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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with a treen boy turned school shooter and

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Speaker 1: his sick outburst in court. I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 1: crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: That's right. A boy fourteen who guns down two classmates

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Speaker 1: and two teachers shoots them all dead. Laughs giggles in

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Speaker 1: court as a survivor reads a victim impact statement. Again,

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. A teen guns down four people dead

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Speaker 1: in a rampage in his high school breaks out laughing

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Speaker 1: she was speaking. She was reading her victim impact statement

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Speaker 1: in court that sent Colt Gray, now sixteen, into fits

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Speaker 1: of laughter in the courtroom. Natalie Griffith, the surviving victim,

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Speaker 1: nine people injured in a bloodbath at Appalachi High That

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Speaker 1: was the number injured. Four or murdered, two classmates and

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Speaker 1: two teachers. This is what we know.

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Speaker 2: Wednesday morning, Appalachi High School in winder Georgia, fourteen year

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Speaker 2: old Cold Gray steps out of his algebra classroom Moments later,

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Speaker 2: chaos unfolds as gunshots ring out.

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Speaker 1: Every parent in America's head is spinning. How did he

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Speaker 1: get in school with a gun? Why was he let

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Speaker 1: out of to wander the halls un chaperoned? And did

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Speaker 1: the school know ahead of time that he was an

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Speaker 1: eminent threat to the other students? This as we learn

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Speaker 1: he had been underwatched by the FBI and nothing was

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Speaker 1: done by local authorities. And how does his father end

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Speaker 3: Troubled son an r for Christmas assault rifle with me

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Speaker 3: an all Star panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 3: are learning now, but straight out to special guests joining

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Speaker 1: Of, as I said, an all Star panel.

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Speaker 4: I want to first speak to.

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Speaker 1: Sonia Turner joining us from winder Georgia, mother of two

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Speaker 1: girls at the school. Ms Turner, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I know this is going to run a chill down

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Speaker 6: The door flew open and all I saw was when

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Speaker 6: I turned around for a few seconds, was a figure

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Speaker 1: Turner, when you think about your girls in that school.

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Speaker 1: The fact that they are alive today is a miracle.

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Speaker 1: Says, yeah, we got to be quick, I guess so

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Speaker 4: What happened?

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Speaker 5: So I had just dropped my oldest daughter, she's fifteen,

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Speaker 5: five minutes maybe less before this happened. She was late

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Speaker 5: And then I was sitting down to rest because I

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Speaker 5: text that said, Mom, we're on lockdown. I hear gunshots.

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Speaker 5: And I think some of your producers had seen that

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Speaker 5: It's word by word. They left the typos even so

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Speaker 5: I started texting with her, trying to calm her, trying

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Speaker 5: a job site not too far away. The first text

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Speaker 5: She was on that end of the hall. She wasn't

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Speaker 5: my media. Other texts went to my pastor. My pastor

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Speaker 5: Everyone I know had someone at that school that day.

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Speaker 5: It was the thing to do. I think the thing

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Speaker 5: But in the prayer with my pastor, which she did

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Speaker 4: In this case, my pastor.

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Speaker 5: Prayed with me for him to stop in his tracks

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Speaker 5: whatever he was doing and lay that gun down. And

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Speaker 1: Have to use sown y up when you said you

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Speaker 4: What else could you do? There was nothing more you

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Speaker 5: It was the first thing I needed to do. It

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Speaker 5: somehow become a mama to the mamas. It's a long story.

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Speaker 5: It started back during COVID where I'd created a group

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Speaker 5: where eight thousand moms have come together and stayed together

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Speaker 5: I've started out online and I'm watching the stories feed

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Speaker 4: What went through your mind.

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Speaker 5: There were parents that happened to be passing the school.

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Speaker 1: Joining us. In addition to Sonia Turner, the mom of

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Speaker 1: children in the Atlanta schools. And I'm wondering, straight out

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Speaker 1: to Chris Hubbard is joining us, how does what Sonya

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Speaker 1: you heard about the schools shooting right here under your.

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Speaker 4: Nose, what goes through your mind?

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Speaker 1: I mean, how can you keep sending your children to

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Speaker 1: were warnings, there were calls, there were reports, but yet

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Speaker 7: and then I was like, another school shooting. This is unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: And then I saw it in.

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Speaker 7: Georgia and my heart dropped even further. And Sonya, I

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Speaker 7: can't imagine what you're going through and what those family

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Speaker 1: I mean, when I'm looking at these texts, I text

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Speaker 4: Their phone and not get caught.

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Speaker 1: But Sonya, when you have your child saying Mommy, I'm scared,

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Speaker 1: and all you can say that is stay down, stay hidden.

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Speaker 5: Yep, it's paralyzing again.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Chase McGee is joining US senior Newsroom producer

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Speaker 1: G P B. Chase, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: What do we know about exactly what happened that month?

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Speaker 1: But before you start, take a listen to this.

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Speaker 8: It approximately ten twenty am this morning, the Barrett County

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Speaker 8: Sheriff's Office received alerts about reports of an active shooter

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Speaker 8: and radio traffic from school resource officers concerning the same

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Speaker 8: concern or having the same concern.

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Speaker 9: All of our teachers are armed with a form of

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Speaker 9: an ID called scentigics, and Scientigics alarms us and alerts

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Speaker 9: the law enforcement office. After buttons are pressed on an

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Speaker 9: ID and it alerts us that there is an active

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Speaker 9: situation at the school for whatever reason. And that was

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Speaker 9: pressed and we've had that about a week.

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Speaker 1: Now, Chase McGee, let me understand, Let me understand what

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing. So all the teachers are equipped with some

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Speaker 1: and if they press it, that sends out the alarm.

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Speaker 10: Hey, yeah, that's right, Nancy, Thanks for having me to

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Speaker 10: my understanding. A lot of schools in Northeast Georgia started

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Speaker 10: rolling out this program. I believe these schools and had

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Speaker 10: these cards for about two days on their person, So

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Speaker 10: that's two days training ahead of the shooting. And it

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Speaker 10: essentially works like a you press it and it lets

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Speaker 10: law enforcement know where in the buildings that there's this

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Speaker 10: incident going on. And in early press conferences they credit

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Speaker 10: that and school resource officers on campus with a really

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Speaker 10: quick response time to stop the shooting.

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Speaker 1: School resource officers on campus and one student you heard

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Speaker 4: At that school state that one.

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Speaker 1: Of the children had gone out to the bathroom and

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Speaker 8: School resource officers assigned here to the school who immediately

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Speaker 8: encountered the subject. Within just minutes of this report going out.

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Speaker 9: The shooter was armed and our school resource officer engaged him,

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Speaker 9: In Ball Shooting.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Gray, Colt Gray sixteen breaks out

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Speaker 1: laughing as his shooting victim Natalie Griffith describes how her

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Speaker 2: A fourteen year old Appalachi High School student steps out

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Speaker 4: What do we know about what happened that morning?

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Speaker 1: Yet another school shooting, and now the father of the shooter,

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Speaker 1: Col Gray, has also been arrested. The grandfather calling him

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Speaker 4: The home of Colt Gray.

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Speaker 1: Sounds chaotic, but can we just focus on the thirteen

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Speaker 4: Chase again that morning? How did it unfold?

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Speaker 10: So what we know from before the shooting? Over this

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Speaker 1: To Sonya Turner joining us, the mom of two little

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Speaker 4: Know cult Gray?

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Speaker 1: No, he's not.

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Speaker 5: He's not from here. He had only he had been

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Speaker 1: So what we have heard about him being bullied and

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Speaker 4: Did not happen at this school. Absolutely not.

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Speaker 5: I was contacted by again, I've been here forty five years.

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Speaker 8: Listen, therefore, individuals who are deceased from this incident, Nine

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Speaker 8: Those that lost their life in this tragic event. Mason Shermerhorn,

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Speaker 1: The victims four dead and yet another school shooting.

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Speaker 4: To Chris Hubbard, Atlanta. Father with children.

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Speaker 1: In school right now, how often do one of your

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Speaker 4: Who did you have lunch with them all that?

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Speaker 1: Have you heard them say, yeah, that kid is there's

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Speaker 1: It happens all the time. But Chris, how often do

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Speaker 4: How often do parents actually think it's going to go

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Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, unfortunately, with the way things are going, you know,

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Speaker 7: with you, that's not something you ever considered to happen

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Speaker 7: missing the signs. We're missing the mental health, the troubled

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Speaker 4: We're not doing enough about it. Yeah, I hear you, Chris,

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Speaker 1: I'm listening to what Sonya Turner has just told us

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Speaker 4: So how was he allowed out of class? How did

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Speaker 12: Or why the school allowed this boy to come and

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Speaker 1: So why was he allowed out? You know, my son

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Speaker 4: I know you, John, David.

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with going to the library is I didn't

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Speaker 1: Active Shooter Prevention Project, Chris, wouldn't that be written in bedrock.

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Speaker 4: That students don't wander freely in the hall?

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Speaker 13: And that's absolutely correct, And the protocols only work if

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Speaker 13: We haven't let a child die in a school fire

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Speaker 1: Another issue that Chris Grolnik has just brought up, Chase

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Speaker 1: McGee is the specter that has reared its ugly head

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Speaker 4: When she's angry.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that said Chase McGhee, What can you tell me,

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Speaker 2: As shots ring out in the halls of Georgia's Appalachi

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Speaker 14: School administrator goes looking for Cold Gray. After receiving a

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Speaker 1: We are understanding that the discussion of school shootings happened

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Speaker 4: We're school shootings were discussed.

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Speaker 5: I don't know specifics of what was discussed, but I

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Speaker 5: Just as because he was a new student. I think

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Speaker 1: let me understand something Sidney did. Was there a meeting

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Speaker 11: That's what I'm understanding. And yes, there was some sort

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Speaker 1: Hold On said, said the school shooter, Colt Gray contacted

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Speaker 4: So a lot of time lost, you know.

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Speaker 1: and specifically lived through the Mandalay Mass shooting and lived

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Speaker 1: When your child at the supper table, says, God, that

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Speaker 4: You heard Sonya Turner, who is living through this, her children.

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Speaker 15: this is horrific, but in time, being a survivor of

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Speaker 15: a mass shooting myself, She's going to realize and her

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Speaker 15: daughter's going to realize that there's a bigger cause for

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Speaker 15: her daughter surviving and her family going through this. And

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Speaker 15: part of that cause is going to be what I've

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Speaker 15: tried to do the last five or six years is

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Speaker 15: to make change throughout our country to try to safeguard

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Speaker 15: not only schools, but all public places that we go to.

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Speaker 4: And how do we do that?

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Speaker 15: You know, Nancy, shortly after the Vegas shooting, when I

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Speaker 15: thought I was going to die and I saw other

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Speaker 15: people on the ground shot and dealt with, you know,

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Speaker 15: remorse for not helping them, and similar to what Sonya

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Speaker 15: went through too. I sent a text to my daughters.

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Speaker 15: I'm a single parent. I've got two daughters now, but

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Speaker 15: my teen daughter at the time it was two lesters.

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Speaker 15: So I texted her mom and I just said, you know,

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Speaker 15: if I get killed, you know, you know, send my

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Speaker 15: love to Toulana, my daughter. But the thing is that

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Speaker 15: nobody should have to go through that, and the way

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Speaker 15: that we make change is not through. What I was

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Speaker 15: trying to get at before I got emotional was I

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Speaker 15: thought that this they're a ban on, you know, assault

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Speaker 15: weapons with help the first year or two. And I've

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Speaker 15: changed my thought because of what we're seeing in this

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Speaker 15: shooting too, that in nearly every school shooting and nearly

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Speaker 15: every mass shooting Nancy, there are red flags. There are

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Speaker 15: massive red flags here and until local schools. It's not

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Speaker 15: just a federal issue. Everybody's quick to blame the federal government.

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Speaker 15: What are we doing to solve these This is a

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Speaker 15: local issue too.

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Speaker 4: Luck could have been done here.

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Speaker 1: Well, why you know what, Claypool, You're right, the FBI

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Speaker 1: had been.

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Speaker 4: Watching cult Gray.

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Speaker 1: They contacted, as you are prescribing, local authorities.

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Speaker 4: Who did an interview, and nothing was done.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jillian Peterson joining me forensic psychologists and the executive

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Speaker 1: director of the Violence Prevention Project, author of the Violence

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Speaker 1: Project How to Stop a Mass shooting Epidemic.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Doctor Jillian Peterson lay it on me.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean it's so heartbreaking and difficult to hear

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Speaker 16: the story because we've studied these school shootings and it's

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Speaker 16: the same thing over and over again. It's a troubled

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Speaker 16: young man who's a student of the school. He's making threats,

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Speaker 16: he's posting things online, he's telling people things that are

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Speaker 16: going to happen. The people are around him are concerned,

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Speaker 16: and still every warning sign gets missed when this happens.

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Speaker 1: So, doctor Jillian Peterson, they had a meeting with the

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Speaker 1: counselor that morning and he's talking about school shootings. Sonya

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Speaker 1: Turner says she knows and instruct her that dealt with

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Speaker 1: Colt Gray years ago, same thing. Then he's like, uh vesuvius,

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Speaker 1: waiting to erupt. Yet nothing happened. The parents aren't going

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Speaker 1: to do anything. What they did is given an ar

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Speaker 1: an ar an assault rifle. So that's not helpful. The

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Speaker 1: only thing I believe that saved lives at all. And

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Speaker 1: I think Sonya Turns backing me up on This is

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Speaker 1: a school administrator and one of the students listen.

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Speaker 14: A school administrator goes looking for Cold Gray after receiving

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Speaker 14: a panicked call from mom Marcy Gray. Gray says someone

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Speaker 14: needs to find and check on her son immediately, it's

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Speaker 14: an extreme emergency. Minutes before that call, is school counselor

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Speaker 14: informed Gray that Colt mentioned school shootings in their meeting

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Speaker 14: that morning. Marcy Gray also received a text from her son, reading,

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Speaker 14: I'm sorry Mom.

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Speaker 17: The assault rifle gifted to Great Christmas this last year

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Speaker 17: is reportedly the same gun used in the attack on

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Speaker 17: Appalachi High School. Many are questioning how the fourteen year

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Speaker 17: old managed to get the large gun into the school.

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Speaker 17: Apalachi does not have metal detectors, but the school does

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Speaker 17: not provide lockers to every student. While in ar fifteen

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Speaker 17: will break down into two pieces, they are still too

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Speaker 17: large to conceal in a typical school backpack.

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Speaker 1: So how did he get the gun into the school?

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Speaker 1: How did he transport it? How did he get out

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Speaker 1: in the hall with it? Did he stash it somewhere

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Speaker 1: he was out? According to Sonya Turner, whose children go

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Speaker 1: to the school with a legitimate bathroom pass, so he

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Speaker 1: was not wandering the halls as has.

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Speaker 4: Been characterized to us. That's not what happened.

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Speaker 1: He had a bathroom pass, so how did he get

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Speaker 1: the gun? Joining us an all star panel to make

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Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now to mary Lynn

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Speaker 1: Ryan joining us VP at GPB Mary Lynn in the

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Speaker 1: last hours the father who grace father, which is quite

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Speaker 1: a departure in American jurisprudence. It has happened before, but

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Speaker 1: very rarely the father has been put behind bars.

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Speaker 4: Why that is a.

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Speaker 18: Good question, Nancy. We asked that right away, because there's

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Speaker 18: only been one other case in Michigan where a parent

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Speaker 18: was held liable for that for a gun used by

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Speaker 18: a student. But I talked to law enforcement at the

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Speaker 18: federal level after this, and I was told that it

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Speaker 18: was because the father had knowledge of his mental health

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Speaker 18: and still provided him with a possessing a weapon and

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Speaker 18: knew that he was in that state and those were

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Speaker 18: available to him. So that you're a lawyer, a very

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Speaker 18: good lawyer, Nancy, and I know you've done many stories

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Speaker 18: on this, and that I believe is the reason why

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Speaker 18: they're able to charge the father with accessory pretty much

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Speaker 18: to this crime. So it will be a top story

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Speaker 18: here in Georgia, and the gun debate rages on again

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Speaker 18: as we head into this election, and it's at the

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Speaker 18: top of mine today.

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Speaker 12: Hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to make this at all about politics

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Speaker 1: at all.

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Speaker 4: I want to save lives.

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Speaker 1: I don't care who's going to use this as some

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Speaker 1: rhetoric right for an election to further their own interest.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you're right, you are right, Marilynn.

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Speaker 4: Listen, if something like that happened.

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Speaker 7: For a year or something like that reported, yeah, it

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Speaker 7: is hell your head, tell teacher telling them Franks Owe

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Speaker 7: never said something. So you haven't used this cord in

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Speaker 7: a few months, and you're you're you're saying you didn't

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Speaker 7: say anything.

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Speaker 9: I don't know.

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Speaker 13: Only thing I have is tea song. But I just

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Speaker 13: go around there and watching hells.

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Speaker 11: Do you have weapons in the house?

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Speaker 1: Are they accessible to him?

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Speaker 6: They are?

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Speaker 5: I mean there's nothing, nothing loaded, but they are down.

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Speaker 15: Okay, we do we actually we do a lot of shooting.

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Speaker 4: We do a lot of deer, and he shot his

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Speaker 4: first deer this year.

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Speaker 6: Did you know so?

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Speaker 4: Like I'm pretty much.

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Speaker 2: In shock, to be honest with you, Well, I'm a

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Speaker 2: little pissed off to be even really honest with you.

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Speaker 4: In fact, if that is what it was said, he's

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Speaker 4: pissed off.

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Speaker 1: The father is pissed off. Well, this may help you

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Speaker 1: understand it a little bit more. Earlier, we heard Brian

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Speaker 1: Claypool talking about lots of red flags.

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Speaker 4: That interview was back.

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Speaker 1: In May twenty twenty three, when the Jackson County Deputy

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Speaker 1: sheriff went out to speak to Colet Gray's father and

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Speaker 1: he's pissed.

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Speaker 4: The father's pissed about.

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Speaker 1: What And yes, the guns were easily accessible. To Sidney

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Speaker 1: Sumner joining us crimeoline dot Com investigative reporter, it's my

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Speaker 1: understanding that it's a lot more than just accessory to

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Speaker 1: the crime that the father, Colin Gray is facing four

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Speaker 1: counts of manslaughter and two counts of second degree murder,

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Speaker 1: and he claims he gave his son an a R

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Speaker 1: fifteen style rifle that was then used in the massacre

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Speaker 1: at Appalachia i Ante.

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Speaker 11: That's absolutely cool. What we know is that Colin Griff

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Speaker 11: gifted cult this assault rifle, reportedly for deer hunting. It

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Speaker 11: seems like they were out hunting very frequently. Colin Gray

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Speaker 11: talks to the sheriff's deputies about trying to get Colt outside,

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Speaker 11: trying to get in the hobby. Was this the best

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Speaker 11: hobby for cult to be in? Obviously not. So that's

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Speaker 11: what we know about that, And it's obvious these text

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Speaker 11: messages that are coming out between Marcy Gray, her sisters,

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Speaker 11: her mother.

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Speaker 4: And father.

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Speaker 11: The family was very aware that Colt Gray was not

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Speaker 11: doing well mentally. He had just been put into therapy

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Speaker 11: a week before the shooting happened.

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Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting, Sidney Sumner Sonya Turner, has

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Speaker 1: pointed out that his file about all of his difficulties

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Speaker 1: and all of his demons and homicidal suicidal ideation did

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Speaker 1: not travel with him. Everyone is attacking Appalachi Hi. Appalachi

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Speaker 1: Hi did not know about his trouble background. But as

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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner is telling us, we now know that law

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Speaker 1: enforcement went to speak to the father and I guess

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Speaker 1: you heard what she was saying about the home.

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Speaker 17: Listen, Colt Gray's home life is anything but stable. Colt's mother,

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Speaker 17: Marcy Gray, has a long criminal history after falling into

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Speaker 17: drug addiction. Colin and Marcy Gray separate shortly after being

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Speaker 17: evicted from a rental home Colt stays with his father

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Speaker 17: while his two younger siblings go with their mom. After

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Speaker 17: cops find drugs in her car, Marcy Grays sent us

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Speaker 17: to five years in prison, but serves only forty six

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Speaker 17: days before release on parole. Months later, Gray is arrested

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Speaker 17: for aggravated battery on her seventy three year old mother

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Speaker 17: and barred from contact with Colin Gray outside of matters concerning.

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Speaker 1: Their children, crime stories with Nancy Gray. In the last

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Speaker 1: day's they hearing goes down in a court of law

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Speaker 1: where the judger's statements from family members of four people

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Speaker 1: murdered by Colt Gray at Appalachi High. It was Mason Shimmerhorn,

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Speaker 1: aged fourteen, Richard Aspenwall the teacher, Christina Remi the teacher,

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Speaker 1: and Christian Angulo, also fourteen, Two fourteen year olds gunned

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Speaker 1: down in the school hallways, two teachers dead. The survivors

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Speaker 1: spoke in court giving heartbreaking testimony about how the shooting

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Speaker 1: had impacted their lives and of course it did. This

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Speaker 1: is what happened. Sonya Turner, who is the mom of

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Speaker 1: two little girls that attend Appalachi High. Sonya, you're getting

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Speaker 1: all sorts of information.

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Speaker 4: What have you learned about Gray's father.

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Speaker 5: I got very reliable information that he was acting very

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Speaker 5: peculiar that morning at work and was communicating back and

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Speaker 5: forth supposedly with his son. And I wholeheartedly feel like

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Speaker 5: he may have known more than something was up. That

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Speaker 5: he may have known what was up.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, it just makes me wonder.

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Speaker 1: Did he not want to give up his son? Did

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Speaker 1: he try to talk his son out of it? Was

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Speaker 1: he trying to calm his son down at the expense

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Speaker 1: of the other students? To Chris Grolnick, active shooter expert,

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Speaker 1: what is the fix?

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Speaker 4: What can we do?

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Speaker 1: The FBI had flagged it, local law enforcement went to

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Speaker 1: go speak to his family.

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Speaker 4: That did no good.

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Speaker 1: The new school Appalachi High, as Sonya Turner has pointed out,

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Speaker 1: did not have access to any of Cole Gray's history.

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Speaker 1: They let a ticking time bomb walk into their school

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Speaker 1: unbeknownst to them.

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Speaker 13: And you know, Natsi and so many others. Ninety percent

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Speaker 13: of these shooters, Courton, the FBI tell somebody they're going

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Speaker 13: to do it before they do it, and they provide

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Speaker 13: something called leakage, which is on social media that remains

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Speaker 13: up at will until it's posted, flagged or other, and

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Speaker 13: then may come down later. If we just follow their history,

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Speaker 13: listen to the people around, and when somebody says they're

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Speaker 13: going to do something and we start believing them, then

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Speaker 13: we can reduce these incidents. As great as this response was,

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Speaker 13: we've still lost the lives of four people, nine other shot,

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Speaker 13: and a whole host of a community that's going to

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Speaker 13: be in shambles for god knows how long over twenty

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Speaker 13: five years. The watershed moment was Columbine. Of course, Uvaldi

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Speaker 13: was absolutely the incorrect way to handle this.

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Speaker 1: You know, Chris Hubbard, Atlanta area father of children that

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Speaker 1: he's got to stand right back into school tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 1: Chris Hubbard, one of the first stints I did at

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Speaker 1: the Fulton County District Attorney's office was in juvenile and

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Speaker 1: of course it's more of a.

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Speaker 4: Revolving door there than it is in adult jail.

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Speaker 1: But I would see the level of crime committed by

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Speaker 1: jeeveniles and then.

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Speaker 4: Want right out the door.

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Speaker 1: And I knew nothing could be done except for me

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Speaker 1: trying to get treated as adults. So that in mind, Chris,

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Speaker 1: what do you tell your children hide under your desk?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you tell them that's.

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Speaker 4: An impossible conversation. Nancy.

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Speaker 7: We talk about recognizing signs, we talk about being nice

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Speaker 7: to people. I know that sounds silly maybe in this context,

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Speaker 7: but you know a lot of these kids you here

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Speaker 7: were bullied. And again, I know this didn't happen to

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Speaker 7: appleatchi high because it was only his second day apparently,

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Speaker 7: but had lived through that his entire life. But when

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Speaker 7: something like that happens, all you can do is tell

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Speaker 7: your kids to look out for themselves the best they can.

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Speaker 7: I wish we had more physical barriers at the schools,

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Speaker 7: lockdown doors, etc. The resource officers. I'm a huge proponent

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Speaker 7: of having sat on three school boards, two current and

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Speaker 7: one in the past. School safety is something that we've

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Speaker 7: talked about a lot, and I'm a huge proponent of

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Speaker 7: the school resource officers. But again that's a reaction thing.

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Speaker 7: And again we're not missing these signs. I don't believe

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Speaker 7: we're ignoring these signs of this mental health. And again

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Speaker 7: I don't know what you do, And Nancy, you've lived

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Speaker 7: this in your legal career, where you've had juveniles walk

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Speaker 7: out the door and you knew something was going to happen.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the legal fix is.

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Speaker 7: That's certainly not my area of expertise.

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Speaker 1: Well, Chris, you point out something really valuable. And to

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Speaker 1: Sonya Turner, following what Chris Hubbard has just said, the

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Speaker 1: reaction by the school, and I want to defend the

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Speaker 1: school along with you, now that I understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: The school reacted and they reacted appropriately. So it's not

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Speaker 1: the reaction what Hubbard just said, it's before that is,

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Speaker 1: before the school.

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Speaker 4: Has to react.

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Speaker 1: How did he get the gun in there? Where did

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Speaker 1: he get the gun? How did he know how to

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Speaker 1: break down the gun? What kind of doors did the

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Speaker 1: school have? Do they have metal detectors? Why didn't his

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Speaker 1: file follow him to Appalachi High? I mean, it's like

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Speaker 1: Appalachi's bringing a knife to a gunfight.

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Speaker 4: They have no idea what.

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Speaker 1: They're dealing with. But let me ask you this, Sonya Turner.

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Speaker 1: I know as a victim of violent crime and having

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Speaker 1: dealt with crime victims my whole life. Now you're never

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Speaker 1: the same after. How are your girls and how is

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Speaker 1: this affecting them?

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Speaker 5: I want to share something about one of the victims

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Speaker 5: as quickly as I can. They said at our vidal

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Speaker 5: last night with which was absolutely amazing. Mason, the young

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Speaker 5: man that was killed. One of his favorite video games

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Speaker 5: was Kingdom of Hearts, and I'd never.

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Speaker 4: Heard of it.

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Speaker 5: But what they talked about is the whole premise of

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Speaker 5: that video game was it's a story of light overcoming

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Speaker 5: the darkness and the ultimate sacrifice did that child make?

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Speaker 5: But last night of that vigil, all we.

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Speaker 4: Saw was light.

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Speaker 5: But love will prevail in the situation. It's just I

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Speaker 5: hate that those families lost their loved one.

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Speaker 1: Sunday, victim Griffith states quote, I got shot twice, once

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Speaker 1: in my wrist, once in my upper arm. I lost

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Speaker 1: ability to use my left hand, But on some days

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Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like that's the biggest thing I lost

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Speaker 1: after the shooting. I lost my independence. I couldn't put

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Speaker 1: on my own clothes or do my own hair. Things

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Speaker 1: that were easy for me became a challenge. Another classmate

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Speaker 1: told Colton Grat I hate everything about you. I hate

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Speaker 1: the scars you left on my body. I hate that

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Speaker 1: you took innocent lives in front of innocent people. Most

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Speaker 1: of all, I hate that I let you live in

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Speaker 1: my mind. Oh dear Lord in heaven, can you imagine

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Speaker 1: the parents of the murdered students.

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Speaker 19: Fourteen year old student Colt Gray asked his first period

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Speaker 19: teacher at Appalachi High School how the school would respond

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Speaker 19: to an active shooter situation. The teacher notices Gray's backpack

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Speaker 19: seems unusually heavy and emails school administrators with concerns about

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Speaker 19: the student. Gray second period algebra class teacher didn't see

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Speaker 19: the email and allows Gray to leave the classroom just

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Speaker 19: before ten am, ostensibly to meet with his guidance counselor.

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Speaker 19: Sneaking into a bathroom, Gray pulls out his rifle and

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Speaker 19: returns to class, knocking on the classroom door. A student

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Speaker 19: gets up to let him in and sees Gray standing

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Speaker 19: with a rifle at the door, telling the teacher he's

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Speaker 19: got a gun. Colt Gray enters a nearby class and

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Speaker 19: fires between ten and fifteen rounds. Gray then goes down

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Speaker 19: down the hallway, firing at those leaving their rooms to

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Speaker 19: see what's happening. In the end, two students and two

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Speaker 19: teachers are dead. Nearly two years later, the now sixteen

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Speaker 19: year old Grave pleads guilty to fifty five criminal charges,

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Speaker 19: including four counts of murder, and a non.

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Speaker 4: Negotiated plead deal.

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Speaker 19: The judge has the opportunity to sentence Gray to life

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Speaker 19: in prison with or without parole. Barrow County Superior Court

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Speaker 19: Judge Nicholas Prim hands down a sentence of life in

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Speaker 19: prison with no chance for parole.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfall. We wait as justice unfalls.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friends,