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Speaker 1: Nay Hell, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: It's Wednesday, and that means we're recapping our old episodes

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Speaker 2: with all new commentary and updates and insight.

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Speaker 1: Today we're looking back on episode eighty. That's a great number,

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Speaker 1: which we named You're not gonna believe this live but

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Speaker 1: the rams Head Live. That can't be right.

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Speaker 2: It's our Baltimore live show. And did we mention it

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Speaker 2: was live? This episode came out August third, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's go to Baltimore like they are true murderinos.

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Speaker 1: I got us so excited when I saw this. Let's

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Speaker 1: listen to the intro of episode eighty. They're everywhere. Let

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Speaker 1: me do it, let me do it. What's up Baltimore?

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Speaker 1: I almost forgot. You have to do it in your

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Speaker 1: real voice. I don't know who my relic is. You

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Speaker 1: can do it.

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Speaker 3: What's up Baltimore?

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Speaker 1: There she is? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: That scares me. Thro Hia.

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Speaker 1: You guys are up in that. We are the part

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Speaker 1: of the Rhythm Nation Janet Jackson's section. That's rap. So

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Speaker 1: this is fucking MTV's the Grind. Am I right? They

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Speaker 1: filmed it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a this is it, this is it? Oh,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Whenever the bar is this close to the stage, it's

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Speaker 1: always a fun show.

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Speaker 3: So we're excited.

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Speaker 1: You're hi. This is my favorite murder. That's Karen. I'm Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Hi, go out.

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Speaker 1: I think it. I'm a year older. Yes, I much was.

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Speaker 1: Or thank you. Someone artist said it, thank you. It's

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Speaker 1: too late. Your moment's over. They already had it.

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Speaker 2: We have a special bond. You're merely redundant. I'm so

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Speaker 2: much wise, now, wouldn't you say, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. On the way over here, on the

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Speaker 1: drive here from DC, I was like, Jesus, she's so

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Speaker 1: much smarter. Yeah, wis. She's kept giving Vincent my marriage

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Speaker 1: advice and we were like better when we got here,

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Speaker 1: right yeah, right, yeah, we're about to divorce. And then

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Speaker 1: Karen was like boom boom, bob laid it down. Do

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Speaker 1: you do do do do that?

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Speaker 3: And we're like, all right, do.

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Speaker 2: You want to see the thing that I was doing

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Speaker 2: because we had to travel on my actual birthday. So

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Speaker 2: then when we got out of the car in front

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Speaker 2: of the hotel, we're in DC yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I get out of the car and just for Georgia.

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Speaker 2: I just went up here and went, I'm forty seven.

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Speaker 1: That's as high as I can kick my legs. I

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Speaker 1: had to kind of go back a little bit to

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Speaker 1: get it up at all. I was waiting for you

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Speaker 1: to fuck it. I once when I was a kid,

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Speaker 1: was like kick and there was no room, but I

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Speaker 1: fucking I was landed on my house.

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Speaker 3: It was embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: And then when he got on the plane, I found

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Speaker 1: Karen c and I went over to you. I think

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Speaker 1: the woman was sitting there next to you already, and

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Speaker 1: I did a fucking like, yeah, I just do it.

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Speaker 1: Do the full dance? What do the full dance of

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Speaker 1: what you did? Okay?

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Speaker 3: I just started going.

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Speaker 1: While you sang. Did I say yepy birthday? Yeah, that's right,

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Speaker 1: that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Well the very I'm positive she was a multimillionaire, middle

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Speaker 2: aged Asian woman that.

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Speaker 1: Was sitting next to me. It was just like then

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Speaker 1: the whole time was sorry, and I just kept apologizing

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Speaker 1: gifts across her.

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Speaker 3: I mean I had practiced that for months.

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Speaker 1: It was really good. You could take you.

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Speaker 2: You could tell that you had stretched and you had choreographed.

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Speaker 1: I'm a good dancer. You're not afraid to bust one

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Speaker 1: out and on a plane. Oh my god, no, I

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Speaker 1: have no kooth on a plane. Let's see what else?

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Speaker 1: What else can I tell you about? Teleroom?

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Speaker 3: Oh, you love your hotel room?

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Speaker 1: Chess with that? What it's like, you're just listing off

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Speaker 1: things we don't.

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Speaker 2: We walked down that hallway, went ahead and gotten the elevator.

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Speaker 1: That was good. Oh look we walked we walked these out.

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Speaker 1: Did you see is that you go?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Just Someone who also had a mug was like me too,

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Speaker 2: I love MUDs.

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Speaker 1: I guess one says fuck politeness on the front of it.

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Speaker 1: That this. We got these gifts backstage, and as you know,

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Speaker 1: we love presents from people. This is from Anne Margaret

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Speaker 1: ceramics and Margaret Chapter also make ceramics. I don't. She

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to come for this is embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: She's like, I'm sorry, I had an affair with Paul Newman.

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Speaker 2: I can't be out in public right now. I am

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Speaker 2: and Margaret and Margaret and Margaret old girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: H oh, well you know everything.

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Speaker 4: Night with me in Baltimore. I do not start a fight.

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Speaker 4: That was the ram said him. In Baltimore, I was legitimate,

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Speaker 4: you know everything. It was more like, you know, well everything,

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Speaker 4: you have to put.

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Speaker 1: Your hands way up high if you mean it positively.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. Oh yeah, So Baltimore, you guys have a

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Speaker 1: fucking ton of murders.

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Speaker 3: You guys, you guys, there's.

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Speaker 1: Not applause for murder that the bartenders are like, what

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Speaker 1: the fuck are what these fucking people? They're going to

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Speaker 1: their church group tomorrow, I'll pissed.

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Speaker 2: I actually told Georgia two in the car on the

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Speaker 2: way over that I'm not doing because I was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing these. I have to tell you really fast,

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Speaker 2: because this is fucking insane. One of them I wanted

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Speaker 2: to do, even though I'm almost positive it's a lie

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Speaker 2: and probably like a creepy pasta, but it's.

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Speaker 1: So good that I was like, maybe I'll just do.

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Speaker 2: It anyway and not saying anything, just add shit to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just passing long.

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Speaker 2: It was essentially the plot of Dexter, but yeah, here

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Speaker 2: in Baltimore. So it's like if Dexter came onto.

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Speaker 1: The wire and there was one article about it, it

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Speaker 1: was like here it is, one reporter caught it, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then the other one was horrifying too, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was fun. And then I told you one that I

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Speaker 1: didn't do too. Yes, that's right. We just you guys

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Speaker 1: had so many we were like and they, oh were

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Speaker 1: so horrifying, and we realized it sound like it was

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Speaker 1: the longest uber right ever. We really wasn't that far

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Speaker 1: if we tied to tell kinds of stories. We did,

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Speaker 1: and we haven't found a white castle yet, but we

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Speaker 1: found in Arbi's and that was a mistake today. Spence, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was driving, so it was his pick.

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Speaker 2: He was, Oh, can everyone give it up for Stephen

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Speaker 2: right now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 3: He's not here.

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Speaker 1: He's not here.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, we're not trying to trick you.

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Speaker 1: He's going to listen to this tonight after the show.

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Speaker 1: He listens every show. It's pretty fuckond sweet. Yeah. He

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Speaker 1: was watching my cats, which is so great, and he

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Speaker 1: sends me all these photos and the videos and I

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Speaker 1: can you know how you know your cat's expressions and

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Speaker 1: like what it means? And I was like, they are

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Speaker 1: so annoyed with him. He doesn't know it. But he

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Speaker 1: was just like me, me me me, me, me me

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Speaker 1: me me, And she was just like, no, can you

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Speaker 1: fucking leave me alone? And so I was like worried

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Speaker 1: that my dad, who doesn't like cats, is staying now

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Speaker 1: the rest of the weekend. And then I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 3: So I mean when when?

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Speaker 2: What if we go back and Stephen just has an

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I like it like this. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even like my right eye. It's fine Megi

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Speaker 1: You couldn't have an eye patch and a mustache, or

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Speaker 1: I guess you can. I guess you can. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: have to have a mustache with an eye patch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you get a poet shirt and you're

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Speaker 2: a pirate and everything's fucking rad.

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Cool? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Should we sit down?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: No, you don't decide you have to show everybody your dress?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Always forget this. What's it called again? Sophisticated something? We

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Speaker 1: checked the tag in her dress last night? If I

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Speaker 1: was like a scoloding fun sophisticated miss? Yeah, is the

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Speaker 1: brand of that dress with a commercial? Yeay?

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Speaker 2: This season, the sophisticated miss is going to talk about murders.

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Speaker 1: It's the perfect dress, thank you? And then you oh

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Speaker 1: this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Now that I'm one year older, I like to wear

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Speaker 2: things that are shapeless and odd.

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Speaker 1: I actually, this is truly the.

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Speaker 2: Dress that I like. Went into a store and I

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Speaker 2: I was like, man, this is not doing me any favors.

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Speaker 2: But whatever, we have to go on the road. But

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Speaker 2: I was going to buy a dress at Nords Drums

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Speaker 2: the day before we left, purely because it had pockets.

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Speaker 1: Like that's the only reason I wanted to buy it.

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Speaker 2: But I was looking at it and it had it

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Speaker 2: was like black, but it had like this weird high neck.

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Speaker 2: It was almost like a mom turtle neck dress, like

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Speaker 1: I was like, I will look like an evil dentist

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Speaker 1: if I wear this dress. I can't. Why don't I

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Speaker 1: get to have anything? However, pockets. I went to a

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Speaker 1: fucking thing. When I get into town, I'm like vintage

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Speaker 1: shop and yelp, and there was one not far so

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Speaker 1: we walked over and I bought something only because I

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Speaker 1: felt bad for the owner for the store, not for

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Speaker 1: the store. It was fine, but it just wasn't my style.

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Speaker 1: But the owner was like, so you know the kind

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Speaker 1: of like this does look good on you, and you

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Speaker 1: you like seventies And she was just like so earnest

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Speaker 1: and like and like meant it.

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Speaker 3: So I bought like two things.

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Speaker 1: I spend a lot of money all the time, and

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Speaker 1: I have a very full closet because because you're pity people, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what a dick? Do you have anything for a sophisticated miss?

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Speaker 1: But I bought a new house dress, so we're all good.

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Speaker 1: Oh nice? I was good. I can flowy as shit.

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Speaker 1: Don't let me, don't let me catch you.

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Speaker 2: And I know, let's see what else is every bunny.

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Speaker 1: That's been our show?

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Speaker 2: Oh someone brought me a happy birthday balloons last night?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, none of you did.

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Speaker 3: So they were in stage with us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we brought them on stage, which the Union Theater

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Speaker 2: stage hands did.

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Speaker 1: Not lie, and they were just like what if they

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Speaker 1: get away? And they were just like wow. And then

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Speaker 1: when Vin's brought out the birthday donut Campbell situation, yeah, they.

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Speaker 3: Were like, well, we'll follow you out the fire extinguisher.

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Speaker 3: It's one candle.

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Speaker 1: I'm not fucking making this up. Yeah, bucking Union pride. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: We sucking graid the union, Like we're just.

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Speaker 1: We're surrounded. How about next tour is called the Sticky

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Speaker 2: Anyhow we had Oh we had some ARB's on this one.

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Speaker 1: And look at you. Look what you fucking you did?

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Speaker 1: Hi you guys, all right, fucking Baltimore, jesus, I know,

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Joe Plazinski born too, Why are you laughing

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Speaker 1: at me? November eleventh, sixty eight. I have an eyepatch now,

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Speaker 1: DC last night and he hated us. No, he was

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Speaker 2: You guys, And I was like woh, we openly go

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Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing we can do, all right, So

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Speaker 1: Dotes on him. She's like a man child. His dad

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Speaker 2: your boyfriend is like, there's two of me, you'd be like,

439
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: you know what, I have to go home. I'm so sorry.

440
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: That's what forty seven year olds say.

441
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 3: Eighteen year olds are.

442
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: Like, eh, oh my god, there is there more. I'm

443
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: at the cue.

444
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: Uh.

445
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: We're making fun of it, but it's fucking true. That's fine.

446
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: So he kept guns under his bed and in his car. Okay,

447
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: and once he held a knife to Amy's throat, beat

448
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: her multiple times, including when instances when the police and

449
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 1: other witnesses were like, hey, what the fuck's going on here,

450
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: and he'd be like, no, we're fine, we're good, and

451
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: he and they would let him walk away with this woman.

452
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: He was beating the ship out of a child. She

453
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: suffered a lot of fucking contusions and lacerations. Could here

454
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: for months because I don't one ear. He was very abusive.

455
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: She didn't want to press charges, and because she's fifteen

456
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's your thing. But her mom was like, oh,

457
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: how fucking no, you know what I mean, because she

458
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: was probably forty seven, You know what I mean. She's

459
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: the opposite of Pam. He doesn't stand for shit. She

460
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: works in human resources and she does not Yeah, her

461
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: mother later recalls. Amy's mother later recalls getting a phone

462
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: call from Pam, who's like, and this is a pattern

463
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: she comes up with, is begging not to press charges

464
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: against her son. I'm so sorry. He's gonna get help.

465
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: He just needs da da da dah. And he's out

466
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: of her childhood. And Amy's mom is like, go fuck

467
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: yourself again, and she said that you're gonna He's gonna

468
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: kill somebody someday. Yeah, he plays knocks called foreshadowing. Any

469
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: bays him, but he never did. No, he never killed anyone.

470
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 5: What.

471
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a story about somebody else. Oh shit,

472
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:11,239
Speaker 1: oh this is from my other podcast. He pleads not

473
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: guilty by reason of insanity. A psychiatrist found some competent

474
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: to stand trial, and he's sentenced to four years in prison.

475
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: And Hagerstown, Haggerston, Hagerstown. It doesn't sound like any he

476
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: doesn't do that. I know, Okay, got it. We're a

477
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: little hurt from last night in DC. We got it.

478
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: We have a lot of those names.

479
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: Are hard and I just think every name was different

480
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: than how it was spelled.

481
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: And it was like three times as I don't know

482
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: as many as you. And they're already yelling the same

483
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: yeah thing. But this is intimate, Okay. He serves two years,

484
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: including time for an attempt to escape. He's getting counseling.

485
00:25:53,359 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: He's described as having deliberately dangerous situations. Fantasies isn't with

486
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: his identity that he thinks as like a Rambo hero.

487
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: He thinks he is, and when he would like have

488
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: girls page him. He'd say like, or he'd paige girls.

489
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: He'd be like, you know it's me when I paid

490
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: you double O seven.

491
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: Oh, I hope he gets sued for that. Sorry, that's

492
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: copyright infringement.

493
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: You're not a lady. Oh what year was this? So

494
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: this is all around the early nineties. I wanted it

495
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: to be Now if page just loser has a pager, look,

496
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: you can page me, yeah, just do a double is

497
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: of it. So when he's twenty two, he's released from

498
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: jail in April ninety one. He no longer faces prosecution

499
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: for meeting another x years before because the judge just

500
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: dismissed the trial because he couldn't it wasn't fair because

501
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: he couldn't get a speedy trial because he was in

502
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: prison that whole time. So they were like, you don't

503
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: get it. You're not You're been gone too long, so

504
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: we're not going to charge you for you know what

505
00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean.

506
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's one of our rights speedy trials.

507
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know if that's how we use it. Okay,

508
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: I know. He goes to date other teenagers, charms all

509
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: of them. He's he's like he's hot in the like

510
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: you know that type seven way. Yeah, he's hot and

511
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: that well, we have a photo of him. But okay,

512
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: we have a photo. Can we put up the I

513
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: think it's noodles? Is the guy who's doing Oh so

514
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: that's him? Oh can you see it? You see on

515
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: Knox Landing. That filter is amazing. Can we do the

516
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: next one. That's the kind of filter I want to

517
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: start using. Can we do the next one?

518
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? All right, so this is him?

519
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: Oh shit, wait, took that down? Don't look at that?

520
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: Is that job? Yeah? Three four and five, that's what

521
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: he did. Okay, No, we haven't gotten married out. I

522
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: got it. I like him in a hat though, So

523
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: like that guy. You know, that guy drives a Mustang,

524
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: has muscle as a pager, has a pager, got it.

525
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: Probably wears like you know the dnim washed lightwa washed jeans. Careful, Oh,

526
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: but in the nineties, so it's not ironic. Uh. Charms

527
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: the shit out of them, and then he goes and

528
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: then then he goes on to physically and sexually attack

529
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: them for various infractions. He gave one girl a black

530
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: eye and threatened her with a razor blade because he

531
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: found birth control pills in her bedroom and was like,

532
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: you can't fucking take these, like super controlling, abusive, typical,

533
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: and he's trying to get her pregnant. I don't.

534
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like you can't.

535
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: You know, he's just controlling in a way, and wow, yeah,

536
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: it's really like classic abusive, classic jobie. So he attacks

537
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: her at school and threatens to blow her brains out,

538
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: but he also threatens multiple girls that he's going to

539
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: kill their family and leave them alive to suffer.

540
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: So he thinks that he can make.

541
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: A girlfriend come back to him or drop charges if

542
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: she's terrified. What would happen if he didn't. So just

543
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: fucking intimidating these girls and their families, solid battery. Uh,

544
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: let's see standoff in ninety two that lasted sixteen hours

545
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: with the cops and then what like he's just you know,

546
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: going around, he's.

547
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: Just doing his thing. Now do you know what the

548
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: standoff was for?

549
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: He got out of like jail again and then went

550
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: and like assaulted a sixteen year old thirteen year old girl,

551
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: and I think they like came after him and then

552
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: extradited him back here. Well suh oh, let's see here

553
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: he had a rifle and a magnum handgun, and he

554
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: played a Russian roulette, which everyone knows is the tough

555
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: guy move. That's the toughest thing you can do. And

556
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: he just constantly go to court after he would beat

557
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: up a girl, and he got more and more afraid

558
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: of returning to jail, and he started thinking that he

559
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: would do whatever it took to versus victims to drop

560
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: their charges. So he's getting desperate because he's getting close

561
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: to having to spend a long time in jail. And

562
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: so he's twenty seven when he starts dating Michelle michaela

563
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: who's seventeen. It looks like Michelle Michelle who was seven.

564
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: He's seven, she's seventeen, he's twenty seven. He chokes her

565
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: and slams her head against shower tiles on Christmas Day

566
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: in ninety five, and let's see he throw her off

567
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: the balcony. So mery fucking Christmas.

568
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

569
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: He sent one of his girlfriend's father to the hospital

570
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: because he was like, stop dating my fourteen year old daughter.

571
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: You're thirty, and he was like I won't and she

572
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: was like I won't stop dating him. He goes to

573
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: the hospital with four broken ribs, and a split lip

574
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: requiring stitches when the father tried to intervene with the relationship.

575
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: Then he's diagnosed with schizophrenia paranoid type and concluded that

576
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: he met the criteria of legal insanity at that point.

577
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: So he's found not guilty on federal weapons charges after

578
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: this whole ordeal because he played insanity. Yeah, I don't

579
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: think he was schizophrenic at all. Like from everything you

580
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: read about him, he sounds like he was like tricking

581
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: the system and being like I'm crazy and like like

582
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: years and years of it. Although he did think he

583
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: was James Bond, all right. So soon he has a

584
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: new sports car, he's out of prison, a Maza RX seven,

585
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: and he's romancing a young woman. He meets at where

586
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: every good relationship starts, at the checkout line at a

587
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: Super Fresh.

588
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

589
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes when people ask me how Vincent I met, I

590
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: lie and tell them that's where it was. I really

591
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: wanted to be that.

592
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: You're like, we're in line, it's Super Fresh, and I

593
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: saw his pager and I was like, I have to

594
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: talk to this guy.

595
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: And then one went out and I saw his car

596
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: he was driving. I was like, aps fucking Lily yes,

597
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: we're dating. Are at seven? Yeah, mazda jail nineteen times?

598
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: Hello, yes, okay yeah.

599
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: But then he'd say to the girls like, you know,

600
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: yes I was in prison, and yes these things happened.

601
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: But my ex girlfriend, she she manipulated me. She lied

602
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: about me beating her up. She'd lied I cheated on her,

603
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: and so she got pissed at me and made all

604
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: these you know, none of it was real. And the

605
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: girls were all like, oh my god, I'm going to

606
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: help him. He's right, and like they fucking did everything

607
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: for him. But they were all under eighteen except Tracy

608
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: Whitehead is twenty, so that's who he meets in line.

609
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: So Tracy is still fighting an addiction to heroin when

610
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: she meets Joe, and she's also working to get her

611
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: kid back, who she had at fifteen, and is staying

612
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: with her parents while she's kicking heroin. But before long,

613
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: with Joe's charming help, she'd been drug free for a

614
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: year and he would take them on outings and you know,

615
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: just seemed like a good guy who like wanted to

616
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: marry her, and they moved in together, but sometimes he

617
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: would split, He would spit on her, dowsed her, I'm sorry,

618
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: could we pause for a second. What occasion? Like, what

619
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: do you wait till Christmas came around again? Or I

620
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: mean I gleek on Vince sometimes an accident, not on purpose.

621
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: I get excited when I tell stories and stuff. Yeah

622
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: spiddle yeah, but not like that. No, no spin on

623
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: her Downasa Risota give her a black eye and a

624
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: split lip, and once when she had slipped back into drugs,

625
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: he knocked her unconscious a few times. He threatened that

626
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: if she left him, he would kill her whole family,

627
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: leave her alive to suffer. So she had just been promoted,

628
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: like she's getting her life back together. She just promoted

629
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: to assistant manager at her job, and she'd been drug

630
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: free for a year and a half, which Joe took

631
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: all the credit for sure, and she could finally afford

632
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: to live on her own. And she knew she had

633
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: to leave this abusive race relationship, so she saved up

634
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: some money, found an apartment, was ready to move in

635
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: and leave him, but the apartment wouldn't be ready for

636
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: a week. Oh jesus, it's like this is exactly what

637
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: they littalize. This is like the plot of it. Oh

638
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: is it kind of no? I mean there's one, there's one, yes, yes,

639
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: So she has him arrested for beating her at one point,

640
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: and another assault conviction would violate his probation and send

641
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: him to jail for twenty ten years, and he felt

642
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: he had nothing left to lose at that point. Yeah. No,

643
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: it's never a good feeling, she secretly. So she found

644
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: her new place and she couldn't move in. So her

645
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: really sweet manager, fifth year old Gloria Shank, who had

646
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: also been in a bad relationship in the past, was like,

647
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: come stay with myself and my husband will take care

648
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: of you. Shouldn't stay there, So her husband, George, they're

649
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: in the community of Bowlie's Quarter near Middle River. Oh

650
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: she said it right, Yeah, three people lived there here,

651
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: it's a gorgeous little place when he went to then okay,

652
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: so she's staying with them, and it's George and Gloria,

653
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: which actually I was almost named Gloryloria and or George

654
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: was gonna be my which is so creepy. Right, Yeah,

655
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: that's insane, I guess. So they're all at home, the

656
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: three of them, they're watching Texas Walker Texas Ranger. Why

657
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: is that the saddest part of it? I know I

658
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: was editing this, and I was like, leave that in

659
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: for Karen, like I knew you'd want to hear it.

660
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: Joe breaks into the house. There's an unlocked backs door.

661
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: Lock your fucking door. He gets in the house and

662
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: he has his gun, and he has two guns, and

663
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: he says that demands Tracy to come with him, and

664
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: she panics and freezes and like drops to the ground.

665
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: And then hears a shot and looks up and he

666
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: had shot Gloria.

667
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: Oh.

668
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: Then he shoots George. He killed them both, no way, yeah,

669
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: And then he begins his killing spree. He drags her

670
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: barefoot by the hair into the night. She's screaming their neighbor,

671
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: David Myers forty two, who tries to stop.

672
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 3: Them, and he's shot and killed two.

673
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: He shoves her into his mother's van and drives off,

674
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: takes her to the woods, holds a gun to the

675
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: back of her head and threatens to kill her. She

676
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: begs him to let her live long enough to tell

677
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: her son she loved him, but instead he describes what

678
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: he's going to do to her, including blow away her

679
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: arms and legs and keep her alive, like make her

680
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: live in a wheelchair for the rest of her life, like,

681
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: what the fuck man.

682
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 2: He's fucked up, a fucking fuck abusive.

683
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: He continues to beat her until they find a camper.

684
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: They go to sleep in the morning. When they wake up,

685
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: his anger's gone. It was like he was one of

686
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: those people that, like, the next minute he could be like,

687
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: can I make you dinner? You know what I mean?

688
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: I didn't make that up. That was really in it.

689
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: And so he's not mad anymore. He wakes up, He

690
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: makes a little bed under a tree, and she's like,

691
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: let's pray and ask God to forgive you for what

692
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: you've done.

693
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 3: And he promises.

694
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: He prays and he starts crying, and he said, I

695
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: brought a ring. I want to propose to you, joby

696
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: not now. I mean, I know it's a nerve wracking time.

697
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: That's a scary thing.

698
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: Oh that's fuck. Oh I mean to promote to someone.

699
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: Maybe he just you know, he's nervous.

700
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: She's just staring at him, like are you are you

701
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: fucking I told you I wanted to do this at

702
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: the pier.

703
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: We were gonna do it at line and at the

704
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: Super Fresh or whatever it's called.

705
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: Shit, that's okay, Wow, I mean, so I'm sorry. That

706
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: means that the ring was like in his pocket the

707
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,479
Speaker 2: whole fucking time, like.

708
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: That was his plan. Wow, And he was like, I know,

709
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: this is a bad time, really, And then he gave

710
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: her a necklace with a golden baby ring on it

711
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: and that he said it was intended for their first child.

712
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: Oh dude, that they were going to have. Yeah, and

713
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: he kind of knew he was gonna die at the

714
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: end of this whole thing, so he was like, I

715
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: was gonna do this, but fuck it, here you go.

716
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: Tell my mom I lover seriously, so she convinced. She

717
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: plays along. She convinces me Lee the woods. Let's go

718
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: find some food. They're drinking from a hose behind a

719
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: house in Chase. When the owner drove up, Joe pulls

720
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: out his gun and the man fucking takes off to

721
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: the street, waving down cars. So he survives. She pushes Trace.

722
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: He pushes Tracing into the homeowner's car, and then at

723
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: the evening of March eighth, he kills his fourth victim,

724
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: Jennifer McDonald. She's thirty six. He later carjacks an eighty

725
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: one year old woman. She's not injured, and then they

726
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: go to the l Rich Motel on Pulaski Highway.

727
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: Someone's just nervously laughing in the back. I know, I

728
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: don't know what to do with any of this.

729
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: It's the bartender, it's his first day, and he's like,

730
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: this is not what I thought. I thought the Pixies

731
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: were playing tonight. God damn it. So they're in the

732
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: hotel and on the news they're showing pictures of the

733
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: people that he had already killed. Tracy's crying, He's freaking out.

734
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: He says, we got to get out of here. I

735
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: left the guns in the car, he realizes. So they

736
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: go into the parking lot and there's a police cruiser

737
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: in the parking lot. Tracy fucking breaks away, runs over

738
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: to the police guards, starts banging on the windows, and

739
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: Heath and Joe takes off. Wait was there cop inside?

740
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: I think? I hope so I do too, I'd assume yeah, okay,

741
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: she's banging.

742
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: On windows, Yeah yeah. She somehow goes to the cop.

743
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: Okay. Good. And so he's like freaking out, takes off

744
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: and there's some woods behind him, and he fucking bulls

745
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: into the woods.

746
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: Tracy makes it out alive.

747
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: Good, good guy. Yeah, wait, but there's still another page. Yeah,

748
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: there's one more page. But I mean, is she alive, Tracy?

749
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, okay, yeah, she's alive.

750
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: Okay. I think we talked about this last episode. This

751
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 1: is what happened next. Okay, wait, I don't think anyone

752
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 1: else dies? Yay, okay, So because he like randomly left

753
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: certain people alive, like he carjacked them. He carjacks a guy,

754
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: let me read it. Uh So there's hundreds of law

755
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: enforcement officers, bloodhounds which I really want a bloodhound, No

756
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: you don't, and a robot they like search the woods

757
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: and the storm drains.

758
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 3: Is a George Park one.

759
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: Is half how is how And she's out of her

760
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: fucking mind.

761
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: I love how?

762
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: Are they crazy? They're insane.

763
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: They can smell everything, and they're like, there's really sensitive.

764
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: You have to walk them twice a day or they

765
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: just stare at you like you're killing them, and.

766
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: They want to like they just want to go snuffle

767
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: and shit. Right.

768
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also those ones are like floppy, like if

769
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: you know, unless you love spit, I don't know whatever

770
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: of your deally, Well, that's my deal.

771
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: So it becomes Baltimore County's most extensive manhunt. People are

772
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: buying baseball bats and ammunition for their guns and like

773
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: fucking freaking out.

774
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: Because he's just loose in the city and everyone knows

775
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 2: there's someone just killing people.

776
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, loose.

777
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: And then two days later he goes to Virginia, kidnaps

778
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: William Lewis Tarrell and orders him to transport him back

779
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: to eastern Baltimore County and then releases him unharmed. So

780
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: it's this really weird like depending on what mood he's

781
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: in that day or it sounds yeah, on Friday, March seventeenth,

782
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: So fucking week later, you got some man like running

783
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: around your county.

784
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 3: Can you imagine?

785
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: He goes to Dundalk thundlk it's pronounced.

786
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 3: All right, I got that wrong.

787
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: I'm from Maryland. He goes to the home of Tracy's mom.

788
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: Now we're with Tracy's mom. Okay, white missus white head? Wait,

789
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: I thought they who would the people got shot? Those

790
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: were that were her That was her manager, her job

791
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: who okay, okay, right, and her husband who had been

792
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: in a bad relationship like to stay with us for

793
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: a week.

794
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: So those weren't her parents.

795
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry for some reason. No, I named George. I

796
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: just assume that's the dad.

797
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what.

798
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 3: Fair enough, it's a dad name. Yeah, it is a

799
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 3: dad name.

800
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: So her so Tracy's mother, she's like, because remember he

801
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna kill your family.

802
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: Gets to the gets to their house, you'd think the cops.

803
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: Nope, I'm not gonna say. Lynn and her boyfriend Andrew

804
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: are there, and their twelve year old son, Bradley are

805
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: all there. Bradley like, here's a knock at the door.

806
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 3: He's twelve.

807
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: He opens the door and is like, oh, I know Joe,

808
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: and they hadn't warned him.

809
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: He comes in the fucking house.

810
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: Okay, I just say this.

811
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: This is what happens when anytime there's a little kid

812
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: around and there's bad shit happening, and the kid goes, hey,

813
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: what's going on? You go I'll tell you later, I'll

814
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: tell you who you are. And then that used to

815
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: happen to me all the time because I was the youngest.

816
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: So like one time my cousin Cheryl's husband.

817
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: Was in the kitchen. I was like, Hi, what's going on,

818
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: where's Cheryl? And then he was like, oh, we're getting

819
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: a divorce.

820
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: And I was like, and apparently it had been going

821
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: on for months and just they forgot.

822
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: To tell me. Hold, I'm on his side right now.

823
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: I'm really mad. You gotta tell twelve yeirl kids, you've

824
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: got to the worst thing. And that's everyone here was told.

825
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: Like I feel like all Murderino's were told the thing

826
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: at twelve. Yeah, that's right. They wouldn't have answered the door.

827
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: Every single person in this room would have been like, fuck, no,

828
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: Joe killed all these people. That weird guy with the

829
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: pager I never liked. Yeah, no, um okay, So ninety

830
00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: seven hours he's holding them hostage. That's over three days.

831
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: Did they get a pee? Did they eat? I want

832
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: to know everything?

833
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: What did they do?

834
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: Did they say you have that house right? Yeah? Okay,

835
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, occasionally firing shots at law enforcement who are

836
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: out front watching visual card. They got the visual on them.

837
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: They got the visual.

838
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: They're visual, they're vigual, they're individuals.

839
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: They're just being themselves out there.

840
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. This this podcast for me is yatzi. I'm just

841
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: making up words.

842
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: Isn't that yatzi?

843
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 5: No?

844
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: Oh?

845
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: Which the one?

846
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: Or you make up words with all your words? That's terrible.

847
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: I thought you meant just like a X whatever house.

848
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: I should have gone with that house.

849
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always go with its. Pretend like you meant

850
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: the bullshit you just said.

851
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: No, what's the one where you press the thing down

852
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: and it pops and you have to that's trouble. That's trouble.

853
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: It's hungry, hungry, ych It's a hard case. The popping

854
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: one is trouble. Oh, I'll give you trouble. That was

855
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: the if you help around the back that that things

856
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: I need to good back. Oh. I know every fucking

857
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 1: song diarrhea. Were you singing the diarrhea song?

858
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: Pay?

859
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: I might have been singing the trouble song in the

860
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: key in the cut.

861
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 2: Diarrhea when you are sliding in a home.

862
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: Good bartenders are quitting in mass They're just clogging the

863
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: fuck out out. It was darbage. They're going straight to therapy,

864
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: emergency therapy.

865
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 3: Me too, Let's all go okay.

866
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: Ninety seven hours he's they're firing shots at each other.

867
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: And then on the evening of Tuesday, March twenty first,

868
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: Lynn and Andrew fucking in the most badass move and

869
00:45:54,600 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: fucking hostage situation history history. Yeah. Fuck, but give him

870
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: a glass of iced tea laced with fucking xanax. Yes, joby,

871
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: I made you some special high seat. So I took

872
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: san x one time. Are you taking it right? Wait?

873
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: What you've taken it right? All of a sudden, I

874
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: thought you said you've done heroin right.

875
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, just tell me right now, tell

876
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: me in Baltimore.

877
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: No answers, no, everyone.

878
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: I took xanax one time with my friend. We took

879
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: xanax and we watched the Food Network and drank red wine.

880
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing. It was sorry going to drugs.

881
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 2: It was amazing because I had absolutely no feeling about

882
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: anything at all, which was simultaneously I realized how insane

883
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: I was. Where I was like, oh, I'm worried about

884
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 2: many things all the time.

885
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is usually your brain.

886
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: Yes, but also that like calm waters that's not for

887
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: me either, thank you.

888
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

889
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: I need a little I need a little fretting.

890
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: Everyone needs a little crazy.

891
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: Yes. When you don't care about anything, I mean, yeah,

892
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: you become pam in HR. Yeah that's right. Oh shit,

893
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: well I'll get it later that oh x annex. Yeah.

894
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: The first time I took it, I was like on

895
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: a way to a thing and I was really nervous

896
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: in my friend who was driving. I was like, can

897
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: you shut up?

898
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 3: And like gave me one.

899
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: And then and you know how I am in a car,

900
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking lunatic, stressed out asshole. I scream at everyone,

901
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: not out like they don't hear me. I just scream

902
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: in the car. And I was in the car driving

903
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: with her, and then I was like, traffic's cool because

904
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: you could just like see everyone and see what they're doing.

905
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh my god, I have

906
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: bad anxiety this whole time.

907
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: And then I knew. And then I got a prescription.

908
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 2: You're like, goodbye caring, Yeah for sure, Okay, so.

909
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: Xanax It fucking knocks him out, which I'm like, how

910
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: much would you give him? I bet you. They were like,

911
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: and get the other bottle? And how much do you

912
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: think he was mad at her? I'm being sexist. When

913
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: she was like I got up in Santa's prescription. He's like,

914
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: you don't need that ship and then she's like, aren't

915
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: you fucking glad? I got.

916
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: Andrew.

917
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: So then Andrew's like, I'm gonna piece out and get

918
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: the cops. But he makes a lot of noise tumbling

919
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: out the window in a panic. Yet it didn't wake Pelazinski. Wow,

920
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: because he was drug like a horse. Okay, they leave,

921
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: They both leave, the parents both leave, and they leave

922
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: the kid in the kitchen. I leave next to Joe before.

923
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: They also on xanax, like it'll be high. They also

924
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: put the kids, didn't we talk about that last episode

925
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: about parents leaving their kids behind when they like, yeah,

926
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: oh my, I mean okay, sleeping on the kitchen floor.

927
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: They get the fuck out.

928
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: They they're reasoning, which I'm sure the cops were like, yeah,

929
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: fucking right. Is that they were like, well, we thought

930
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: if he'd wake him up, he'd be like what where

931
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: are they? What's going on? And wake up Joe? Yeah,

932
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: because little kids can't fucking wake up silently, that's true,

933
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: which is like, well, well, um, and then they kill

934
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: them all. It's like, well, let's just kill your kid now,

935
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 1: So what are you doing? They thought it was best,

936
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: so they got out, got the cops. The cops were like,

937
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: what the fuck there's a kid alone in there, So

938
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: they like just.

939
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 3: Were like fuck it and burst into the house.

940
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: Wow, because they're like, we're not fucking waiting for this,

941
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: which is awesome. And they say that when Joe, when

942
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: they did that, Joe sat up and reached Throw's weapons.

943
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: So they shot him twenty seven times. My and seven

944
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: of those shots were straight into the beeber. I'm sorry,

945
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: I hate I hate you for so much. I don't

946
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: know why. Oh and he died. He died. Oh he died.

947
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 2: He did die of twenty seven wounds.

948
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: Okay, uh okay, So here's how I'm gonna end it

949
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: on a positive note, because my god. Uh So. A

950
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 1: year later, on Tracy's twenty third birthday, so Tracy sends in, Okay,

951
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: Howard Stern is like, everyone, send me listeners, send me

952
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: your hardship stories. I'm gonna pick one, and you're gonna

953
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: get an all expense pay trip to Vegas and you're

954
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: gonna get one hand of blackjack to win it all.

955
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna I'm gonna give you this much money

956
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: to put on blackjack, and here's how much you could win.

957
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: I don't remember how much it was. Yeah, And so

958
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: she sends like, well, here's my fucking story. I win.

959
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Howard Stern was like, uh huh.

960
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you fucking win. She got picked. She got picked.

961
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: He fucking flies her out to Vegas. And I remember

962
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: this happening because my brother was obsessed with Howard Stern

963
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: back then, and we would just that's all we would

964
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: listen to. H Yeah, he picks her. She goes there,

965
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: single hand of black check. She wins one hundred thousand dollars.

966
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 3: No, that's that.

967
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: And then she turned to the first gumbag ge sees.

968
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 2: Let's get married.

969
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: Oh, you just ruined it. Holy ship. No, that's that's

970
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: amazing crazy. Yeah. Do you have a picture, Oh, we

971
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: have pictures. Is there a picture? I mean, there's a

972
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: standoff picture that's him, Yeah, Dick, there he is, and

973
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: then that's the standoff ship, and then the one the

974
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: first photo is Tracy and Joe. Oh yeah, when they

975
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: were hugging. Yeah. If you can go to the first photo,

976
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: you can't go back. I know. He's like, I get

977
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: a picture.

978
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 3: It's like I don't need him.

979
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: I don't need him.

980
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: So you can tell we're not used to the visual

981
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: component of this podcast.

982
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: Rusty and different. So that's Joe Pelzinski a fucking killer.

983
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, that's it all right. I just hit

984
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: my teeth with the microphone. You did. Yah, thank you.

985
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: Let's hear it.

986
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: Thank you.

987
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was big. That was a lot. No, I

988
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: don't want to get xanax.

989
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, we're back. Are there any updates on

990
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 2: this case?

991
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: There are no updates on this case. But we got

992
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: a ton of emails from Murderino's before and after we

993
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: covered this. Whose hometown this was? And so I found

994
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: a good one. Let's see, so this person has a

995
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: couple different contact points with this case. I'm going to

996
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: read you one and she says, let's backtrack summer nineteen

997
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: ninety four, maybe ninety five. My cousin is six months

998
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: younger than I am, about one hundred pounds lighter. She

999
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: meets this guy at a McDonald where all the teenage

1000
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: meet Cutes happen and they start quote talking, remember when

1001
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: you were just talking this. He's very braggy, a real

1002
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: shit talker. He's a bodybuilder, he drives nice cars. Dara, YadA, YadA,

1003
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: you know the type. In the process of this, two

1004
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: crazy things happen. My aunt does a handwriting analysis on

1005
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: this guy and senses he's kind of off. My cousin,

1006
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: being the super slick blood relative of mine that she is,

1007
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: rifles through his wallet while he's doing the handwriting sample,

1008
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: and doing so, she finds multiple identifications with different names

1009
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: and the same photo and figures out he's about ten

1010
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: years older than he's claiming to be. She asks him

1011
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: who are you really? And his super slick, manipulative asshole

1012
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: reply is who do you want me to be? She's sixteen.

1013
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: She told him to kick rocks. She stayed sexy and

1014
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: didn't get murdered, went on to have six babies and

1015
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: four step children. She's really happy in life. I can't

1016
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: tell if that's sarcastic. And then during the man hunt,

1017
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: she says, I'm at work. My dad calls me to

1018
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm watching the news not to be worried.

1019
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: My aunt Dollie had been taken hostage by that psychopath

1020
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: and he took her teapot and stole her car. That's

1021
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: the woman in the story. Oh my god. He apparently

1022
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 1: walked into her house and she said, who the hell

1023
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: are you and he said, don't you know who I am?

1024
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm on TV like this has been a massive news

1025
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: story and then they write, y'all, you have no idea

1026
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: how mean this lady was. He told her to lay

1027
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: face down on the bed, and she told him, no,

1028
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: if you're going to kill me, I'm going to see

1029
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: it coming. He told her he was hungry and asked

1030
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: her if he could have something to eat, and she

1031
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: told him, you can have two cookies. I mean, she's

1032
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: tied up and still calling out portion control. Seriously, brass

1033
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: balls on this broad. When I was a kid, she

1034
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: would make me take two gingerbread cookies and I would

1035
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: sneak away to shove them in the trash because I

1036
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: hated gingerbread. Her information isn't captured in the reports because quote,

1037
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: she didn't have time to deal with that nonsense. Oh,

1038
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: she stayed sexy and min as fuck. She died of

1039
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: natural causes in her old age. So that is an

1040
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: email from Amy about a couple of connections to the

1041
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: story that I just.

1042
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: I mean to have two for one like lunatic, like

1043
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: this man is insane.

1044
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Amy's a fraud investigator. So I'm like, can

1045
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: you be my best friend please? That's the coolest that

1046
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: is ever? Very cool. How does a figure it out?

1047
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: How did you know? Right? Oh, that's cool. That's like

1048
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: a yes. No updates, but I thought that would be interesting.

1049
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 1: I love that, all right. So let's get into Karen's story.

1050
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: This is the story about Joseph Kallinger.

1051
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: Well, my guy, I mean, it's just as fucked up

1052
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: in so many ways. My guy is Joseph Kallenger, the shoemaker.

1053
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: You know that guy.

1054
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: All right, let me tell you a little bit about him.

1055
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: He was born on December eleventh, nineteen thirty five, and

1056
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 2: he was almost immediately given up for adoption. The father

1057
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 2: abandoned the family. Mother couldn't handle raising a child by herself,

1058
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 2: so he gets put into a foster family, and unluckily

1059
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: for him, he was placed in the worst foster family possible.

1060
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: It was two Austrian immigrants, Stephen and Anna Kallinger, and

1061
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: they were both insanely abusive.

1062
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: So they did stuff like.

1063
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: Lock him in a closet, forcing him to kneel on rocks.

1064
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 2: They starved him, they whipped him. He was beaten so

1065
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 2: severely that when he was six years old, he got

1066
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 2: a hernia and he had to go get hernia surgery.

1067
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, which is insanity for a child. And

1068
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 2: while he was in the hospital or when he came

1069
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: home to recover from this surgery, they told him no,

1070
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: it must have been before he left they told him

1071
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 2: the doctor was going to cut off his little bird,

1072
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 2: and that basically when he came home he wasn't going

1073
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 2: to have a penis so fun times in the calendar household,

1074
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 2: So he was not on the weekends, he wasn't allowed

1075
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 2: to play, he wasn't allowed to have friends, he was

1076
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 2: allowed to go outside. He had to work in the

1077
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: family shoe shop. This was in Philly where the shoe

1078
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: shop was. So when he was eight years old, his

1079
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: mother he told his mother that he wanted to go

1080
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: to the zoo on a class trip. So his mother

1081
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 2: hit him in the head with a hammer.

1082
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah.

1083
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: On the way home that same year, on the way

1084
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 2: out from school, he is held at knife point by

1085
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: three boys in the neighborhood and molested.

1086
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: But he is so afraid that he's going to get.

1087
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: In trouble for not coming straight home after school that

1088
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: he doesn't tell anybody. No, of course, not right, baby,

1089
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: But that's can you imagine, like you're that's how horrible

1090
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: this family is.

1091
00:57:58,560 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: Is that a horrible thing happens?

1092
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, no way, worst thing I'll happen

1093
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 2: if I tell my fucking parents.

1094
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: So super dark from Jump for this guy.

1095
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 2: When he was ten years old, he stole money from

1096
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: his parents to bribe neighborhood kids to go to the

1097
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 2: movies with him.

1098
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: I know, I keep saying, ah, but I have a

1099
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: feeling he ends up killing a lot of people.

1100
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so I don't want to We're painting

1101
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 2: a picture. There's a context behind it, Okay, there's reasons

1102
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: for things.

1103
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes.

1104
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: When his parents caught him stealing money, they burned his

1105
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: fingers on the stoves so they would burn the demon

1106
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 2: thief out of the fingers that steal.

1107
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: Okay.

1108
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: So as a teenager he starts rebelling, of course, because

1109
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: he's living in hell. He decides at one point that

1110
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: he wants to be a playwright, and somehow he convinces

1111
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: his parents that he should be get to be in

1112
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: a play and get to go do theater.

1113
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: So they actually let him do it.

1114
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: And while he's in a play, he ends up meeting

1115
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: a woman, a girl named Hilda Bergman, and he's fifteen

1116
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 2: years old, but he immediately they start dating. They immediately

1117
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: start having a sexual relationship, and two years later they

1118
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 2: get married.

1119
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: Woa.

1120
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 2: So I think he was seventeen and she was a

1121
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: little bit younger than him, so they end up having

1122
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 2: two children. Jesus Yeah, But Hilda leaves him because, of course,

1123
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 2: he viciously beat her, so she leaves him. In nineteen

1124
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 2: fifty six, he has a breakdown. He ends up going

1125
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: to a mental hospital. When he gets out in nineteen

1126
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: fifty eight, he almost immediately gets remarried to his second wife, Elizabeth.

1127
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: This was back before.

1128
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 2: Tinder, so he must have been insanely charming.

1129
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: With Elizabeth. He has five more.

1130
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 2: Children, whoa dude, and he has taken over the family

1131
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 2: shoe shop, so the shoe shop is downstairs. They live

1132
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 2: in a tiny and waallet apart like apartment space above

1133
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: the shoe shop. And he abuses his wife of course

1134
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 2: and his kids in a lot of the same ways

1135
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: that his foster parents abused him.

1136
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,479
Speaker 1: Can we break this cycle? I know? And not this guy.

1137
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: So over the next ten years, his mental state starts

1138
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: to deteriorate as well. So in nineteen fifty eight, he

1139
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 2: apparently he owned up building somewhere else intown.

1140
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: He sets the basement of this.

1141
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: Building on fire and then collects fifteen thousand dollars in

1142
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: insurance payout, And he ends up doing that four more

1143
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: times over five.

1144
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: Years to this same building.

1145
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: So first he first he lights the basement on fire,

1146
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: then he goes ahead and lights the second floor on fire,

1147
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 2: gets a payout for that.

1148
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: I think he got eleven thousand dollars for that.

1149
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: Then by the time he likes the first floor on fire,

1150
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: the insurance company's.

1151
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know, it seems.

1152
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 2: In nineteen fifty nine, he's committed to a hospital after

1153
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: attempting suicide. In nineteen seventy two, he is arrested on

1154
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 2: child abuse charges because his daughter, who was a teenager,

1155
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 2: tried to run away from home and when he caught her,

1156
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 2: he ended up branding her with an iron Oh and

1157
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 2: so that daughter, his oldest son, Joe Junior, and their

1158
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 2: other I think it's their other daughter. They go to

1159
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 2: the cops and they're like, our father is a fucking

1160
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 2: monster and he needs to be arrested. And they see

1161
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: the wounds, they take the kids, they listen to their testimony,

1162
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: and then they take the kids to the hospital and

1163
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 2: they see that all the kids have like a ton

1164
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: of crazy, you know, proof that they've been abused, tons

1165
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 2: of scars and broken bones that have like reset badly.

1166
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 2: It's intense, so he is found confetent to stand trial

1167
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 2: even though he was tested and he only had an IQ.

1168
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,479
Speaker 1: Of eighty two. Holy shit.

1169
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 2: And he was also diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. So

1170
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 2: he was sentenced to eleven months in prison for the

1171
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 2: child abuse, but he'd already been held for seven months,

1172
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 2: so he was.

1173
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: Given four months probation and released.

1174
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 2: So in nineteen seventy three, those three children suddenly recant

1175
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 2: the abuse charges and they come in and they sign

1176
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 2: affidated to the police to say, we lied. It was

1177
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 2: never true, that he never abused us. So from then on,

1178
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 2: his record is cleared, the charges are dropped, and they that.

1179
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: Is as if it never happened. Oh my god. Yeah.

1180
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 2: So in nineteen seventy four, he begins hearing the voice of.

1181
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: God speaking to him through what he.

1182
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: Described as a disembodied head named Charlie.

1183
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: Sure right, we've all had that. I mean, I see

1184
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: it right now. What's he saying? Hey, you're God. Hell,

1185
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: You're God. Yeah, You're God, You're God. What are you

1186
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: going to do with that power? Take a nap?

1187
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: Oh really? Because we need a ton of help out here.

1188
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 2: So well, what Charlie, the disembodied head that was the

1189
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 2: voice of God was telling Joseph Kalinger was that he

1190
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: needed to start killing young boys and severing their.

1191
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: Penises from their bodies.

1192
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 2: Oh, which you know in the Book of John chapter seven,

1193
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 2: verse fifteen. Oh no, or is it Ecclesiastes that says, uh.

1194
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1195
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 2: So he enlists his thirteen year old son Michael to

1196
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:46,479
Speaker 2: help him out.

1197
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: Oh.

1198
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 2: He explains what the head was telling him and what

1199
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 2: the plan is, and Michael's like, sounds great.

1200
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm in let's get this done. Oh my god. Can

1201
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: you imagine like if you saw a fucking ahead named

1202
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: Charlie and you're like, that's fine, Like I'm a little crazy,

1203
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: and then he was like kill kids and take their penises,

1204
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: and you're like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

1205
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: I'm not that Like he didn't have to go along

1206
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: with that part.

1207
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god.

1208
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's horrifying. It is.

1209
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: Well, it turns out, I mean, I'll give it away

1210
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 2: a little bit, but it turns out that there is

1211
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 2: a there's a chemical component to the leather treatment that

1212
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 2: they used in the shoes, because he was your shoemaker,

1213
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 2: so he's stone in that shoe shop, just fucking sucking

1214
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 2: up those chemicals.

1215
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: It's like eating away his brain. I was totally thinking that,

1216
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: but then I was like, no, that's the mad Hatters

1217
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: because the glue of the Hatters used back then.

1218
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 2: But same death, same fucking this, same div It's all

1219
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 2: about ventilation. Everybody, come on, get a fan, by a

1220
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 2: fucking fan, open the door when it's nice out, light

1221
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 2: a fire.

1222
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: That's what you like to do, Joe.

1223
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So it starts to get bad everybody. Their

1224
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: first victim, they find a ten year old boy who's

1225
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 2: playing by himself at a playground.

1226
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: Because it's nineteen seventy four.

1227
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 2: Can you imagine how bone chilling it would be today

1228
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 2: if you drove by a playground and there was just

1229
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: like a little boy standing there alone, you would call

1230
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: every authority that you could think of atf get down here.

1231
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

1232
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 2: So this boy was named jose Colazzo, and Joseph and

1233
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 2: Michael lure him into an abandoned factory and there they

1234
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: torture him. They sever his genitals and then strangle him

1235
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 2: to diath.

1236
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: This is pretty uh.

1237
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 2: So his next victim is his own son, Joe Junior.

1238
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: The one he conned in the Yes, so Joe Junior.

1239
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 2: After they reported him. It turns out Joe Junior gets

1240
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 2: sent to basically get sent to Juvie, and one of

1241
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 2: the reasons is because they found out that he was

1242
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 2: gay and he was like having a fair an older man,

1243
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: so they were like, oh, yeah, you you're a deviant.

1244
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 2: You're the one that has to go to you know,

1245
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 2: kids jail or whatever. When he gets out and comes home,

1246
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 2: Joe Senior has taken out a life insurance policy on him. Yeah,

1247
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: always a good sign. So, uh, they Michael and Joe

1248
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 2: get somehow get him to go to a demolition site

1249
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 2: with them and they end up drowning him there in

1250
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 2: a puddle of water and then they just leave the body.

1251
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: Dude.

1252
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Joe Senior tries to collect the insurance

1253
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 2: on his son and the insurance company is like, no

1254
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 2: fucking way, and uh.

1255
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: Joe Senior's like, I didn't do it.

1256
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 2: I mean, Michael's here, he's fine, and I also took

1257
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: out an insurance policy on him, and.

1258
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: They're like it's an odd rationale.

1259
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 2: Two months later, Michael is found wandering the streets in

1260
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 2: a daze with multiple head wounds. He's taken to the

1261
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 2: hospital and he tells police he can't remember what happened,

1262
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: so he basically tries to do the exact same thing

1263
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 2: to his accomplice, who has been with him the whole time.

1264
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 2: All right, So November twenty second calendar and his son

1265
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 2: begin to break into homes. They basically start driving around

1266
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 2: the area and they start breaking into homes and this

1267
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 2: is apparently. He tells Michael, this is this is part

1268
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 2: of this plan.

1269
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: This is what God does.

1270
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,439
Speaker 2: So they go to Lindenwolden, New Jersey, and they break

1271
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: into the home of a woman named Joan Cardi. They

1272
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 2: tired of the bed and Joe sexually assaults her. And

1273
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 2: then two weeks later they break into the house in

1274
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:58,479
Speaker 2: Susquehanna Township and they break into a house and five

1275
01:07:58,520 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 2: women are having.

1276
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: A bridge game. It is so jarring. When I read that,

1277
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: I was just like, no, not them, No, before you

1278
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: tell me what awful thing happened to them? What if

1279
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: they've been playing trouble? What the fuck? Yeah? Ye old ladies,

1280
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: yah see yes, say okay, now tell me that they

1281
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: all got killed. I wanted to say that before I

1282
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: knew they were gonna they did it.

1283
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 2: They didn't whoo, but they did get tied up, held hostage.

1284
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: They go around the house.

1285
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:35,879
Speaker 2: They end up collecting twenty thousand dollars of worth of money, jewelry,

1286
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 2: whatever from these ladies. And they also cut one of

1287
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 2: the women's breasts before they leave. Yeah, so then about

1288
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 2: a week later, they go to Homeland, Maryland, Homeland, and

1289
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 2: they break into the home of Pamela Jaski and they.

1290
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: Hold her captive. They forced her to perform oral sex

1291
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: on Joseph. And then.

1292
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: A couple days later they go and they break into

1293
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 2: the home of Mary Rudolph and they do the exact

1294
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 2: same thing to her. Okay, now, two days later, this

1295
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:20,440
Speaker 2: is January eighth, nineteen seventy five, they go They're in Leonia,

1296
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 2: New Jersey. So what they did was they took the

1297
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 2: bus into New York City. Then they went to Fort Lee,

1298
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 2: I think they said. Then they went into They just

1299
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 2: started going to different towns and they would walk around.

1300
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 2: Joseph Kalander and his thirteen year old son, they would

1301
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 2: walk around these little towns holding hands and cuddling, is

1302
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 2: what witnesses said. They were super creepy, weird behavior, and

1303
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 2: they would walk up to people's doors knock on the

1304
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 2: doors like they were casing the houses. They would knock

1305
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 2: on a door and they would say, is this where

1306
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 2: the Joneses live?

1307
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: And then if they.

1308
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 2: Thought a woman was home by herself, they would force

1309
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 2: their way in.

1310
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 3: Well you see a.

1311
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: Kid, and that would totally throw me off. Yeah, it's

1312
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: the perfect Yeah.

1313
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 2: But at some places, Joe would say that they were salesmen,

1314
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 2: which is fucking hilarious, or it's like I'm a salesman

1315
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 2: and this is a junior salesman.

1316
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: We're here to sell you candy. Okay.

1317
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 2: So they finally end up at the home of Edwena

1318
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 2: Romaine and her daughter Didi is there with Dedie's three

1319
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: year old son, Robert, and her ninety year old grandmother

1320
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: is Edwena's mother, so there, so what's happened is there

1321
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 2: Edwena's husband, Dedie's father had just had a heart attack

1322
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 2: and he's in the hospital. So basically her two younger

1323
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 2: sisters still live in the house with Edwena the mom.

1324
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 2: Soddie's there to help take care of the family, and

1325
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 2: she sees Robert and Michael Calender walking down the street

1326
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,440
Speaker 2: holding hands being weird, and she's like, come r and

1327
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 2: then she just goes to doing laundry, and then they

1328
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 2: knock on the front door and they say, is anyone

1329
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 2: else here? And as she goes to answer, he pulls

1330
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,799
Speaker 2: Joseph pulls out a gun and.

1331
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: They force their way in.

1332
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 2: They make her stripped down, and they make her three

1333
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 2: year old sons stripped down and they tie them to

1334
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 2: a bed.

1335
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,560
Speaker 1: Now, while all this has happened, Dedie's.

1336
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 2: Middle sister, Randy, comes home and then he does the

1337
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 2: same thing to her and puts her in a different room.

1338
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 2: And then their mother and their other sister, Retta, and

1339
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 2: their sister's boyfriend, Redda's boyfriend Frank, they all come home.

1340
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 1: Jesus, he's like one thing. Just the doorbell keeps on ringing.

1341
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 2: They were at the hospital visiting the dat, so they

1342
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 2: come home and the same thing happened. They get tied up,

1343
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 2: stripped and tied up, and they get tape wrapped around

1344
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 2: their head, and then Joseph and Michael start searching the

1345
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 2: house for money. Then there's another knock on the door

1346
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 2: and it's their neighbor, twenty one year old Maria Fashing,

1347
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 2: and she's come over because she's the nurse that's hired

1348
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 2: to take care of.

1349
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: The nine year old grandmother.

1350
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: So she comes in, Joseph forces her, strips her, and

1351
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 2: forces her and Frank the boyfriend to go down into

1352
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 2: the basement. So once they're down there, basically Joseph ties

1353
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 2: them up and then tells Maria that she has to

1354
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 2: bite Frank's penis off, and she's like, good, fuck yourself.

1355
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?

1356
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 3: Oh my god?

1357
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:42,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she basically fights him, says fuck off.

1358
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: And he slits her throat.

1359
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 3: Yes, my god.

1360
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: So while they're hearing, they're hearing the family.

1361
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,799
Speaker 2: Upstairs is all tied up, but they're hearing, of course,

1362
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 2: horrible shit down in the basement. So the mother edwena

1363
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 2: like she basically like moves her legs around get the

1364
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:01,799
Speaker 2: things offer or I don't.

1365
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: Think she did. Actually she was still tied up.

1366
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 2: She fucking goes out the front door, crawls out the

1367
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 2: front door and starts screaming.

1368
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 1: And yeah, and that.

1369
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 2: She makes it to the neighbor's house and she's screaming,

1370
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 2: going they're killing my family, you know, going crazy, and

1371
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 2: the neighbor's like, what are you talking about?

1372
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 1: So the neighbor just and then she's like, cut this

1373
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: off my legs.

1374
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 2: This whole weird thing that the lady just like leaves

1375
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 2: her there and goes and calls the police because she's like,

1376
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 2: whatever's happening, the police need to be involved with this

1377
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 2: because it's insane.

1378
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: Maybe she's making it up. I'm going to leave around here.

1379
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows what she's doing this for? Attention?

1380
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: Her arms are tied behind her back, all right.

1381
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 2: So the cops come and they find everybody, you know,

1382
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 2: everybody all tied.

1383
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: Up and everything.

1384
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 2: They go all around the house and then they realize

1385
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 2: that the people who have done this are no longer there,

1386
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:58,919
Speaker 2: that they've run. So when Edwena got outside and started screaming,

1387
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 2: Michael heard her her and ran down to the basement

1388
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 2: and said, somebody there's people are gonna be coming.

1389
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 1: We have to go.

1390
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 2: So they run out the back door and they ran

1391
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 2: to the bus and as they run to the bus stop,

1392
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 2: Joseph takes off his bloody shirt and throws it in

1393
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 2: the garbage, and then they throw their weapons.

1394
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: Into the bushes.

1395
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 2: Then they get on a city bus, sit down, topless

1396
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 2: and sweaty and weird.

1397
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: And they're still blood on you. Yeah, there's definitely blood

1398
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 1: and they're just like, all right, now, just killed three

1399
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: people and.

1400
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 2: Just an hour and a half and we'll be home.

1401
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 2: I'll make a new plan. So of course it's a

1402
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 2: tiny town. So everybody in town's like, yes, I saw them, Yes,

1403
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,719
Speaker 2: I saw them everybody. There's a woman who watched them

1404
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,719
Speaker 2: as they stood near the garbage can take off the shirt.

1405
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 1: Watch Joseph take his shirt off and throw it away.

1406
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,839
Speaker 2: So she was like, the shirt's right here, Like everybody

1407
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 2: in town's like, the gun's over here.

1408
01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1409
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 2: So and they all I saw them together being super

1410
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 2: fucking weird walking.

1411
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,600
Speaker 1: Up and down the street all day. So there was

1412
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: tons of witnesses.

1413
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 2: And basically what happened is there was a laundry tag

1414
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 2: in that shirt, which is hilarious. There's a laundry tag

1415
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 2: with the first three letters of his last name.

1416
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 1: My god.

1417
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 2: So when the cops find that, they basically they see

1418
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 2: the make they see the laundry tag, they put it together.

1419
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 2: They end up going to the dry cleaners, and the

1420
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 2: dry cleaners are like, oh, yeah, that's Joe Kallinger's shirt.

1421
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 1: He's got the shoe shop down the street. Yeah.

1422
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:40,480
Speaker 2: So Joseph and Michael are arrested and once they're in custody,

1423
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,679
Speaker 2: Joe now This is another one where this I'm pretty

1424
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 2: sure this guy was schizophrenic, and I'm sure he was

1425
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 2: insanely fucked up. Once he's in police custody, he just

1426
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 2: turns it up to twenty five. So he starts telling

1427
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 2: the police that he's been alive for a thousand years

1428
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 2: and mostly as a fly.

1429
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: And sure, dude, like you pick something else that sounds crazy.

1430
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 2: It's also sounds sad, like I'm a beautiful butterfly, You're not. Actually,

1431
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 2: do we have a picture, Joe Callinger. I think there's oh.

1432
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:20,480
Speaker 1: I want to see but fly I'm a beautiful butterfly.

1433
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 3: That's not what I was picturing.

1434
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: I was picturing like almost like Popeye. I don't know why,

1435
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: but it's Bluetoh. Instead, it's totally Blue's Blueto.

1436
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 2: It really is ow Joe Ew Can you go to

1437
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 2: the next picture because it's I think both of their Yeah,

1438
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 2: and that's his little song like thirteen years old. That's

1439
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,719
Speaker 2: Joe without a beard. I think the beard is better

1440
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 2: for him for the face.

1441
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also just want to look at that kid.

1442
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:53,799
Speaker 3: I had that haircut for sure.

1443
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, mop top, yes, yeah, it's very eighties. If he

1444
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: had hoop earrings. That's me and college. He looks so sinister.

1445
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 3: He looks like a little brat.

1446
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: You know.

1447
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 2: Well he like this, I mean, but the sad thing

1448
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 2: is too, It's like it's all these kids who are

1449
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 2: just getting like severely abused.

1450
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: Every single day.

1451
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 2: So then you know, the monster Dad is like, oh,

1452
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 2: you're my special best friend. And so even though it's

1453
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 2: to go torture and rape and kill people, he's just like, well,

1454
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 2: I got hicked, like.

1455
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: It's something good. And it's like, oh, I know what

1456
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: happens when you say no to Dad. Yeah, that's not

1457
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 1: fucking fun. You get straight up killed.

1458
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so so uh. He also told the cops he

1459
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 2: was on a mission to help people whose brains were

1460
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 2: malfunctioning because they were wearing badly designed shoes.

1461
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 1: Look at these are fucking.

1462
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 2: He should not be wearing flats with this dress at all. Well,

1463
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 2: fuck it, I definitely need Joe Klener's help.

1464
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: Okay. So he's found guilty.

1465
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 2: He's sentenced for the lesser crimes of burglary, robbery, kidnapping.

1466
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 2: He's sentenced to thirty to eighty years, and the judge

1467
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 2: who sentenced him for those crimes called him an evil

1468
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 2: man who's utterly vile and depraved.

1469
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: But then then.

1470
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 2: He is tried for Jose Clauso's murder the Little Boy,

1471
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 2: and on October fourteenth, nineteen seventy six, he's found guilty

1472
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:34,799
Speaker 2: and sentenced to life in prison.

1473
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 1: Yay, so it gets it's pretty interesting.

1474
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 2: When he goes to prison, he attempts to suicide one

1475
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 2: time by trying to light himself on fire.

1476
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:52,799
Speaker 1: Not the best waiting, No, I would.

1477
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 3: Say, I'm not number one in my book.

1478
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 2: No, But as he lit himself on fire and his

1479
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 2: also his cell fire, he also cracked an egg on

1480
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 2: his head to see if he could make it cook.

1481
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: What the fuck, beautiful butterfly, what are you doing? Fuck?

1482
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? And did it?

1483
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he made it. It was Denny's Home Run special.

1484
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 2: Some hash Browns were in there.

1485
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: And now I'm like, he's a psycho. That's the fucking

1486
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: the butterfly thing. Fine, fair, that's just words. Yeah, but

1487
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: now you're getting into cooking.

1488
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 2: Now you're getting into fucking culinary self culinary ship.

1489
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: Get out of here, chopped.

1490
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 5: Uh.

1491
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 2: And he also was fighting the jail guards who are

1492
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 2: trying to save his life as he burned alive.

1493
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,839
Speaker 1: He's once they got into his cell. He's like, Lammy,

1494
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:52,919
Speaker 1: I like eggs.

1495
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 2: Some people theorized that that was an attempt to get transferred,

1496
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 2: because that was he was in the state prison to

1497
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 2: get transferred into Pennsylvania's Fairview Hospital for the mentally insane.

1498
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 3: Egg was a nice touch, that's what he was doing.

1499
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, he got he got there.

1500
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 2: He's like, eggs are fucking crazy, and you know it,

1501
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 2: this is insane.

1502
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 1: Transfer me. Yeah, we eat we eat the embryos of

1503
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 1: another animal.

1504
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 3: What And like, yeah, you're right, eggs are never mind.

1505
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: He's just a really irritating vegan. It turns out they

1506
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: have feelings. Get out of here, Joe.

1507
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 2: So when he's in Fairview, he slashes the throat of

1508
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 2: a fellow inmate, but that inmate survives, so then they

1509
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 2: transfer him back to state prison. He chilled out for

1510
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 2: a little while while he was there, but yeah, he

1511
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 2: couldn't he couldn't handle it. Ten years later, in a

1512
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 2: TV interview, oh sorry, wait, he's transferred back to state

1513
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 2: prison and on March Oh no, sorry, that's the death part.

1514
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: So I'll say this. Ten years after he's.

1515
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 2: In prison, he's in a TV interview and these are

1516
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 2: on YouTube. I didn't watch it because he's so fucking creepy.

1517
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 2: I could here that that last picture where he's old

1518
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,879
Speaker 2: in jail. Oh that's sorry, that's Michael.

1519
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,799
Speaker 1: That's Michael when he got arrested.

1520
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 2: Oh no, but then the next one is old Joe.

1521
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:16,719
Speaker 1: If you could go to the next one.

1522
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 2: Knock knock, knock, Hello, my god, I'm here to sell you.

1523
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 1: There's knife so subtle, subtle, You're good? Now? Why am

1524
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 1: I getting pinched? Stay with me? I always doing that.

1525
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 2: If I have something like I'm excited about to tell George,

1526
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, and now it.

1527
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 1: Was like across the room, you'll just see this at me,

1528
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: like she's got something to tell me. I can tell

1529
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: because she'd come over here. You're sorry those personal side

1530
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 1: personal podcasting, it's an insight Joe.

1531
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 2: In this TV interview, he told the interviewer that he

1532
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 2: wanted to slow every single person on Earth, after which

1533
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 2: he hoped to commit suicide and then become God.

1534
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: What about a butterfly? Again? Is that what God does? Joan?

1535
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 1: Kill everybody on Earth? Yep.

1536
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 2: So he gets transferred back to state prison, and on

1537
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,759
Speaker 2: March twenty sixth, nineteen ninety six, he had a seizure

1538
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 2: and choked to death on his own.

1539
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: Vomit in the prison in Yeah, that is the proper

1540
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 1: way for that guy to die.

1541
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 2: Well, here's what I like about that if you think

1542
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 2: about it a little bit. He's in the prison infirmary,

1543
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 2: which means there are doctors and nurses near at least

1544
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 2: within ten feet of him, and he starts choking on

1545
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 2: his vomit while he has a seizure, and they're.

1546
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 1: Like, let's just see how this plays it. We could

1547
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: tip him on to his side, but he's a huge

1548
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 1: piece of shit.

1549
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's what's kind of interesting as a as an

1550
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 2: epilogue to this, Michael was placed on probation until his

1551
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 2: twenty fifth birthday because once he was in the system,

1552
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 2: they realized that this monster father was just using and

1553
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 2: manipulating him in every possible way. So they actually changed

1554
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 2: his name and put him into the into foster care,

1555
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 2: and his foster family that he went to protected him

1556
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 2: when they tried to call him for one.

1557
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 1: Of these like there was a bunch of.

1558
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 2: The what do you call them after the like the

1559
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 2: when they try to like a parole thing or in

1560
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 2: a when he's fighting at an appeal. Thank you very much,

1561
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 2: but please don't heckle. On the appeal, they call the

1562
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 2: Foster family and they were like, he's not.

1563
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: Going to talk to you. He's not going to talk

1564
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:44,759
Speaker 1: to anybody.

1565
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 2: Don't call us anything like, just don't he's he's not

1566
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 2: going back there. And the defense had, oh, that was

1567
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 2: the that was my big I did the ending in

1568
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:02,640
Speaker 2: the middle, would say it again at the end. The

1569
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 2: substance was called too lean, too lean, and they were

1570
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 2: like they pretty much think that he was.

1571
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 1: Just insane, Like he's insane.

1572
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 3: He's fine.

1573
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: Now, Oh no, not Michael.

1574
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's the that's the joseph pH that I said earlier.

1575
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 2: We're just stumbling to an ending. Now you can say

1576
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 2: it again. Yeah, edit that out, say a chain time. Okay,

1577
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 2: the end, thank you.

1578
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 1: I have to tell you now, I have to tell

1579
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: you a secret.

1580
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 2: It's this big secret that I'm keeping from you, which

1581
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 2: is that he was mostly a Philly murderer. So I

1582
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 2: apologize for that. But he did have the one in Homeland,

1583
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 2: which is close by here. But once I had it

1584
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 2: all finished and then I was like, wait, fuck.

1585
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,560
Speaker 1: A Philly And that's why I started.

1586
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 2: Looking up these other fucking crazy stories. One of which

1587
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 2: can I just tell it really quick? It's that one. Now.

1588
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 2: I was asking her it was that one, and I

1589
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 2: think maybe you guys have heard of this, but I

1590
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 2: found it on this website and it's basically.

1591
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 1: That their rowhouse.

1592
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety nine, there was the Revitalization project where

1593
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 2: they were knocking down all the row houses, and when

1594
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 2: that happened, they started finding bodies in the basements of those.

1595
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: Row houses, and the police were assuming that.

1596
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 2: It was all from the drug wars, and it was

1597
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 2: you know, they assumed it was all that. But then

1598
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 2: they start identifying those bodies, and the one thing they

1599
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 2: all have in common is they are all sex offenders, pedophiles,

1600
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 2: child molesters, all that had served at least for at

1601
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 2: least three different crimes had served time in jail, and

1602
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 2: there were fifty one in all.

1603
01:25:56,120 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: And they they end up.

1604
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 2: Like in two thousand and four, pulling over a guy.

1605
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:11,719
Speaker 2: Oh so when they do the you know, the chemical

1606
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 2: analysis or whatever, they figure out that they had they

1607
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 2: all had sodium pentathol in their system. So the police

1608
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 2: put together that they think that the killer ambushed them,

1609
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 2: shot them with sodium pentathol, which is like a xanax yes, exactly,

1610
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 2: but it's also it's a local anesthetic, and then it's

1611
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 2: also a barbituate and then it took them into those basements,

1612
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 2: tortured them, killed them, and then and then cut them

1613
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 2: all up. And uh so they pull in two thousand

1614
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 2: and four, they pull a guy over that's that is

1615
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 2: a suspicious vehicle, and they find they has two suitcases

1616
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 2: filled with surgery equipment, power drills, sodium pentathol, knives, murder kit,

1617
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 2: a murder kit of the highest order, and so they

1618
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 2: arrest him, but then they can't they can't keep him

1619
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 2: on anything because there's no proof that he's connected to anything.

1620
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 1: And he disappears, and then he.

1621
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 2: Goes down to Florida, and then sex offenders in Florida

1622
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 2: start disappearing.

1623
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 1: So I'm like, this is the fucking greatest story I've

1624
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:25,719
Speaker 1: ever heard of my life. This is amazing.

1625
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 2: But I can only find it on this one website, right,

1626
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 2: twistedminds dot com, which is cool, there's a lot of

1627
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 2: good shit on there, but this, it was just this

1628
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 2: one thing and I was and the way it's set

1629
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 2: up is the guy that wrote it said, I was

1630
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 2: told this by a freelance crime reporter huh is that

1631
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 2: a thing? And then it said his name, which is

1632
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 2: like joaqum kale something, and that person doesn't exist. So ultimately,

1633
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 2: I think that may have been a creepypasta of some

1634
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 2: kind because I can't although they were finding bodies when

1635
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 2: they knock down those row houses, there's no proof that

1636
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 2: any of that other stuff ever happened, so I couldn't.

1637
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 1: I had it.

1638
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,640
Speaker 2: I was writing it out by hand, so stoked, and

1639
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 2: then I was like, well, this could probably be a lie,

1640
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 2: Like there's no way to prove it. Yeah, that's not

1641
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:20,679
Speaker 2: true unless someone in this audience wants to start.

1642
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we're back, Karen. Do you have any updates?

1643
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 2: There are no updates on this case, so we can

1644
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 2: just go straight into our two hometowns from the live show.

1645
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. The first one is about the West Virginia co

1646
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 1: ed murders and the second is about Michael Maylee. Do

1647
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: we have time for Oh?

1648
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Oh should we do it?

1649
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: It's now time for one of you to tell us

1650
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 1: your hometown. Ware waited her.

1651
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 3: Wait, Karen, are we going to do this one?

1652
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 5: Oh?

1653
01:28:56,160 --> 01:29:00,719
Speaker 1: Sorry? Hold on? Wait? Or should we pick someone both?

1654
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: Maybe both? Maybe both? Let's start with this solution because

1655
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 1: Karen and I got backstage. There was two envelopes and

1656
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 1: we got invited to a wedding. You got someone's wedding,

1657
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 1: and she included I can hear her freaking out anything.

1658
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 1: She included her hometown, and I was like, oh, fuck,

1659
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 1: let's do this one.

1660
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 3: So, Grace Douglas, are you here?

1661
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: There she is and she's accessible. I was going to

1662
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 1: be like, if you're up there, fuck, Vince is going

1663
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: to walk you up. Here's the thing.

1664
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:32,639
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going to that wedding.

1665
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, this is a this is a

1666
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: what's it called? You know, like, sorry, but here's a gift. Yeah,

1667
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 1: but I'm also I'm not giving a gift. This is it. Oh,

1668
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: this is aw Hi Grace Hill right, Oh we have

1669
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 1: a mic career. Hi, thank you for the overt. Let

1670
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 1: me get you.

1671
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm like for sure, think oh here, you get your

1672
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 2: own microphone.

1673
01:29:55,920 --> 01:30:00,600
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go stand over here all right, seeing get.

1674
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 2: In here, center up, center, up, all right, say your

1675
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 2: name in your grade.

1676
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:08,839
Speaker 1: So I was looking at your thanks for the wedding invitation,

1677
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 1: you're allcome, we'll take beef, and I was reading your

1678
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: murder and I'm like, oh, this is good. It's good. Yeah,

1679
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 1: it's Frank Cray. And you didn't know about it for

1680
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: a while, right, I did it? Okay, Well I'm gonna

1681
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 1: let you go. Yeah, okay.

1682
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 6: So my mom was an X ray technician and they

1683
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 6: did school a little differently back there.

1684
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 1: Back then.

1685
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 6: She was at West Virginia University and they really they

1686
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:37,560
Speaker 6: they threw her into practicals right away. And this was

1687
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:41,520
Speaker 6: like nineteen seventy, I believe, and there were two freshman

1688
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 6: girls that had gone missing a few weeks earlier. They

1689
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:49,520
Speaker 6: didn't have like a transportation system at WVU into Morgantown,

1690
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 6: so hitchhiking was common, and the girls had gone in

1691
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 6: to see Oliver I believe, and then they disappeared the musical.

1692
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, he was a specific person.

1693
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 6: And my mom had switched on call shifts with someone

1694
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 6: for that night, and so she was just in the

1695
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 6: on call room and she got Paige to the morg

1696
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 6: and she hadn't ever been.

1697
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 1: To the morg Sin the first time. She was like,

1698
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: this is weird. I don't know what I'm doing.

1699
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 6: She grabbed the portable X ray machine, went down there,

1700
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 6: and there were a bunch of cops and they told

1701
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 6: her that they had found those girls and that they

1702
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 6: needed to The bodies were pretty decomposed, so they wanted

1703
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 6: her to X ray for bullets. So she got in

1704
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 6: there and kind of like pulled back the sheet and

1705
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 6: they had no heads.

1706
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 1: So, I mean, we knew it was going to be bad.

1707
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, No one had warned her, so she was freaking out.

1708
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 6: But she finished her job and then decided she was

1709
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 6: going to quit school, but she didn't.

1710
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: She had a couple of drinks after that.

1711
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 6: She had to finish her on call shift, so she

1712
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 6: was kind of stuff.

1713
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 1: She imagims going back to paperwork. Yeah, yeah, need to do.

1714
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 1: So the story gets.

1715
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 6: Weirder because they'd been looking to figure out what had

1716
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 6: happened to the girls and they got an anonymous letter

1717
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 6: that directed them to the bodies, and that's how they

1718
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 6: actually found them. And so they tried to trace back

1719
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 6: where the letter came from, and it led them to

1720
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 6: a religious cult.

1721
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 1: Here in Maryland who had said that they held seances,

1722
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:29,640
Speaker 1: which then told them who the murderers, will give them

1723
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 1: descriptions of the murderers and told them where the bodies were. Yeah,

1724
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 1: so they had sent them another the police another letter

1725
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 1: to before they had talked to them. They told them

1726
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 1: where to find the heads, but they never found the heads,

1727
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 1: so that's weird. Then they actually the police looked into

1728
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 1: this cult and they cleared them all of any linkage

1729
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 1: to the murder, even though they knew where the bodies were.

1730
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, she's really mad at you. I still

1731
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 1: think they had something doing they never found me killer.

1732
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,879
Speaker 6: Well, then there was a guy who was in jail

1733
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 6: for something else. I think he had raped an underage girl,

1734
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 6: and he confessed to the murders, but it was like

1735
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 6: a jailhouse confession, and a lot of stuff didn't add up,

1736
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,719
Speaker 6: and he gave like a very elaborate story about picking

1737
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 6: them up and then chopping their heads off with his

1738
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 6: brother's machete because people just have machetes.

1739
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 1: But was his brother from the jungle? That a good question.

1740
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 6: And then he later recanted though, but he was still convicted.

1741
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 6: He appealed, was convicted again, and then he died in jail.

1742
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 6: And then since then though, there was like one of

1743
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 6: the original detectives that worked on the case has never

1744
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 6: really given it up, and so they have reopened the

1745
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 6: case now and it's considered an unsolved murder.

1746
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,519
Speaker 1: So wow, did that just stoppen recently?

1747
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:56,559
Speaker 6: It happened a few years ago, yet, Wow, And I

1748
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 6: looked it up because after I started listening to this,

1749
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 6: my mom had told me this just casually one day

1750
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 6: when I was in junior high. She was like, oh, yeah,

1751
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 6: when I was in the hospital, you know, there were

1752
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 6: these headless bodies and so I you know, I was like,

1753
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 6: I wonder whatever happened, because as far as she knew,

1754
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 6: they never found the heads. Although, oh the other thing,

1755
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 6: when she was working, especially the doctors which teas her

1756
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:18,680
Speaker 6: all the time, they'd be like, hey, Joanne, they need

1757
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 6: you in the morgue.

1758
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:20,639
Speaker 3: They found those they found those.

1759
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 1: Heads inappropriate doctors, you know, such dick. Yeah, wow, that's

1760
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 1: is it a called something like the so and so

1761
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 1: murders or the they call it the West Virginia University

1762
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 1: co ed murders? Looking in that fucking shit out?

1763
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 2: Wow?

1764
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Grace.

1765
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:43,679
Speaker 1: That was awesome. Congratulations on your wedding. Thanks for being here.

1766
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to do so much. That was good. That

1767
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 1: was good. I'll take that. Oh yeah, yeah, that was

1768
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 1: not shit girl.

1769
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 3: Oh my god, do you want to should be doing more?

1770
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 1: Do you want to do something? Doing more?

1771
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 3: Really good.

1772
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I looked at you. I looked right at so

1773
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 1: come up here, but do it quickly. I know I

1774
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:09,719
Speaker 1: don't either if you go over like, there's.

1775
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:11,719
Speaker 2: Vince putting his hand up in the back, looks straight back.

1776
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 2: That's the tall guy.

1777
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 1: There's Vince. Back there, there's Vince. He takes care of us. Yeah,

1778
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: it turns out he gets us really good Peruvian food.

1779
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:25,680
Speaker 1: Back Sae. I mean, here's the thing.

1780
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 2: When you're a nurse, like or an X ray technician,

1781
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 2: that part of your job can be just one day

1782
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 2: someone calls, you know, is like go down, go down

1783
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 2: and x ray people that don't have heads.

1784
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 1: They don't even add like that part in that's part

1785
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 1: of it. They don't have to tell you, Hi, what's

1786
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 1: your name? Hi? No, you're not Hi. I'm good a

1787
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 1: for you. What's your name? I'm Amanda? Hi, Amanda, Amanda

1788
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 1: is here? Everybody? Wait? Are you Amanda? Is that you? Yes?

1789
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 1: The one? God one? How did we know?

1790
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 5: Yes?

1791
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 3: He said, I'm thirty.

1792
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm you tweeted at us because it was hilarious. Yes,

1793
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:04,520
Speaker 1: that's right, obnoxiously.

1794
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 2: I know.

1795
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:05,679
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

1796
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 5: I love it for I don't even use okay, so.

1797
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 1: I dated a murderer. Oh yeah, but wait you telling

1798
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 1: me about it. I also said, I'm gonna wait to

1799
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 1: get a blackout drunk Telle after your show. So, so, okay,

1800
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 1: is a real life story. I love it. I know

1801
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 1: you want me to be cool. I'm so sorry. No, no,

1802
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 1: you're fine. Wait, we need to tell something really quickly.

1803
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 2: I told I told Georgia there's this girl who just

1804
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 2: made the funniest joke on Twitter. And then she's like, yeah,

1805
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 2: but we just got this wedding invitation and so and

1806
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 2: she's like, ooh, this is a good one. So then

1807
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 2: we're we do that. Then we're like, we have another minute.

1808
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 2: I don't know it to you.

1809
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:49,560
Speaker 1: I just I'm psychic, it's what I'm saying. Did you

1810
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 1: see that? You're saying? Thank you? Do you see that

1811
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 1: girl right there? That's my best friend. Just graduated college

1812
01:36:56,280 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 1: to be an r M like your mom.

1813
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:04,760
Speaker 5: Single, congratulations, sons, this is gonna be like downer than

1814
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:05,719
Speaker 5: an upper real fest.

1815
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,599
Speaker 1: Her son had cancer, kid cancer's ass. Oh my god,

1816
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 1: don't try to make me try a week. I'm sorry, okay,

1817
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 1: tell you so sorry. Okay, So this is anyone here

1818
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 1: from New York? Oh my god, yeah, girl, Okay, So.

1819
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 5: You're both like to make fun of me over this,

1820
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 5: but we bartended and now back steakhouse.

1821
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 1: Nice fuck, not make We're not making fun about great.

1822
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:35,719
Speaker 5: So I was also like a raging alcohol like around

1823
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:38,640
Speaker 5: eighteen to twenty one, and this guy who owned a

1824
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 5: quiz nos.

1825
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 3: I thought it was cool at the time.

1826
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 1: I want to take them with me.

1827
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 5: So we went to a water from bar, drove myself

1828
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 5: and my cousin home and I was like, this guy's

1829
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:50,679
Speaker 5: slightly creepy.

1830
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and wasn't enjoying it, and she dropped.

1831
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 5: I had him drop me off at a diner because

1832
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't let him know where.

1833
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: I told my stepfather smart. I thought it was real smart,

1834
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:02,599
Speaker 1: it's I called my stepdad.

1835
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 5: I was like, listen, my best friend didn't know this

1836
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 5: guy's first name.

1837
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 1: Is going to draw me off this diner. Will you

1838
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 1: picked me up? He was all about it.

1839
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 5: So fast forward a couple years later, a very good

1840
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 5: friend of mine who is smoking hot, Like you know

1841
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:18,759
Speaker 5: you have those friends that are just like real hot.

1842
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 1: Sure, she's so hot, and she.

1843
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:24,719
Speaker 5: Starts dating him, and we're like, that's not.

1844
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 1: The best idea. The quiz nowskay and can't see she's

1845
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 1: twenty one, and everyone's like, you know what, she's real hot.

1846
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of money. This is a good idea,

1847
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: you know what. He gives me Molly on the weekends,

1848
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 1: and I really like it. And I was like, go

1849
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, yeah, And she she told me. She

1850
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:49,280
Speaker 1: was like, you know, he got real mad at me.

1851
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 1: We ordered pizza.

1852
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 5: He went to pick up the pizza and I looked

1853
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 5: in the drawer for a pen. And when I came home,

1854
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 5: he was like, you opened the drawer, she was like

1855
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:01,599
Speaker 5: talking about and I was like, I tape the drawers.

1856
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,719
Speaker 1: I know that you opened the drawers. She was like, shit,

1857
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:09,719
Speaker 1: well that's kind of an outback steakhouse. Very big news.

1858
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 3: Okay, does she.

1859
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 1: Work at the steakhouse?

1860
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:16,680
Speaker 5: Too short, it short it and way too hot at

1861
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 5: work in the steakhouse.

1862
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that.

1863
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 5: And so she this is about a month after that,

1864
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:26,639
Speaker 5: she says to me, listen, he went to a club

1865
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 5: last night. He came home the next day and he said,

1866
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 5: you know, there's this girl that's missing, but we hung

1867
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:32,639
Speaker 5: out with her all night.

1868
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:33,799
Speaker 1: I want to help the cops.

1869
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 5: And so she was like, yeah, that's great, and the

1870
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 5: cops want to talk to you because you used to

1871
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 5: hang out with him. And I was like, yeah, that's great.

1872
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 5: So we talked to the cops and they're like, listen,

1873
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 5: this girl's missing. Her name's Laura Garza, which was a

1874
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:49,480
Speaker 5: very very big case.

1875
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 1: In New York if anyone's heard of it.

1876
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 5: This really beautiful girl from Texas, Hispanic girl, she was beautiful,

1877
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 5: ends up missing, and so the state troopers come into

1878
01:39:58,560 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 5: our outback steakhouse.

1879
01:39:59,400 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 1: She's a host.

1880
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 5: I'm a server at the time. The state troopers come in.

1881
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 5: They say, listen, your boyfriend knew this girl. Can we

1882
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 5: have your cell phone? And she was like, uh, okay,

1883
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:09,439
Speaker 5: but I thought he was helping you.

1884
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:12,759
Speaker 1: And she's like, you know, we just need your cell phone. Fine,

1885
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:14,800
Speaker 1: that's great. She gives him the cell phone. That night,

1886
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 1: she sleeps at his house. No okay, she sleeps at

1887
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 1: her boyfriend's house.

1888
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:23,639
Speaker 5: We have no cell phone, with no cell phone. And

1889
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:28,800
Speaker 5: in the morning, he's like, my landlord's coming over. My

1890
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:32,240
Speaker 5: little rent is due and my lease is up. I

1891
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 5: gotta clean everything top to bottom. And I spent a

1892
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 5: little bleach on this part of the curtain, so I

1893
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:40,759
Speaker 5: cut a piece out of the closet and I'm gonna put.

1894
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:43,000
Speaker 1: It right here. She helped him.

1895
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 5: Oh, she goes back to work, set out back steakhouse

1896
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 5: and we're all there. State troopers come in and they're like, bitch,

1897
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 5: you gotta.

1898
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:55,839
Speaker 1: Go, and then he's like a cardlis they think.

1899
01:40:55,720 --> 01:41:01,680
Speaker 5: Well, long story short, the dead girl was in the closet.

1900
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:03,879
Speaker 1: While she slept.

1901
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,600
Speaker 5: He was having sex with her, and she saw a

1902
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:11,599
Speaker 5: picture of super hot smoke and hot Lindsey and said

1903
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 5: do you have a girlfriend and he said yes, and

1904
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:17,759
Speaker 5: she got real upset and he strangled her. Oh my god,

1905
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 5: put her in the closet, got spooked, had the girlfriend

1906
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 5: stay over.

1907
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 1: She helped him bleach the mart. I'm not knowing why.

1908
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:29,720
Speaker 5: Not knowing why, one hundred percent not knowing why. And

1909
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 5: it took okay, and I live in a pretty small hamlet.

1910
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 5: It's about an hour north of Manhattan, kind of west.

1911
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 1: But they were looking in the woods, in.

1912
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 5: My woods, my parents would everyone's woods. Could not find it.

1913
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 5: The mom of the girlfriend was like, listen, he came.

1914
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:47,720
Speaker 5: He had dirt in his clothes and he said he

1915
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 5: helped Lily change her tire.

1916
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if that helps you.

1917
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 5: He had dumped the body in Pennsylvania, but it took

1918
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 5: them almost a year to find it, and she, I mean,

1919
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 5: smart thinking, ended up dating his state trooper after nice.

1920
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah she did, she did.

1921
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 2: She did, smoking hot, Lindsay got it, got herself a cock.

1922
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 5: He dumped her, but eventually she's gotten a nice boy

1923
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:10,320
Speaker 5: for now.

1924
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 2: But he what's the name of your podcast, because I'm

1925
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:16,680
Speaker 2: gonna start listening to it.

1926
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 5: I love her, but she legitimately was asleep in the

1927
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:27,320
Speaker 5: apartment that to girls fucking insane and he in court

1928
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:30,559
Speaker 5: she had to testify against him, and he said she

1929
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 5: saw a picture of you and pointed to her and

1930
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:37,320
Speaker 5: said she saw a picture of you and freaked out.

1931
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:39,840
Speaker 5: So I strangled and killed her. And you know how

1932
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 5: like real, I mean, we're kind of in a dumb town.

1933
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 5: People aren't very educated. They were like, there's careful pieces.

1934
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 1: Of her body and christ no subs. Oh my god,

1935
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:55,240
Speaker 1: got shut down.

1936
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:58,639
Speaker 5: But yes, our friend Lindsay did stay sexy. She did

1937
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:01,920
Speaker 5: not get rank God, but she was real upset because

1938
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:04,400
Speaker 5: the family came from Texas and camped out at her

1939
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 5: outback steakhouse every day to ask her for.

1940
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 1: What she knew. Wow, real O sauce. That's that's a

1941
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 1: lot real cool questions.

1942
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:17,360
Speaker 2: It's going magic from Amanda, right, Yes, Karen, Amanda, that

1943
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 2: was the best hometown and.

1944
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 1: We've ever had.

1945
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:26,360
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Yeah, Lauren, she.

1946
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 1: That's the bad nurse mom grants. You're amazing. Yeah, yeah,

1947
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:31,599
Speaker 1: that was great.

1948
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 2: You're hilarious, amazing, Thank you so much, thank you.

1949
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to take this. Okay, we'll see you later.

1950
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 1: Should we just leave? Let her take the exactly? She

1951
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 1: just keeps talking. Anyway.

1952
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:48,960
Speaker 2: The other thing that happened at Outback Steakhouse, and a

1953
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 2: lot of crazy shit happens there.

1954
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, she was fucking good.

1955
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 2: She's like, I can learn something. Here's the thing that's

1956
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 2: really irritating. Like, when I started stand up comedy in

1957
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety, not that many people did it, and very

1958
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 2: few people were funny, and not that many people were

1959
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:07,320
Speaker 2: good at it. And now everybody's hilarious and everyone's good

1960
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:08,439
Speaker 2: at performing.

1961
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 1: And it's like the most fun thing in the world.

1962
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:13,240
Speaker 2: But it took me forever to get like to Amanda's level,

1963
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:14,639
Speaker 2: and it really pisses me off.

1964
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 1: It really pisses me of. I am one hundred not

1965
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:23,200
Speaker 1: there yet, not even there's we're gonna do. You'll get there,

1966
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 1: You'll get you know what you have to do. You

1967
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 1: have to bartend it out back steakhouse.

1968
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, practicing.

1969
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:30,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take her class.

1970
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 2: Okay, we're back Georgia. Do you want to give some

1971
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:38,600
Speaker 2: updates on these hometowns.

1972
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:42,120
Speaker 1: Well, there's no updates for the West Virginia co ed murders. Sadly,

1973
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:46,439
Speaker 1: that case remains unsolved. However, Michael Maylee was sentenced to

1974
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:48,280
Speaker 1: twenty three years in prison.

1975
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:52,599
Speaker 2: And that wraps it up. So this episode was originally

1976
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:55,519
Speaker 2: titled Live at Ramshead Live. Oh wait a second, here's

1977
01:44:55,560 --> 01:45:00,400
Speaker 2: the thing. It's called Ramshead Live, the actual place, That's

1978
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 2: what it is. So we're just making the joke of

1979
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 2: Live at ram said live.

1980
01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:07,040
Speaker 1: I love it. I did not get that. I was like,

1981
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 1: I love it.

1982
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 2: I know, I just realized that. But if we were

1983
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:12,960
Speaker 2: naming it today.

1984
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to change it, but we could name

1985
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 1: it no kouth on a plane about me. I have

1986
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:20,640
Speaker 1: gotten better about being on planes and not looking like

1987
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:26,080
Speaker 1: a total fucking you know Victorian child who lives on

1988
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 1: the street but not much.

1989
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:31,360
Speaker 2: But I mean why Also, this is such an amazing

1990
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 2: line Georgia.

1991
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:37,599
Speaker 1: Georgia's why did I say that? It's the troubled theme

1992
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:43,519
Speaker 1: song and in the key of diarrhea, it's just, oh,

1993
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 1: that's so blue. I never say that kind of thing.

1994
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 1: It's such a love was constant.

1995
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 2: It's such a live show line where we're just out there.

1996
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 2: We used to do love shows like we're just leaving

1997
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:54,720
Speaker 2: it all out here and only these people are going

1998
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:58,400
Speaker 2: to hear it totally, and then of course post it right.

1999
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:04,760
Speaker 1: We could call it ending in the middle, which is

2000
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 1: what she did, which we like to do, so you know,

2001
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be linear these stories. Sometimes you

2002
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 1: have to put the ending in the middle. It's almost

2003
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 1: more exciting when it's that way. It really is. Well,

2004
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 1: that was our live show at the rams Head Live.

2005
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:20,800
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, you guys. Let's say goodbye from Baltimore.

2006
01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 1: This was such an amazing show. Love Thank you so much.

2007
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:31,439
Speaker 1: What a great crowd you are. Thank you for listening.

2008
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 1: Thank you for being a part of the Rhythm Nation. Yeah,

2009
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 1: it's so nice that you came. Paulk Rap Crew. You

2010
01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 1: guys fucked it up the whole time. Thank you for

2011
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:52,160
Speaker 1: being punked. Thank you and stay sexy and bye. You guys,

2012
01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:52,880
Speaker 1: thank you