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Speaker 1: Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, it is our day, Yes it is, and

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Speaker 2: that's coming right out. Good morning, everybody. Father's Day. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's our day. How do you like that? I'm May

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Speaker 2: Furman Bucket Brooks my partner, and we are Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Sunday and Fox Sports Radio. By the way, we're broadcasting

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Speaker 2: live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. In a way

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Speaker 2: we go, by the way, a little history lesson because

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Speaker 2: I've been told by many people I don't have a

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Speaker 2: lot between my years, but really I think I do

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Speaker 2: because I do a little things here that we have

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Speaker 2: to educate and entertain at the same time. And by

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Speaker 2: the way, people don't even realize the history of Father's Day.

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Speaker 2: Father's Day was first proposed when back in nineteen oh

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Speaker 2: nine by Sonora Smart Dodd, who wanted to honor her father,

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Speaker 2: who basically was a Civil War veteran who raised her

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Speaker 2: and raised her siblings all alone. The first Father's Day

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Speaker 2: when celebrated June nineteenth, nineteen ten, where in Spokane, Washington, Okay.

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Speaker 2: And it gained some traction after that, and it was

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Speaker 2: that it became a permanent national holiday according to who

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Speaker 2: the History Channels.

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Speaker 3: How do you like that?

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on right now. And I wanted to

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Speaker 2: talk about Father's Day for a second. I want to

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Speaker 2: pull back the curtain, if I may, If I may,

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Speaker 2: please permit me for just a minute, okay, because I

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Speaker 2: listened to these shows on Father's Day during the year

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Speaker 2: and all the hosts are saying, what are you gonna

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Speaker 2: do on Father's Day? Well, the best thing I want

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Speaker 2: to do is be left alone? All right, I think

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Speaker 2: that's kind of passe. I'm going to pull back the

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Speaker 2: curtain and say what it's like to be a dad.

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Speaker 2: And I love my dad and he's no longer with us,

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Speaker 2: but he kind of got me started in the world

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Speaker 2: of sports. Basically, he knew nothing about sports. He could

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Speaker 2: care less about sports. But I remember very distinctly that

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Speaker 2: on Sunday evenings he would take me to Madison Square

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Speaker 2: of got a kick out of that as a kid.

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Speaker 2: As a kid growing up in Brooklyn, New York. I

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Speaker 2: remember we drove by was then Ebbittsfield. I may not

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers played before they moved to La drove by

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Speaker 2: that place one evening. It was a big edifice, lights shining,

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Speaker 2: a lot of noise inside. I asked my mom and dad.

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Speaker 2: I asked my dad in particular, what is that? What's

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Speaker 2: Well, the Dodgers had left town, they were gone. But

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Speaker 2: he did manage to take me and a cousin of

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Speaker 2: So I did manage before it was torn down to

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Speaker 2: go inside Ebitsfield and Brooklyn. So that was my start

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Speaker 2: But being a dad, you know, I think being a

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Speaker 2: dad is a wonderful opportunity than I am. I'm a

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Speaker 2: i'll pull back the curtain and tell you, my wife

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Speaker 2: and I went to Bulgaria to adopt these young boys

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Speaker 2: when they were three and four, all right, and I

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Speaker 2: followed them every minute of their actions. It took them

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Speaker 2: When was the sports nut still is and the other

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Speaker 2: and they messed together very nicely. However, however, I would

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Speaker 2: My wife and I and he played three sports. In

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Speaker 2: there all the time for him. I think that's the

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Speaker 2: job of the dad. And speaking of dads, is one

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Speaker 2: of the best dads on God's Green Earth. Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks, Happy Father's Day to you, my friend.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm great, Andy? Whatsout you?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: I want to hear what it's like to be a dad.

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Speaker 2: I know you have some beautiful kids, and what is

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Speaker 2: And you know, not only what you want to do

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Speaker 3: You know, how tough was it? How wonderful is it?

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Speaker 5: No, obviously is great and is great for me because

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Speaker 5: Of have the shared experience, right, So you talk about

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Speaker 5: funds and the throwback night you're of being a boy

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Speaker 5: able to support them in their various endeavors. It's different,

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Speaker 5: it's unique. It's a lot different than I ever imagine

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Speaker 4: Your own house and watching my dad.

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Speaker 5: So you try to take the things that you like,

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Speaker 4: To pay it forward. So it's been a wonderful rye.

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Speaker 5: You know, twenty one eighteen year old trying to do

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Speaker 5: kind of watch them grow and be independent on their own.

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Speaker 3: And they're very lucky to have a dad like you.

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Speaker 3: So happy Father's Day to you.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll be surprised, and a lot of loving

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Speaker 2: today in the Brooks household. Now we move along. First

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Speaker 2: of all, we want to welcome our guy Patrick. Patty's back,

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Speaker 2: a executive director, executive director, slash producer.

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Speaker 3: Patty. Welcome back, Oh are you.

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Speaker 6: I'm doing great, it's glad to be back. Guys. Hey,

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Speaker 2: Know you're probably not happy to be back, but no

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Speaker 2: one likes to work. But oh come on, you know

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Speaker 2: one of the laziest guys on God's okay. Now, really

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Speaker 2: we love having your back here. It's great because you

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Speaker 2: and I'm glad you had a good.

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Speaker 6: Restless Oh yeah, thank you, thank you. It wasn't really

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Speaker 6: good rest. But also last Sunday when I was waking up,

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Speaker 6: I miss Andy, I miss Buggy, I miss the guys.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, come on, all right, I mean you're lying

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Speaker 2: we move along, I say, fit to be tired. Let's

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Speaker 2: talk about the NBA playoffs buck if we can. I

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Speaker 2: mean two games now each Monday night, game five in

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma City. First of all, I don't understand the scheduling

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Speaker 2: I guess TV has something to do with that. But

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Speaker 3: I don't get that at all.

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Speaker 4: Know, I know, like they like to stretch out the finals.

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Speaker 5: They have it all set up, the formula is always

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Speaker 4: A little odd. You would think that you would take

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Speaker 2: No doubt about that, okay, And going into the playoffs

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Speaker 2: the storyline right there. And I'm going to go back

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Speaker 2: to Friday's game for a second. You move that game

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, the Big Time Operation. Okay, it was

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Speaker 2: very competitive. SGA had fifteen points in the last quarter.

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Speaker 2: a great competitive game. I don't care what the market is.

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Speaker 2: This is turning out to be a very competitive, super

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Speaker 3: It really is.

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Speaker 2: People are saying Oklahoma City and four, Oklahoma City in five.

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Speaker 2: I'm not one of those guys that can predict the future.

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Speaker 2: If I did, I'd be a millionaire. I buy a lottery.

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Speaker 2: I just don't predict the future. So I watch it,

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Speaker 3: I'm learning. I'm seeing right now that it's a great series.

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Speaker 2: And maybe there's no superstar right now, but certainly there

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Speaker 5: To me, it's been fan task that you can see

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Speaker 4: It's right there for you if you're paying attention. It's

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Speaker 5: And so whether it's a small market to small market

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Speaker 4: Been great basketball.

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Speaker 5: And it's unfortunate that some people aren't watching because of

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Speaker 5: the nature of TV and those things. But Man, Indiana,

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt.

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what though over the years I

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Speaker 2: now I am simply because this small market kind of

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Speaker 2: the TV thing, as you just mentioned, the TV Adam

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Speaker 2: Silda had a kind of state of the Union State

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Speaker 2: lowest since two thousand and seven. And except when during

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Speaker 2: the Lakers Bubble championship year in twenty twenty, all right,

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Speaker 2: then silver came back. They said that Indianapolis and Oklahoma

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Speaker 3: Captured by the finals.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't understand why media people are so concerned

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Speaker 2: with TV ratings and attendants that's all I hear. You

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Speaker 2: Maybe you can answer that for me. Why are media people,

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Speaker 2: especially print media people, so concerned with attendance figures in

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Speaker 5: That's the only reason why you were justified, because most

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Speaker 2: You hit it right in the head, and I'll tell

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Speaker 5: can't argue me off that point. The ratings fall into

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Speaker 3: No doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: I felt kind of bad for Adam silver brook Us.

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Speaker 2: So it's back twenty years ago. We often didn't win

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Speaker 2: in Look, it's a different era. You can't compare it

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Speaker 3: That was it.

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Speaker 2: let's get back to the ball game right now. Let's

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Speaker 2: talk about Oklahoma City. I looked at the statuet and

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Speaker 2: it means that the Indiana Pacers had to force Oklahoma

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Speaker 2: So they had to go one on one and that's

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Speaker 2: it was a shame. The way they lost was basically

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Speaker 2: they blew a couple of free throws down the stretch

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Speaker 3: They really did, so we'll see what happened.

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Speaker 2: I think that was the key to it game, that

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Speaker 2: the defense was so smothering by Indiana they only God,

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Speaker 2: I love it assist Oklahoma City did and now is

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Speaker 3: But they blew it on the foul line.

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Speaker 5: I mean they held them well below their normal average

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Speaker 4: When you look at the game.

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Speaker 5: When you looked at the game, it felt like Indiana

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Speaker 5: It's exactly how Rick Carlisle and the Pacers wanted Oklahoma

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Speaker 5: that stings. Now, it doesn't quite sting like the way

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Speaker 5: the Conference finals. But sometimes it can be tough to

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Speaker 5: having lingering effects. We'll see if they can play that

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Speaker 5: well going forward and play that well and win, because

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Speaker 5: this should have been a three to one lead in

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Speaker 5: favor Indiana. Now they go back to OKC with a

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Speaker 3: No doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: It's very hard to win a basketball game, especially an

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Speaker 3: What do I mean by that?

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma City was three of seventeen on the three point attempts,

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Speaker 2: which is about seventeen to eighteen percent. The thunder made

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Speaker 2: thirty four to three throws in that game, and Jalen

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Speaker 2: Friday Night. But the Pacers they led by as many

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Speaker 2: The hell with that. Start shooting the ball. I want

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Speaker 2: carry them. It's great that he's a team player and

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Speaker 2: lot of feeding of assists. Keep the ball, tyres, keep

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Speaker 5: He is being able to get away this series with

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Speaker 5: good thing if you're Indiana, you've seen that the rest

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Speaker 5: But if they're going to win the series, if they're

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Speaker 5: they're going to need Halliburton to step his game up.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna have to play like an all star.

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Speaker 2: Well, in the fourth quarter, he was back to himself

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Speaker 2: what happens, but you know the pace, If they just

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Speaker 3: If should have, could have, would have.

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Speaker 2: But the point is now that ain't got to go

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Speaker 2: good series. But on a Monday night, really, come on, Adam,

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Speaker 2: you're better than that. I don't get it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Monday night, I'm gonna watch it. You're gonna watch it.

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Speaker 2: Most of America will, maybe maybe Mondays a good night,

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Speaker 2: minor league football playing UFCUC Yeah, whatever the heck it is.

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Speaker 2: But maybe they're better off on a Monday night.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Maybe it's a way to captivate prime time. It is

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Speaker 5: such an odd thing, though, tonight have the weekend. I

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Speaker 5: To not take advantage of a Saturday setting when everyone

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Speaker 4: To do it.

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Speaker 5: But I think this is all a really of the

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Speaker 5: It's all about trying to create these tent pole events,

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Speaker 2: And maybe it was done because Indiana right now, the

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Speaker 2: Square one ground zero for basketball at least this weekend

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Speaker 2: because they had the WNBA there yesterday. Maybe that was

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Speaker 2: O two eighty eight. Clock finished with thirty two points,

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Speaker 2: she went seven and fourteenth and three twenty five points

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Speaker 2: But I got to ask you this. I mean, they

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Speaker 2: this to you, but I'm going back to the TV

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Speaker 2: deal and the viewership dipped in her absence. The two

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Speaker 2: three thousand. I've checked this out. That's down forty percent

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Speaker 3: A million viewers.

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Speaker 2: Why is she such an attraction? I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do they do this to Lebron? Do they

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Speaker 2: do this to other people? But why her? Is she

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Speaker 2: that much of an attraction? I enjoy watching the WNBA

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Speaker 2: maybe she sucked me into watching it, But is she

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Speaker 4: Yeah? She obviously is.

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Speaker 5: I mean she came with a radio made following having

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Speaker 5: you had a chance to really fall in love with

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Speaker 5: Caitlin Clark in her game. She takes that leverages it

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Speaker 5: as she comes into the WNBA a star from Middle

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Speaker 5: America where people can identify with her, love her game,

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Speaker 5: celebrate her success as a player. And then she stays

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Speaker 5: in a midwestern town in Indiana where the fandom just

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Speaker 5: continues to grow because that's the middle of the Big

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Speaker 5: ten country. To me, it's the perfect storm in terms

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Speaker 5: of how to build up a brand, how to set

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Speaker 5: the brand apart from everything else, and everything revolves.

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Speaker 4: Around the brand, which is her.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, she has a look, a tremendous following,

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Speaker 5: and then when you add in some of the politicized stuff,

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Speaker 5: some of the racial part of it, like she's captivating

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Speaker 5: and it's unfortunate that that is a part of it,

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Speaker 5: but she is must see TV. She's that good. And

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Speaker 5: then when she comes back after her layoff and gives

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Speaker 5: you a thirty piece. It's really far. It's really easy

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Speaker 5: to fall in love with someone who is a terrific player,

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Speaker 5: has a little flare with the game, no.

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Speaker 2: Talk about my favorite team, the New York Knicks. They're

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Speaker 2: looking for a coach and it shouldn't really be too hard.

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Speaker 2: It should be as hard as it is right now

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Speaker 2: because the buck there's only thirty jobs, and I've got

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Speaker 2: to believe people would love the shot, especially the coach

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Speaker 2: of New York. I mean, I think people are going

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Speaker 2: to salivate. You know, coaching to me is like being

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Speaker 2: a father Flanagan figure back back in their father Flanagan

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Speaker 2: with the boys' home in Nebraska. Well know what I

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Speaker 2: mean by that. You know, every team has a problem.

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Speaker 2: Every team may have a sort of a manager, a

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Speaker 2: general manager, or an owner that is kind of difficult

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Speaker 2: to work with. But everybody, every coach, thinks they're a

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Speaker 2: father Flanagan, that they could change that and turn it

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Speaker 2: around and work with that guy.

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Speaker 3: Don't you agree.

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Speaker 2: Every coach coming into a situation thinks, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: I could do it.

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Speaker 3: You know, he didn't do it, but I think I

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Speaker 3: could do it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, well, you have to understand it's a

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Speaker 5: privilege to have an opportunity to be the leader of

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Speaker 5: a franchise. And no matter what we can talk about

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Speaker 5: the franchise on the outside looking in, and when you

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Speaker 5: have one of those coveted jobs, it's one that you

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Speaker 5: feel like you can do what's necessary to be a

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Speaker 5: long term member and leader of that team.

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Speaker 4: And even though we can talk.

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Speaker 5: About the messiness of the Knicks and talk about how

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Speaker 5: crazy the ownership is or how the lack of support

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Speaker 5: or whatever, there is always someone who, from an ego standpoint,

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Speaker 5: believes that they're the right fit. They're the right one,

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Speaker 5: they can make the changes and look that it remains

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Speaker 5: to be seen, but that's what it always is. And

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Speaker 5: everyone who stands on the sidelines, they all have a

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Speaker 5: healthy dose of ego to believe that they can do

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Speaker 5: the impossible, they can pull off the improbable. And someone

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Speaker 5: is going to sit there and walk into imaggy and

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Speaker 5: feel like, hey, I can do this, regardless of the

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Speaker 5: circumstances to people around me, how they feel about this franchise.

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Speaker 5: I have enough to know how to be able to

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Speaker 5: get this done. And somebody's going to take the job

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Speaker 5: and we'll see. We'll be able to evaluate them like

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Speaker 5: we've evaluated the many other coaches that have had the

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Speaker 5: opportunity to lead us franchise.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so The million dollar question is why are the

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Speaker 2: Knicks still looking Okay, that's the question right now, because

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Speaker 2: you would think it's a covided job.

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Speaker 3: The team did rather well.

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Speaker 2: They had fifty plus win seasons the last two years,

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Speaker 2: went to the Easton Finals.

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Speaker 3: This year.

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Speaker 2: You would think that boom, they gobble up a coach.

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Speaker 2: Right now, people will be salivating to coach that team.

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Speaker 5: I think maybe they underestimated or overestimated the pool in

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Speaker 5: the allure of the New York next maybe they underestimated

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Speaker 5: how good Tom Tibodeaux was and to find someone who

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Speaker 5: has a resume that exceeds what he brought to the

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Speaker 5: table is difficult. I mean, you could talk about, oh,

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Speaker 5: the natural thoughts that were can go get Malone and

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Speaker 5: Mike Belane from the Nuggets were gonna come and he

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Speaker 5: would take it over. But Malone like Tibbs. Yeah, Malone

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Speaker 5: is more like TIBs than not like TIBs, you know.

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Speaker 5: And then when you think about, oh, we'll just poach

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Speaker 5: another another team's player. I mean some of this is

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Speaker 5: not only New York, but New Yorkers believe that everything

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Speaker 5: in New York is always better than everything anything somewhere else,

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Speaker 5: and they overshot know, no, unfortunately, hate to tell you that, no,

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Speaker 5: it's not. I know there's a New York bias that

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Speaker 5: that it's just out there, but there are things that

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Speaker 5: exist outside of the boroughs, and they have decided, like

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Speaker 5: I'm Udoka from Houston, Jason Kidd, they were not granted permission.

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Speaker 5: Chris Finch from Minnesota did not give them permission to talk.

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Speaker 5: And now you're looking around at the candidate pool in

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Speaker 5: who has a better resume than Tom Thiberdau. Tom Thibodeau

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Speaker 5: took this team to the Eastern Conference finals, something that

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Speaker 5: they hadn't accomplished in a long time.

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Speaker 4: It's not an easy job to pick up.

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Speaker 5: Look, may maybe they can lure somebody out of retirement

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Speaker 5: to be able to do it, But there's no one

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Speaker 5: right now on the streets who has a better resume

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Speaker 5: or could do it better than what Tom Tiberdeau did.

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Speaker 4: And I think they're coming to that realization.

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Speaker 5: I've even heard people talk about what about Frank Vogel,

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Speaker 5: and I was like, I mean, fran Vogel won a title,

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Speaker 5: but like he's been fired two or three times since he.

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Speaker 4: Got it done. I mean, like, that's no disrespect to him.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, if you're gonna talk about frame Vogel like

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Speaker 5: you can make the debate that, well, if you're gonna

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Speaker 5: do that, you probably should have stayed the course that

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Speaker 5: you're on given the success that TIBs had with that roster.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. First, I wanted to get some

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Speaker 2: kudos to TIBs. The way he went out went out

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Speaker 2: really on top. He went out as a class individual.

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Speaker 3: He took a full.

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Speaker 2: Page add out in the New York Times earlier this

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Speaker 2: week thanking the fans of New York City for his support.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's unbelieve. That's big time money, full page

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Speaker 2: ed the New York Times. So you don't usually see

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Speaker 2: a lot of coaches doing that.

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Speaker 3: So that was great.

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Speaker 2: Number two is the fact that what he did, what

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Speaker 2: he accomplished with that team, and really and truly I

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Speaker 2: got to believe that this was in the in the

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Speaker 2: in the works. I mean, he had to do at

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Speaker 2: least win it all to keep his job. He did

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Speaker 2: something to alienate somebody somewhere in that organization, probably either

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Speaker 2: Leon Rose, a general manager, or maybe the ownership himself.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because they're paying him something like thirty

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Speaker 2: million to walk away. That's unheard of. So he really

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Speaker 2: had to tick somebody off to do that.

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Speaker 5: So that I mean to me, I think it'd be

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Speaker 5: hard to tick off. I think would be hard to

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Speaker 5: tick off his former agent, Leon Rose, to me, that

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Speaker 5: seems like an ownership deal. You know that there was

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Speaker 5: something that the owner didn't like it, and he necessarily

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Speaker 5: drove the change. Does mean because it just didn't make sense.

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Speaker 5: It just makes sense for the knew it, but they

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Speaker 5: did it. Having it's done, look it's over. They have

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Speaker 5: to figure out a way to make it better for them.

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Speaker 5: But man, this is kind of bananas Andy when you

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Speaker 5: think about it.

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Speaker 2: You know, and I'm handing out kudos we want to Tibbs,

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Speaker 2: but I'm handing out a kuno to Bernie Bickerstaff, the

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Speaker 2: coach of the Detroit Pistons. He's the only coach in

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Speaker 2: the NBA that stood up and said what they what

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Speaker 2: the Knicks did to Tibbs was disgusting, and I give coda.

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Speaker 2: I don't know Bernie Bickerstaff a madam. I couldn't pick

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Speaker 2: him up in a lineup, but I give him a

625
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Speaker 2: hug right now if I saw him. He's the only

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Speaker 2: coach in the league that stood up and said it's disgraceful,

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Speaker 2: it was wrong, and it's really silly what the Knicks

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Speaker 2: did to Tibbs, And I thank you, Bernie Bickerstaff.

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Speaker 4: I mean one hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's crazy, it's nuts. It's just it's just

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Speaker 5: a crazy thing to see. So they shouldn't do it.

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Speaker 5: They need to. They needed to give him an opportunity

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Speaker 5: to fully do it given the success that he had.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, sometimes you just can't.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes the unexplainable happens when it comes to why franchises

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Speaker 5: make the decisions that they made. Because this one certainly

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Speaker 5: didn't make a lot of sense given the success that

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Speaker 5: they had.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy. Now they as you mentioned, the Knicks had

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Speaker 2: the rejections. I don't know why these other teams rejected

642
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Speaker 2: the Knicks, but Dallas, Houston and Minnesota their coaching staff

643
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Speaker 2: is going to be intact. And I think initially, and

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Speaker 2: I said this to you early on, they wanted Jason Kidd.

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Speaker 2: Why with kid coach Jiannis in Milwaukee, and the Knicks

646
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Speaker 2: thought they could maybe lower Yannis to New York if

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Speaker 2: they get Jason Kidd as a coach, and that thing

648
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: is dead right now, but the Knicks and now set

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Speaker 2: for interviews with Mike Brown, the former King's coach, and

650
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Speaker 2: Taylor Jenkins, the former Memphis coach. Really, I mean, come on,

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Speaker 2: I'd sooner see a college coach come in there with

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Speaker 2: aggression then then get those guys that are just well,

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Speaker 2: Mike Brown could get it done, but I don't know

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Speaker 2: if he could make it in New York.

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Speaker 3: You know, you got to be fairly thick skinned to

656
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Speaker 3: make it.

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Speaker 2: In New York really as a coach, because it's not

658
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Speaker 2: the coaching aspect. It's not the ex's and o's, it's

659
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Speaker 2: this you throughout distractions. It's the newspapers as the media.

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Speaker 2: You know, really and truly that's the problem. If you

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Speaker 2: can handle that, you're okay. I'm not so certain Mike

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Speaker 2: Brown can handle it.

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Speaker 4: Hmm. You know, I think Mike Brown can handle it.

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Speaker 2: I think he can handle everything, every aspect of the job,

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Speaker 2: except that maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I just it's tough, you know it, it's tough.

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Speaker 4: I think he certainly can.

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Speaker 5: Like I think he certainly is built to Hendley, given

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Speaker 5: what he had to endure when he had to coach Lebron.

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Speaker 5: Like just thinking about all the pressure that was on

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Speaker 5: him for that. He dealt with the crazy situation in

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Speaker 5: Sacramento where I mean, much like Tip though, he got

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Speaker 5: the team up and going and then they move on

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Speaker 5: for no reason.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think he'd be okay with it.

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Speaker 5: But the thing that I don't realize is, man, is

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Speaker 5: that gonna move the needle in New York?

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Speaker 4: You know that?

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Speaker 5: Is that gonna move the needle where they feel like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: we're much better off because we got Mike Brown. Is

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Speaker 5: Mike Brown the one that is the needle mover? I

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Speaker 5: don't think so well.

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Speaker 2: And look, you talk about a guy got a bad deal.

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Speaker 2: We talked about Tims getting a bad deal. But remember

685
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Speaker 2: when he was coaching the Lakers. Was he fired after

686
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Speaker 2: five games in the second year? I mean that that's

687
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Speaker 2: ridiculous too. I mean he got screwed right, but he

688
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Speaker 2: spent what six years Golden State assistant. Then he was

689
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Speaker 2: coaching the Kings two two, and the Kings did make

690
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Speaker 2: the playoffs that year, but they didn't get to the

691
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Speaker 2: players the following year, but he did win forty six games.

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Speaker 2: He was fired last year if the Kings got up

693
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Speaker 2: to a thirteen and eighteen start. These owners right now

694
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Speaker 2: equipped to pull a trigger, more so in basketball, I

695
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Speaker 2: think than any other sports.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's why bicker Staff stood up and said,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, you know, coaching staffs coaches here need

699
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Speaker 2: just a little more respect than they're not getting it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like, look, it's a tough job right now.

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Speaker 4: It's a tough tough job. Market. Coaches aren't respected.

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Speaker 5: It's all about the players, and there's a lack of

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Speaker 5: accountability when it comes to players in terms of like

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Speaker 5: ownership holding players accountable for the team's performance. There's also

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Speaker 5: a lack of respect for what coaches do, and it's

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Speaker 5: unfortunate because there are a lot of good coaches who

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Speaker 5: have been dismissed or who are being dismissed over things

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Speaker 5: that aren't necessarily completely under controlled. And so hopefully there'll

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Speaker 5: be a market correction where you guys, we'll get more

711
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Speaker 5: time to enact their plan and go through their process

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Speaker 5: as they think about building a team being in the

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Speaker 5: championship team that can sustain itself.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you mentioned the word players.

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Speaker 2: This automatically the light went on here and I saw

716
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Speaker 2: this the end of the day and I'm shocked again

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Speaker 2: Kevin Durant is on the trading block again. This is

718
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Speaker 2: a guy that averaged almost twenty seven points a game,

719
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: six boards, and four assisted game for the Phoenix Suns.

720
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Speaker 2: Suns didn't make the playoffs. He's one of those guys,

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Speaker 2: you know, And I'm not going to compare him to

722
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Speaker 2: Will Chamberlain statistically because you can't but comparing that great stats,

723
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Speaker 2: but really doesn't accomplish much because he can't get his

724
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Speaker 2: team to the postseason. He's thirty six years of age.

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Speaker 2: Does he Is there a market for him? I mean

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Speaker 2: there is. There's some teams looking and they have a

727
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Speaker 2: list and they said san Antonio maybe one of them,

728
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Speaker 2: maybe the Knicks as well. But at thirty six, I

729
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Speaker 2: guess he said, look, you look at Lebroni's forty one.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's still getting it done. He's superhuman.

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Speaker 2: But why all of a sudden there's a guy like

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Speaker 2: this who's a star, a fifteen time NBA All Star,

733
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Speaker 2: going to be on the move again. There's something missing

734
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Speaker 2: there where you have a guy like that you would

735
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Speaker 2: want to keep being an anchor of your team.

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Speaker 3: I don't get it.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I mean, I mean, I don't know if there's

738
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Speaker 5: anything that's missing. I think some of it is. He's

739
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Speaker 5: kind of pulled the trigger on some of those moves

740
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Speaker 5: when it comes to leaving Brooklyn, going to Phoenix, look

741
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Speaker 5: voluntarily leaving Golden State as a free agent to go

742
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Speaker 5: do it.

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Speaker 4: But you know, it's a different time.

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Speaker 5: It's funny, right, we love when people stick and pick,

745
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Speaker 5: but when people bounce around, we wonder why what are

746
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Speaker 5: they chasing?

747
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Speaker 4: Is he ring chasing? Is he chasing happiness? What is

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Speaker 4: the deal?

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Speaker 5: Well, Kevin Durant is an older player now, and how

750
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Speaker 5: much can we count on him in terms of like

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Speaker 5: being the guy that can lead a franchise or take

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Speaker 5: a franchise to.

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Speaker 4: The next level. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I think Lebron is an outlier, very much like Tom

755
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Speaker 5: Brady was an outlier in the NFL and everyone namely

756
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Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson. Uh, those guys are chasing that

757
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Speaker 5: trying to be a great player later in life in

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Speaker 5: the Twilight.

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Speaker 4: That's kind of where Kevin Durant is.

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Speaker 5: He's a great player, but I don't know if he's

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Speaker 5: going to be able to walk in, walk off in

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Speaker 5: the sunset with a championship no matter where he goes.

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Speaker 3: He did.

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Speaker 2: He did some ring chasing when he was in Oklahoma City,

765
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Speaker 2: went to Golden State. He got some heat for that,

766
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Speaker 2: no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: Win.

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Speaker 3: You got to carry it and he couldn't do it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but no one can do it on their

770
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Speaker 5: own like that. That's also a thing that's something that

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Speaker 5: we've created on outside Andy, the myth that every super player,

772
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Speaker 5: every great players, John Wayne and they go through the

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Speaker 5: ok shootout and.

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Speaker 4: They fire up and light up everybody.

775
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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 5: There are not many players that have done it without

777
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Speaker 5: the assistance of not only a great teammates with great coaches.

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Speaker 4: They're not many.

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Speaker 5: Typically, it takes great players to make great coaches. And

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Speaker 5: you can also say that through your works in reverse.

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Speaker 2: Here we go once again the why I'm gonna say

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Speaker 2: wise old but the wise man, Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy

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Speaker 2: Fermerwi a Fox Sports Sunday in Fox Sports Radio as

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Speaker 2: Bucky coming up next.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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788
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Speaker 2: It's Bucky right around the Corners about eleven minutes now

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Speaker 2: before the top of the hour. This is Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Sunday on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: Here's Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andy Furman, and now it is time live from

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Speaker 2: the Fox Sports Radio studios, this time for as Bucky.

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Speaker 2: All right, Patty, our executive producer, you got a question

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Speaker 2: for Buck, go right ahead.

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Speaker 6: All right, well, I'll start us off right here, guys. So, Bucky,

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Speaker 6: here's my question to you. Earlier actually reported Ben Roethlisberger

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Speaker 6: actually talked about, you know, Aaron Rodgers going to Pittsburgh

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Speaker 6: and all that stuff. He actually said that even on

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Speaker 6: his Football In with Ben Roethlisberger podcast, that he does that.

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Speaker 6: Ben Roethlisberger does not think that Aaron Rodgers has got

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Speaker 6: much more after this year, and it's probably gonna be

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Speaker 6: one year he probably retires. My question you, Bucky, is

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Speaker 6: do you agree to Do you think this is Rogers

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Speaker 6: actual last year?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I think this is it.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 5: Look, I know he wants to extend it. I feel

810
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Speaker 5: like he could have been done the last two or

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Speaker 5: three years, but this is it. This has to be

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Speaker 5: the finale, the swans. He has to walk up into

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Speaker 5: the twilight, the sunset after this year, because I can't

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Speaker 5: imagine him lifting the Stillers to higher heights. If he

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Speaker 5: doesn't get that, he doesn't get it done, they have

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Speaker 5: to move on and find a franchise quarterback, which kind.

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Speaker 4: Of leaves Aaron Rodgers out in the cold.

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Speaker 2: There you go, okay, And speaking of quarterbacks, bucket broke.

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Speaker 2: So Dallas quarterback Dak Prescott says he needs to win

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Speaker 2: a Super Bowl for his sanity.

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Speaker 3: What the hell does that mean?

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Speaker 4: You know what it means?

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Speaker 5: Like the Dallas Cowboys are the most polarizing franchise international

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Speaker 5: Football League, and every opportunity that we have to take

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Speaker 5: a shot at the Cowboys for not winning the Super

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Speaker 5: Bowl ultimately falls on Dak. Dak understands that he's a

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Speaker 5: quarterback of America's team. He knows if he doesn't get

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Speaker 5: it done, he is going to be subject to this

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Speaker 5: intense criticism.

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Speaker 4: He knows it. Now he has to go do it

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Speaker 4: right only.

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Speaker 3: To stick with quarterbacks. So we'll stick with the quarterbacks today.

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: Is Aaron Rodgers now with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Is he

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Speaker 2: worth ten wins this season for the Steelers?

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Speaker 5: He personally is not worth ten wins, But I think

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Speaker 5: the Steelers can get to ten because they always get

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Speaker 5: the nine to ten wins under Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 4: They can figure it out.

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Speaker 5: They'll play good enough defense, They'll be able to run

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Speaker 5: the ball, and Arthur Smith can put Aaron Rodgers in

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Speaker 5: a situation to be successful given the strengths of his

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Speaker 5: game at this point of his career.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they still can win ten.

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Speaker 5: They're not a quote unquote serious title contender right now,

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Speaker 5: but maybe, but yeah, they can get ten as a

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Speaker 5: reasonable expectation for the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Bucket Brooks, mister Bucket Brooks, former NFL player,

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Speaker 2: What really is the purpose of football's OTAs and how

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Speaker 2: valuable really are they?

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Speaker 4: The valuable in terms of.

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Speaker 5: Young guys getting up to speed, young guys knowing and

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Speaker 5: beginning to learn the nuances of the playbook, the techniques

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Speaker 5: that are the coaches are asking people to utilize and performing.

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Speaker 5: But there's nothing that you can take out of OTAs

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Speaker 5: and fast forward and say, hey, this is going to

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Speaker 5: apply to the season. It's a different game. You don't

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00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 5: have paths on, it's not full contact. It's just different.

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Speaker 5: But what you're hoping is that some of the habits

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Speaker 5: that you create during Ota season will translating the positive

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Speaker 5: performance when you get to the regular season.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now I understand moving to the NBA and the finals.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I'm watching the Dana Pacers. I love their defense.

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Speaker 2: I love the way they play defense, the way they

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Speaker 2: match up. So I got to ask you, how much

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Speaker 2: is Rick Carlisle, the coach of the pace, is a

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Speaker 2: factor in the success?

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Speaker 4: So this team a lot. I mean, let's look at

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Speaker 4: how they've changed their style.

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Speaker 5: Rin Carla is a g in terms of what he's

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Speaker 5: able to do tactically, schematically, the development of the team

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Speaker 5: and it's individual players. He is terrific. He's won a

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Speaker 5: title and he's done this before. Remember, not only did

874
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 5: he lead Dallas to a title, he built up the

875
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 5: Detroit Pistons that Larry Brown ultimately carried over the threshold.

876
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 5: He knows what he's doing. One of the best coaches

877
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 5: that we've had in this era. He deserves the flowers

878
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 5: that he's receiving throughout the finals.

879
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: And I hope he gets them right now because I

880
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 2: think he's somewhat underrated until coming up to the playoffs.

881
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: Right now, I mean, he's just been a coach and

882
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: people don't realize how good he is, really is history.

883
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 4: Really good coach, just an excellent coach.

884
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: We touched on this earlier, but I want to get

885
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: a definitive answer from me right now. And WNBA ratings

886
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 2: were down, not in the duns, but they did big

887
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: time when Caitlin Clark wasn't playing. Now that back up again,

888
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: I'm confused. I don't get it. I just don't get it.

889
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: I really don't tell me.

890
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 4: You don't get it.

891
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 5: She's a star. People want to see her. Wouldn't you

892
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 5: want to see one of the best players in the league.

893
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 5: So people want to see her, They're willing to come

894
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 5: out and check her out, and so I am not

895
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 5: surprised at all that she has a little star power

896
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 5: to her.

897
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: Amazing.

898
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 3: There we go, Thank you, Buck.

899
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: Now, help is on the rescue for one NFL quarterback

900
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: and so much more right here on Fox Sports Sunday,

901
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: coming up next. The position may be important, but one

902
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: man can't do it alone. That's coming right up. Good morning, everybody.

903
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday and Fox Sports Ready. He's

904
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks and Andy Ferman and we're broadcasting live from

905
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: the Fox Sports Readio studios, and of course it's Father's Day.

906
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: So to every father, every dad out there, Happy Happy

907
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: Father's Day.

908
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: Right there. And you know, Buck, we talked about this early.

909
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: On today, about the role of a dad, what he

910
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: should do, what he has done, what he is to

911
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: the youngsters in his home. But what are you doing today?

912
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: I mean, what's on your skin for Father's Day?

913
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: Today? I'm gonna ask you that.

914
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 5: Oh, Father's Day is a light day. Get to do

915
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 5: whatever I want to do. After the radio show, take

916
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 5: a little nap, I'll have some yoga and later on

917
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 5: tonight the kids and I'll hook up with dinner in

918
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 5: those things. But it be a very light, light day,

919
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 5: which is just like I like it on Father's Day.

920
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: I'm the same with you.

921
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: I'm with you right there, same thing, and have the

922
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: kids coming over late to say, afternoon. So that's gonna

923
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: be great, no doubt about that. Nothing really planned, and

924
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: maybe that's the best way to do it. Nothing really planned.

925
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: And speaking of the term plan, I'll tell you what

926
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: this is all I hear. This is all I hear

927
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: from people behind microphones and Sports Talk Radio three does

928
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: not have a plan.

929
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 3: You know what.

930
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: Honestly, you worked and you still work for an NFL team.

931
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: These guys have a plan, sometimes it doesn't work out.

932
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: They're not that stupid. They're not as stupid as they're

933
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: portrayed to be. Really, as a matter of fact, I'm

934
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 2: gonna pull the curtain back again. There's a guy on

935
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: radio that basically kind of just beats the living daylights

936
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: out of a general manager on a team.

937
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: I'm not going to name the team, not gonna name

938
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: the guy, and not going in the radio station.

939
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: I wrote to that general manager because it really bugged me.

940
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: After a while, I said, you know what, when I

941
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: was a pr guy way back in the day for

942
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: the Fort Lauderdale Strikers in the North American Soccer League

943
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: and our coach was Ron Newman, hell of a coach,

944
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: had a little bit of a three game losing streak

945
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: and he was getting banged up pretty good on talk radio.

946
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: I said, Coach, this you gotta do.

947
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: You got to write the guy and I'll help you

948
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: write the letter. We'll mail it and say, look, I

949
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: understand you have a problem with me and my coaching,

950
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: my coaching style. Let me come down to the studio

951
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: and we'll discuss it. You know what happened. Obviously, he

952
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: never answered him, but he stopped doing that. He did

953
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: it again the following year when I was there and

954
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: the guy invited him on the air.

955
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: They became best friends.

956
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: That's what you gotta do, because I think behind the

957
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: microphone people get what I call like beer muscles. They

958
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: go crazy because they don't realize what's what's going on.

959
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta do something like that. So we

960
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: talk about the plan. They say, well, the Knicks don't

961
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: have a plan because they don't have a coach. Yeah,

962
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: they have a plan. They had a plan, you know what.

963
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: The plan was to hire Jason Kidd as their coach

964
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: and hopefully he'd bring Giannis to the New York Knicks.

965
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 2: That's the plan. Okay, now everybody's down on the necks. Okay,

966
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: they got rid of tips.

967
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: It was wrong.

968
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 2: I think it was wrong, and we'll see what happens

969
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: who they get. But certainly there was a plan. And

970
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: now every plan that they have is being blocked because Dallas, Memphis,

971
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: or Minnesota, Golden State, all these teams are blocking them

972
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: for talking to the coach for the rever forever reason.

973
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: I don't know why. But there's a plan, don't you agree?

974
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: Teams do have a plan. They're not just doing it

975
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: off the off the cuff. So I can't stand when

976
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: these guys say this team didn't have a plan. They

977
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: got a plan.

978
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 5: Well, I mean they may have a plan, it's not

979
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 5: word plan might have been loosely put together. Normally, in

980
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 5: these situation, particularly high profile job, like we're talking about

981
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 5: the Knicks, you kind of should have you ducks in

982
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 5: a row. When you make the move, it should be, hey,

983
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 5: we're gonna fire this person and within a few days,

984
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 5: this next person is going to be.

985
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 4: The coach and they can play behind.

986
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 5: Oh, we had a comprehensive search, this is the best

987
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 5: candidate far and wide. Uh, they don't appear to have

988
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 5: that done. And so now you look around, like, if

989
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 5: you don't fire someone to hire someone better, then what

990
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 5: are we doing? And I think that's where we're at

991
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 5: right now. Are they Are we confident enough that they're

992
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 5: going to hire someone better? And even regardless of who

993
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 5: they hire, that's still going to exist And we won't

994
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 5: know until that person gets on the job, and then

995
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 5: we start seeing if they can take this team to

996
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 5: the next level.

997
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 4: And I don't know. I mean, it's tough, tough, tough,

998
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: shoes to feel.

999
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: Okay, did the late George Steinberner have a plan when

1000
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: he cuts on firing and rehiring Billy Martin?

1001
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 3: Was that a plan?

1002
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 4: Bring it? I knew you're gonna bring up Billy Martin.

1003
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 5: So maybe you can hire Tom Tippetheau back. Or maybe

1004
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 5: he goes against Jeff van Gundy, or he brings one

1005
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 5: of the old coaches they've had through there, Mike Woodson, anybody.

1006
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know somebody.

1007
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 5: But it's definitely a tough gig right now, because when

1008
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 5: you look at the candidates or you look at the landscape,

1009
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 5: who's the head and shoulders. Who's the candidate that's head

1010
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 5: and shoulders above what everyone else is? Who's the candidate

1011
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 5: that we can sit here and say today, oh, there

1012
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 5: are a much better option than Tom Thibodau would have

1013
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 5: been coming back this season.

1014
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: Well, we don't know. I don't think the knickch no,

1015
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: but there's a plan out there. I mean, obviously, I

1016
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 2: think Jason Kidd was the number one guy on their board.

1017
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: It didn't work out all right, that happens. I mean,

1018
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 2: I don't think they knew Dallas was going to block

1019
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 2: them from talking. That's unusual, isn't it? In sports, it's

1020
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: somewhat unusual when the team has permission to talk to

1021
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: a coach for hiring. They don't usually turn you down.

1022
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: Knicks would turn down three times by three different teams.

1023
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is I mean something crazy, Yeah, very crazy, crazy, Dale.

1024
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: Let's move on. Okay, because I'm going to say this.

1025
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 2: When Buckie Brooks rights, we read what do I mean

1026
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: by that? He writes a column every front NFL dot com.

1027
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: It must read NFL dot com Bucket Brooks. So I'm

1028
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: gonna kind of lead you into this. We know that

1029
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: teams without a competent quarterback can't win, and they don't

1030
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 2: win in the National Football They basically that's it. It's

1031
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 2: the most important position maybe in all the sports. Agreed,

1032
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: I think it might be.

1033
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.

1034
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 2: Okay, But as you said early on, the quarterback can't

1035
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: do it alone, and many media types fail to recognize this.

1036
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: In fact, when we see games previewed on television, I

1037
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: always say, well, oh, the Bengals are playing the Ravens,

1038
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 2: and what do they say. They don't say Bengals playing

1039
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: the Ravens. They say it's Lamar Jackson against Joe Burrow.

1040
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 2: It's always quarterback versus quarterback, and they one lost records

1041
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 2: versus one against the other. I don't think it's fair,

1042
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: but that's the hype. That's what sells. That's what sells

1043
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: the NFL. Maybe they should do it in the NBA finals.

1044
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: They should do how Le Burton versus whatever. I don't know, GSA,

1045
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't know they do that. That's what sells obviously,

1046
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 2: quarterback versus quarterback records.

1047
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: Right, that's what I mean. You're there.

1048
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 4: I mean it's not fair, but it does.

1049
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 5: So it is a big sticking point because we're trying

1050
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 5: to assign either credit or blame. Who can we celebrate

1051
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 5: or who can we criticize. That's what we love to do.

1052
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 5: It's an India creation. Yeah, that's what we do.

1053
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: Okay, And you were small enough to write about this

1054
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 2: at NFL dot com this week with the Jacksonville Jaguars

1055
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: and their quarterback Trevor Lawrence. So it's year five for

1056
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 2: Trevor came out with big, big ratings. Has he gotten

1057
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: a haircirt yet, by the way.

1058
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 5: No, no, no, we got to keep the floats, the

1059
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 5: locks flowing. It's like Sanderson, Yeah, don't want to mess

1060
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 5: that up.

1061
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: All right, what's your assessment right now after four years

1062
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: in the National Football League, Because you know, he's got

1063
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: the talent, he's got the skill set, but he's been

1064
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: really hurt because he's got so many different coaches that

1065
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: have been coaching him over these years.

1066
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, Trevor Lawrence is not ideal over

1067
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 5: a four year period that you've had three different coaches

1068
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 5: and the instability around him has impact the way that

1069
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 5: he's performed. He's shown flashes of being the guy that

1070
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 5: many visioned that he would become when he was taking

1071
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 5: number one overall in the draft, but the inconsistencies and

1072
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 5: the injuries of late have led to some questions about

1073
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 5: whether he can be the guy that ever lives up

1074
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 5: to the fifty five million dollar contract that he's about

1075
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 5: to start getting paid from on the extension when it

1076
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 5: kicks in.

1077
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 4: Yes, look it's tough.

1078
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 5: Because we think got fifty million dollars quarterbacks are the

1079
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 5: ones that have it all figured out. They should be

1080
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 5: elite quarterbacks. But we can't call Trevor.

1081
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 4: Lawrence elite to this point.

1082
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 5: We could say that he's shown flashes, maybe he could

1083
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 5: get there. Twenty twenty two was fantastic when they were

1084
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 5: able to win in the postseason. But he has to

1085
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 5: string him together and he hasn't been able to do it.

1086
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 5: But there's some optimism down in Jacksonville over what he

1087
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 5: could become based on the moves they made in the offseason.

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00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: Okay, fifty million dollar man. Every year he's got a

1089
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: quarterback for Jacksonville. However, I think that people and they

1090
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: never will do this media people is for sure on

1091
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: fans as well. You have to separate the money and

1092
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: what he has accomplished because I think money basically is

1093
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: almost like slotted that that's the nature of the beast.

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00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 3: You know, this is what quarterbacks get. That's they're going rate.

1095
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: So the fact that he's not getting you more bang

1096
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 2: for the buck, it's not fair. But yeah, I think

1097
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: that you want to get more for fifty mili. But

1098
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: you know, forget about the money because that's what the

1099
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: quarterbacks are making, right, I mean, Dandy Dines is making

1100
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 2: forty MILLI in Indianapolis, right, I mean.

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00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 5: What do I mean?

1102
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 4: Just fourteen?

1103
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 5: But he look NFL Comeback Player of the Year candidate

1104
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 5: Danny Dimes should get a chance to take it over

1105
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 5: for Anthony Richardson, and we'll have a chance to see

1106
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 5: how good he really is. We've seen how the Giant

1107
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 5: struggles with and without him, But no, we get a

1108
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 5: chance to see if someone else can max out Danny Dines.

1109
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 5: But yeah, the quarterback position, the market is the market,

1110
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 5: and you can't confuse what you're having to pay them

1111
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 5: with how they want to perform because a lot of

1112
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 5: people make the mistake and try to do that, and

1113
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 5: you can't necessarily have the quarterback validate or justify making

1114
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 5: that much money.

1115
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 4: It's just hard.

1116
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 5: It's hard to say that a quarterback is a fifty

1117
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 5: million dollars quarterback because, as I told you, these quarterbacks

1118
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 5: are not John Wayne.

1119
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 4: They can't do it all by themselves.

1120
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 5: They have to have the people and things around them

1121
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 5: to be able to make it happen.

1122
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: Okay, and you mentioned his stats over the last four years.

1123
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 2: He ranks twenty ninth in the NFL in yards per throw,

1124
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 2: twenty ninth in touchdowns to interception, Radio Regio, and thirty

1125
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 2: second and past the ratings. That's not good. I mean,

1126
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: is that what we're going to see with him? Or

1127
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: does it get better? And more than that, how does

1128
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: it get better. I know the team was twenty five

1129
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: and forty three in those four years and they reached

1130
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: the playoffs just one time. But it's a hell of

1131
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: an investment they've put in him. And are they happy

1132
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: right now? I mean you're pretty close to the situation.

1133
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 2: Are they happy with Trevor? Are they saying maybe he's

1134
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: not the guy?

1135
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 5: Well, he asked to be the guy because they paid

1136
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 5: him that he's going to be the guy. So there's

1137
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 5: no oh, we're unhappy with him. If they were unhappy

1138
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 5: with him, they wouldn't have paid him. Now, they certainly

1139
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 5: want to get They want to see him at his best.

1140
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 5: They want to see what he looks like, how he

1141
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 5: performs when he has the opportunity to. But yeah, I

1142
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 5: can't say the dear not happy with who he is

1143
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 5: in terms of the leader, the man that he is

1144
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 5: around the building. They just want to see the performance.

1145
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 5: You know, when you pay that kind of money, you

1146
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 5: want to see him play like the franchise player that

1147
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 5: everyone in the building says or believes that he can be.

1148
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 4: So it's time. It's time for him to get there, right.

1149
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Now you mentioned that Jacksonville has spared no expansion.

1150
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 3: They went to the three P theory. What's the three

1151
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 3: P theory?

1152
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 5: So the three piece are that every quarterback is particularly

1153
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 5: every young quarterback, they must have these things to thrive

1154
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 5: in the National Football League, and so we call them

1155
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 5: the three p's. The first pe is you got to

1156
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 5: have the right play call. They got to have the

1157
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 5: right coach executing the right tactics, building a quarterback friendly

1158
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 5: scheme that plays to your strengths as a player. If

1159
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 5: you get the X and o's right, you ask the

1160
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 5: player to do what he does well one and likely

1161
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 5: he's going to perform really, really well. So that is

1162
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 5: the first P. The second piece you got to have

1163
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 5: the playmakers. You got to have the supporting cast around them,

1164
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 5: the guys that can make it happen when he is

1165
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 5: putting the ball in their hands. So, whether it's a

1166
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 5: wide receiver, whether it's a running back, a pass catch,

1167
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 5: whatever it is, you got to have enough playmakers around

1168
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 5: the quarterback to give him a chance to succeed. Because

1169
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 5: as much as we make it about the one person,

1170
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 5: the quarterback is dependent upon the ten other people that

1171
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 5: are in the huddle.

1172
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 4: With him to be able to get it done.

1173
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 5: And a lot of the people that he's dependent on

1174
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 5: are the pass catchers and the playmakers, the guys that

1175
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 5: can take his short passes and turn them into big games,

1176
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 5: the guys who gets the deep balls in those things.

1177
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 5: And then the final part are the protectors. Every king

1178
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 5: must be protected within his castle, and the way that

1179
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 5: you protect the quarterback is making sure that you have

1180
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 5: the best offensive line that you can put in front

1181
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 5: of him. Doesn't mean that everyone on that front line

1182
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 5: is an A plus talent, but you got to make

1183
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 5: the commitment to ensure that the king is protected. In

1184
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 5: the pocket. If Trevor Lawrence is protected, that gives him

1185
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 5: an opportunity to get the ball in the hands of

1186
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 5: the playmakers.

1187
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 4: It also gives.

1188
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 5: Him an opportunity to make those X and lows from

1189
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 5: the play caller come to life.

1190
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 4: It all works.

1191
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 5: Together, play caller, playmaker, protector. If those things are right,

1192
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 5: then the quarterback more than likely it's gonna be right.

1193
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 2: Okay, the king's got to be protected. Although we had

1194
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 2: a no king parade yesterday, but the king's got to

1195
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 2: be protected. Let's start with the play call. Okay, help

1196
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 2: me out here. We're going with the three p's. The

1197
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: first one, the play call who's the play caller in Jacksonville.

1198
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 2: How is he going to help Trevor? What's going to happen?

1199
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: What changes might we see this year?

1200
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 5: Well, the big thing when it comes to Liam Cohn,

1201
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 5: who is a new head coach and offensive play caller,

1202
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 5: so he's doing both. He's pulling off the head coach

1203
00:53:59,040 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator.

1204
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 4: It can be a very.

1205
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 5: Difficult thing your first job to do both, but there's

1206
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 5: a belief that he can do it and to pull

1207
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 5: it off. That means the other parts of the team

1208
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 5: have to be operating at a high level. I mean,

1209
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 5: your decordinator has to be able to do it, just

1210
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 5: a special teams coordinator, so you can focus on running

1211
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 5: the team, but really running the offense. And Cohen, you're

1212
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 5: getting someone who is reared and the Sean McVay mc

1213
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 5: Sean McVay Tree. He watched Sean McVay take Jerry Goff

1214
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 5: to another level. He also watched Sean McVay take Matthew

1215
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 5: Stafford and lead the franchise to a Super Bowl win.

1216
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 5: So he's seeing that experience two different ways, two different

1217
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 5: Number one overall picks have success in an offensive system.

1218
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 5: That's valuable because Trevor Lawrence was a number one overall pick.

1219
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 5: He then took that success went to Tampa Bay, where

1220
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 5: he had another number one overall pick in Baker Mayfield.

1221
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield had the best season statistically of his career

1222
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 5: under Liam Cohn, while the Dama Bay Buccaneers also had

1223
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 5: a top five rushing gamp.

1224
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 4: The same recipe, you put.

1225
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 5: It into play with Jacksonville while doing it in a

1226
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 5: style that is really comfortable for Trevor Lawrence. So you

1227
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 5: make sure that the axes and o's fit what he

1228
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 5: does well. You surrounded with the playmakers that you have

1229
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 5: on the outside, and that works for Jacksonville. That hopefully

1230
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 5: gets them up and going and helps them have a

1231
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 5: lot of success.

1232
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: Okay, let me go back to Liam Colney. He's going

1233
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: to be the head coach and the offensive coordinator in

1234
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: the sense he's the play caller number one. That puts

1235
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: tremendous heat on him because every news conference is going

1236
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: to be you know, the head coach can't blame it

1237
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: on the offensive coordinator.

1238
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 3: It's him.

1239
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: Everything's on him offensively, right, I mean everything's on him

1240
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: offensively Number one.

1241
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 3: Number two.

1242
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: When he was hired as head coach, is that something

1243
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 2: he demanded that he wanted to do both.

1244
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 4: That's what he demanded.

1245
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 5: But a lot of times those guys are hired because

1246
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 5: of their prowess when it comes to building elite offenses.

1247
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 5: So part of the conversation are part of the allure

1248
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 5: of bringing Liam coyn on on was because he was

1249
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 5: so good at what he did with the x's and

1250
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 5: o's down in Tampa and the resume, the people that

1251
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 5: he's been around that will help him continue to be

1252
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 5: an elite offensive mind.

1253
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 4: So that's a part of it.

1254
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 5: I'm sure ownership wants that to happen, because when you

1255
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 5: hire somebody, you hire them for what they've done, the

1256
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 5: strengths that they bring to the table. You certainly don't

1257
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 5: want to new to them and say, hey, we want

1258
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 5: to hire you, but we don't.

1259
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 4: Want you to use your superpowers. That doesn't make sense.

1260
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 5: So no, I expect him to be the play call

1261
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 5: it because that is what made him great, that's made

1262
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 5: him stand out from the rest of the candidates.

1263
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the second p which is

1264
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: the playmakers. And I think your team they released Gabe Davis.

1265
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: He was like one of their Todd guys, right, I

1266
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 2: mean So who do they have as a playmaker right now?

1267
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 4: Well, I mean they released Gave Davis.

1268
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 5: Gabe Davis was injured and wasn't look they wanted to

1269
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 5: move on because they wanted to have some fresh blood

1270
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 5: in there. And so one of the things that they

1271
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 5: did is they they elevated Brian Thomas Jr. Last year

1272
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 5: he was a rookie, he was may arguably the best

1273
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 5: freaking receiver in the league. So they elevate him. They

1274
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 5: make sure he is clearly the number one option in

1275
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 5: the passing game. And then the other thing they've done

1276
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 5: is they went out and made a big move, a

1277
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 5: splashy move, made a big trade to get Travis Hunter.

1278
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 5: So you go and get Travis Hutton to go alongside

1279
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 5: Brian Thomas Junior. In free agency, you get to Yamy Brown,

1280
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 5: a big play specialist from the Washington Commanders.

1281
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 4: And this team is faster on the perimeter.

1282
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 5: But they're not only faster, they're guys who expand the

1283
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 5: strike zone because they are such good ball catchers, meaning

1284
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 5: they have terrific handout coordination ball skills. So for Trevor Lawrence,

1285
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 5: he now can throw the ball up in trust that

1286
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 5: those guys are going to come down with it.

1287
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 4: They'll do a lot for his confidence.

1288
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 5: That will do a lot for his efficiency and effectiveness

1289
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 5: from the pocket.

1290
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: I had no idea that Brian Thomas Junior, who was

1291
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: a rookie last year, was the first Jacksonville player. And

1292
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,959
Speaker 2: I read this when you wrote this the top twelve

1293
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 2: hundred receiving guards in the season since Alan Robinson way

1294
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: back in twenty fifteen. So now Trevor has Brian Thomas

1295
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 2: and Travis Hunter, so that that's pretty good.

1296
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 3: It's pretty good.

1297
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 2: One two deals, so Uh and Washington they lose Brown

1298
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 2: and Uh they're also looking at a hold out and

1299
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: another receiver, but we'll get to that later on today.

1300
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: So with loo pretty good the playmakers there, let's go

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00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 2: to the p number three, which is the past protectors,

1302
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 2: which basically I think is probably the most important thing.

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00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: You want to see the guy standing up right, not

1304
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: on the ground.

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00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 4: You want to see you want to see the guys upright.

1306
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 4: You don't want to see him hit, you don't want

1307
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 4: to see him knocked around. And what they're doing.

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00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 5: Is just swapping around six new faces on that offensive line. Uh,

1309
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 5: they're trying to rotate them in trying to see who

1310
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 5: can be the best combination of five in front of

1311
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Speaker 5: the quarterback. And this is one that will be a

1312
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Speaker 5: true competition when they get the camp. When you have

1313
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 5: all of these things working, you just want to make sure, Hey,

1314
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 5: these guys in front of the quarterback, they can't do

1315
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 5: it exactly the way that we want it does, so

1316
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 5: we're going to have the kind of success that we

1317
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 5: want to have at the point of attack.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to you a little about offensive

1319
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: line play, which really a lot of people don't discuss,

1320
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: and only they discuss it when the quarterback is on

1321
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: his rear end.

1322
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 3: They say the offensive line stinks.

1323
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 2: Is it the skill set individually of the offensive lineman

1324
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: or is it the group that they learn how to

1325
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: work together. I look at the offensive line almost like

1326
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: a chain lean fence. They have to work in unison

1327
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: as one. And if you have one guy not pulling

1328
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 2: his weight, even though he may be a great skill

1329
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: set guy, if he doesn't fit in with the rest

1330
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: of the pack on that offensive line, ain't gonna work

1331
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 2: all right. So how important is the skill set as

1332
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 2: opposed to chemistry working with each other on that line?

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00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 5: Chemistry the way the way it all works together. It

1334
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 5: is all about the way they work together. As you

1335
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 5: talk about like a chain link fence, how they equate

1336
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 5: it to the fingers on your hand. When the figures

1337
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 5: on your hand are open in the individual, not a

1338
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 5: lot of power but to open hands slap. But if

1339
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 5: you form them together and put them all together in

1340
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 5: former fists, where there's a lot more power that comes

1341
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 5: with that. That's how the offensive line works together. They

1342
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 5: have to be able to finish each other's sentences. They

1343
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 5: have to be able to have the kind of chemistry

1344
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 5: and connection where the mental telepathy takes over sometimes in

1345
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 5: games because hey, we don't say anything, but I just

1346
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 5: know because we played with each other for so long,

1347
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 5: or because I just know what you need. I'm always

1348
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 5: there for you. Yeah, that is a very important part

1349
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 5: of the puzzle when it comes to helping your quarterback succeed.

1350
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Speaker 4: You got to have the right guys in front of them.

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01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 3: Sounds great.

1352
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why you got to be excited about

1353
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 2: Jacksonville this Year'll see what they do.

1354
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 3: Make some noise in. Trevor's got to be excited too,

1355
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Speaker 3: We'll see.

1356
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I think there's a lot of excitement.

1357
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Speaker 5: The buzz is different, not only with the moves that

1358
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 5: were made, but some of the changes in the front office.

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Speaker 4: Maybe an exciting time to be a jag. We'll see

1360
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 4: what it looks like though, when we start playing for real.

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Speaker 2: All right, He's Bucky Brooks and Ady Firm, and we

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Speaker 2: have Fox Sports Sunday on Fox. Buts ready, by the way,

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Speaker 2: at Andy Furman FS. I'd love to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: We got yay on a in this hour the blame

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Speaker 2: game of hour number three. But right now, did you

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Speaker 2: hear what one rookie had to say the management.

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Speaker 3: That's next.

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Speaker 2: All right, This player's thoughts are at the loan that's

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Speaker 2: right around the corner. He is Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy Furman.

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Speaker 2: live on the Fox Spots Radio studios. All right, let's

1389
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,479
Speaker 2: roll on right here because this is a pretty bigg

1390
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Speaker 2: Because I say to you, Bucky Brooks, history repeats itself,

1391
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 2: especially in Cincinnati. Last year was t Higgins and Jamar

1392
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: Chase holding out. This year Trey Hendrickson and rookie Shamar Stewart.

1393
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 2: Why what's the word around the league about the Bengals

1394
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 2: and money.

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Speaker 3: I'm not spending.

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Speaker 5: It's not even so much not spending it the Bengals

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Speaker 5: as it relates to Shamar Stewart, they are just not

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Speaker 5: They're trying to rewrite the CBA. The Collective borgain and

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Speaker 5: Agreement has certain language inserted into every contract that you

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01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 5: can't mess with. And it comes to the fully guaranteed money.

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01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 5: And what the Cincinnati Bengals are trying to do with

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01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,479
Speaker 5: Shamar Stewart they've never done this before, is they're trying

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01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 5: to have some language in there where if he does X,

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Speaker 5: it then not only forfeits the money for this year,

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Speaker 5: but it forfeits all the guaranteed money in his contract. Well,

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Speaker 5: Schmark Stewart, like any reasonable player, will never agree to

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01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 5: that because that's not what is in the collective Bargaining Agreement.

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01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 5: First round picks, all of their money are guaranteed. It's guaranteed,

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01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 5: and the Bengals are trying to run in run around

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Speaker 5: that process and they're trying to create a different president,

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Speaker 5: which is why you have the sticking point.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't really make sense.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why Cincinnati decide to down this heel

1414
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 5: at this moment, but this is what they're on and

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01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 5: this is why Schmar Stewart is not in the building,

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01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 5: why he didn't participate in OTA's and mini camp, because

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01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 5: the Bengals are trying to do something that they've never

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01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 5: done with any of the first round picks that they've

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01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 5: had before him.

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Speaker 2: So you can't blame Shamar Stuart for doing what he's doing,

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01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 2: because he'd be crazy to sign that contract. Because when

1422
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 2: it comes to rookie contracts, there's really not much negotiation

1423
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 2: because the money is there when it comes to money,

1424
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Speaker 2: right thanks to the Collective Bargain as you mentioned, and

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01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 2: that agreement was way back in twenty eleven. Every draft

1426
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 2: contract is slotted due to that rookie wage scale, which

1427
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 2: means each player knows how much they're going to make

1428
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 2: as soon as they get drafted. So it's more than

1429
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 2: money and we know that right now, so negotiating a

1430
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Speaker 2: contract shouldn't be difficult.

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Speaker 3: So here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: Tell me if I get this straight, this allows the

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Speaker 2: Bengals now to avoid future guarantees.

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Speaker 3: If he were to get in trouble.

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Speaker 2: This could be suspension, maybe on field contact, off field

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Speaker 2: contact and arrest anything else. And the kid's twenty one

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Speaker 2: years of age, never got in trouble, never got arrested,

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Speaker 2: so obviously it's not going to happen, but you just

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Speaker 2: don't know, okay, And normally the first round pick gets

1440
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Speaker 2: fully guaranteed for your contract. But this gives the Bengals

1441
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Speaker 2: some I guess we'd call wiggle room to get out

1442
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Speaker 2: of that deal. Okay, here's the question I have. Say

1443
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Speaker 2: he's on the field during a game and he gets

1444
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 2: suspended for using his helmet tackling somebody. Does that mean

1445
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Speaker 2: it's going to be avoided because he's in trouble, he'll

1446
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Speaker 2: be suspended, right.

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Speaker 5: I don't know without seeing the contract of what they're negotiating,

1448
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 5: but yeah, like he's trying to make sure that he

1449
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 5: doesn't incur any of those any of those problems down

1450
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 5: the line, you know, in terms of hey, I'm a

1451
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 5: void or I'm forfeiting money because of a mistake that

1452
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Speaker 5: that's made off the field, whatever it is.

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Speaker 7: And because already ticket ticket right, right, and because it's

1454
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 7: already been collectively bargained, there's no reason why the Bengals

1455
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Speaker 7: have put this language in there.

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Speaker 4: And so it's one of those things.

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Speaker 5: If he signed it, potentially he would be setting a

1458
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Speaker 5: bad precedent for all the other players. So not only

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Speaker 5: won't Stuart sign it, the union won't let him set

1460
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 5: They would admonish him in terms of no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 5: you cannot sign this deal. This deal has language that

1462
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Speaker 5: we've already gone to the table for.

1463
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Speaker 4: So yeah, let's eliminate this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's take a list of begause. Shamar Stewart has

1465
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Speaker 2: something to say about Bengal management. Go ahead, Schamar, we.

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Speaker 8: All agree trade will be right, right, but technically still

1467
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 8: one percent wrong for being on the contract. So in

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Speaker 8: my case, I'm a hundred is that right? So it

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01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 8: should be a no brainer. In trades case, I think

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Speaker 8: it should be a no brainer too. I mean, he

1471
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Speaker 8: the seventeen a half sacks for two years back to back.

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Speaker 8: If I was the GM or I was the owner,

1473
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Speaker 8: take all my money. But I guess they don't offer

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Speaker 8: it like that.

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Speaker 3: But okay, he continued.

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01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 2: He said that the Bengals really are more concerned about

1477
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 2: winning negotiations than winning football games. That to me, is

1478
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 2: not going to go over well. Because Mike Brown, the

1479
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 2: owner and the ownership team, they they don't usually lose

1480
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 2: these struggles. They really don't. I think it's going to

1481
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 2: be bat in the hatches right now. I don't see

1482
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,919
Speaker 2: the Bengals giving in. I really don't. And this guy

1483
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 2: Simar Stuart, who basically played he only had about what

1484
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 2: four sacks when he played in college and he was

1485
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 2: a first round pick. But I see him sitting out

1486
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 2: and there's a possibility. I guess he could re enter

1487
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 2: the draft next year if he doesn't on his contract.

1488
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 3: Who doesn't play football at all in this year.

1489
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess that could happen, But it's unlikely

1490
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 5: to go that someone's gonna blink, someone's gonna blink. Someone's

1491
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 5: gonna have to make this right that we can't. We

1492
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 5: can't see this situation going like this, like this is

1493
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 5: Banana's Like this is crazy. When it comes down to it,

1494
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 5: they have to get this part done.

1495
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 4: I don't understand why it's taking so long, but.

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Speaker 5: These are the heels that both parties are willing to

1497
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 5: die on. And for the Bengals, they don't have they

1498
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 5: don't have anything behind them, Like I don't understand why

1499
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 5: they're doing that, but this is where they are, so

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Speaker 5: hopefully they can get a resolve before training camp. I

1501
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 5: would say that what they've done, though, is they've wasted

1502
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 5: a lot of time For a player who's a developmental

1503
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 5: player coming into the league. When you don't have a contract,

1504
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 5: you can't really work out because you're putting yourself at

1505
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 5: risk if you get hurt those things. And because he

1506
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 5: hasn't worked out with the team. He can take all

1507
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 5: the mental reps that you want, but man, at some point,

1508
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 5: you got to put your feet on the grass and

1509
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 5: you got to get to work so you can develop

1510
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 5: the habits, the skilled mastery that you need to be successful.

1511
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 5: He hasn't done that, and everyone of the fans will

1512
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 5: blame him if he gets off to a slow start,

1513
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 5: but ownership is just as responsible for his potentially lack

1514
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 5: of performance because they haven't supported him thoroughly when it

1515
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 5: comes to, hey, let's get the deal done, let's get

1516
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 5: him on in the building, let's get him to work.

1517
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 4: They haven't done it.

1518
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 2: The two people I feel for in this whole situation

1519
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor, who basically may not be on the hot

1520
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 2: seat as coach, but I think the seat's getting warm.

1521
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 2: Got to at least make the playoffs this year. I

1522
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 2: think the seat's getting warm for Zach. And really he

1523
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 2: has no saying this. I mean, basically he's on the

1524
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 2: outside looking in, keeping his fingers crossed that management does

1525
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,759
Speaker 2: buckle because he needs these guys, and also Joe Burrow

1526
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 2: and he seems to be getting tired of all these distractions.

1527
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: So he was asked the other day at practice about

1528
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,719
Speaker 2: the Trey Hendrickson situation, and he says, is this a distraction?

1529
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 3: He says with.

1530
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,799
Speaker 2: Two words, of course, of course it's a distraction. Okay,

1531
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 2: last year was t and Jamar. Now it's Trey Hendrickson

1532
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 2: and Joe. I mean, look, I mean the clock is

1533
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 2: ticking for Joe Burrow when you think this season number six?

1534
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 4: Is it?

1535
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, So I would say this, and

1536
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 2: maybe I'm wrong when you played the game. So you know,

1537
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 2: tell me if I'm on the right track. No practice

1538
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 2: for guys they've got on the field, No practice right now,

1539
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 2: be it ota, preseason, whatever it may be, normally leads

1540
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 2: to grind problems or muscle strains or muscle pulls. That's

1541
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: my take on it, because it's a history. You don't practice,

1542
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: you're going to be sitting out during the year with

1543
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 2: an injury.

1544
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

1545
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, it's that great preparation matters, and

1546
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 5: how you prepare yourself over to spring and summer could

1547
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 5: have an impact on how you perform during the fall.

1548
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 5: Not all one hund percent doesn't mean that if you

1549
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 5: do all the right things you can be free from harm,

1550
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 5: but it's likely that probability goes up if you haven't

1551
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,759
Speaker 5: been with a team, you haven't worked out in those things.

1552
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 5: Hopefully they can get it done and he can do

1553
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 5: whatever you can do to be a contributor this year.

1554
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 5: Without Trey Henderson and your number one pick, Shamar stewart Man,

1555
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:20,799
Speaker 5: your past rush is non existent.

1556
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 4: And we haven't even talked about this.

1557
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 5: You got a new defensive coordinator in the building, you

1558
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,560
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like Elgod in the building.

1559
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 4: Replace him in college from college.

1560
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you got to learn a completely new defense

1561
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:37,440
Speaker 5: and all those things, and you just made it challenging

1562
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 5: on yourself because now you're having to do all of

1563
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 5: this in training camp and it's just hard, man, it's

1564
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 5: hard to do all those things in training camp.

1565
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 3: I tell you what.

1566
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 2: Trey Henderson right now, he's pretty strong saying he's not

1567
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 2: going to play this year for the Bengals under his

1568
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 2: current contract. Last year was all pro let the NFL

1569
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 2: in sacks and he's in a contract year and he's

1570
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 2: scheduled to make sixteen mili.

1571
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 3: And you know, I get it.

1572
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 2: You know, you want to be paid on your performance,

1573
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 2: and you want to be paid what other people in

1574
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 2: your position make.

1575
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 3: And the team is what on an eighteen million captain?

1576
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

1577
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 2: But he did not attended the voluntary offseason workouts until

1578
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: he gets a new deal. And he skipped a three

1579
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 2: day mandatory mini camp last week, so he could be

1580
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 2: fined one hundred and four thousand dollars by the team

1581
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 2: for missing all three days if in fact he is

1582
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 2: How does that work? They take it out of his

1583
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 2: paycheck if he signs, or if he doesn't sign, he's

1584
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 2: got to write them a check.

1585
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 3: How does that work?

1586
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 5: They'll take it out the check. But here's the thing.

1587
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 5: What happened during the last CBA. They eliminated the ability

1588
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 5: to waive those fines before teams would sign the player.

1589
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 5: They would just waive it and then you could come in.

1590
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 5: But now the NFL is making a note where you

1591
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:48,799
Speaker 5: have to take that money.

1592
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 4: You have to take whatever finds are out there. You

1593
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 4: have to do it. They think about Trey Hendrickson.

1594
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 5: I understand his frustration because last year he wanted a

1595
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 5: new deal.

1596
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 4: They didn't address it. What did he do?

1597
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 5: He went out and led the league in sacks, and

1598
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 5: if you go back over the last four seasons, Trey

1599
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 5: Henderson only ranks behind TJ. Watt and Miles Garrett and

1600
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 5: number of sacks. So when we talk about someone who

1601
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 5: deserves to be paid, Trey Henderson deserves to be paid, right.

1602
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 2: But he did sign a contract, so that that's the

1603
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,879
Speaker 2: thing I mean, obviously he's not Yeah.

1604
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah he did. He did technically sign a contract.

1605
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 5: But you know what teams do. Team signed players to

1606
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 5: contracts and then oh, by the way, they cut them,

1607
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 5: They asked them to take pay cuts.

1608
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 4: They do things.

1609
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 5: So if you're going to honor a contract on one side,

1610
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 5: you need to honor it on the other side.

1611
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 4: And it's not always honored on each side.

1612
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 5: So we can be mad at him, but he certainly

1613
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,759
Speaker 5: outplayed his contract. And when you look at the landscape,

1614
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 5: he's making sixty million dollars this year. Miles Garrett just

1615
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 5: signed an extension that puts him at forty million dollars annually.

1616
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 5: That's a huge discrepancy in terms of what the so

1617
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 5: called top guys getting and the guy that I told

1618
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 5: you is right behind him three sacks fewer that he's

1619
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 5: behind Miles Garrett, you got it.

1620
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 4: Look, you got to pay a Tree Henderson.

1621
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 2: Okay, But here's my thing. If you had Mike Brown

1622
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 2: and the Cincinnati Bengals. So I guess they're fearful of

1623
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 2: the fact that this may set a precedent that guys

1624
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 2: who have a contract that outperformed the contract to have

1625
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 2: a tremendous year become all pro whatever. They're gonna want

1626
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 2: that contract torn up.

1627
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 6: Two.

1628
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 2: So it sets a bad precedent in their mind. In

1629
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 2: their mind is that the only reason why would not

1630
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 2: they give them the money. Why wouldn't they give them

1631
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 2: the money.

1632
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 5: I don't know why they wouldn't give them the money

1633
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 5: because you were rather paying Look imagine if they paid

1634
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 5: them that at this moment, but imagined if they paid

1635
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 5: them last year, right, they would have got them at

1636
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 5: a discounted price.

1637
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 4: It only goes up, it never comes down.

1638
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so Jamar Chase, like if you want a

1639
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 5: whole firm on that philosophy that you talked about, Hey,

1640
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 5: they could have waited on Jamar Chase, but they didn't,

1641
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 5: and then they waited on t.

1642
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 4: Higgins and then had to open up the golfers.

1643
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 5: I just don't understand why the Bengals aren't proactive with

1644
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 5: some of the players that they know they need to pay, Like,

1645
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 5: let's get through this, let's have everyone in the building.

1646
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 5: Let's make sure that the chemistry is right so we

1647
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 5: have the best chance of maximizing our season. They're not

1648
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 5: doing that, and I think it'd be frustrating for me

1649
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 5: if I was a Bengals fan to sit there and

1650
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 5: watch it every year.

1651
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 4: There's something they're back to be in the Bungles.

1652
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say this though, I think that the

1653
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 2: Bengals do have the leverage over Hendrickson because I don't

1654
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 2: think he's going to sit out. I think he's gonna play.

1655
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 2: I mean he'd be crazy to shit out right.

1656
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 5: I mean he would be crazy to sit out, Like,

1657
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 5: I think he has to play, and you don't have

1658
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 5: as much.

1659
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 4: Juice as you want to and they're look there leverage.

1660
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,799
Speaker 3: I think Schman Stewart's leverage, but not Hendrixon.

1661
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, not Henderson.

1662
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 5: But okay, But but here's the thing in all right,

1663
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,799
Speaker 5: so you win that right, so you win the battle

1664
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 5: of Hey, we're not gonna pay you, you got to come

1665
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 5: in here and play. You think that's gonna be positive

1666
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 5: in the locker room. You got to disgruntle the employee.

1667
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 5: You know, someone who's been disgrunted for two years. Do

1668
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 5: you think that's going to be the person that like,

1669
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 5: all right, guys, let's let's huddle up. Let's say team

1670
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 5: for me, like team on three you want two? You

1671
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 5: think that person's gonna be enthusiastic about the team that

1672
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 5: he's going to convey the kind of leadership that you want.

1673
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 5: He's gonna play as hard as he can for you,

1674
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 5: knowing that, hey, I'm gonna give up the team because

1675
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 5: the team gives them me. Nah, it doesn't work like that.

1676
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 5: So they're winning the battle, but they're going to lose

1677
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:30,879
Speaker 5: the war because they're not taking care of their players.

1678
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 2: Really, all right, Bucket Brooks, Andy Ferman, Fox Bus Sunday

1679
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 2: on Fox that's ready, all right, two options and here

1680
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 2: they are, yay on ay and you know what the

1681
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 2: next yay and a coming right up. Yeah, it's a

1682
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 2: family affair. It certainly is. It's to see I know,

1683
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 2: I know. All right, Fox Sports Sunday on Fox Sports.

1684
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 2: Ready as Bucket Brooks and Andy Freman, We're live from

1685
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: the Fox Sports Radio studios.

1686
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 3: Time for yay on nay, here we go. Okay, let's

1687
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 3: figure rock those brains shut up.

1688
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: These stories needed us.

1689
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 4: I think we need a ruling on this.

1690
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 6: Yay or nay.

1691
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 2: Yes, it is Patty, our executive producer. You got one

1692
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 2: for us, buddy.

1693
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 6: Oh, I do got one for us, Andy, And you're

1694
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 6: not gonna like the one that I just picked for

1695
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 6: you guys right now, because well it's gonna go against

1696
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 6: your New York Knicks. So with that said, with this one, guys,

1697
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 6: the New York Knicks are going to hire a very

1698
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 6: underwhelming head coach yay or nay, Andy Ferman, because I'm

1699
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 6: going yay.

1700
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 3: I'm going ya.

1701
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,759
Speaker 2: Also, because Timbs was my guy seven years, two fifty

1702
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 2: win seasons, take up to the East Finals for the

1703
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 2: first time in twenty five years. I'll tell you what

1704
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 2: the next guy in line would have been, Red Holtzman.

1705
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 2: I take Red Holtzman's corpse of the before anybody else there.

1706
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 2: You go go ahead, Buck, I'd say no.

1707
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 5: I think they're gonna hire someone that exeeds Thibodeaux because

1708
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 5: they're forced to given all the backlash and virtue all

1709
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 5: that has been I supposed at the New York Knicks.

1710
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 5: Dola's gonna find somebody that is going to win the

1711
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 5: presser and it's going to make people be like, oh,

1712
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,759
Speaker 5: I see the ingenuity behind the next decision.

1713
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a big name.

1714
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 5: We don't know who their name is, but a big

1715
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,759
Speaker 5: name is going to be in New York on the sideline.

1716
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 3: Maybe read out of that. Yeah, maybe Phil Jackson big.

1717
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I feel that idea. Maybe he'll come back.

1718
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 2: All right, Patty, what's up?

1719
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 6: Well, guys, we're in the NBA, and so NBA playoffs

1720
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 6: are now in mid June. But honestly, let's talk MLB.

1721
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 6: Is there season too long? Yay or nay?

1722
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 5: Bucky Brooks, Yes, it's too long because we don't even

1723
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 5: can't even realize that baseball.

1724
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 4: Is going on right now.

1725
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 5: Like I mean, I know the Dodgers in first place,

1726
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 5: that's all I care about. But yeah, I mean, like

1727
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 5: it doesn't get going into August. No one's really paying

1728
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 5: attention into August. Yes, a little too long. They got

1729
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:51,839
Speaker 5: to figure got a way to make it more exciting.

1730
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 3: Sure not, I'm with you.

1731
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 2: Yay, it's too long because you can't concentrate on one. You know,

1732
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 2: every sport now has their own fans there's no out.

1733
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 2: The sports are overlapping, so you can't be an overlapping fan.

1734
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 3: You have to zoom into one.

1735
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 2: Like I'd love to follow the hockey playoffs a little better,

1736
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 2: I can't. Okay, my wife does that for me because

1737
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 2: she's Canadian and she's already Fadminton.

1738
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 3: So that's it, all right, guys.

1739
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 6: Well, is Father's Day the very best day of the

1740
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,480
Speaker 6: year for all the dads? Can you name a better day?

1741
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 6: Yay or nay? Andy Furman, It's the best day.

1742
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: Of the year.

1743
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 3: You know why.

1744
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 2: I don't have to spend any money to buy gifts

1745
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 2: for anybody. I just sit on my rear end all

1746
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 2: day long. I love Father's Day.

1747
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 4: His Father's Day the best day for dads.

1748
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 5: I must say no, And I'm gonna say this using

1749
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 5: college football is my analogy.

1750
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 4: I think New Year's Day.

1751
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 5: Is probably a better day if you go back and

1752
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 5: you think about all the times when we grow, all

1753
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 5: the bowl games, all the football that is on, all

1754
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,799
Speaker 5: the festivities. I kind of think that New Year offers

1755
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 5: a better day for dads because I get a chance

1756
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 5: to sit around and watch and watch ball all day.

1757
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 3: Snows us I like them.

1758
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 6: Well, I got we may have snow in that time,

1759
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 6: but I tell you what we don't have here. Trey

1760
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 6: Hendrickson a now holdout for the Bengals. Did they bag

1761
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 6: the entire season? Yay or nay? Bucky Brooks, I.

1762
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 5: Mean, look, they are bagging it because they keep messing

1763
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 5: up the contract stuff. Officially, they'll be good, but their

1764
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 5: problem wasn't offense, it was defense and two of their

1765
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 5: better players Wilburd proposing Stuart would be one of the

1766
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 5: better players.

1767
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 4: They're not a camp, they haven't been around, they're just gone.

1768
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,879
Speaker 5: So yeah, bagged the season for the Cincinnati Bengals.

1769
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta believe that they'll beg the season. But

1770
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 2: I don't think Trey Hendrickson's going to bag the season.

1771
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 2: I think if he doesn't play this year, he needs

1772
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 2: to see a psychiatrist, you know, to turn down sixteen mil.

1773
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 3: Really, I mean, come on, but a lot of meals.

1774
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 2: So I think the Bengals will bag the season if

1775
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 2: they don't sign him, and the fans will bag them too.

1776
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 6: All right, Final one here, guys. The Savannah Bananas were

1777
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 6: in Cincinnati this weekend. Should the MLB take them page

1778
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 6: out of their script book? Final?

1779
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 5: Yay?

1780
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 6: Or nay, Andy nay.

1781
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 3: I may come on.

1782
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,879
Speaker 2: It's great, it's comedy, it's theatrics, it's good script.

1783
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 3: But you can't see it every night, can't do it.

1784
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 4: I mean I like him. They kind of a globe trotters.

1785
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 4: Keep him going.

1786
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,839
Speaker 3: All right, Loogo got married? That's next on Fox.

1787
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 6: Stay here, keep it here.

1788
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 2: Oh does this quarterback really have a future? That's coming

1789
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 2: right off? Good morning everybody. Happy Father's Day to one

1790
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 2: and old dads. Really he's Bucky Brooks, he's a great dad.

1791
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 2: I'm Andy Freman, and we are here to entertain and

1792
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 2: inform you for at least this one hour. And we're

1793
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 2: broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.

1794
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 3: Here we go.

1795
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 2: And you know I would say this, I gotta challenge you,

1796
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks and challenging you right now because we did

1797
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 2: the yay or nay, and we said, is Father's Day

1798
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 2: the best day of the year for dads? And I

1799
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 2: said it was? You said it was New Year's Day.

1800
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: I need for you to expound on that. Because Father's

1801
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 2: Day you do whatever you want because you're permitted to

1802
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 2: do whatever you want. You're told by your family members,

1803
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 2: your wife, you spouse, your kids, it's your day, dad,

1804
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 2: do what you want to do on New Year's Day? Yeah,

1805
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 2: you got the Bowl games to watch. But you know,

1806
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 2: by the way, could you take the trash out? By

1807
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 2: the way, I need to get some groceries, right, I mean,

1808
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 2: come on, it's different, Okay.

1809
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 4: So we talked about the very first segment. Is there

1810
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:27,799
Speaker 4: a NBA game on today? No? Is there a football

1811
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 4: game on today? No?

1812
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 3: No?

1813
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 4: Is there a hockey match on today?

1814
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 6: No?

1815
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 5: I'm relegated to just watching baseball. And I'm a baseball fan,

1816
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 5: but that's not ideal on my day when I think

1817
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 5: about New Year's Day, Like, what's the hard part for

1818
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 5: dads on New Year's Day?

1819
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 4: Nothing.

1820
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 5: You've already gone past Christmas or Hanuka, the holidays, those

1821
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,719
Speaker 5: are done, so you don't have to worry about gifts

1822
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 5: or anything like that. Like what did we really do

1823
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 5: on New Year's Eve? So you party New Year's Eve

1824
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 5: and then you're recovering all day New Year's Day. So

1825
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 5: with all the games being on, you have your choice

1826
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 5: typically of college and pro games on. You don't have

1827
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 5: any real obligations, like you don't have to go see

1828
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 5: like families everywhere, Like you're at the house it's the

1829
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 5: same thing, but in a better sport in terms of

1830
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 5: better opportunity for watching sports, because not only can you

1831
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 5: watch college you can watch NBA. You may even get

1832
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 5: some other stuff on to tickle your fancy, like college basketball.

1833
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 5: You just have more options when it's New Year's Day

1834
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 5: as opposed to what it is when they kind of

1835
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 5: lump us and then whenever they can fit us in

1836
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 5: the middle of June.

1837
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 2: So you're saying that Father's Day would be better if,

1838
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 2: in fact, there was an NBA game on.

1839
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 5: Today, I mean anything, I mean, it's something to watch,

1840
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 5: Like what are we watching?

1841
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 4: I mean golfers on the US Open, but there's nothing on.

1842
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 5: So somebody dropped the ball there where they went Father's

1843
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 5: Day and then put a major I mean, someone say

1844
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 5: golf is a major event, but they didn't put another

1845
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 5: notable sport.

1846
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 4: It's just weird.

1847
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,560
Speaker 2: You know, last night I was channel surfing and I

1848
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 2: couldn't believe what I saw they had on the Four

1849
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 2: Letter Network pillow fighting?

1850
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 3: Pillow fighting? Has it come to that really.

1851
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 4: That I've seen those pillow fights.

1852
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 5: They're they're kind of intense, the handles they knock people

1853
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 5: down and around.

1854
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:17,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, but evidently.

1855
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 3: People betting on that their odds on that too.

1856
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 4: Everybody else. That's that's why it'sa on TV. It has

1857
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 4: to be it has to be something unbelievably.

1858
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 3: Really, I think that you hit on something.

1859
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 2: And maybe they should move Father's Day to like New

1860
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 2: Year's Day for that, you know, they should they poll

1861
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 2: dads what they really want for Father's Day, not in

1862
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 2: the middle of June. You know, when there's a big

1863
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 2: sports day, right, maybe the first day of the NFL

1864
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 2: season that should be Father's Day. Well that's usually on

1865
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 2: a Thursday, now Sunday.

1866
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 9: Maybe they should. Maybe they should kind of move there.

1867
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 9: Let's start working around good. Let's talk about marriage. And

1868
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 9: he's married right now, I guess they say Aaron Rodgers

1869
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 9: is officially a married man.

1870
01:23:57,960 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 3: It's amazing. Okay.

1871
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 2: During the first press conference with the Steelers the other day,

1872
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 2: I think it was Tuesday, he said that he got

1873
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 2: married during the off season.

1874
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 3: Here's my question.

1875
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:10,679
Speaker 2: Okay, the big gas bag, the big mouth, Pat McAfee,

1876
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 2: his buddy who's on his show. How come Aaron didn't

1877
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 2: announce it on his show if they're so tight, you

1878
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 2: know why? Because Pat didn't pay him to announce it.

1879
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 2: He was getting paid to be on that show, right,

1880
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 2: you would think, Look, if he was so tight, But

1881
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 2: if I had something big.

1882
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 3: Going on, I mean, I'm not in the Aaron Rodgers league.

1883
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,560
Speaker 2: I never will be. Maybe something I didn't know, but

1884
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 2: I don't whatever it may be. And I was on

1885
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 2: the radio with you, I would tell you I would, okay,

1886
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 2: and I'm sure you feel the same way. But maybe

1887
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 2: he didn't. Maybe he's like, he's a guest. He's Pat

1888
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 2: McAfee's guest. He couldn't tell McAfee that that he got married.

1889
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 2: Come on, I bet McAfee wasn't even be invited to

1890
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 2: the wedding.

1891
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 4: He just wanted to be private.

1892
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,759
Speaker 5: Little privacy, little privacy, that's all you wanted, look privacy.

1893
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 5: So he didn't. He didn't share. We don't know, No

1894
01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 5: one knows, mystery woman so figured it out knowing.

1895
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 3: No, he got married.

1896
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 2: Okay, now that he's married, maybe he'll be a papa

1897
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 2: suit and he'll celebrate Father's Day soon too.

1898
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, that's great.

1899
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 4: You get a chance to do it all.

1900
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 2: All right, So we're talking to Aaron Rodgers. He got

1901
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 2: married and he announced it the media, and he's off

1902
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 2: the market. He's off the market in more ways than

1903
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 2: one because he was obviously being courted, I guess by

1904
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 2: the Giants. But now the Steelers get him. Okay, I

1905
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 2: got to get some questions answered here, some questions at

1906
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 2: forty one years of age, does he or can he

1907
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,480
Speaker 2: or how much stability does he bring to the quarterback

1908
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 2: position in Pittsburgh.

1909
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 5: Look, he brings a lot of stability to the position.

1910
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's that much more of an

1911
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 5: upgrade over Russell Wilson and what he brought, but yeah,

1912
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 5: I mean he gives them a stability because he's a

1913
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 5: he's an experienced player, he's a vet. He's had a

1914
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 5: lot of success, four time MVP, super Bowl Champ, all

1915
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 5: those things. Now, he hasn't had a great playoff run

1916
01:25:58,040 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 5: of late, but neither had the Stealers. So they look

1917
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 5: with someone that can spark them, ignite them, to help

1918
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 5: them get over the top.

1919
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 4: He might be good enough to do that.

1920
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 5: He can't do everything, but if you can do some

1921
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 5: things that help him, less is more in this situation.

1922
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 2: See here's the question I have. I mean, everybody has

1923
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 2: a different answer to the same question. I say that

1924
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 2: how can he bring stability if he's probably only going

1925
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 2: to be there for a year. But they don't say

1926
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 2: anything at all about stability in Cleveland with Joe Flacco,

1927
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 2: and he's the same age. You can't build for the future,

1928
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,440
Speaker 2: I don't think with a forty one year old quarterback.

1929
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 3: So what kind of stability is that.

1930
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 5: You can't build for the future in that situation. But

1931
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 5: you can't build a bridge. He can build a bridge.

1932
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 5: So you can get the young guys up and going.

1933
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 5: You can have him model the behavior, show them, teach

1934
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,440
Speaker 5: them the way while getting them back into the postseason,

1935
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 5: and then have someone pick up the baton from there.

1936
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 5: That would be a perfect scenario for the Pittsburgh Steellers.

1937
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, we'll see. But honestly, it's a year to

1938
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 4: year league.

1939
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 5: You can't even really spend a lot of time looking

1940
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 5: too far in advance because the lead changes too many flips,

1941
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 5: too many transactions to say that, hey, we do this,

1942
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 5: it's gonna be like this next year. You just got

1943
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 5: to play out the hand that you got. This is

1944
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 5: much like a poker game. Ooh ooh, I don't like

1945
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 5: my cars. Oh, well, figured it out.

1946
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 2: I figured a way to make it happen, all right, now,

1947
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:26,839
Speaker 2: I'm concerned about the relationship between the coach, Mike Tomlin

1948
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 2: and Aaron Rodgers. Right now, they have some sort of

1949
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:31,640
Speaker 2: a romance going on. I guess he was at a

1950
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 2: barbecue that Tomlin threw the other day and they love

1951
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 2: each other, love e W.

1952
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 3: Right now, we'll see what happens after the first game.

1953
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,759
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens if they go oh one three, Okay,

1954
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 2: that's down the road.

1955
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 3: Remains to be seen.

1956
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 2: But neither one of them has appeared in the Super

1957
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 2: Bowl since the twenty ten season. And by the way,

1958
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 2: in twenty ten, there was Rogers who was playing for

1959
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers. He got the better of Mike Tomlin.

1960
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 2: They were playing for the steelers'll steal his Packers back

1961
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,640
Speaker 2: in twenty ten. So we'll see what happens right now,

1962
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 2: because they both really truly want that other ring. I

1963
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to happen in Pittsburgh this year,

1964
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 2: but certainly, you know, Aaron Rodgers wants to go out

1965
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 2: talking about his legacy. He wants to do what Tom

1966
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,719
Speaker 2: Brady did and Tampa, when Tom Brady called it quitch,

1967
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 2: he walked out on top.

1968
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 5: Everybody wants to go that's a Hollywood I mean, that's

1969
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 5: a Hollywood ending right there, right to walk off in

1970
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 5: the sunset with a title in hand. We saw Peyton

1971
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 5: Manning do it, even though some would say they did

1972
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 5: it in spite of him and his lack of efforts.

1973
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 5: But looky he walked off. Tom Brady's been able to

1974
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 5: do it. Aaron Rodgers becomes the next to do it.

1975
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 5: To think about it, if you're gonna be next, you

1976
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 5: have to be able to join a team that has

1977
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 5: all the pieces in place to be able to thrive

1978
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 5: in flourish, and then you have to hope that the

1979
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 5: chemistry and connectivity happens right away. That bond between all

1980
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 5: the pass catches and those things has to be real.

1981
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 5: And if they do that, then they gives them a

1982
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 5: chance to get better on the field, to get to

1983
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 5: gain the trust of the quarterback, and then ultimately the

1984
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 5: quarterback has to trust each individual so he can I'm

1985
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 5: fired the ball in the spot.

1986
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 4: I know my guy's gonna get it.

1987
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 5: If they get to that point, maybe, just maybe they're

1988
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 5: dangerous enough to make some noise.

1989
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 6: You know.

1990
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 2: It's funny because everything that I've been reading said that

1991
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 2: as far as Rogers was concerned. He was about a

1992
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 2: good a veteran as Tomlin could have hoped to get.

1993
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 2: My question is this, I don't think Mike Tomlin, if

1994
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 2: you were to get him in a room one on one,

1995
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 2: I don't think he was really that happy at getting him.

1996
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,879
Speaker 2: I don't think we read that much about Mike Tomlin

1997
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 2: raithing for Aaron Rodgers, right. I think it was Rooney.

1998
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 2: It was Rooney the second who basically was the one

1999
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 2: going public saying he's going to get him, he wants him,

2000
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 2: that that was his deal. I don't think Mike Tomlin

2001
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 2: really was too keen. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think

2002
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 2: he was too keen on Aaron Rodgers. Will never find

2003
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 2: that out. I don't think Mike Tomlin will ever say

2004
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 2: anything like that.

2005
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say that it doesn't really matter. All

2006
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 5: that is water under bridge. I think the main thing

2007
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 5: is what is their relationship now?

2008
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 4: Now? How can they build it out going forward?

2009
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 5: So whatever they had to say, they saw each other

2010
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 5: the barbecue, Hopefully they had those things out and they

2011
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 5: came away saying hey, after the day like we're good.

2012
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 4: And if they do that then they have a chance.

2013
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:19,720
Speaker 5: But you talk about two people talk about I can't

2014
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 5: even imagine their pr staff. Just the polarization of both players,

2015
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 5: just NonStop.

2016
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 3: It's really amazing. Now here's the deal. I have more

2017
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:31,759
Speaker 3: questions for you. Are you ready?

2018
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 2: I got a couple of more questions for you. I

2019
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 2: want to know what went wrong with the Russell Wilson experiment.

2020
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 2: What went wrong then? Why couldn't they keep Russell Wilson?

2021
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, Look, I don't know what went

2022
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:46,639
Speaker 5: wrong like that. They's unfortunately lost their last five games

2023
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:50,959
Speaker 5: in a row. Russell didn't play like great. He wasn't terrible.

2024
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 5: They didn't lose because of him, because they just couldn't

2025
01:30:56,040 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 5: offensively score enough points. That falls on everybody played, call quarterback,

2026
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 5: pass catchers, platemakers, protectors, all of that.

2027
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 4: Everyone has to do a better job. So that's the

2028
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 4: main deal.

2029
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 2: Okay, next, Okay, DK Metcalf right now, he's a Pittsburgh Steeler.

2030
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 3: How long is it going to.

2031
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:20,759
Speaker 2: Be until DK met laugh Metcalf pointing fingers at Aaron Rodgers.

2032
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 2: Metcalf is an outside deep threat right there. I'm not

2033
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 2: so certain that he and UH and Aaron Rodgers are

2034
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 2: going to mix. Maybe I'm wrong. I just have a

2035
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 2: feeling that there's going to be problems with DK and

2036
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers.

2037
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 4: Uh, maybe it depends on who says to tone early.

2038
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 5: And Rogers has the ball, so ultimately he gets to

2039
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 5: set the tone. He gets to demand a little more

2040
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 5: from DK in terms of where to be. Hey, you

2041
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 5: want to get the ball. You got to be at

2042
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 5: this fight. You don't get this fight, you don't get

2043
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 5: a treaty. So that's he determined. Uh, the pecking order,

2044
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:58,680
Speaker 5: DK metcalf can he can talk about it.

2045
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 4: He can't do anything because he knows quarterback has a rock.

2046
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 2: My next question is what does DK stand for?

2047
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 4: M dat I don't then I have no idea. All right,

2048
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:10,640
Speaker 4: we move on.

2049
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Mason Rudolph. Here's a guy basically was

2050
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 2: a stealer. He was a stealer starter in and out

2051
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 2: of times for six years. He was roll his role

2052
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 2: this year before Aaron Rodgers. He was going to be

2053
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 2: QB one right and as a stealer, starter, spots starter

2054
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 2: in those six years he was eight four and one.

2055
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 3: What does this do for Mason Rudolph? Right now?

2056
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 2: I love Mason. I followed him at Oklahoma State. I

2057
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 2: thought he'd be a top quarterback. Not maybe not a

2058
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 2: game changer, maybe not an elite quarterback, but at least

2059
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 2: a serviceable quarterback in the National Football League. It seems

2060
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 2: to me he can't catch a break, but really, truly,

2061
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 2: he's one injury away. He's an injury away. Do you

2062
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 2: think about it?

2063
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like, so much of being successful in

2064
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 5: the league is being around long enough that you do

2065
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 5: catch a break and you finally get your chance. The

2066
01:32:57,800 --> 01:32:59,679
Speaker 5: thing he is knowing can tell you when that's gonna happen,

2067
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 5: so you'll always have to stay ready, which is actu mentally,

2068
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 5: but it's just part of the deal.

2069
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like it's it's tough. It's tough to.

2070
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 5: Get everything that you want when you wanted, how you

2071
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 5: want to deliver. So you hope that you're lucky enough

2072
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 5: to get that chance, and you don't want it to

2073
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 5: be at someone else's expense. But however you get it,

2074
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 5: when you get it, you got to take advantage of it.

2075
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 4: All right.

2076
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Author Smith, the guy who closed the

2077
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 2: plays right. He usually works best when he has a run,

2078
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:35,839
Speaker 2: heavy attack, play action right. Athletic quarterback obviously, Aaron Rodgers

2079
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 2: no longer is what you call an athletic quarterback. Does

2080
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 2: he have to change his scheme? What's the deal with

2081
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 2: Arthur Smith? Is he real happy with this? And what

2082
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 2: happens he has to change the playbook around?

2083
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 5: Well, yes, to certainly put some pages in and take

2084
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 5: some pages off to some things that I'm workingducer to

2085
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 5: his own set of seals. But man, it's such a

2086
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 5: tough and unique deal. You just got to do the

2087
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 5: best that you can try and figure it out, trying

2088
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 5: and put yourself in a position to be the player,

2089
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 5: be the team that you wanted to be at the

2090
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:08,639
Speaker 5: end of the thing.

2091
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 2: It's tough, though, okay for the uninformed like me, for

2092
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 2: the stupid people, And there's a lot of stupid people

2093
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 2: out there. On one of them tell me, I've never

2094
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 2: seen a playbook because it's like gold. You can't get

2095
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 2: when I mean, players get fine when they lose playbooks,

2096
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 2: don't they You just can't lose. You have to have it,

2097
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 2: should attach it to your body like a tattoo.

2098
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 3: How big is it? What is it like? And do

2099
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 3: they get quizzed on it?

2100
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 2: To tell me a typical playbook, you know, a brief

2101
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 2: synopsis of what a playbook is.

2102
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 5: Changed because the playbook now would be the iPad that

2103
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 5: is around you. You know, the iPad, everything you can

2104
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 5: get in download, look at all you tape all of that,

2105
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 5: and upon being released from the team, you have to

2106
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 5: turn that stuff back in because it's.

2107
01:34:55,040 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 4: Valuable insight and information. It is al Let me.

2108
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 5: Talk about maybe three hundred pages, a lot of accident holes.

2109
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 5: You go through everything, rules, regulations, expectations, standards, how we stretch,

2110
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 5: how we.

2111
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,639
Speaker 4: Get down, what do we look like, do we want

2112
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 4: to run on and.

2113
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 5: Off the field. What are the things that we're passionate about. Okay,

2114
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 5: then here's the scheme. Here's the scheme. Let me thumb

2115
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 5: through the pages and you have everything you first down,

2116
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 5: we go from a defensive standpoint. You get your first down,

2117
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 5: second out, blitz calls, fronts and coverages.

2118
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 4: Third down is a unique deal, all of them.

2119
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 5: So I'm very much like little And then you have

2120
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:33,680
Speaker 5: all the things at the back in terms of if

2121
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 5: you have to put notes down or if someone said

2122
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 5: anything to you you wanted to note, all of those

2123
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 5: things do there. So it's yeah, it's a lot different

2124
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 5: than people would think. The job is a job, and

2125
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 5: a lot of people don't see it as that but

2126
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 5: the job is a job.

2127
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 2: Okay, you work for the Jacksonville franchise. Do you get

2128
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 2: a copy of the playbook?

2129
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 6: Oh?

2130
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 4: I do not. I do not. I wish I would

2131
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 4: help me expand my mind. I don't.

2132
01:35:57,439 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 5: I don't get a copy of the playbook. I can

2133
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 5: look at tapes just like everybody else. But yeah, no

2134
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:03,559
Speaker 5: special privileges when it comes to that.

2135
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 2: So so who In other words, if there's a fifty

2136
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 2: three man roster, the fifty three players get a playbook,

2137
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 2: and the coaching staff gets it, and that's it. The

2138
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 2: equipment guide doesn't get it. No one else gets it.

2139
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 4: Just them, nobody, nobody else gets it. Those guys get it.

2140
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 5: They get a smaller version, a version that's been shrunk

2141
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 5: down and small that you can kind of refer to.

2142
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 5: But yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no breaks, no

2143
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 5: sacred cows.

2144
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 2: Okay, last, but not least. Okay, But this is something

2145
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 2: I want to know if if a person's released or

2146
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 2: trade it to one team and another, especially if it's

2147
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 2: on an IPID, you could make a copy of it.

2148
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 3: Did take it to another team with them?

2149
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 5: We've seen No no, no, no, no, no, no, that's

2150
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 5: no that that's done though, yeah, you gotta, you gotta

2151
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 5: turn all this stuff back in.

2152
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 3: Because you could make a copy if your ipick.

2153
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 5: I mean, look, I will say that maybe word on

2154
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 5: the street nineteen ninety five, ninety six, when I got

2155
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Speaker 5: to a team in Green Bay and it was my

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01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 5: first opportunity to play in the westco offense, I might

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01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 5: have stayed up late at night making copies, doing things

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01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 5: to make sure that I had the playbook, maybe just

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Speaker 5: so I can have it, just to say that I

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Speaker 5: have it.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, like those things are valuable.

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Speaker 5: So now you try not to let them too many

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Speaker 5: people get their hands on it, and you definitely don't

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Speaker 5: want the outside world to get their hands on it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad you cleaned that up because I was

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01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:23,799
Speaker 2: always confused that the playbook it's like a Bible.

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Speaker 4: I guess really, I mean it is thick. It doesn't

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Speaker 4: need to be that thick if you're not going to

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Speaker 4: utilize all of it.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about Aaron Rodgers one last time.

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01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 2: He has lost twenty This is amazing. Really, he has

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01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:38,719
Speaker 2: lost twenty two of his last thirty six regular season starts.

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01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 2: He's had three defeats in his last four postseason games.

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Speaker 2: As far as Mike Thomains concerned, he's never had a

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Speaker 2: losing season in eighteen years. Can these two guys mix?

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Speaker 2: I mean Aaron Rodgers right now, you know he has

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Speaker 2: I would say this, he has some decent stats.

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Speaker 3: Last year.

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Speaker 2: I looked at the stats. They're almost a mirror image

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Speaker 2: of Josh Allen, really, but except they have more I

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01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 2: iNTS and the percentage wasn't as high. But other than that,

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01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 2: it was somewhat similar. And he flew for a lot

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01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,679
Speaker 2: of oddage. But can he get it done with Mike Thomlin.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a different thing now, would as

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Speaker 2: far as Mike Thomas.

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Speaker 5: Concerned, Yes, the different things a different thing for everyone involved.

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01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 5: The expectations, the standards of performance. The number one thing

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Speaker 5: that they have to have is Mike Tomlin and Aaron

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01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 5: Rodgers have to have a partnership and agreement that they're

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Speaker 5: gonna respect one another in the press, not gonna do

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01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 5: anything that go sneak this people out, that they're gonna

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01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 5: be very supportive of what's going on front facing. But

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01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 5: then I think you have to make sure that you

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01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 5: have a real conversation with Rogers about expectations, standards, those things.

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Speaker 4: Here's what we expect, here's what you keep it real.

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Speaker 5: You want to say true to us, you do these things,

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Speaker 5: We're good and you give o.

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Speaker 4: Us of things that you want done. Here were fine.

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Speaker 2: I tell you what. Believe it or not. I will

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01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 2: tell you this. There's a lot of pressure Rogers. Why.

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Speaker 2: I think that the Pittsburgh fans expect a certain way

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01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:09,600
Speaker 2: of playing, a certain status, so to speak. And the

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01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:13,960
Speaker 2: last time the Steelers played against them and saw Aaron

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01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 2: Rodgers in person, I think it was last October, and

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01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 2: he was picked off twice and they lost thirty seven

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Speaker 2: to fifteen. All right, So people are probably scratching their

2207
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 2: head in Pittsburgh saying, why do we want this guy?

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01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 2: I think he's coming in with a couple of strikes

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Speaker 2: against him. He's got to prove himself. It's hard to

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Speaker 2: believe that a forty one year old guy who probably

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01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 2: will very well more likely be a first ballot Hall

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01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:39,480
Speaker 2: of Famer has to prove himself to these fans in Pittsburgh.

2213
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 2: But they lived to a higher standard. And you know,

2214
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 2: we remember what we see last and it wasn't pretty.

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01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 3: It was ugly. The last time he was in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it wasn't pretty. So that's why he has

2217
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 5: to play and play really well. They have a high

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Speaker 5: standard in Pittsburgh because they are franchise that is won

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01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 5: numerous Super Bowls and everything they do is they compare

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01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:03,479
Speaker 5: it back to the glory days of the Steel Curtain

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01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 5: and Terry Bradshaw and Laan Swan and on Starwarths and

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01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:08,960
Speaker 5: all those guys, and then the defensive standards that were

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Speaker 5: created with Lambert and Ham and Me and Joe Green

2224
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 5: and all that. That's miss Pittsburgh is still stuck in

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01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 5: that place. So you know, everyone who takes the job's

2226
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 5: gonna have to show them that you know how to

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Speaker 5: win there with all of this stuff to surround you.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'll ask you, is you played for a

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01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 2: team that had that kind of a heritage so to

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Speaker 2: speak in Green Bay? When you walk into the locker

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01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,879
Speaker 2: room in Green Bay, do they have the past players

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01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 2: and all the pride and does a do something to

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01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 2: do as a player or you can care less?

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Speaker 5: I would say that depending on when when, if you

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01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:44,679
Speaker 5: talk about preseason, it's gonna be a lot of care

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Speaker 5: to it. But there'd be some people that are proferable

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01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 5: that look it does mean a lot to them because

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01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 5: they got to let go from those situations and it

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01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:57,760
Speaker 5: just trickles up, like the frustration about it all, like

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Speaker 5: it only goes up, it only escalates. But yeah, obviously

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Speaker 5: make them be the person that they want him to be.

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01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:06,760
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodser is going to have to kind of like

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Speaker 5: I won't say bow down, but he's certainly going to

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01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 5: have to be humble enough to listen to what Mike

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Speaker 5: Thomas putting out there.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll see you time will tell them. Will

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Speaker 2: be a heck of a storyline. But right now, it's

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Speaker 6: Head he stakes it down low pass pickered.

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Speaker 5: What an individual effort for Brad Marshan and the Panthers have.

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Speaker 4: Taken up three nothing lead here in game five.

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Speaker 3: How do you like that?

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Speaker 2: Florida Panthers Brad Marshan's second goal of the game. There

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Speaker 2: course we've got X Factors and at Bucky Brooks, at

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Speaker 3: And we've got the blame game coming up at the

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Speaker 3: end of this hour.

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Speaker 2: But right now he is finally talking and we're gonna

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Speaker 2: tell you who next.

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Speaker 3: He's another no show.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that in just about a minute. Good

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Speaker 2: after we get off the air. And we got the

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Speaker 2: blame game up in about twelve minutes from now, So

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Speaker 2: let's roll on. Okay, Bucky, guess who's talking right now.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't believe her. It's Kirk Cousins. Kurt Cousins is

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01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:13,680
Speaker 2: talking right now his future with the Atlanta Falcons, and

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01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:15,800
Speaker 2: he said he did it on Tuesday with the first

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Speaker 2: day of the mandatory mini camp. He's going to be

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Speaker 2: in his second year of a four year, one hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty million dollar contract, and he wanted a trade

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01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 2: earlier this offseason. He lost the starting job to a

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Speaker 2: rookie at last year, Michael Pennix Junior, during the final

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Speaker 2: three weeks of the season last year. And now basically

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01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:37,679
Speaker 2: he knows he's going to be relegated as a backup

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Speaker 2: as a backup, so I guess he knows his place,

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Speaker 2: although there's a chance he could get traded, especially maybe

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Speaker 2: if one of the teams of the other thirty one

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Speaker 2: teams maybe stuff as a season ending injury to their

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Speaker 2: starting quarterback. So there's a shot that he could not

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Speaker 2: be with the Falcons, But as of now, it looks

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Speaker 2: like he's going to be perhaps the most expensive backup

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Speaker 2: and maybe the best backup in the NFL right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean looks the writing's on the wall for

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Speaker 5: him because he's guaranteed a lot of money. He's guaranteed

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Speaker 5: over thirty seven million dollars over the next two years.

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Speaker 5: That money is going to him regards to whether he

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01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 5: plays or not. The Atlanta foul because it made the

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01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:16,599
Speaker 5: decision to if we're gonna pay him out, we might

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01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:19,840
Speaker 5: as well have him on the roster in case either

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Speaker 5: something happens to another team in injury in training camp

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01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:25,960
Speaker 5: or on the performance, or we have an injury on

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01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:27,519
Speaker 5: our team, we will make sure we have a high

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Speaker 5: end backup that's.

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Speaker 4: Able to start games.

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Speaker 5: The thing about Kirk Cousins is last year eighteen touchdown,

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Speaker 5: sixteen interceptions, but final five stars that he had he

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Speaker 5: only had one touchdown, nine interceptions, one touchdown nine interceptions,

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Speaker 5: So it wasn't trending in the right direction. And maybe

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Speaker 5: after being such a hot name on the trade market,

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Speaker 5: maybe some executives really started looking at the tape and

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Speaker 5: started saying.

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Speaker 4: No way, we're good, we do this with.

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Speaker 5: What we have, We're not going to overpay for someone

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Speaker 5: who's only gonna bring about middling production.

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Speaker 2: You would think that the Atlanta Falcons would rather not

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Speaker 2: pay a backup quarterback like Kirk Cousins money that a

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Speaker 2: starter would normally get. Kirk Cousins, they say, according to

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Speaker 2: published reports, he's due twenty seven point five million dollars

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Speaker 2: guaranteed this year to be a backup.

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Speaker 3: Not bad.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, twenty seven da guaranteed this year, then another ten

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01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 5: million next year as a roster bonus.

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Speaker 4: Early in the year.

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Speaker 5: So you're talking about thirty eight million dollars he's guaranteed. Yeah,

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01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 5: it ain't a whole lot of hard work. Then I'm

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01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 5: getting into it this one.

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Speaker 3: Hold that clipboard.

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01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:42,360
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean things are great.

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01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 5: If they have a good relationship, it can be very

2344
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 5: very positive. The only reason why is tricky is because

2345
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:50,760
Speaker 5: the Falcons signed him first, and they signed him to

2346
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,760
Speaker 5: that blockbuster deal. They don't do that, then we don't

2347
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Speaker 5: have nearly as much conversation about this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of questions.

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01:45:57,320 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 2: I just going down to the front overs to the

2350
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 2: Falcons just look, rather not pay him a start of

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01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:05,280
Speaker 2: salary and then again go back to cousins. He'd rather

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01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 2: not be a backup. So there's two things that play

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01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:10,719
Speaker 2: right here. But you know, it all depends if someone

2354
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 2: gets hurt and they can unload him with that contract.

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Speaker 3: I think they definitely would unload him. But there's a bigger.

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Speaker 2: Question, and I don't think people are even discussing it.

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Speaker 2: The bigger question is Michael Pennick Junior. I don't think

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Speaker 2: there's any guarantee that he becomes a starter or not

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01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:27,080
Speaker 2: a starter, but but a start Atlanta. You know, the

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Speaker 2: final of three weeks of last season, he finished with

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Speaker 2: a fifty eight percent completion percentage and he threw as

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Speaker 2: many interceptions as touchdowns three and three. I know he's

2363
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:40,639
Speaker 2: got a lack of experience, but what do you see

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Speaker 2: in Michael Pennix Junior. He's not going to be maybe

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Speaker 2: the guy they thought he'd be.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I think everyone's all wrong on that. If they're

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Speaker 5: taking that angle, I think he has the potential to

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Speaker 5: be a star. This dude is a big time flamethrower.

2369
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 5: He's about exactly as they come. When he came to

2370
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 5: pushing the ball down the field and watching him at

2371
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:01,560
Speaker 5: you'd after getting a chance to see him Indiana, completely

2372
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:04,599
Speaker 5: different player at the end of his run, confidence, swag,

2373
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:07,559
Speaker 5: gun slinging ability, he had all of that. But now

2374
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 5: from an IQ standpoint, he can anticipate what is going

2375
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:13,720
Speaker 5: to happen and he can act appropriately in terms of

2376
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 5: like countering the tactics that the defense is throwing at him.

2377
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 4: This dude has big time armtail.

2378
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:21,120
Speaker 5: I had a chance to see him before the game

2379
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 5: last preseason. The Jaguars were playing the Falcons, and the

2380
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:27,120
Speaker 5: Falcons didn't play the starters in the game, but they

2381
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:29,880
Speaker 5: worked them all out before the game, and watching him

2382
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:33,000
Speaker 5: throw with the ones, it was eye opening in terms

2383
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:36,040
Speaker 5: of how talented he is. He just needs the experience,

2384
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:38,519
Speaker 5: but the talent is there where he could. You could

2385
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 5: see him pop in a major way in this offense.

2386
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:43,200
Speaker 2: That's good enough for me. If I hear it out

2387
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:45,559
Speaker 2: of Bucket Brooks's mouth, that's good enough for me. He's

2388
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:47,360
Speaker 2: going to be a star in the National Football League.

2389
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:49,519
Speaker 2: You know, give him the three p's though. He needs

2390
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:52,800
Speaker 2: the three piece. He gets those good shit you.

2391
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:55,519
Speaker 5: Gotta get, yeah, play call the playmaker and pass protectors.

2392
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 4: You got to have those guys.

2393
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 3: There we go.

2394
01:47:57,320 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 2: Okay, So the mini camps kicked off in the NFL

2395
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 2: this past week, and a lot of those big names

2396
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:05,559
Speaker 2: in the National Football League were no shows, all right,

2397
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 2: so they'll probably get fun whatever it may be. And TJ.

2398
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 2: Watt didn't show. We mentioned Troy Hendrickson, he didn't show.

2399
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:14,559
Speaker 2: But there's a big hold out right now, and this

2400
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:17,880
Speaker 2: guy's got big time leverage and I think he's going

2401
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 2: to get what he wants. The wide receiver of the

2402
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 2: Washington command is Terry McLaurin. I mean, this guy didn't

2403
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:25,559
Speaker 2: show up and one of the I guess we could say,

2404
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 2: one of the steadiest pass catchers in the National Football League.

2405
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:31,639
Speaker 2: He was an old pro for the first time last year,

2406
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 2: his fifth straight season with at least one thousand yards

2407
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 2: and seventy five catches, and he led to the offense

2408
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 2: for Washington. You got to believe Jayden Daniels's crying for

2409
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:43,600
Speaker 2: this guy to be signed.

2410
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 5: Hundred percent, like he has to be signed. His dude

2411
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,760
Speaker 5: is terrific. They go and get Deebo Samon, which I

2412
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:52,519
Speaker 5: understood they got him. Need another playmaker out there. But

2413
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:56,639
Speaker 5: making no mistake, who's the person that butters the brid

2414
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 5: in Washington. That's Terry mclauren. But a guy who is look,

2415
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 5: I think he has the six most catches right up

2416
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:10,400
Speaker 5: there with touchdowns, ridiculous production that he's put up during

2417
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:13,280
Speaker 5: his time. And the thing that is the sticking point

2418
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 5: that everyone is going to hold firm on is he's

2419
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:18,679
Speaker 5: thirty years old, and so when you're thirty years old,

2420
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:20,760
Speaker 5: people are less likely.

2421
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:25,040
Speaker 4: To want to pay him. And here is the rub

2422
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:25,519
Speaker 4: that you have.

2423
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 5: So Terry McLaurin, he's making fifteen million dollars in twenty

2424
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 5: twenty five. Dk Metcalf just signed a five year, one

2425
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty million dollars.

2426
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 4: He's twenty eight years old.

2427
01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:40,760
Speaker 5: Mike Evans and DeVante Adams both signed deals that put

2428
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 5: them two years, forty one forty four million. So there's

2429
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 5: a huge disparity between the number that he wants and

2430
01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:53,240
Speaker 5: the age. Dk Metcalf being twenty eight, Mike Evans being

2431
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:55,880
Speaker 5: thirty but playing ten years, DeVante Adams being thirty two

2432
01:49:55,880 --> 01:49:58,600
Speaker 5: to thirty three, he's going to have to fall somewhere

2433
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:02,760
Speaker 5: near at caph and those guys just because of the

2434
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:03,839
Speaker 5: age and that factor.

2435
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:06,040
Speaker 4: But this should be one that they should work out.

2436
01:50:06,120 --> 01:50:07,839
Speaker 4: They need him. He's a model citizen.

2437
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:10,280
Speaker 5: He had to kiss he had to open their eyes

2438
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:12,240
Speaker 5: by not going to Minichamp. I think something gets done

2439
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 5: it before training camp.

2440
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:14,439
Speaker 3: It amazes me.

2441
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:19,679
Speaker 2: Okay, he's making twenty three point two million, okay, and

2442
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:22,240
Speaker 2: he was a bit risk.

2443
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:26,280
Speaker 4: Yeah this cap wise, but cash in hand, it's only

2444
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:27,960
Speaker 4: fifteen only fifteen million.

2445
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 3: Okay.

2446
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:32,839
Speaker 2: But if you look at the top fifteen, top fifteen

2447
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:35,759
Speaker 2: paid wide receivers in the National Football League, he's outside

2448
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:38,400
Speaker 2: of the top fifteen, which is unbelievable. The numbers that

2449
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:40,599
Speaker 2: he put up and he's not in the top fifteen.

2450
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:44,080
Speaker 2: That's crazy, isn't it top fifteen?

2451
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is crazy. I mean that's nuts. I mean

2452
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:50,880
Speaker 5: that's what it is.

2453
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:51,800
Speaker 4: Though. That's where we're at.

2454
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 5: Passing league, passing league, shifting priorities, that's how it all goes.

2455
01:50:56,640 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 2: What would be even crazier if Washington didn't so Moore

2456
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 2: they traded him, that would be And look, maybe the

2457
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:05,040
Speaker 2: age factor will come into play and maybe they will

2458
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:08,560
Speaker 2: trade him. And already they're looking at possible teams that

2459
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:10,840
Speaker 2: would vy for his services.

2460
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:12,080
Speaker 3: I would think everybody would.

2461
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:15,200
Speaker 2: But the top three, they say are the Las Vegas Raiders,

2462
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:18,120
Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Chargers, and the New York Jets and

2463
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 2: I can see Jim Harbaugh would.

2464
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:20,519
Speaker 3: Love this guy.

2465
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:22,880
Speaker 2: You know, he's got two big time running backs in

2466
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,320
Speaker 2: Hampton and Iris. But if he gets this guy for

2467
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:28,040
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert, I think that would really be a great

2468
01:51:28,120 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 2: offensive situation for the LA Chargers.

2469
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:33,800
Speaker 4: He would be a better upset the upper corp when

2470
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:34,719
Speaker 4: it comes to the money.

2471
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:39,080
Speaker 5: And let's be honest, the guys a captain in Washington,

2472
01:51:39,080 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 5: the guys everything that you want. A great leader. Had

2473
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:45,080
Speaker 5: a chance to see him early April. He come out

2474
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:48,080
Speaker 5: of the NFL network. He was doing NFL broadcasts boot camp,

2475
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:49,960
Speaker 5: so we had a chance to talk and do those things.

2476
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,559
Speaker 5: He has it together, man, He's an ultimate pro. These

2477
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:55,439
Speaker 5: are the guys that you want to reward. I am

2478
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:59,439
Speaker 5: sure that the contract situation is really about the money.

2479
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:00,880
Speaker 4: Did you pay him?

2480
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 5: Are you willing to overpay a little bit for the

2481
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:06,599
Speaker 5: great performance and production that he put up?

2482
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:08,640
Speaker 4: Or are you standing firm.

2483
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:12,559
Speaker 5: Those decisions to Adam Peters and Dan Quinn have to

2484
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 5: make when it comes to ay, what do I want

2485
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:15,719
Speaker 5: to give Terry mclauren.

2486
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:17,000
Speaker 4: Are we really did give him.

2487
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:20,680
Speaker 5: Full access into the club or do we need to

2488
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:23,080
Speaker 5: make sure that he comes in on a team friendly deal.

2489
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, Jayden Daniels has been very quiet in

2490
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:30,280
Speaker 2: this situation, not unlike Joe Burrow, who really has been

2491
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:34,719
Speaker 2: very very vocal, somewhat even attacking management in Cincinnati last

2492
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:37,200
Speaker 2: year with t Higgins and Jamar Chase enough stunning then

2493
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:39,559
Speaker 2: now Trey Hendrickson. He was asked the question, he's really

2494
01:52:39,640 --> 01:52:42,439
Speaker 2: upset about that, you know. And here's the thing. These

2495
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:45,599
Speaker 2: quarterbacks make so much money. Why, I know, it's kind

2496
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 2: of like putting my hand in their pocket. Why wouldn't

2497
01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:50,880
Speaker 2: I defer their salary to help their teammates and help

2498
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:51,240
Speaker 2: them win?

2499
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:52,200
Speaker 3: Why did they do that?

2500
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:58,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's certain things like football can't do it all

2501
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:02,080
Speaker 5: the way, like baseball where you have the Dodgers signing

2502
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 5: the billion dollar contracts, but they're deferring everything into twenty

2503
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:09,519
Speaker 5: sixty or whenever they did we Showy and all the

2504
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:11,880
Speaker 5: other big name guys. But you know, that's more of

2505
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 5: a baseball thing. That's a baseball cultural thing more so

2506
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:18,519
Speaker 5: than football. But you want to find a way to

2507
01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:22,160
Speaker 5: be creative so you can reward the guys, pay them

2508
01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:26,280
Speaker 5: what they need, what they deserve, while also of retaining

2509
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:28,839
Speaker 5: their services. They'll find a happy media and I'm confident

2510
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:29,479
Speaker 5: that it to happen.

2511
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:32,400
Speaker 2: You know, I will say this, you know, reading about

2512
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:34,479
Speaker 2: all these holdouts right now, not a lot of them,

2513
01:53:34,479 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 2: but big time, big name holdouts. One of the more

2514
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:40,680
Speaker 2: important positions on a football club right now is the

2515
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:45,320
Speaker 2: person who basically handles the budget and makes contracts. I mean,

2516
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 2: you've got to be very creative to do that, to

2517
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:49,720
Speaker 2: see if it could fit in and fit in under

2518
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 2: the cap. And those people hide in the back room,

2519
01:53:53,439 --> 01:53:55,960
Speaker 2: you don't know who they are, and then never interviewed,

2520
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:58,439
Speaker 2: and you don't know how they do what they do, right,

2521
01:53:58,560 --> 01:53:59,639
Speaker 2: that's the key I.

2522
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:02,920
Speaker 4: Think, Yeah, I mean like no one does but.

2523
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:04,560
Speaker 3: Jacksonville, who's the guy?

2524
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:08,400
Speaker 5: Uh, they've had turnover, so I can't remember, like they've

2525
01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:09,439
Speaker 5: had turnover at the top.

2526
01:54:09,479 --> 01:54:11,000
Speaker 4: So it's hard for me to know.

2527
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 5: But it looks it's always a collaborative effort, right, So

2528
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:20,360
Speaker 5: is the cat person, the coach, the general manager. Ownership

2529
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:22,479
Speaker 5: is involved. Okay, how do we want to do it?

2530
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:24,680
Speaker 5: These are significant contracts, so you've got to get the

2531
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:27,040
Speaker 5: sign off from ownership on what.

2532
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:27,760
Speaker 4: They'll go up to.

2533
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:31,759
Speaker 5: Those things matter, So it's look, it's a collaborative effort.

2534
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:33,560
Speaker 5: When you said it It's almost like in any business

2535
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 5: when you send in the budget the budget books, you

2536
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:39,200
Speaker 5: send in those lines, you got the line items. You know, Ay,

2537
01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 5: we'll pay this much for this is it's interesting that

2538
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:47,680
Speaker 5: they you would think that they would have been proactive

2539
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 5: to getting it done. I'm just kind of surprised they didn't.

2540
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:52,040
Speaker 5: They didn't get it done sooner rather than later.

2541
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:52,640
Speaker 4: All right.

2542
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:54,760
Speaker 3: By the way, we're live from the Fox Pust radio studios.

2543
01:54:54,760 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 2: He's Bucky Brooks, I mean froman and now it's time

2544
01:54:57,640 --> 01:55:00,720
Speaker 2: to let us in steam. It's to play game, and

2545
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:04,160
Speaker 2: it's freaking next. All right, the blame game coming right up.

2546
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:06,400
Speaker 2: It's about eleven minutes now before the top of the eye.

2547
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:08,080
Speaker 2: I remember at the top of the hour, it would

2548
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 2: be nine am on the East Coast. Countdown, countdown. What

2549
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:15,320
Speaker 2: a show that is. Brian No, Bill Krakenberger, Jeff Schwartz

2550
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:17,760
Speaker 2: will join you at the top of the hour. Okay,

2551
01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:21,120
Speaker 2: and we lie from the Fox Sports radio studios. And

2552
01:55:21,200 --> 01:55:24,600
Speaker 2: now it's time for the blame game with me.

2553
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:26,120
Speaker 3: It's all your fault.

2554
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:27,720
Speaker 6: No, it's your fault.

2555
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:29,240
Speaker 2: It's all your fault.

2556
01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:37,280
Speaker 3: Maybe it's everyone's fault. Who's the liar? That's why there's.

2557
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:37,760
Speaker 4: The blame game.

2558
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:40,120
Speaker 3: The blame game. Let's figure out who to blame.

2559
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:41,520
Speaker 6: He's lying.

2560
01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:42,720
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, he's Patty.

2561
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:43,080
Speaker 1: Patty.

2562
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:44,880
Speaker 3: I'm sorry you though, you're not a liar.

2563
01:55:45,200 --> 01:55:46,200
Speaker 6: Thank you?

2564
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:48,240
Speaker 3: Wow for the blame game. Are you ready?

2565
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:50,880
Speaker 6: I am ready? Wow, that's the first time I'm not

2566
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:54,680
Speaker 6: getting the blame today, guys. Let's go you here.

2567
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:55,040
Speaker 3: That's what.

2568
01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:57,160
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I'm happy to be back. And you

2569
01:55:57,240 --> 01:55:59,600
Speaker 6: know what, Andy, for the one that I picked for

2570
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:01,640
Speaker 6: the blame game, it's going to be a happier one.

2571
01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:05,120
Speaker 6: Well because neither this is not any of our teams here.

2572
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:06,480
Speaker 3: So well, his father's days.

2573
01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:07,800
Speaker 4: What true?

2574
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:11,160
Speaker 6: That said? Guys, So it's time to play the blame game.

2575
01:56:11,200 --> 01:56:13,520
Speaker 6: And you know who I blame, Andy? This is who

2576
01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 6: I blame, the Colorado Rockies. So, guys, the Rockies now

2577
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:22,760
Speaker 6: have the fewest wins through seventy games since eighteen ninety

2578
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:25,160
Speaker 6: nine when they were there. There's a team called the

2579
01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:30,080
Speaker 6: Spiders fewest wins in seventy games since that year eighteen

2580
01:56:30,360 --> 01:56:32,560
Speaker 6: ninety nine, back when there was a civil war in

2581
01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:35,760
Speaker 6: the Federation and all that stuff. Oo, do you blame Andy?

2582
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:38,360
Speaker 2: You know what, though, it's really easy to say I'm

2583
01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:40,240
Speaker 2: going to blame the manager, made the players, made the

2584
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 2: front office of draft picks.

2585
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:43,400
Speaker 3: No, I'm just really happy as happening.

2586
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:45,200
Speaker 2: You know why, because people are going to think out

2587
01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:47,560
Speaker 2: about the White Sox bad year, and they're certainly going

2588
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:49,280
Speaker 2: to thigk out about the one hundred and twenty losses of.

2589
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 3: The New York Mitch. So now it's all on you, Colorado.

2590
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:54,720
Speaker 2: You steak and you have to earn it, and you

2591
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:55,960
Speaker 2: know what, you'll be in the record book.

2592
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:57,560
Speaker 3: So what you're in the record books?

2593
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:00,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I blame it.

2594
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 5: They never should have been like this. Like I remember

2595
01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:04,480
Speaker 5: when the Rockies were decent. It was fun to go

2596
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:06,560
Speaker 5: downtown Denver and watch them play.

2597
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:09,800
Speaker 4: And then an absolutely terrible I blame management. They dropped

2598
01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 4: the ball on this.

2599
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:13,600
Speaker 5: They have dropped the ball and let this franchise fall

2600
01:57:13,680 --> 01:57:14,160
Speaker 5: to the monk.

2601
01:57:14,920 --> 01:57:17,000
Speaker 3: And it's a perfect bullpuck to hit him too.

2602
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:19,240
Speaker 2: Of course, I lived out there when they had what

2603
01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:21,480
Speaker 2: the Zephyrs, I think it was a minor league team,

2604
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:23,400
Speaker 2: and I used to watch them play with Barry Locklin

2605
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:25,080
Speaker 2: played for them before he went cold up for the

2606
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 2: for the Reds, they were the Red Triple eight team

2607
01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:30,680
Speaker 2: in Deadbor Well.

2608
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:33,560
Speaker 6: Speaking of Cincinnati. We're going to go from the Reds

2609
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:35,640
Speaker 6: to the Bengals for this one. So the Bengals again

2610
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:40,760
Speaker 6: having problems off field preseason with contracts and it's a

2611
01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:43,760
Speaker 6: lot of things, right, So who do you blame Bucky?

2612
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:47,960
Speaker 5: I mean, look, Mike Brown, Mike Brown says the tone.

2613
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:50,160
Speaker 5: As the owner, he could he could have all of

2614
01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:53,240
Speaker 5: this taken care of. If you wanted this team to

2615
01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:55,240
Speaker 5: be a great team, he could do it. Like you

2616
01:57:55,680 --> 01:57:58,040
Speaker 5: spend every expense, you don't, you spare no expenses. You

2617
01:57:58,120 --> 01:57:59,560
Speaker 5: make sure your players are taking care of. You put

2618
01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:01,600
Speaker 5: the players first, You take care of them, and then

2619
01:58:01,600 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 5: you put the pressure on them to perform because they

2620
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:04,839
Speaker 5: have everything.

2621
01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:06,400
Speaker 4: But right now he hasn't done that, which is why

2622
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:07,360
Speaker 4: the team is up and down.

2623
01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 2: You know, I would say this, it's really easy to

2624
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:13,120
Speaker 2: point the finger the mic and certainly he signs off

2625
01:58:13,120 --> 01:58:15,000
Speaker 2: on everything. I would think at this point in time,

2626
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:17,760
Speaker 2: he's a president, general manager, owner, he's a chief cook

2627
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:21,200
Speaker 2: and bottle washer. But after listening to you, I believe

2628
01:58:21,200 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 2: it could be the capologist's fault. Really, you know, get

2629
01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:28,320
Speaker 2: a capologist that could adjust the budget so everybody could

2630
01:58:28,360 --> 01:58:32,440
Speaker 2: get their worth. That's the problem.

2631
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:36,360
Speaker 6: Maybe maybe well, guys, I got a question for you,

2632
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:40,320
Speaker 6: what's next? And then for that, what's next for Michigan

2633
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:43,080
Speaker 6: in the sign stealing case with the NC double A

2634
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:45,320
Speaker 6: And who do you blame for this?

2635
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:48,360
Speaker 2: Andy Well, I hate to say it because I love

2636
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:50,920
Speaker 2: the man who playoff the jam. Blame Jim Hobbob because

2637
01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:52,760
Speaker 2: he was the head man. And you know, you're the

2638
01:58:52,760 --> 01:58:55,160
Speaker 2: CEO of the operations. You know what's going on. But

2639
01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:58,160
Speaker 2: you know it's a shame that if Michigan's penalized, and

2640
01:58:58,240 --> 01:59:01,240
Speaker 2: Michigan will get penalized, you know, we Harbaugh goes away.

2641
01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:03,920
Speaker 2: He's got big money coach in the NFL, and these

2642
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:06,280
Speaker 2: kids right now that are playing for Michigan, some even

2643
01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:09,880
Speaker 2: recruited by coach Harbaugh, I'll have to suffer the consequences.

2644
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:15,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ultimately, everyone's a blame. Harbaugh is responsible for some

2645
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:17,880
Speaker 5: of it, the coaches that were involved, the coaches that

2646
01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:19,600
Speaker 5: were involved in the cover up, they all have a

2647
01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:22,240
Speaker 5: hand in it. And then the athletic director Warman, you

2648
01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:24,880
Speaker 5: also get some of the blame, Like this is a

2649
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:27,920
Speaker 5: smudge on the brand that Michigan is.

2650
01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:30,160
Speaker 4: And even though they won the Natty and it was.

2651
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:32,640
Speaker 5: Worth it, it did kind of take away from that,

2652
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:34,080
Speaker 5: So everyone's to blame.

2653
01:59:36,640 --> 01:59:37,920
Speaker 4: I mean, nice, nice sound.

2654
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:42,760
Speaker 6: Effect, want to be belching, excuse indeed, I blame you

2655
01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:45,120
Speaker 6: for that one. Andy. So but that that said, we

2656
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:47,280
Speaker 6: got one more here. When the Twins and Royals were

2657
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:50,040
Speaker 6: in the World Series, no one made mention of small markets, right,

2658
01:59:50,240 --> 01:59:53,160
Speaker 6: but now with Okay, seeing Andy in the NBA Finals,

2659
01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:56,040
Speaker 6: it's like the biggest major talking point, Like of the year,

2660
01:59:56,520 --> 01:59:58,320
Speaker 6: who do you play, Bucky.

2661
01:59:59,520 --> 01:59:59,720
Speaker 2: Man.

2662
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:02,360
Speaker 4: We're just bored. We're bored in the house. You don't

2663
02:00:02,360 --> 02:00:03,280
Speaker 4: have anything to talk about.

2664
02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:06,880
Speaker 5: No one was watching the WNBA before then, no one's

2665
02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:07,680
Speaker 5: watching the India.

2666
02:00:07,760 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 4: Let we just we're just obsessed with.

2667
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:13,040
Speaker 5: Ratings, just ratings, ratings, ratings when it comes to basketball.

2668
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:13,560
Speaker 4: I'm tired of it.

2669
02:00:14,240 --> 02:00:16,000
Speaker 2: I played the media. You know, the media wants. They

2670
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:17,840
Speaker 2: want Hallick Burton and his dad, that's what they want.

2671
02:00:17,880 --> 02:00:18,360
Speaker 3: Anyway.

2672
02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:21,080
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening, Stay tuned, See you

2673
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:21,680
Speaker 2: next Sunday.

2674
02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:22,320
Speaker 3: A Fox