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Speaker 1: Tapping everybody. Happy Monday to you wherever you may be.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into Texans All Access FRO. I'm not a Texans

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Speaker 1: radio studio. I'm your host, Sean Harris football on a

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Speaker 1: sideline reporter for your Houston Texans. Glad you are with us,

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Speaker 1: and well we got a good one right out to shoot.

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Speaker 1: New president of the Houston Texans. First time down in

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Speaker 1: the studio with Mark and myself. Mike Toeman is going

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Speaker 1: to join us. Graduate at Georgetown University. Hired. I think

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Speaker 1: while I was at the Senior Boy, I believe. I

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Speaker 1: think that's when I found out what was happening. So

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Speaker 1: Mike Toeman here, he is one on two exclusive right here,

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Speaker 1: Texas All accents.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and.

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Speaker 1: Studio with us.

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Speaker 3: Now, new president of the Houston Texans, Mike Toeman joining us.

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Speaker 1: Mike, great to have you with us. How's it going.

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Speaker 4: Oh it's going great. Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited to be here.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna get to know you and we'll get

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Speaker 3: into your background. Johnny's already broken down all the Georgetown

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Speaker 3: football tape. Yeahh so we'll do that part sixty seconds.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was all longer to mine. So you're good.

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Speaker 1: So let's get into this though.

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Speaker 3: What attracted you to this this opportunity the Houston Tech

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Speaker 3: sins here you are tell us about.

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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, no, it was.

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Speaker 4: It was a great process for me to go through

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Speaker 4: to really get to know this opportunity. I think thought

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Speaker 4: about it in a few different ways. First was the NFL.

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Speaker 4: I think the health of the NFL is a league

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Speaker 4: on a global stage, could not be stronger. And so

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Speaker 4: when you look towards where the league's going in the future,

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Speaker 4: it's pretty exciting, you know, I think the game not

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Speaker 4: only here but globally, so that was certainly appealing. I

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Speaker 4: think the other side was really understanding ownership. You know,

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Speaker 4: I've been in sports and entertainment for almost twenty five

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Speaker 4: years at this point, and I've been fortunate enough to

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Speaker 4: be a number of different places, and one thing that

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Speaker 4: I can say sitting in front of you today that

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Speaker 4: is extremely important is ownership. You know, you can't underestimate

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Speaker 4: the value of how having good ownership.

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Speaker 2: And so I had the.

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Speaker 4: Chance to get to know Cal and hand up both

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Speaker 4: and certainly was very aware of Bob and Janis's legacy

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Speaker 4: as well, and having the opportunity to sit in front

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Speaker 4: of them and see how genuinely they cared about the team,

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Speaker 4: the city and have these big.

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Speaker 2: Aspirations for what it can be in the future. That

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Speaker 2: gave me goosebumps. That was special, and so I looked

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Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, you have the league, you have

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Speaker 4: the right ownership, and then you start looking at the team.

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Speaker 2: Team is in a great spot.

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Speaker 4: You know, certainly fun to watch, but you know, really

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Speaker 4: in a position where you have these cornerstones to keep

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Speaker 4: building with Nick and coach, and the offense with CJ's leadership,

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Speaker 4: certainly a stout defense, feel really good about the team

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Speaker 4: on the field, and then you really start thinking about, okay,

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Speaker 4: well where's all this happening? You know, where is this

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Speaker 4: all going to happen? And had a chance to really

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Speaker 4: look at Houston. Houston as a market, you really look

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Speaker 4: at it as truly an international city, a world class city.

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Speaker 4: And what makes Houston so unique is it has all

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Speaker 4: that global appeal in a very humble manner.

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Speaker 2: You know, you have such a great base.

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Speaker 4: And then I drilled down into the fan base and

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Speaker 4: from a distance before accepting the job, you know, it's

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Speaker 4: just a great reputation of what the Texans fan base

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Speaker 4: brings to the table. You know, you have a younger

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Speaker 4: fan base when you put it up towards the rest

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Speaker 4: in football in this city. And I look at both

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Speaker 4: those things, is gosh, look where it is right now,

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Speaker 4: pretty easy decision. You know, I felt really fortunate to

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Speaker 4: see any executive that wouldn't run to this thing when

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Speaker 1: Mike, you talked about being a sports business for about

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Speaker 1: twenty five years. Now you're on a team side, as

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Speaker 1: opposed to maybe working for an organization where maybe you

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Speaker 1: don't know if you've been here long enough to be

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Speaker 1: now you're working for a company. Now you're working for

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Speaker 1: a team. Is there any difference that you've see in that.

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, there is.

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Speaker 4: I think the unique place, the fortunate place that I

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Speaker 4: And so I started off my career on the team side.

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Speaker 4: It was predominantly in the NBA, but fortunate enough to

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Speaker 4: touch a number of different sports. And living on the

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Speaker 4: the thing one of the things that I really missed

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Speaker 4: was the passion, you know, the passion in your individual team.

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Speaker 4: Everything that you do is pushing towards making that better.

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Speaker 4: And then you know, I spent the you know, call

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Speaker 4: that agency side. I can't remember what accountant you were

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Speaker 4: comparing that to. Never had that analogy, but when I

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Speaker 4: look at having the ability to also see the sports

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Speaker 4: those things where it was like, Gosh, you have both

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Speaker 4: in this situation here in Houston.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you were co president of Legends, so you worked

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Speaker 3: on so far Allegiance Stadium, you worked on the start

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Speaker 3: what didn't you work on. So how did that experience

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Speaker 3: help what you're going to do here?

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Speaker 4: I think what that allowed me to do was see

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Speaker 2: And it had an It gave me the opportunity to see.

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Speaker 4: A number of different best practices, you know, and candidly

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Speaker 4: I got to see some mistakes too. And so you

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Speaker 4: have the ability to bring all that here and channel

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Speaker 4: all that into one focus, which is growing the Texans

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Speaker 1: Cool along those lines, Mike, and I know there's an

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Speaker 1: article that came out of Chronicle about stadium versus renovation

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Speaker 1: and all those kind of things, and obviously people connecting,

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Speaker 1: you know, connecting the dots with your experience with stadiums

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Speaker 1: and all that. I'll ask this question whether you want

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Speaker 1: the value of having a stadium like Allegiance, like Soul

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Speaker 1: far what does that kind of afford the organization? It's

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Speaker 1: what kind of experiences do they draw upon and what

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think just just to clarify our

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Speaker 4: prudent thing is to start understanding how you can best

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Speaker 2: So you start you start those things now.

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Speaker 4: And our focus has been on renovation, you know, focused

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Speaker 4: in on NRG and renovating the stadium to make it

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Speaker 4: a world class experience. We have world class fans, you know,

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Speaker 4: we want to show off the city of Houston. We

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Speaker 4: want to have a huge competitive advantage for the team

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Speaker 4: on the field when you come here, and to do that.

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Speaker 4: You know that those are drivers and how we're looking

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Speaker 4: You know, my experience is on both sides new builds

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Speaker 4: you named a number of them, but also significant renovations

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Speaker 4: at those things, it really forces you to prioritize what

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Speaker 4: top of that heap. How do you make sure, as

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Speaker 4: I said, this is a great place for Texans fans

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Speaker 4: So those are some of the things that really kind

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Speaker 4: of drive in that decision. And you know, being in

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Speaker 4: so we'll be able to bring that to the table.

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Speaker 3: We get this question from the listeners viewers all the time,

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Speaker 3: so I'm going to ask you renovation. People come to

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Speaker 3: great place to watch a game. The site lines are amazing,

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Speaker 3: and you know, we go to every stadium so we

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Speaker 3: see that. But when you say renovation, can you give

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Speaker 3: some examples of what that could possibly look like in

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Speaker 2: Well, it's I'll stay at.

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Speaker 4: A high level because there's a lot of detail to

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Speaker 4: I think one of the pieces is infrastructure. You think

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Speaker 2: And that has an impact on a number of different ways.

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Speaker 2: You know, there are a lot of buildings that you know,

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Speaker 4: More experience, you get smarter in the sports industry, and

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Speaker 4: so buildings are coming out and they're more efficient, which

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Speaker 4: and those who come to the stadium. You know, that's

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Speaker 4: one big focus on a renovation. How do you do

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Speaker 4: sure we are offering the best the sports industry really

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Speaker 4: the Globe has to offer our fans. And again, there

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Speaker 4: are other experiences that are out there that you think

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Speaker 4: about that make it easier to come to the stadium earlier.

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Speaker 4: It makes it more appealing for fans, families, and businesses

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Speaker 4: about having specialized opportunities that speak to what the different

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Speaker 4: how do you go through and make sure you're relevant

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Speaker 4: to everyone that comes through? And it's simple things like

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Speaker 4: stay in touch with all the plays that are going

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Speaker 2: So those are all drivers.

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Speaker 4: You know, we really think about those who are who

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Speaker 4: We think about those who want to bring their families out.

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Speaker 4: You know, this is a great place to bring families

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Speaker 4: as a place we want generations of Houstonians to be

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Speaker 3: And we could talk for days. But a little bit

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Speaker 4: The first piece, and this was this was one of

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Speaker 4: Every week, and he chose Enter Sandman for me. So

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Speaker 3: But I'm just thinking that's exactly right that it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it means what rocks like? What strong like rocks?

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Speaker 1: You think I would know this being who I am.

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Speaker 1: So all right, this is the most important question. We'll

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Speaker 3: This is going text mex Or Texas barbecue. You got

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Speaker 4: so I would go barbecue. My wife would go text mes.

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Speaker 4: Oh so, so I'm going to go text mex. Very

441
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Speaker 4: good decision, very smart. Okay, you don't eat like Nick does.

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Speaker 5: Do you?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: You know what I don't know if I know it's

445
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Speaker 2: eating habits as well enough.

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Speaker 1: The fact that you picked barbecue and didn't hesitate eight

447
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Speaker 1: that's good because that question of text mechs or barbecue

448
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Speaker 1: put Nick in a pretzel.

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Speaker 3: Nick Nix going Italian probably well, as it's ultimate cheat food,

450
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Speaker 3: but he's eating alfalfa sprouts and other things usually. Yeah, anyway,

451
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Speaker 3: most times, Mike, thanks so much for joining us in

452
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Speaker 3: good luck.

453
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Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys. So excited to be here.

454
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Speaker 1: First time from Mark and I on the radio with

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Speaker 1: the Texans new president. I know seawn it seth will

456
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Speaker 1: probably had a few additional questions. They I believe have

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Speaker 1: him on tomorrow. So we got first DIBs. So take that,

458
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Speaker 1: shawn it seth Ah. Speaking of first dibbs, who will

459
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Speaker 1: the Texans have first DIBs on? At number twenty five?

460
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Speaker 1: What did Mark and I learn about this? Combine. We'll

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Speaker 1: discuss that next right here in Texans All Access. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to this money edition of Texans All Access from

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Speaker 1: the No Texans Radio studio. I'm your host, John Harris,

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Speaker 1: alongside the voice of the Texans, Mark Vandermier. Mark. How

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Speaker 1: you doing. I'm doing great, Johnny. We're back from the combine.

466
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Speaker 1: We're ready to rock.

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Speaker 3: We still have plenty of combine content that will be

468
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Speaker 3: burning through. It's good stuff, man, It's great to catch

469
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Speaker 3: up with all these guys. I watched some of the

470
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Speaker 3: coverage over the weekend. A lot of NFL types do,

471
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Speaker 3: a lot of people don't stay and we talked about it.

472
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Speaker 3: It's watching track and field or golf. Sometimes it's better

473
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Speaker 3: on TV, but I watched a bunch of it and

474
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Speaker 3: it just made me long for football.

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Speaker 1: I thought, when when? How long?

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Speaker 2: Wait?

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Speaker 1: Can we get going again? But free agency next week?

478
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Speaker 1: Before you know what, it's going to be back?

479
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Would you take out of your conversation with our

481
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Speaker 1: conversation with Mike to kick off the show, President of Texans,

482
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Speaker 1: what'd you think of it? That's the first time I

483
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Speaker 1: met him. I'll just go and give you my first

484
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Speaker 1: time I met him and I said you after you

485
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Speaker 1: walked out, like I get it. Yeah, Like you just

486
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Speaker 1: meet people along the way and you just you understand,

487
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Speaker 1: like what you've you've heard, or why somebody's in a

488
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Speaker 1: particular position. Like I had never met Demiko until Combine

489
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Speaker 1: two years ago. Wow, twenty twenty three. Yeah, first time

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Speaker 1: I met him. Now I knew all about him and

491
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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, but he was a long

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Speaker 1: guy by the time you joined us in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And I was a Senior Bowl when

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Speaker 1: he had taken a yeah, and so I had a

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Speaker 1: chance to meet him. So I met him and I

496
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, I get it. I totally get it.

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Speaker 1: I get it with Mike as well. And think you

498
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Speaker 1: took out a conversation we have with him.

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Speaker 3: Well, he talked about culture and everything. A lot of

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Speaker 3: people have to understand that the president does not deal

501
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Speaker 3: with the football oup side other than to unite with them,

502
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Speaker 3: so they put on a great game presentation, situation and

503
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Speaker 3: whatever the facilities need. So yeah, some of the infrastructure stuff,

504
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 3: for sure, but I'm talking about he doesn't decide whether

505
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Speaker 3: to go for it on fourth and one or if

506
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Speaker 3: they're going to sign this certain receiver or not so

507
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Speaker 3: that kind of thing. It's two different parts of the

508
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Speaker 3: building but working together closely. I got excited about the

509
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Speaker 3: future of this stadium, and he explained it well because

510
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Speaker 3: we wanted him to. A lot of people question us

511
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Speaker 3: about renovation energy. Stadium's perfect. It's not perfect. It's a

512
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Speaker 3: great place to watch a game, but it's not perfect.

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Speaker 1: It needs a lot of work, needs to get upgraded, updated,

514
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Speaker 1: whatever word you want to use.

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Speaker 3: And that's why they're focused, like he said, on renovation,

516
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Speaker 3: trying to make it a state of the art, world

517
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Speaker 3: class facility so you can continue not only to host

518
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Speaker 3: NFL games at the highest possible standard, but to get

519
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Speaker 3: World Cups back here, to get the Final Four back here,

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Speaker 3: to get the Super Bowl back here. I know the

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Speaker 3: World Cup is a different deal and it hasn't even

522
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Speaker 3: happened yet here. But super Bowls, Final fours, ye college

523
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Speaker 3: national Championship. You're unlikely to get anything back of these

524
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Speaker 3: other than maybe the Final four unless you do dramatic

525
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Speaker 3: things to this stadium. And it's up to him to

526
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Speaker 3: deal with it and obviously help the whole situation with

527
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Speaker 3: the county and everybody else involved.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that you and I. We don't get in that

529
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Speaker 1: politician politics side of things, and that's what a lot

530
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Speaker 1: of this may may come down to at some point.

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Speaker 1: But I took a lot out of that conversa. I

532
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Speaker 1: was very intrigued by the stadium conversation renovations, building the

533
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Speaker 1: stadium a lot, I guess because we see every other

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Speaker 1: stadium throughout the league. So we see what everybody else

535
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Speaker 1: has got, we see what everybody else is, everybody else lacks.

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Speaker 1: We also see what everybody else does. Oh that's that's

537
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Speaker 1: really cool. I mean I like that at each and

538
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Speaker 1: every stadium that we go to, uh, throughout the league.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you my combine thought real fast. Okay. I

540
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Speaker 1: got asked this by Reggie and John this afternoon in

541
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Speaker 1: the Loop and they were like, what did you take

542
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Speaker 1: out of your conversation with Nick and Demko? And I

543
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I think one of the biggest

544
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Speaker 1: things that took out of it was number one, that

545
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Speaker 1: what they're looking for in these interviews, like the workouts matter,

546
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: but they really don't. They trust their film prep, they

547
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: trust the scouts what the scouts have seen. But to me,

548
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Speaker 1: those interviews are about starting to uncover who's got swarm

549
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: and who doesn't. Who's swarming and who's not, and that's

550
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: a that's a really big thing, and and how those

551
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Speaker 1: players fit into the culture. The other thing I took

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Speaker 1: out is combined that had really nothing to do with

553
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Speaker 1: Dick and tomko.

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Speaker 2: Mark.

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Speaker 1: This was one of the fastest combines I've ever seen.

556
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: Not Tuesday, its a Thursday. I'm talking about forty times

557
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Speaker 1: and just watching players work out and how fast I

558
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Speaker 1: I'm watching the running backs and I can't remember what

559
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Speaker 1: day it was. Was it Friday?

560
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Speaker 3: They watched it on Saturday, but Saturday. I might have

561
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Speaker 3: watched the tape. I don't know because I recorded everything. Yeah, yeah, same.

562
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Speaker 3: And so I'm watching these guys run.

563
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Speaker 1: Four three four four four four four four four three

564
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Speaker 1: like all of them. It was amazing, Yeah, and they

565
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: were all they they weren't like there wasn't like a

566
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Speaker 1: four to two and then a four to nine. They

567
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Speaker 1: were all like from four to three something to four

568
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Speaker 1: five something. They were all in that range. It was.

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Speaker 1: It was unbelievable looking at this group. I mean, and

570
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Speaker 1: of course you know they're going out about a quarter,

571
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Speaker 1: but like you listen, these Bentley ran a four six

572
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Speaker 1: two now that's not tremendous, but it's not horrible. That

573
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Speaker 1: was one of the worst times, if not the worst,

574
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Speaker 1: of guys that were running in this particular thing. Jaydon

575
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Speaker 1: Blue Texas four three eight Tozz Brooks Texas Tech for

576
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: five to two, Don Everts for four, Trevor E. Tn

577
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: for four two, DJ Giddens Kansas State for four to three,

578
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Speaker 1: four four six for Marion Hampton and Joe Mixon clone,

579
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Speaker 1: Traveon Henderson C J Straus former teamate for four to three,

580
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Speaker 1: Jaquest Hunter for four four. I mean, I'm just there.

581
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Speaker 1: There are none of them outside for sixteen and we

582
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Speaker 1: get spoiled.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing with the number four four, But if you're

584
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Speaker 3: a four, four, five or less, you are lightning quick.

585
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Speaker 1: You're lightning fast.

586
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Speaker 3: But yeah, and you're the first and among the first

587
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Speaker 3: to point this out. Andre does two. It's football speed.

588
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Speaker 3: Maybe that's what matters, because you can put this at

589
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Speaker 3: the combine. Are you running it in pads? Does it

590
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Speaker 3: show up on the field this way right when you're

591
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Speaker 3: playing the game. And here's a good one, Tank Dell, right,

592
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Speaker 3: Tank Dell, who ran what like a four.

593
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Speaker 1: It was not hot, it was not fast. Tank a

594
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Speaker 1: four four zero forty yard dash, he did four four zero. Now,

595
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Speaker 1: the thing about it was the expectation was he was

596
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Speaker 1: gonna run what like four to three. Yeah, he was

597
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Speaker 1: gonna run Will Fuller four four to three or four

598
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Speaker 1: to three. But when he didn't, it was kind of like,

599
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Speaker 1: now I know. For me, I was like, huh. But

600
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Speaker 1: I go back to as you said, was that guy doing.

601
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Speaker 3: Field on the field, he's running full yeah, and some

602
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Speaker 3: of you guys kind of slow down or they just

603
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Speaker 3: don't have that. And everybody, look, we're almost contractually obligated

604
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Speaker 3: when we talk about forty times in the combine to

605
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Speaker 3: mention that Jerry Rice run ran at four seven and

606
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Speaker 3: Kwombalden ran at four seven. Some guys don't run the

607
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Speaker 3: fastest forty times. Hop was a four four five. As

608
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Speaker 3: I recall, I have that one tattooed on my brain,

609
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Speaker 3: and that's quick again, but it's was what four four

610
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Speaker 3: four five?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty good. Hop went from four four five

612
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Speaker 1: to four six. Like I don't know that Hop ever

613
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Speaker 1: really played it four four five.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense, but it doesn't matter, right right, it

615
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: doesn't matter because he could catch every saying and he

616
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 3: knew how to get over and knew how to get

617
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Speaker 3: the right six spot generated for their quarterback to throw

618
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Speaker 3: to another one that was here Will Fuller, What did

619
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Speaker 3: he run at the combine?

620
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Speaker 1: Four three one? All right, so that's ridiculous. Yeah, but

621
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Speaker 1: he played that way, yes, and he cut that way.

622
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: He could cut so quick. And then you point this

623
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Speaker 1: out all the time. Accelerate because when you're watching these forties,

624
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Speaker 1: the first ten yards don't look the same on all

625
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: the guys, even the guys who are super fast. It's

626
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Speaker 1: like some of them it takes them ten yards to

627
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Speaker 1: get going and then they're gone. See other guys right

628
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: out of the block, they're just full speed, top speed instantly.

629
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Speaker 1: It's like that sports car, you know, zero to sixty

630
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Speaker 1: and how many seconds? You want to be that guy,

631
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Speaker 1: because that's the most important ten yards right there. I

632
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: know you want to finish, you want to run it out,

633
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: you want to score, but the initial burst has to

634
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: be there, or if it's there, it's a big help.

635
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Speaker 1: There's no question. And another guy, and it's so funny

636
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Speaker 1: that you bring up Tank and we bring up Tank

637
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: because Tes Johnson from out of Oregon and somebody I

638
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: watched it senior role and I mean, I watch him

639
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: a film a number of times, and you watch him

640
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: and you get that same feeling as Tank. They're scared

641
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: of him, like he runs away from guys, like he's

642
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: running away he's I was watching Rosewall that of the

643
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Speaker 1: Day and there's a there's a point in which if

644
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel thrown the ball further out, I think tes

645
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: pulls away from Davidson a mc noson and catch a touchdown,

646
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Speaker 1: and who knows how that game changes at that point.

647
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Speaker 1: So I'm thinking Ted's gonna fly. He ran a four

648
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: five five, like that's it's that's it's not slow. But

649
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Speaker 1: then it just doesn't jive with what I saw on tape. Yeah,

650
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Speaker 1: and you know last year there was a guy that

651
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: ran a four to six and everybody panicked and then

652
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: the second round the Texans went, we'll take Kamara last

653
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: year out of Georgia. Well, he can't run. He ran

654
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: four to six the combine. You watch him on an

655
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Speaker 1: N field.

656
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Speaker 3: And tell me he runs four to six, Does he

657
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: get to the rights, does he know where to go right?

658
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: Does he know where to go to cover his receiver?

659
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: Not exactly right? And I mean, and that all comes

660
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: up as we you know it's it's And I'm glad

661
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: you you said this because when you hear forty times,

662
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are like, oh, you're

663
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: just based on a fourth time. No, I can promise

664
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Speaker 1: you the last thing I base it on is a

665
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: forty time. Especially if that's forty times doesn't match with

666
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: what that guy plays in the field, right, because you know,

667
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys aren't going to do anything.

668
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: It's running backs who are running these blistering speeds most

669
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: of them, most are not going to do anything and

670
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: because they won't get the opportunity a lot of them

671
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: because think about it, I talked about that. I've said

672
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: this about the running back class. Mark, I think this

673
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: running back class is tremendous. It's tremendous. The problem is

674
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: they're about twenty guys that could take But but do

675
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: twenty teams need a running back? So, Johnny, you're not

676
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: really who is the Longhorn running backer? Ran four three eight?

677
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: Jayden Blue? So you have Jayden Blue, you have Bond,

678
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: you have Golden. Yeah, they had speed for days. One

679
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: year after that, Xavier Worthy and a Na Mitchell. Holy crap. Absolutely,

680
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean that's incredible. I mean it makes you ask

681
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: the question, I know, to quite know the question you

682
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: want to ask, which is what why did they do

683
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: more with it? Well, but they did a lot with them.

684
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: I mean they did a lot with it. They did

685
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: a lot with it. I mean they got to the

686
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: they got to the semifinals. Can you glean anything from

687
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: these quarterback workouts?

688
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: I'm watching yours and I'm watching all these other guys,

689
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: and it's just really difficult because they're matched up. You

690
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 3: have one or two throws each drill, each station, and

691
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 3: then you have receivers that you've never thrown to before

692
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: and good luck with that.

693
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: Right, What is the most important thing?

694
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 3: Why are they out there at OTA's all, you know,

695
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: nine weeks of them Because they're trying to get used

696
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: to each other, the timing, the rhythm, all of that.

697
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: It puts them in an unfair situation.

698
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 3: It is nice to see them, I guess, stretch it

699
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: out and work against each other because you have your tape,

700
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 3: and the tape is the most important thing of guys

701
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 3: playing the game. I guess seeing them in this environment

702
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 3: against each other does give you a little something. But

703
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: you mentioned it earlier. It's the character they want to

704
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: know who they are. Are they devoted to the sport?

705
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: Are they going to give it all to NFL football

706
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: and be there for you, the for you, the team,

707
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: for each other. They want to see that kind of stuff.

708
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I get out of it in

709
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: watching everybody work out one after the next. Now, the

710
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: problem is is you don't get everybody working out, but

711
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: you're doing kind of a basis of comparison, Like, Okay,

712
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: these are ten tackles in a row. Watch these ten

713
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: tackles in a row, and you're like, Okay, that guy

714
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: can move feet pretty well. That doesn't compare to that guy.

715
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: And then well that guy is compared to that. I

716
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: like having the comparison as I'm watching these guys and

717
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: I know they're all different, you know, physical physically, you

718
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: know some it might be a tackle that's three forty.

719
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: There might be a tackle who's three h five. So

720
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: you got to take all that into account. But I

721
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: just like I like watching them move. I think the

722
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: position drills are fun to watch just because I want

723
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: to see there's some things you can take out of that.

724
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: It's a guy tightened his hips, you know, guy moves

725
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: his feet. How well they move their feet. All that

726
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I think is really really into interesting

727
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: to watch for me because I kind of can throw

728
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: it in. Over the years, I know there have been

729
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: position drills that I've watched and I'm like, dang, lookuy,

730
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: dude flip his hips, Like you see something that maybe

731
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: you don't get a chance to see on film because

732
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: of the way like a defensive back. Sometimes defensive backs

733
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: they play coverages that don't allow a defensive back to

734
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: kind of show some of those skills. But then they

735
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: do some drills and you're like, oh, man, yeah, he

736
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: can actually do it. Why he actually does it really well?

737
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: So I kind of take that out of there. But

738
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: I'll see the question that they asked Man and lup

739
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: running back. Do you think it's in play in this draft?

740
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: Absolutely? I think so too, Because I think so too.

741
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: I want to see. I want to see obviously Damien.

742
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 3: Get back to twenty twenty two, Damien. But we've seen

743
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: flashes of it all throughout in twenty three and twenty four.

744
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: You know, we had the kickoff return in twenty three,

745
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: we had the great game against the Titans in twenty four.

746
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: We had a few other plays. In twenty four, the

747
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: long run against the Patriots, a couple of kickoff returns.

748
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: He still got it. Maybe Nick Cayley can bring it

749
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: out of him.

750
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: But I want another X factor play, meaning I don't

751
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: need to see it day one. I might not need

752
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: to see it day two. In fact, I don't think

753
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 3: I need to see a day two unless there's somebody

754
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 3: that blows them away.

755
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: But day three, I want an.

756
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 3: X factor guy because you don't even have dari on

757
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: the roster right now.

758
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: He's a free agent.

759
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: Maybe they bring him back, maybe they don't, but you

760
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: need somebody regardless, And for what they use Darry for

761
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: it Again, we have a new offensive coordinator, so who

762
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: knows how this features in, But for what they used

763
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: Dara for, I don't know if a rookie does that.

764
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: Let's say it's the same as far as we want

765
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 3: a third down back who is a super reliable pass

766
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 3: protector who can make plays for us in other ways.

767
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 3: I don't know if a rookie is the guy who's

768
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 3: gonna fill that role, but at least.

769
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Speaker 1: Not the first half of the season.

770
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: You would think, and I always wondered, why can't Pierce

771
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: fill that role? Why can't Pierce be that third down guy,

772
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: he can catch the ball.

773
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: Well, I've been begging for this. Well maybe they're different eyes.

774
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: Who's ThEC from Syracuse that we interviewed for the h

775
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: job I'm to play. Yeah, but Jeff Jeff Nixon.

776
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: So he yes, he had the top receiving running back

777
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: in the nation.

778
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Quinn Allen, Yeah, could be caught more passes.

779
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: I think it was sixty eight or something than any

780
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: other running back in FBS. Right, so we still call

781
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: it FBS. I guess can't call it Division one. Yeah,

782
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: but alrightts, you got it. So FCS's championship, that's right.

783
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: BS is BS because it's not bulls anymore. It is bulls,

784
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: but it's it's a championship thing. It is a champions

785
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: geez oh man, Well maybe one day Walter Payton will

786
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: somehow come back and play for the text. I don't know,

787
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: but a man who got to see Walter Payton up

788
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: post and personal is our good friend. The play by

789
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,479
Speaker 1: play voice of the Chicago Bears, Jeff Joniac, will finish

790
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: up the show next on Texans All Access Sevan Everybody

791
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: One final segment This Money at Issue of Texans All Access.

792
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: John Harris, your host. Glad to be with you man.

793
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 1: It's gonna be back on the radio and we're back

794
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: in Houston, back home. That's always great. But going to

795
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: the combine is always fun because we catch up with

796
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: our friends and we know people from throughout the league.

797
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: But we really like talking to our NFC North buddies.

798
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: Paul Allen had a chance to go on his show

799
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: and Jeff Joniac I also got a chance to talk

800
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: Draft on his podcast. Well we had to reciprocate and

801
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: have him on our show. We talked about a lot

802
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 1: of different things. Is a really good conversation, but we

803
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: focused this conversation on kind of what life is like

804
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: with Caleb Williams and the Bears, watching what Jaydon Daniels

805
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: is doing in Washington.

806
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: Jeff Joniac Voice of the Bears with us, Okay, what

807
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: was the reaction in Chicago when Jade and Daniels started

808
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: to erupt this season? It's not like Caleb is not

809
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: a good player. It's not CJ and Bryce Young in

810
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: year one and Bryce Young, I mean that could have

811
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: a happy ending too, because you're playing a whole lot better.

812
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: So you know, stay tuned for everything. But was there

813
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: some buzz locally, of course.

814
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Speaker 5: I mean, you know it's easy to go down that path.

815
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 5: It's low hanging fruit for sure, but you got to

816
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 5: give the guy credit. I mean again, I think we're

817
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 5: learning about college quarterbacks and I don't know if you

818
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 5: guys feel the same. They used to get nicked for. Oh,

819
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 5: like Tyler Schuck right now, he's twenty five, twenty six

820
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 5: years old already, I don't care, right if he's twenty

821
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 5: six coming in the league, he could play for fifteen, thirteen,

822
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 5: twelve years. And it's the experience I think matters now.

823
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 5: And so if a guy plays fifty sixty games like

824
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 5: Jayden Daniels did, I think it got him ready to

825
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 5: step and play and Nicks, Yeah, exactly so. And then

826
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 5: you look at Richardson in Indianapolis and it's just the opposite.

827
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Speaker 5: I mean, he's barely thrown eight hundred passes combined at college.

828
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Speaker 1: And pro tyl One didn't play.

829
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Speaker 5: I need you to play now. I think the game

830
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 5: is so complex and so much pressure packed, and I

831
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 5: know that's not going to be the case for everybody,

832
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 5: because when the money's there, you're gonna go get it right.

833
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Speaker 5: I'm okay with that.

834
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Speaker 1: So but the money's in college, so they stayed in college. Yeah,

835
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Speaker 1: I know. I think that's an interesting dynamic. Were in

836
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: right now, that would be the point that flips I

837
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: think a little bit. I do think, you know, like

838
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: arch Manning is going to be an interesting one. You know,

839
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: he's his family has said it like he doesn't need

840
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: the money. Yeah, you know some guys are declaring for

841
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: the NFL because he needs the money. Yes, but there

842
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: are now some guys staying in college because they are

843
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: getting paid. They can develop for one more year. I mean,

844
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel went to college for nine thousand years and

845
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 1: felt like right, and I think by the end at

846
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: at Oregon it kind of felt like, Yeah, I think

847
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: I finally see him as an NFL prospect. Jeff'm gonna

848
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: ask you a really weird question. Mark and I talked

849
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: about this when we had Deshan Watson. I've actually talked

850
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: to NFL officials about this with Caleb in the way

851
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: that he keeps plays alive and somehow you think he

852
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: did it change the way that you kind of had

853
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: to call the game because oh he's going down for

854
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's not going down for a sec. Did you

855
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: kind of have to change the way that you called it,

856
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: because you know, Caleb moved around as much, and he

857
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: could save a play when it didn't look like a good.

858
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 5: Good experience from Justin Fields.

859
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: Oh that's true. Yeah, that's right, that's right.

860
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 5: I literally and Mark's the best one to bounce this

861
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 5: off of. I I thought plays were over and I

862
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 5: had to keep the mojo going, and it created so

863
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 5: much electricity and great calls honestly with Justin. But yet

864
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 5: there's a timer that you got to kind of mechanize with, right.

865
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 5: I don't know if I explained that correctly. The whistle right,

866
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 5: And so you know, you can't give up because he

867
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 5: does use every blade of grass and every piece of

868
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 5: real estate, and in certain stadiums, especially when he's like

869
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 5: at Soldier Field, when he's coming to the near side

870
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 5: of our booth, which is the west side of the stadium,

871
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 5: you run out of viewing capability in the corners. And

872
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 5: so he made a couple of plays like to DeAndre

873
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 5: Swift or to Roma Duneesa like I just wow, and

874
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 5: you know, and then almost tempting guys to hit him

875
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 5: out of don't take the hit, I got it. Reduce

876
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 5: the amount of hits. Something bad can happen and it

877
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 5: draws flags, but you know, just live for another down.

878
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: You had a little bit of experience with Justin. Then

879
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: I'd forgotten about Justin being there. But I just remember

880
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: having this conversation with Mark about Deshaun, because there would

881
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: be times it looked like DeShawn was down, he was dead,

882
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: play was over, and somehow he's spinning out of it.

883
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: But I had the conversations with the officials because we

884
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: had plenty of times. And I remember there was one

885
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: game where I can't remember which game. I was watching, y'alls,

886
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: and the officials blew him down and he rolled out like, no, no,

887
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: I'm still out here. And I talked to Cleete blake

888
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: Man and he was like, I've told my officials, and

889
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: this was when it was DeShawn. He's like, I finished

890
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: the play, let me do it. I'm gonna let this

891
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: thing play out. And he had to learn to Cleek. Yeah,

892
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: they had Okay, they's good and Cleete learned that for

893
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: himself and Cleete and I think the officials have to

894
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: learn how it is for for Kleb and those guys

895
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: that move, but also it's for YouTube guys calling the

896
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: game to know, Oh he's not down. I've seen I've

897
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: seen this one before, I've seen this movie before. He

898
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: can maybe get out of this. I'm gonna wait until

899
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: he is absolutely down.

900
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 5: Mark went too, because you know, like and I came

901
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 5: from the NBA years during the Jordan era, and you know,

902
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 5: you got to earn your stripes to get the calls,

903
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 5: which I think is flawed. Thinking a foul is a

904
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 5: foul out. You know you're not giving somebody, you know.

905
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 5: I take umbrage with that a little bit. And now

906
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 5: the same conversation's coming with these mobile quarterbacks. You got

907
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 5: to earn your stripes to get the calls?

908
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: Crazy?

909
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 5: What?

910
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

911
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, So I saw Justin didn't get

912
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 5: calls a lot of late hits and it was frustrating

913
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 5: to watch. And it happened with Caleb also, I mean,

914
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 5: do you see.

915
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: That a lot? Well?

916
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: And what's your thought on we played the Chiefs twice? Well,

917
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: and so there was but I've said, but you know,

918
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 3: and our guys said probably too much after the playoff game.

919
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 3: But I was saying it all week before the December

920
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: game and then the playoff game too.

921
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 5: When you it suns whiny though, doesn't.

922
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: It Well, no, I'm not gonna whind about. I'm just

923
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 3: gonna say, get ready forever. When you play a dynasty,

924
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 3: don't expect any favors. You got to go take them down.

925
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: You got to take the king down, and you got

926
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: to play maybe a more perfect game than you would

927
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 3: with another team. So what I've seen us get calls,

928
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 3: you know, in the AFC South, certain games, I've seen

929
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: us get the benefit of a doubt. And I'd like

930
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 3: to think these things even out because in my head,

931
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, oh, there's a holder, there's this, or there's that.

932
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: These officials are human. There's no way you can't take

933
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: into account that that's Patrick Mahomes, that's Tom Brady. The

934
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 3: Brady highlight reel of him getting hit is going around

935
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 3: now because look at Tom Brady. He took so much punishment.

936
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: But what did Brady do? Got rid of the ball fast, right,

937
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: He knew how to avoid the contact and.

938
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't care how yeah, yeah, well you're a big

939
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: dude too.

940
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 5: He knew how to absorb it.

941
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 3: But play by play fascinates me what Johnny's talking about,

942
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 3: because you know, we had to play in the playoff

943
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: game where the snap goes through CJ's hands. He has

944
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: to run it down, run to the sideline, and you're

945
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: thinking your head the whole time, and I'm sure you

946
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: have this too, like this is going to be a

947
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 3: freaking disaster if something magical doesn't happen.

948
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: But that's something magical happens, and you just have to

949
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: be ready for anything.

950
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, you got to be ready for anything. Perfect example,

951
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 5: the Ben Johnson fake Stumble. Yeah, yep, I didn't call

952
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 5: it as a fake. Yeah, you know, I got he stumble.

953
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 5: That's it didn't learn later until it was an actual play.

954
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 5: Something you can't and you know, when Ben Jonson came

955
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 5: into the auditorium, had had a saw to interview with

956
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 5: me before he went to the podium for his introductory

957
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 5: news conference, he goes, how'd you call that play?

958
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: I go, well, you got me? Yeah, how'd you call stumblebump?

959
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 5: You got me?

960
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: That's what he called it, Stumbumblebum. That was the name

961
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: of the place, Stumblebump. I've been around a game a

962
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: long time. You could tell I was incredulo to that name.

963
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: Then again, you come up with a name for everything,

964
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: and sometimes the names don't really matter. You're just trying

965
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: to come up with something. But I know I was

966
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: calling plays a long time ago. I would give my

967
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: players the oppy name his play. Sometimes they could get

968
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: a little out of hand, but every now and again

969
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: there would be that play where they're like, oh yeah,

970
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: let's name it this, and for whatever reason, it became

971
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: that stumblebum look forward in Chicago this year twenty twenty five,

972
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, that was a fun conversation with our buddy

973
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: Jeff Joniek. It was a great conversation with new president,

974
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: new Texas President, Mike Toeman. Appreciate you guys for listening.

975
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow and as always, go Texas.