1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: There's a war they didn't teach us about in American history, 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: and the spoils of the conflict were unlikely characters. This 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: war wasn't fought over oil or political ideology, but rather muskrats. 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: It's called the Islanios Trappers War, and it took place 5 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty six in South Louisiana. And on this episode, 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: we're setting up the context for the war, why it happened, 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: and meeting the men whose families fought in it. The 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: flavors of South Louisiana will be flying high as we 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: hear from a New Orleans filmmaker, a fur handler, and 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: even the raging Cajun himself, James Carvill. I really doubt 11 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,959 Speaker 1: that you're gonna want to miss this one, And don't forget. 12 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: The Bear Grease feed continues to complexify and get better. 13 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: We now have on this feed Bear Grease, Brins, this 14 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: Country Life Podcast, and Lake Pickles, New Backwoods University. I've 15 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: heard this called the Great Southern Takeover of Meat Eater. Yeah, 16 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: something like that. I hope you enjoyed this episode. 17 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: So powerful people said, well, this is not right that 18 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 2: little people should be making all this money when really 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: it's rich people that really need money, and that's always 20 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: happened in the world, that rich people are going to 21 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 2: take the labor and work of poor people and moneturize 22 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: it and make more money on it. 23 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: That's not new man. 24 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: That didn't start in nineteen twenty, and it ain't ending 25 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, and it's not going to end in 26 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: twenty one fourteen. 27 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: It is the sort of inherent. 28 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: Right of power to acquire powered money, to acquire more 29 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: powered money, and it played out right there in front 30 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: of my very eyes. 31 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: My name is Klay Nukem, and this is the Bear 32 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: Grease Podcast, where we'll explore things forgotten but relevant, search 33 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: for insight and unlikely places, and where we'll tell the 34 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: story of Americans who live their lives close to the land. 35 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: Presented by f HF Gear, American made, purpose built hunting 36 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as 37 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: the places we explore. 38 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 4: Can y'all hear me? 39 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, you can hear yourself? 40 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: Good? 41 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: Do you hear me? 42 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 4: Yeah? 43 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: I don't know where to start on this one. I 44 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: guess we'll just start by introducing our first character, the Muskrats. 45 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 4: Okay, Mushkrat. It's nothing but a small rat. It's a rat. 46 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 4: It's a vegetarian, doesn't eat meat. It's the body on us, 47 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 4: about twelve to sixteen inches long. Usually a big rats 48 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 4: around fourteen inches between two fourteen sixteen inches. I'd say 49 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 4: it's got a triangular tail. They don't have no round 50 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 4: tail like a gut a rat. Your tails are more 51 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 4: of a triangle. It's small in the bottom and it 52 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 4: goes up a little higher and it comes to point 53 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 4: on the top. And the tail is usually about another 54 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 4: twelve fourteen inches long. And they live in a prairie, 55 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 4: a wet prairie. I used to work in the firehouse 56 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 4: my dad, my grandfather bought for us. 57 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: Also, that's the voice of Paul Leguard of Placabon Parish, Louisiana, 58 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: character number two. So there's two sets of characters on 59 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: this episode, the muskrats and the living people. They're one 60 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: set like Paul, and then the folks now deceased who 61 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: were actually involved in the trappers war. Here is character 62 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: number three of the first group. 63 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 5: How's this this good level? Okay, So I'm going to 64 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:22,119 Speaker 5: talk about the movie. Let me turn my phone off. 65 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: Here we go. 66 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 5: My name is David Dubos. I'm a screenwriter, producer, filmmaker 67 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 5: from New Orleans, Louisiana, which is where I currently reside, 68 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 5: mainly because of the movie tax credits that are here 69 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 5: in Louisiana and that are a big draw for Hollywood 70 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 5: movies and even international films to come and film here. 71 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 5: And my main source of income is through screenwriting. I've 72 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 5: got four projects in various stages of development, one of 73 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 5: which is going to be filming this year in later 74 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 5: twenty twenty five called Chainsaw Confidential, which is about the 75 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 5: making of the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre film in the 76 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 5: early seventies. 77 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: Now that's interesting. New Orleans filmmaker David Dubo's also made 78 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: a film about the Trappers War in twenty fifteen called 79 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: Delta Justice Theeslanios Trappers War. He's going to help us 80 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: out a lot. Now here is our fourth living character. 81 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 6: All right, there you go, there you go? 82 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: Oh okay, pull it up, there we go. Can you 83 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: hear me again? Yeah? You comfortable? Oh yeah, okay. 84 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 6: Well, my name is Lloyd Serenade, better known as Wimpy. 85 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 6: And the reason why I got that nickname when I 86 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 6: was a kid and my siblings told them that all 87 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 6: I wanted to do was eat Hamburgers. So I told him, 88 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 6: and Dave would read the comics to me. You know, 89 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 6: never had TV, but anyway, it would read the comics. 90 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 6: And that character Whimpy, I thought he it was hamplers, 91 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 6: you know. So I told him to call me Wimpy 92 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 6: and I would go out and play. And if my 93 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 6: mother would call me by my real name, Laud, I 94 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 6: wouldn't answer. She called me, and I answered. So I 95 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 6: just sto Wimpy all my life, so everybody know when 96 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 6: it is Whimpy. Of course, I was born down in Delacroile, 97 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 6: you know. And y'all wanted to talk about the Trappers Warm, 98 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 6: I'm only gonna tell you. 99 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you what I was telling. 100 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: The connection between Paul, David, Wimpy and the Muskrats is 101 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: that they all had family involved in the Trappers War. 102 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,119 Speaker 1: So now we're going to go to the second cast 103 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: of characters from the actual nineteen twenty sixth war. On 104 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: one side was a judge named Leander Perez. Some called 105 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: him a dictator. He was in Placamon in Saint Bernard 106 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: Parish in Louisiana, just south of New Orleans. The other 107 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: side of the war was the Islanios, people of Delacroix Island, 108 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: who had trapped there for almost one hundred and fifty years, 109 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: and their main man advocate was named Manuel Malaro. But 110 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: the ironic part is that Leander Perez, the parish bad boy, 111 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: was in Islanios too. 112 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 5: So Leander Perez was a highly educated Islanios and he 113 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 5: saw a way to usurp the land from the Islanios. 114 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 5: He would have his cousins and you know, buy up 115 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 5: the land and then turn around and lease it back 116 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 5: to the Islanios, but then start charging them more and 117 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 5: more money, and eventually got to the point to where 118 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 5: they couldn't afford it. And they said, yeah, Perez is 119 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 5: coming in and finagling and you know, shaking hand with 120 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 5: the Islanios and then stabbing them in the back and 121 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 5: with his other hand. And his idea was to monopolize 122 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 5: the industry and make the money for himself and pay 123 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 5: them pennies on the dollar kind of thing. So the Islanios, 124 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 5: they were very poor but hardworking people, and to them 125 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 5: a dollar fifty two dollars a pelt for a muskrat 126 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 5: was a lot of money. They could go out and 127 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 5: trap and make and bring in anywhere from fifty to 128 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 5: two hundred muskrat a day. So they were making plenty money. Well, eventually, 129 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 5: when you start making a lot of money, it calls 130 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 5: attention to itself. And so Leander Perez, who was then 131 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 5: the district attorney in Blackman's Parish, but he was also 132 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 5: in Islanios, and he looked at the situation and he 133 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 5: decided he wanted a piece of that. 134 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: The antagonist, Leander Perez, wanted to take over the muskrat 135 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: fur trade by controlling the trapping leases and jacking up 136 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: the prices. History would remember Perez for his stances on segregation. 137 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: Many said he was a high octane bigot, but he 138 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: was also loved by a lot of people. We're about 139 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: to hear from James Carvill, the Louisiana political advisor who 140 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: rose to national prominence in the Clinton era. Yep, James Carvill. 141 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: This clip was used by permission from David's Delta Justice movie. 142 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: Carvill is talking about Leander Perez. 143 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: I've heard that be said that there's some good in everybody, 144 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: and I'm sure there was some in him. To my knowledge, 145 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: it never manifested itself. 146 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 3: In any way. 147 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: Not surprisingly given my sort of political persuasion, I think 148 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: he's one of the most odious people in the history 149 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: of the state. 150 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: Now saying a right, Perez was a real stinker. Later 151 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: we'll get into some bizarre detail on the man, but 152 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: for now, you just need to know the general architecture 153 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: of this story. The trappers started making money, and people 154 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: from the outside moved in and wanted a big piece 155 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: of the pie. Here's Carville with all you need to know. 156 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: So powerful people said, well, this is not right that 157 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: little people should be making all this money, when really 158 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: it's rich people that really need money. And that's always 159 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: happened in the world, that rich people are going to 160 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: take the labor and work of poor people and moneturize 161 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: it and make more money on it. 162 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 3: That's not new man. 163 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 2: That didn't start in nineteen twenty, and it ain't ending 164 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, and it's not going to end in 165 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: twenty one fourteen. 166 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 3: It is to sort of inherent. 167 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: Right of power to acquire power and money, to acquire 168 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: more power and money. 169 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 3: And it played out right down in front of my 170 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: very eyes. 171 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: You nor I expected to hear James Carvill on Bear grease. 172 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: But what we really need to remember is that Manuel 173 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: Malaro is our protetagonist. He represented the right to the 174 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: trappers in a head to head legal battle with Leander 175 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: Perez over the land. Here is how the war started, 176 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: but well how. 177 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 5: The war started. It was a one day war. Perez 178 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 5: got a crooked judge to give him overturned the appeal 179 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 5: that Manuel had won, and he tried to Now, of 180 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 5: course you have to enforce that. It's just a piece 181 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 5: of paper. So when he went back to the Islanians 182 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 5: and said, hey, get off my land, they just said, 183 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 5: you know, screw you. And that's when Perez turned around 184 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 5: and hired a bunch of mercenaries from Texas to come in, 185 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 5: get a boat, get a Gatlan gun on it, and 186 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 5: go down to buy you Whether Islanis said. His attention 187 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 5: was to murder them, but the Islanians got wind of it, 188 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 5: and so they were ready for them and kind of 189 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 5: ambush them. And that's the one day war, which was 190 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 5: referred to. As you know they talk about street justice 191 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 5: or courtroom justice. This was delta justice. This was by 192 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 5: you justice, old school, old fashioned, you know, Hatfield's McCoy's 193 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 5: kind of you know, between the Islanios and Perez. Many 194 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 5: of the Islanios, I would say, they are proud of 195 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 5: the fact that they stood up for themselves against what 196 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 5: they felt was the tyranny of the local government, who 197 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 5: was just Perez and his ilk were mainly interested in 198 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 5: the money to be made from the muskrat trapping, which 199 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 5: would turned into fur coats up north and sold. And 200 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 5: there was a lot of money. I mean, it was 201 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 5: maybe a couple of dollars per pelt, which now is nothing, 202 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 5: but back then was a lot of money. I think 203 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 5: in the film we convert the money that they would 204 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 5: have made on Africa per trapper to you know, and 205 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 5: it was close to like one hundred thousand dollars. There's 206 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 5: a lot of money for trapping. The film is ten 207 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 5: years old now. 208 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: I asked Wimpy Sarenay how valuable furs were to these people. 209 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 6: I'm upon it this week. I remember they were what 210 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 6: they what they call dollar around, no other words, dollar 211 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 6: for each far And my dad needs to catch you 212 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 6: by the hundred rounds a day, a. 213 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 5: Lot of money. 214 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 6: So for how many months of the year could he 215 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 6: do that? From December till March. Well, I'm gonna put 216 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 6: it this way. When you first went, you know, you 217 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 6: caught a lot of rap, but towards the end of 218 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 6: the season, you you finishing up. See the way they trapped. 219 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 6: Let's see it. You had a squapys of land, so 220 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 6: you would trap what they call him. You'd put your 221 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 6: traps all around the land, all around the outside of 222 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 6: your land, your boundary lines, okay, And as the season 223 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 6: goes by, you keep closing that that circling in and 224 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 6: you keep closing it in, so you're catching the rat. 225 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 6: And at the end of the season, you got them 226 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 6: in one little spot, so you would get right I 227 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 6: was left, you know. 228 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 5: So the Islanios were very they're very prideful people. I mean. 229 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 5: And these some of these people in Saint Bernard Parish 230 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 5: and the lower end of it where Dela Crowe Island 231 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 5: is and where the original descendants lived, there's only five 232 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 5: families left there. And it's so between Hurricane Betsy and 233 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 5: nineteen sixty five, and of course Katrina years later, forty 234 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 5: years later, just kind of wipe out Delacroue Island. But 235 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 5: that was once a very fertile place for fishing, hunting, trapping, 236 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 5: and that's what people did. They lived off the land. 237 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 5: My grandfather on my mother's side, that's what he did. 238 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 5: He lived off the land and that's how he fed 239 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 5: his family. But I would say that the majority of 240 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 5: Islanios had heard the story of the trappers ord because 241 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 5: it was passed down generation to generation oral histories basically, 242 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 5: and they looked at it as an unfortunate thing that happened. 243 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 5: But they had to defend themselves against the Perez people 244 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 5: and his group, especially when he hired mercenaries from Texas 245 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 5: to come over and murder them. They just felt, Okay, well, 246 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 5: that's the last straw. But they were lucky that they 247 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 5: had Manuel Malero, who was an educated in Islanios who 248 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 5: knew that they were being taken advantage of. 249 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: We're learning little bits of this story as we build 250 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: the context of the value of trapping bad Boy. Perez 251 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: would end up hiring mercenaries to kill the Islanios trappers, 252 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: but we'll get to that. But to understand any story, 253 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: you've got to understand the historical context of the Roaring twenties. 254 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 5: So if you can picture America in the nineteen twenties, 255 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:25,359 Speaker 5: this was a high time for the coastal cities. Hollywood 256 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 5: was just getting started and was thriving with silent films, 257 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 5: and New York was like the talk of the nation. 258 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 5: Everything new and innovative was going on. It started in 259 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 5: New York and slowly made its way around the country, 260 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 5: and fur coats became a status symbol for a lot 261 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 5: of rich, wealthy women who lived in New York and 262 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 5: all over the East Coast. So there was this great 263 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 5: demand for furs, and of all the furs that were prized, 264 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 5: muskrat fur was considered the most expensive and the most desired. 265 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 5: And so you can imagine all the great department stores 266 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 5: that sprung up out of New York that were trying 267 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 5: to sell these coats. They had to get them from somewhere. 268 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: Well. 269 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 5: They eventually word got down to South Louisiana, where the 270 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 5: muskrats were thriving throughout the marshes and Bayous. So the 271 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 5: Islanios trappers and the hunters and the fishermen and shrimpers 272 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 5: who made a living off the land, they were contacted 273 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 5: by these outside sources to say, hey, they need these muskrats. 274 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: In nineteen twenty five, prime muskrat furs were going for 275 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: a dollar thirty each. The math adds up if you're 276 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: catching over one hundred per day for the seventy five 277 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: day season, which yields a single trapper making three to 278 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: four thousand dollars per season. It's estimated that Plaqua Mine 279 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: Parish alone sold over a million dollars worth of muskrat 280 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: hides in its peak in the late twenties, and author 281 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: Glenn Jeanson says that Louisiana produced more furs than any 282 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: other states and more muskrats than all the other states 283 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: combined during this period. The territory of Alaska, thirteen times 284 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: larger than Louisiana, sold only one third as much value 285 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: in pelts in nineteen twenty five. Here's Paul, what does 286 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: it Does it feel like? Muskrat fur? 287 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 4: Oh? Well, you know what a mink feels like. You 288 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 4: have rubbed mama, your grandma's mink coat. Well, mink. The 289 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 4: head is smaller and shorter on a mink. On a rat, 290 00:18:55,160 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 4: A good rat. It was a good prime, right. I'd 291 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 4: say that the furs inch and a half long sometime, 292 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 4: and the top of the rat was black. They had 293 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 4: some of the best rats they caught. Was out of Canovn. 294 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 4: That's a little settlement right down the river here, that's 295 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 4: where all lands behind. 296 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 6: It's not like a horse rat. It's bigger than the 297 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 6: house rat. It's about this big, you know, and it 298 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 6: looks like a rat. 299 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 5: It's a rat. 300 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 6: It's a musk rat. And they have two lands of 301 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 6: musk in them. And you know when they would catch 302 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 6: them and scin them, you know, and of course the 303 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 6: Caucasus they were trying to buy you the buzzies and 304 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 6: that would eat it them. They would take the musks 305 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 6: and like my mother, she would she would get the 306 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 6: musk and they'll put them in alcohol in preserva them 307 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 6: and sell them to people who make foray fuel. 308 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: With the muskrat. 309 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 6: I think that's what it is. This toy from gold 310 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 6: mustard probably came from that, you know. I remember the jaws, 311 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 6: you know, full of musk rat must musk in the 312 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 6: jaws because they would put them a s m alcohol 313 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 6: and something in presumab and the wins and that would 314 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 6: that would their money. 315 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 5: You know. 316 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 6: The hair felt very smooth. The top of it was 317 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 6: not black, but very very dark. The bottom was like 318 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 6: the color your shirt gray on the bottom, you know. 319 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 6: And when they when the skin them, the skin from 320 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 6: the back legs, you cut right along with tail and 321 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 6: you turn them inside out and just peel the skin off. 322 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 6: And then you would put it on a rat stretcher 323 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 6: and you put the rat on air and you let 324 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 6: it go. It stretched the you're far out and then 325 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 6: they would create the excess meat off of the bottlement 326 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 6: that far was inside out. Then they would hang them 327 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 6: on what they call uh right hangers, you know, uh 328 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 6: big big hangers with with booge with nails in it, 329 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 6: and they'd just hang them up. You know, we have 330 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 6: pictures of that in the museum down as in. But 331 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 6: then they would they have pictures of God hanging up 332 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 6: muskrat to dry. You put it in the some and 333 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 6: dry and once they dry, and that's when the uh 334 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 6: the deal is what we call you know, would bottom 335 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 6: the fur even even you to sell pieces if if 336 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 6: one of the rants was ate up or something, they 337 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 6: don't just sell the piece or whatever they had was 338 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 6: left because there was I guess it was with a 339 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 6: lot of money they could sell it all well. The 340 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 6: way I understand it was, it was the fashion in 341 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 6: the twenties was for a coach. Even the men used 342 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 6: to wear long fur coach. My mother had a said 343 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 6: she had my dad had muskrat coat fulls lant coat 344 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 6: made out and beautiful. It was so soft one the 345 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 6: time they they tanned it and worked it out and 346 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 6: men then then the colt out of it, you know. 347 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 4: They I used to work in the firehouse, and uh 348 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 4: they bought him for from Simon Yoka, the Jewish Man, 349 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 4: and uh he owned Delta Row Farr. 350 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: So so in your lifetime that fur business was alive 351 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: and well. 352 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 3: In New Orleans. 353 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so you worked How long did you work 354 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: in the firehouse. 355 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 4: Well, I'd go there at the end of the trapping 356 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 4: Caesar and they'd be shipping to New York, and uh, 357 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 4: they'd have all those fires in there. Lord, they had 358 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 4: furst stack from flowing around the walls from the flood 359 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 4: of the seal. 360 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: All muskrat h No. 361 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 4: Everything you had marsh grat, you had mink, she had honors. 362 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 4: You had cools. 363 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: Added the firs down here compare with northern firs. 364 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 4: They got to have you thicker far up there because 365 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 4: of the cool water. But you had cold. We had 366 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 4: cool windows down here. When I was a kid man. 367 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 4: You know, I don't say every morning, but i'd say 368 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 4: quite often. You had icycles hanging off the tin roof. 369 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 4: Like I was telling you, I worked in the firehouse 370 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 4: and they'd taken all as far as would go in 371 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 4: and at the end of the season they had shipped 372 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 4: to New York, and uh, so I'd go in there, 373 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 4: and uh, plenty of them had mildew on them. And 374 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 4: then so they take the otters. Otters got a lot 375 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 4: of fat on them, and you'd scrape them. They had 376 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 4: big boards and they'd scraped that inside hide and get 377 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 4: especially the tail, and you put that it put that 378 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 4: fat in a in a rag. And for ours that 379 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 4: stand there at their tables and wipe them rats, wipe the. 380 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: Mill with the with the otter fat with the fact. 381 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 4: And made it beautiful. They came out beautiful. And uh, 382 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 4: then they'd take them and they'd put them in a press. 383 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 4: They had a press about as water as this table. 384 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 4: And then they did press it down full of muskrats, 385 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 4: full of muskrats. They weighed about four or five hundred 386 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 4: pounds or you couldn't. 387 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: They were shipping them green. Yeah, you ship them green, right, 388 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: shipped them green. Wherever they processed them, they turn them. 389 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 4: They t well, they didn't even process them here. Most 390 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 4: of them went to Europe. You see, they they'd go 391 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 4: to they'd go to New York and then they had 392 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 4: a forest sail up there and they'd sell them to 393 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 4: the people in Europe. My great grandfather was was a 394 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 4: farm and that's what he did. They didn't know nothing 395 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 4: but for him. And when my grandfather got down there, 396 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 4: they you know, they trapping was starting to pick up, 397 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 4: and uh so he uh and know those days, there 398 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 4: wasn't no you owned this piece of land. And now 399 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 4: the guy I owned up it was all open priority. 400 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 4: It was just like wild wesh And uh. When you 401 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 4: know when a story at the beginning of the season, 402 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 4: you went out there and you picked out a spot 403 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 4: and you put your trap on out and people honored 404 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 4: each other's areas. 405 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: You know, any good American story starts with a land squabble, 406 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: which is such a primitive qualm. And deep in our 407 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: DNA is a hidden carnal playbook, and on page one 408 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: of that book it says, look out for your own 409 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: interests and no one else. Territory to the Homo sapien 410 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: is equivalent to food, water, and air, and in this case, 411 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: these god forsaken swamps, encompassing tens of thousands of acres 412 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: in the region had historically been no man's land owned 413 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: by the state, the parishes, and absentee landowners. The islandios 414 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: were easily able to get cheap trapping leases for generations 415 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: until all of a sudden the land had value because 416 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: of muskrats. Most of the people that had historically trapped 417 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 1: these swamps were from Delacroix Island. Here's whimpy. 418 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 6: I grew up at Delacra Island and that was a 419 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 6: big story, you know, since I was a kid, about 420 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 6: the Tramp's War and what happened. The people from delacrow 421 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 6: made a living off the marshland, you know. So there 422 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 6: were a lot of muskrat in them days, you know. 423 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 6: So it was they made their living in the winter 424 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 6: with the muskrat. And so these people were just you know, 425 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 6: they were descendants of the Canary Islands and they settled 426 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 6: down at delacro Island. After the Revolution war, of course, 427 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 6: I was born down in Delacrosse. Uh, the Canary Islanders 428 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 6: moved towards the Delacraland and the Bayoux Arizona. You know, 429 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 6: at Denacrue Island. It was not French. My dad was French. 430 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 6: He spoke French, but the whole. Uh, Delacroix Island spoke Spanish. 431 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 6: You know, I can speak to Spanish that Spanish today 432 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 6: but uh, and it's only about maybe six or seven 433 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 6: of us that that speak it right now from non 434 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 6: Donacrol and then you know in the middle living trap 435 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 6: and Muskrat. 436 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: The Islanio's people were Spanish speakers from the Canary Islands, 437 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: southwest of the coast of Spain. Here's Paul paint the 438 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: picture for me of who these Islanio people were. This 439 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: was like a Spanish group of people. 440 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 4: Yet yep, you heard the Canary Islands, all right. They 441 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 4: inhabited the Canary owns, I don't know how far all. 442 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 4: And when Spain owned the Louisiana purchase before before France 443 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 4: sold it. They were brought here back in the seventeen 444 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 4: nineties to to guard that river, to keep the English 445 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 4: and whoever else wanted to come with that river. And 446 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 4: and uh and Colin, I's take it away from you know, 447 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 4: Spain had it and that's what their their purpose was. 448 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 4: And they were they were. They were not only brought there, 449 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 4: they were brought to Galveston and a couple other spots 450 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 4: where they were. 451 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: So now is was this your family is this? Is 452 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: this part of the family. 453 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 4: A lot of my found my my my grandmother's side, 454 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 4: on my daddy's side was Arcelonia. 455 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: The Islanios settled on Delacroix Island. But is it really 456 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: an island? Described to me why it's what what bodies 457 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: of water surrounded that make it an island? 458 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 6: Well, yeah, a lot of people. If you ride down there, 459 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 6: you wouldn't think it's an hour. And if you good 460 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 6: on it when you get the dinner crow on, and 461 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 6: if you have lake livery here and buy you literary, 462 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 6: and then you have buy you tarry buff and then 463 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 6: you have buy you gentility here, and then a little 464 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 6: all these links, so it made it an island. So 465 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 6: they called it an island. 466 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: Mmm. 467 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 6: You know. So if you drive down there and you 468 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 6: still on this sign on the road today, you. 469 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: Don't have to cross a bridge to get there? Is 470 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: that what? 471 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 6: You can raise it as one little bridge, you know? 472 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,479 Speaker 6: But it's just a buyo. 473 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: Now that that's settled, let's talk to David. He's the 474 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: filmmaker and some of his family were Islaanios. But the 475 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: story of the Trappers War somehow remained hidden. 476 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 5: I didn't even know about it. This is a classic 477 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 5: case of being a tourist in your own hometown. I 478 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 5: had no idea this even existed. Late aunt, great aunt 479 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 5: Doc Benj Dorothy Benj. She's a direct descendant of Manuel Malaro, 480 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 5: who was a big player during the Trappers War, and 481 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 5: she was very fond of him. And she called me 482 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 5: one day. She knew I was a filmmaker and I 483 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 5: was part of the large family on my mother's side. 484 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 5: My mother was a new Nez. She was Neslanios, which 485 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 5: means they came from the Canary Islands. I didn't know 486 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 5: a thing about it. So she called me dot did 487 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 5: and she said, I want you to do a documentary 488 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 5: on my grandfather, Manuel Malaro. She felt he didn't get 489 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 5: the credit that he deserved. And I always am attracted 490 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 5: to people who don't get there just due. So I 491 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 5: put together the budget schedule, I hired, you know, people, 492 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 5: started putting the whole show together. I called my DP, 493 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 5: Gabe Mayhon, who did a brilliant job on the film. 494 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 5: He came down with his crew and we assembled extras 495 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 5: from the local area and we shot on the land 496 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 5: where the Islaanios had lived. Parts of it. We shot 497 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 5: at the museum. Some of the interviews we did there, 498 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 5: and then we did a lot of the reenactments in 499 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 5: the marsh and in the swamps where they would have 500 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 5: been in the nineteen twenties. This took place in nineteen 501 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 5: twenty six, But my aunt was the one that got 502 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 5: me involved, and once I started researching it, I just felt, 503 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 5: this is such a great story that no one knows about. 504 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: Part of me would like to make a bear grease 505 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: just about David making this film. He's an eccentric, brainy 506 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: guy and knows more about cinema than Dale Brisbee knows 507 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: about going ninety on a buck and bull. But I 508 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: asked David how true his movie stayed to the real story. 509 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 5: My favorite if I made Digress for just a moment. 510 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 5: My favorite anecdote on that is in nineteen sixty two, 511 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,479 Speaker 5: when Lawrence of Arabia hit the a gentleman and British 512 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 5: journalist took one of T. E. Lawrence's colleagues to see 513 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,959 Speaker 5: the movie and when it was over, he said, well, sir, 514 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 5: what did you think of the film? Oh? Most entertaining? 515 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 5: Most entertaining? He said, well, how accurate would you say 516 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 5: it was? And he'd say, well, I'll tell you they 517 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 5: got the sand and the camel's right, and that kind 518 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 5: of leads to this kind of leads into though the 519 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 5: whole trapper's war idea, because you know, Wimpy Serenade was 520 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 5: one of our interview subjects. He told me, he said, 521 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 5: the one thing that gets lost in war is the 522 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 5: truth any war, and he said, you're always going to 523 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 5: have people pointing at each other. You know, they still 524 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 5: don't know who fired the first shot in this war, 525 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 5: and so there's always this ambiguity of who was right, 526 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 5: who was wrong? Can you right or wrong? By being wrong? 527 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: The truth gets lost in war? Ain't that the truth? 528 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: I want to learn about Paul's family. They're trapping in 529 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: their camp. 530 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 4: And you see, we trapped too, and we had a 531 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 4: camp and uh, I spent my winter, well, I spent 532 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 4: all my holidays with them, and uh get off for 533 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 4: Christmas holidays and all and uh they would be at 534 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 4: the camp trap and I'd go back there with them 535 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 4: and sit around that table at night and they tell stories. 536 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 4: Sometimes I don't like to talk about it, but yeah, 537 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 4: they'd dose stories. And you know, your surrounding them was 538 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 4: a kid listening and uh, That's why I picked up 539 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 4: as much as I know about it. 540 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: Was there somebody in your family that was that was 541 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: there trapping that was. 542 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, my grandfather was there when it all went down. 543 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 4: My grandfather was Paula Gord my dadd who was junior. 544 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 4: I'm the third and uh my, my my son is 545 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 4: the fourth, and his son is the fifth and uh 546 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 4: and the boy said he's going to name his boy too. Yeah. Yeah, 547 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 4: but uh, I tell you what really were really started 548 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 4: it off. He was working at the at the slaughter 549 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 4: house they called the Avatar. They had a big stainless 550 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 4: steel troughs that ran through there, and they take their 551 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 4: intestines and they turned those intestines inside out and they 552 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 4: washed them to make sausages. But they put the sausage 553 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 4: in in them days. They didn't have all that synthetic 554 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 4: stuff they got today. And uh, all the guys that 555 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 4: were working that to be leaning up against their trough 556 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 4: all day, they were all getting intestinal flew and dying. 557 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 4: So my grandfather got it and uh, my great grandfather 558 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 4: told me, he said, paul you're gonna die. He said, 559 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 4: you're gonna die. He said, why don't you just quit? 560 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 4: He said, And come and form with me. He said. 561 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 4: We ain't gonna make much money. He said, but you 562 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 4: might get well and left. He was he was well 563 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 4: and very sick. So he did. And uh so he 564 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 4: went down there and started forming with the old man, 565 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 4: and the trapping started getting better and better, and people 566 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 4: were starting They were starting to ship for us overseas. 567 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 5: Well. 568 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 4: They always did ship them overseas, but they, like I said, 569 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 4: we got better. There was money in it. Like I said, 570 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 4: he started trapping, and plenty of him down there told 571 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 4: him they laughed at my grandpa, and they told him, 572 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 4: you think you're gonna make a trapper. Grandpa told me, sad, 573 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it. I do my best. And they 574 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 4: wouldn't show him nothing. And uh, he said, I used 575 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 4: to go out there and sit that in the evening time, 576 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,479 Speaker 4: watched them animals move, because they'd come out in the evening, 577 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 4: some of them, you know, and watch them move, how 578 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 4: they moved, where they ate at, where they where they 579 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 4: messed at. And he, uh, I'll tell you what. When 580 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 4: he died, ain't none of them could keep up with him. 581 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 3: He was. 582 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 4: He was. He trapped way until he after he was 583 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 4: seventy five years old, and he didn't walk the prairie, 584 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 4: ran it and uh fast fast, and he'd run from 585 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 4: one trap to the next. And he taught me how 586 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 4: to trap. When I trapped too, when I came back 587 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 4: from Vietnam, I trapped. 588 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: Muskrats meant a lot to these people. Wimpy is eighty 589 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: four years old. He was born in nineteen forty one, 590 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: fifteen years after the war, but he grew up going 591 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: to the family's trapping camp, which they still own today. 592 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,399 Speaker 1: Paul's family still owns all that land today too. We're 593 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: building the context to understand why people were willing to 594 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: murder over muskrats. Wimpy also grew up in the Alanios 595 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,479 Speaker 1: trapping camps. Do you remember going on the trap line 596 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: with your dad? 597 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 6: No, I was too small, you know, I was a kid, 598 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 6: But I remember what they'd done because my brother's in 599 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 6: all used to trap, and us kids would take the 600 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,439 Speaker 6: few trapped and put them behind the camp or something, 601 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 6: catch a couple of the muskrats. I was very young. 602 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: I was nothing with a kid, you know. Were those 603 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: fond memories or was it just work. 604 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 4: To me? 605 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 6: It was? It was great, It was really Nye was great. 606 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: Was your mother there, your whole your whole family would 607 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: go to the traffic camp. 608 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 5: Right. 609 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 1: Was it a like a something celebrated or was it 610 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: something that people just had to do? So it was 611 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: just like work, right? 612 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 6: They was like what for that? 613 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 2: You know? 614 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 6: The older one was like my brother trap and my 615 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 6: two oldest brothers they trapped with my dad. 616 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: But did they I guess what I'm trying to understand 617 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: is did they like today, if I had a camp 618 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: and I went out there trapping, it would be it 619 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,959 Speaker 1: would be like this extra thing. It's recreational. 620 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 6: There wasn't. 621 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: This was not right. 622 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 6: No one that was your home in the winter. 623 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: I mean, they would have been doing something else if 624 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: they could have made money. 625 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 6: Doing something else, probably so, But that's that one. The 626 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 6: way they middle living and the winter was trapping. Spring 627 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 6: was fishing crabs, and then you had the troll season 628 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 6: and they made uh, they're living catching shrimp fish, you know, 629 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 6: with big shams and all that. Then when it was 630 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 6: it was legal then you know, and they would There 631 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 6: was some family that would fish for they catch fishing 632 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 6: which and some of them trill. My dad was a trawler. 633 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 6: He was shrimping. Matter of fact, he was one of 634 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 6: the best ones, not because he was my dad, but 635 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 6: he didn't catch shrimp when y'all grew up on a 636 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 6: cleaning shrimp and you know, on the shrimp boat with 637 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 6: my dad and a song. Well, no, I used to 638 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 6: enjoy it because there was so much wildlife, you know, 639 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 6: ducks and man you go right off the camp and 640 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 6: kill the dog and you eat it, you know, things 641 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 6: like that. You just lived off that land. And what 642 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 6: I used to enjoy when I was a little kid 643 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 6: was the blackbird, the red winged blackbird. And of course 644 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 6: we all spoke Spanish, it wasn't English, you know, when 645 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 6: I was a little kid, and they had this this 646 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 6: fellow called Adam Millery, and he used to come when 647 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 6: out when I was old enough, when I was out there, 648 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 6: and he used to come out with the boat and 649 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 6: buy the muskrat, you know because they would hang it 650 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 6: up on the hangers and dry it and all that 651 00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 6: kind of stuff. Well he uh worked for Delapa Corporation, 652 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 6: and they would buy all the the far far from me, 653 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 6: and he would come and ingrid the far and all that. 654 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 6: I remember, all that kind of stuff, and and he 655 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 6: would buy the far and I used to like them, uh, 656 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 6: little red winged black words and uh and they was 657 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 6: always singing, you know. And I told mister Anam and 658 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,879 Speaker 6: he gotta he called me that ever since anyway, he said, 659 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 6: And I told him, say, you know, mister Anam put 660 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 6: them little birds of singing And he said, what is that? 661 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: Whimpey. I said, they're saying. 662 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 6: Panfrio, panfrio, we called French toast. We call that panfreo 663 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 6: in Spanish. And I said, they want panfreeo. They're saying panfree. Yeah, 664 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 6: isn't they would go like Toledo, Toledo like this? I said, 665 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 6: they want panfril. You know, it was that I wanted, 666 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 6: I guess. I said, they're saying they want panfree. You 667 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 6: know what he left me. He got a kick out 668 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 6: of that, and the rest of my life whenever I 669 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 6: was saying, he me fun for us. It was just 670 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 6: a joy to be out there. 671 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 4: You know. 672 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: I think we're starting to get a glimpse into the 673 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: culture of the trapping camps. It seems like an idyllic place, 674 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: but the work was long, hard, and the conditions primitive. 675 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: But all this would come under literal gunfire in nineteen 676 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: twenty six. In this episode, we've built the context that 677 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: shows the value of these Muskrats to these Islanios people. 678 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: In the next episode will get into the actual details 679 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: of the war, including machine guns and murder, and we're 680 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: gonna explore more into Leander Perez's life. We'll close with 681 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,720 Speaker 1: a final thought about this story from James Carvill, taken 682 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 1: right out of the movie Dealt the Justice, which will 683 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,280 Speaker 1: lead us into our next episode. 684 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 2: This is the oldest, most predictive movie in the world 685 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 2: that has the shame beginning, the shame middle, and the 686 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 2: same end every time. 687 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 3: It don't change. 688 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 2: And you could look at the history of the modern 689 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 2: world through these land people of Saint Benard Parish and 690 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 2: it would be It would be right now. 691 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for listening to Bear Grease. 692 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 1: Please share a podcast with a friend this week look 693 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: out for Lake Pickles, Backwards, University Brints, this country life podcast, 694 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: and truly thank you for listening to these stories. Keep 695 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: the wild places wild because that's where the bears live. 696 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: You know, they're trying to sell a bunch of our 697 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: public lands. We all need to take action because that's 698 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: where the bears live.