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Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented by

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Speaker 1: Zaxby's DJ. Bucky back with you, Buck. How you do man, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I am good. DJ. Like it's it's funny

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Speaker 1: like we're in that that I won't say that weird time,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, with the draft prep, it is a little

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Speaker 1: bit tricky right now. You know, I get names away,

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Speaker 1: And and okay, now let's let's I see if we

429
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Speaker 1: can identify guys that have those attributes rather than Okay,

430
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Speaker 1: let's just bring in a bunch of guys that are

431
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Speaker 1: on the top of the list, and we kind of

432
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Speaker 1: like what this guy said the most, so we're gonna

433
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Speaker 1: hire him, coach. I I'm glad that you you talked

434
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Speaker 1: about qualities there because I wrote down the ones that

435
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Speaker 1: that I would want in a head coach, and I

436
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Speaker 1: want to get your feedback on that and see maybe

437
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Speaker 1: there's some holes on what we're missing here. UM. I

438
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 1: talked about UM start with leadership, and and that envelops

439
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 1: being an excellent communicator, cast division, create the culture, and

440
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Speaker 1: be able to cultivate relationships individually, you know, downstairs, upstairs,

441
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Speaker 1: across the whole building a teacher, which I think is

442
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Speaker 1: is underutilized. Prioritizing the details, and that's in your preparation

443
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Speaker 1: and then also in your development with everybody individually. And

444
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Speaker 1: then the last one I thought I wrote down I

445
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 1: think the most important, which is authentic. UM. You're honest, reliable, dependable,

446
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 1: you kind of know who you are. You're comfortable in

447
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: your own skin. In terms of the mistakes that are made.

448
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've seen it, you've been around forever. Coach

449
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 1: like those. Mike Tomlin's very comfortable on who he is.

450
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 1: Andy Reid and Mike Tomlin be pull our opposite personalities,

451
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 1: but they're very authentic. You know exactly who they are.

452
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 1: Trying to hire somebody that's the junior version of somebody else.

453
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Speaker 1: And Bill Belichier could be a great example. I don't

454
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Speaker 1: don't try and be don't try and be Bill, just

455
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Speaker 1: be you. It's the classic. That's why the train of

456
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Speaker 1: or the litany of Bill belichick disciples Joe Gibbs was

457
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: the same way. Those guys, for whatever reason, did not

458
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Speaker 1: do well because they tried to be many Joe Gibbs.

459
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Speaker 1: They tried to be many Bill Belichick's, which you're exactly right.

460
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Speaker 1: If you're trying to be somebody else, you cannot sustain it.

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Speaker 1: It all sounds good up front. I've often said it's

462
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Speaker 1: leaving coaching, particularly my corporate speaking, when people have always said, well,

463
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Speaker 1: why don't you go back into coaching, and my answer

464
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 1: has always been, well, they want young and cheap, and

465
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Speaker 1: I'm neither. So I'm but but I said if I

466
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Speaker 1: and I learned a lot, I gotta tell you I

467
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Speaker 1: learned a lot when I left and and was doing

468
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: game for Fox, because what I do every Friday, I'm

469
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Speaker 1: sitting in another building talking to players, coaches, general managers, owners.

470
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: I'm watching, in many instances invited into meetings and watching

471
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Speaker 1: how they practice and how they do this. UM have

472
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Speaker 1: said in virtually every imagine getting to sit in your

473
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Speaker 1: competitors boardroom. So I said, if I did come back

474
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Speaker 1: to coaching, and I would be better at it because

475
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Speaker 1: of that experience. Here's exactly what I do. One and

476
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Speaker 1: you begin with a certain fundamental knowledge of the game.

477
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Speaker 1: Those that are interviewing from the football stamp quite frankly,

478
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Speaker 1: and I always tell guys that I mentored in terms

479
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Speaker 1: of interview I always tell them, remember you're the expert

480
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Speaker 1: because quite frankly, the guys that are asking you the

481
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Speaker 1: question don't even know the right question to ask, Okay,

482
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Speaker 1: most in since they've never really done it. So when

483
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Speaker 1: it comes to the football part of it, you're the expert.

484
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Speaker 1: But now with regards the other thing, I would first

485
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Speaker 1: bring together obviously the best staff I could, and we

486
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Speaker 1: were pretty good at that. In terms of the best

487
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Speaker 1: quality of people, the diversity that you want, you don't

488
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Speaker 1: want all the same guy. You know, players have to

489
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Speaker 1: be able to go and sound off at different people.

490
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Speaker 1: Everybody brings something a little different to the table. So

491
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Speaker 1: you put the best staff can together. You create a

492
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Speaker 1: unified vision for where you're going. And it's amazing how

493
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Speaker 1: often that doesn't happen. Offense, defense, special teams, the organizational hole.

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Speaker 1: What where is it we think we are? Where are

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Speaker 1: we going? What kind of athletes do we need to

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Speaker 1: get there? And do we have the same are we have?

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Speaker 1: You can sconge it around, we can disagree, but at

498
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, do we have this shared

499
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Speaker 1: vision in terms of what we're looking for? Play like

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Speaker 1: a raven was the term, right uh, DJ, that we

501
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Speaker 1: talked about. And then as the head coach, my job

502
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Speaker 1: would be to spend every waking minute, player by player,

503
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Speaker 1: every person in the organization, pushing them towards the leadership

504
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Speaker 1: of the coaches to make sure that they were following

505
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Speaker 1: that vision that we had set. And you're right, DJ,

506
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Speaker 1: it say day today, it's not a one lecture, one

507
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Speaker 1: size fit. I mean it's a day today touching every

508
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Speaker 1: player to a less degree, but still everybody in the

509
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Speaker 1: organization as well to make sure that we're all, you know,

510
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Speaker 1: reading from the same him real real quick. But I

511
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Speaker 1: want to just finish that point in their coach we

512
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Speaker 1: had Dave Robertson just won the World Series with the Dodgers,

513
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Speaker 1: and he talked about um that we talked about all

514
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Speaker 1: the time, but he said he would try and really

515
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Speaker 1: schedule time every day with different players individually to have

516
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Speaker 1: that one on one where they are, where they need

517
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Speaker 1: to go, what they need to do to get there.

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Speaker 1: And we've kind of said, if you're gonna get somebody's

519
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 1: got the best scheme in the world, that's gonna hide

520
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Speaker 1: in his corner office and draw plays up all day

521
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: long like you got the wrong guy, right that and

522
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Speaker 1: it doesn't exist that that that guy does not exist.

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Speaker 1: And so that interaction and as you know, DJ, that's

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons I ran the scout teams. The

525
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Speaker 1: reason I did that is it forced me to touch

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Speaker 1: everybody on the team. On you know, the starters you

527
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Speaker 1: normally have interaction, but that next level guy. Because I

528
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: was running the scout team the prep team on both sides,

529
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Speaker 1: and Denny Green taught me that and it was a

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Speaker 1: way for me to touch the players and interact with

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Speaker 1: these guys every day coach. That's that's great. You talked

532
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Speaker 1: about running the scout teams. I would say this. During

533
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Speaker 1: my time in Green Bay, Andy Reid was the tight

534
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Speaker 1: end coach, and he ran the scout team and scout

535
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Speaker 1: team defense and on the cards and those things. Getting

536
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Speaker 1: a lot of respect for him and his ability to

537
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Speaker 1: relate in those things. I think one of the things, um,

538
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Speaker 1: that may be underrated when it comes to being a

539
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Speaker 1: head coach is adaptability and being able to change. You

540
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Speaker 1: obviously came from Minnesota where you guys played a certain

541
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Speaker 1: way offensively. In Baltimore at some point you had to

542
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Speaker 1: change a little bit based on the strengths of the team. Um,

543
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Speaker 1: how stubborn should the head coach be when it comes

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Speaker 1: to how he's used to playing versus a this is

545
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Speaker 1: this team has built a certain way. I have to

546
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Speaker 1: coach and get them to play a different way because

547
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Speaker 1: that's the best way for them to win. Oh. Absolutely.

548
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Speaker 1: When I talk about creating that shared vision and the

549
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Speaker 1: athletes that we need to execute that vision, that's all

550
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Speaker 1: well and very you know, well and very good. But

551
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, when you get an athlete,

552
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Speaker 1: it's okay, you better adapt it to what does he

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Speaker 1: do best. I remember when Bill Walsh was obviously a

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Speaker 1: mentor of mine and consulted on a regular basis. And

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Speaker 1: I was in Minnesota and Denny Green. You know, Denny

556
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Speaker 1: was the biggest mentor I had, but he had come

557
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Speaker 1: from Bill Walsh, so you know, uh, there was residual

558
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Speaker 1: effect there in terms of my mentor being mentored by

559
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Speaker 1: these two great coaches. And I remember when I had

560
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Speaker 1: Randall Cunningham in Minnesota and and and I would talk

561
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Speaker 1: with Bill and go, okay, so what should I be doing?

562
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Speaker 1: He says, you need another quarterback? And he says, you need,

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Speaker 1: you know, because for what you need to do to

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Speaker 1: so and so, you need I said, okay, but but

565
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Speaker 1: that's why I've got Bill. So what do I And

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Speaker 1: and he was, no, you need another quarterback? You know

567
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Speaker 1: he wouldn't, you know, and not Bill wouldn't wouldn't be flexible.

568
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Speaker 1: But Bill obviously his quarterbacks. He had a very specific

569
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Speaker 1: skill set that he wanted from his quarterback position, which

570
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Speaker 1: is all well and good, and he found it in

571
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Speaker 1: a number of different ways. But you're absolutely right. You

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Speaker 1: you you better adapt. And for me, it was when

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Speaker 1: I got to Balltimore on this supposed offensive guru, which

574
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Speaker 1: is all b s as we know. But but and so,

575
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Speaker 1: but I came in as an offensive guy, and so

576
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Speaker 1: you think, this is what it takes to win a championship.

577
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Speaker 1: We gotta at a certain level. And I just come

578
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Speaker 1: from the highest scoring offense in the history of the

579
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Speaker 1: league in ball in Minnesota. Well I get there and

580
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Speaker 1: there's this record setting defense. Not only record setting defense,

581
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Speaker 1: maybe the best single season defense in the history of

582
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Speaker 1: the game. So it wasn't until about midway through that

583
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Speaker 1: first year that it dawned on me, Okay, no, we

584
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: if we don't if we run the ball, don't turn

585
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Speaker 1: the ball over, we can win a championship. And that's

586
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Speaker 1: a That was a major shift to be able to say, yes,

587
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: we can win a championship that way, um, and and

588
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: this defense is good enough to do that with. So

589
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Speaker 1: had I had to change my mindset and play calling

590
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: and what we were doing to understand, no, we can

591
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Speaker 1: play to that strength, um and win a championship, because

592
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: otherwise you can. You can do the other thing and

593
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: work up a lot of numbers, but if you come

594
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Speaker 1: short of you know, if you don't win the Super Bowl,

595
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: then it's all for not in today's NFL. So that

596
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: you're right, for a lot of guys that that is

597
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Speaker 1: a major c change um to to to say, Okay,

598
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Speaker 1: this is what I've always believed we needed to win.

599
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Speaker 1: But I've got a group of athletes that are unique

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Speaker 1: and we can probably you know, Tony Dungee, I think

601
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: will tell you that. On the flip side, you know

602
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: the football gods are are are funny guys now. I

603
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: mean there they give me an offensive guy, the greatest

604
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Speaker 1: single defense and it, and they give Tony Dungee, you know,

605
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Speaker 1: maybe quarterback. And Tony had to change in mind because

606
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Speaker 1: he would being a defensive guy and thought of, okay,

607
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Speaker 1: this is what we do to develop a championship, and

608
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: certainly instrumented in Tampa, but then got to to Indianapolis

609
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: and Tony adapted, say oh well, okay, maybe we do

610
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: need to change in terms of our mindset because we

611
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: have a pretty special guy in a pretty special offense here. Coach,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about dividing powers here. Obviously, the

613
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: success with Baltimore and Baltimore has been a personnel driven

614
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: team when it comes to the offseason, a coach driven

615
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: team when it comes to the season split powers there

616
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Speaker 1: between the two. We see a lot of coaches in

617
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Speaker 1: you know, they have some success and then they really

618
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 1: want to get all the power to be able to

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Speaker 1: be in charge of the whole thing. We've seen Belichick

620
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Speaker 1: do it well. We've seen Andy Reid do it well.

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Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of other guys fail. I'm just

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Speaker 1: curious with you. Was there ever a point in your

623
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Speaker 1: career where you thought, man, I would like to go

624
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Speaker 1: somewhere and have all that power or did you you know,

625
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Speaker 1: what were your thoughts on on dividing that and responsibility,

626
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Speaker 1: because that no one's that smart. I remember I did

627
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: a a lecture of a banking group and they were

628
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Speaker 1: the whole idea was they came together and and they

629
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Speaker 1: were it was a secession plan. Where do we go

630
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Speaker 1: to replace ourselves and build this a secession plan for

631
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Speaker 1: the bank. And that the owner of the bank or

632
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Speaker 1: the head of the bank was a guy he must

633
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Speaker 1: have been eighty years old, very sharp, very clear. He's

634
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Speaker 1: listened to all that, and he's listening. Oh, this note

635
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: needs to come out of the equities department. Now it

636
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: comes out of commercial real estate. Everybody had their little

637
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: silos and what they thought the next president need to be,

638
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: and he got it, says guys, wait a minute, hold

639
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Speaker 1: on forty years ago, when I took over this bank,

640
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Speaker 1: I was the smartest guy in the room. Okay, that

641
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,239
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. Now. We don't need the guy with all

642
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: the right answers. That doesn't exist. We need the guy

643
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: with the right questions. And and so you see it

644
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: all the time. It always amuses me, and it's usually offensive. Guys.

645
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: You're an offensive guru. Okay. Your play caller, which is

646
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: a seven, right, I mean you are obsessed with it.

647
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: You are immersed every waking moment. You are focused on

648
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: design and play calling and the whole thing, and and

649
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: it can wear you out. Then you get a head

650
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: job and you go, well, I can do that. Be

651
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: the head coach. I can do all those you know,

652
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: I can. I can now where before it was, you know,

653
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: I was sleeping five hours a night and totally but okay,

654
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: now I can and and but you learned, no, you can't.

655
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: You better learn to tell it. I always used to

656
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: call it the three am erald at three am. If

657
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: you wait, and I'm in at age where I wake

658
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: up at three am and go to bathroom and every

659
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: every night, what are you thinking about? If you're thinking

660
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: about do I put the full back in the flat?

661
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: Do I run the angle here? Well, then then that's great.

662
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: Then you're the coordinator. Who who's waking up at three am?

663
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: Going where's where's my next backup center coming from? Who

664
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: should we be looking here? What about the cap who?

665
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: You better have someone that you can rely on. Now

666
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: you can create, you know you can. It can all

667
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: clear through you if that's what you want to do. Um,

668
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: you know you said it right. I mean, Ozzie knew

669
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: some it was the perfect partner because he listened for

670
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: one and as you know, we just call scrimmaging, right,

671
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: would come in scrimmage Shack Harris would come in and

672
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: with scrimmage. And I can't tell how many times Ozzy

673
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: and I and Ozzie always I knew. I always appreciated

674
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: the fact that Ozzy understood and appreciated the pressures I

675
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: was under, and I tried to do same with him.

676
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: And I can't tell how many times we'd be scrimmaging

677
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: on a subject and and I'd be on one side

678
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: and he'll be on the other, and he'll go, well,

679
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: let's sleep on it, and let's let's reconvene in the morning.

680
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: We'll come back in the morning. I go, Ozzy, I

681
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: was thinking, let's slap on it. Yeah, I think you're

682
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: probably right. We need to the coach. I was doing

683
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: the same thing. I think you're right, you know, And

684
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: and that ability to have that give and take and

685
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: not rely on just whose great idea it was, but

686
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: to take ownership of it, that kind of and and

687
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: you know you can only do that so far. But

688
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: that kind of give and take. I don't it's the

689
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: game is too complished, too much going on for it

690
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: to be legitimately one stuff. Okay, Belichick and I get it,

691
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: And that's probably, but that's the only one that I

692
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: can think of. You look at the other great organizations,

693
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: there's usually a trifecta, a triumvirate, or at least the

694
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: bet you know, the general manager and head coach together

695
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: it's a working relationship. I don't think there's another organization

696
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: where you can look at it, like in New England

697
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: and just go, okay, it's it's this is totally it

698
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: can it work with more than two? Because baseball when

699
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: I when I study baseball, right now coach, they have

700
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: a leadership teams of like four or five guys, and

701
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: that you can throw the manager as part of that.

702
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: But really it's kind of a it's a collection and

703
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: and it started with the Tampa Bay Ray's, uh, with

704
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: their general manager who went to the Dodgers and as

705
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: Andrew Freeman has since built them into a powerhouse and

706
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: a juggernaut. But he just kind of what you said

707
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: was like, why should we assume that one or two

708
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: of us have all the answers we're gonna find If

709
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: we can find four or five guys that are very

710
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: bright in their own way and we put our heads together,

711
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: we can come up with with the right decision. And

712
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: it's worked in baseball? Could that work in football? Uh?

713
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: Four and five is too many? I mean, you'd love

714
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: to have that kind of quality. The problem you have

715
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: is when you have in my three is perfect fine,

716
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: but three. The reason I say three, now you and

717
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: each of them can have lieutenants that are you know, uh,

718
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: top of the charts as well. But the thing I

719
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: like about three I keep coming back to, if you

720
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: have the three right guys, you drive great comfort going

721
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: two of the three of us are gonna be right. Yeah, right,

722
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: there's always that there's always at all three say something's good,

723
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: we're good to go. But if two of the three

724
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: like it, you're probably you know, now, if all three

725
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: don't like it, okay, well then then you gotta you

726
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: gotta reconvene. But but if two of the three, to me,

727
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: that's a great counterbalance that going for it. Yeah, you coach.

728
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: I want to lean into this because UM, your experience,

729
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: I think you'd be uniquely qualified. And this is an

730
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 1: extension of that question UM and thinking about UM being

731
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: the head coach and if you could pick your personnel

732
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: people like you talked about shared visions and those things.

733
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: How important is it for you guys to see football

734
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: the same way in terms of what is essential to

735
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: building a championship team? Or can you have a general

736
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: manager that may come from maybe a different system at

737
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: different viewpoint, but you guys find a way to make

738
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: it work. I think that goes back to the shared

739
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: vision in visiting UH, in listening and visiting with different coaches.

740
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: I think Gary Kubiak was probably as good at this

741
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: as anybody I've been around in terms of communicating and

742
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: it's not just okay, this is what I want. No,

743
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a it's a conversation, it's a

744
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: scrimmage in terms of all right, here's the attributes, player

745
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: by player of what I need. Okay, you know I need.

746
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: I need a running back that can do X Y

747
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: and catch the ball as opposed to run different combinations.

748
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: I always just say we've talked about it for DJ.

749
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: I want to receiving corps. I want to I want

750
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: a basketball team. I don't want all power forwards. I

751
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: want to power forward. I want a big man. I

752
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: want to point guard. I want an off guard. And

753
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: each has different attributes. And here's what the attributes I

754
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: need from this athlete, and and that needs to be fine.

755
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: That's that's heavy lifted. Now you've got to spend a

756
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: lot of time between the coaches and the scouts understanding

757
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: this is what we're looking for your your offensive line

758
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: coach needs to be very specific. This is what I'm

759
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 1: looking for in a center versus a guard versus a tackle. Now,

760
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: you can negotiate it, you can scrimmage it around a

761
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: little bit to try to better understand it, but at

762
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: the end of the day, this is what we see

763
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: we need for this offense or defense to work that.

764
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: It's the jobs of the scouts to go, Okay, I've

765
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: got to go find guys in that position that fits

766
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: that criteria. Now, typically that means coming back and negotiating

767
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: a little bit because no one's gonna fit it perfectly.

768
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: Got coach, But I love this guard. Now, I know

769
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: you wanted a little more punch from this guy, but

770
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: I think he makes so. Yeah, you never get unless

771
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: you you know, he's the first overall pick and he's

772
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: seven across the boards and oh yeah, he's got it all. Well,

773
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: that's simple. But the negotiation about because you're you're negotiating

774
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: a little bit with because nobody has it all? So

775
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: what am I willing to overlook? Does this offset that

776
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: to make me? Okay? Yes, because otherwise you become so

777
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: strident in your view of a player nobody fits and no,

778
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: and then you just caught coaches going, well, you can't

779
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: you're not bringing me the right players. Well, I'm bringing

780
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: you what's available. Okay, you gotta take somebody. Let's let's negotiate,

781
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: let's get as close to it as we can. But

782
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: we do all have to have the same shared idea

783
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: of what we're looking for in those particular talents. Alright, Coach,

784
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: you've been You've been so generous with your time today.

785
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: And we had a million different things we were going

786
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: to go into, but this was just great. We kept

787
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: staying on it because we're keeping the page is full

788
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 1: of notes here on everything we're doing. Last thing before

789
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: we let you go. I remember I was ad to

790
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: be the turk one year in Baltimore and would bring

791
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: guys to you and uh, and you'd have to tell

792
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: them that that was it. I remember stand outside the

793
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: office and training camp at that at the Best Western right,

794
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 1: wasn't the name of the hotel up there in west Minster?

795
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: And uh? And Mike Solwald was the long snapper and

796
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: and you told him that you were gonna let him go,

797
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: and he had said I could hear him, and he said,

798
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: this is this is BS, this is not fair. And

799
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: then he kind of you didn't know what to say

800
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: on that one, and he said, he said, you didn't

801
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: even give me a chance to play quarterback. And then

802
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: I've heard the loudest laughter I've ever heard from you

803
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: in four years. Uh and during that time, But is

804
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: there any other story, Coach, that that I might not

805
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: be privy to when you had to have those conversations

806
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: and you know, on you guys, because remember now training

807
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: camp it's all you know, that's it's a blur of

808
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: faces and we're cutting a lot of guys. You know

809
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: it is you know, yeah, because you know he's not

810
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: wearing his jersey. I know who forty six is, but

811
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. So they brought me. I forget it

812
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: was Jones. I think it was the tight end he bring.

813
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: They bring me a tight end and he sits down

814
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: in front of me that and I start going into

815
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: the routine and I'm looking at him and I'm going

816
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: because you get to reading body language when you do

817
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: this enough. It's a tough thing to do. I've been cut.

818
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: I was trying to remember Tom Landry spent twenty minutes

819
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: with me when I got he had better things to

820
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: do than spend twenty minutes with me. And I thought,

821
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: you know what, when I if I ever get in

822
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: that position, I can I need to remember the way

823
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: Coach Landry handling, because you are it's you know, you're

824
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: ending a dream. It's like Clint eastwood Line and unforgiven,

825
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: you're not only ending what a man has you're you're

826
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: ending what a man ever is gonna have, you know,

827
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: in terms of that dream to to be a pro player.

828
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: John Jones, by the way, coach John Jones, John Jones,

829
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: very good. So he and and I'm going through it,

830
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: and he's got a quizzical I'm thinking, this guy should

831
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: know better, this guy should know what he was on

832
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: the but he is truly shocked. And then it dawns

833
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: on me. They brought me the wrong guy. We're keeping

834
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: this guy. Well, now I look like the village idiot

835
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: because I've done my whole Oh jeesus, not my place

836
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 1: to say you can't, but it's just it's my job

837
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: to say it's not here. And he's truly so now

838
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: I gotta how do I sallenge this? So I look

839
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: at it and said, all right, John, that's what it

840
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: feels like to be cut. You've made this football team.

841
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: But I don't ever want to have to have this conversation.

842
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: So get your and your playbook back in there and

843
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: keep working on you know. So I sat out and

844
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: pull it up brilliantly. You know, I can say I

845
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: don't think that one was mine, coach, But I went

846
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: into the offensive line room and uh, I had grabbed

847
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: who I thought was a player, and I grabbed Damien

848
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: Cook if you remember him by act. I didn't know

849
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: what they looked like, right, so I grabbed him. So

850
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: we start walking up the stairs to go upstairs in

851
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: the old facility, and then I start talking to him

852
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: and I realized this is not who I think it is,

853
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: So I gotta take him back into the offensive line

854
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Speaker 1: room and then say that the guy I have to get,

855
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: and jo Jonathan Oreton goes, dang, they're cutting everybody. That's wow,

856
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: it was not not not a good thing. Man. Hey,

857
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: you you could do a series on this. It would

858
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: be a great comedy sketch, because it really is. It's

859
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's amazing some of the some of the

860
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: conversations you have and some of the mistakes you me.

861
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: Last thing I want to say about coach before we

862
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: let him go, just to remind everybody how great the

863
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: coach Billick is not. Not only is a coach and

864
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: what he does on television, how good of a person

865
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: he is. As we get to Christmas, Buck, I'm I'm

866
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: always remember back to a time when I was a

867
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: poor scout, had no money at all, and Coach came

868
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: and gave all of us a check out of his

869
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: own wallet for a thousand dollars, and as scouts at

870
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: that time, that was might have well have been a

871
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: million dollars at that time. We went and bought our

872
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: Mac computer. Uh and I just remember we had that

873
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: computer forever. We always called that computer the Briant Billet

874
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: computer because we were very thankful for Coach. You've always

875
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: been generous in every in every way, you've been generous

876
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: to me over the years, and I appreciate it. I

877
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: gotta I got, I gotta energet because it reminds me

878
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: of when you guys were talking about the hundred and

879
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: fifty board. You always had, you know, players on your board,

880
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: and you're always shocked at how quickly that thing empties.

881
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 1: And we always had remember the sideboard, and I told

882
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: the scouts, okay, it was like two or three grand

883
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: if you picked the first correctly, the guy the first

884
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: guy to come off the side board, which energy some

885
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: things now and guys will have their bad guys in

886
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: back pocket and that kind of fun. That was always

887
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: fun to see which guy was coming off that sideboard first.

888
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: You did, first guy off the sideboard, you did one

889
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: for lowest person on the front board that got picked

890
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: the highest. So in other words, so somebody would be

891
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: on the bottom or front board might go in the

892
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: first round. So we would do that. And so they

893
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: are the drafts going on, and man, it's it's movement shaking,

894
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: like we're doing a fifty fifty raffle. And so it's

895
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: funny that you guys are talking about that because I

896
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: was set up with uh Shack and Art Perkins and

897
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: Ozzie at the combine and we would bet on combine

898
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: performance forty times over jumps or whatever. So I feel like,

899
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: even though I've never worked with the Ravens, I am

900
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: so impacted and influenced by the Ravens because all of

901
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: those guys were like my mentor. So it's funny because

902
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: I felt like I could never end. Everything was a competition,

903
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: Everything was something about that. You'll remember that. So this

904
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: these moments where you'd be timing forties and uh you'd

905
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: have you'd be in the meeting and you'd be debating

906
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: a player, right, I like Jones, he likes Smith, and

907
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: I'd be like, well, Smith can't run. Smith's gonna run

908
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: four six, five, No, No, Smith's gonna run in the

909
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: low four or five. So literally, and at the combine

910
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: if you've seen it on television, you know, like there's

911
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: no talking. You can hear, you can hear a pin drop.

912
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: But what you'll see if you pay attention and you

913
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: look at some of the teams, you'll see the clock

914
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: go like this, and you'll see somebody go and you know,

915
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: you know who got the best of that from the

916
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: draft meetings? Well when they started they started televising the draft.

917
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 1: It God, that made things dicing now because now we're everybody.

918
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: I remember we were and and uh, I was still coaching,

919
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: and I was sitting I was visiting with Mike Nolan

920
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: up in the stands, and you know, it's it's also

921
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: kind of a job fair, and there's a lot going on.

922
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: So I'm and and all of a sudden to get

923
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: a buzz on my phone and it's my daughter. I go,

924
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: what's up hunting? He goes, aren't you at the combine?

925
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: Looking at I go, yeah, he goes, why are you

926
00:43:53,920 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: screwing around talking to Mike Nolan? Watching? I busted by

927
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: my daughter. She's put screwing around John with Mike Nolan.

928
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: Get your back on the field and find us a

929
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: tight end. You know, it's great, she knows, she knows

930
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: coach as this is so much fun today. Thank you

931
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: so much for your time to appreciate you well. Bucket's

932
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: great to catch up with coach and Bill like he's

933
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: he's the best man. And I do encourage everybody to

934
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: check out the new podcast. I think the trailer might

935
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: already be up. You can check it out. It's a

936
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: total access podcast with Brian Billiko. You just heard along

937
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: with our good buddy Michael Robinson, who was a Super

938
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: Bowl winning fullback with the Seattle Seahawks and one of

939
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: the best we have an NFL media group. It's a

940
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: great guy. Looking forward to checking that out. Ye know, Austin,

941
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: he's terrific man. He's so terrific in so many different areas. Um,

942
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 1: here's someone that I've leaned on just for relear advice

943
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: when it comes to like coach in high school ball.

944
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: But I think this conversation that we just had as

945
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: relates to being a head coach but really working hand

946
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: in hand with a general manager. I think that stuff

947
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: that you don't often have open discussions about, but I

948
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: think it's very very necessary and I will say this

949
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: DJ like obviously because I know you've done a lot

950
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: of homework on the team building stuff and we look

951
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: at like team building from a shared vision but maybe

952
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: coming from different angles. The leadership council conversation to me

953
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: is fascinating. I think that's that interesting. I think that's

954
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: one that we're going to have to revisit in time

955
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: because um, for you to do some researcher on baseball

956
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: and the kind of go behind the scenes on that

957
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: always look at basketball and how they build teams and

958
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: talking to guys in that aspect. But then for coach

959
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: building to to bring up the three, I think I

960
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: think three is actually the perfect number because it reminds

961
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: me of the government and having like a check and

962
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: balances system three branches, three branches, and then when you

963
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: get to it, if you have to have the struw

964
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: vote a man, somebody, somebody with the decision. Yeah, I

965
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: think it's great. Yeah, when when you're talking about four,

966
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: like you have even numbers, but when you have the

967
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: odd number, I think I think I think it makes

968
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: it interesting. I don't know how that's developed. I don't

969
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: know if that's head coach, general manager and X, but

970
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: it is definitely something worth exploring and expanding out. Yeah,

971
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: that's something we can dig into absolutely. Um all right, well,

972
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us. Today was a fun episode.

973
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: Great to have coach Billock again. Thank thanks to him

974
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: for giving us all that time today. I hope you

975
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: guys have enjoyed it. Remember you can. You can leave

976
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: us some comments and reviews there on Apple Podcast. We

977
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 1: do appreciate those. Um, if you gotta want to wish

978
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: everybody a happy holiday season. As we are right in

979
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: the thick of the month of December, the football is

980
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: good and the conversation here is good as well. That's

981
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: gonna do it for us. We'll catch you next time.

982
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Speaker 1: Right here, I moved to six percent it by Zaxby's