come back to the church to hear you, 742 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 1: to hear you preach, and you know people can listen online, 743 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: that's right to your sermons. 744 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 3: And yeah, every Sunday morning ten a m ebeneze er 745 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 3: Atl or you can listen at any time we're online. 746 00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 2: Are invited. 747 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: And thank you for joining me today. I wish you 748 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,399 Speaker 1: nothing but the best. I am so proud of what 749 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 1: you are doing. I am so happy that this that 750 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: there were programs in place in this government, in that 751 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: government at that time that enabled you to be there 752 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,359 Speaker 1: today representing. And thank you in particular for standing up 753 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: for the for your Latino brothers and sisters and what 754 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,319 Speaker 1: we are going through right now. 755 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 756 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 4: Thank you keep it faith. 757 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: Thank you Santhertor Warnock for that wonderful interview and for 758 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,240 Speaker 1: leading us in prayer. 759 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 2: God knows we need it. 760 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 1: Now I want to talk about heroes of the week, 761 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,320 Speaker 1: and for me, this week, I have been so touched. 762 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,280 Speaker 1: It has been so emotional to see the people helping 763 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: people in Venezuela. International rescuers that have shown up from 764 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 1: so many different countries, the United States, Mexico, Qatar, Spain, Columbia, 765 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 1: the list is so long. The Venezuelan citizens, civilians, who 766 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: have shown up to the collapse buildings and with their 767 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: bare hands tried to remove rubble and try to save people. 768 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: The dogs, the trained dogs that have shown up again 769 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 1: from Venezuela and all over the world and have helped 770 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 1: find and rescue hundreds and hundreds of Venezuelans trapped under 771 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 1: collapse building. So I think, you know, I think it 772 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: has brought out the best in people. People just going 773 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 1: out there, risking their own safety, risking their own life, 774 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 1: putting themselves in harm's way to try to save others 775 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: and rescue. So those those are definitely the heroes of 776 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 1: the week. So that's it this week for Bleep with Anannavarro. 777 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,239 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for tuning, and remember leave me 778 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,479 Speaker 1: your comments, leave me your replies. I am reading them, 779 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: I am taking them all in. And also remember you 780 00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 1: can listen to us anywhere you get your podcasts and 781 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,360 Speaker 1: also watches on the iHeart app. Bleep with Anna Navarro 782 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 1: is a high finite media group production in partnership with 783 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,360 Speaker 1: Iheartmikududa podcast Network. For more of your favorite shows, visit 784 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.