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Speaker 1: first of all. Eighteen ninety six. The man is born.

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Speaker 1: Stalingrad is deep, deep in the heart of Russia. It's

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Speaker 1: on the Vulgar River. The battle at Stalingrad, which I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to go into in depth at all today,

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Speaker 1: was the greatest battle in the history of mankind. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I might have to do Stalingrad this week, so Chris,

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Speaker 1: I might. I want you to wrap your mind around this.

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Speaker 1: The United States of America has roughly one point four

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Speaker 1: million military deaths in total from all of our wars

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Speaker 1: combine including Civil War. I mean one point four million total,

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Speaker 1: from the beginning of our nation to the end. That

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Speaker 1: many people died at Stalingrad alone. That many people died

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Speaker 1: at Stalingrad alone. And here's what happened at Stalingrad. And

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Speaker 1: I want you to pay attention. Is this is going

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Speaker 1: to come into play here in a minute. The Nazis

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Speaker 1: get to Stalingrad, they begin shelling Stalingrad. You're dropping a

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Speaker 1: bunch of bombs and artillery on Stalingrad. I want you

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Speaker 1: to picture a city, picture one of yours. What find

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Speaker 1: some big city near you or if you live in one,

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Speaker 1: now picture bombs dropping on it. Forgetting the loss of

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Speaker 1: life for a moment, we're sitting that a sus Now

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about. I want you to think about

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Speaker 1: the infrastructure, roads, buildings and such. What happens to them

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Speaker 1: when you start bombing them, When you start dropping bombs

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Speaker 1: in the area. Are you picturing it? Unlike the movies,

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Speaker 1: things don't disappear when they get bombed. They topple over

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Speaker 1: the cave in. You essentially turn Stalin Grad into a

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Speaker 1: fortress if you want, with underground bunkers that have been created,

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Speaker 1: with bombed out buildings that are now perfect hiding places

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Speaker 1: for snipers and military units. The best way to describe

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Speaker 1: it is just exactly like I did. Now, picture you

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Speaker 1: bomb a city, your big US city, drop a bunch

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Speaker 1: of bombs and artillery on it, all this rubble, all

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Speaker 1: these bunkers and tunnels and different things that pop up.

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Speaker 1: You have an enemy entrenched in there. Now get this.

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Speaker 1: You have to go get them out. You have to

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Speaker 1: go get them out. Do you know what a nightmare

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Speaker 1: that is? I have told this story before. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to tell it again briefly because it matters to our story,

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Speaker 1: and I want you to remember this picture. It the

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Speaker 1: hardest thing I've ever had to do is clear people

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Speaker 1: out of a building. If someone's in a building, especially

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Speaker 1: somebody with any level of training at all, they have

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Speaker 1: all the advantages if you're trying to go in there

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Speaker 1: and get them, and they're waiting for you, all the advantages.

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Speaker 1: We were a Marine Corps infantry company. I'm not talking

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Speaker 1: about reserves either. We were full time gung ho all

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Speaker 1: the time. All we did was shoot weapons and exercise

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Speaker 1: baby battlefield tactics, communicate, follow orders. We were well, let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, we were some of the finest troops in

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Speaker 1: the world. That's not that's not being a homer. We

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Speaker 1: were a Marine Corps infantry unit is easily one of

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Speaker 1: the top units in the world. And they were prepping

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Speaker 1: us to go to Iraq, and they knew there would

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Speaker 1: be city fighting in Iraq, so they decided they were

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Speaker 1: going to humble us a little bit. You have an

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Speaker 1: M sixteen. I think they use M fours now, but

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Speaker 1: sim rounds in it. You essentially shoot a nine millimeter

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Speaker 1: round that has a paint tip. Now I don't want

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Speaker 1: to call it a paintball. I almost cut it a

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Speaker 1: paintball because it hurts a lot worse than a paintball.

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Speaker 1: It will break the skin up close. It hurts, and

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Speaker 1: it hurts really badly. You have to wear protection on

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Speaker 1: lower region. I had a buddy that took one down

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Speaker 1: there and it You don't forget screams like that, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you that much. And at night they march us

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Speaker 1: down to a shootouse, a practice house, a big practice

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Speaker 1: house that was on our base in twenty nine Palms, California,

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Speaker 1: and they have the military police. They're not called military

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Speaker 1: police in the Marine Coruns. Just simplifying that for you.

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Speaker 1: They have the military police in there waiting for us.

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Speaker 1: I forget the numbers now, I've gosh, I'm forgetting things

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Speaker 1: of them, maybe even less. There may have been five

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Speaker 1: or six, but they were in there, and they had

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Speaker 1: their weapons with sim rounds in them, and they marched

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Speaker 1: us down there, and we had our weapons with sim

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Speaker 1: rounds in them, and we at night again, a highly

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Speaker 1: trained Marine Corps infantry unit assaulted this place to go

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Speaker 1: try to kill them. You know you shot, you go

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Speaker 1: down and they have referees in there watching it and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that, and it's shoot move, communicate. They massacred

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Speaker 1: us and didn't lose a man. Did not lose a man.

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Speaker 1: You try to clear somebody trained out of a building

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Speaker 1: They massacred us in that building. There are just too

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Speaker 1: many places you can hide in a building, you know,

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Speaker 1: because you're there and they're you're in it and they're not.

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Speaker 1: You know where the choke points are. You can hide

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Speaker 1: just here in this room and see this little window

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Speaker 1: where they have to walk by. You can hide up

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Speaker 1: here on these stairs and you know they have to

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Speaker 1: walk by this point. You can set booby traps everywhere,

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Speaker 1: especially in a bombed outbuilding with rubble everywhere. You can

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Speaker 1: set obstructions down. Picture if you were coming to clear

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Speaker 1: me out of a room, and you had a gun,

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Speaker 1: an eye out, a gun, and maybe it's nighttime, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's daytime. But what if I do something simple like

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Speaker 1: roll a chair in front of where you run in

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Speaker 1: the door. Doesn't sound like much, doesn't Go ahead and

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Speaker 1: run in a room with your weapon up and I'm

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Speaker 1: putting my weapon at the door, and you trip over

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Speaker 1: the chair. You're dead, now gone. That's a tiny, tiny

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Speaker 1: example of the living hell that was stolen that hum

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Speaker 1: This is a Jesse Kelly show. This is a Jesse

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Speaker 1: Kelly show. Stalin knows he cannot lose Stalingrad or he

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Speaker 1: is going to lose the Soviet Union. He gives an order.

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Speaker 1: It's a famous order. The order is, you're not allowed

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Speaker 1: to leave anymore from Stalingrad. You're not allowed to surrender,

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Speaker 1: You're not allowed to leave. They have men now they

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Speaker 1: were famous for this anyway, but they have men now

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Speaker 1: set up behind Stalingrad where you would leave if you

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Speaker 1: were in there, if you were there and you were

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Speaker 1: trying to escape, you would leave. They have men set

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Speaker 1: up behind there with machine gun nests, not for the Nazis,

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Speaker 1: so they could machine gun down anybody who tried to

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Speaker 1: escape the city. You stay and you fight, and they did.

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Speaker 1: And it was going poorly until Joseph Stalin tells Zukov

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Speaker 1: get down to Stalingrad and save the city for me.

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Speaker 1: Zukov gets down there and just organizes a brutal, brutal

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Speaker 1: old defense of the city, manages to cut the Nazis

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Speaker 1: off from each other. Realize this, well, they're already in

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Speaker 1: the city anyway, Let's separate them so they can't communicate.

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Speaker 1: He essentially isolates them and slaughters them. You caepan count

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Speaker 1: on how many huge battles Zukov has already won. I'm

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Speaker 1: not even talking about the endless minor ones. He's one.

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Speaker 1: Moscow and Stalingrad very well could be number one and

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Speaker 1: number two on biggest battles in the history of the world,

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Speaker 1: and Zukov is two and oh right now, now, this

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Speaker 1: was the end of the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union.

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Speaker 1: Once Zukov wins, and he does, once he wins in Stalingrad,

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Speaker 1: the Nazis are now on their heels, to put it mildly,

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Speaker 1: on their heels, maybe being nice about it, they are

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Speaker 1: turning around and racing west back to Germany because now

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Speaker 1: the Soviet Union has more men, more stuff. They produced

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Speaker 1: a lot of it, a lot of it they got

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Speaker 1: from us, and they are a bit motivated, to put

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Speaker 1: it mildly, you see, nobody likes to be invaded. It's

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Speaker 1: never popular when you're the invading army. All right, you're

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Speaker 1: never going to win popularity contests. You're definitely not going

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Speaker 1: to win them when you're the Nazis, and you're pretty

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Speaker 1: much the most evil people who've ever lived. They were

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Speaker 1: not only invading. Right, here's what's crazy. Most of the

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Speaker 1: Soviets they got to hated Stalin. I mean, it's not

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Speaker 1: like Stalin was popular. They would have been on your side,

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Speaker 1: except Nazis. Well, they can't change their nature. How many

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Speaker 1: political ideologies do you see out there? How many of

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Speaker 1: them do you see changing their nature? A Nazi is

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Speaker 1: a Nazi is a Nazi. They store them into your town.

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Speaker 1: Do they treat you well? Do they tell you they're

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Speaker 1: liberating you, We're here to save you from Stalin? No?

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Speaker 1: First thing they do. Where are the Jews, any Gypsies here?

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Speaker 1: And they start lining people up and shooting them in

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Speaker 1: the head. Soviets are tough people. They're not going to

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Speaker 1: lay down for that. And think how far you have

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Speaker 1: to push into Russia to get to Stalingrad. Think how

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Speaker 1: many atrocities the Nazis have committed at this time, and

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Speaker 1: the Soviets were giving it back. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: but it was their home country. I do not consider

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Speaker 1: that to be equal levels of atrocity. I do not.

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Speaker 1: You may I do not. You're in my you come

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Speaker 1: into my home. Whatever happens to you in there is

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Speaker 1: your problem, not my problem. I'm not gonna feel bad

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Speaker 1: about it at all. And if I come in your

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Speaker 1: home uninvited, I would expect same thing. Now, though, here's

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Speaker 1: the problem. The Nazis have and it's a huge problem

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Speaker 1: and they know it. You have not only invaded their country,

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Speaker 1: you have committed some of the worst wartime atrocities in

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Speaker 1: the history of the world. Now they have the power

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Speaker 1: and they're chasing you, and it's not going to go

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Speaker 1: well for you if they beat you and catch you.

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Speaker 1: They fight this long battle getting out of the Soviet

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Speaker 1: Union with the Nazis on their heels most of the time.

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Speaker 1: But I don't want to make it sound like they

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Speaker 1: threw down their weapons and ran away. This was still

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Speaker 1: even was. They were a very very very capable, well

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Speaker 1: equipped German army that knew they were all going to

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Speaker 1: die if they just turned and ran. So they're fighting

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Speaker 1: their way back. They're just getting back as fast as

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Speaker 1: they can. And the Soviets know this too. Obviously. Stalin

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Speaker 1: is putting humongous amounts of pressure on all all of

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Speaker 1: his generals. Go go, go, go, go down now now.

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Speaker 1: But even his generals, as much as they can, are

638
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: all dude, but these are still it's still the Germans.

639
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: But we can't. We can't just storm right over him.

640
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: We're all gonna die trying to get him out of here.

641
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: The Germans get back into Germany, get back into Berlin.

642
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: The Soviets are still hot on their heels, tearing through them.

643
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: In Europe. The Nazis by now, with the exception of

644
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: maybe Adolf Hitler, who's drugged out, he's lost his mind,

645
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: by this point in time, the Nazi leadership by now

646
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: knows the war is over for a fact, and now

647
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: they have a different kind of prayer. Now they're praying

648
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: Britain in the United States of America get to Berlin

649
00:49:52,560 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: before the Soviets due. They know what's coming. You see,

650
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: they were well aware of who would show some mercy

651
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: and who would show none, which is amazing when you

652
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: think about it. I know, the Nazis invaded the Soviet

653
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: Union and committed all these atrocities in the Soviet Union,

654
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: but remember they bombed the daylights out of Great Britain.

655
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: They bombed London badly, and even then the Germans knew,

656
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: oh Man, we really would rather have the British here

657
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: than the Soviets, and the Soviets were Look, there's no

658
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: defense of what the Soviets did two innocent Germans civilians

659
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 1: on their way through. And it's been argued about because

660
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union was so secretive. They of course never

661
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: took responsibility for anything and acted like these were isolated things.

662
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: But they had whole prison units the Soviets did. Sometimes

663
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: you deserve to be in that prison unit, and sometimes

664
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 1: you didn't. But this was a period of time where

665
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: men would drink in combat. You have a unit of prisoners,

666
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: and they would use them, obviously on the most dangerous

667
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: tasks the front lines. Here there are prisoners, and now

668
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: you have these units tearing through the German countryside half

669
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: the time drunk. A unit of prisoners, drunk and very

670
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: very angry, comes across a small German farm, maybe a wife,

671
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: some teenage girls there. I am not going into that today.

672
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: It's it's it's too icky, but that's just it was

673
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: unspeakably bad the things that were happening to the Germans,

674
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: especially the women, as the as, the Russian as, the

675
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: Soviets tore their way through it, and it was more

676
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 1: than just the normal kind of assaulting you'd think about.

677
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: There are stories of them being they're crucifying them on

678
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: barn walls and stuff. It's really really bad. And I'm

679
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: not going to defend any of that, and never would,

680
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: but understand, we have the Soviets. They're not just trying

681
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: to win a war. They're trying to get revenge for

682
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: what was just done to their country. This is a

683
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: war of vengeance. Now, now just outside of Berlin, east

684
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: of Berlin, there's a line of hills there. They get

685
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: shelled into oblivion as they line up in the hills.

686
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: You see the Germans they sent one of their great

687
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: defensive generals along the hills to dig in a defense

688
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: up there because they knew the Soviets were coming. Now,

689
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: this had little hope of succeeding, but there was one

690
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: of those things. They're trying to make them pay for

691
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: it as much as humanly possible. Well, you have Zukov here,

692
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: not some idiot. He's not going to run into the

693
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: teeth of the defense. He sits back, brings up the

694
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,960
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695
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Speaker 1: remember Stalingrad we were talking about about twenty minutes ago.

713
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: Stalingrad with the buildings in the rubble and the fortress

714
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: and the tunnels and everything else. You remember all that

715
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: Stalingrad stuff? Yeah, of course you do. Do you think

716
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: Zukov remembers Stalingrad because he was there, he remembers, and

717
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:19,479
Speaker 1: now he has to take Berlin, and the Germans are

718
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: terrified of what's coming. They have heard the stories. News

719
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: travels fast. They know, well what the Soviets are doing

720
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 1: on their way through Germany. The women, as you can imagine,

721
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: a little bit apprehensive. Zukov has to figure out a

722
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: way to take Berlin. Snipers everywhere, tunnels, ambushes everywhere, and

723
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: it's the vastness of a city that can get overwhelming

724
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: when you're trying to take it. Again. Go back to

725
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: that city you were picturing earlier, about the bombed outbuilding

726
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: and such. Now picture this. Think how big the city is,

727
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 1: not vertically, think of the square miles your city covers

728
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: that you're thinking of. Now imagine having to take all

729
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: of it. It's just it's such a huge task. It's

730
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: overwhelming to people, and even generals, accomplished military men are

731
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: going through the same thing. We talk about this. How

732
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: many sieges do we talk about? And when you and

733
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: I picture a siege, because this is what we see

734
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: in the movies and such, I do this too. I picture,

735
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, a small castle or this little this little

736
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: walled in area, like the size of a city block.

737
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: You don't think about a sprawling city with suburbs and

738
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: slums and downtown and oh there's a nice park, and

739
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: ancient cities had all that stuff too, And you have

740
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: to occupy and take all of it, and the different

741
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: challenges with terrain that city or picturing. Are there hills?

742
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: Is there a huge sewer system in it where people

743
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: can hide? How many bodies of water are there? Rivers?

744
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: You see what I mean? How overwhelming this could be.

745
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: And Zukov knew it was overwhelming. So he gathers his

746
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: other generals together and he does I mean, look, it

747
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: sounds so simple, but it's so brilliant. He simply divides

748
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: up the city into pieces. No no, no, no, no, General,

749
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: whatever your name is, you don't have to take Berlin.

750
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: You have to take these few blocks. That's all. You

751
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: take these few blocks. And he had this gigantic I

752
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: think you can still see it online to the state.

753
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: It's really really cool. He had this gigantic like the

754
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: size of a room, a gigantic model made of Berlin

755
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: to help them visualize it and see, I need you

756
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: to take this here and you to take that there.

757
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: Remember Berlin's been shelled now badly too. It's not as

758
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: if you can just follow the street signs. And it

759
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: happened to the Soviets repeatedly as they went through Berlina

760
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: would get lost. You don't know where you are, so

761
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: he simply broke it down for them and guided them.

762
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: And one thing, one cool story about Zukov before we

763
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: wrap it up here. Zukov was brutal on his officers,

764
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: and this is a very vicious man. However, his troops

765
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: loved him. He was a great family man who troops

766
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: loved him. There's this famous story about Zukov where he

767
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: sees some wounded Soviets on the side of the road

768
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: and he goes and he talks to him, just regular troops,

769
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: and he says, well, why aren't you getting medical attention?

770
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: They said, We've been trying to flag down our officers

771
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: all day long, and no one will pay attention to us.

772
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: They just keep driving by. We need medical attention. Zukov says, okay,

773
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: doesn't throw him in his car. He drives back up

774
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: the road the way he was going and sits and

775
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: watches these troops on the side of the road, and

776
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: any Russian officer or any Soviet officer who drives by

777
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: them without giving aid, Zukov stops them on the way

778
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: past and demotes them right there on the spot. It's

779
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: stuff like that made his guys love him. Stalin has

780
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: issued strict orders to Zukov that he wants the red flag,

781
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: the hammer and sickle, to fly over the Reichstag, that's

782
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: the German Congress, that's their their government building. He wants

783
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: it to fly over the Reichstag by May first. Zukov

784
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: can only push back still much, he's still Stalin. Zukov

785
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 1: actually pulls it off, and it was a bloody, vicious fight.

786
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: Someday we should do a breakdown of just the fight

787
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: of the Reichstag alone. The Germans were very, very proud

788
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: people and proud of their Reichstag, and they made the

789
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: Soviets earn every inch of it. And the first flag

790
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: to fly over the Reichstag in Berlin was the Soviet

791
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: hammer and Sickle. In case you're wondering what happened after

792
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: the war, Well, he's still Joseph Stalin, isn't he. Zukov

793
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: honored nationally a national hero. But now you're this powerful general.

794
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: Do you think Stalin trusts you more or trusts you less.

795
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: Only you're so powerful and so popular you can't be

796
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: shot and you can't be imprisoned. So Stalin sends the

797
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: greatest general of the twentieth century off to a bunch

798
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: of worthless little military jobs where he's in charge of

799
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: some jerkwater posts somewhere. Zukov descended into I mean he didn't.

800
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: It's not like he it's not like he ruined himself.

801
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: But his family. I saw an interview with his daughters

802
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: on TV one time where they talked about how he

803
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: just got so reserved and bitter the rest of his

804
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: life at how poorly he was treated after saving the

805
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: Soviet Union. Georgi Zukov saved the Soviet Union. Now back

806
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: to my question in the very very very beginning of

807
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: the show, and we're going to talk about this a

808
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: lot today, a lot. Why have you, an American, with

809
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: all due respect to all my international listeners, why are

810
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: you Why didn't you know who I was talking about

811
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: when I said the greatest general of the twentieth century?

812
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: Because your system, the system you're part of, the system,

813
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: you grew up in, the system, is not going to

814
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: celebrate a Soviet general because he was outside of our system.

815
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: He challenged our system. I never heard the man's name

816
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: until I was an adult. I've been a history buff

817
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: my whole life. We're about to talk today about the system,

818
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: about the system when it comes to the election, when

819
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Speaker 1: it comes to Donald Trump, when it comes to Joe Biden,

820
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: when it comes to the bushes, when it comes to

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Speaker 1: people on the right, when it comes to people on

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Speaker 1: the left, when it comes to schools, media, global affairs,

823
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Speaker 1: when it comes to war. You see what you are

824
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: seeing now, what you've seen for four years, even if

825
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: you didn't realize it, what you've seen is not necessarily

826
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: a left versus the right. I mean, that's a huge

827
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Speaker 1: part of it, because the left really controls the system. Now,

828
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Speaker 1: what you've seen is the system trying desperately to purge

829
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: something that challenges it. Systems purge any challenge to it.

830
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: Do you want to know why the swamp never drains,

831
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: why ag Barr is worthless, and why you spend half

832
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: your time yelling at the useless pundits on the right

833
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: and people within the Republican Party. It's because you're thinking

834
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: about it as only left versus right. How you should

835
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: be thinking of it is there are people in the system,

836
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: and people in the system, no matter their political party,

837
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: will defend the system because that's why it's a system.

838
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: Hang on, we're gonna talk to Michael Molison. We'll talk

839
01:03:54,640 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: about it on the Jordan Harbinger Show. You'll hear amazing

840
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,080
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841
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,680
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843
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Speaker 1: Show with Jack Garcia, who did just that. My career

844
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845
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: dedicated working on the cover. I walk in, I'm in

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Speaker 1: the bar. How there's a bar made? Dare good looking?

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Speaker 1: Young lady see serving me? Joey, Hey, what would you like?

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Speaker 1: I usually my frank was give me a kettle, one martini,

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Speaker 1: three alis, class of water on the side. I finished

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Speaker 1: the drink, the guys come in. I'm gonna go go

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Speaker 1: in my pocket, take out the big wad of money. Hey, am,

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Speaker 1: I give her one hundred hours. If you're with the mob,

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Speaker 1: I say, hey, Jordan, you're on record with us. That

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Speaker 1: means we protect you. Nobody could shake you down. We

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Speaker 1: could shake you down. Oh, you're on record with us.

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Speaker 1: For more on how Jack became so trusted in the

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Speaker 1: highest levels of the Gambino organization, check out at episode

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Speaker 1: three ninety two of the Jordan Harbinger Show