WEBVTT - Ep 72: Mark Ronson 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:20.200 Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats. 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:26.400 Evening listeners, Welcome to Midnight Chats. Greg here Tonight's guest 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.680 on the podcast is a biggie. I mean, this guy 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.519 has a Wikipedia page just for all the awards that 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:36.880 he's won. Ordinarily, we introduced these podcasts with a bit 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:40.840 of background and information about our guest, but you probably 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.839 already know a fair bit about Mark Ronson, the British 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.960 artist raised in the States, DJ turns songwriter and producer 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:53.520 whose notable work over the past twenty years has stretched 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:57.720 right from The Black Lips through to Paul McCartney and 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.680 of course Amy Winehouse. And you're remember that his work 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.560 as a solo artist was taken to another level in 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.520 late twenty fourteen when he released Uptown Funk. You might 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.480 have heard it, a song that became so ubiquitous that 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:14.920 it's probably one of the few tunes you've seen your 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.520 nephew and your nan dance too. Or maybe you've slid 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:20.760 across a dancer on your knees a wedding with a 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:22.880 tie around your head while the DJ plays it for 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:27.240 the third time I've seen it happen. Listeners, interesting that 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.240 in the conversation you're about to hear Mark talks about 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.520 the legacy of that song five years on and how 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.679 he's overcome that. I guess my general point is there's 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.679 a lot to say about Mark's career, too many famous 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.520 names to drop, so much history that you can obviously 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.119 go out there and look up. So let's get much 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.440 more up to date. Back in early March, I packed 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.400 the podcast gear and went to meet Mark in a 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:55.880 flashy building in Kensington, West London, where his record label 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:59.040 are based. He'd just flown in from the States, was 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:02.080 a little bit jet lagged and was off to a 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.400 music awards ceremony that night to pick up another prize 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.520 for his collection. In terms of the timing, this was 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.200 about a week and a half after you may have 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:15.160 seen him on TV winning an oscar. That's because, along 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.560 with Lady Gaga, he was part of the songwriting team 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.120 for that song Shallow, which appeared on the soundtrack for 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.440 the very successful movie A Star Is Born. But now 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:29.800 his focus is shifting because Mark has a new solo album, 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.360 Late Night Feelings, coming out on the twenty first of June, 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.640 and true to pass form, the list of guests on 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:42.560 it is impressive. You've got Miley Cyrus, Alicia Keys, Ricky Lee, 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.639 to name just a few of those involved. The setting 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.840 for our chat was a very stark, white photo studio 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:51.640 where we pulled up a couple of chairs and I 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:53.520 like to think we got through quite a lot of 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.799 stuff in the time that we had. There are stories 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.720 about Oscar's night not wanting to discover his statue in 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.320 the toilet of a nightclub like he has in the past. 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.400 There's some stuff in there that people who like British 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.480 indie guitar music from two thousand and eight will appreciate. 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.880 Look up the name Anthony ross Amando for footnotes on that. 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.560 What else, jumping into the window of a moving car 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.560 like he does in the Nothing Breaks Like a Heart video, 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.360 Why you won't sing on one of his own tracks again, 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.400 his views on the most important song that he's ever written, 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.680 and how clearing the dance floor with one of your 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.919 own tunes is the ultimate bloody nose if you are 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.080 a DJ. That sounds like it jumps all over the place, 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.080 but I promise it does make sense. Final mention. This 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:42.280 is the penultimate episode of this series of Midnight Chats, 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.640 Series seven. Stuart will bring you the closing episode of 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.480 the Run next week on Thursday at midnight. If you 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.400 are joining us here for the first time right now, welcome. 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.920 There are episodes with everyone from Foles to Stellar, Donnelly, 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.680 viv Albertein to Sleepford Mods. To get into from Run, 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.480 do subscribe to get every new one that we make. 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.360 If you like what you hear, please do ratus and 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.760 comment wherever you're listening, and if you're feeling extra generous, 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:14.360 maybe even share it. But obviously no pressure enough from me. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.159 Let's get into the conversation. This is episode seventy two 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:22.080 of the podcast Mark Ronson talking about late night feelings 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:37.400 and more on Midnight Chats. Mark Ronson, Welcome to Midnight Chats. 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.680 Thank you, no disrespect to anybody else that we have 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.080 on this series of the podcast, but I won't get 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:47.839 the opportunity to say congratulations to them on winning a 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.160 Golden Globe. I think it was a critic's choice Grammy 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:56.440 Oscar in the last few weeks, So congratulations. 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:55.960 Thank you. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.560 Yeah, no, it's pretty crazy. I mean, obviously it's all 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.120 for the song Shallow. I mean we want a Grammy 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.440 for Electricity as well. But I'm not trying to like flex. 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:08.599 I was just staying in the facts. But yeah, it's 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.159 crazy what that song's done. And you know, obviously it 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:13.560 has so much to do with the movie and the 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.960 goodwill to the movie and Lady Gaga's amazing performance and 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.520 the thing of her and Bradley singing the song together 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:24.720 is pretty special. But yeah, it's it's it's crazy. It's 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:28.120 something that I never thought would happen. So I'm very. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:31.240 Grateful, fascinating to know a little bit about the Oscars. 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.240 What was the actual night itself, Like. 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.520 Well, everyone told me, like, we'll get ready. It's really 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.400 boring though, and like all this stuff, and to be honest, 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.800 it really wasn't. It was actually kind of it's so 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.159 different than the music awards shows because it's like in 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.159 this small fitter like Grammys and stuff, Like they're in 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.520 like giant arenas, and so it's like maybe like two 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:56.359 thousand people and you know, you're sitting around really interesting people. 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.080 I happen to be sitting in front of like the 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.720 set designer from The Favor, like the movie happened to 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.800 Love and the sets were amazing, and you know, like 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.279 we weren't in that like first five roads with the 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:14.279 craziness of like the you know, Glenn Close, Olivia Coleman, Gaga, 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.599 you know, like thing, but it was amazing. And then 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.440 to to have your name read from that envelope, it's 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.200 just such a really surreal thing. And to get to 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:28.520 celebrate it with Anthony and Andrew, two really dear friends 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.760 of mine, and and Gaga of course was it was 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.320 like something that might never happen again. 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:35.880 So I definitely relish it. 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.000 In the UK, obviously, news of Olivia Coleman's win was 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:42.080 really greeted with so much goodwill outside of the Stary 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.440 is Born, which obviously you're a fan of. Was the 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.680 favorite the one you were kind of you know it was? 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.520 I think the favorite was like, yeah, after Star was Born, 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.360 like you know, to take taking away all personal involvement, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.919 I think the favorite was probably my favorite, sorry to 0:06:57.960 --> 0:06:59.800 be redundant movie of the year. 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:01.920 I loved Vice as well. 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.760 I haven't seen Beale Street and some of the other ones, 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:06.640 but no, it was, it was great and it was 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.680 such a you could tell Olivia Coleman was so visibly 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:14.640 surprised and she was just great. She gave such a 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:18.640 quintessentially British speech and it was wonderful, and yeah, and 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.120 then we got to kind of meet her a bit afterwards, 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:22.080 which was a big deal. 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.120 And yeah, we get to see the acceptance speeches and 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.560 the media run afterwards and the photos of people on 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.920 the red carpet, But the practicalities of the night you 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.360 went on stage you accepted the award, like you go 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:37.280 out into the corridors of the theater and you do 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.280 all of that stuff. But did you actually get a 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.600 chance to sort of take a moment together with the 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:47.400 people that you wrote Shallow with so yourself, Gaga, Anthony Roussimundo, 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.920 Andrew Wyatt, Like later in the evening, was there a 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.360 moment where all the cameras had gone and all of 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.600 the hustling bustle was out of the way and you 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:57.440 were just like, Gods, I just want to Oscar. 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.560 Yeah, definitely there would be like moments would be we 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.200 were walking down the side thing to like to the 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.720 Governor's Ball, which is the thing you go to immediately 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:09.800 after and that's where you get your statue engraved. 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.320 It's so crazy because also the Grammys like it. 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:17.120 Obviously I'm so thrilled and lucky to want any Grammys, 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:18.840 but they send them to you in the mail. You 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.680 don't actually get anything. The same night the Oscar, they 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:23.360 put the statue in your hand, and if you go 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.680 to the Governor's Ball, you get your engraved thing and 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:27.880 they hook it up right there. So you're like walking 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.360 around the whole rest of the night with the oscar 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:34.040 that says for shallow, Like it's so crazy. And I 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.560 was just so like yeah, and every now and then, 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.240 like even like Lady Gaga would just look and be like, 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.360 can you believe we want to fucking oscar? 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.120 Like it was just yeah. 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.440 And then I went to pick up my girlfriend at 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.520 the Beverly Hills Hotel and I'm like, obviously I can't 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:50.960 even like let go of this thing. 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:51.120 Now. 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:52.960 I'm just like standing waiting. 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.160 By the valet at like the Beverly Hills Hotel because 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.840 that's why she's meeting me on the way to the party, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.800 and like the people are just like, hey, man, oh yeah, 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:02.600 can I take a picture with you in the Oscar? 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.040 Like It's like I wasn't even trying to flex. It's 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.559 just like that first twenty four hours you're just so giddy, 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:10.640 like you just don't even want to like take it 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:11.920 out of your hand for a second. 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:13.600 Whatever you do you don't want to leave it in 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.480 the glove compartment. You don't want to just you know. 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:17.600 I got in trouble one time. 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:21.440 I had to go accept a Q Award for Amy, 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.760 and I think that I left it at the at 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.840 the awards. I think I just like forgot Q Awards 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.800 were like in the middle of the afternoon, and it 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.720 showed up for some reason, that award in the toilet 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.559 of like the Grout show club. And of course, because 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:40.640 of my reputation at the time, I was like partying 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.760 a little. Everybody was like, oh man, it must have 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:44.480 been Mark once. I must have gone in there to 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:46.520 do like drugs or left it in the toilet. I 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.120 totally didn't. I just left it there. And then I 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:53.160 met this guy like six years later who fessed up 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.120 to me that he saw it on the table at 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:56.719 the Q Awards. I left it, and he took it out, 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.319 and they took it out all night with their mates, 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.199 and then they actually accidentally left it while they were 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.760 doing something bad in the toilet at the Croud show clubs. 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.360 So yeah, there was no way that I was ever 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:08.880 going to run the risk of that this time. 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.160 Do you each get an oscar? So everybody was involved 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.240 with the creation of that record, because I wasn't sure 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.280 whether you basically had to sort of take turns in 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:15.760 having it. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.840 You know, No, no, it's really it's cool. They give you, 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:20.920 they give you four so I think it's up to 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.640 four people. Luckily, there are only four songwriters on it, 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.840 so nobody has to fight for that for that last slot. 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.120 One of the piece of reaction that I really enjoyed, 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:31.880 which wasn't after the Oscars. It was after one of 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.880 the earlier ceremonies, possibly the Golden Globes, which was just 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:40.280 a tweet from and fans of British Indie will appreciate this, 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.360 The Cribs butt a tweet. I think they said, Anthony Russamunde, 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.000 this guy just won two Golden Globes or a Golden Globe, 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.960 whatever it was, and he played trumpet on the Goodfellows 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.200 and it was just like, I really like that because 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:53.760 I think it was just a reminder, oh yeah, you 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:57.839 know people, I mean, you've certainly, you know, been a 0:10:57.880 --> 0:10:59.760 part of the grind to get to the point where 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.200 you went in Oscow. But I just thought really pleased random. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:05.480 Of course it was great for Anthony, I mean Andrew's 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:09.120 another guy that came up like making music, like we 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.880 all had our success. Anthony was like in successful indie 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:14.559 bands and like, you know, the first time I ever 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.959 saw him was playing a trumpet on Deadwood the Dirty 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.280 Pretty Things at a gig, and I always loved that song. 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:27.120 And then we became good friends. And Andrew busted his 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.680 ass and bands and making music forever until his early 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.880 thirties when he broke with Mike Snow and the stuff 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.040 that we did together, everybody put in their dudes, you know, 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.920 I started off djak and hip hop clubs in New York, 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.240 like it was a really it's a really cool thing. 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.240 But I like that Andy got the props from like 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.559 the Cribs because it's like I mean Anthony, because he 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.120 really put in his time in the UK indie scene. 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.280 Is it total call back to two thousand and five 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:51.400 and me, I just enjoy that. 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.000 In fact, actually I forgot when we were always going 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:55.920 to his house on he had this He lived in 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.839 Shoreditch and he had this loft like way before it 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.600 was kind of like trying being super gentrified, and he 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.240 had a drum kit and upright piano and it was 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:08.080 always like the end of the night destination. 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:09.600 The bars, pub's clothes. What are we doing? 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.720 All right, We're going back to ants. So we go 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.360 back and we have these jam sessions. And at the 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.959 time I had just met Lady Gaga in two thousand 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.440 and eight maybe nine. She was singing on a track 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.000 for Wilele, this rapper that was signed to our label 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.720 at the time. And you know, we left the studio 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.360 in London, It's eleven at night. I was like, you 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.160 want to come out with my friends and me and 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.160 like have a good time tonight. She was like, yeah, sure, 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.600 So I take it to like some club that everyone 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.040 was hanging out at the time, probably like a bunch 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.280 of Clacksons Anthony. We all go back to Anthony's house 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.560 and we're having this jam session up there and Gaga 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:46.640 is like on the piano and she's like a boss. 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.120 She's giving orders, like to Anthony. She doesn't even know 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.640 he is. She's like, hey, pretty brown eyes, like speed 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.839 it up a little, you know, like Jack Bengatti's on 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:57.839 the base, Like this is like real two thousand and 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.840 eight nine moment, And then she had to go, like 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.880 just dance was just blowing up and she had to 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.720 go to a gig in Birmingham or something, and it 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.600 was like it was one turned into two, turned into 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:14.600 three in the morning, and her tour manager eventually showed 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.840 up and like a double wide, proper tour bus on 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:19.920 this tiny street. I don't even know how you got 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.880 it down, and like rang the buzzer like five in 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:23.320 the morning. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.360 It's like, is Gaga there. They're like, yeah, she's here. 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:27.600 It's like, can you tell her we got to go 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.880 to Birmingham, So like her tour bus had to come 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.040 to like Great Eastern Street to pick her up to 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:33.840 go to this gig because she was just like having 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.120 such a good time jamming with us. And that was 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:37.880 the first time we met. And then to think like 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.520 cut to you know, eight years later we're writing this 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.760 song and ten years later were this awards thing is crazy. 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.240 The stuff we talked about painty jus there. Do you 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:51.360 think that's why it seemed like such an emotional moment. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:55.480 There was a lot of very genuine tears, particularly from Gaga, 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.600 you know, in the speech, but then afterwards when she 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.960 speaks to the media, it did feel like it was 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.600 quite an overwhelming moment, possibly for all of you. Is 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:03.680 that part of the reason why. 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.120 Yeah, it was because like you never expect to be 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.719 on that stage, and you know, even if people tell 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:10.640 you you got a good chance of winning or whatever, 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.439 that is, like you blocked that out because like there 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.920 can always be a upset. You never want to take 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:19.600 anything as a given. It was an emotional moment. It 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:23.840 was to be representing that film, to be up there 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:25.400 with three people that I love. 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.560 And I love making music with. It was it was real. 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:30.520 To get back to work the next day. What did 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.080 you do the morning after the Oscars? 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.280 I think, I like, I think I took I'm always 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:38.560 like way too ambitious and I like book like some 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.160 like boxing session or some crazy shit at like eleven 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.800 in the morning. And and now I know, after like 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:46.920 the fourth time I've canceled, I'm like, what am I 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.880 trying to do here? So actually that day I took 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.440 the day off, which was very nice. And then I 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.720 think I had a meeting with King Princess I was 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:57.600 supposed to do and I was like, I'm sorry, do 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.320 you mind if I skip it today? But then Tuesday 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:02.320 I was back to work. 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:06.000 So yeah, the time that you spend together, the four 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.200 of you in the room making shadow the song that's 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.440 done so well and been recognized by so many people. 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.040 What do you recall from that day or that night 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.440 just put us in that room with you. What was 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.160 it like and how did that song come together? 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:19.840 I think there was a couple of nights. 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.480 Actually there was at least two nights, and I had 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.160 already introduced it to Anthony and Andrew. She knew they 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.640 were my friends. I think she got a good vibe 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.240 from them quickly, and you know, obviously I had been 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.600 working with her on her Joe An albums, so like. 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:35.280 We had this quick. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.160 Bond and everybody, you know, Anthony and Andrew two are like, 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.560 these are like talented songwriters, but these are like emotionally sensitive, 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.520 vulnerable people. I mean, I think most fucking people are. 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.360 And it just felt like in that room there was 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:55.840 like this kind of slightly ghostly feeling, and she we 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:59.000 hed the headphones on, and because she likes to record, 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:01.760 instead of everyone's sitting around the piano kind of singing 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:03.640 out loud, she likes to sing into the mic and 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.600 everyone has their headphones on because the nuance of her 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.240 voice and the different turns that she can take, like 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:13.560 just doing this most subtle different thing she has so 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:17.000 much emotion and different kind of ways to a motentor voice. 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:18.720 They changed the way the song is, so it's really 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.480 helpful to hear that voice up so close. And yeah, 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:22.960 it just. 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.840 I remember there was just like this kind of sensitive 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.400 energy because I feel like everyone was going through some shit. 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.200 I was having, like my big breakup was happening, and 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.160 I don't know exactly about the other guys, but I 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.840 felt everything she was singing that night, and it felt powerful. 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.760 Onto other things. At the end of last year, you 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.680 released Nothing Breaks Like a Heart. Yeah, the first time 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.160 I heard Nothing Breaks Like a Heart. I watched the 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.920 video at the same time, and it's a great video. 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.840 Hopefully people have seen it by now. It features Miley 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:55.960 Cyrus being chased by the police through streets of La. 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.840 It's kind of supposed to be La, I think, I mean, 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.680 we shut it in Kiev, but it's I imagine it's 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.359 like kind of LA. I mean, the most of the 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.480 video is kind of Miley and Roman Gabres's brainchild. But 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.680 I could try and answer any questions as best as possible. 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.560 This one moment where you jump out of a moving 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.679 car and into another car, and I was like, is 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:22.040 that Mark Ronson or is that a stunt person I am. 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.639 I can safely say that it's me landing in the car, 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:29.160 but I'm not doing the jumping off of I remember 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.080 I watched this video treatment and I was like, listen, 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:36.000 like Miley Cyrus is like one of the most charismatic 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.160 pop stars in the world. Like, I'm not trying to 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.800 like overdo my FaceTime in this video. But I read 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.240 the treatment and I was like, kind of barely in it, 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:45.720 and I was like, well, at least can I like 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.119 jump from a moving car or something, or is there 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:49.600 enough money left in the budget? 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.720 Was it like a throwaway comment or were you like no, Like. 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:55.320 I was like, I want to do some fast and 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.000 furious shit, like I want to jump from a moving car. 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:00.600 So at least when I'm I have my little scene 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.720 in this video, it's it's kind of memorable. And that's 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:04.600 how it came about. 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.960 How have you felt, broadly about the reaction to the song. 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:12.360 I'm super like, you know, happy, because you know, obviously, 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.920 usually when I put out a new song, it doesn't 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.199 sound a lot like anything else going on on the 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.440 radio the charts at that time, so it's always a 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.720 little bit of a gamble, but you know, you start 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.520 with the song you really believe in, and then you 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:30.320 kind of like ford to fight with all these other elements. Okay, 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:32.680 like let's make sure it's like dancing. And then obviously 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.560 Miley is an incredible singer and one of the biggest 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.560 stars in the world, so that's not gonna hurt. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:40.480 It's great. 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:42.600 And I guess the thing is like when you come 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.520 out with a song that doesn't sound like anything else 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.440 and has a chance to do well, that's when you 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.680 really like that song gets really felt because I think 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.359 the biggest songs I've ever been involved with, like rehab A, 0:18:56.440 --> 0:19:00.240 Locked Out of Heaven or Uptown Funk, like they don't 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.359 tell like anything else at the time, so they really 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:04.639 stand out if they get if they do get big. 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:09.520 So I'm super fucking psyched that people have, you know, 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:13.000 fuck with it in the way that they have, and I'm. 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:13.120 Proud of it. 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.680 And you know, it's like, I guess it's got some 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.359 more emotional depth, and like usually when I'm working on 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.600 other people's records, I'm like, well, that's why I do 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.000 serious music, you know, working with Queens of the Stone 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.399 Age or Lady Gaga and my own records should be 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:28.400 fun because that's what people want from me because I'm 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.119 a DJ. And then this with this record because of 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.159 shit going on in my personal life, and I was 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:37.000 like confronted with stuff that like I really kind of 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:40.960 had no choice but to put the emotions first. And 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:43.600 then you got to find a way to still make 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.720 it feel like a pop record, and that's a challenge, 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.160 and that's a fun challenge too. 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.960 You mentioned having worked with Miley and like the fact 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:54.760 that she has not just an incredible voice and the 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:59.040 performance on that track is phenomenal, also that she's very, 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.040